Time  Nick                 Message
00:00 cjh                  eythian++
00:00 gmcharlt             eythian++
00:00 jcamins              I think we should just install our own libc with Koha.
00:00 wizzyrea             i think he could benefit a lot from trolling us in real time.
00:00 eythian              it better be µlibc, none of this big bloated stuff!
00:01 jcamins              Or vmlinuz.
00:02 gmcharlt             might be dangerous
00:02 gmcharlt             best to delete it
00:02 jeff                 can't read it, don't trust it, better rm it.
00:02 rangi                heh
00:03 rangi                jeff: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-May/039407.html
00:03 rangi                for context
00:04 jeff                 thanks. i need to re-up my subscriptions.
00:17 jeff                 2128 new objects since last git pull. looks like it's been a while.
00:19 wizzyrea             :)
00:24 mtj                  hey peeps, can anyone get a cron sorted to rebuild Koha's schema page?
00:25 * mtj                thinks that might be rangi's linode?
00:26 rangi                it needs to much massaging to be cronable
00:26 rangi                ill do it when i get round to it
00:28 jcamins              It requires massaging? Eww.
00:28 eythian              jcamins: schemaist
00:28 mtj                  hey chris… aah ok - i know i bugged you about it a while ago
00:28 rangi                to get the comments into a format that schema can use
00:28 rangi                schemaspy even
00:29 mtj                  i assumed it was just running a script at midnite, etc...
00:29 jcamins              Right, but it seems like it should be automatic.
00:29 rangi                nope
00:29 rangi                differnet things break everytime
00:30 mtj                  the comments in the .sql file make SchemaSpy barf :/
00:31 rangi                exactly, so i have some perl to fix that
00:31 jcamins              Someone should patch that.
00:31 * jcamins            looks pointedly at mtj.
00:31 cjh                  is it possible to make a specific comment format part of our coding guidelines?
00:31 cjh                  ie; a format that doesnt make schemaspy barf
00:32 rangi                possibly
00:32 rangi                but now i have to go eat curry
00:33 jcamins              Aww. Didn't work.
00:34 mtj                  i dont mind having a go at trying to fix it
00:35 * mtj                thinks it would be a worthy thing to sort
00:43 tweetbot             [off] twitter: @glassfugue: "Where can I find out about #KohaILS and federated search?"
01:03 eythian              http://fakescience.org/post/51572402707/your-weight-on-each-planet
02:11 eythian              wahanui: survivorship bias is <reply>http://youarenotsosmart.com/2013/05/23/survivorship-bias/
02:11 wahanui              OK, eythian.
03:08 mtompset             Greetings, #koha.
03:08 mtompset             I'm back to try to uncover my searching failures again.
03:09 mtompset             The last suggestion was permissions problem.
03:09 mtompset             What permissions and where should I check?
03:10 mtj                  the perms of your zebra index files
03:11 mtj                  the common mistake is that people run zebrasrv as root
03:11 mtj                  … which then changes the permissions of the index/db files to root
03:12 mtj                  and then attempt to run zebrasrv as another user, which doesnt have permission to read/write those files anymore
03:12 mtompset             my zebra is running as me.
03:12 mtompset             where are the zebra files in a typical git install?
03:13 mtj                  pass...
03:13 eythian              dev-directory/var/lib/koha or somewhere like that I think
03:13 eythian              but really, it can be anywhere. That's the point of a dev install.
03:14 mtompset             Thanks... that was the general pointer I needed... and nope... they are all mtompset.mtompset :(
03:15 eythian              _all_ of them, not just the directories?
03:15 mtompset             Yep.
03:15 mtompset             All of them.
03:15 eythian              OK.
03:16 mtompset             I didn't figure I messed up a fresh install.
03:16 eythian              in that case, I'd fire up zebrasrv manually in debug mode and see what happens when you do a search of it from Koha.
03:16 eythian              it'll probably output an error or something somewhere.
03:17 mtompset             so stop the koha zebra service and then run the zebrasrv manually with a debug flag?
03:17 mtj                  yep
03:17 mtj                  $ zebrasrv -f ~/path/to/koha-conf.xml
03:18 mtj                  do a search, and watch the terminal for info...
03:18 eythian              and a debug flag
03:18 eythian              I don't know what that is, but it's probably something obvious
03:19 mtompset             -v all to log everything?
03:19 eythian              I dunno
03:19 eythian              look in the man page
03:21 mtompset             I think I have it... now to try a search.
03:24 mtompset             Okay... now how do I make sense of the output?
03:24 mtompset             paste?
03:24 wahanui              I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org
03:24 eythian              You squint at it just right, and it'll start to make some sort of sense.
03:25 pastebot             "mtompset" at pasted "koha search debug dump" (236 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/28
03:26 rangi                id run it first with just -f
03:26 mtj                  yeah, the debug is often overkill
03:26 rangi                youll get less noise
03:26 rangi                but here is the line
03:26 rangi                the one that says ERROR
03:26 rangi                23:21:55-28/05 zebrasrv(1) 40d7fc4f357f0000 [request] Search biblios ERROR 120 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 power @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 power @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 power @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 power @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "power? " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 power
03:26 rangi                23:21:55-28/05 zebrasrv(1) 40d7fc4f357f0000 [debug]   result immediately available
03:27 mtompset             Okay, so what does that mean?
03:27 rangi                runcation other than right truncation returns an unsupported truncation attribute error, error 120, when using the ICU. See Zebra bug 2049, Truncation=regular does not work with ICU normalized terms. A patch to fix right truncation was committed in 2008. The remaining unfixed aspects of the bug were marked won't fix on 21 October 2010 by Sebastian Hammer as part of a systematic closing of some open bugs for which a fix was neither readily apparent nor fu
03:28 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2049 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, OPAC could show rank in Hold Queue
03:28 rangi                helpfully indexdata have switched to jira
03:28 rangi                so you cant see that bug anymore
03:29 rangi                but what it means to me is, switch icu off
03:29 mtompset             okay... how do I switch icu off?
03:30 rangi                dunno, ive had enough googling for today :)
03:30 mtompset             well, thank you for at least pointing me in a direction.
03:31 mtompset             I think I'll just dump the DB, remake from the git but choose chr, and then reimport the data, rather than google. :P
03:32 eythian              none of those are your problem
03:32 eythian              it's specifically your zebra config
03:32 eythian              well, except the chr bit
03:33 mtompset             right, but if I back up to where I started to do the icu, and choose chr, then I know it will work.
03:33 mtompset             I know... it's overkill.
03:33 eythian              you'd learn more by figuring out how to convert it
03:34 mtompset             and increase the chance of making another mistake which ripples into several others? No thanks.
03:35 mtj                  sounds like a general no-no for using ICU with zebra
03:35 eythian              ICU is needed for some things
03:35 eythian              I think
03:35 rangi                there are ways to do it correctly, cait knows them
03:35 rangi                hebrew and arabic at least need it
03:36 mtj                  right, i kinda recall that too
03:36 mtj                  hmm, a tricky situation :/
03:37 rangi                you could turn the query parser thing on or off too
03:37 rangi                see if that makes a different
03:37 rangi                difference even
03:37 rangi                in the search sysprefs
03:37 mtj                  mtompset, curious…. have you made many mods to your zebra config files?
03:38 mtompset             heck no! default is good. leave as much as possible as default!
03:38 mtj                  ok, good to know
03:39 mtompset             oh, another question... unrelated to zebra.
03:40 mtompset             let's say we do the db upgrade and get "errors".
03:40 mtj                  it sounds like a legit, reproducible bug
03:40 mtompset             I was reading the MySQL documentation, and the updatedatabase.pl code.
03:41 mtompset             could we add INSERT IGNORE instead of just INSERT for every one of them?
03:41 mtj                  meh.. great to set apache/ASF are running jira for all their projects too :/
03:42 mtj                  s/set/see/
03:42 rangi                theyve always been opensource not free software people
03:43 rangi                its a mysqlism mtompset
03:43 rangi                not standard ansi sql
03:43 rangi                we probably shouldnt introduce those
03:43 mtompset             Ah... we do have some of those in already. That's why I was asking.
03:43 rangi                since we are going to have to move from mysql sooner or later when oracle totally borks it
03:44 mtompset             good point. :)
03:52 cjh                  and sometimes the errors can be a symptom of a problem, I think it is generally better to see them and choose to ignore them
03:55 mtompset             From an end-user perspective, I'd much rather not see them. however, if they were logged somewhere, that would aid debugging. :)
03:55 * eythian            does not recommend the head-in-sand approach to upgrading
03:55 mtompset             BTW, chr reinstall for the win. I can search for power again. :)
03:56 cjh                  mtompset: it is generally assumed that the person performing the upgrade is checking for errors, having them in a different place makes it less obvious
03:57 cjh                  it should be rare for a non-technical user to be seeing those errors :)
03:59 mtompset             Hmm... Those assumptions make me curious as to how many people actually come here in the middle of an upgrade because of those mysql duplicate inserts "errors".
04:00 mtompset             Well, I think I best be off. Meetings and more meetings tomorrow.
04:01 mtompset             Thanks for the help figuring out what the cause of my zebra searching problems were. :)
04:01 mtompset             rangi++
04:01 mtompset             eythian++
04:01 mtompset             mtj++
04:02 mtompset             Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :)
04:03 trea                 where is publication date going to be stored in the database?
04:04 eythian              trea: the 260$c or the one in 008 or whatever it is?
04:04 trea                 ah, right. the 008 perhaps
04:05 eythian              trick question, I don't think either of them are.
04:06 eythian              though apparently 326$a goes into volumedesc which may be a date
04:06 trea                 mmm. i have an issue where searches by pubdate don't seem to be working.
04:07 cjh                  there is also a publisheddate on serial, although I doubt that is what you are looking for
04:07 trea                 i was wondering if might be related to bug 9368
04:07 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9368 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , specific behavior of yr and acqdate indexes
04:07 eythian              trea: Is the date in 008 real? Often it's not.
04:07 eythian              this is something we see a lot, particularly sorting a search by publication date.
04:08 trea                 that's what i'm wondering - if the date is erroneous, and needs to be populated from somewhere else.
04:09 eythian              It ought to be added when cataloguing. The one is 260$c is free-form and so often not useful.
04:09 eythian              *in
04:13 eythian              anyone know if Koha works with tinymce 3? We seem to be including tinymce2 which is 5+ years old and no longer maintained.
04:14 * eythian            finds out
04:18 cjh                  go eythian ! you can do it!
04:22 eythian              good news: it does
04:22 eythian              this means we don't need a separate package for wheezy and squeeze.
04:23 trea                 ooo
04:27 cjh                  confetti
04:27 wahanui              o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
04:37 mtj                  eythian++ thats awesome news
04:39 mtj                  oh fyi: remember the weird xsltproc error i had last week… it was caused by some glitchy chars in a bib :/
04:40 eythian              ah right, so not real UTF8 or something?
04:40 eythian              surprised it got parsed at all in that case...
04:40 mtj                  yeah, some strange trailing chars, in the 245b sub-title field
04:43 mtj                  i never got round to finding out were the bib came from, and if the source record was glitched too
04:43 mtj                  i just edited the field, and teh problem solved
04:46 mtj                  hmm, i wonder if its possible to wrap that xsltproc code in a eval, so that it wouldnt be fatal?
04:47 eythian              it probably would be, but you've also got to know how to handle the error at all.
04:51 mtj                  yeah, i can see that it might be tricky thing to do well
04:54 cjh                  koha packaging really is awesome
05:06 cjh                  evening cait :)
05:07 cait                 morning cjh :)
05:08 eythian              hi cait
05:08 cait                 hi eythian
05:35 eythian              I'm hoping to prepare a master package with Bug 10367 tomorrow, and possibly move it into the older packages too.
05:35 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy
05:35 eythian              but in the meantime, if anyone wants to experiment, that's where you do it.
05:57 cait                 eythian++ :)
06:37 alex_away            hello
06:37 wahanui              kai ora, alex_away
06:37 dcook                hey #koha
06:37 dcook                I was wondering why you all were so quiet today, and then I realize that my Xchat had froze hours ago...:p
06:39 christophe_c         hello #koha
06:40 dcook                hey ya christophe_c
06:41 reiveune             hello
06:42 cait                 @wunder Konstanz
06:42 huginn`              cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.8°C (8:40 AM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
06:42 cait                 hi dcook
06:42 cait                 glad it's thawed now
06:42 dcook                salut reiveune, hey cait :)
06:42 dcook                @wunder sydney, australia
06:42 huginn`              dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (4:30 PM EST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:43 cait                 perfect weather for a long weekend *grump*
06:43 dcook                That can't be right...
06:43 reiveune             hi dcook, cait :)
06:43 * cait               wll walk to work in the rain now... again
06:43 cait                 bbl
06:44 christophe_c         hi dcook ;-)
06:51 dcook                Comment allez-vous en France?
06:51 dcook                @wunder marseille
06:51 huginn`              dcook: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
07:08 asaurat              hi!
07:11 kf                   good morning #koha
07:14 amitgupta_           heya bag
07:23 gaetan_B             hello
07:44 drojf                good morning #koha
07:45 dcook                hey ya drojf
07:45 drojf                hi dcook
07:45 dcook                How's the day treating you so far?
07:46 drojf                i overslept and feel like i haven't slept at all :D and you?
07:47 dcook                Friend just cancelled on me (too much  homework), so now I'm weighing up my options post-work. Torn between reading a book, Koha stuff, and updating my library technology blog...
07:47 dcook                I'm thinking the book might be winning at the moment ;)
07:51 drojf                :)
07:52 dcook                En fait, I think it's time to head home
07:52 dcook                Tempted to set up Postfix for my Koha at home...maybe tomorrow..
07:52 dcook                Have a good day, drojf (and everyone else!)
07:55 amitgupta_           bag around
07:55 amitgupta_           ?
08:51 paul_p               rangi about ?
08:51 rangi                yep
08:52 tweetbot             [off] twitter: @jsicot: "Qq1 aurait-il une jolie procédure toute faite pour le module inventaire de #KohaILS ? cc @SoniaBouis @mdelhaye @tredok ou autres ? #thx"
08:53 paul_p               rangi = do you think we need 1 full hour for koha history ? I think we can take one hour, but is it the best option ?
08:53 paul_p               rangi = 2nd question: do we plan to show the movie you made for KohaCon10 (maybe updated for the last 3 years) ?
08:54 rangi                yep
08:54 rangi                i think now its 4 more years since 2009 and we took an hour then
08:54 rangi                we have even more to cover
08:54 rangi                so i think an hour will be about right
08:54 paul_p               ok, then one hour including the movie is OK. I answer that I'm fine with 1 hour ;-)
08:55 rangi                maybe 50 mins talking and updated moving
08:55 kf                   i think it's an important session :)
08:55 rangi                movie
08:55 rangi                its only boring for us cos we know it :-)
08:55 kf                   looking forward to see the 2 of you doing it :)
08:55 paul_p               rangi lol ;-)
09:01 gaetan_B             kf: hello :) do you have an idea why the "in transit from ..." string doesn't seem to be translatable ?
09:01 kf                   hm yes, because it was a bug... and i guess it should have been fixed even by now
09:01 kf                   i saw a patch for that
09:03 kf                   bug 10083
09:03 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface
09:03 gaetan_B             ah yes
09:03 gaetan_B             i guess i could sign off on this then :)
09:04 gaetan_B             i'll have a look thanks !
09:04 kf                   it's been pushed already
09:04 kf                   but only for intranet, not sure where you see it happen
09:04 kf                   should be in 3.12
09:04 gaetan_B             oh ok it's still in need signoff but that's for 3.10
09:04 kf                   ah
09:04 kf                   makes sense
09:31 rangi                im looking forward to gaetan_B's presentation
09:31 gaetan_B             :D
09:31 gaetan_B             i think there might have been some exageration or misunderstanding going on
09:31 gaetan_B             but i'll try my best :D
09:32 rangi                hehe
09:32 gaetan_B             my idea was a presentation about koha project management in varied contexts, and trying to focus on the more exotic ones to make it funnier and have some interesting anecdotes to tell
09:33 gaetan_B             but i like "funny stories" as a topic too
09:33 gaetan_B             so
09:33 rangi                :-)
09:33 gaetan_B             challenge accepted
09:33 rangi                someone had koha running on a playstation 2
09:33 gaetan_B             :D
09:34 gaetan_B             i'll have a hard time coming up with something that crazy though !
09:35 kf                   gaetan_B: looking forward to your presentation too :)
09:36 rangi                who else from biblibre is coming?
09:36 rangi                you and paul_p ?
09:37 paul_p               rangi and fridolyn
09:37 rangi                oh cool
09:37 paul_p               so 3 of us (unless there's some financial problem, which is not expected ;-) )
09:38 rangi                after that i think only Joubu will be the only one i havent met?
09:39 paul_p               rangi mmm... there are some newcomers you haven't met : sonia (support team) & corinne (librarian project manager, will replace francois that is moving to canada)
09:41 paul_p               rangi and I think you haven't met Laurence (something like CTO) and Stéphane (Delaye, librarian project manager). Not sure you're met the other Stéphane (Delaune, migration specialist)
09:42 rangi                hmm maybe not
09:42 kf                   rangi: you should come to marseille next year ;)
09:43 rangi                oh i didnt know francharb was going to canada
09:43 rangi                to quebec?
09:43 rangi                he saw there are 2 koha jobs going in montreal eh? :-)
09:45 rangi                kf: you need to tell my boss that :)
09:48 kf                   :)
09:55 cjh                  rangi: I cant seem to push to 3.8.x, I get Pushing to git://git.koha-community.org/koha
09:55 cjh                  fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
09:55 cjh                  I have tried from work and home with my new key added to ssh-agent
09:57 rangi                how are you pushing?
09:57 rangi                git push gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.8.x:3.8.x
09:57 rangi                ?
09:58 cjh                  ohhh derp, my kc remote has never pushed before so is wrong. this is what I get for pushing late at night :)
09:58 cjh                  ty :)
09:58 rangi                no worries
10:04 cjh                  and all is well :)
10:04 rangi                sweet
10:04 kf                   cjh++ rangi++
10:05 cjh                  what is the proper protocol for asking for a patch to be rebased for 3.8.x? I just asked for bug 10178 and am wondering if I need to change a status or anything similar
10:05 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21
10:07 rangi                i just note on the bug
10:08 rangi                like you did
10:08 cjh                  awesome, it didnt seem like there was an obvious status to use, ty.
10:10 jenkins_koha         Starting build #318 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:10 cjh                  phewf
10:32 rangi                right must be time for sleep
10:39 kf                   good ngiht rangi
10:47 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_3.8.x build #318: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/318/
10:48 jenkins_koha         * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in subscription-add.tt : 2/years should be 2/year
10:48 jenkins_koha         * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt
10:48 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10186 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Typo in subscription-add.tt (years vs year)
10:48 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10191 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , 2 option tags are not closed in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt
10:48 druthb               @quote random
10:48 huginn`              druthb: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 07:12 PM, September 25, 2009)
10:52 kf                   @wunder Konstanz
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10:53 druthb               @wunder 77098
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11:19 samueld              hi everybody
11:24 samueld              we have a problem with our opac today. When we search, it gives no results. An idea?
11:25 kf                   is your zebrasrv process running?
11:30 samueld              yes, no problem
11:31 samueld              the professional search works fine
11:35 kf                   have you activated the opacsuppression ?
11:35 kf                   it's a system preference and might give you problems until you actually have a suppressed record
11:36 samueld              no
11:36 kf                   same is true i think for some other 'hidden' things, like hiding lots or damaged items by pref
11:45 samueld              I think  i've found an interesting information in log
11:47 samueld              when i look at koha-zebradaemon-output-log, i've the following message "[fatal] lock file /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [permission denied]
12:14 oleonard             Hi #koha
12:14 druthb               hi, oleonard!
12:14 jcamins              Good morning, oleonard! I have a question for you...
12:14 * oleonard           reaches for the coffee
12:15 jcamins              What do you think of this as a warning that an invoice number is duplicted: http://screencast.com/t/8IMSiTiFudLv
12:17 * druthb             would prefer something more…direct.  "What the ^@$%^ are you tryin' to do here?"
12:17 jcamins              lol
12:17 * druthb             is just evil like that.
12:23 oleonard             Sorry jcamins, got interrupted here.
12:23 oleonard             I think that looks good, based on my limited understanding of acquisitions
12:24 jcamins              Thanks.
12:24 jcamins              I was more concerned in terms of Koha look-and-feel.
12:25 oleonard             No problems there. Although it looks like there is date format inconsistency.
12:25 jcamins              Oh, yeah, I can fix that.
12:29 oleonard             Dammit, IE10 installed itself without asking.
12:30 oleonard             IE--
12:30 jcamins              IE--
12:31 oleonard             I guess I should be grateful that those people who actually use IE will get IE10 automatically.
12:31 oleonard             I should consider this Microsoft's way of giving me permission to ignore older versions.
12:31 jcamins              mtj: you know about the script that checks if each record is indexed, right?
12:31 druthb               IE—  # band-wagonning.
12:32 mtj                  heya jcamins, hmmm, no i didnt
12:32 jcamins              mtj: yeah, that script might save you some time. :)
12:33 mtj                  i was thinking of a simple script that checked the perms on the various zebra files
12:33 jcamins              Ah.
12:33 mtj                  as a starter...
12:33 jcamins              It doesn't do that, so I guess that won't save any time.
12:33 jcamins              I tried...
12:34 mtj                  people bump into problems often with bad file perms for zebra
12:35 mtj                  ...a simple script to detect that would be a quick win
12:35 jcamins              They certainly do.
12:38 kf                   jcamins: why does your table have so many lines?
12:38 kf                   it looks mor like you are doing this based on aqorders than on aqinvoices?
12:38 jcamins              kf: because "333" is what I always type when creating an invoice.
12:38 jcamins              Nope.
12:38 kf                   k :)
12:39 kf                   also you have a capitalization error there :P
12:39 kf                   invoice No.
12:39 jcamins              Ooh, thanks!
12:39 jcamins              I missed that.
12:39 kf                   you are welcome :)
12:39 kf                   i am terrible about consistency.... oleonard - sorry for all the bugs
12:40 oleonard             kf: Bugs?
12:40 wahanui              Bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release
12:40 kf                   oleonard: i filed lots and some of them went to you by default... it's not a problem if you haven't noticed yet :)
12:41 druthb               wahanui:  botsnack chocolate-covered ants
12:41 wahanui              thanks druthb :)
12:41 kf                   druthb: i want some too!
12:41 druthb               kfsnack cookie
12:41 kf                   i have heard ants taste nutty
12:42 druthb               you're welcome to my share, then.
12:42 druthb               ick ick ick...
12:42 kf                   hehe
12:42 kf                   do you really have some?
12:42 druthb               no.  I hear that insects are a valuable source of protein in much of the world—I'm glad it's not a routine part of *my* diet.
12:44 dcook                I could see ants possibly being good in chocolate...
12:44 kf                   dcook: go to bed!
12:45 Dyrcona              chocolate covered chocolate.....mmmmmm.....
12:45 Dyrcona              :)
12:46 kf                   yeah how can something chocolate covered be wrong? :)
12:46 kf                   well ok... there might be options to get it wrong
12:49 dcook                kf: It's only 10:49pm!
12:49 khall                http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/31/yes-you-should-rewrite-it-no-not-like-that/  = http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10374
12:49 huginn`              04Bug 10374: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Clean up and unify CircControl related code
12:49 dcook                Slowly but surely getting my home Koha set up the way I want it :)
12:50 khall                mornin kf et al!
12:50 dcook                morning khall
12:50 dcook                Errr late evening!
12:50 khall                heh
12:51 kf                   hi khall
13:10 dcook                Yay...allowed a little hole through my firewall so I can access Koha on my LAN from my laptop...
13:10 dcook                Slowly but surely, I'll get this networking thing :p
13:11 kf                   :)
13:35 kf                   samueld: the error youshowed earlier probably means that the permissions are the problem
13:35 kf                   i got distracted, sorry
13:36 samueld              <kf> i've checked  the ownership but not the permissions.
13:36 kf                   normally it's the ownership
13:37 kf                   it shoudl be owned by your koha/zebra user
13:38 samueld              yes, i've made chown -R /home/koha
13:39 kf                   hm
13:39 kf                   have you been looking at the right files?
13:39 kf                   how is your installation set up?
13:39 kf                   is it a git installation?
13:39 samueld              <kf> it's a git install
13:39 kf                   the zebra files would be duplicated in that case, and the one being used are normally in a directory like /home/koha-dev
13:40 kf                   hm home/koha/koha-dev... or something like that
13:40 samueld              it's in /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb
13:40 kf                   hm, that's a bit weird for a git installation
13:41 samueld              i think but not sure
13:42 kf                   hmright I see that it says it shoudl be there
13:42 kf                   /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid
13:42 kf                   have you checked if that path and the file do exist?
13:43 samueld              yes, path and file are ok
13:59 kf                   samueld: hm sorry, running out of ideas
13:59 kf                   but for a git install the path is still irritating me
14:01 samueld              <kf> no,this is not a problem of path and we had until today no problems
14:06 dcook                Huzzah...figured out how to use the ServerName directive (coupled with etc/hosts) to access Koha (on the LAN) using textual names rather than IP addresses. Yayyy.
14:06 dcook                DNS another day...
14:06 * dcook              is heading to bed
14:33 gmcharlt             @quote random
14:33 huginn`              gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011)
14:35 druthb               lulz
14:37 kf                   @quote random
14:37 huginn`              kf: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010)
14:39 druthb               @quote random
14:39 huginn`              druthb: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:08 AM, November 14, 2009)
14:40 * druthb             blinks
14:44 oleonard             rhcl: tip: don't pet a burning dog.
14:44 rhcl                 ah, alll righty then....no pet burning dogs.
14:44 rhcl                 well, good morning #koha
14:45 huginn`              New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0eeb00d48892c2ea7f42d787dae10364537ed6f>
14:50 rambutan1            can a sysop kick "rhcl" and "rambutan" plz?
14:50 druthb               never know when a spare rambutan will come in handy...
14:51 oleonard             Especially considering how hard they are to come by.
14:51 rambutan1            I really don't like the thunderbird chat client. I don't have it open, but somehow it keeps and retains logins, and I can't "quit" out of it
14:52 rambutan1            ok, that got one of 'em
14:55 oleonard             rambutan1: Is the Thunderbird chat client Chatzilla? You can run that as a standalone if you want.
14:56 jenkins_koha         Starting build #1206 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:56 huginn`              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9763 - Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12afa055545aef68d5b0c64931af14c505dcdf0a> / Bug 10359: transform masthead dropdown after user JS for CCSR <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff2b4d1ff5992989478f83517d95f957c4af50d4>
14:56 rambutan1            I don't know if it is or not, might be. It's strange because slash quit doesn't seem to do anything, and even if you close the chat tab the logins remain
14:59 oleonard             Chatzilla has been my favorite IRC client for ages.
15:08 reiveune             bye
15:17 huginn`              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10367 - update the rules and control file for wheezy <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=55f3553b25629cb24643dafd004786fe05629d81>
15:47 huginn`              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9773 - Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a90a72c62dcfcbb1989d5ea60a80f51bcee8a23d>
15:48 tcohen               got my visa #koha
15:48 tcohen               :-D
15:49 oleonard             Great news tcohen
15:50 tcohen               thanks oleonard
16:02 drojf                "2) Test with Internet Explorer" is a rather unfortunate detail of a test plan
16:03 druthb               3) Beat head against wall
16:03 drojf                :)
16:03 druthb               4) Curse Micro$oft
16:03 drojf                hi druthb
16:03 druthb               5) Document, "This doesn't work with IE. Of course."
16:08 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1206: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1206/
16:08 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT
16:08 jenkins_koha         * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10359: transform masthead dropdown after user JS for CCSR
16:08 jenkins_koha         * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9763 - Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl
16:08 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10292 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , XSLT files always taken from 'prog' theme for English
16:08 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10359 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , CCSR theme should apply jqTransform after OpacUserJS
16:08 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9763 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl
16:09 jenkins_koha         Starting build #1207 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:09 pianohacker          'allo
16:13 cait                 hi pianohacker :)
16:13 pianohacker          hey cait
16:13 gaetan_B             bye !
16:14 cait                 gmcharlt++ :)
16:15 gmcharlt             hi cait, pianohacker
16:15 pianohacker          gmcharlt!
16:15 wahanui              somebody said gmcharlt was an expert in all things library technology.
16:15 pianohacker          indeed
16:15 pianohacker          gmcharlt: What are you up to these days, anyway?
16:16 oleonard             He's busy benevolently ruling over us all
16:16 cait                 yep
16:16 cait                 he is RM, he does not have time to be up to anything! :P
16:16 pianohacker          even benevolent dictators need a hobby ;)
16:17 * cait               runs out to shop some spaghetti sauce ingredients :)
16:17 pianohacker          ooh, homemade spaghetti sauce
16:17 gmcharlt             pianohacker: oh, mostly exploring the new neighborhood (AKA Seattle)
16:17 pianohacker          *drool*
16:17 pianohacker          gmcharlt: Nice! Why the move?
16:18 gmcharlt             Marlene got a job at Seattle Public
16:19 pianohacker          very nice
16:27 rambutan1            I hear they have coffee in Seattle.
16:29 pianohacker          and rain, but apparently the coffee's so good it makes up for the weather
16:29 pianohacker          which is saying something
16:30 rambutan1            Yea, the few times I've passed through Seattle I was never able to see that big hill they have there due to the fog, clouds and rain
16:30 rambutan1            but everything sure was green
16:30 gmcharlt             yes, it was quite a revelation one day when we were driving south on I-5
16:30 gmcharlt             ... MOUNTAIN
16:31 gmcharlt             (first clear day in quite a while, of course)
16:34 pianohacker          gmcharlt: By the way, Koha history question. Who do we have to thank for our zebra configs? Even just a simple bit of poking at pazpar2 has been... painful to say the least, can't imagine the work involved in getting something as complex as Zebra happy
16:35 bag                  http://google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=2bc4b428905fc95&source=fb
16:35 * bag                went through his first earthquake this morning
16:35 druthb               whoa!
16:36 druthb               wahanui:  blame?
16:36 wahanui              I blame gmcharlt; he's the RM, after all.
16:36 pianohacker          usgs earthquake team woot woot
16:37 gmcharlt             pianohacker: checking ... I have a suspicion
16:37 pianohacker          gmcharlt: thanks!
16:37 bag                  Who needs coffee when you get an earthquake like that?
16:37 * oleonard           has an air-tight alibi
16:38 druthb               any damage in your area, bag?
16:38 bag                  no damage reported
16:39 bag                  a few things fell off the shelves here - but nothing broke
16:39 druthb               tha's good.
16:39 bag                  both Aloo and Ginny were pretty excited - like WHAT JUST HAPPENED?
16:40 druthb               hey!  Isn't Ginny coming up on a birthday?
16:40 druthb               Enjoy it while she's little, bag—I just put my minion on a plane to DC to visit friends for the week, and then she's getting back, and starting to plan her moving out.
16:40 bag                  very soon June 20th
16:41 bag                  awwhh too fast :)
16:41 gmcharlt             pianohacker: thought so
16:41 pianohacker          oh?
16:42 bag                  kados
16:42 gmcharlt             based on textual evidence, it originated from the marc21.abs distributed with Zebra itself
16:42 druthb               First time Lindsey's flown alone.  I dropped her at Hobby, got out and hugged her…she got her bag, then stopped and hugged me again.
16:42 bag                  that's sweet druthb
16:42 gmcharlt             of course, with a ton of subsequent updates, including from (yes) kados, as well as slef and rch
16:43 gmcharlt             and quite a lot of help and discussion with the IndexData folks
16:46 gmcharlt             bag: there has been at least one occassion where I've known that an earthquake has happened because my cats started growling for no apparent reason
16:46 bag                  ha
16:46 pianohacker          gmcharlt++
16:54 druthb               "When you find yourself in the company of a halfling and an ill-tempered dragon, remember, you do not have to outrun the dragon…"  (spotted on a t-shirt here at cPanel)
16:55 gmcharlt             druthb: dragons only eat appetizers and never move on to the main course? ;)
16:57 pianohacker          just hope that halflings are chewy :)
16:57 druthb               Crunchy, and good with ketchup.
17:00 druthb               gmcharlt, you pose an interesting question…let's ask a halfling.  bag still around?
17:01 druthb               Hm.  Maybe he got eaten by a dragon.
17:01 druthb               tsk
17:01 oleonard             How careless.
17:02 * pianohacker        laughs the quiet giggle of someone whose bossman is being harassed
17:02 druthb               he gets too bossy, pianohacker, just smack him with a trout or something.
17:03 bag                  I'm still here
17:03 * druthb             loox innocent
17:03 bag                  sweet t-shirt
17:03 pianohacker          druthb: I'm not sure you know how :P
17:03 druthb               There are a *lot* of ThinkGeek fans around here.
17:04 druthb               I'm trying to pick out a couple of new tees from there, m'self, just for funsies.  Might wear some of 'em at KohaCon.
17:04 druthb               like "Any fool can use a computer.  Many do."
17:04 pianohacker          hah! excellent
17:05 pianohacker          I'm _really_ tempted to try and make a small hole in my semester for a nevada road trip
17:05 druthb               dooo eeet
17:07 druthb               Ooh.  "Either you like bacon, or you're wrong."  <3
17:08 pianohacker          druthb: My mom, after 15 years of vegetarianism, doesn't miss any meat
17:08 pianohacker          ... except bacon :)
17:08 druthb               seeeee?
17:09 pianohacker          she has to leave the kitchen when my dad and I cook it
17:12 druthb               pianohacker:http://www.fivefingertees.com/the-bacon-pyramid-t-shirt.html
17:18 oleonard             http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f20f/
17:19 druthb               lol.  "Come to the dork side…we have <symbol:pi>"
17:22 Dyrcona              lol
17:23 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1207: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1207/
17:23 jenkins_koha         * Robin Sheat: Bug 10367 - update the rules and control file for wheezy
17:23 jenkins_koha         * Owen Leonard: Bug 9773 - Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery
17:23 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy
17:23 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9773 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery
17:24 jenkins_koha         Starting build #1208 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:45 jcamins              @librarian
17:45 huginn`              jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:45 jcamins              Hm. Guess huginn doesn't have that plugin.
17:47 oleonard             What were you expecting jcamins?
17:47 jcamins              oleonard: in #evergreen that rolls you a librarian character for DND.
17:49 cait                 oooh
17:49 cait                 *want*
17:49 jcamins              Join #evergreen and you can have it. ;)
17:49 cait                 heh
17:49 cait                 tryingto get rid of  me? :)
17:49 * jcamins            is on #evergreen.
17:51 cait                 morning rangi?
17:53 gmcharlt             @librarian
17:53 huginn`              gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:53 gmcharlt             hmm
17:55 gmcharlt             @dnd
17:55 huginn`              gmcharlt: strength:11 dexterity:11 constitution:7 intelligence:9 wisdom:15 charisma:9
17:56 pianohacker          excellent :)
17:56 pianohacker          @dnd
17:56 huginn`              pianohacker: strength:9 dexterity:17 constitution:13 intelligence:7 wisdom:13 charisma:17
17:58 gmcharlt             @librarian
17:58 huginn`              gmcharlt: Management:13, Cataloging:11, Acquisitions:13, Reference:6, Circulation:11, Systems:15, Research:11, Custodial:9
17:58 jcamins              Woohoo!
17:58 jcamins              gmcharlt++
17:58 jcamins              @librarian
17:58 huginn`              jcamins: Management:7, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:9, Reference:13, Circulation:11, Systems:7, Research:15, Custodial:15
17:58 jcamins              Hm.
17:58 jcamins              That's wrong.
17:59 jcamins              Acquisitions should be -5000000.
18:00 drojf                @librarian
18:00 huginn`              drojf: Management:11, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:14, Reference:7, Circulation:14, Systems:11, Research:17, Custodial:12
18:00 drojf                there is no "marc bashing"?
18:00 jcamins              lol
18:01 jcamins              @developer
18:01 huginn`              jcamins: Communication:17, BigPicture:6, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:13, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:11, JavaAvoidance:11
18:01 jcamins              ^^ there's JavaAvoidance.
18:01 drojf                lol
18:02 cait                 @librariandeveloper :P
18:02 huginn`              cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:02 cait                 @librarian
18:02 huginn`              cait: Management:10, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:10, Reference:5, Circulation:11, Systems:10, Research:9, Custodial:14
18:02 cait                 no double classes?
18:03 cait                 @developer
18:03 huginn`              cait: Communication:18, BigPicture:10, DetailOriented:15, KungFu:12, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:10, JavaAvoidance:12
18:03 cait                 detailoriented 15 yay!
18:04 pianohacker          @developer
18:04 huginn`              pianohacker: Communication:12, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:15, GetsStuffDone:16, FlakeFactor:16, JavaAvoidance:16
18:04 pianohacker          oh wow
18:04 pianohacker          dice_superstition++
18:04 cait                 oh wow
18:04 cait                 @developer
18:05 huginn`              cait: Communication:9, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:15, KungFu:18, GetsStuffDone:13, FlakeFactor:7, JavaAvoidance:10
18:05 pianohacker          java--
18:06 pianohacker          @karma java
18:06 huginn`              pianohacker: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5.
18:06 pianohacker          good
18:06 pianohacker          though
18:06 pianohacker          @karma perl
18:06 huginn`              pianohacker: Karma for "perl" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
18:06 pianohacker          haha perfect
18:23 druthb               perldancer++
18:42 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1208: SUCCESS in 1 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1208/
19:28 rangi                mtj-- #starting the livedvd madness again
19:28 * rangi              deletes that thread unread
19:32 bag                  hey rangi - earthquake this morning in SB
19:33 rangi                big one?
19:34 bag                  4.6 - big for me :)
19:34 bag                  no damage - just some things knocked off the shelves
19:37 rangi                yeah 4 is pretty decent
19:37 rangi                if its not deep
19:37 * cait               waves
19:38 pianohacker          8 km deep according to USGS: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ci15350729#summary
19:39 rangi                yeah that would be shaky
19:39 jcamins              Again?
19:39 jcamins              Good grief.
19:43 mtj                  i have to confess… the thought of actually discussing the topic during the meeting, is just as inane as reading about it on the list
19:43 oleonard             What do you think can be accomplished at the meeting mtj?
19:43 mtj                  i might quit while i'm ahead, and remove it from the meeting agenda
19:44 rangi                mtj++ #i was just being a dick
19:44 rangi                but yeah, i dont think more discussion will result in anything
19:44 bag                  just being a deck :P
19:46 mtj                  bag, thats the aussies - kiwis are ducks
19:46 bag                  :)
19:49 mtj                  oleonard, i was hoping for a focused discussion on how we might support a livedvd, during the meeting
19:50 oleonard             Support in what way? Technical support?
19:50 mtj                  yep, all of that complex stuff
19:51 mtj                  where to log bugs, where to send patches, etc...
19:51 rangi                to vimal
19:51 mtj                  would we need a git repo for the livedvd?
19:51 rangi                basically id just say we dont support it
19:51 oleonard             Yeah, the essence of the issue is that none of us want to deal with it.
19:51 oleonard             Vimal wants to make one, so Vimal gets all the jobs.
19:52 oleonard             Not sure what there is to discuss.
19:55 mtj                  i honestly dont think Vimal is aware of these issues
19:55 gmcharlt             that would be a problem ... if it's an "official" LiveDVD, we shouldn't let it get divorced from the main project
19:56 mtj                  ... so the meeting could have been a good time for various people to make those various points
19:56 oleonard             mtj: Not aware that we don't all want to field questions about the LiveDVD?
19:56 gmcharlt             i.e., I'd want to see LiveDVD users use the normal channels for reporting bugs, but that of course implies that the LiveDVD is constructed to not diverge too far
19:56 pianohacker          Is there a precedent for generating translatable formatted strings in OPAC JS?
19:57 mtj                  lol, yes Owen, thats the best theory i have :)
19:57 oleonard             pianohacker: Check doc-head-close.inc
19:57 jcamins              I think everyone who actively provides support in the community has pretty conclusively stated that their support for the livecd ends before it gets used for production.
19:57 jcamins              Period.
19:57 jcamins              Full stop.
19:57 jcamins              (that's all she wrote)
19:57 csharp               EOF
19:58 jcamins              csharp: wow, that's weird. Usually I see you on other channels. :)
19:58 csharp               heh - yep - I lurk in here too
19:58 gmcharlt             history.txt: 2015-01-13: #everkoha is started on FreeOFTC
19:59 jcamins              lol
19:59 Dyrcona              kohagreen
20:01 pianohacker          Dyrcona: Hrm, echoes of /r/trees :)
20:05 rangi                eeek
20:06 cait                 eek?
20:06 * rangi              understands only oracle and koha in that spanish email
20:06 rangi                but that's enough to make me run far far away
20:06 cait                 instalado 3.4 ...
20:07 pianohacker          rangi: thankfully, it's only a migration from some... thing on oracle to koha
20:07 rangi                ahh
20:07 rangi                i forgot you speak spanish
20:07 * cait               thiks pianohacker is right
20:07 rangi                handy :)(
20:07 oleonard             Bye #koha
20:07 rangi                -(
20:07 cait                 pianohacker: did they really install 3.4?
20:07 rangi                cya oleonard
20:07 pianohacker          rangi: just a bit
20:07 gmcharlt             cait: yep
20:07 pianohacker          cuban_mom++
20:07 cait                 hm
20:08 * cait               volunteers pianohacker to answer :P
20:08 pianohacker          cait: yeah, that's what it looks like
20:08 rangi                i met pianohacker's mom
20:08 gmcharlt             I suspect that they might have been running the 3.4 system for a while, but now want to migrate data from this Oracle DB
20:08 pianohacker          oh, man. I can give it a shot
20:08 rangi                <-- claim to fame
20:08 pianohacker          rangi: hahaha that's right
20:08 gmcharlt             pianohacker: go for it.  beats me have to start my response with "I apologize for responding in English..."
20:09 rangi                :)
20:09 pianohacker          17-year-old me: "Mom, I'm gonna fly to Texas by myself and meet Koha people!" "... hell no you're not"
20:09 gmcharlt             heh
20:09 rangi                ahh hugo answered
20:09 mtj                  i had a goofy idea recently… using pootle to build marc.sql files, for various languages
20:09 rangi                pianohacker: heheh you drove down in the end eh?
20:10 pianohacker          yup, less than a month after I got my driver's permit
20:10 rangi                :)
20:10 pianohacker          she had so much fun on that drive
20:11 rangi                hugo++ # great answer
20:11 jcamins              mtj: even better would be not using raw SQL for frameworks.
20:11 pianohacker          yup, that's good. still think it's worth a spanish response?
20:12 rangi                hmm not sure
20:13 mtj                  jcamins, yes, ultimately
20:15 cait                 pianohacker: my mom was very disappointed when i told her - guess she expected me to take her too :)
20:15 rangi                pianohacker: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/nengard/3447508010/
20:17 cait                 oh i found liz and daniel
20:17 JoeLib001            I got an interesting request from our cataloger. She wants to know, if I can make Koha not return the 942, 952, and 999 fields in a Z39.50 query.
20:17 pianohacker          haha, mustaches-and-glasses, oh man
20:17 pianohacker          wonder if my mom's in there somewhe
20:17 JoeLib001            Is there an option in Koha to do that?
20:18 JoeLib001            I haven't been able to find one anyways.
20:18 jcamins              JoeLib001: I'd suggest you say "no," and leave it at that.
20:18 jcamins              There is no functionality built into Koha.
20:18 pianohacker          cait: haha, two plane tickets might be more than the gas from colorado to texas
20:18 rangi                pianohacker: couldnt spot her
20:18 cait                 pianohacker: she will get over it eventually :)
20:19 rangi                ok time to take my son to school
20:19 rangi                bbl
20:19 JoeLib001            jcamins: Ok, thanks. :-)
20:19 gmcharlt             JoeLib001: though it *is* possible with some fiddling of the Zebra config (or possibly via sticking metaproxy in front of it)
20:20 rhcl                 @seen wizzyrea
20:20 mtj                  a quick show of hands here, people - do folks want to discuss the dvd next #irc meeting?
20:20 huginn`              rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 20 hours and 5 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> :)
20:20 mtj                  yes/no?
20:20 jcamins               -1
20:20 mtj                   -1
20:20 gmcharlt             mtj: -1, unless (a) Vimal actually wants the discussion and (b) we are aiming to come to resolution rather than discussing for the sake of discussing
20:21 gmcharlt             JoeLib001: but in practice, running with jcamins answer is also fine :)
20:21 JoeLib001            gmcharlt: Thanks for that too. :-)
20:21 cait                 gmcharlt++ # being as wise as his dnd character
20:23 JoeLib001            Possible, but not without it's own problems. I don't have the brain power to devote to it, if it's not built into Koha either. ;-) Too much on my plate as it is. XD
20:24 jcamins              ^^ why I suggested you say "no" and not explain. ;)
20:24 JoeLib001            : Works on Circulation, Periodicals, and now Acquisitions. Along with support of Koha / IT stuff. XD
20:24 jcamins              Way too many other things to do.
20:25 gmcharlt             @librarian
20:25 huginn`              gmcharlt: Management:13, Cataloging:17, Acquisitions:13, Reference:6, Circulation:15, Systems:15, Research:11, Custodial:11
20:25 gmcharlt             missing category: Multi-tasking
20:25 JoeLib001            Hehehehe
20:26 mtj                  gmcharlt, thats probably going to be a 'no' on both of those points :)
20:26 JoeLib001            I'm am a Paraprofessional, I think is the term. ;-)
20:26 JoeLib001            Yeah...., - the 'm
20:27 JoeLib001            Could be known and Cheap and Dumb. XD
20:27 JoeLib001            Yeah, ok. Already too long of a day. ;-)
20:27 * libsysguy          storms the channel
20:27 pianohacker          hey, longer you're here, the more you know and the less cheap you get ;)
20:27 pianohacker          hey libsysguy
20:27 wahanui              libsysguy is koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck
20:27 cait                 hi libsysguy
20:28 libsysguy            hey pianohacker and cait :)
20:28 libsysguy            long time no see
20:28 cait                 how are things?
20:30 libsysguy            they are good
20:30 libsysguy            doing a lot of code
20:30 libsysguy            surprisingly its much easier to code something when you have a firm grasp on the concepts behind it :p
20:30 JoeLib001            Hehe. ;-)
20:31 libsysguy            also, tools, tools, and more tools
20:32 cait                 :)
20:32 libsysguy            anybody here going to YAPC this year?
20:34 bag                  heya libsysguy
20:34 wahanui              libsysguy is, like, koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck
20:34 libsysguy            heya bag
20:34 bag                  libsysguy: we had an earthquake today
20:34 libsysguy            i saw your status on fb
20:34 bag                  HA I'm telling everyone I know
20:35 libsysguy            eveybody okay?
20:35 bag                  yup
20:35 bag                  just a little "shook" up
20:35 libsysguy            ba dump *psh*
20:36 pianohacker          libsysguy: what specifically are you working on?
20:36 libsysguy            currently or just in general?
20:37 libsysguy            :p
20:37 libsysguy            currently a data migration for some internal systems, but in general building perl web-apps for internal cPanel use
20:37 bag                  libsysguy: I say you again the other day - you got a haircut this time - so you don't look like such a hippie anymore :D
20:37 bag                  s/say/saw
20:38 libsysguy            you know me man, always letting my hippie flag fly
20:38 pianohacker          libsysguy: both sound pretty good. yay perl :)
20:38 libsysguy            yeah I'm trying to use Mojo for async connections
20:40 libsysguy            the difficult part is trying to find a persistence layer that is non-blocking
20:40 pianohacker          heh, tough in any language
20:43 libsysguy            indeed it is
20:43 libsysguy            especially node :p
20:54 bag                  stinky farts - from the dog under the desk :P
20:54 libsysguy            aww the earthquake scared him
20:54 libsysguy            or he's retaliating :p
20:54 bag                  yeah it got him excited
20:54 bag                  I think it was the chicken bones he ate the other night - dumbass
20:59 talljoy              egad bag.  i can't even come into #koha to get away from your stinky ass dog
20:59 talljoy              there is no safe place
21:00 bag                  my dog is a lover
21:00 talljoy              libsysguy i've got a cataloging question for the marc fans out there.  just giving you fair warning.
21:01 * libsysguy          runs away
21:01 talljoy              if i have a manuscript that was written on a date and then it is revised on a later date, where do the dates go?  repeated 260 or 245 subfield?
21:01 talljoy              i warned you!
21:02 bag                  jcamins ^^^
21:02 talljoy              gmcharlt ^
21:03 bag                  eythian ^^^
21:03 bag                  raises you another :P
21:03 rhcl                 talljoy speaks?
21:03 talljoy              lol
21:03 libsysguy            only when she has MARC questions :p
21:03 talljoy              pfft
21:03 talljoy              i could put an RDA spin on that question if you like.
21:04 cjh                  morning #koha
21:04 pianohacker          talljoy: hey now, that's not nice
21:06 gmcharlt             @marc 245 f
21:06 huginn`              gmcharlt: Inclusive dates The time period during which the entire content of the described materials was created.
21:06 pianohacker          repeated tag or subfield?
21:07 gmcharlt             pianohacker: 245$f is NR
21:07 talljoy              you don't repeat the 245
21:08 pianohacker          gmcharlt: ah, okay
21:08 gmcharlt             talljoy: to be clear, I'm pretty sure it's the 245$f for manuscripts
21:09 talljoy              would you note that it was revised anywhere?
21:09 bag                  @marc 245f
21:09 huginn`              bag: unknown tag 245f
21:09 jcamins              245$f.
21:09 jcamins              1800-1845.
21:09 wahanui              -45
21:09 bag                  @marc 245$f
21:09 huginn`              bag: unknown tag 245$f
21:09 cjh                  :o
21:09 cjh                  wahanui can do math?
21:09 wahanui              cjh: i don't know
21:09 bag                  heh I give up
21:10 cait                 @marc 245f
21:10 huginn`              cait: unknown tag 245f
21:10 cait                 @marc 245 f
21:10 huginn`              cait: Inclusive dates The time period during which the entire content of the described materials was created.
21:10 cait                 ah
21:10 jcamins              And then the appropriate 5xx note.
21:10 talljoy              long live the 5xx tags  they are my favorite.
21:11 jcamins              That's what I'd do.
21:11 jcamins              Well...
21:11 jcamins              Actually, that depends.
21:11 jcamins              When you say "revised" you mean that there are MS amendations to an earlier MS, yes?
21:11 cait                 now the expert is talking
21:12 talljoy              well revised as in.....  i wrote this script in 1990.  then when I got a job to put it on, I revised the script slightly in 1996
21:12 jcamins              Ummm...
21:12 talljoy              so i could argue they are really two things
21:12 jcamins              hm.
21:12 talljoy              but.....for this particular application that might blow their minds.
21:12 pianohacker          edition info tags?
21:13 jcamins              So the entire typescript(?) was rekeyed in 1996?
21:13 gmcharlt             pianohacker: what is this edition you speak of for manuscripts?
21:13 cait                 talljoy: so it's not an old hand written thing but something else?
21:13 talljoy              no jcamins the entire thing wasn't rekeyed.  perhaps certain acts were reworked
21:13 gmcharlt             (i.e., some concepts like edition and publication date don't apply cleanly, or at all, for manuscripts)
21:13 * cait               is confused now
21:13 pianohacker          interesting, okay
21:14 pianohacker          cataloging++
21:14 jcamins              In that case, yes, 245$f1990-1996.
21:14 talljoy              okay.  i will give them my thoughts with ^ that as the preferred cataloging method.
21:15 talljoy              sorry for the marc interruption libsysguy  you can come back now
21:15 * libsysguy          peeks
21:16 talljoy              all clear!
21:16 talljoy              bring out the FRBR now
21:16 libsysguy            now FRBR I can talk about
21:17 libsysguy            RDA is just FRBR's hacky realization
21:17 libsysguy            :p
21:20 jcamins              libsysguy: RDA = FRBR - Functional
21:21 libsysguy            heh
21:22 jcamins              And - Requirements
21:22 jcamins              And, while we're at it, they don't really do Bibliographic either.
21:23 libsysguy            RDA = MARC v1.1
21:23 gmcharlt             But (to the dismay of the Linked Data folks) RDA does do "records" :)
21:23 jcamins              gmcharlt: yup.
21:24 libsysguy            I was thinking about marc data the other day, wound't it make sense to store that in a document non-relational store?
21:24 libsysguy            I know…its weird that I was thinking about MARC by choice
21:27 libsysguy            specifically MongoDB?
21:32 pianohacker          libsysguy: would probably work better than the two approaches Koha has tried, from massive normalized-ish row-for-every-subfield MySQL tables to "to hell with it, store the whole marcxml blob"
21:33 libsysguy            *sigh* blobs
21:34 libsysguy            I guess you could store the marc blob in a NoSQL db and everything else in an RDBMS
21:34 pianohacker          yeah. thanks to some xml-processing  tools built into MySQL and excellent CPAN/Zebra support, the latter is working _much_ better than the former, but it's still maybe not ideal
21:35 pianohacker          plus, we kind of do, if you treat zebra as a db with one hell of a search engine :P
21:35 libsysguy            well anytime you can let a binary handle parsing for you its much better
21:35 libsysguy            heh
21:35 gmcharlt             I'm not sure what storing the blob in a separate NoSQL DB would gain us, considering the MySQL can store the blob well enough and Zebra/Solr can make in searchable
21:36 libsysguy            usually the NoSQL db's have full text indexing so you kind of get a two for one
21:36 libsysguy            but…I don't think you have facet control
21:37 libsysguy            and on that note, I'm off
21:37 libsysguy            later guys
21:37 pianohacker          libsysguy: yeah, that's the thing. the lack of good support for facets and  good specific-field searching/relevant ranking make most search engines fall down
21:37 pianohacker          it's why we deal with IndexData's documentation :P
21:37 pianohacker          but bye :)
21:44 * wizzyrea           blinks
21:44 wizzyrea             a libsysguy sighting!
21:45 pianohacker          indeed
21:46 pianohacker          and a wizzyrea sighting :)
21:46 cjh                  they happen daily, the wizzyrea is common in these parts.
21:46 wizzyrea             :D
21:46 * wizzyrea           would love to get libsysguy, cjh, and pianohacker in a real room together. It would be epic.
21:47 cjh                  *real* room, as in, offline? that sounds dangerous.
21:47 cait                 heh
21:47 cait                 might be dangerous?
21:47 cait                 :)
21:48 * cjh                has heard libsysguys are dangerous when cornered
21:48 wizzyrea             libsysguy?
21:48 wizzyrea             aww
21:49 cjh                  wizzyrea: -!- libsysguy [~libsysguy@c-98-198-83-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has left #koha [] :(
21:49 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm back with a question about the report you all helped me with last week. You told me to look for the location value of the Hidden for OPAC in Authorized Values -> Location. Does anyone happen to know what it would be under in there?
21:49 wizzyrea             they are user configured - we'd have no idea
21:49 wizzyrea             sorry :(
21:50 wizzyrea             if you know of an item that is hidden, and look at it
21:50 wizzyrea             it will tell you
21:50 pianohacker          wizzyrea: hmm. I don't know. I think libsysguy and I would either love each other or drive each other up a wall :)
21:50 YoungPublicLibrarian Dang, okay. Maybe I can get help from ByWater. How would an item that is hidden tell me?
21:54 YoungPublicLibrarian I mean, would I look at the items stats in cataloging or somewhere else?
21:55 wizzyrea             you would look at the item, probably in edit items
21:56 wizzyrea             which library are you from?
22:09 YoungPublicLibrarian One from The Valnet Consortium.
22:10 wizzyrea             oh right - you told me that ages ago
22:11 wizzyrea             sorry, I've slept since then :)
22:11 eythian              hi
22:11 wahanui              kai ora, eythian
22:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Under edit items...
22:12 YoungPublicLibrarian It says c - Shelving Location and has a selection list where "Hidden from OPAC" is chosen.
22:12 wizzyrea             looks like the description for items.location contains Hidden from OPAC
22:14 rangi                kai ora?
22:14 rangi                eat life?
22:15 rangi                wahanui is a zombie
22:15 cait                 oh lol
22:16 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, so I'm trying to modify the Bibs Marked On Order report to give me all items marked hidden from OPAC. So what would I be looking for to put in the "where items.location = ' ? ' " line?
22:18 eythian              whatever the authorised value code for "Hidden from OPAC" is
22:18 YoungPublicLibrarian Right, that's what I'm asking how to find... Lol
22:19 YoungPublicLibrarian I was told to look for that code under Administration -> Authorized Values -> Location, but what am I looking for once I get to location?
22:20 cait                 i gues syu don't have access to the administration module?
22:21 cait                 try to write yourself a report:
22:21 wizzyrea             she can't
22:21 cait                 oh
22:21 cait                 no reports either?
22:21 cait                 is the loc searchable in advanced search in the staff interface?
22:21 cait                 i mean can you search that hidden in opac?
22:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Search how? And he... Lol
22:22 eythian              YoungPublicLibrarian: you go there, and it'll give you a list of them all
22:22 wizzyrea             it's hidden from the opac.
22:23 wizzyrea             she doesn't have rights to do any of that.
22:23 eythian              one of them will be the code for "hidden from the opac"
22:23 eythian              well someone has to go there, or it's simply not possible
22:23 wizzyrea             ^^^
22:23 cait                 wizzyrea: if location is searchable in staff advanced search...
22:24 YoungPublicLibrarian I can't go there, that's 9/10 of the problem... And Wizzyrea, I is male... Lol
22:24 cait                 they migt have hidden the LOC value from opac but not from staff
22:24 wizzyrea             ah sorry
22:24 cait                 i wonder if you can see it in the source code of the add item screen
22:24 cait                 probably you can
22:24 YoungPublicLibrarian How would I search it through the staff interface?
22:24 eythian              cait: that's a good idea
22:24 eythian              it'd probably work
22:25 cait                 years of being creative in things like that :P
22:25 wizzyrea             actually yea, ctrl-u on the add items page
22:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Ooh! I like that idea. So go to the add item screen and view the page source, looking for the Hidden from OPAC terms?
22:25 eythian              yeah
22:25 wizzyrea             it'll probably be the value
22:26 eythian              and it'll be something like <option value="CODE">Hidden from OPAC</option>
22:26 eythian              or similar
22:26 cjh                  cait++
22:26 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm trying it now. Give me a sec... And thanks for finding a work around!
22:31 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, it says (<option value="HIDDEN">Hidden from OPAC</option>") So would "HIDDEN" be the code I'm looking for?
22:31 eythian              jup
22:33 YoungPublicLibrarian Sweet! Thanks everyone! You guys have been a huge help!
22:43 YoungPublicLibrarian One more question... If I wanted to add the collection code to what the report displays, what would I have to do to the report?
22:47 YoungPublicLibrarian The report I'm modifying is the Bibs Marked On Order report from the report library. Just wondering how complicated it would be to add collection code to what the report returns when run...
22:47 wizzyrea             probably a matter of adding items.ccode to your select
22:47 YoungPublicLibrarian Ooh! I like when things are that easy!
22:48 wizzyrea             (but i didn't read the report)
22:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, thanks again!
23:01 pianohacker          good night
23:01 wahanui              I'll be waiting for you to come back, pianohacker.
23:01 pianohacker          O_O
23:01 pianohacker          aughhh run away
23:30 eythian              http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/05/27/72037-christopher-lee-releases-a-heavy-metal-album-on-his-91st-birthday/ <-- \m/
23:32 trea                 lol
23:32 wizzyrea             hehehehehe
23:32 wizzyrea             "a heavy metal album based on the life of the French ruler Charlemagne."
23:33 trea                 reminds me of the time iron maiden did rime of the ancient mariner
23:34 cait                 good night all :)
23:34 eythian              cait is going to put some nice heavy metal on to go to sleep to.
23:36 trea                 give me a heavy metal album worthy of mordor
23:36 eythian              well, it is sung by Sauruman...
23:37 rangi                christopher lee is awesome
23:37 trea                 one does simply shred into mordor
23:37 trea                 ad infinitum
23:38 rangi                apropos the spanish email this morning
23:38 rangi                http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_en_Debian_Squeeze
23:40 jenkins_koha         Starting build #126 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:40 eythian              it's odd in that half of many sentences is translated
23:41 rangi                yeah working their way through it still
23:41 rangi                more everyday
23:43 eythian              that makes sense
23:49 rangi                http://www.hipop-eration.com/
23:50 rangi                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvXxzI50cZg
23:50 rangi                i love this :)
23:51 eythian              I bet it's no Christopher Lee though :)
23:51 eythian              http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130528143623.htm <-- "Beer-Pouring Robot Programmed to Anticipate Human Actions"
23:52 rangi                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIl_0SY5hOQ&feature=youtu.be
23:52 rangi                its pretty fun
23:52 wizzyrea             that is super silly
23:52 rangi                yep