Time Nick Message 00:06 eythian jcamins: if debugging is the process of removing bugs, clearly programming is the process of putting them in. 00:06 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: if debugging is the process of removing bugs, clearly programming is the process of putting them in. 00:06 wizzyrea daw no huginn. 00:06 wizzyrea wrong and irritating 00:09 dcook Where is our thought bot today? 00:11 wizzyrea gone awee 00:11 wizzyrea ping gmcharlt 00:11 wizzyrea we miss huginn please :) 00:11 wizzyrea i can't even @later him! 00:11 wizzyrea *sob* 00:12 dcook Poor wizz :( 00:13 dcook Chocolate? 00:13 wahanui reiveune ate them all 00:13 dcook That is a problem.. 00:39 Jurgens Hi all. Can someone please give me some advice as to why my advanced messaging isn't working anymore - nothing has changed and has worked in the past months. I use this code in a terminal: sudo koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/advance_notices.pl -itemscontent title,author,barcode -c 00:40 Jurgens About 5 or so messages was sent when I used it but no more go - there should be about 60 going out I believe. I use koha 3.12 01:00 wizzyrea maybe because there isn't an = between itemscontent and title? 01:00 wizzyrea and you may need two dashes before itemscontent 01:01 wizzyrea sudo koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/advance_notices.pl --itemscontent=title,author,barcode -c 01:01 wizzyrea jurgens ^ 01:08 Jurgens Thanks Wizzy, I tried your command, but still nothing. 01:10 wizzyrea do you have email enabled? 01:11 wizzyrea if you do a koha-list --email is your instance listed? 01:11 wizzyrea one thing that got me - was I did a koha-disable <instance>, then a koha-enable <instance> 01:11 wizzyrea but email didn't come back 01:11 wizzyrea (by design) 01:11 wizzyrea so you have to koha-email-enable <instance> to make that go again 01:12 eythian wizzyrea: actually, email will come back if you do that 01:12 eythian however if a failure deletes /var, email won't come back after that :) 01:12 wizzyrea oh right that was a different thing 01:12 wizzyrea anyway, make sure it's enabled :P 01:14 Jurgens Yes, its enalbed. I'm sending overdue messages just fine. 01:14 Jurgens I am also making sure I'm running the process message queue as well. 01:14 wahanui okay, Jurgens. 01:15 wizzyrea do you actually have things coming due/advanced due? dates are correct and such? 01:17 Jurgens Yeah, I have about 600 or so items due on Saturday, so I'm trying to send an advanced digest email. I've done this for the past two months with no issues. But now its like these messages are just ignored. On my mail client, it lists all the emails sent - so I can see if it was sent or not, the overdues are sent, but not the advanced ones. 01:18 Jurgens By default all patrons have a 7 day digest email for advanced notices - is there an arguement I can use in the terminal to maybe change the day? Perhaps make it 5 or 4 days just to test. 01:19 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of no. 01:22 wizzyrea do you have the messages generated in the message queue? 01:22 wizzyrea are they actually there? 01:23 Jurgens In my mailq there is nothing. 01:24 wizzyrea not the mail queue - the table message_queue in the koha database 01:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #124 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:26 wizzyrea ok, do all of the patrons *actually* have a 7 day digest for advanced notices, or did you set that in the patron categories and not apply it to the borrowers 01:27 wizzyrea because if you didn't apply the defaults to existing borrowers, only new borrowers will have the defaults. 01:28 Jurgens no messages in message queue. and yes all patrons have been set and updated to 7 day default using terminal. 01:29 wizzyrea don't know then, I haven't heard of this problem sorry 02:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #124: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/124/ 02:06 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in subscription-add.tt : 2/years should be 2/year 02:06 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt 02:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #125 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #125: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/125/ 02:52 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10178 - Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21 02:53 jcamins I was trying to show Shari examples of "discovery interfaces." 02:53 jcamins And how they were trying to do some of what Biblionarrator does, and not succeeding. 02:53 * dcook is intrigued 02:53 jcamins You know what? It turns out most of them just gave up entirely. 02:53 wizzyrea and you found one that works? oh. guess not. 02:53 jcamins Making authority data useful? 02:53 jcamins Bwahahahahaha 02:53 jcamins ^^ sorry, but that's clearly nuts 02:54 wizzyrea clearly 02:54 jcamins http://yufind.library.yale.edu/yufind/Author/Home?author=Shakespeare%2C%20William%2C%201564-1616. <-- the best it gets 02:54 wizzyrea vufind :) 02:54 wizzyrea naturally. 02:56 jcamins I'd heard that Blacklight is better, but... 02:56 jcamins There is certainly no evidence of that. 02:56 wizzyrea blacklight has to be configured and stuff 02:57 wizzyrea to be good. 02:57 wizzyrea discovery layers aren't really for adding value 02:57 wizzyrea they are for finding things across many sources 02:57 jcamins [off] When the original authors of the system can't configure it to not be crap, I think I can safely call it "crap." :P 02:57 jcamins Sure, if you offer some sort of federated search. 02:58 jcamins If you don't offer federated search, but call it an "improved discovery experience," I expect to see improvement. 02:58 * wizzyrea has never seen one that didn't have to do with a library wanting a zillion different sources of records pulled together into one interfacve 02:58 jcamins Really? 02:58 wahanui Really is off now 02:58 wizzyrea and having them show up in one result set. But that's kind of the problem with a term like "discovery layer" 02:58 jcamins One moment. 02:59 wizzyrea it's highly dependent on your definition of discovery. 02:59 jcamins [off] http://bobcat.library.nyu.edu/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?dscnt=1&dstmp=1369709953928&vid=NYU&fromLogin=true 02:59 wizzyrea it's not a real term, it's a marketing term 02:59 jcamins I know. 02:59 wizzyrea and an irritating one, at that. 02:59 eythian just start calling them "invisibility cloaks" then 02:59 wizzyrea ^ 02:59 eythian it's kinda the opposite thing... 03:00 jcamins I'm actually not interested in discovery layers per se, but at least in principle some of them offer the possibility of making use of authority records, etc. 03:00 wizzyrea ...you're kind of proving my thesis here. 03:00 jcamins Which is that discovery layers are all crap? 03:00 jcamins I think that's derivative from my thesis that discovery layers are all crap. :P 03:01 dcook I think that's the dominate opinion 03:01 wizzyrea no, that this discovery layer thing doesn't have anything to do with discovering anything about materials except "where to get it" 03:01 * dcook would love to see authority records used to their potential. 03:01 jcamins dcook: there does seem to be a remarkable lack of people finding value in discovery layers, doesn't there? 03:01 dcook I was doing a course on taxonomies and I was rather sad at how the taxonomy that authorities represent is woefully underused 03:02 wizzyrea and yet - we encourage user taxonomies in the form of tags 03:02 dcook [off] rangi: Yet, Bibliocommons seemed pretty confident about how much they were needed, eh? 03:03 dcook wizzyrea: What would you like to see in terms of discovery? 03:03 jcamins [off] In fairness to Bibliocommons, I don't think they claim to be anything other than an OPAC, do they? 03:03 dcook As for user taxonomies...I really wish I remembered the readings I did about them last year :p. While I think they can be useful to a degree, I'm not sure how useful they actually are 03:04 wizzyrea the sorts of things like amazon does - people who read this author also read this other author/subject 03:04 dcook Well, depending...some websites do it well, but I'm not sure about libraries 03:04 wizzyrea a cataloger thinks this subject is related 03:04 wizzyrea you might too 03:04 wizzyrea sort of thing 03:04 wizzyrea koha does quite a few of those things 03:04 wizzyrea now if it could do it across several sources 03:04 wizzyrea we'd be golden. 03:04 dcook Mmm, that could be nice 03:04 jcamins Once we jettisoned MARC. 03:04 dcook Several sources? 03:05 wizzyrea ebsco, gale 03:05 wizzyrea for instance 03:05 wizzyrea articles 03:05 wizzyrea ebook suppliers 03:05 wizzyrea overdrive 03:05 wahanui overdrive is, like, going to expire that book 03:05 wizzyrea forget overdrive 03:05 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot overdrive 03:05 dcook I haven't looked into that too much at this point, but I think that gets tougher 03:05 wizzyrea i wish I could forget overdrive 03:05 jcamins [off] Shouldn't that be "Overdrive is evil"? 03:05 wizzyrea overdrive is evil. 03:05 wizzyrea overdrive? 03:05 wahanui hmmm... overdrive is evil. 03:05 wizzyrea there, that seems right. 03:06 dcook Well put, wahanui 03:06 wahanui dcook: excuse me? 03:06 * dcook scowls 03:06 wizzyrea well all of that more or less depends on good, linkable metadata eh? 03:06 dcook I think access to the metadata becomes an issue 03:06 dcook Mmm yeah 03:06 dcook I'm not sure how keen publishers are on that either 03:07 wizzyrea i think if they want people to find their stuff, they should be super keen. 03:07 dcook When I worked in law, it seemed like every publisher was extremely reluctant to give you any data 03:07 dcook It was "use our portal or nothing!" 03:07 wizzyrea otherwise... how will people find it 03:07 wizzyrea oh god the law databases are EEEEVIL. 03:07 dcook Depends on the publisher 03:07 dcook In some cases, they know they have the market share 03:07 wizzyrea law in general. 03:07 dcook hehe 03:07 dcook I quite liked law :p 03:07 wizzyrea especially - oh what's the one... jjj something 03:07 dcook I thought about doing my JD/LLB 03:07 wizzyrea jstor? 03:08 dcook j? 03:08 wizzyrea Lexis Nexis! that does not begin with a J 03:08 dcook That might be more America specific 03:08 dcook Mmm 03:08 wizzyrea but that. 03:08 wizzyrea yes, it's probably americacentric 03:08 dcook Yeah, LexisNexis was a bit... 03:08 jcamins lol No, no 'j'. 03:08 dcook Their Halsbury's database wasn't too bad 03:08 dcook Quicklaw 03:08 dcook Quicklaw was all right 03:08 * jcamins calls it a night. 03:08 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:08 dcook night, jcamins! 03:08 eythian but it's not 03:08 wizzyrea later :0 03:09 eythian it's the afternoon 03:09 dcook Wait...yeah! 03:09 eythian you can't call the afternoon a night, weirdo 03:09 dcook It's only 1pm! 03:09 wizzyrea a very cold night. 03:09 wizzyrea afternoon. 03:09 dcook The thing was though...if Quicklaw and Westlaw had solid APIs, it would be so much easier to access their content 03:10 wizzyrea ebsco is supposed to be doing an open API? 03:10 wizzyrea because they were getting sued by someone... 03:10 wizzyrea Ex Libris, I think. 03:10 dcook I'm intrigued 03:10 wizzyrea dunno, we have peeps at a meeting about it. 03:10 wizzyrea <watch this space> 03:10 dcook No doubt. That would be great 03:11 dcook Much better than periodic MARC dumps 03:11 wizzyrea *nod* 03:11 wizzyrea I do like about getit.library.nyu.edu is the "send/share" area 03:11 wizzyrea koha should put it that way 03:11 wizzyrea i don't mean the function, koha does that. 03:11 wizzyrea i mean the terminology 03:12 wizzyrea it's not "export" 03:12 wizzyrea or "download" 03:12 dcook Hmm, not sure I'm seeing that on the website 03:12 dcook But I get your point 03:12 dcook Terminology definitely matters 03:12 wizzyrea https://getit.library.nyu.edu/go/7674801 03:13 wizzyrea on the right 03:13 wizzyrea and LOOK at that minimal display. 03:13 wizzyrea no physical description - nobody gives a crap about that but cataloguers 03:14 dcook Hmm 03:15 wizzyrea https://github.com/team-umlaut/umlaut 03:15 dcook Yeah, I just opened that up 03:15 dcook I keep meaning to look at Ruby... 03:15 dcook Looks like it's especially made for Primo though? 03:15 dcook Or maybe just has a Primo add-on.. 03:15 wizzyrea blacklight is ruby also 03:16 dcook Vufind is PHP? 03:16 wizzyrea yea 03:16 dcook I already know PHP so I might end up looking at that first, but good to know.. 03:17 eythian keep in mind that PHP causes brain damage if taken in more than miniscule doses. 03:17 dcook When it comes to the display...it would be nice if libraries were able to handle more of their own config 03:17 eythian It's pretty much a gateway to PCP and meth and stuff. 03:17 wizzyrea this NYU interface has some stupidities. 03:17 dcook Librarians do care about physical description, but there should be an easy way of defining a public interface with just the essentials 03:17 wizzyrea we have librarians mucking about with xslt 03:17 dcook Right, but that's not so easy 03:17 wizzyrea unfortunately they put in MORE not LESS 03:17 dcook Mmm, I could see that 03:18 dcook That's the trend here as well 03:18 wizzyrea see ALL THE THINGS 03:18 dcook I think library schools need a few more "user experience" courses... 03:18 dcook eythian: :p 03:18 dcook I suppose I'm torn between wanting to give librarians nice UIs and making them get their hands dirty 03:18 dcook As a librarian, I like getting my hands dirty 03:18 dcook But I know many who don't.. 03:19 dcook Mind you, perhaps they need to get with the times if they are going to keep the profession relevant 03:19 dcook I wonder what users really want though... 03:19 dcook I mean...I'm a library user 03:19 dcook Err...I used to be 03:19 dcook What did I want? 03:20 wizzyrea to find the thing 03:20 dcook Usually a known quantity? 03:20 wizzyrea maybe to find things like the thing. 03:20 dcook Usually I look for books that I know I want 03:20 dcook Maybe 03:20 dcook Or is that something better handled by a thing like Goodreads 03:20 dcook Too bad about the Amazon sale.. 03:20 wizzyrea I trust my local library to keep that data safer than a commercial entity. 03:21 dcook Mmm, true that 03:21 wizzyrea haha I just mistyped librains 03:21 dcook Although like rangi was saying the other day, it would be nice to have a centralized repository 03:21 dcook hehe 03:21 wizzyrea yes, extremely that 03:21 wizzyrea would love to figure out a way to fund that. 03:21 dcook I would love to store my reading lists and such on a Koha repo 03:21 dcook Mmm, agreed 03:22 dcook As it is, I'm already juggling developing 3 different systems 03:22 dcook And I probably put in some of the least amount of time out of the active developers 03:22 dcook You know...just including work hours and a few after-work hours here and there 03:23 dcook I don't know where other people find the time 03:23 dcook (or money) 03:26 dcook Lovin' Libreoffice's command-line PDFing tools! 03:28 wizzyrea why is the intranet result xslt so... weird. 03:28 dcook ? 03:28 wizzyrea it's squashed 03:35 dcook The display or the file? 03:37 wizzyrea the display 03:37 wahanui i think the display is even a little nicer with the CSS. 03:38 dcook What he said? 03:38 wizzyrea it only takes up about 2/3 of the space available to it? 03:38 wizzyrea width wise? 03:43 dcook Do you have a link? 03:44 eythian alas, Koha doesn't support 774 for analytics. 03:45 dcook *sadface* 03:47 dcook eythian: While I know it's the fashion to bash PHP, what language(s) would you support? 03:48 dcook Also, recently I've been thinking about whitespace discrepancies that come up in Koha from time to time...would that be brutal for Python programs? 03:48 eythian dcook: it's not so much the fashion, it's just that it's actually an objectively bad language in almost all ways. 03:48 eythian dcook: no, because in python programs those problems would be bugs, and so wouldn't (ideally) have got in there in the first place. 03:48 dcook Lots of things are objectively bad, but they're not necessarily invoked with as much passion as anti-PHP sentiments 03:48 dcook Not that I'm defending it 03:48 dcook I just use it 03:49 dcook I'm pretty language agnostic 03:49 dcook eythian: Interesting. Seems like that would be a barrier to newbs though. 03:49 eythian why? 03:50 eythian I mean, the whitespace is part of the syntax 03:50 dcook If they kept introducing bugs without knowing why 03:50 eythian it's like saying that { } is a barrier 03:50 dcook Except that different editors handle whitespace differently 03:50 dcook Not so much with curly brackets 03:50 eythian dcook: not when doing python they don't 03:50 wizzyrea popcorn? 03:50 wahanui popcorn is a vital part of any work day. 03:50 wizzyrea get the popcorn? 03:50 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif 03:50 dcook O_o 03:50 eythian because if they did, they'd be a bad python editor :) 03:51 dcook lol 03:51 wizzyrea more popcorn? 03:51 dcook But I repeat the question, what languages are you a fan of, eythian? 03:52 eythian I'm mostly happy with Perl. I should properly learn Python one day. LISP is fun for what it's good for. Smalltalk is easy and it sucks it's not popular. 03:52 eythian That's a very broad question really 03:53 dcook Hmm, that's true 03:53 dcook I guess preferences become a bit irrelevant in some (if not many) cases anyway 03:54 dcook In the work context, I use whatever language I have to use to develop the system I'm being paid to develop 03:54 dcook At home, well, I don't have time for that at the moment.. 05:26 dac Ahh, PDFing magic. I love when things work out. 05:42 * dac waves to cait 05:43 dac Howdy 05:49 cait hi dac 05:49 cait hi #koha 05:50 dcook That's better :) 06:08 cait somehow i suspected it was you 06:09 dcook I do seem to always be around when you arrive 06:09 dcook Coincidence, I assure you 06:10 cait and i am supposed to believe that? 06:10 cait :) 06:12 dcook Yep ^_^ 06:12 dcook Mostly because of the cute caret eyes 06:14 cait lol 06:14 cait i will consider it 06:14 dcook I hate when things don't work when you just want the thing to function, but they work perfectly when you're looking for edge cases that you know exist.. 06:22 dcook Daft punk is in the head and I can't get it ouuuuut 06:39 drojf good morning #koha 06:40 cait good morning drojf :) 06:40 drojf hi cait 06:41 dcook hey drojf 06:41 dcook There was something I was going to say to you or ask you...but I can't remember what... 06:41 alex_a_ bonjour 06:41 wahanui kai ora, alex_a_ 06:41 dcook salut alex_a_ 06:42 drojf hi dcook 06:42 alex_a salut dcook 06:42 drojf if it was important you will remember ;) 06:42 drojf hi alex_a 06:42 alex_a hello drojf 06:44 reiveune hello 06:44 wahanui hello, reiveune 06:46 christophe_c hello #koha 06:52 mtj oooh, interesting article on marc21 -> http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/5468 06:54 mtj "The MARC21 standard is represented only by an online text, something that is rather astonishing if you think about it. Anyone wishing to develop applications for MARC21 must create their own usable version. My own database still lacks definitions and descriptions, and those will probably need to be added by screen-scraping hundreds of screens from the LC web site." 07:00 asaurat hi 07:08 mtj hiya adrien 07:12 dcook drojf: Bollard! 07:12 * dcook had to go look through his browser history 07:13 dcook I had never heard of the word until you mentioned it 07:13 dcook Then I was reading a book the next day and that word came up on the first page 07:13 dcook Thanks for expanding my vocabulary ^_^ 07:19 drojf dcook: heh. i got another word for you: baader-meinhof phenomenon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baader-Meinhof_phenomenon#Frequency_illusion 07:20 dcook rangi++ for explaining do-while loops to me ages ago 07:20 dcook drojf: hehe 07:21 dcook salut gaetan_B 07:21 gaetan_B salut dcook :) ça va ? 07:22 dcook ouais, assez bien, et toi? 07:42 dcook Eeep. Almost late for pizza. 07:42 dcook Night all! 07:42 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:43 kf good morning koha 07:47 sophie_m hello #koha 07:49 kf h sophie_m :) 07:49 sophie_m hi kf :-) 08:32 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:42 BobB hi all 08:43 BobB Is anyone about who is deeply familiar with self checkout? 09:10 kf hi BobB 09:10 kf do you mean the web based one or over sip? 09:10 BobB hi kf, the web based one 09:10 BobB I can't see how to return an item? 09:11 BobB Borrow: tick, Renew: tick, Return: huh? 09:11 kf hm have you activated returns? 09:11 BobB and the manual and help page do not document it, as far as I can see 09:11 kf i think there is a separate switch to activate that 09:12 kf which version are you looking at? 09:12 BobB The sys pref? Yes. 09:12 BobB 3.10 09:12 BobB sorry, 3.10.4 09:12 kf hm 09:12 kf our libraries are not using it 09:12 BobB That's what I said. 09:12 kf but i am trying to come up with some ideas 09:12 BobB :) 09:13 kf let me take a look 09:13 kf ok, so AllowSelfCheckReturns is turned on? 09:14 kf have you treid to turn it on and off again? (i had cases that helped to reset the database column to the right value) 09:17 kf hm in my tests i can't check out anything 09:17 BobB I expected an extra button with that sys pref on, but don't see it. 09:17 BobB Let me confirm. 09:18 kf BobB: you are right, there is no reutn button :( 09:19 BobB yeah, I turned the sys pref off and on again, refreshed the page, and still no return facility. 09:20 BobB Bug perhaps. 09:20 kf i tried both settingsnow 09:20 kf no change 09:20 kf yeah 09:20 kf i was going to look at the template to see where weshould see it 09:20 BobB cool, ok 09:21 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/sco/sco-main.tt;h=bfd71a2bb2cc39b640db7f96b0e008f5311465b6;hb=37234811a518f4446a5564e954df2aa34d606633#l152 09:21 kf i think probably something with the if check is wrong 09:23 BobB interesting 09:23 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 09:23 BobB not so good this time wahanui :) 09:24 BobB kf I think I'll open a bug? 09:24 BobB But I'll do it after dinner - fading quickly just now 09:25 kf hope it's something easy 09:25 kf <fieldset><legend> Check out[% IF ( AllowSelfCheckReturns ) %], return[% END %] or renew an item: </legend> < this shows rght for me saying return 09:26 BobB I'll open a bug and get mtj to look at it later. Thanks kf! 09:26 kf ok :) 09:27 BobB ok, some dinner now... 09:27 kf enjoy your dinner 10:52 jcamins Seriously? Someone added "Koha LiveDVD support discussion" to the agenda for the meeting? 10:55 jcamins Fortunately the only reason I looked at the agenda was to add my apologies. 11:15 BobB kf: back 11:15 BobB http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10358 11:17 kf BobB++ :) 11:18 BobB Thanks kf 11:42 samueld hi everybody 12:25 oleonard Hi #koha 12:25 oleonard Did y'all get lots done without the Americans yesterday? 12:26 jcamins oleonard: yeah! I spent so much time working... 12:26 oleonard We'll resume distracting you now jcamins 12:27 jcamins As an aside, there's something profoundly depressing about trying to match a bad site design. 12:28 kf hi oleonard :) 12:28 kf oleonard: i filed lots of bugs! 12:32 jcamins I need to make some breakfast. 12:32 * oleonard will have some too, thanks jcamins 12:32 jcamins I'm not quite sure what. 12:33 jcamins Here's a question... why isn't Facebook fully responsive? 12:34 oleonard Probably because they want to drive people to their mobile app which gives them more opportunities to slurp up personal data. 12:34 jcamins Hmmm... fair enough. 12:35 oleonard What site of that scale is responsive? 12:36 jcamins None that I know of, but it seems like they should be. 12:58 tcohen morning #koha 13:02 tcohen does anyone remember where was some docs of the DBIx class work by libsysgt? 13:04 jcamins tcohen: there wasn't any documentation. 13:04 tcohen ok jcamins ! 13:04 tcohen and the work itself? 13:04 jcamins It's on a bug. 13:04 tcohen is there a brnach somewherE? 13:04 tcohen oh, got it 13:04 jcamins @query dbix 13:05 jcamins Noooooooooooo!!!! huginn!!!!!!!!! 13:05 druthb lulz 13:06 tcohen what should i aply it to jcamins ? master? 13:07 jcamins Well, that's what it needs to be rebased against. 13:07 jcamins I don't know exactly where master was when it was written. 13:08 tcohen where those class files generated? 13:08 tcohen (I mean automatically) 13:08 jcamins Yeah, instructions are on the bug, I imagine. 13:08 oleonard huginn is sleeping off a Memorial Day weekend bender 13:08 jcamins I mostly ignored the work, since it had no short-term impact. 13:08 tcohen no rebase needed 13:09 kf gmcharlt: can you wake up huginn please? :) 13:10 tcohen hi kf 13:10 kf hi tcohen :) 13:13 tcohen bug 8309 13:14 jcamins tcohen: I think that one uses Moose, which is more problematic. 13:14 tcohen ok 13:14 jcamins Baby steps. 13:15 kf please no moose 13:15 kf we should use more marc 13:15 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 13:15 jcamins Hmmm... 13:16 jcamins We need an image that combines that image with this one: http://www.quickmeme.com/Vindictive-Canadian-Moose-Overlord/?upcoming 13:17 jcamins :) 13:17 druthb lulz 13:17 druthb I fear our m00shish overlords! 13:18 tcohen heh 13:19 tcohen i think Moose is not a problem itself, but running Koha as CGI is 13:19 jcamins Right. 13:20 tcohen of course if there's stuff like Moo or Mouse why use Moose 13:20 * druthb knows a few of the folks who have contributed to Moose, including the current CPAN owner. Proof that good people sometimes have questionable ideas. 13:21 jcamins Aww. This is so cute! 13:21 jcamins Myshkin is lying on the floor. 13:21 druthb uhm... 13:21 oleonard :D 13:22 jcamins Every time I walk by he stares at me, with his head going further and further back until he flops over. 13:22 jcamins Then he does it again when I walk by in the other direction. 13:22 druthb awr! 13:22 tcohen :-D 13:22 oleonard jcamins: Imagine how productive you would be if we were all on vacation and we took Myshkin with us 13:25 jcamins lol 13:25 kf can myshkin come to kohacon? pleeazze? 13:25 jcamins kf: probably not, sorry. 13:26 kf so unfair. 13:28 tcohen should memcached be enabled globally or per-instance with packages? 13:28 kf btw tcohen++ 13:29 jcamins Per-instance. 13:29 tcohen I'll provide koha-*-memcached scripts then 13:30 jcamins tcohen++ 13:31 druthb tcohen++ 13:31 druthb kf: I'd bring Pixel, but he'd have a hissy fit. 13:34 tcohen Florencio wouldn't make it to the embassy for a VISA, he's too lazy on winter 13:35 kf tcohen: lol 13:35 druthb I saw the picture the other day, with Florencio in your lap. Nice to know another person owned by a cat. :D 13:35 kf druthb: and you are shared property? :) 13:36 druthb I am currently chief-of-staff for two cats, yes. But Captain Midnight will be moving out when Lindsey does. 13:36 kf oh 13:37 tcohen he sits on my chest/back at around 5AM everyday and knocks my head until i go show him where his food was 13:37 druthb Besides, couldn't bring Captain anyway—his purring would disrupt the speakers. 13:37 druthb heheh. 13:37 druthb My two have taken to trying to stare me awake. They've discovered the un-wisdom of anything more interactive. 13:41 druthb Pixel has developed a very adorable habit. If I'm laying still in bed, and happen to have an arm sticking out from under the covers, he'll root around to get under my hand, and lay down and start purring. 13:41 jcamins Aww. 13:41 jcamins Cute! 13:42 druthb I've been trying to spend more time with him, and a little less with Cap, since Lindsey's announcement. 13:46 druthb tcohen: bgkriegel will probably be checking in with you about access to Jacinto, and the translation server; I'm working on handing all that off to him, so go ahead whenever he asks. 13:47 druthb Please don't revoke mine just yet; still working on documentation. ;-) 13:49 tcohen ok, i have is ssh keys from the es.koha-community.org server 13:50 kf :) 13:50 kf hope we can get pootle updated without it making problems 13:50 kf it would be nice 13:50 tcohen i'll just add them, as he's been elected 13:51 kf bgkriegel++ 13:51 druthb bgkriegel++ 14:04 tcohen bgkriegel has the power 14:08 tcohen i mean, SSH access 14:11 tcohen koha-memcached --enable|--disable vs. koha-memcached-enable|-disable ? any thoughts? 14:17 gmcharlt tcohen: seems OK to me (although even better, IMO, would be seeing if we can agree to just use memcached as a required dependency) 14:17 gmcharlt @quote random 14:17 gmcharlt ah 14:17 tcohen hi gmcharlt 14:18 tcohen we should agree i guess 14:18 oleonard gmcharlt: Did you bring huginn with you? 14:18 gmcharlt @quote random 14:18 jcamins Whew. 14:18 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #233: "<oleonard> How about Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" (added by gmcharlt at 05:06 PM, February 14, 2013) 14:18 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 14:42 druthb @quote random 14:42 huginn druthb: Quote #193: "<libsysguy> I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud // * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie." (added by slef at 02:56 PM, March 22, 2012) 14:43 * druthb would say she misses libsysguy…but she doesn't; he stops by her office from time to time. 14:47 tcohen @wunder buenos aires, argentina 14:47 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Buenos Aires, Argentina is 15.0°C (11:35 AM ART on May 28, 2013). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 14:48 tcohen cr*p 14:49 druthb @under 77098 14:49 huginn druthb: I've exhausted my database of quotes 14:49 druthb @wunder 77098 14:49 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (9:48 AM CDT on May 28, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 14:49 kf gmcharlt: hm not sure it should be mandatory to be used 14:49 gmcharlt kf: why not? 14:49 kf gmcharlt: memcache - there are problems with that because you have to wit to see changes 14:50 kf like when you edit a bibliographic framework 14:50 kf things don't take effect 14:50 kf one of the reasons we don't use it. 14:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7368: Correct three typos in history.txt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=342463b5796825e8dd941e575694e8e4be6aa274> / Bug 9424: Move JavaScript out of header include <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=25e6c2885d1547fd4ed28c29fd8462e33dc8b4f1> / Bug 10284: Add missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view (780/785) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb 14:51 kf gmcharlt: i tried running my dev install with memcached for a while, but it drove me nuts :( 14:51 kf maybe it's better now 14:54 gmcharlt there's been a lot of work recently, but I agree in general that the cache should be getting refreshed whenever things like bib frameworks and sysprefs get updated 14:54 gmcharlt something to duoble-check 14:54 gmcharlt but if/when that's been resolved, I think the advantages of having a guarantee that caching is available are significant 14:55 * tcohen remembers he forgot to work on that cache::memcached ideas for cache invalidator declaration 14:55 kf gmcharlt: i will love caching once that is resolved :) 14:55 kf tcohen++ again :) 14:55 kf even if he ignored my pm :) 14:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #1203 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:56 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:56 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.3°C (4:55 PM CEST on May 28, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 14:56 kf ah and gmcharlt++ :) 15:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10193 - Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=492a1a19f99c27ccbb94cab2fa4318379076bc6f> 15:02 rhcl @wunder 64507 15:02 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 26.5°C (10:02 AM CDT on May 28, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1005 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Wednesday morning... 15:04 pianohacker mornin' 15:06 adam_m Hello, I'm looking to get some sort of a USB keyboard wedge barcode scanner for Koha, does anyone have any suggestions as to a good one to use? 15:06 jcamins adam_m: any will work. 15:07 kf adam_m: basically what jcamins said, there are no Koha specifics when buying scanners 15:08 kf if you can scan into a text file it's going to work with koha 15:08 kf and now i am leaving .) 15:08 kf bye all! 15:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10218 - In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45168efeb9a2c6e3268e2f002ca31af8e5e6afc8> / Bug 10184 - Circulation History reverses sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3285261d0150113e597d48a5a78aee5fdc1ebd94> / Bug 9286 - Add script to add a bib to the zebra queue from the command line <http://git 15:13 jcamins oleonard's blog? 15:13 wahanui oleonard's blog is, like, http://www.myacpl.org/koha 15:16 jcamins oleonard: didn't you do a diagram showing the various user-editable regions on the OPAC? 15:16 tcohen for 3.2 if i remember 15:16 oleonard Yes, and it's out of date now I think 15:17 jcamins Oh, I know, but I'm trying to explain that Koha really is _that_ customizable. 15:17 oleonard http://www.myacpl.org/koha/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/opac-customizable-regions.gif 15:17 jcamins Thanks. 15:18 oleonard I wonder if I saved that as a Photoshop file or something... 15:20 tcohen http://grooveshark.com/s/Weekend+Wars/4xZXxf?src=5 15:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10262 - fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=040eb4016f4b01d44f87ab6aca515c6917f73479> 15:36 adam_m Is there any way to have all the information be added simply by providing koha with only the ISBN or UPC code 15:36 jcamins Not automatically. 15:36 jcamins You can use Z39.50 to try and download records from other libraries, though. 15:36 reiveune bye 15:37 adam_m ok, what would be the best way, slash best library to do that from 15:37 pianohacker adam_m: There's a pretty good set that comes with koha 15:38 pianohacker adam_m: you might also consider asking some large local libraries you're in contact with for their Z39.50 info 15:38 pianohacker Library of Congress's records exist for just about anything but can be a bit sparse 15:38 adam_m where is that set that comes with koha? 15:39 jcamins Well, LC has records for most of the books that a school or public library in the US would use. If you are outside the US, you may find it a lot less useful. 15:39 jcamins adam_m: they're included in the sample data that it gave you the option to install when you ran the installer. 15:42 adam_m perhaps, perhaps not, I'm in Canada, so they could be all the same, though I am unsure haha, I don't know a whole lot about this to be honest all of my background is in programming, I was asked to set up some sort of library system however so this is where In find myself, so sory if my questions seem silly. 15:43 JoeLib001 Debian Wheezy is out and my System Admin wants to know, if or when Koha will support it. I have installed Debian Wheezy, installed tinymce2, added the koha-squeeze main repo and everything installed on a VM. Though, that's not quite what he wants, I think. ;-) 15:43 jcamins JoeLib001: that's all there is to it. 15:44 JoeLib001 Will there be an "official" koha wheezy repo any time soon? 15:44 jcamins I don't know if there are any plans to change "squeeze" to "wheezy" since "squeeze" does not mean anything in the context of Koha. 15:44 JoeLib001 Ah, ok. 15:44 jcamins So... maybe, if the packaging manager thinks there should be? 15:46 JoeLib001 tinymce2 just isn't in Wheezy is the only real problem then? 15:46 jcamins Right. 15:46 jcamins At least, so far as I know. 15:46 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-) 15:47 JoeLib001 I will see what he says then. XD 15:55 oleonard Just had a good suggestion from my staff for a new notice: Advance notice of account expiration 15:56 JoeLib001 That topic was just discussed on the Mailing list for our ILS. ;-) 15:56 JoeLib001 I give them 6 months to a year, if they ever get it implemeneted. XD 15:57 JoeLib001 We currently use Koha for Periodicals/Acquisitions. ;-) 15:58 gmcharlt oleonard: JoeLib001: must be a confluence -- there's been some chatter on the Evergreen mailing lists about a similar thing 15:58 JoeLib001 It's a good idea. 15:58 oleonard It's becoming a big issue now that more patrons are using the library exclusively for digital services (ebooks, downloads, etc) 15:59 oleonard They never come in to the library to get prompted to renew their account in person. 15:59 JoeLib001 It probably was just a matter of time considering the push towards more electronic content. 16:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1203: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1203/ 16:07 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10284: Add missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view (780/785) 16:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9424: Move JavaScript out of header include 16:07 jenkins_koha * Connor Fraser: Bug 7368: Correct three typos in history.txt 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10284 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view for 785/780 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9424 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move JavaScript out of header include 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus 16:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1204 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1202 3 days 21 hr ago) 16:12 gaetan_B bye ! 16:50 cait bug 6173 16:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6173 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Cronjob to send account expiry notices 16:50 druthb wahanui: cait? 16:50 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary 16:50 druthb :P 16:51 cait i was peeking in the message logs 16:51 adam_m Hello, so I've set up a connection to the National library in Canada, I'm sort of assuming that I can now just search for whatever books that i do have on there and then just import all the information that i need from there 16:51 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie 16:51 wahanui :) 16:55 cait didn't someone ask for account renewal mailsß 16:55 cait ? 16:57 cait oh well :) 16:57 * cait disappears again to work on her distance study course 17:15 jcamins adam_m: you should always ask questions on the main board, as as a matter of principle most people do not respond to private messages. 17:16 adam_m sorry 17:19 jcamins The most likely issue if you're having problems placing holds is that you either A) do not have an item attached to the record in question, or B) do not have a circulation rule set up. 17:23 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 17:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1204: FIXED in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1204/ 17:23 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10193 - Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view 17:23 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9286 - Add script to add a bib to the zebra queue from the command line 17:23 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10184 - Circulation History reverses sort order 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10193 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view 17:23 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10218 - In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access' 17:23 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10262 - fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9286 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add script to add a bib to the zebra queue from the command line 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10184 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Circulation History reverses sort order 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10218 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, ASSIGNED , In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access' 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10262 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl 17:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #1205 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 17:34 drojf good evenin g#koha 17:38 pianohacker debugging an indexdata product: read errors/logfiles, fail to understand them; read documentation, fail to find specifics; read source code, fail to understand how it compiles 17:41 jcamins pianohacker: sounds about right. 17:53 jcamins And those are just the highlights! 17:54 jcamins pianohacker: out of curiosity, which are you debugging? 18:04 pianohacker jcamins: Trying to figure out a pazpar2 configuration issue 18:04 jcamins pianohacker: fun! 18:05 pianohacker always. these guys write powerful, speedy code, but man... 18:10 jcamins [off] I thought about using their documentation practices as a model... if anyone wants to use your software you're pretty much guaranteed a consulting contract, but it turns out that if you don't write anything down you can't remember what anything does. :P 18:11 pianohacker that's almost too darkly true to be funny... 18:16 druthb two caits! WOOO HOO 18:16 * druthb will cait-nap one, when she comes over for KohaCon 18:18 cait1 only got one plane tix :) 18:18 drojf you only need one for the return flight… 18:19 druthb right…the other one can stay behind and hack on Koha for BSZ. The other one gets a nice long break, can hack on Koha as she pleases. 18:20 * druthb wonders if drojf is planning on KohaCon, toooo 18:20 * druthb would welcome an invasion of Germans. 18:21 jcamins druthb: there's a problem with kidnapping drojf and making him stay in the States, though. No one would be able to pronounce his name. :P 18:21 druthb Big deal, jcamins. I have that problem already. 18:23 druthb I had a friend who was a Dutch Indonesian..as a small child, he hid from Japanese soldiers in the jungle, during WW2; his family emigrated to the US after the war. His last name was "De Vlugt"…but if you read it on a sign, and asked him how to pronounce it, he would say "Smith!" with a maniacal cackle. 18:23 drojf druthb: unfortunately no 18:24 jcamins lol 18:24 drojf unless cait is willing to carry me in her luggage 18:24 druthb (Then he'd tell it right: de-FLOO'kt) 18:26 * druthb will send cait a bigger suitcase. 18:26 drojf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQvjKqXA0Y 18:26 cait1 drojf: you think you could hunger down to 23kg? 18:26 drojf i can try 18:26 drojf no, i can't 18:26 drojf :D 18:27 cait1 yeah i think it's probably not a good idea 18:28 drojf i would be really grumpy ;) 18:35 druthb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s 18:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1205: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1205/ 18:50 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cait: You can make portions of strings translatable like this, right?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27 18:52 jcamins cait1: actually, that question was for you. 18:54 jcamins oleonard: don't suppose you have any idea how to remove a cookie using JS/jQuery? 18:55 jcamins oleonard: let me rephrase that... I don't suppose you have any idea how I should do it in the Koha codebase? 18:58 jcamins Figured it out. 18:58 jcamins I set the expiration to negative. 18:58 jcamins Apparently that's the only way to do it. 18:58 pianohacker jcamins: Yeah, that's the method I know 18:59 jcamins pianohacker: we're using jquery.cookie, which talks about a removeCookie method, but I can't find any evidence of it or anything other than simply expiring the cookie anywhere. 18:59 jcamins Hey, I like this. 19:00 * jcamins just did cookie-based merging for authorities, and it's very convenient. 19:01 smeagol Wondering why I'm getting this error on a dev install when trying to access web installer? "Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 791" Has anyone seen this? thanks. 19:01 jcamins It is perfect for my inner slacker, which says "I don't want to move my mouse." 19:01 cait1 which question? 19:01 jcamins smeagol: it sounds like you don't have the KOHA_CONF environment variable set. 19:02 jcamins cait1: the one in the pastebin. 19:02 jcamins I have two translatable strings and a bunch of HTML, and I would prefer to only ask people to translate the English. 19:06 cait1 looksgood 19:06 jcamins \o/ 19:07 smeagol jcamins: i did export koha_conf=/root/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml..??? 19:08 jcamins smeagol: it has to be exported to your web browser. 19:08 jcamins Not browser. 19:08 jcamins Server. 19:08 jcamins Sorry. 19:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:08 mtompset *sigh* I'm having indexing issues, it would seem. :( 19:09 jcamins And I think you might have the wrong path. /root doesn't seem like a very probable place to have your koha-dev. 19:09 rangi smeagol: and case matters its KOHA_CONF 19:09 jcamins Also that. 19:09 wahanui it has been said that also that is a giant undertaking 19:14 rangi new developer! 19:14 jcamins \o/ 19:14 cait1 oh where? 19:14 drojf woah i am #7 in the signoffs list for may. and i have been a really lazy bum. everybody should do more signoffs… 19:15 rangi 212 19:15 rangi connor fraser 19:15 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=summary 19:15 rangi peter was teaching them how to contribute on the weekned 19:16 * jcamins is on vacation until June 1. 19:16 cait1 nice .) 19:16 cait1 drojf++ 19:16 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=Koha&c= 19:16 rangi needs signoff is trending the wrong way, we 19:16 rangi will have to fix that :) 19:24 cait1 go rangi go :) 19:28 jcamins oleonard: you can give a style tag an id, right? 19:28 oleonard I suppose so 19:28 rangi cait1: ive been doing qa stuff 19:29 rangi but ill do some more sign offs soon and others can qa them 19:29 cait1 jcamins: i can check if you want? 19:29 cait1 rangi: sounds good to me :) 19:29 rangi cait1: there are only 5 in passed qa, we have to keep that full or gmcharlt will get bored ;-) 19:29 jcamins cait1: check what? 19:30 cait1 if you can or not :) 19:30 jcamins Oh. 19:30 jcamins I can check. 19:30 jcamins I'll give a style tag an ID, and see if I can use it. 19:30 jcamins If I can, WIN! 19:30 cait1 it can 19:30 jcamins WIN! 19:31 pianohacker I guess the only real question is if getElementById works for things outside the body 19:32 jcamins pianohacker: ooh, good point. 19:33 jcamins Looks like you can. 19:33 jcamins http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13357515/how-to-dynamically-change-the-style-tag-using-javascript 19:34 oleonard Or you could change the class of the body tag and apply different rules that way, or something similar. 19:34 jcamins oleonard: the challenge is that I want to rewrite opacusercss with javascript. 19:35 oleonard Oh, then just create a new system preference: opacusercssoverride :P 19:35 jcamins No, that wouldn't work. 19:36 oleonard Right, because you'd have to add a new one: opacusercssoverrideoverride just in case 19:36 pianohacker jcamins: what are you doing? 19:36 jcamins The point is I want to test things using Javascript without actually saving the changes. 19:36 jcamins pianohacker: embedded style preview. 19:36 pianohacker ooooh 19:36 pianohacker that sounds fancy as all get-out 19:36 jcamins Well, right now I'm making merging authorities from the reservoir work. 19:36 jcamins But I can't think about one thing at a time. 19:37 jcamins Apparently. 19:37 rangi heh 20:34 jeff thinking on cross-ils APIs again, is koha more/less expressive than "ready for pickup" and "total" with regard to holds, or with regard to circs/checkouts, does out/claims-returned/long-overdue/overdue/lost/total logically map to koha? 20:34 jeff (talking in terms of a summary of a patron account) 20:40 jcamins jeff: Koha does not currently have claims-returned support, really. 20:41 jeff got it. well, in that case then it would always be absent / zero, i suppose! 20:41 jcamins As for holds, you can look at a list of what items a patron has on hold. 20:42 tweetbot [off] twitter: @Tredok: "a encore choisi à l'arrache les patchs à signer jeudi ^^ #KohaILS" 20:44 jeff jcamins: this is the context of my inquiry -- my most recent example of fetching a user summary via LibraryREST from Evergreen: https://gist.github.com/jeff/0b26193dc32c5397c2de 20:45 jeff (at some point a better term than LibraryREST may be desired, but that's what's sticking for now) 20:48 jcamins Nifty! 20:55 wizzyrea well you can set a lost authorised value for claims returned 20:55 wizzyrea it doesn't do anything though 20:55 wizzyrea and good morning 20:55 jeff good morning! 21:10 rangi back 21:43 mtompset okay... I really have a search problem. 21:43 mtompset I did a fresh git install. 21:43 mtompset and I loaded my data from our live system into it. 21:44 mtompset when I do a search, I get nothing. 21:44 mtompset I did a full reindex. 21:44 mtompset I restarted zebra. 21:44 wizzyrea indexes owned by the correct user? 21:44 mtompset any other suggestions? 21:44 wahanui any other suggestions are welcome 21:44 rangi permissions is most likely the problem 21:45 mtompset everything in my home directory is owned by me. 21:46 mtompset except the koha error logs. 21:46 mtompset and I know those are fine, because they are registering the silent errors. 21:46 wizzyrea zebra is running as you? 21:47 mtompset Yes. 21:48 mtompset I'll have to try later. Running late now. 21:48 mtompset Have a great day, everyone. 22:11 bag mtompset marc21? 22:11 bag oh missed him by a lot :P 22:12 cait1 hi bag 22:12 bag hey cait1 22:13 cait and good night :) 22:14 drojf buy humble bundle, sign off on koha patches instead of playing. leisure time, i'm doing it right. 22:14 wizzyrea @quote add <drojf> buy humble bundle, sign off on koha patches instead of playing. leisure time, i'm doing it right. 22:14 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 22:14 wizzyrea Nooooo 22:15 drojf heh 22:15 wizzyrea @quote add <drojf> buy humble bundle, sign off on koha patches instead of playing. leisure time, i'm doing it right. 22:15 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #253 added. 22:15 wizzyrea take that 22:15 wizzyrea @quote get 252 22:15 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013) 22:15 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 22:15 * wizzyrea nods 22:16 wizzyrea @quote get 251 22:16 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #251: "<zebran00b> I'm thinking there's a regular expression for this" (added by wizzyrea at 04:56 AM, May 24, 2013) 22:16 drojf lol 22:25 pianohacker I'm beginning to get this feeling that jcamins passionately hates MARC21/AACR 22:27 rhcl we need a new format: anti-marc 22:28 eythian hi 22:29 pianohacker yo 22:30 drojf hi eythian 22:30 drojf rhcl: let's call it ɔɹÉɯ 22:30 rhcl how did you do that? 22:32 eythian you turn your keyboard around 22:33 rhcl well, that's easier than standing on one's head I suppose 22:33 rhcl I'm thinking escape codes in the chat client? 22:34 eythian nah, just UTF-8 22:34 rhcl diff subject: Anyone know if any of Douglas County's (Colorado, USA) Libraries are using Koha or EG? 22:34 eythian http://www.fliptext.org/ <-- or use this 22:35 rhcl For those that don't follow it, that library system is a (USA) pioneer on self-hosting ebooks. I was wondering how they might have integrated them into their ILS. 22:35 eythian might be worth looking in libwebcats 22:36 pianohacker for future reference, if you are configuring targets in pazpar2 completely through the webservice, you have to set the pz:name setting 22:36 rhcl My state (Missouri) is apparently ready to follow in their footsteps, and set up a state-wide "owned" ebook solution. 22:36 pianohacker nothing else seems to be required, but that's a very important undocumented requirement... 22:37 wizzyrea ugh why rhcl - Yay, government DRM! seems legit. 22:38 eythian pianohacker: you should document it 22:38 wizzyrea you still own nothing 22:38 rangi its cheaper nothing 22:38 rangi thats the only win i see 22:38 rhcl Well, no. Both Douglas County and (apparently) MO are emphasizing the problem of licensing, and the desire to serve DRM-free content. 22:39 wizzyrea yea, afaict they haven't actually gotten that. 22:39 pianohacker eythian: fingers crossed, it will in the form of code comments :) 22:39 eythian that works too :) 22:39 pianohacker rhcl: Doesn't douglas county use overdrive? Their site points at that 22:39 rhcl and they do "own" the titles, although with the licensing restrictions in place. This really does "replace" Overdrive 22:40 rhcl I can forward an email with links if anyone is interested. 22:40 rangi they no more own them than they did with overdrive 22:40 rangi the licensing agreements say that 22:40 rangi they are renting 22:40 rangi just from publishers instead of overdrive 22:40 rangi cutting out overdrive is a win 22:40 wizzyrea ^ 22:40 rangi but its not revolutionary or a great leap forward, its cheaper rentl 22:40 rangi als 22:40 rangi which is cool and all 22:40 rhcl With overdrive they were clearly term-limited and licensed. With the "owned" instances the books never expire, they sit firmly on your servers. 22:41 rangi yeah just like 1984 sat firmly on peoples kindles 22:41 rhcl Realize I hate DRM as much as anyone, but this is somewhat better than Overdrive, which I truly dislike 22:41 rangi *nod* 22:41 rangi i repeat 22:41 wizzyrea lesser of two evils is still evil :P 22:41 rangi but its not revolutionary or a great leap forward, its cheaper rentals :) 22:41 rhcl agreed 22:41 rangi its better than it was 22:42 rangi id love to see a library go, you know what 22:42 rangi tor, they offer drm free 22:42 rangi im gonna buy their entire catalogue 22:42 rangi and screw the rest of your douchebags 22:42 rangi unlikely i know 22:42 rangi but that id cheer about :) 22:42 rangi hell id sign up as a member to them :) 22:43 wizzyrea the only libraries i know of in colorado that use koha, to answer your original question, ar CLIC, and they run the thing that masquerades as Koha but isn't 22:43 rhcl wizzyrea: do you know Monique? I've met her a few times, and she's visited here too. The director there really does have an open-source interest. 22:44 rangi back to your question 22:44 wizzyrea monique doesn't sound familiar 22:44 rangi they run horizon 22:44 pianohacker wizzyrea: Me raises a tiny, insignificant flag for a small library in Florence, CO ;) 22:44 wizzyrea oh right I forgot about yours :) 22:44 rangi oh yeah :) 22:44 pianohacker rangi: Yeah, I got the same from libwebcats 22:44 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=1463 22:44 rhcl she was tech director or something at Johnson County libraries until moving to Douglas 22:44 drojf rhcl: it's a function in duckduckgo but there are aseveral other sites as eythian pointed out https://duckduckgo.com/?kl=wt-wt&ks=s&kr=-1&ke=-1&kp=-1&kf=-1&q=flip+marc 22:44 wizzyrea but you're not in douglas county eh? 22:45 pianohacker nope, jefferson county 22:45 wizzyrea so funny those are all the same counties that were in NEKLS - it's so confusing :) 22:45 * jcamins waits impatiently for the flatbread to be done. 22:45 jcamins I'm making mozzarella-cashew flatbread. 22:45 pianohacker looks like douglas county has a lot of money/programmers, as the OPAC looks completely custom 22:45 * drojf waits impatiently to find the enery to go to bed 22:46 pianohacker jcamins: I love all three of those things, at least on their own :) 22:46 rhcl yep, they have a growing area, good revenue stream 22:46 eythian rangi: start with China Miéville. His books are annoyingly un-put-downable, and are on tor as DRM free. 22:46 drojf energy even 22:47 jcamins pianohacker: vufind with some serious added content, I think. 22:47 rhcl "...forging agreements9 with independent publishers such as SmashWords, Akashic, Untreed, Poisoned Pen, and the Colorado Independent Publishers Association..." 22:47 pianohacker jcamins: vufind would make sense 22:47 rangi eythian: noted ;) 22:48 eythian http://www.panmacmillan.com/book/chinamieville/railsea <-- also, that one is on sale until the end of the month or so 22:48 rhcl http://publiclibrariesonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/51n1fig3.jpg 22:48 eythian (the summary makes it sound odder than it really is :) 22:49 pianohacker huh, jefferson county runs iii. don't see a lot of them 22:49 rhcl they have a mysql server to serve the very significant amount of non-DRM titles 22:49 jcamins iii? You don't see a lot of iii? 22:49 jcamins Millennium is one of the market leaders! 22:49 jcamins Which is sad. 22:50 pianohacker not as common here in Colorado, at least. 22:50 jcamins Lucky. ;) 22:52 pianohacker haha, yeah. as painful as migrating our ~15000 bib/1500 patron collection from old Horizon was, apparently that was on the low end of the pain/numbers spectrum :) 22:52 pianohacker massive amounts of data munging in perl to get borrowers into 2.2.9 22:52 jcamins Close, but not quite done. 22:53 * jcamins continues being impatient. 22:54 jcamins Gosh that looks and smells good (and done!:D). 22:56 eythian are there likely to be any bad effects from zapping the sessions table (aside from logging everyone out?) 22:57 gmcharlt eythian: disappointed data miners, perhaps 22:57 eythian gmcharlt: that sounds like a plus :) 22:57 gmcharlt heh 22:57 eythian this is just for a test system anyway 22:58 wizzyrea doesn't the cleanup script zap it every night anyway? 22:58 jcamins eythian: nope. No bad effects. 22:58 gmcharlt wizzyrea: why do you think the data miners have been disapoointed for years at this point? ;) 22:58 wizzyrea :D 22:58 eythian it does, though I think it only deletes ones that are a couple of days old (not sure of the specifics) 22:59 jcamins Wow. That is some pretty damn tasty flatbread. 22:59 wizzyrea you must send me the recipe please 22:59 jcamins eythian: it's supposed to be > a couple days old. 22:59 eythian yeah, that's what I thought 23:00 jcamins wizzyrea: it's the semolina recipe in Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day, rolled out flat, rubbed with basil olive oil, sprinkled with rosemary, mozzarella, and broken cashews. 23:00 wizzyrea ohh 23:01 jcamins I'm trying to reduce the amount of time I spend on baking while increasing the amount of deliciousness. 23:01 jcamins Therefore I am giving Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day a serious try. 23:06 jcamins And the dough is from... 23:06 jcamins Saturdayish. 23:06 jcamins Or maybe Fridayish. 23:07 jcamins The 24th. 23:08 jcamins Friday. 23:31 jcamins There are some challenges to putting the finishing touches on an application that uses app cache. 23:32 jcamins Change the code... nothing happens... shift-refresh... no change... alt-refresh... nothing... shift-alt-refresh... no... oh yeah! app cache... log out... log back in... get told to refresh the page... code has changed. 23:32 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right 23:32 rangi heh 23:40 pianohacker all right, off for the day. 'night #koha :) 23:40 eythian later 23:47 * jeff yawns 23:48 wizzyrea you know I really missed pianohacker :) 23:48 wizzyrea i'm glad he's back 23:48 * wizzyrea thinks that pianohacker and cjh would be great friends. 23:49 eythian They're the same person. Ever seen them in the same room together? See. 23:49 wizzyrea omg. 23:49 cjh and now that you all know... 23:49 cjh I can't let this get out. 23:49 wizzyrea i thought you were going to bed :P 23:51 cjh get the popcorn? 23:51 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif 23:55 rangi i cant .. even .. find .. the ... words 23:55 wizzyrea yea just don' 23:55 wizzyrea don't bother 23:55 rangi the problem is 23:55 * wizzyrea puts away the popcorn 23:55 rangi threads end up 23:55 jcamins Huh? 23:55 rangi with his complete bullshit mis information as the last workd 23:55 rangi -k 23:55 cjh jcamins: memcached discussion in koha-devel 23:55 jcamins Oh. 23:55 * jcamins does a happy dance. 23:56 jcamins The filter worked! 23:56 cjh heh 23:56 jcamins Winwinwinwinwinwinwinwinwinwinwin!!!!! 23:56 wizzyrea loool 23:56 wizzyrea get the popcorn? 23:56 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif 23:56 * cjh feels like replying with 'no' 23:56 rangi that seems appropriate 23:57 eythian jcamins: it's OK, you'll see his content in my reply in 5 .. 4 ... 3 ... 23:57 rangi lol 23:57 jcamins eythian: haven't I told you before about not removing headers? 23:58 eythian I actually CC'ed you. 23:58 eythian (disclaimer: that may be a lie) 23:58 jcamins lol