Time Nick Message 23:52 rangi yep 23:52 wizzyrea that is super silly 23:52 rangi its pretty fun 23:52 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIl_0SY5hOQ&feature=youtu.be 23:51 eythian http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130528143623.htm <-- "Beer-Pouring Robot Programmed to Anticipate Human Actions" 23:51 eythian I bet it's no Christopher Lee though :) 23:50 rangi i love this :) 23:50 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvXxzI50cZg 23:49 rangi http://www.hipop-eration.com/ 23:43 eythian that makes sense 23:41 rangi more everyday 23:41 rangi yeah working their way through it still 23:40 eythian it's odd in that half of many sentences is translated 23:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #126 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:38 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_en_Debian_Squeeze 23:38 rangi apropos the spanish email this morning 23:37 trea ad infinitum 23:37 trea one does simply shred into mordor 23:37 rangi christopher lee is awesome 23:36 eythian well, it is sung by Sauruman... 23:36 trea give me a heavy metal album worthy of mordor 23:34 eythian cait is going to put some nice heavy metal on to go to sleep to. 23:34 cait good night all :) 23:33 trea reminds me of the time iron maiden did rime of the ancient mariner 23:32 wizzyrea "a heavy metal album based on the life of the French ruler Charlemagne." 23:32 wizzyrea hehehehehe 23:32 trea lol 23:30 eythian http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/05/27/72037-christopher-lee-releases-a-heavy-metal-album-on-his-91st-birthday/ <-- \m/ 23:01 pianohacker aughhh run away 23:01 pianohacker O_O 23:01 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, pianohacker. 23:01 pianohacker good night 22:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, thanks again! 22:48 wizzyrea (but i didn't read the report) 22:47 YoungPublicLibrarian Ooh! I like when things are that easy! 22:47 wizzyrea probably a matter of adding items.ccode to your select 22:47 YoungPublicLibrarian The report I'm modifying is the Bibs Marked On Order report from the report library. Just wondering how complicated it would be to add collection code to what the report returns when run... 22:43 YoungPublicLibrarian One more question... If I wanted to add the collection code to what the report displays, what would I have to do to the report? 22:33 YoungPublicLibrarian Sweet! Thanks everyone! You guys have been a huge help! 22:31 eythian jup 22:31 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, it says (<option value="HIDDEN">Hidden from OPAC</option>") So would "HIDDEN" be the code I'm looking for? 22:26 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm trying it now. Give me a sec... And thanks for finding a work around! 22:26 cjh cait++ 22:26 eythian or similar 22:26 eythian and it'll be something like <option value="CODE">Hidden from OPAC</option> 22:25 wizzyrea it'll probably be the value 22:25 eythian yeah 22:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Ooh! I like that idea. So go to the add item screen and view the page source, looking for the Hidden from OPAC terms? 22:25 wizzyrea actually yea, ctrl-u on the add items page 22:25 cait years of being creative in things like that :P 22:24 eythian it'd probably work 22:24 eythian cait: that's a good idea 22:24 YoungPublicLibrarian How would I search it through the staff interface? 22:24 cait probably you can 22:24 cait i wonder if you can see it in the source code of the add item screen 22:24 wizzyrea ah sorry 22:24 cait they migt have hidden the LOC value from opac but not from staff 22:24 YoungPublicLibrarian I can't go there, that's 9/10 of the problem... And Wizzyrea, I is male... Lol 22:23 cait wizzyrea: if location is searchable in staff advanced search... 22:23 wizzyrea ^^^ 22:23 eythian well someone has to go there, or it's simply not possible 22:23 eythian one of them will be the code for "hidden from the opac" 22:23 wizzyrea she doesn't have rights to do any of that. 22:22 wizzyrea it's hidden from the opac. 22:22 eythian YoungPublicLibrarian: you go there, and it'll give you a list of them all 22:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Search how? And he... Lol 22:21 cait i mean can you search that hidden in opac? 22:21 cait is the loc searchable in advanced search in the staff interface? 22:21 cait no reports either? 22:21 cait oh 22:21 wizzyrea she can't 22:21 cait try to write yourself a report: 22:20 cait i gues syu don't have access to the administration module? 22:19 YoungPublicLibrarian I was told to look for that code under Administration -> Authorized Values -> Location, but what am I looking for once I get to location? 22:18 YoungPublicLibrarian Right, that's what I'm asking how to find... Lol 22:18 eythian whatever the authorised value code for "Hidden from OPAC" is 22:16 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, so I'm trying to modify the Bibs Marked On Order report to give me all items marked hidden from OPAC. So what would I be looking for to put in the "where items.location = ' ? ' " line? 22:15 cait oh lol 22:15 rangi wahanui is a zombie 22:14 rangi eat life? 22:14 rangi kai ora? 22:12 wizzyrea looks like the description for items.location contains Hidden from OPAC 22:12 YoungPublicLibrarian It says c - Shelving Location and has a selection list where "Hidden from OPAC" is chosen. 22:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Under edit items... 22:11 wahanui kai ora, eythian 22:11 eythian hi 22:11 wizzyrea sorry, I've slept since then :) 22:10 wizzyrea oh right - you told me that ages ago 22:09 YoungPublicLibrarian One from The Valnet Consortium. 21:56 wizzyrea which library are you from? 21:55 wizzyrea you would look at the item, probably in edit items 21:54 YoungPublicLibrarian I mean, would I look at the items stats in cataloging or somewhere else? 21:50 YoungPublicLibrarian Dang, okay. Maybe I can get help from ByWater. How would an item that is hidden tell me? 21:50 pianohacker wizzyrea: hmm. I don't know. I think libsysguy and I would either love each other or drive each other up a wall :) 21:50 wizzyrea it will tell you 21:50 wizzyrea if you know of an item that is hidden, and look at it 21:49 wizzyrea sorry :( 21:49 wizzyrea they are user configured - we'd have no idea 21:49 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm back with a question about the report you all helped me with last week. You told me to look for the location value of the Hidden for OPAC in Authorized Values -> Location. Does anyone happen to know what it would be under in there? 21:49 cjh wizzyrea: -!- libsysguy [~libsysguy@c-98-198-83-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has left #koha [] :( 21:48 wizzyrea aww 21:48 wizzyrea libsysguy? 21:48 * cjh has heard libsysguys are dangerous when cornered 21:47 cait :) 21:47 cait might be dangerous? 21:47 cait heh 21:47 cjh *real* room, as in, offline? that sounds dangerous. 21:46 * wizzyrea would love to get libsysguy, cjh, and pianohacker in a real room together. It would be epic. 21:46 wizzyrea :D 21:46 cjh they happen daily, the wizzyrea is common in these parts. 21:46 pianohacker and a wizzyrea sighting :) 21:45 pianohacker indeed 21:44 wizzyrea a libsysguy sighting! 21:44 * wizzyrea blinks 21:37 pianohacker but bye :) 21:37 pianohacker it's why we deal with IndexData's documentation :P 21:37 pianohacker libsysguy: yeah, that's the thing. the lack of good support for facets and good specific-field searching/relevant ranking make most search engines fall down 21:37 libsysguy later guys 21:37 libsysguy and on that note, I'm off 21:36 libsysguy but…I don't think you have facet control 21:36 libsysguy usually the NoSQL db's have full text indexing so you kind of get a two for one 21:35 gmcharlt I'm not sure what storing the blob in a separate NoSQL DB would gain us, considering the MySQL can store the blob well enough and Zebra/Solr can make in searchable 21:35 libsysguy heh 21:35 libsysguy well anytime you can let a binary handle parsing for you its much better 21:35 pianohacker plus, we kind of do, if you treat zebra as a db with one hell of a search engine :P 21:34 pianohacker yeah. thanks to some xml-processing tools built into MySQL and excellent CPAN/Zebra support, the latter is working _much_ better than the former, but it's still maybe not ideal 21:34 libsysguy I guess you could store the marc blob in a NoSQL db and everything else in an RDBMS 21:33 libsysguy *sigh* blobs 21:32 pianohacker libsysguy: would probably work better than the two approaches Koha has tried, from massive normalized-ish row-for-every-subfield MySQL tables to "to hell with it, store the whole marcxml blob" 21:27 libsysguy specifically MongoDB? 21:24 libsysguy I know…its weird that I was thinking about MARC by choice 21:24 libsysguy I was thinking about marc data the other day, wound't it make sense to store that in a document non-relational store? 21:23 jcamins gmcharlt: yup. 21:23 gmcharlt But (to the dismay of the Linked Data folks) RDA does do "records" :) 21:23 libsysguy RDA = MARC v1.1 21:22 jcamins And, while we're at it, they don't really do Bibliographic either. 21:22 jcamins And - Requirements 21:21 libsysguy heh 21:20 jcamins libsysguy: RDA = FRBR - Functional 21:17 libsysguy :p 21:17 libsysguy RDA is just FRBR's hacky realization 21:16 libsysguy now FRBR I can talk about 21:16 talljoy bring out the FRBR now 21:16 talljoy all clear! 21:15 * libsysguy peeks 21:15 talljoy sorry for the marc interruption libsysguy you can come back now 21:14 talljoy okay. i will give them my thoughts with ^ that as the preferred cataloging method. 21:14 jcamins In that case, yes, 245$f1990-1996. 21:14 pianohacker cataloging++ 21:13 pianohacker interesting, okay 21:13 * cait is confused now 21:13 gmcharlt (i.e., some concepts like edition and publication date don't apply cleanly, or at all, for manuscripts) 21:13 talljoy no jcamins the entire thing wasn't rekeyed. perhaps certain acts were reworked 21:13 cait talljoy: so it's not an old hand written thing but something else? 21:13 gmcharlt pianohacker: what is this edition you speak of for manuscripts? 21:13 jcamins So the entire typescript(?) was rekeyed in 1996? 21:12 pianohacker edition info tags? 21:12 talljoy but.....for this particular application that might blow their minds. 21:12 jcamins hm. 21:12 talljoy so i could argue they are really two things 21:12 jcamins Ummm... 21:12 talljoy well revised as in..... i wrote this script in 1990. then when I got a job to put it on, I revised the script slightly in 1996 21:11 cait now the expert is talking 21:11 jcamins When you say "revised" you mean that there are MS amendations to an earlier MS, yes? 21:11 jcamins Actually, that depends. 21:11 jcamins Well... 21:11 jcamins That's what I'd do. 21:10 talljoy long live the 5xx tags they are my favorite. 21:10 jcamins And then the appropriate 5xx note. 21:10 cait ah 21:10 huginn` cait: Inclusive dates The time period during which the entire content of the described materials was created. 21:10 cait @marc 245 f 21:10 huginn` cait: unknown tag 245f 21:10 cait @marc 245f 21:09 bag heh I give up 21:09 wahanui cjh: i don't know 21:09 cjh wahanui can do math? 21:09 cjh :o 21:09 huginn` bag: unknown tag 245$f 21:09 bag @marc 245$f 21:09 wahanui -45 21:09 jcamins 1800-1845. 21:09 jcamins 245$f. 21:09 huginn` bag: unknown tag 245f 21:09 bag @marc 245f 21:09 talljoy would you note that it was revised anywhere? 21:08 gmcharlt talljoy: to be clear, I'm pretty sure it's the 245$f for manuscripts 21:08 pianohacker gmcharlt: ah, okay 21:07 talljoy you don't repeat the 245 21:07 gmcharlt pianohacker: 245$f is NR 21:06 pianohacker repeated tag or subfield? 21:06 huginn` gmcharlt: Inclusive dates The time period during which the entire content of the described materials was created. 21:06 gmcharlt @marc 245 f 21:04 pianohacker talljoy: hey now, that's not nice 21:04 cjh morning #koha 21:03 talljoy i could put an RDA spin on that question if you like. 21:03 talljoy pfft 21:03 libsysguy only when she has MARC questions :p 21:03 talljoy lol 21:03 rhcl talljoy speaks? 21:03 bag raises you another :P 21:03 bag eythian ^^^ 21:02 talljoy gmcharlt ^ 21:02 bag jcamins ^^^ 21:01 talljoy i warned you! 21:01 talljoy if i have a manuscript that was written on a date and then it is revised on a later date, where do the dates go? repeated 260 or 245 subfield? 21:01 * libsysguy runs away 21:00 talljoy libsysguy i've got a cataloging question for the marc fans out there. just giving you fair warning. 21:00 bag my dog is a lover 20:59 talljoy there is no safe place 20:59 talljoy egad bag. i can't even come into #koha to get away from your stinky ass dog 20:54 bag I think it was the chicken bones he ate the other night - dumbass 20:54 bag yeah it got him excited 20:54 libsysguy or he's retaliating :p 20:54 libsysguy aww the earthquake scared him 20:54 bag stinky farts - from the dog under the desk :P 20:43 libsysguy especially node :p 20:43 libsysguy indeed it is 20:40 pianohacker heh, tough in any language 20:40 libsysguy the difficult part is trying to find a persistence layer that is non-blocking 20:38 libsysguy yeah I'm trying to use Mojo for async connections 20:38 pianohacker libsysguy: both sound pretty good. yay perl :) 20:38 libsysguy you know me man, always letting my hippie flag fly 20:37 bag s/say/saw 20:37 bag libsysguy: I say you again the other day - you got a haircut this time - so you don't look like such a hippie anymore :D 20:37 libsysguy currently a data migration for some internal systems, but in general building perl web-apps for internal cPanel use 20:37 libsysguy :p 20:36 libsysguy currently or just in general? 20:36 pianohacker libsysguy: what specifically are you working on? 20:35 libsysguy ba dump *psh* 20:35 bag just a little "shook" up 20:35 bag yup 20:35 libsysguy eveybody okay? 20:34 bag HA I'm telling everyone I know 20:34 libsysguy i saw your status on fb 20:34 bag libsysguy: we had an earthquake today 20:34 libsysguy heya bag 20:34 wahanui libsysguy is, like, koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck 20:34 bag heya libsysguy 20:32 libsysguy anybody here going to YAPC this year? 20:32 cait :) 20:31 libsysguy also, tools, tools, and more tools 20:30 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-) 20:30 libsysguy surprisingly its much easier to code something when you have a firm grasp on the concepts behind it :p 20:30 libsysguy doing a lot of code 20:30 libsysguy they are good 20:28 cait how are things? 20:28 libsysguy long time no see 20:28 libsysguy hey pianohacker and cait :) 20:27 cait hi libsysguy 20:27 wahanui libsysguy is koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck 20:27 pianohacker hey libsysguy 20:27 pianohacker hey, longer you're here, the more you know and the less cheap you get ;) 20:27 * libsysguy storms the channel 20:27 JoeLib001 Yeah, ok. Already too long of a day. ;-) 20:27 JoeLib001 Could be known and Cheap and Dumb. XD 20:26 JoeLib001 Yeah...., - the 'm 20:26 JoeLib001 I'm am a Paraprofessional, I think is the term. ;-) 20:26 mtj gmcharlt, thats probably going to be a 'no' on both of those points :) 20:25 JoeLib001 Hehehehe 20:25 gmcharlt missing category: Multi-tasking 20:25 huginn` gmcharlt: Management:13, Cataloging:17, Acquisitions:13, Reference:6, Circulation:15, Systems:15, Research:11, Custodial:11 20:25 gmcharlt @librarian 20:24 jcamins Way too many other things to do. 20:24 JoeLib001 : Works on Circulation, Periodicals, and now Acquisitions. Along with support of Koha / IT stuff. XD 20:24 jcamins ^^ why I suggested you say "no" and not explain. ;) 20:23 JoeLib001 Possible, but not without it's own problems. I don't have the brain power to devote to it, if it's not built into Koha either. ;-) Too much on my plate as it is. XD 20:21 cait gmcharlt++ # being as wise as his dnd character 20:21 JoeLib001 gmcharlt: Thanks for that too. :-) 20:21 gmcharlt JoeLib001: but in practice, running with jcamins answer is also fine :) 20:20 gmcharlt mtj: -1, unless (a) Vimal actually wants the discussion and (b) we are aiming to come to resolution rather than discussing for the sake of discussing 20:20 mtj -1 20:20 jcamins -1 20:20 mtj yes/no? 20:20 huginn` rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 20 hours and 5 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> :) 20:20 mtj a quick show of hands here, people - do folks want to discuss the dvd next #irc meeting? 20:20 rhcl @seen wizzyrea 20:19 gmcharlt JoeLib001: though it *is* possible with some fiddling of the Zebra config (or possibly via sticking metaproxy in front of it) 20:19 JoeLib001 jcamins: Ok, thanks. :-) 20:19 rangi bbl 20:19 rangi ok time to take my son to school 20:18 cait pianohacker: she will get over it eventually :) 20:18 rangi pianohacker: couldnt spot her 20:18 pianohacker cait: haha, two plane tickets might be more than the gas from colorado to texas 20:18 jcamins There is no functionality built into Koha. 20:18 jcamins JoeLib001: I'd suggest you say "no," and leave it at that. 20:18 JoeLib001 I haven't been able to find one anyways. 20:17 JoeLib001 Is there an option in Koha to do that? 20:17 pianohacker wonder if my mom's in there somewhe 20:17 pianohacker haha, mustaches-and-glasses, oh man 20:17 JoeLib001 I got an interesting request from our cataloger. She wants to know, if I can make Koha not return the 942, 952, and 999 fields in a Z39.50 query. 20:17 cait oh i found liz and daniel 20:15 rangi pianohacker: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/nengard/3447508010/ 20:15 cait pianohacker: my mom was very disappointed when i told her - guess she expected me to take her too :) 20:13 mtj jcamins, yes, ultimately 20:12 rangi hmm not sure 20:11 pianohacker yup, that's good. still think it's worth a spanish response? 20:11 jcamins mtj: even better would be not using raw SQL for frameworks. 20:11 rangi hugo++ # great answer 20:10 pianohacker she had so much fun on that drive 20:10 rangi :) 20:10 pianohacker yup, less than a month after I got my driver's permit 20:09 rangi pianohacker: heheh you drove down in the end eh? 20:09 mtj i had a goofy idea recently… using pootle to build marc.sql files, for various languages 20:09 rangi ahh hugo answered 20:09 gmcharlt heh 20:09 pianohacker 17-year-old me: "Mom, I'm gonna fly to Texas by myself and meet Koha people!" "... hell no you're not" 20:09 rangi :) 20:08 gmcharlt pianohacker: go for it. beats me have to start my response with "I apologize for responding in English..." 20:08 pianohacker rangi: hahaha that's right 20:08 rangi <-- claim to fame 20:08 pianohacker oh, man. I can give it a shot 20:08 gmcharlt I suspect that they might have been running the 3.4 system for a while, but now want to migrate data from this Oracle DB 20:08 rangi i met pianohacker's mom 20:08 pianohacker cait: yeah, that's what it looks like 20:08 * cait volunteers pianohacker to answer :P 20:07 cait hm 20:07 pianohacker cuban_mom++ 20:07 gmcharlt cait: yep 20:07 pianohacker rangi: just a bit 20:07 rangi cya oleonard 20:07 cait pianohacker: did they really install 3.4? 20:07 rangi -( 20:07 oleonard Bye #koha 20:07 rangi handy :)( 20:07 * cait thiks pianohacker is right 20:07 rangi i forgot you speak spanish 20:07 rangi ahh 20:07 pianohacker rangi: thankfully, it's only a migration from some... thing on oracle to koha 20:06 cait instalado 3.4 ... 20:06 rangi but that's enough to make me run far far away 20:06 * rangi understands only oracle and koha in that spanish email 20:06 cait eek? 20:05 rangi eeek 20:01 pianohacker Dyrcona: Hrm, echoes of /r/trees :) 19:59 Dyrcona kohagreen 19:59 jcamins lol 19:58 gmcharlt history.txt: 2015-01-13: #everkoha is started on FreeOFTC 19:58 csharp heh - yep - I lurk in here too 19:58 jcamins csharp: wow, that's weird. Usually I see you on other channels. :) 19:57 csharp EOF 19:57 jcamins (that's all she wrote) 19:57 jcamins Full stop. 19:57 jcamins Period. 19:57 jcamins I think everyone who actively provides support in the community has pretty conclusively stated that their support for the livecd ends before it gets used for production. 19:57 oleonard pianohacker: Check doc-head-close.inc 19:57 mtj lol, yes Owen, thats the best theory i have :) 19:56 pianohacker Is there a precedent for generating translatable formatted strings in OPAC JS? 19:56 gmcharlt i.e., I'd want to see LiveDVD users use the normal channels for reporting bugs, but that of course implies that the LiveDVD is constructed to not diverge too far 19:56 oleonard mtj: Not aware that we don't all want to field questions about the LiveDVD? 19:56 mtj ... so the meeting could have been a good time for various people to make those various points 19:55 gmcharlt that would be a problem ... if it's an "official" LiveDVD, we shouldn't let it get divorced from the main project 19:55 mtj i honestly dont think Vimal is aware of these issues 19:52 oleonard Not sure what there is to discuss. 19:51 oleonard Vimal wants to make one, so Vimal gets all the jobs. 19:51 oleonard Yeah, the essence of the issue is that none of us want to deal with it. 19:51 rangi basically id just say we dont support it 19:51 mtj would we need a git repo for the livedvd? 19:51 rangi to vimal 19:51 mtj where to log bugs, where to send patches, etc... 19:50 mtj yep, all of that complex stuff 19:50 oleonard Support in what way? Technical support? 19:49 mtj oleonard, i was hoping for a focused discussion on how we might support a livedvd, during the meeting 19:46 bag :) 19:46 mtj bag, thats the aussies - kiwis are ducks 19:44 bag just being a deck :P 19:44 rangi but yeah, i dont think more discussion will result in anything 19:44 rangi mtj++ #i was just being a dick 19:43 mtj i might quit while i'm ahead, and remove it from the meeting agenda 19:43 oleonard What do you think can be accomplished at the meeting mtj? 19:43 mtj i have to confess… the thought of actually discussing the topic during the meeting, is just as inane as reading about it on the list 19:39 jcamins Good grief. 19:39 jcamins Again? 19:39 rangi yeah that would be shaky 19:38 pianohacker 8 km deep according to USGS: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ci15350729#summary 19:37 * cait waves 19:37 rangi if its not deep 19:37 rangi yeah 4 is pretty decent 19:34 bag no damage - just some things knocked off the shelves 19:34 bag 4.6 - big for me :) 19:33 rangi big one? 19:32 bag hey rangi - earthquake this morning in SB 19:28 * rangi deletes that thread unread 19:28 rangi mtj-- #starting the livedvd madness again 18:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1208: SUCCESS in 1 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1208/ 18:23 druthb perldancer++ 18:06 pianohacker haha perfect 18:06 huginn` pianohacker: Karma for "perl" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 18:06 pianohacker @karma perl 18:06 pianohacker though 18:06 pianohacker good 18:06 huginn` pianohacker: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5. 18:06 pianohacker @karma java 18:05 pianohacker java-- 18:05 huginn` cait: Communication:9, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:15, KungFu:18, GetsStuffDone:13, FlakeFactor:7, JavaAvoidance:10 18:04 cait @developer 18:04 cait oh wow 18:04 pianohacker dice_superstition++ 18:04 pianohacker oh wow 18:04 huginn` pianohacker: Communication:12, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:15, GetsStuffDone:16, FlakeFactor:16, JavaAvoidance:16 18:04 pianohacker @developer 18:03 cait detailoriented 15 yay! 18:03 huginn` cait: Communication:18, BigPicture:10, DetailOriented:15, KungFu:12, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:10, JavaAvoidance:12 18:03 cait @developer 18:02 cait no double classes? 18:02 huginn` cait: Management:10, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:10, Reference:5, Circulation:11, Systems:10, Research:9, Custodial:14 18:02 cait @librarian 18:02 huginn` cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes 18:02 cait @librariandeveloper :P 18:01 drojf lol 18:01 jcamins ^^ there's JavaAvoidance. 18:01 huginn` jcamins: Communication:17, BigPicture:6, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:13, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:11, JavaAvoidance:11 18:01 jcamins @developer 18:00 jcamins lol 18:00 drojf there is no "marc bashing"? 18:00 huginn` drojf: Management:11, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:14, Reference:7, Circulation:14, Systems:11, Research:17, Custodial:12 18:00 drojf @librarian 17:59 jcamins Acquisitions should be -5000000. 17:58 jcamins That's wrong. 17:58 jcamins Hm. 17:58 huginn` jcamins: Management:7, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:9, Reference:13, Circulation:11, Systems:7, Research:15, Custodial:15 17:58 jcamins @librarian 17:58 jcamins gmcharlt++ 17:58 jcamins Woohoo! 17:58 huginn` gmcharlt: Management:13, Cataloging:11, Acquisitions:13, Reference:6, Circulation:11, Systems:15, Research:11, Custodial:9 17:58 gmcharlt @librarian 17:56 huginn` pianohacker: strength:9 dexterity:17 constitution:13 intelligence:7 wisdom:13 charisma:17 17:56 pianohacker @dnd 17:56 pianohacker excellent :) 17:55 huginn` gmcharlt: strength:11 dexterity:11 constitution:7 intelligence:9 wisdom:15 charisma:9 17:55 gmcharlt @dnd 17:53 gmcharlt hmm 17:53 huginn` gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 17:53 gmcharlt @librarian 17:51 cait morning rangi? 17:49 * jcamins is on #evergreen. 17:49 cait tryingto get rid of me? :) 17:49 cait heh 17:49 jcamins Join #evergreen and you can have it. ;) 17:49 cait *want* 17:49 cait oooh 17:47 jcamins oleonard: in #evergreen that rolls you a librarian character for DND. 17:47 oleonard What were you expecting jcamins? 17:45 jcamins Hm. Guess huginn doesn't have that plugin. 17:45 huginn` jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 17:45 jcamins @librarian 17:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #1208 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9773 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery 17:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy 17:23 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9773 - Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery 17:23 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10367 - update the rules and control file for wheezy 17:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1207: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1207/ 17:22 Dyrcona lol 17:19 druthb lol. "Come to the dork side…we have <symbol:pi>" 17:18 oleonard http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f20f/ 17:12 druthb pianohacker:http://www.fivefingertees.com/the-bacon-pyramid-t-shirt.html 17:09 pianohacker she has to leave the kitchen when my dad and I cook it 17:08 druthb seeeee? 17:08 pianohacker ... except bacon :) 17:08 pianohacker druthb: My mom, after 15 years of vegetarianism, doesn't miss any meat 17:07 druthb Ooh. "Either you like bacon, or you're wrong." <3 17:05 druthb dooo eeet 17:05 pianohacker I'm _really_ tempted to try and make a small hole in my semester for a nevada road trip 17:04 pianohacker hah! excellent 17:04 druthb like "Any fool can use a computer. Many do." 17:04 druthb I'm trying to pick out a couple of new tees from there, m'self, just for funsies. Might wear some of 'em at KohaCon. 17:03 druthb There are a *lot* of ThinkGeek fans around here. 17:03 pianohacker druthb: I'm not sure you know how :P 17:03 bag sweet t-shirt 17:03 * druthb loox innocent 17:03 bag I'm still here 17:02 druthb he gets too bossy, pianohacker, just smack him with a trout or something. 17:02 * pianohacker laughs the quiet giggle of someone whose bossman is being harassed 17:01 oleonard How careless. 17:01 druthb tsk 17:01 druthb Hm. Maybe he got eaten by a dragon. 17:00 druthb gmcharlt, you pose an interesting question…let's ask a halfling. bag still around? 16:57 druthb Crunchy, and good with ketchup. 16:57 pianohacker just hope that halflings are chewy :) 16:55 gmcharlt druthb: dragons only eat appetizers and never move on to the main course? ;) 16:54 druthb "When you find yourself in the company of a halfling and an ill-tempered dragon, remember, you do not have to outrun the dragon…" (spotted on a t-shirt here at cPanel) 16:46 pianohacker gmcharlt++ 16:46 bag ha 16:46 gmcharlt bag: there has been at least one occassion where I've known that an earthquake has happened because my cats started growling for no apparent reason 16:43 gmcharlt and quite a lot of help and discussion with the IndexData folks 16:42 gmcharlt of course, with a ton of subsequent updates, including from (yes) kados, as well as slef and rch 16:42 bag that's sweet druthb 16:42 druthb First time Lindsey's flown alone. I dropped her at Hobby, got out and hugged her…she got her bag, then stopped and hugged me again. 16:42 gmcharlt based on textual evidence, it originated from the marc21.abs distributed with Zebra itself 16:42 bag kados 16:41 pianohacker oh? 16:41 gmcharlt pianohacker: thought so 16:41 bag awwhh too fast :) 16:40 bag very soon June 20th 16:40 druthb Enjoy it while she's little, bag—I just put my minion on a plane to DC to visit friends for the week, and then she's getting back, and starting to plan her moving out. 16:40 druthb hey! Isn't Ginny coming up on a birthday? 16:39 bag both Aloo and Ginny were pretty excited - like WHAT JUST HAPPENED? 16:39 druthb tha's good. 16:39 bag a few things fell off the shelves here - but nothing broke 16:38 bag no damage reported 16:38 druthb any damage in your area, bag? 16:37 * oleonard has an air-tight alibi 16:37 bag Who needs coffee when you get an earthquake like that? 16:37 pianohacker gmcharlt: thanks! 16:37 gmcharlt pianohacker: checking ... I have a suspicion 16:36 pianohacker usgs earthquake team woot woot 16:36 wahanui I blame gmcharlt; he's the RM, after all. 16:36 druthb wahanui: blame? 16:35 druthb whoa! 16:35 * bag went through his first earthquake this morning 16:35 bag http://google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=2bc4b428905fc95&source=fb 16:34 pianohacker gmcharlt: By the way, Koha history question. Who do we have to thank for our zebra configs? Even just a simple bit of poking at pazpar2 has been... painful to say the least, can't imagine the work involved in getting something as complex as Zebra happy 16:31 gmcharlt (first clear day in quite a while, of course) 16:30 gmcharlt ... MOUNTAIN 16:30 gmcharlt yes, it was quite a revelation one day when we were driving south on I-5 16:30 rambutan1 but everything sure was green 16:30 rambutan1 Yea, the few times I've passed through Seattle I was never able to see that big hill they have there due to the fog, clouds and rain 16:29 pianohacker which is saying something 16:29 pianohacker and rain, but apparently the coffee's so good it makes up for the weather 16:27 rambutan1 I hear they have coffee in Seattle. 16:19 pianohacker very nice 16:18 gmcharlt Marlene got a job at Seattle Public 16:17 pianohacker gmcharlt: Nice! Why the move? 16:17 pianohacker *drool* 16:17 gmcharlt pianohacker: oh, mostly exploring the new neighborhood (AKA Seattle) 16:17 pianohacker ooh, homemade spaghetti sauce 16:17 * cait runs out to shop some spaghetti sauce ingredients :) 16:16 pianohacker even benevolent dictators need a hobby ;) 16:16 cait he is RM, he does not have time to be up to anything! :P 16:16 cait yep 16:16 oleonard He's busy benevolently ruling over us all 16:15 pianohacker gmcharlt: What are you up to these days, anyway? 16:15 pianohacker indeed 16:15 wahanui somebody said gmcharlt was an expert in all things library technology. 16:15 pianohacker gmcharlt! 16:15 gmcharlt hi cait, pianohacker 16:14 cait gmcharlt++ :) 16:13 gaetan_B bye ! 16:13 pianohacker hey cait 16:13 cait hi pianohacker :) 16:09 pianohacker 'allo 16:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #1207 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9763 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl 16:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10359 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , CCSR theme should apply jqTransform after OpacUserJS 16:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10292 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , XSLT files always taken from 'prog' theme for English 16:08 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9763 - Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl 16:08 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10359: transform masthead dropdown after user JS for CCSR 16:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT 16:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1206: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1206/ 16:03 druthb 5) Document, "This doesn't work with IE. Of course." 16:03 drojf hi druthb 16:03 druthb 4) Curse Micro$oft 16:03 drojf :) 16:03 druthb 3) Beat head against wall 16:02 drojf "2) Test with Internet Explorer" is a rather unfortunate detail of a test plan 15:50 tcohen thanks oleonard 15:49 oleonard Great news tcohen 15:48 tcohen :-D 15:48 tcohen got my visa #koha 15:47 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9773 - Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a90a72c62dcfcbb1989d5ea60a80f51bcee8a23d> 15:17 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10367 - update the rules and control file for wheezy <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=55f3553b25629cb24643dafd004786fe05629d81> 15:08 reiveune bye 14:59 oleonard Chatzilla has been my favorite IRC client for ages. 14:56 rambutan1 I don't know if it is or not, might be. It's strange because slash quit doesn't seem to do anything, and even if you close the chat tab the logins remain 14:56 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9763 - Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12afa055545aef68d5b0c64931af14c505dcdf0a> / Bug 10359: transform masthead dropdown after user JS for CCSR <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff2b4d1ff5992989478f83517d95f957c4af50d4> 14:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #1206 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:55 oleonard rambutan1: Is the Thunderbird chat client Chatzilla? You can run that as a standalone if you want. 14:52 rambutan1 ok, that got one of 'em 14:51 rambutan1 I really don't like the thunderbird chat client. I don't have it open, but somehow it keeps and retains logins, and I can't "quit" out of it 14:51 oleonard Especially considering how hard they are to come by. 14:50 druthb never know when a spare rambutan will come in handy... 14:50 rambutan1 can a sysop kick "rhcl" and "rambutan" plz? 14:45 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0eeb00d48892c2ea7f42d787dae10364537ed6f> 14:44 rhcl well, good morning #koha 14:44 rhcl ah, alll righty then....no pet burning dogs. 14:44 oleonard rhcl: tip: don't pet a burning dog. 14:40 * druthb blinks 14:39 huginn` druthb: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:08 AM, November 14, 2009) 14:39 druthb @quote random 14:37 huginn` kf: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010) 14:37 kf @quote random 14:35 druthb lulz 14:33 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011) 14:33 gmcharlt @quote random 14:06 * dcook is heading to bed 14:06 dcook DNS another day... 14:06 dcook Huzzah...figured out how to use the ServerName directive (coupled with etc/hosts) to access Koha (on the LAN) using textual names rather than IP addresses. Yayyy. 14:01 samueld <kf> no,this is not a problem of path and we had until today no problems 13:59 kf but for a git install the path is still irritating me 13:59 kf samueld: hm sorry, running out of ideas 13:43 samueld yes, path and file are ok 13:42 kf have you checked if that path and the file do exist? 13:42 kf /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid 13:42 kf hmright I see that it says it shoudl be there 13:41 samueld i think but not sure 13:40 kf hm, that's a bit weird for a git installation 13:40 samueld it's in /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb 13:40 kf hm home/koha/koha-dev... or something like that 13:39 kf the zebra files would be duplicated in that case, and the one being used are normally in a directory like /home/koha-dev 13:39 samueld <kf> it's a git install 13:39 kf is it a git installation? 13:39 kf how is your installation set up? 13:39 kf have you been looking at the right files? 13:39 kf hm 13:38 samueld yes, i've made chown -R /home/koha 13:37 kf it shoudl be owned by your koha/zebra user 13:36 kf normally it's the ownership 13:36 samueld <kf> i've checked the ownership but not the permissions. 13:35 kf i got distracted, sorry 13:35 kf samueld: the error youshowed earlier probably means that the permissions are the problem 13:11 kf :) 13:10 dcook Slowly but surely, I'll get this networking thing :p 13:10 dcook Yay...allowed a little hole through my firewall so I can access Koha on my LAN from my laptop... 12:51 kf hi khall 12:50 khall heh 12:50 dcook Errr late evening! 12:50 dcook morning khall 12:50 khall mornin kf et al! 12:49 dcook Slowly but surely getting my home Koha set up the way I want it :) 12:49 huginn` 04Bug 10374: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Clean up and unify CircControl related code 12:49 khall http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/31/yes-you-should-rewrite-it-no-not-like-that/ = http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10374 12:49 dcook kf: It's only 10:49pm! 12:46 kf well ok... there might be options to get it wrong 12:46 kf yeah how can something chocolate covered be wrong? :) 12:45 Dyrcona :) 12:45 Dyrcona chocolate covered chocolate.....mmmmmm..... 12:44 kf dcook: go to bed! 12:44 dcook I could see ants possibly being good in chocolate... 12:42 druthb no. I hear that insects are a valuable source of protein in much of the world—I'm glad it's not a routine part of *my* diet. 12:42 kf do you really have some? 12:42 kf hehe 12:42 druthb ick ick ick... 12:42 druthb you're welcome to my share, then. 12:41 kf i have heard ants taste nutty 12:41 druthb kfsnack cookie 12:41 kf druthb: i want some too! 12:41 wahanui thanks druthb :) 12:41 druthb wahanui: botsnack chocolate-covered ants 12:40 kf oleonard: i filed lots and some of them went to you by default... it's not a problem if you haven't noticed yet :) 12:40 wahanui Bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 12:40 oleonard kf: Bugs? 12:39 kf i am terrible about consistency.... oleonard - sorry for all the bugs 12:39 kf you are welcome :) 12:39 jcamins I missed that. 12:39 jcamins Ooh, thanks! 12:39 kf invoice No. 12:39 kf also you have a capitalization error there :P 12:38 kf k :) 12:38 jcamins Nope. 12:38 jcamins kf: because "333" is what I always type when creating an invoice. 12:38 kf it looks mor like you are doing this based on aqorders than on aqinvoices? 12:38 kf jcamins: why does your table have so many lines? 12:35 jcamins They certainly do. 12:35 mtj ...a simple script to detect that would be a quick win 12:34 mtj people bump into problems often with bad file perms for zebra 12:33 jcamins I tried... 12:33 jcamins It doesn't do that, so I guess that won't save any time. 12:33 mtj as a starter... 12:33 jcamins Ah. 12:33 mtj i was thinking of a simple script that checked the perms on the various zebra files 12:32 jcamins mtj: yeah, that script might save you some time. :) 12:32 mtj heya jcamins, hmmm, no i didnt 12:31 druthb IE— # band-wagonning. 12:31 jcamins mtj: you know about the script that checks if each record is indexed, right? 12:31 oleonard I should consider this Microsoft's way of giving me permission to ignore older versions. 12:31 oleonard I guess I should be grateful that those people who actually use IE will get IE10 automatically. 12:30 jcamins IE-- 12:30 oleonard IE-- 12:29 oleonard Dammit, IE10 installed itself without asking. 12:25 jcamins Oh, yeah, I can fix that. 12:25 oleonard No problems there. Although it looks like there is date format inconsistency. 12:24 jcamins I was more concerned in terms of Koha look-and-feel. 12:24 jcamins Thanks. 12:23 oleonard I think that looks good, based on my limited understanding of acquisitions 12:23 oleonard Sorry jcamins, got interrupted here. 12:17 * druthb is just evil like that. 12:17 jcamins lol 12:17 * druthb would prefer something more…direct. "What the ^@$%^ are you tryin' to do here?" 12:15 jcamins What do you think of this as a warning that an invoice number is duplicted: http://screencast.com/t/8IMSiTiFudLv 12:14 * oleonard reaches for the coffee 12:14 jcamins Good morning, oleonard! I have a question for you... 12:14 druthb hi, oleonard! 12:14 oleonard Hi #koha 11:47 samueld when i look at koha-zebradaemon-output-log, i've the following message "[fatal] lock file /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [permission denied] 11:45 samueld I think i've found an interesting information in log 11:36 kf same is true i think for some other 'hidden' things, like hiding lots or damaged items by pref 11:36 samueld no 11:35 kf it's a system preference and might give you problems until you actually have a suppressed record 11:35 kf have you activated the opacsuppression ? 11:31 samueld the professional search works fine 11:30 samueld yes, no problem 11:25 kf is your zebrasrv process running? 11:24 samueld we have a problem with our opac today. When we search, it gives no results. An idea? 11:19 samueld hi everybody 10:53 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 24.4°C (5:52 AM CDT on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa. 10:53 druthb @wunder 77098 10:52 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.6°C (12:50 PM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising). 10:52 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:48 huginn` druthb: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 07:12 PM, September 25, 2009) 10:48 druthb @quote random 10:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10191 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , 2 option tags are not closed in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt 10:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10186 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Typo in subscription-add.tt (years vs year) 10:48 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt 10:48 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in subscription-add.tt : 2/years should be 2/year 10:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #318: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/318/ 10:39 kf good ngiht rangi 10:32 rangi right must be time for sleep 10:10 cjh phewf 10:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #318 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:08 cjh awesome, it didnt seem like there was an obvious status to use, ty. 10:08 rangi like you did 10:07 rangi i just note on the bug 10:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21 10:05 cjh what is the proper protocol for asking for a patch to be rebased for 3.8.x? I just asked for bug 10178 and am wondering if I need to change a status or anything similar 10:04 kf cjh++ rangi++ 10:04 rangi sweet 10:04 cjh and all is well :) 09:58 rangi no worries 09:58 cjh ty :) 09:58 cjh ohhh derp, my kc remote has never pushed before so is wrong. this is what I get for pushing late at night :) 09:57 rangi ? 09:57 rangi git push gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.8.x:3.8.x 09:57 rangi how are you pushing? 09:55 cjh I have tried from work and home with my new key added to ssh-agent 09:55 cjh fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly 09:55 cjh rangi: I cant seem to push to 3.8.x, I get Pushing to git://git.koha-community.org/koha 09:48 kf :) 09:45 rangi kf: you need to tell my boss that :) 09:43 rangi he saw there are 2 koha jobs going in montreal eh? :-) 09:43 rangi to quebec? 09:43 rangi oh i didnt know francharb was going to canada 09:42 kf rangi: you should come to marseille next year ;) 09:42 rangi hmm maybe not 09:41 paul_p rangi and I think you haven't met Laurence (something like CTO) and Stéphane (Delaye, librarian project manager). Not sure you're met the other Stéphane (Delaune, migration specialist) 09:39 paul_p rangi mmm... there are some newcomers you haven't met : sonia (support team) & corinne (librarian project manager, will replace francois that is moving to canada) 09:38 rangi after that i think only Joubu will be the only one i havent met? 09:37 paul_p so 3 of us (unless there's some financial problem, which is not expected ;-) ) 09:37 rangi oh cool 09:37 paul_p rangi and fridolyn 09:36 rangi you and paul_p ? 09:36 rangi who else from biblibre is coming? 09:35 kf gaetan_B: looking forward to your presentation too :) 09:34 gaetan_B i'll have a hard time coming up with something that crazy though ! 09:33 gaetan_B :D 09:33 rangi someone had koha running on a playstation 2 09:33 gaetan_B challenge accepted 09:33 rangi :-) 09:33 gaetan_B so 09:33 gaetan_B but i like "funny stories" as a topic too 09:32 gaetan_B my idea was a presentation about koha project management in varied contexts, and trying to focus on the more exotic ones to make it funnier and have some interesting anecdotes to tell 09:32 rangi hehe 09:31 gaetan_B but i'll try my best :D 09:31 gaetan_B i think there might have been some exageration or misunderstanding going on 09:31 gaetan_B :D 09:31 rangi im looking forward to gaetan_B's presentation 09:04 kf makes sense 09:04 kf ah 09:04 gaetan_B oh ok it's still in need signoff but that's for 3.10 09:04 kf should be in 3.12 09:04 kf but only for intranet, not sure where you see it happen 09:04 kf it's been pushed already 09:04 gaetan_B i'll have a look thanks ! 09:03 gaetan_B i guess i could sign off on this then :) 09:03 gaetan_B ah yes 09:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface 09:03 kf bug 10083 09:01 kf i saw a patch for that 09:01 kf hm yes, because it was a bug... and i guess it should have been fixed even by now 09:01 gaetan_B kf: hello :) do you have an idea why the "in transit from ..." string doesn't seem to be translatable ? 08:55 paul_p rangi lol ;-) 08:55 kf looking forward to see the 2 of you doing it :) 08:55 rangi its only boring for us cos we know it :-) 08:55 rangi movie 08:55 kf i think it's an important session :) 08:55 rangi maybe 50 mins talking and updated moving 08:54 paul_p ok, then one hour including the movie is OK. I answer that I'm fine with 1 hour ;-) 08:54 rangi so i think an hour will be about right 08:54 rangi we have even more to cover 08:54 rangi i think now its 4 more years since 2009 and we took an hour then 08:54 rangi yep 08:53 paul_p rangi = 2nd question: do we plan to show the movie you made for KohaCon10 (maybe updated for the last 3 years) ? 08:53 paul_p rangi = do you think we need 1 full hour for koha history ? I think we can take one hour, but is it the best option ? 08:52 tweetbot [off] twitter: @jsicot: "Qq1 aurait-il une jolie procédure toute faite pour le module inventaire de #KohaILS ? cc @SoniaBouis @mdelhaye @tredok ou autres ? #thx" 08:51 rangi yep 08:51 paul_p rangi about ? 07:55 amitgupta_ ? 07:55 amitgupta_ bag around 07:52 dcook Have a good day, drojf (and everyone else!) 07:52 dcook Tempted to set up Postfix for my Koha at home...maybe tomorrow.. 07:52 dcook En fait, I think it's time to head home 07:51 drojf :) 07:47 dcook I'm thinking the book might be winning at the moment ;) 07:47 dcook Friend just cancelled on me (too much homework), so now I'm weighing up my options post-work. Torn between reading a book, Koha stuff, and updating my library technology blog... 07:46 drojf i overslept and feel like i haven't slept at all :D and you? 07:45 dcook How's the day treating you so far? 07:45 drojf hi dcook 07:45 dcook hey ya drojf 07:44 drojf good morning #koha 07:23 gaetan_B hello 07:14 amitgupta_ heya bag 07:11 kf good morning #koha 07:08 asaurat hi! 06:51 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 06:51 dcook @wunder marseille 06:51 dcook Comment allez-vous en France? 06:44 christophe_c hi dcook ;-) 06:43 cait bbl 06:43 * cait wll walk to work in the rain now... again 06:43 reiveune hi dcook, cait :) 06:43 dcook That can't be right... 06:43 cait perfect weather for a long weekend *grump* 06:42 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (4:30 PM EST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 06:42 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:42 dcook salut reiveune, hey cait :) 06:42 cait glad it's thawed now 06:42 cait hi dcook 06:42 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.8°C (8:40 AM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising). 06:42 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:41 reiveune hello 06:40 dcook hey ya christophe_c 06:39 christophe_c hello #koha 06:37 dcook I was wondering why you all were so quiet today, and then I realize that my Xchat had froze hours ago...:p 06:37 dcook hey #koha 06:37 wahanui kai ora, alex_away 06:37 alex_away hello 05:57 cait eythian++ :) 05:35 eythian but in the meantime, if anyone wants to experiment, that's where you do it. 05:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy 05:35 eythian I'm hoping to prepare a master package with Bug 10367 tomorrow, and possibly move it into the older packages too. 05:08 cait hi eythian 05:08 eythian hi cait 05:07 cait morning cjh :) 05:06 cjh evening cait :) 04:54 cjh koha packaging really is awesome 04:51 mtj yeah, i can see that it might be tricky thing to do well 04:47 eythian it probably would be, but you've also got to know how to handle the error at all. 04:46 mtj hmm, i wonder if its possible to wrap that xsltproc code in a eval, so that it wouldnt be fatal? 04:43 mtj i just edited the field, and teh problem solved 04:43 mtj i never got round to finding out were the bib came from, and if the source record was glitched too 04:40 mtj yeah, some strange trailing chars, in the 245b sub-title field 04:40 eythian surprised it got parsed at all in that case... 04:40 eythian ah right, so not real UTF8 or something? 04:39 mtj oh fyi: remember the weird xsltproc error i had last week… it was caused by some glitchy chars in a bib :/ 04:37 mtj eythian++ thats awesome news 04:27 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 04:27 cjh confetti 04:23 trea ooo 04:22 eythian this means we don't need a separate package for wheezy and squeeze. 04:22 eythian good news: it does 04:18 cjh go eythian ! you can do it! 04:14 * eythian finds out 04:13 eythian anyone know if Koha works with tinymce 3? We seem to be including tinymce2 which is 5+ years old and no longer maintained. 04:09 eythian *in 04:09 eythian It ought to be added when cataloguing. The one is 260$c is free-form and so often not useful. 04:08 trea that's what i'm wondering - if the date is erroneous, and needs to be populated from somewhere else. 04:07 eythian this is something we see a lot, particularly sorting a search by publication date. 04:07 eythian trea: Is the date in 008 real? Often it's not. 04:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9368 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , specific behavior of yr and acqdate indexes 04:07 trea i was wondering if might be related to bug 9368 04:07 cjh there is also a publisheddate on serial, although I doubt that is what you are looking for 04:06 trea mmm. i have an issue where searches by pubdate don't seem to be working. 04:06 eythian though apparently 326$a goes into volumedesc which may be a date 04:05 eythian trick question, I don't think either of them are. 04:04 trea ah, right. the 008 perhaps 04:04 eythian trea: the 260$c or the one in 008 or whatever it is? 04:03 trea where is publication date going to be stored in the database? 04:02 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :) 04:01 mtompset mtj++ 04:01 mtompset eythian++ 04:01 mtompset rangi++ 04:01 mtompset Thanks for the help figuring out what the cause of my zebra searching problems were. :) 04:00 mtompset Well, I think I best be off. Meetings and more meetings tomorrow. 03:59 mtompset Hmm... Those assumptions make me curious as to how many people actually come here in the middle of an upgrade because of those mysql duplicate inserts "errors". 03:57 cjh it should be rare for a non-technical user to be seeing those errors :) 03:56 cjh mtompset: it is generally assumed that the person performing the upgrade is checking for errors, having them in a different place makes it less obvious 03:55 mtompset BTW, chr reinstall for the win. I can search for power again. :) 03:55 * eythian does not recommend the head-in-sand approach to upgrading 03:55 mtompset From an end-user perspective, I'd much rather not see them. however, if they were logged somewhere, that would aid debugging. :) 03:52 cjh and sometimes the errors can be a symptom of a problem, I think it is generally better to see them and choose to ignore them 03:44 mtompset good point. :) 03:43 rangi since we are going to have to move from mysql sooner or later when oracle totally borks it 03:43 mtompset Ah... we do have some of those in already. That's why I was asking. 03:43 rangi we probably shouldnt introduce those 03:43 rangi not standard ansi sql 03:43 rangi its a mysqlism mtompset 03:42 rangi theyve always been opensource not free software people 03:42 mtj s/set/see/ 03:41 mtj meh.. great to set apache/ASF are running jira for all their projects too :/ 03:41 mtompset could we add INSERT IGNORE instead of just INSERT for every one of them? 03:40 mtompset I was reading the MySQL documentation, and the updatedatabase.pl code. 03:40 mtj it sounds like a legit, reproducible bug 03:40 mtompset let's say we do the db upgrade and get "errors". 03:39 mtompset oh, another question... unrelated to zebra. 03:38 mtj ok, good to know 03:38 mtompset heck no! default is good. leave as much as possible as default! 03:37 mtj mtompset, curious…. have you made many mods to your zebra config files? 03:37 rangi in the search sysprefs 03:37 rangi difference even 03:37 rangi see if that makes a different 03:37 rangi you could turn the query parser thing on or off too 03:36 mtj hmm, a tricky situation :/ 03:36 mtj right, i kinda recall that too 03:35 rangi hebrew and arabic at least need it 03:35 rangi there are ways to do it correctly, cait knows them 03:35 eythian I think 03:35 eythian ICU is needed for some things 03:35 mtj sounds like a general no-no for using ICU with zebra 03:34 mtompset and increase the chance of making another mistake which ripples into several others? No thanks. 03:33 eythian you'd learn more by figuring out how to convert it 03:33 mtompset I know... it's overkill. 03:33 mtompset right, but if I back up to where I started to do the icu, and choose chr, then I know it will work. 03:32 eythian well, except the chr bit 03:32 eythian it's specifically your zebra config 03:32 eythian none of those are your problem 03:31 mtompset I think I'll just dump the DB, remake from the git but choose chr, and then reimport the data, rather than google. :P 03:30 mtompset well, thank you for at least pointing me in a direction. 03:30 rangi dunno, ive had enough googling for today :) 03:29 mtompset okay... how do I switch icu off? 03:29 rangi but what it means to me is, switch icu off 03:28 rangi so you cant see that bug anymore 03:28 rangi helpfully indexdata have switched to jira 03:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2049 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, OPAC could show rank in Hold Queue 03:27 rangi runcation other than right truncation returns an unsupported truncation attribute error, error 120, when using the ICU. See Zebra bug 2049, Truncation=regular does not work with ICU normalized terms. A patch to fix right truncation was committed in 2008. The remaining unfixed aspects of the bug were marked won't fix on 21 October 2010 by Sebastian Hammer as part of a systematic closing of some open bugs for which a fix was neither readily apparent nor fu 03:27 mtompset Okay, so what does that mean? 03:26 rangi 23:21:55-28/05 zebrasrv(1) 40d7fc4f357f0000 [debug] result immediately available 03:26 rangi 23:21:55-28/05 zebrasrv(1) 40d7fc4f357f0000 [request] Search biblios ERROR 120 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 power @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 power @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 power @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 power @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "power? " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 power 03:26 rangi the one that says ERROR 03:26 rangi but here is the line 03:26 rangi youll get less noise 03:26 mtj yeah, the debug is often overkill 03:26 rangi id run it first with just -f 03:25 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha search debug dump" (236 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/28 03:24 eythian You squint at it just right, and it'll start to make some sort of sense. 03:24 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 03:24 mtompset paste? 03:24 mtompset Okay... now how do I make sense of the output? 03:21 mtompset I think I have it... now to try a search. 03:19 eythian look in the man page 03:19 eythian I dunno 03:19 mtompset -v all to log everything? 03:18 eythian I don't know what that is, but it's probably something obvious 03:18 eythian and a debug flag 03:18 mtj do a search, and watch the terminal for info... 03:17 mtj $ zebrasrv -f ~/path/to/koha-conf.xml 03:17 mtj yep 03:17 mtompset so stop the koha zebra service and then run the zebrasrv manually with a debug flag? 03:16 eythian it'll probably output an error or something somewhere. 03:16 eythian in that case, I'd fire up zebrasrv manually in debug mode and see what happens when you do a search of it from Koha. 03:16 mtompset I didn't figure I messed up a fresh install. 03:15 eythian OK. 03:15 mtompset All of them. 03:15 mtompset Yep. 03:15 eythian _all_ of them, not just the directories? 03:14 mtompset Thanks... that was the general pointer I needed... and nope... they are all mtompset.mtompset :( 03:13 eythian but really, it can be anywhere. That's the point of a dev install. 03:13 eythian dev-directory/var/lib/koha or somewhere like that I think 03:13 mtj pass... 03:12 mtompset where are the zebra files in a typical git install? 03:12 mtompset my zebra is running as me. 03:12 mtj and then attempt to run zebrasrv as another user, which doesnt have permission to read/write those files anymore 03:11 mtj … which then changes the permissions of the index/db files to root 03:11 mtj the common mistake is that people run zebrasrv as root 03:10 mtj the perms of your zebra index files 03:09 mtompset What permissions and where should I check? 03:09 mtompset The last suggestion was permissions problem. 03:08 mtompset I'm back to try to uncover my searching failures again. 03:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:11 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:11 eythian wahanui: survivorship bias is <reply>http://youarenotsosmart.com/2013/05/23/survivorship-bias/ 01:03 eythian http://fakescience.org/post/51572402707/your-weight-on-each-planet 00:43 tweetbot [off] twitter: @glassfugue: "Where can I find out about #KohaILS and federated search?" 00:35 * mtj thinks it would be a worthy thing to sort 00:34 mtj i dont mind having a go at trying to fix it 00:33 jcamins Aww. Didn't work. 00:32 rangi but now i have to go eat curry 00:32 rangi possibly 00:31 cjh ie; a format that doesnt make schemaspy barf 00:31 cjh is it possible to make a specific comment format part of our coding guidelines? 00:31 * jcamins looks pointedly at mtj. 00:31 jcamins Someone should patch that. 00:31 rangi exactly, so i have some perl to fix that 00:30 mtj the comments in the .sql file make SchemaSpy barf :/ 00:29 rangi differnet things break everytime 00:29 rangi nope 00:29 jcamins Right, but it seems like it should be automatic. 00:29 mtj i assumed it was just running a script at midnite, etc... 00:28 rangi schemaspy even 00:28 rangi to get the comments into a format that schema can use 00:28 mtj hey chris… aah ok - i know i bugged you about it a while ago 00:28 eythian jcamins: schemaist 00:28 jcamins It requires massaging? Eww. 00:26 rangi ill do it when i get round to it 00:26 rangi it needs to much massaging to be cronable 00:25 * mtj thinks that might be rangi's linode? 00:24 mtj hey peeps, can anyone get a cron sorted to rebuild Koha's schema page? 00:19 wizzyrea :) 00:17 jeff 2128 new objects since last git pull. looks like it's been a while. 00:04 jeff thanks. i need to re-up my subscriptions. 00:03 rangi for context 00:03 rangi jeff: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-May/039407.html 00:02 rangi heh 00:02 jeff can't read it, don't trust it, better rm it. 00:02 gmcharlt best to delete it 00:02 gmcharlt might be dangerous 00:01 jcamins Or vmlinuz. 00:00 eythian it better be µlibc, none of this big bloated stuff! 00:00 wizzyrea i think he could benefit a lot from trolling us in real time. 00:00 jcamins I think we should just install our own libc with Koha. 00:00 gmcharlt eythian++ 00:00 cjh eythian++