Time Nick Message 00:09 dcook Interesting campaign in NSW to stop smoking...the idea is that loved ones also pledge to quit something if you quit smoking 00:10 dcook I don't smoke but giving up vanilla coke and chocolate...perhaps I see where they're coming from... 00:14 mtj i'll give up anchovies and sardines 00:14 dcook This -> http://www.canlii.ca/en/blog/index.php?%2Farchives%2F87-Request-for-Proposal-RFP-CanLII-Community-website.html 00:15 dcook Unfortunately, Canlii is still not an "official" source of the law, so you can't use anything you find in court (if I recall correctly), but it is a rather wonderful site for finding out the law (and then you go to the authoritative source which is identical anyway) 00:16 dcook Rather neat idea to provide a community forum for legal experts. Again, it wouldn't be "official" or legal legal advice, but...definitely would help people out 00:16 dcook Open source the law! 00:20 dcook mtj: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :p 00:21 mtj dcook, yep… very sarcastic! 00:21 dcook Hmm, I thought that might be the case 00:21 dcook Some people love their fish though? 00:24 mtj ive always been squeamish about seafood, since i was a kid... :) 00:25 mtj but insects and spiders… yum! 00:27 dcook Spiders? I never thought of that 00:27 dcook Despite that whole eating spiders in your sleep thing 00:27 dcook Personally, I'd like to try out snake 00:35 mtj i remember as a kid, seeing nat-geo pics of people roasting huge hairy spiders wrapped in a big leaf, over a fire 00:41 mtj …a remote bush tribe, somewhere in papua new guinea, i think 00:42 dcook Hmm, I suppose you cook it then crack it open? 00:44 dcook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Assistive_Limb 00:44 dcook "What are you doing, Dave?" 02:28 gmcharlt @quote random 02:28 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010) 02:43 dcook hehe 02:44 wizzyrea @quote random 02:44 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009) 02:44 wizzyrea @quote random 02:44 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009) 02:44 wizzyrea @quote random 02:44 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #223: "kf: ... which has opportunities for great power and wizardry as well as grande disaster." (added by druthb at 02:06 PM, December 12, 2012) 03:06 mtj gmcharlt, still about? 03:07 gmcharlt mtj: yep 03:07 wizzyrea @quote random 03:07 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #203: "francharb: oh god… it's complicated" (added by wizzyrea at 03:48 PM, May 08, 2012) 03:08 mtj gmcharlt, how do the #evergreen peeps track marc21 updates? 03:09 gmcharlt mtj: effectively, wait until there is a sufficient dull roar of complaints that the tag list is too out of date :/ 03:09 eythian ah, same as the Koha method then 03:09 gmcharlt pretty much 03:10 mtj lol, ok… i just thought i'd ask, in case EG had a better method 03:11 gmcharlt sure :) 03:11 mtj im curious whether anyone has a machine readable version of the spec… yet 03:11 mtj …other than scraping the loc website 03:12 dcook mtj: I've been wondering about this too 03:12 dcook Might not be a bad idea to ask bkriegel 03:12 gmcharlt I'm not aware of anything better than that 03:12 gmcharlt sort of things where ultimately best thing would be for LC to do it 03:12 dcook As he's been updating the authority frameworks, and I would love to know what he's used as his source of information. It might just be the LoC site, but.. 03:12 mtj i'm thinking it might be worth asking the Q, on the code4lib list 03:13 gmcharlt dcook: well, short of whatever LC uses internally, it's not going to get more authoritative than the LC website 03:13 dcook gmcharlt: Right, but it would be a royal pain to go through every entry 03:13 dcook I just wonder if there are update digests where a person can see incrementally how the spec has changed over time 03:13 mtj dcook, there are, sort of…. 03:13 gmcharlt the way back machine? 03:14 dcook mtj: Oh? 03:14 dcook gmcharlt: That sounds horrible 03:14 gmcharlt to be fair, the LC website does include some change log info on the pages themseves 03:14 dcook That bit at the bottom? 03:14 gmcharlt yep 03:14 dcook Yeah, that is pretty handy 03:15 eythian I'm surprised the MARC21 spec isn't published as XML that we can use to make framewords straight from 03:16 gmcharlt eythian: your sense of optimism reflected in that statement is refreshing :) 03:16 eythian they publish everything else in XML 03:16 eythian like the language codes that MARC uses 03:17 mtj dcook, actually - i might be wrong there :/ 03:17 * gmcharlt suspects that there have been over _2 decades_ worth of ILS vendors and projects asking LC to put the tag, subfield, and value lists in a structured format 03:18 gmcharlt language codes and the like being available as XML is (relatively) recent 03:19 dcook Where are the language code, etc. XML? 03:19 mtj dcook, aah, here we go! -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 03:19 eythian they're linked from whereever the marc spec explains the need for them 03:20 mtj … i think thats about as good as it gets 03:20 eythian http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/ <-- dcook 03:20 dcook mtj: Ahhhh! That's totally what I was talking about. 03:20 dcook Neato 03:20 eythian http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html <-- from here 03:21 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html 03:21 dcook And that's a plain text version of what we'd like 03:21 dcook Mmm, ish 03:21 dcook "This document lists all valid and obsolete data elements that may appear in MARC 21 bibliographic records. It is intended to meet the need for a simple data element list to support MARC system development and online validation of MARC data elements. This listing does not include any descriptions or examples of MARC data elements. Descriptions and examples can be found in the MARC 21 Format for Bibliographic Data." 03:24 dcook I suppose someone could write a processor for this plain text...but that's rather suboptimal 03:26 mtj koha's framework was created around nov 2007, so a safe assumption is that koha's marc21 version is 'Update No. 8 (October 2007)' 03:27 mtj and the current marc21 spec is 'Update No. 16 (April 2013)' 03:32 dcook http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/mrcbxmlfile.dtd 03:33 dcook Looks like that file is only good up to...2008 03:36 dcook marc? 03:36 wahanui hmmm... marc is the standard that isn't 03:36 dcook marc? 03:36 wahanui The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. 03:36 dcook marc? 03:36 wahanui marc is the standard that isn't 03:36 dcook Hmm, where's wizzyrea when you need her.. 03:36 mtj hmm, that marcxml page looks promising tho 03:37 * dcook shrugs 03:37 dcook It hasn't been updated in 5 years 03:37 wizzyrea wot? 03:37 wahanui wot is d diff btw Staff client interface and OPAC 03:37 dcook wizzyrea: marc...death...stuff 03:37 cjh oh god. 03:37 wizzyrea oh 03:38 cjh use more marc? 03:38 cjh more marc? 03:38 wizzyrea CAN'T TALK I'M GETTING PULLED OVER 03:38 wizzyrea we should use more marc 03:38 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 03:38 dcook O_o 03:38 wizzyrea j/k, I'm not really getting pulled over. 03:38 cjh there wer are, ty 03:38 cjh wer... close enough. 03:39 trea <saidnooneever>we should use more marc</saidnooneever> 03:40 dcook Maybe it's my lack of familiarity with MODS, but those schemas look quite nice...http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/mods-schemas.html 03:41 rangi mods is a zillion times more sane 03:41 rangi never really caught on tho 03:43 wizzyrea I love those said no one ever memes. 03:43 trea use more marc is <reply> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3unp1l/ 03:43 trea wahanui use more marc is <reply> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3unp1l/ 03:43 wahanui i already had it that way, trea. 03:43 rangi https://twitter.com/mjgiarlo/status/340305423972331520 03:44 wizzyrea ^.^ 03:44 wizzyrea it's the twenteens version of "not" 03:44 trea i just wait till the memes have fallen out of favor, then start using them. it's completely deliberate. 03:45 wizzyrea you're and anti-hipster. 03:45 rangi :) 03:45 wizzyrea an* even 03:45 trea i was a hipster before it was cool 03:45 eythian trea: so, the .eLM software uses the marc structure to store all its data, such as borrowers. 03:45 rangi all your base are belong to memes 03:45 trea ^ 03:45 eythian I think it's a case of when all you have is marc, everything looks like a catalogue record. 03:46 trea sounds about right 03:48 eythian gmcharlt: it's improper that you should make me fix things to close to beer o'clock 03:49 trea if eythian gets too much blood in his beer stream, disaster will ensue. 03:49 eythian there will be problems 03:49 dcook eythian++ 03:49 wizzyrea I drink your milkshake? 03:50 dcook @quote add eythian: I think it's a case of when all you have is marc, everything looks like a catalogue record. 03:50 huginn` dcook: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 03:50 gmcharlt eythian: oh dear, I didn't realize that being RM now came with such powers of insistence 03:50 dcook Murrrr 03:50 dcook Not cool huginn 03:51 * gmcharlt avoids temptation to set *all* bugs to patch does not apply ;) 03:51 gmcharlt seriously, it can, of course, wait 03:52 mtj afaict, this is about the best marc21 spec, loc have -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html 03:52 eythian no, then it'll just sit there and fester 03:52 eythian also, I want to get this patch in 03:53 eythian gmcharlt: the conflict is in the perldoc :) 03:53 eythian easy fix 03:54 gmcharlt figured as much 03:55 gmcharlt mtj: yeah, that looks as good as it gets -- and actually, wouldn't be hard at all to write a parser for that 03:55 mtj yeah, i think so too 03:57 mtj the goofy thing is.. loc could easily dump that info in a much more user-friendly format, but frustratingly dont?! :/ 03:58 gmcharlt eh, that's pretty friendly 03:59 gmcharlt (i.e., I will happily take that ;) ) 03:59 mtj anyhoo, i'm really very happy to find that info - so not complaining here 04:08 mtj …and thanks heeps for the link eythian++ :D 04:08 eythian plenty more where that came from, I have a whole internet worth of links! 04:08 eythian though, most of them are pretty rubbish if I'm being honest. 04:17 dcook [off] I'm going to be glad to be done this current project so I can go back to working on Koha... 04:25 mtj ^^ ohh, that link was actually from dcook++ 04:33 tweetbot [off] twitter: @Tredok: "Ce matin, combo hit x3 : intro veille, outils acquéreurs (Zotero, LibX et MarcEdit), puis rappels sur le module acquisition #KohaILS" 06:46 reiveune hello 07:04 talljoy must be morning at biblibre! bonjour! 07:11 samueld hi everybody 07:13 asaurat hi 07:29 gaetan_B hello 09:15 drojf hi #koha 09:16 rangi hi drojf 09:16 cait hi drojf 09:16 drojf hi rangi and cait 09:17 cait and bye guess i should entertain my guests - one has started to wash yesterdays dishes 10:13 vfernandes hi :) 10:15 vfernandes one question people : migration from 3.0.6 to 3.12 is trivial (besides on update of items of 3.4)?? 12:29 tcohen morning #koha 12:29 oleonard Hi tcohen, #koha 12:37 druthb o/ 12:37 tcohen speedy-druthb 12:38 druthb not this morning, I'm not. 12:41 tcohen sorry, I don't belive you 12:42 druthb :P 13:02 * druthb updates her accomplishments list—today is my 80-day evaluation at cPanel! 13:02 oleonard Clear some space for the gold stars druthb 13:03 druthb Bah. It's still woefully short, by my thinkin'. But I managed to hit my stride on a couple of things, so I'm finally starting to feel productive. 13:18 druthb "Ladies and gentlemen, the performance will continue in ten minutes' time, when the role of druthb will be performed by Grumpy Cat." 13:42 oleonard Joubu: I don't understand what's going on with Bug 8662. I can use git bz to apply the patch on a fresh branch and it works with no problem. 13:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons 13:48 tcohen heh http://sna.gy/RIBL8.jpg 13:48 tcohen http://snag.gy/RIBL8.jpg 13:50 tcohen typed wrong twice :-D 13:50 tcohen http://snag.gy/RlBL8.jpg 14:08 Joubu oleonard: hum, weird. I just try again now and I get the same error. I asked to jajm and he got it too. 14:09 * oleonard grumbles 14:13 jcamins oleonard: did you do a rebase after applying? 14:13 jcamins (and then a reupload) 14:14 jcamins Your repo is probably the only one with the needed deltas. 14:16 oleonard jcamins: I created a new branch based on master and used git-bz to apply the patch. It applied with not problem. Rebasing works. 14:18 jcamins oleonard: right, but did you reupload the patch? 14:19 jcamins (after running `git rebase origin/master`) 14:26 oleonard I guess I didn't rebase before re-uploading yesterday 14:27 gmcharlt @quote random 14:27 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to the farmers market and bought lots of almonds which I had to eat on the plane, cos can't bringthem into nz, so I was offering ppl nuts on the plane. cait: makes sense rangi: if its sensible for a crazy nzer to be waving almonds in ur face at 3am, then yes" (added by wizzyrea at 08:03 PM, July 28, 2011) 14:27 druthb @quote random 14:27 huginn` druthb: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010) 14:28 * oleonard tries again 14:29 jcamins oleonard: bug 8662? 14:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons 14:29 jcamins The latest patch works for me. 14:29 * oleonard crosses his fingers 14:30 adam_m Hello, does anyone know of a way to bulk upload suers 14:30 adam_m users* 14:31 gmcharlt adam_m: I prefer to keep the suers out ;) seriously, there's a patron import tool available on the Tools page 14:32 gmcharlt it takes a CSV file as input 14:33 adam_m gmcharlt: thanks 14:33 jcamins paul_p: There's a book here on Les Poulains de Corinthe. :D 14:33 paul_p jcamins = in french = "poulain" = "young horse" 14:34 jcamins paul_p: I prefer to imagine that you are descended from an important Corinthian dynasty. :) 14:38 adam_m gmcharlt: alright, so how does one go about creating a CSV file with profiles 14:38 gmcharlt adam_m: what's your starting point for the patron data? 14:38 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10326: bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't restore value of CataloguingLog syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d0284096708a65954c7e35a093cfdb727a6bb84> 14:40 adam_m gmcharlt: I've set everything up and added a few profiles already, I just want to see if i can add a bunch of profiles all at once rather than having to go through everything one at a time, even though I know ill need to set up passwords for everything later 14:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #1211 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:41 gmcharlt what do you mean by profiles? patron categories? staff users? staff user permissions? 14:41 jcamins adam_m: but where is the data coming from? 14:42 adam_m gmcharlt: i mean importing a batch of patrons for a category I've already created. 14:42 gmcharlt ah, OK 14:42 gmcharlt so the first line of the CSV file should be a header listing the fields you want to populate for the patrons you're loading 14:42 gmcharlt so let's say you make the patron category the first column (order doesn't) matter 14:43 gmcharlt first line wwould start with "categorycode" 14:43 gmcharlt subseqent lines (containing the patron records) would start with the code of the patron category you wanted assigned to each patron 14:43 gmcharlt alternatively... 14:44 gmcharlt the patron import tool lets you (from its form) set default values for fields you don't include in teh CSV 14:44 gmcharlt so if your file contains patrons that all go to the same category, you can set the default there 14:46 adam_m gmcharlt: haha, ok well I'm not sure how to start with this. First I need to know how to actually create a CSV file, can I just do that with gedit or something. 14:46 gmcharlt one easy way to do it is to enter the data into a spreadsheet 14:47 gmcharlt then "export" or "save as" CSV 14:47 adam_m ok 14:49 adam_m gmcharlt: alright so i opened up libreoffice, so in the first cell i have the categorycode, so for each profile im creating under that i need to list what exactly? would it just be the name i had used for the profile category? 14:49 gmcharlt the category code 14:51 adam_m right ok, so in my case ill just use STUDENT or STAFF 14:52 gmcharlt yep, sounds right 14:52 adam_m gmcharlt: as for the other information, I'll need to enter the user name and other data like that, is there a list of headers somewhere 14:53 gmcharlt yes -- if you go to the patron import tool, it includes a list of headers on its first screen 14:53 adam_m gmcharlt: also does this allow me to assign some sort of default password this way 14:53 jcamins Or, of course, you could fix whatever underlying bug you're encountering, which is what I usually do when I encounter a bug. 14:53 jcamins talljoy: ^^ whoops, wrong window 14:53 gmcharlt adam_m: yes, you can 14:53 * gmcharlt makes sure jcamins encounters ALL THE BUGS 14:54 adam_m gmcharlt: excellent, you guys are awesome 14:54 jcamins gmcharlt: the trick is to make me encounter the bugs while working as opposed to while faffing around. 15:03 pianohacker good morning 15:04 oleonard Hi pianohacker 15:10 pianohacker hey oleonard 15:10 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 15:24 reiveune bye 15:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1211: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1211/ 15:53 jenkins_koha Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10326: bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't restore value of CataloguingLog syspref 15:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10326 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , bulkmarcimport.pl turns off CataloguingLog sys pref 16:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10350 - Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd9d643705b5bb0134ee229a076130a966be23bd> 16:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #1212 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 1 day 0 hr ago) 16:43 chris_n khall++ #Rolling Hard Due Dates 16:52 druthb http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/50800607139/how-an-svn-user-sees-git-workflow 16:54 druthb oleonard: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49667540079/trying-to-fix-someone-elses-css 16:54 oleonard :D 16:55 druthb That tumblr is full of good ones. 16:59 pianohacker I could watch that git gif all day, that's mesmerizing 17:00 druthb yes. There's an even better one, a few pages in, "Initial Git Training." 17:00 * oleonard digs the Heathers quote: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/50331609882/after-6-hours-at-the-data-center 17:00 * oleonard retitles, "After delving into Search.pm" 17:01 druthb talljoy: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49078186169/go-live-day 17:02 talljoy HAHAHA! that describes my day today!!! 17:05 pianohacker oh god, so true. that gif is best with "Sail" though 17:12 * tcohen is thinking what is the benefit of using packaged javascript libraries instead of those shipped with koha in .deb packages 17:17 pianohacker oleonard: This is probably the best though: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49501668537/testing-interface-on-internet-explorer 17:18 druthb pianohacker++ 17:18 druthb ie-- 17:18 pianohacker ie-- 17:18 pianohacker old ie mostly, but the new one could turn on us at any moment 17:19 * gmcharlt would appreciate comments on bug 10385 17:19 jcamins tcohen: consistency. 17:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , item-level_itype checks need to be refactored 17:19 wahanui i think consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. 17:21 gmcharlt wahanui: consistency is the hobgoblin of programmer's minds 17:21 wahanui ...but consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.... 17:21 gmcharlt consistency? 17:21 wahanui consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. 17:22 jcamins wahanui: no, consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. 17:22 wahanui ...but consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.... 17:22 jcamins consistency? 17:22 wahanui consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. 17:22 jcamins wahanui: forget consistency 17:22 wahanui jcamins: I forgot consistency 17:22 jcamins wahanui: consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. 17:22 wahanui OK, jcamins. 17:22 pianohacker D: 17:22 jcamins consistency? 17:22 wahanui it has been said that consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. 17:22 pianohacker nooooooo 17:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1212: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1212/ 17:24 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10350 - Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table 17:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10350 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table 17:25 tcohen consistency with what jcamins? 17:25 tcohen will the wheeze version match squeeze's? 17:25 tcohen do they even match the one from the tarball? 17:25 jcamins tcohen: with other Debian packages. 17:29 tcohen as long as there are no API changes between the shiped versions everything is fine 17:30 jcamins Right. 17:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1213 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 1 day 1 hr ago) 17:33 tcohen oleonard: do u know of any important change between YUI 1.8 and 1.9? 17:34 oleonard No idea 17:37 oleonard Why those versions tcohen? 17:38 tcohen those are the versions shipped with squeeze and wheeze respectively 17:38 tcohen versions of libjs-yui I mean 17:39 oleonard Those don't seem to line up with YUI version numbers 17:40 jcamins tcohen: well, Koha includes version 2.8.0r4, and since we know the packages work fine under Squeeze, I think we can probably safely assume there were no changes between 1.8 and 2.8. 17:40 tcohen i wrote it wrong, it was 2.8 and 2.9, sorry 17:45 maximep iirc yui 2.9 fixes tons of stuff for ie9 17:46 maximep should be all fixes 17:46 tcohen this is the changelog http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/wiki/ReadMe/Rollup_2.9.0 17:47 jcamins maximep: so with YUI 2.9 you get a huge message filling your entire window saying "IE SUCKS! USE A REAL BROWSER!"? 17:47 tcohen i raise this issue as we are about to support wheeze if i'm not mistaken 17:48 jcamins You'll just have to try it, I think. 17:49 tcohen i guess i'll ask a Debian-er to do it :-P 17:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:53 tcohen I belive we should ship our own and use that one anyway. we QA against the one we ship 17:53 oleonard Speaking of YUI, time to submit a patch for Bug 9779 17:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove global include of YUI assets from the staff client 17:54 gmcharlt heh 17:54 * oleonard gives basket groups the evil eye 17:54 tcohen heh 17:54 jcamins oleonard++ 17:54 jcamins tcohen: you should ask liw about that. 17:54 tcohen *but* that won't go into 3.12 for now 17:54 tcohen liw? 17:54 wahanui BACKUPS ARE AWESOME! 17:55 gmcharlt :) 17:56 pianohacker jcamins: bahahaha 17:56 pianohacker ... I have no idea why I put jcamins: there. assuming you did something funny 17:57 mtompset tcohen: Debian-ist. :P 17:57 druthb wahanui: pianohacker? 17:57 wahanui i haven't a clue, druthb 17:57 druthb ! 17:58 oleonard pianohacker was gone so long wahanui forgot him. 17:58 druthb pianohacker is a brilliant young whooper-snapper. 17:58 mtompset wahanui: mtompset? 17:58 wahanui you are disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. 17:58 mtompset Still true! 17:58 druthb wahanui: druthb? 17:58 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 17:58 tcohen Leisure Industry Week 17:58 pianohacker hahaha, it was something random and weird 17:58 oleonard "whooper?!" Whipper! 17:59 * mtompset nods, "It's Whipper." 17:59 druthb oleonard: I'm from Redneckistan. Whooper. 18:00 mtompset Harder to google for, druthb. 18:00 druthb :P 18:01 oleonard We need one of these for "whooper" vs. "whipper" http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/popvssodamap.gif 18:02 druthb it's an easy one…see all the red areas on that map? that's where it's "whooper." 18:02 druthb In Redneckistan. 18:05 tcohen ok, Lars Wirzenius 18:08 mtompset Nice map, oleonard. 18:08 administrator is this koha channel 18:08 administrator is anyone here 18:08 oleonard administrator: Yes, just like the topic says. 18:09 administrator hey.. I'm on my third time installing .. can u help 18:09 pianohacker administrator: sure, what's your problem? 18:09 administrator many 18:10 administrator first.. I'm a monk.. sadhu (thanks) for your help in the dharma! 18:10 administrator I am on koha squeeze ubuntu 13.04 18:10 administrator i do the instructions and I get "it worked" 18:11 administrator then problems happen 18:11 oleonard Installing from packages? Which instructions are you following? 18:11 * liw has been invoked? 18:11 liw or summoned 18:11 mtompset it worked? 18:12 administrator I once got it to work.. but I had to use a different port 8080 I'm not sure if I can remember how to do that. also I created a few users by mistake with koha create and when I deleted them.. pooff broken again! 18:12 jcamins Default Apache. 18:12 mtompset That sounds like your apache server isn't configured to point at koha yet. 18:12 administrator hold on 18:12 jcamins administrator: are you using the IP address to access Apache? 18:12 administrator http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:12 mtompset Yes, that's likely his problem, jcamins. 18:12 jcamins liw: we were discussing why the packages use the system version of YUI. 18:13 administrator i also use http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze 18:13 mtompset okay... 18:13 administrator but I just use that for the repository stuff 18:13 administrator what is yui 18:13 wahanui yui is BSD license, according to Home › About Koha › Licenses 18:13 liw jcamins, ah... that'd be because Debian frowns upon embedded code copies (it make security updates harder); since Koha isn't getting uploaded into Debian, it's OK for Koha to embed its own copy of YUI 18:13 tcohen i was exposing my fear that not shiping our own might be cause of problems 18:14 oleonard yui is unrelated to your problem. Different topic. 18:14 tcohen as squeeze and wheeze don't share the same version/patchset 18:14 jcamins administrator: tht was for liw, not you. Nothing to worry about. 18:14 jcamins *that 18:14 administrator i'm confused 18:15 mtompset administrator: You will need to sort through multiple conversations on the channel at once. 18:15 administrator koha-common is 50% finished now.. 18:15 jcamins administrator: ignore everything about YUI, that is a separate conversation happening at the same time. 18:15 mtompset administrator: so what steps have you done so far? I'm looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:16 mtompset you have installed Ubuntu, correct? 18:16 mtompset (and not debian) 18:16 administrator IF my computer name is LibraryPC what do I put in this for the domain name (LAN only for now) 18:16 administrator DOMAIN=".mydomain.co.nz" # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string. 18:16 administrator INTRAPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the administration interface 18:16 administrator INTRAPREFIX="" # For administration interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name. 18:16 administrator INTRASUFFIX="-intra" # For administration interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name. 18:16 administrator DEFAULTSQL="/usr/share/koha/defaults.sql.gz" # only needed if you're pre-populating from another Koha database 18:16 administrator OPACPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the users' interface (if you skip this, the apache default of 80 will be used) 18:16 administrator OPACPREFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name. 18:16 administrator OPACSUFFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name. 18:16 administrator ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="marc21" # Specifies format of MARC records to be indexed by Zebra. Possible values are 'marc21', 'normarc' and 'unimarc' 18:16 administrator ZEBRA_LANGUAGE="en" # Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb' 18:16 administrator I installed ubuntu 18:16 administrator I did the updates 18:17 mtompset administrator: please use the paste site. 18:17 administrator clean 18:17 mtompset paste? 18:17 wahanui paste is probably found at http://paste.koha-community.org 18:17 mtompset That way you don't flood the channel with your cut and pastes. 18:18 gaetan_B bye ! 18:18 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "file listed in instructions" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31 18:18 mtompset If you follow the blue boxes in the instructions without changing anything, you should get a working library.framisdooby.org and library-intra.framisdooby.org machine working. 18:18 mtompset But the question is, administrator, do you have a network or system administrator to talk to? 18:18 administrator http://paste.koha-community.org/31?tx=on&submit=Format+it! 18:19 administrator is that right 18:19 mtompset Step back from the contents of that paste, and tell me if you have a system administrator or network administrator to help you, administrator? 18:19 administrator we do.. sort of..he is well.. difficult 18:20 * mtompset chuckles, "Aren't all of them?" 18:20 administrator heee hee 18:20 administrator he does not like this project.. because he wants a bsd server 18:21 administrator we have a cheap pc 18:21 mtompset Okay, which version of ubuntu did you install? server or desktop? 18:21 administrator it works if we can just get it to work 18:21 administrator 13.04 18:21 administrator desktop 18:21 mtompset okay... desktop. So, you plan on using this on this machine only? 18:22 administrator koha common is 87% finished 18:22 mtompset that's fine... but are you expecting someone to access it over the internet to search your library? 18:22 administrator yes.. but we will have other machines searching on the lan 18:22 tcohen so koha-common hasn't downloaded yet administrator? 18:22 administrator no or not in the close future 18:23 administrator almost finished.. 92% 18:23 administrator 94% 18:23 mtompset okay... you will need to talk to your network administrator then. Sorry. 18:23 administrator what do I put in teh domain name 18:23 administrator what do we need to ask? 18:23 mtompset wait... I haven't gotten there yet, administrator. 18:24 mtompset The problem is a lan usually is set up to use DHCP and not necessarily static IP addresses. 18:24 administrator static 18:24 administrator fixed ip.. 18:24 mtompset your machine has a static/fixed ip address on the lan? 18:24 administrator I think i was confused.. the answer is no internet needed 18:24 mtompset Well, then you are set! 18:25 administrator ok. . that problem is finished.. 18:25 administrator do I put the computer name in the dns box or just leave that file empty 18:25 mtompset WAIT! 18:25 mtompset we haven't gotten a full understanding of your network layout and how you are attempting to use it yet. 18:25 administrator ok 18:26 administrator we have one main computer to run koha and this will be used for people .. clients patrons to use 18:26 oleonard Bye #koha 18:26 mtompset Now, there are multiple ways to solve this, the quick and dirty way is to just follow the blue boxes in the instructions (making sure to read the instructions around to see if the blue box applies). 18:26 tcohen bye oleo 18:27 administrator everyone is leaving.. sorry 18:27 mtompset The problem with this solution is... you will need to tweak every single hosts file for all the machine that will access koha. The better solution is to get some DNS entry set up by the network administrator. 18:28 administrator ok we will ask 18:28 administrator for a name.. that can't cost much (in favors) 18:28 mtompset And then you should ask him... what to fill in for the domain name. 18:28 administrator then what 18:28 administrator was this the problem instead of the computername 18:29 mtompset because that's going to be part of the setup. 18:29 administrator ok.. 18:29 mtompset I'm not sure what you are asking. 18:29 administrator what name shoudl we ask for .. we can do it now. 18:29 mtompset you know that you are going to koha-create... library... (can't recall the command right now) 18:30 mtompset so it will be library.<whatever the network administrator tells you> 18:30 mtompset for the OPAC client. 18:30 mtompset and library-intra.<whatever the network administrator tells you> for the Staff client. 18:30 administrator sudo koha-create --create-db instancename 18:31 administrator ok my friend is running now... 18:31 administrator he will ask now 18:31 mtompset where you change instance name to the part of the machine's name, and it needs to match what the DNS entry for the network says. 18:31 administrator I appreciate your help.. we don't want to do the lbuntu cd 18:32 mtompset so "sudo koha-create --create-db library" 18:32 administrator hmm.. koha common just asked me for a name I used librarypc 18:32 administrator is that a problem now 18:32 mtompset Oh, no... this is why you need to READ. 18:32 mtompset What package was koha-common setting up? 18:32 mtompset nullmailer? 18:33 administrator yah.. its the first box that comes up 18:33 administrator a few boxes come up 18:33 administrator then it installs 18:33 mtompset Yes, and it probably asked about MySQL too. 18:33 administrator yah 18:33 mtompset Again, this is why your network administrator should set this up. 18:33 administrator it does not say this in the blue boxes :) 18:33 administrator ok 18:33 mtompset I meant blue boxes in the instructions. 18:34 mtompset in the web browser. 18:34 mtompset not as part of the install. 18:34 administrator from my link.. am i on the right instructions 18:34 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:34 administrator http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:34 administrator ok..that's what im using 18:34 mtompset so you are in the midst of "sudo apt-get install koha-common" 18:35 administrator yup.. maybe finished.. let me check 18:35 mtompset which is in a blue box (your browser may make it another colour) 18:35 administrator yup finished 18:36 administrator shall I apt-get remove.. I bet that won't let me start allover 18:36 administrator ;) 18:36 mtompset okay, the librarypc thing you typed... does not affect koha, except in that you probably configured mail incorrectly now. 18:36 administrator no prob... 18:36 mtompset Don't worry about mail. 18:37 administrator we are far away from mail.. a small monastery with 2k books maybe 18:37 mtompset like I said, before you do the next step... you need to talk with your network administrator. 18:37 mtompset he will tell you the value for domainname. 18:37 administrator i'm waiting on my friend as we speak. 18:37 mtompset he will tell you the value for domain. 18:37 administrator in the mean time.. 18:37 administrator how to get it to work with out the ports.. or is that the dns thing 18:38 administrator ? 18:38 mtompset that is a DNS thing, in that the DNS will set up a name that you can use to access it, and the name will distinguish between staff client and OPAC. 18:39 mtompset that is what those prefix and suffix values are about. 18:39 administrator I guess that means yes (way above me) 18:39 administrator another question .. 18:40 administrator When I got halfway successed.. the apache said.. "success it worked" 18:40 mtompset Now, if you don't want to wait for the administrator... you CAN change the port for INTRAPORT to 8080 (for example), and then you don't need a name. 18:40 mtompset That means you have apache2 set up. 18:40 mtompset That does not mean anything for koha. 18:40 administrator getting to the webinstaller was difficult 18:40 administrator once we are there.. we are golden 18:41 administrator can we change that later? 18:41 mtompset you can't, because it is too difficult to describe how. 18:41 administrator ok 18:41 mtompset but it is possible. 18:42 mtompset It is best to set it up correctly the first time. 18:42 administrator yah anything is possible if you have time and money (my favorite quote as a lay person) 18:42 administrator another thing. 18:42 wahanui another thing is different 18:42 administrator The users on ubuntu.. what is that? 18:42 mtompset wahanui: forget another thing 18:42 wahanui mtompset: I forgot another thing 18:42 administrator I deleted them once and it fried 18:43 administrator we were so close then 18:44 mtompset Okay, there only really need to be three users on the machine: root, yours, and library-koha (assuming you create an instance call 'library') 18:44 administrator what are the users.. I think khha create does them.. I had a 2 extra users because I typed the command twice 18:44 mtompset exactly. 18:44 administrator when I deleted them.. poof 18:44 administrator :( 18:44 mtompset when you type koha-create it creates them. 18:44 administrator apache died 18:45 mtompset sounds like you had an almost working koha and you broke it really well. :) 18:45 administrator is there a way to restart if I screw up.. I tried to remove the pkgs but it did not work. I removed teh koha dir and mysql dir and that was not good enough to restart 18:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1213: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1213/ 18:45 administrator it was just a username :) 18:46 administrator does that mean I downloaded a loser 18:46 mtompset administrator: do not go deleting things that you don't understand. 18:46 administrator got that right :) 18:47 administrator jenkins: does that mean I downloaded a loser 18:47 mtompset if you mess up the koha-create and create something you shouldn't have, use koha-remove. 18:47 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-remove 18:47 administrator hey.. that's a cool 18:47 mtompset Another useful page to keep bookmarked. 18:48 administrator I just hope I dont need to reinstall ubuntu again .. and lose my bookmarks 18:48 administrator :) 18:48 administrator we got a dns 18:49 tcohen it should get updated mtompset, but its quite useful! 18:49 mtompset The commands wiki page, tcohen? 18:49 administrator dhamma-pc is our dns 18:49 tcohen yes 18:49 administrator now what 18:49 wahanui now is good time with holidays coming up 18:49 administrator do we need .com or .org 18:49 mtompset No. 18:50 administrator what about our mail server.. no prob right? 18:50 mtompset You just need to be consistent in using dhamma-pc everywhere. 18:50 administrator oops.. 18:50 administrator reinstall? 18:50 mtompset Are you planning on emailing out overdue notices? 18:51 administrator maybe in the future 18:51 administrator far future 18:51 administrator 6 months 18:51 mtompset Then, in 6 months, bug your network administrator to fix the mail on your koha machine. :P 18:52 administrator laugh.. but really .. can we do it now 18:52 administrator what does it entail 18:52 mtompset nope, because I don't know how to. :) 18:52 administrator how to undo? 18:53 administrator control z 18:53 mtompset undo what? 18:53 wahanui undo is not included in paul_p's proposal. 18:53 mtompset wahanui: forget undo 18:53 wahanui mtompset: I forgot undo 18:53 administrator the mail thing.. the first pop up boxes before the koha installs itself 18:53 mtompset you don't want to do that. 18:54 mtompset because it will be like a sweater with a loose thread. 18:54 mtompset You pull the thread, and the sweater is no more. 18:54 mtompset Let the thread dangle. 18:54 administrator shall i reinstall ubuntu and lose my bookmarks you just gave me? 18:54 mtompset NO! 18:55 mtompset The problem is configuring email under Ubuntu. 18:55 administrator ohh..ok.. 18:55 mtompset Seriously... ignore that problem. Let the thread dangle. The sweater must exist. :) 18:55 administrator My friend is an apache expert.. what program does this run 18:55 jcamins postfix? 18:55 wahanui postfix is probably found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html 18:55 jcamins ^^ I use the Postfix mail server, and those are instructions for setting it up. 18:56 jcamins Your network administrator will know how to deal with it, though. 18:56 administrator ok lets forget it.. my friend can help. or our admin 18:56 administrator I'm going to run some more commands 18:56 mtompset WAIT! 18:56 administrator ok.. thanks for catching me 18:57 administrator see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:57 administrator under the download the latest koha release.. 18:57 administrator there is a mention of a bug 18:57 mtompset You didn't edit the /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file. 18:57 administrator and some commands 18:57 mtompset -- that's why the instructions have oldstable. 18:57 administrator are these still current (i skipped) 18:58 mtompset Don't worry... keep going. 18:58 administrator i can run them if you want 18:58 administrator he latest version package (3.10.x using squeeze repository) seems to break slightly under Ubuntu. Simply: 18:58 administrator sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list 18:58 jcamins mtompset: why do the instructions have oldstable? 18:58 jcamins (tl;dr version, please) 18:58 administrator i donno 18:59 mtompset Because when I last edited them there was a install bug. 18:59 mtompset They should be updated to reflect the correction. 18:59 administrator yup 18:59 mtompset But at this point in time... 18:59 mtompset administrator: keep going. 18:59 jcamins Okay. 18:59 mtompset edit the /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file. 18:59 administrator ok.. TELL ME what todo 19:00 jcamins (my interjections are in no way intended as instructions, I am simply curious about things that are said occasionally) 19:00 mtompset we are going to put ".dhamma-pc" in DOMAIN. 19:00 administrator ok.. i'm editing 19:00 administrator sadhu! that means.. great in buddhist language! 19:00 mtompset everything else, the same as the example. 19:01 mtompset save the file. 19:01 mtompset now we're at the next command. sudo a2enmod rewrite 19:02 mtompset any output is irrelevant, because it is either already turned on, or it just go turned on. 19:02 mtompset next command... I'm thinking you are going with a local database. 19:02 mtompset sudo apt-get install mysql-server 19:02 mtompset please choose a good password for the root user, and DO NOT TYPE IT HERE. 19:03 mtompset If you have already installed mysql-server, then please remember the root user password. :) 19:04 administrator wait.. I made the file I want to post it.. but all I changed was the dns to .dhamma-pc 19:04 administrator pay attention to the dot in front 19:04 mtompset okay, use the paste your example, like I showed you before using the website. 19:04 administrator how to paste big things 19:05 mtompset paste? 19:05 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 19:05 bag wahanui: sniff paste? 19:05 wahanui bag: i haven't a clue 19:05 bag heh 19:05 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my domain" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32 19:06 mtompset Yes, that looks right. 19:06 mtompset did you save it? 19:07 mtompset did you save it, administrator? 19:07 administrator yup 19:07 administrator idid the rewrite 19:07 mtompset okay, did you install mysql-server yet? 19:08 administrator doing it now 19:09 administrator then I will do sudo koha-create --create-db library 19:09 mtompset Yes. 19:11 administrator did the sql pwd.. i read that 2% of users use "password" in 2600 19:12 mtompset Have you done that and moved on to the Ubuntu Security Tweak section? 19:12 administrator sql is finished.. 19:12 mtompset So you are at the configuring ports section? 19:13 mtompset configuring apache, I mean. 19:14 administrator I tweaked 19:14 mtompset okay. 19:14 administrator sudo nano /etc/apache2/ports.conf ?? 19:14 administrator shall I do that now 19:15 mtompset Yes, the goal is to confirm all the ports needed are listed and that NameVirtualHosts is there too. 19:15 administrator i see.. NameVirtualHost *:80 19:15 administrator Listen 80 19:16 mtompset Uncommented? 19:16 mtompset No # in the front of them? 19:16 administrator yup 19:16 mtompset Okay, then there's nothing to do. Which is good. :) 19:16 mtompset close that. 19:16 administrator glad you updated it correctly 19:16 mtompset since this is your own stand alone machine, 19:16 mtompset sudo a2dissite 000-default 19:18 mtompset Then jump to the Enable Modules and Site section. 19:18 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "a2dissite result" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/33 19:19 mtompset Don't worry about that feedback yet. 19:19 administrator shall i run reload 19:19 mtompset No. 19:19 mtompset Because the last comment in the Enable Modules and Site section does what you need. 19:19 mtompset last command. 19:20 mtompset have you run the commands in the Enabled Modules and Site section? 19:20 administrator no 19:20 mtompset Do that. 19:20 administrator the rewrite stuff 19:20 administrator ? 19:20 mtompset Yes. 19:20 administrator ok 19:20 mtompset and ignore all the outputs. 19:21 mtompset Because they will say you need to reload or restart. 19:21 mtompset But the last command does a restart. 19:22 administrator administrator@LIbraryPC:~$ sudo a2ensite library 19:22 administrator ERROR: Site library does not exist! 19:22 mtompset you didn't run the koha-create command?! 19:22 administrator no 19:22 mtompset run it now. 19:22 mtompset sudo koha-create --create-db library 19:22 administrator did goof 19:23 mtompset then continue the commands in Enable Modules and Site section. 19:24 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha create" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/34 19:24 mtompset That's fine. 19:24 administrator ok good .. i thought i was toast 19:24 mtompset No, it's just a DNS complaint. 19:25 mtompset If you had an externally accessible website like library.testthisout.org 19:25 mtompset then you would have configured apache2 to use it. 19:25 jcamins [off] Okay, I don't want to do the locking up today, so I guess it's time to go, before my client's housekeeper leaves. 19:26 mtompset [off] have a good day, jcamins. :) 19:26 mtompset oh, and that reminds me... 19:26 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "enable results" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35 19:27 mtompset Yes, administrator, that's fine. 19:27 administrator ok .. i really appreciate your help.. 19:27 mtompset could you... 19:27 mtompset sudo vi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library 19:27 mtompset And then paste that? 19:27 administrator how bout gedit 19:28 mtompset whatever... 19:28 mtompset I'm a vi person. 19:28 mtompset gedit is just fine. 19:28 pianohacker I think that's the gedit motto, truthfully 19:28 pianohacker gedit is Just Fine™ 19:29 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gedit no vanilla" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/36 19:29 mtompset good... just checking there wasn't a step missed in the instructions. :) 19:29 administrator sadhu 19:30 administrator no web installer? 19:30 administrator now web installer 19:30 mtompset Not yet... we're getting very close. 19:30 administrator ok 19:30 mtompset paste the output of your sudo ifconfig. 19:30 administrator why don't they have a script? 19:30 administrator ok 19:31 mtompset Because every installation could have variations in configuration. 19:31 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ifconfig" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/37 19:32 administrator ok 19:32 mtompset Hmm... okay... Now, I have a strange request... 19:32 administrator ok.. no complains? 19:32 mtompset I would like you to reboot the machine. 19:32 administrator ok 19:32 administrator i hope I can connect to irc again! 19:32 mtompset and paste the contents of sudo ifconfig. 19:32 administrator ok.. 19:33 administrator you want the ip address again? 19:33 administrator so we don't get dhcp 19:33 mtompset Hmm... 19:33 mtompset could you sudo cat /etc/network/interfaces 19:34 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cat results" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38 19:35 mtompset Strange, no reference to eth0. 19:35 mtompset Okay... no need to reboot. 19:35 administrator uh oh 19:35 administrator oh.. thats goog? 19:35 administrator good 19:35 administrator ? 19:35 mtompset I just want to make sure that your ip address on eth0 is going to stay the same. 19:36 administrator maybe I should reboot ? r u sure 19:36 mtompset If it isn't mentioned, but you have it, then I'm willing to guess it will stay the same. 19:36 mtompset Don't reboot. 19:36 administrator ok. 19:36 administrator web install 19:36 administrator ? 19:37 mtompset Let's get it working, and then if it breaks, because your ip address changes... just come back to here and someone might be able to help you fix that. 19:37 mtompset No. 19:37 mtompset Tweak Hosts file. 19:37 administrator i tried to go to dhamma-pc.. got error 19:38 administrator ok lets tweak. 19:38 administrator what to do? 19:38 mtompset administrator: Because you haven't tweak hosts file. 19:38 administrator oh i see 19:39 mtompset now, instead of 127.0.0.1 use 192.168.1.121 19:39 mtompset and instead of library.framisdooby.org use library.dhamma-pc 19:39 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tweak" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39 19:39 mtompset and instead of library-intra.framisdooby.org use library-intra.dhamma-pc 19:39 administrator doing 19:39 mtompset You need to ADD two lines. 19:40 mtompset let's see the paste now. 19:42 mtompset administrator? Paste the revised /etc/hosts file with the two new lines. 19:43 administrator i'm working still 19:43 administrator wait gedit is easier 19:43 mtompset That's fine... nano, gedit, vi... use whatever works. 19:46 mtompset administrator? Paste the revised /etc/hosts file with the two new lines. 19:46 administrator shall I save? 19:46 mtompset Let's see the paste first. 19:46 administrator shall I save 19:47 mtompset NO. 19:47 mtompset I said ADD... I did not say change. 19:48 administrator oopss.. ok 19:48 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Use this" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/41 19:49 administrator i bet 127 is not ok 19:50 mtompset administrator: It's fine. 19:50 mtompset Leave it. 19:50 administrator save 19:50 administrator ? 19:50 mtompset Yes. 19:50 administrator ok 19:50 administrator fini 19:50 mtompset Now... let's see how close we are. 19:50 mtompset open a web browser to http://library.dhamma-pc/ 19:51 administrator shall i library.dhamma-pc 19:51 mtompset You should get a maintenance warning. 19:51 mtompset Well? 19:52 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "web results" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/43 19:53 administrator i only typed library.dhamma-pc 19:53 administrator firefox 19:53 mtompset fine... 19:53 administrator I've been here before 19:53 administrator what next 19:53 wahanui next is translation manager 19:53 mtompset did you get a maintence page? 19:54 mtompset No... next is NOT translation manager. 19:54 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "another great #KohaILS newsletter http://t.co/vHz0kfqLcU" 19:54 mtompset translation manager is AFTER everything is installed. 19:54 administrator ok 19:55 mtompset did you get a maintence page? 19:55 administrator what maintenence page.. I posted 19:55 administrator web results 19:55 administrator error 19:55 mtompset YAY! valid error. 19:56 mtompset Good error. 19:56 mtompset Now... 19:56 mtompset we need to look up the password. 19:56 administrator ok.. ?? it should say in the instructions.. I've been here before 19:56 administrator ;( 19:56 mtompset sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/pass' /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml 19:56 administrator ok 19:57 administrator fini 19:57 mtompset you only get that error if you have NEVER run the web install set up for Koha. 19:57 administrator ok 19:57 administrator shall i web again 19:57 mtompset WAIT... 19:57 mtompset you have the password? 19:57 mtompset don't tlel me it! 19:57 mtompset do not tell me it. 19:58 mtompset Do you have the password? 19:58 administrator ok .. it's not "password" 19:58 mtompset :) 19:58 administrator yes 19:58 administrator oh shoot 19:58 mtompset now... instead of library.dhamma-pc 19:58 mtompset use library-intra.dhamma-pc 19:58 administrator The monk here wanted a different password 19:58 administrator I'm not sure they will match 19:59 mtompset Don't worry about that! 19:59 administrator ok 19:59 administrator sql asks for a passord.. did koha create ask for one too? 19:59 administrator if not we are ok 19:59 administrator i've done a few installs ..maybe confused 19:59 mtompset Stop asking questions. 19:59 administrator ok 20:00 administrator what next\/ 20:00 mtompset Go to library-intra.dhamma-pc 20:00 administrator oops! 20:00 mtompset You should get a log in screen. 20:00 mtompset Did you get a log in screen? 20:00 administrator you are god (smallg) 20:00 mtompset No, I'm just a man with a time limit. :) 20:00 administrator The wiki needs to say this stuff 20:00 mtompset Sorry if I come across as rude. 20:01 administrator I thought you were joking 20:01 mtompset Go to library-intra.dhamma-pc 20:01 mtompset You should get a log in screen. 20:01 mtompset Did you get a log in screen? 20:01 administrator i did .. that s why you are a small g god 20:01 administrator yup got it 20:01 mtompset okay... good, we are now in the web installer steps. YAY! 20:01 administrator lets try to log in wait... I know this part 20:02 mtompset Yes. 20:02 mtompset It should be pretty simple now. 20:02 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "stoked that the 2 largest libraries in armenia are using #KohaILS to run their union catalogue" 20:03 mtompset Though, when it gives you a whole bunch of optional and mandatory things to check... I would check most of them... no sample patrons or libraries though. 20:04 mtompset Now, if you get stuck, ask questions. 20:04 administrator i'm in 20:04 administrator thank you. 20:04 administrator will you be here for a while 20:05 administrator what is your email..or does this irc get archived 20:08 mtompset irc? 20:08 wahanui rumour has it irc is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 20:08 mtompset You can go there to find this conversation and others. 20:08 mtompset Also... 20:08 mtompset You are in with the ultimate user password. 20:09 mtompset You need to create a library branch and patrons. 20:09 administrator ok step 3ing 20:09 mtompset And it is the patron username and password that you match to what the other people want. 20:09 mtompset And if they need higher permissions you can set them. 20:10 tcohen jcamins++ #didn't see those cute release notes before 20:10 administrator ok.. need to get my friend.. to check the things... its his project.. 20:11 administrator when I checked 'em he said he could not delete things because of interconnectedness 20:11 administrator it is sort of buddhist you know 20:11 mtompset please refer to appropriate manual: http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:11 administrator i'm on it. 20:11 administrator did the marc21 and now checkingadn unchecking 20:11 mtompset but your first task is to set up branches, and patrons. 20:11 administrator how 20:12 mtompset please refer to appropriate manual: http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:12 administrator step 3 is to check options 20:12 mtompset finish the web install. 20:12 mtompset you're not done yet. 20:13 mtompset once you are done the web install. 20:13 mtompset log into the staff client using the same user name and password you used to set koha up. 20:13 mtompset and make sure to go to the administration area and set up the things that need setting up (like your library branch and patrons) 20:13 mtompset patrons include staff. 20:14 mtompset the difference is find in the permissions. 20:14 administrator ok.. time to get my friend for step 3 20:14 administrator i'm out for 5 min 20:14 mtompset No, your friend is needed at initial log in. :) 20:14 mtompset But I supposed he'll want to check/uncheck things. 20:15 mtompset So, okay. 20:18 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Koha Community Newsletter: May 2013 http://t.co/64RqY1aKpw" 20:18 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Northeast Harbor Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/Iq1OG0qhZ0" 20:19 administrator he aint around 20:19 administrator if we do standard things the way it should be done.. then no problem.. he doesn't know anything either 20:20 administrator he was here before.. if I weren't a monk...!!! 20:20 tcohen have a nice weekend mtompset, #koha 20:21 administrator but I am .. so i'll forgive him.. 20:21 administrator I'll check and uncheck all but the sample patrons and library 20:21 mtompset Sorry for the slow reply, tcohen. Have a good one too. 20:22 mtompset Did you intentionally format the release notes into the pretty format, jcamins? What application did you use? 20:23 mtompset I have to leave now. 20:23 mtompset administrator: You should have a workable system now. 20:23 administrator wait.. 20:24 rangi [off] and that email is why we can no longer have useful discussions because an opinionated troll with illinformed opinions hijacks all threads 20:24 administrator can i postpone step 3 or do i need to do it all ow 20:24 administrator now 20:25 administrator the optional stuff.. can i add it later and just do the mandatory 20:25 mtompset [off] ARG. 20:25 mtompset I don't know, administrator. 20:25 administrator he had trouble removing 20:25 mtompset I have to leave. 20:25 administrator ok.. 20:26 mtompset Bye, #koha. Have a great day. 20:26 administrator thanks for your help.. have an ice weekend 20:26 administrator nice weekend 20:30 * rangi tries to route around the damage on the list 20:31 rangi http://msujaws.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/protecting-your-open-source-project-from-poisonous-people/ 20:40 administrator bye 20:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #127 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:57 jcamins @later tell mtompset Of course that was intentional. I did it in InDesign. The French version was done in LibreOffice, and isn't as nice. 20:57 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 20:58 pianohacker jcamins: Is there any good open-source equivalent to InDesign that you know of that is open-source? Scribus is the closest, but has a twitchy, awkward ui 20:59 rangi pianohacker: ill ask the design team at work 20:59 pianohacker sweet, thanks 20:59 pianohacker rangi: You're like a friendly, kiwi alternative.to :) 21:01 rangi heh 21:01 jcamins pianohacker: not that I know of. 21:01 jcamins I tried scribus for a while, but, ugh. 21:01 pianohacker yeah, that was my reaction 21:01 rhcl pianohacker: our publicity person is married to Quark, and I help him all the time; Scribus seems just as logical to me as Quark does. 21:01 pianohacker I just do everything in Inkscape these days, and as twitchy as that text layout engine, it's easier to understand than Scribus 21:02 pianohacker rhcl: Okay, fair enough. Do you know any good tutorials? 21:03 rhcl I can google around a bit; at one time I was playing with it (Scribus) and had gotten a general feel for it, but that was a couple of years ago. 21:05 jcamins rhcl: in terms of interface, Scribus isn't too bad. 21:06 jcamins When it works. 21:06 rhcl then? 21:06 jcamins The major problems I encountered were: 1) it absolutely cannot handle multiple displays. 21:06 jcamins That was a biggy. 21:06 jcamins I had to edit by hand the configuration every time I wanted to open a file. 21:07 rhcl well, I don't think I ever had to mess with the cfg, but again, that was a couple of years ago for me 21:07 jcamins 2) The color support is very poor. 21:07 pianohacker Yeah, that's the thing. Bugs in piles and heaps 21:08 jcamins Even when working the CMYK colorspace, it insists that you're using CMY. 21:08 jcamins Which sucks. 21:08 jcamins A lot. 21:08 rhcl we have a brand new Savin higher-end copier. Color with Quark has great variation between the ps and pcl drivers 21:09 rhcl we're still working on those things--the Pantone charts help some 21:09 jcamins 3) I was not happy with the PDFs/PS it produced for high-res printing. 21:10 jcamins I don't necessarily expect good color matching without custom profiles, but using CMY without any K is not really acceptable for a file consisting of black text and a few color images. 21:10 rhcl jcamins: and you ruled out idiosyncrasies with the printer and printer driver? 21:10 rhcl I 21:10 rhcl oops 21:10 jcamins rhcl: yeah, it's an issue in the screen-rendered PDF too. 21:10 jcamins After that I just bought InDesign. 21:11 rhcl http://decafbad.net/projects/scribus-tutorial/ 21:11 jcamins Though maybe there's a new improved version of Scribus. 21:11 * jcamins will download the latest. 21:12 rhcl disclaimer: don't know anything about the above 21:12 jcamins I have 1.4.1. 21:13 jcamins Bah. They're only up to 1.4.2 21:13 * jcamins downloads it anyway. 21:13 jcamins You never know. 21:13 rangi http://hypothes.is/blog/cross-format-annotation/ 21:14 rangi right now i need to go get the kindergarten set up for the big party 21:14 pianohacker ' * 1.4.2: Oh, that's what UIs are for! Cor!' 21:14 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8718123/All-I-want-for-my-birthday-is-Maui <-- for those that missed it :) 21:14 pianohacker man it would have been nice if ted nelson were less crazy, he was a massive visionary 21:16 rhcl 1.5 is on the website? 21:16 jcamins Ouch, 1.5.0 is a long way away, isn't it: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus_1.5.0_Release_Schedule 21:16 jcamins rhcl: 1.5.0svn = master 21:17 rhcl this page: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Color_Management_setup acks color display problems with pdf, says to use Evince for the pdf viewer 21:17 pianohacker evince++ 21:18 pianohacker libpoppler specifically, but it's a wonderfully pure PDF viewer 21:18 jcamins Actually, maybe 1.5.0 isn't so far away: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap 21:18 pianohacker jcamins: Do you do graphic design work? It sounds like you've poked at this a lot 21:19 rhcl jcamins: configure, make, make install? 21:19 jcamins pianohacker: I produce catalogs. 21:20 jcamins rhcl: I don't use development versions of software unless I'm certain I am prepared to deal with what that entails. 21:20 jcamins When I am preparing a document for printing, I am decidedly not prepared to deal with what it entails. 21:20 pianohacker jcamins: What exactly are those? I've heard the term many a time but never seen one 21:20 jcamins lol 21:20 pianohacker * catalogs 21:20 jcamins I don't think any of mine are available publicly. 21:21 pianohacker master = masterful = obviously the best choice for production, right? 21:21 jcamins [off] Imagine illustrated, carefully-styled documents containing pages and pages of narrative records along the lines of http://www.eprarebooks.com/cgi-bin/phillips/231.html 21:22 jcamins [off] Okay, bad example, I'm not sure why Chrome autocompleted 231. One moment... 21:22 jcamins [off] http://www.eprarebooks.com/cgi-bin/phillips/212.html <-- more narrative 21:22 jcamins In addition to doing the cataloging, I tend to end up writing the introductions as the expert on the subject-at-hand. 21:23 pianohacker Ahh, okay. So more exhibit, less metadata 21:24 jcamins Then I got annoyed when clients were taking my intellectually beautiful cataloging, and providing them in Times New Roman-filled pages accompanied by low-quality photocopies. 21:24 jcamins Right. 21:24 pianohacker what sort of people ask for these? 21:24 pianohacker book collectors? 21:25 jcamins Dealers, collectors, and appraisers, in order from most-frequent to least-frequent requestors. 21:26 pianohacker makes sense 21:26 pianohacker cool! very different side of cataloging than the MARC-heavy world I'm used to 21:26 jcamins Yeah, I am not pro-MARC. 21:27 jcamins This may somewhat clarify why I call it Biblio*narrator*. :) 21:28 jcamins Actually, I just printed off copies of my best catalogs from the last year or so. 21:28 pianohacker Yeah. It would be fantastic to have something that isn't just "chop catalog cards into labeled pieces", and worked better to convey information to the computer and could be formatted nicely for the user 21:28 jcamins Well, my best illustrated catalogs that were not published by someone else. 21:28 jcamins Over a hundred pages. I hadn't quite appreciated how many illustrated catalogs I'd done. 21:29 pianohacker When I was first learning, I thought AACR2 punctuation was an irritation; then I learned why it was there, and now I just think it's an archaic abomination 21:29 jcamins (some of the catalogs for dealers are as few as 3-4 pages) 21:29 pianohacker and the smaller ones would be more densely packed? 21:29 jcamins Generally. 21:30 jcamins AACR2 is an abomination, but more because of what we do with it than because it is inherently evil to have the cataloger entering punctuation, IMO. 21:31 jcamins Sorry, AACR2 (well, ISBD) punctuation. 21:32 jcamins AACR2 is also generally an abomination, but that's something else. 21:32 wahanui okay, jcamins. 21:32 jcamins I am very particular about how my catalog entries are punctuated. Initial punctuation, terminating punctuation, those matter a great deal to the overall impression of a catalog, and they are not always derivable from the "fields" that I am using. 21:32 jcamins aacr2? 21:32 wahanui aacr2 is an abomination, but more because of what we do with it than because it is inherently evil to have the cataloger entering punctuation, IMO. 21:32 jcamins aacr2? 21:32 wahanui aacr2 is probably generally an abomination, but that's something else. 21:32 jcamins Heh. Good enough. 21:34 jcamins rhcl: looks like part of my problem was reported in 2006. Ouch. http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=3540 21:34 pianohacker Yeah, punctuation is quite important. Not to the AACR level though 21:35 jcamins I think it's dinner time. 21:35 jcamins To the dinner table and salad! 21:35 * jcamins will probably be back a bit later. 21:35 rhcl yea, ic 21:36 jcamins pianohacker: here's a catalog I did not do: http://www.mckittrickrarebooks.com/mckittrick/images/pdfs/McKittrick_SS16.pdf 21:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #127: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/127/ 21:36 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' 21:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' 21:37 pianohacker jcamins: okay, cool. thanks 22:27 mtj rangi++, just watching now… very interesting! -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE 22:28 mtj "...painting the bike shed" 22:29 jcamins We do that a lot. 22:29 mtj i strongly disagree with your statement! 22:30 jcamins lol 22:31 jcamins mtj++ # nicely done 22:31 * cait waves 22:31 cait good night 22:31 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, cait. 22:32 mtj jcamins, bookmark that url for later… it looks like a good one :) 22:32 mtj hey cait 22:32 cait :) 22:32 mtj hi and bye 22:33 cait just checking some mail before going to sleep 22:54 pianohacker grrrrrrrr. Does anyone know of a way to to a git-push in stages? I am being actively thwarted by some sort of upload-throttling in the building's wifi 22:54 jcamins pianohacker: you can do it a few patches at a time. 22:55 jcamins git push myremote commithash:remotebranch 22:55 pianohacker Probably the easiest way 23:00 jcamins Life is good with mail filters.