Time Nick Message 23:58 jcamins Very good. :) 23:58 wizzyrea that's good though 23:57 dcook morning #koha 23:57 jcamins And finding scads of bugs. :( 23:56 jcamins Shari is testing. 23:55 wizzyrea oh of course :) 23:55 jcamins biblionarrator, of course! 23:54 wizzyrea what's the project? ;) 23:53 jcamins Github wins. 23:49 * jcamins had no idea. 23:49 wizzyrea their tools are quite good 23:49 wizzyrea well I'd just run the project through github 23:48 jcamins I didn't even know Github had one. 23:48 jcamins You know, you're the second person to say that. 23:48 wizzyrea because people can attach pull requests to bugs 23:48 wizzyrea probably github's 23:48 wizzyrea in all truth? 23:47 wizzyrea oh boy. 23:46 jcamins If you needed a bug tracker for a new project, which one would you use? 22:51 wizzyrea they had been messed up for a while 22:51 wizzyrea heh, that kind of depends on whether we even get upload permissions 22:50 jcamins As long as you change it on the new server, doesn't seem like it would be a problem? 22:49 wizzyrea really probably no point right now. 22:49 wizzyrea but the server is in flux so... 22:49 wizzyrea meant/mean 22:49 wizzyrea which reminds me that I really meant to re-do the website. 22:49 wizzyrea firefox has quite a big brand/marketing 22:48 eythian the bigger end-user ones, like firefox and stuff probably count 22:47 jcamins Yeah, exactly. 22:47 eythian http://httpd.apache.org/ <-- as opposed to stuff like this 22:47 eythian http://handbrake.fr/ <-- you mean stuff like this? 22:46 jcamins eythian: yeah, that's what I said. "I'm sure there are some." 22:46 eythian I can't think of examples off the top of my head 22:46 eythian there probably are some 22:46 jcamins Shari asks if anyone knows of any software projects that do a good job selling themselves on their website. 22:43 jcamins I'm not so sure about using it for the tech carts, though. 22:42 jcamins Like, every year Professor Smith places a hold on Film A for May 15. 22:40 jcamins I don't know, there is a certain logic to having recurring holds in Koha. Assuming that it's for something that you check out. 22:13 maximep gn 22:11 drojf good night cait 22:11 cait good night all 21:41 maximep well, more like 65 hours -_- 21:41 maximep for now it just AddReserves everything when u place the hold 21:40 maximep nah, that's only a few hours 21:40 cait looks like you are far already 21:40 cait ah 21:38 maximep [off] http://i.imgur.com/TE2Ji39.png 21:37 cait hi eythian 21:37 wizzyrea plugin :P 21:37 maximep there would be so much code and features duplication 21:36 wahanui bidet, eythian 21:36 eythian hi 21:36 cait i can only imagine i tmakes something overly complicated even more complicated :) 21:36 wizzyrea what she said. 21:36 cait maximep: maybe it would be worth to have that feature separate from the holds system somehow? 21:36 cait :) 21:35 * tcohen flies away, literally 21:35 maximep but they want to just use koha for everything 21:35 maximep they were using other apps to do it 21:34 wizzyrea no I meant, external to koha :P 21:34 maximep yes, it will be a future feature 21:34 maximep our clients are starting to use koha to manage more than just their books 21:34 wizzyrea don't you really want a calendar for that kind of thing? 21:33 maximep borrowing a tv every monday from 10 to 12 for the next 4 months 21:32 maximep well, something as simple as 21:32 maximep my code is very dependant on the patches by khall to have multiple reserves for the same user 21:32 cait and how many crazy hold schemes are out there? 21:32 cait what does a repeating hold do? 21:32 cait not sure if you interfere with each other or not 21:31 cait maximep: i think marcelr has done work in that area 21:31 maximep haha 21:31 wizzyrea interesting. fix it while you're at it. 21:31 maximep working on a feature to have repeating holds, so i'm deep in that code right now 21:30 wizzyrea glhf :) 21:30 rangi ok off to meetings 21:30 cait if I understand the feature correctly - we aren't using it so far 21:30 maximep hmmm good point 21:29 wizzyrea ^^ 21:29 cait nto that you get it exactly on that day 21:29 maximep *see results* :P 21:29 cait i mean it' smeans just that the hold will take effect then, right? 21:29 cait maybe not intentional but it seems not evil 21:29 wizzyrea pass 21:29 cait hm 21:29 maximep yes 21:29 cait do you mean with hold date in the future? 21:28 cait ? 21:28 maximep poll: bug or feature that it's possible to create holds on holidays 21:11 tcohen welcome back wahanui 21:11 wahanui drojf has karma of 96 21:11 cait karma for drojf 21:10 wahanui drofj has neutral karma 21:10 cait karma for drofj? 21:08 drojf cool! 21:08 rangi that trick too 21:08 wahanui rangi has karma of 575 21:08 rangi karma for rangi 21:08 wahanui rangi: i'm not following you... 21:08 rangi wahanui already knows that trick 21:08 wahanui rangi was last seen on #koha 0 seconds ago, saying: wahanui: seen rangi? [Mon May 27 21:08:09 2013] 21:08 rangi wahanui: seen rangi? 21:08 rangi watch even 21:07 rangi what this 20:46 cait yeah :( 20:46 wizzyrea ah is huginn gone awol 20:46 drojf huginn should teach wahanui some of the tricks… 20:45 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 20:40 cait fingers crossed! 20:39 tcohen if i get the visa 20:39 tcohen i'll know on wednesday 20:39 tcohen i'mflying tonight to buenos aires 20:38 tcohen but my boss told me "get your visa, then we talk" 20:38 tcohen if i had the money i'd made my reservation already 20:38 cait guess it's a little easier from europe :( 20:37 cait oh 20:37 cait i might be confused 20:37 tcohen until i0m not sure i can enter US soil i cannot register 20:37 cait or were you talking about something else? 20:37 cait for kohacon :) 20:37 tcohen registration? 20:36 cait i am still waiting and getting a bit worried 20:36 cait tcohen: did you get an email confirming your registration? 20:36 tcohen #koha, i've been told invitation letters were sent for people applying for their US visas 20:33 tcohen @seen rangi 20:31 tcohen hi rangi 20:27 cait someone tell me to hit that *Pay* button please 20:27 cait ok 20:27 drojf jcamins: sounds like fun :) 20:25 cait must be worth the time then :) 20:22 jcamins drojf: actually, I've been battling that book for hours. 20:22 jcamins drojf: yay! 20:15 * druthb blames cait! 20:14 druthb ! 20:09 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 20:09 cait germs? 20:09 cait what did you expect? 20:09 cait it's german 20:09 cait nope 20:07 drojf or it's just my brain… 20:07 drojf cait: our language is complicated 20:05 drojf (you are probably way past that book by now) 20:05 kathryn hehe 20:05 wahanui i guess huginn is a bot, not a person. 20:05 cait huginn.... 20:04 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:04 drojf jcamins: so, after discussing it with a friend and asking google, in the end i'd say my first response was the correct one and i invented the existence of another word. ;) 20:04 cait here too :) 20:01 kathryn hmmn I've forgotten something - it's chilly! 20:01 kathryn @wunder wellington,nz 20:01 kathryn evening cait 20:00 cait good morning kathryn 19:58 drojf jcamins: do you have some more context for us? 19:57 wahanui it has been said that glue is stil drying. 19:57 drojf glue?? 19:56 cait the things you glue into books? 19:56 cait but can't thnk of the word 19:56 cait i think i know what you think about 19:55 drojf i asked a bookseller friend and she says she knows no other word for it than widmung/gewidmet. maybe i made up that i know another word 19:51 cait jcamins: he is right, normally you would use it as 'dedicated to' 19:51 * cait thinks about the word too now 19:50 druthb :P 19:50 cait hmm 19:49 drojf druthb: that feels weird :D 19:47 drojf there is a different word i am looking for but i can't come up with it. that's ridiculous. anyway i really think a widmung implies it is done by the author, not a person giving away the book 19:47 * druthb stuffs drojf into Google Translate. 19:43 drojf woah i got wortfindungsstörungen 19:42 drojf sorry ;) 19:42 jcamins That complicates things. 19:42 jcamins Ooh. 19:41 drojf no on a second thought… i thjink it can only be gewidmet by the author, like "dedicated to". but now i'm not sure you meant that 19:41 jcamins It's actually Yiddish that I'm looking at. 19:40 jcamins I'll take that first response. 19:40 drojf lol 19:40 drojf language. think about it a second and all or nothing is possible 19:40 drojf hm. or… 19:39 drojf absolutely! 19:39 jcamins drojf: can "gewidmet" be used to refer to what you do when you sign a book to give to someone? 19:37 drojf (2) is completely wrong btw 19:36 drojf heh 19:36 jcamins Probably "haus." :P 19:36 drojf jcamins: i wonder how it is pronounced :D 19:35 jcamins drojf: never heard of that. 19:34 adam_m Perfect, thanks! 19:33 maximep adam_m: this page http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide can be very useful at first 19:32 adam_m thanks, hopefully this works :) 19:32 drojf jcamins: is that really used?? (1) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=haus 19:31 * drojf makes a note in the calendar 19:30 adam_m ah ok, that could be it, no i didn't make a rule for ciculation 19:30 drojf first time ever i was faster than jcamins :) 19:30 drojf ha! 19:30 jcamins jinx. 19:30 jcamins ... and drojf already answered. 19:30 jcamins adam_m: you need to do two things for it to work: 1) you must be creating items. 2) you must set up a default rule for circulation. 19:30 drojf have you set a default rule for circulation? and have you added items to the biblios? 19:30 adam_m And yes so far it seems like quite a good fit for our small rural school district 19:28 adam_m It says there arent any available or whatnot. Is there something im missing when I add the actual book, such as the number of them to add? 19:27 adam_m I have added a library and added a few books, but it seems that the accounds i created cannot take any books out 19:27 drojf cool. i hope you like it 19:27 adam_m I recently installed Koha, and have just been playing around with it before we actually start using it. 19:27 drojf hi adam_m 19:26 adam_m Hello 19:25 drojf ok. it keeps wifi when it goes into standby and searches duckduckgo via https instead of google. got to add "firefox os developer" to my business card :P 18:37 drojf AH! i was in the wrong folder and setup a branch just for gaia. no idea how to get rid of that or if it matters, but in the correct folder everything works ok 18:35 maximep hey khall, is t/db_dependent/Holds.t in bug 9394 meant to replace t/db_dependent/Reserves.t ? 18:34 drojf lol i guess you are right 18:33 jcamins drojf: I'm pretty sure that's the reasoning of everyone who decides to use the tarball and zebraqueue_daemon. 18:32 drojf but i finally managed to build the latest version so i'd like to play a bit more with it ;) there is probably some settings file that i could just search on the phone but where is the fun in that? 18:31 drojf definitely not ready 18:31 drojf if you want to build it, yes. there is no obvious option to change it in the settings at this point 18:31 * jcamins thinks that possibly Firefox OS is not ready for primetime. 18:30 jcamins That requires git? 18:30 drojf trying to make the web browser on my phone use duckduckgo instead of google 18:29 jcamins What are you doing? 18:29 drojf it's probably different for b2g/firefox os, but i am really sure this is exactly how i did it last time. and it worked. 18:28 jcamins Or if you don't want a branch based on master. 18:28 jcamins Unless you don't call your remote origin. 18:28 jcamins Yes. 18:27 * drojf is confused 18:27 drojf isn't it 'git checkout -b newbranchname origin/master' ? 18:26 drojf i bet hungarian is a nice language to learn too 18:25 drojf lol 18:25 drojf it's hard to say really without knowing the contents 18:25 jcamins I love these Hungarian things that I have to ask for German help on. :/ 18:25 drojf it could be an evaluation too 18:24 drojf in a less fairytale-y way 18:24 drojf i think it is more an "erzählung" kind of "bericht! something like this http://dict.leo.org/ende/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=&search=bericht#/search=Erz%C3%A4hlung&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on 18:24 jcamins Or evaluation? 18:24 jcamins Ah-ha! I think I've figured it out. So I could probably call it an assessment? 18:23 drojf looks like "account" also has this kind of meaning. at least leo tells me that, i wasn't familiar with it 18:23 jcamins But in English we probably wouldn't publish a journal called "reports," so I was hoping maybe the German also meant review. :) 18:22 jcamins The Hungarian translates as "report" too, but that doesn't really help much since I don't know any Hungarian, so I can't tell what it's about. 18:21 jcamins drojf: I'm trying to understand what "report" means in this context. 18:21 drojf but it depends on what is actually in there :) 18:21 drojf jcamins: i think it is more like "report" 18:19 jcamins drojf: Berichte über Leben und Kunst <-- is it fair to translate "Berichte" as "Review"? 18:18 jcamins Alas, once again kf leaves right before I have a German question. 15:58 gaetan_B bye ! 15:51 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10261: Link to patron files missing from circ-menu.tt 15:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #47: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/47/ 15:48 msaby some improvement to baskets and baskets groups display 15:47 msaby tcohen: we also made some i 15:43 tcohen acq will be our 3.12 highlighted feature 15:42 tcohen i usually introduce new features prior to new version deployments 15:41 tcohen interesting msaby, our librarians will start using acq once i manage to teach them 15:40 msaby tcohen: and we hightlight the negative budgets in red 15:40 * tcohen heads to resuming its work on koha-create 15:39 msaby tcohen: a dashboard for acquisitions. it uses the login of the librarian 15:37 jcamins tcohen: you are right, yes. 15:36 wahanui well, the dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 15:36 msaby If I have time I will try to "perlish" that 15:36 tcohen the dashboard? 15:36 msaby our dev made a new nice improvement in javascript to acq page ;-)) twitpic.com/ctn98n 15:35 tcohen IRC its kindof mute today 15:35 tcohen hi msaby 15:35 msaby hello #koha 15:27 tweetbot [off] twitter: @jsicot: "et hop, un petit dashboard pour les acquéreurs dans #KohaILS #hack http://t.co/eJhfCxUjpN" 15:22 tcohen am i right jcamins? 15:20 tcohen no, i understand there wasn't a patch for some missing bits 15:20 jcamins Oh, did I miss pushing it? 15:20 tcohen for koha-create-dirs and koha-create 15:19 tcohen i'm providing a missing followup 15:19 tcohen i found bug 9890 15:19 jcamins They are per-instance. 15:18 wahanui plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they? 15:18 jcamins Plugins. 15:18 tcohen about what jcamins? 15:18 jcamins tcohen: no. 15:17 jcamins About an hour. 15:15 tcohen how long will it take jenkins_koha? 15:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #47 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:05 tcohen magnus_away? 14:24 tcohen I see the placeholder in the koha-conf.xml file is not correctly filled (the one fr the plugin dir) 14:24 tcohen jcamins, are koha plugins re-usable through several instances? 14:14 tcohen oh, I didn't notice, thanks jcamisn! 14:14 jcamins tcohen: it's a holiday in the US so oleonard probably won't be around today. 14:10 tcohen doesn't fix the weirdness 14:08 tcohen i think 6413 is wrong 14:01 tcohen do we have jqplot in the codebase oleonard? 13:53 * kf files another bug then 13:52 * kf is worried. 13:52 kf should we be worried? 13:52 kf gmcharlt is too 13:52 kf huginn! 13:52 jcamins kf: because huginn is the one who shows bugs, and huginn is offline. 13:52 tcohen is bug 6413 a bugfix? 13:51 jcamins tcohen: I would, yes. 13:51 kf wondering why the bot didn't show the bug :) 13:49 tcohen it doesn't kf. i've just read it, thanks anyway 13:48 wahanui kf? 13:48 kf wahanui? 13:48 kf bug 6413 13:48 tcohen oh, I remember: "All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone" :-P 13:47 tcohen what was it called?... hmmm 13:47 tcohen there was that Explosions in the sky album, from 2007 13:44 tcohen s/do/does/ 13:44 tcohen do 6413 add a new column to accountlines? 13:35 tcohen jcamins: would you use Class::Accessor fr a new Koha class? 13:19 tcohen hm, I guess you're right 13:18 jcamins tcohen: I think you're thinking of the circulation log, which was fied by someone at BibLibre. 13:13 tcohen or was libsysguy? 13:13 tcohen didn't she provide the patch? 13:11 kf why wizzyrea? :) 13:11 kf aah 13:11 kf guess i have tortured wahanui enough :) 13:11 tcohen wizzyrea++ 13:11 kf bug 7883 13:11 tcohen i'm loving 7883 13:10 kf bug 10352 13:10 kf or i don't know - i guess we should not mix itemnumber/biblionumber in the same field 13:05 kf :( 13:05 kf if there was a bug, we fixed it wrong. 13:05 kf this is a fresh out of the box 3.12 installation... 13:04 tcohen there was a bug for that 13:03 kf which creates a mess I think 13:03 kf because one time we store itemnumber as object and the other time the bilbionumber 13:03 kf well the cataloguing log search 13:02 kf catalouging search is broken 13:02 tcohen which ones kf? 13:01 kf is not good 13:01 kf that 13:00 kf hmm 12:56 kf :P 12:56 kf fix them while they are fresh! 12:55 wahanui -6 12:55 kf 10245 - 10251 12:55 tcohen hi kf 12:54 kf good morning tcohen :) 12:54 * kf has a bug filing frenzy 12:53 tcohen morning #koha 12:50 Viktor Thanks for the input! I'll have to be off. 12:49 Viktor Great! 12:49 jcamins Sure. 12:49 Viktor ? 12:49 Viktor If I create a mockup, a little animations, an RFC or something -will you guys have a look at it. 12:48 Viktor LOL thanks :) 12:48 * kf hands Viktor cookies to make him still like us 12:48 Viktor I'll think about it. 12:48 Viktor Noted :) 12:47 Viktor I'm sorry but I'll have to be going soon. 12:47 * jcamins still thinks that the solution would cause way more problems than it would solve. 12:47 Viktor Thats not the thought - my thought is that every problem should light up a persistent alert that you will have to handle before being able to end the transaction and print a receipt. 12:46 jcamins Instead of losing scans because you didn't pay attention to the alert, you'll lose scans because there are no usable alerts. 12:45 Viktor Hmm. 12:45 Viktor If someone scans a few books and discovers a problem with the first one it's possible to forget to rescan the following books. 12:45 jcamins You'll still lose scans, just in a different way. 12:44 Viktor I will ponder that a bit since it might be a complication. But the experience should be very nearly the same as before. Just that you will not "lose scannings" the way the sometimes do today. 12:42 jcamins Once to check them out, once to check that they were checked out. 12:42 jcamins But in order to then keep up with what I assume will be a very complex circulation policy, you'll have to tell all the librarians to go through pile of books twice. 12:42 Viktor Ah, sorry :) 12:42 jcamins I know. 12:42 Viktor Just that when you scan to fast for the system to keep up you'll get a barcode queue. 12:41 Viktor The workflow should still be the same. 12:41 Viktor It's not a batch module per se. 12:40 Viktor jcamins - I have a correction to make! 12:40 jcamins Otherwise the librarians will be all unhappy because the system let them check out a book it shouldn't. 12:40 Viktor jcamins - But it's often perceived as technology "The system requires us to do it this way". But people find their own ways :) 12:40 jcamins But if you have ten rules related to every single issue, they have to be checked after every issue. 12:39 jcamins If you had a universal policy for circulation, a batch mode would be easy. 12:39 Viktor jcamins - True! 12:39 Viktor I would love to see RDA implemented since we are switching in Sweden too. But RDF does seem a little more exciting to me I have to confess. 12:38 jcamins Viktor: the workflow problem is not about the technology, though, it's about the policies. 12:38 kf Viktor: that makes a lot of sense .) 12:38 Viktor Interesting disussion about RDA! 12:38 Viktor kf Thing is these guys have taken to their heart that you can change stuff in Koha and they don't like to have to wait for every single book. So I'm trying to build a workflow based on people not training them to base their workflow on the system :) 12:37 kf it will be interesting to see how the idea turns out :) 12:36 kf it's probably me :) I have heard that so often that I wouldn't dare ignore the system :) 12:35 kf I jobbed a bit at a busy public library and in an academic while in library school 12:35 kf hm i am just not sure.... we were always trained to wait for the ils to confirm the checkout :) 12:35 Viktor kf Thing is it's easy to miss stuff just because the staff scan while looking at the barcodes and scan a bunch of books before finding out that an earlier one lit up a box that requires handling. 12:34 jcamins Viktor: the only reason the offline circ wouldn't work is that there's an extra step at the end where you have to approve your transactions. 12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10347 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deactivate "Add item" button when "Add multiple copies" was activated 12:34 kf bug 10347 12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10346 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items" 12:34 kf bug 10346 12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10245 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , OPAC items table CSS classes 12:34 kf bug 10245 12:33 kf *shrug* 12:33 kf or just simple things like a popup for the materials note 12:33 Viktor jcamins No. At least I don't think so. It's for those days when you have a class of 20 kids with ten books each and you have to work the fastest you can. 12:33 kf Viktor: I think watiting at the end can take a lot longer because of the problems being missed 12:32 Viktor jcamins I do still think we will need it but I will try to benchmark scanning with Plack enabled for the staff interface before developing anything new. 12:32 jcamins Viktor: Okay, the offline circ would not meet your needs. 12:31 Viktor jcamins The high speed scanning was to make shure you don't have to wait for the system as much. Scan at your pace and let the system work at it's own pace. We'd rather wait a bit at the end than wait for every barcode scanned. 12:30 kf well the bug is filed :) 12:30 jcamins I don't recall it doing that, but I've often wished it did. 12:29 kf hm. 12:29 kf i thought it used to do that 12:23 jcamins kf: that'd be a neat feature. 12:21 kf should the copy number be counting up when you use the add multiple items thing? 12:20 kf hm 11:33 * kf nods 11:33 jcamins So unfair. 11:33 jcamins Myshkin was just cheated. :( There was a bird on the window sill, and as soon as he got close it flew away. 11:29 kf but... where do I have a working framework. hm. 11:28 kf ok, the big bad bug is on me... but I don't understand how it happened, i am quite sure I did only hide fields I didn'twant 11:27 kf my fast add tempalte is broken... missing all the fields 11:27 jcamins Viktor: you had asked at some point about a way to scan items at high speed at some point. What did you want that feature for? 11:26 kf hm actually it might be an export problem 11:25 kf big bad bug 11:25 kf oh yeah 11:25 jcamins Sounds like a bug. 11:25 kf and all my hidden fields didn't get imported at all 11:25 kf i just imported our fast add framework into koha 3.12 11:25 kf not about the unimarcers 11:24 kf oh no 11:22 jcamins rangi: no, UNIMARCers do not use AACR2. 10:22 tweetbot [off] twitter: @spastk: "@ranginui as much as I like #KohaILS, I'm most concerned about them lowering hours and staff." 10:18 mtj an interesting doc about UNIMARC and RDA -> http://conference.ifla.org/past/ifla75/135-dunsire-en.pdf 10:14 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@spastk if they switched to #KohaILS they could save a bunch on license fees, not to mention support :)" 10:09 mtj ok, now i think i shut up… :) 10:05 mtj yeah… its a very strange feeling 10:05 rangi yeah, i gave up 10:03 * alex_a_ too 10:03 alex_a_ lol 10:02 mtj every time i attempt to understand anything about RDA, i feel i now understand less than before 09:59 rangi i already know way more than anyone should ever have to know about cataloguing standards 09:58 rangi who knows 09:57 kf i think it's all related to isbd a bit too? 09:57 rangi cos if they dont, it couldnt imagine any benefit going to RDA 09:57 kf i don't know 09:57 rangi do french librarians use AACR2 ? 09:56 rangi all marc21 09:56 rangi yeah theres no unimarc on that 09:55 kf www.rda-jsc.org/members.html 09:55 rangi (2004 they started) 09:55 rangi 9 years 09:55 rangi but yes 09:54 rangi http://www.rda-jsc.org/rdamarcwg.html <-- this is the only working schema afaik 09:54 kf but the closednessof that new standard is what worries me most 09:53 rangi according to them, MARC21 == MARC 09:53 rangi MARC 21 is one possible schema for encoding records created using RDA, but it will also be possible to encode records created using RDA in other schemas, such as MODS or Dublin Core. 09:53 kf some of my coworkers work with it I think 09:52 mtj lol, fail 09:52 rangi im not going to pay to find out :) 09:52 kf http://www.rda-jsc.org/rda.html 09:51 kf hm not sure the toolkit does 09:51 rangi ie, the standard refrences marc21 fields 09:51 kf i think germany is a member now 09:51 rangi in practicality it is 09:51 kf but when you look at the group that invented it, probably mostly US 09:51 rangi in theory its not 09:51 kf it's not in principle I think... it's new cataloging rules 09:50 mtj wow, i havent even considered that RDA was just a USMARC thing :/ 09:47 kf germany adopts rda.. but we are marc21 users too 09:47 kf they would have to add fields to their marc flavour 09:47 * mtj does a quik google… 09:47 kf if other were to adopt RDA 09:47 rangi yes 09:47 kf i think so 09:46 mtj curious, is RDA a spec for MARC21/USMARC only? 09:42 mtj kf, ah yes, - i did see that patch somewhere… 09:41 kf because our default is in general a bit out of date 09:41 kf he did a new default one adding all the new fields and subfields 09:41 mtj ...or, can they just ignore those fields? 09:41 kf and that is waiting for sign-off 09:41 kf mtj: before you update the frameworks - it might be inlcuded in the update bgkriegel did 09:41 mtj is it problematic for a library that does not use rda, to have an rda-enabled fwrk? 09:39 rangi thats why im so keen on 3.14 to be able to care about other metadata formats 09:38 drojf i thought it's all about fun for cataloguers, not information for patrons :P 09:37 rangi :) 09:37 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 09:37 huginn rangi: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013) 09:36 rangi @quote get 252 09:36 rangi hmm i have a good quote for this 09:36 rangi course its only valid for MARC21 too 09:36 rangi as long as someone is going to keep it up to date 09:36 rangi but i guess it wouldnt hurt 09:35 rangi (there are proposed fields still that are being accepted) 09:35 rangi and its a moving target 09:35 rangi because lots of places are not using RDA yet 09:34 rangi i wouldnt no 09:33 mtj rangi, so updating the '*marc*_framework_DEFAULT.sql' files with RDA stuff, is still a valid patch? 09:29 drojf hi rangi and mtj 09:29 rangi hi drojf 09:28 rangi if its in your framework, it shows up, so you just have to load the RDA framework 09:28 mtj heya drojf 09:28 rangi mtj: yep 09:28 mtj … well, thats the RDA display problem sorted :) 09:28 drojf good day #koha 09:27 mtj aaaah, the rda data is already viewable via the marc-view? 09:26 rangi i think it was dead before it started 09:26 rangi and moved on to bibframe 09:26 rangi LOC dumped it on the world 09:26 rangi im not holding my breath 09:26 rangi make the display/search mods at that point 09:25 rangi and when/if someone actually figures out what use there is for it 09:25 rangi you can see it all in the marc 09:25 mtj yep 09:25 rangi have the framework, store the data, tick the rda box 09:25 rangi it really seems like an utter waste of time 09:24 rangi cos there is no way to automatically convert from aarc2 to rda 09:24 rangi and since it will probably take about 20 years 09:24 rangi so you have to try and do some mixed thing 09:24 rangi you will end up making big chunks of your catalogue unfindable 09:23 rangi unless you have all your records catalogued with rda 09:23 rangi indexing it is pointless 09:23 rangi xslt you can make your own, with the new syspref 09:22 mtj ie: xslt/tt and zebra mods 09:21 mtj rangi, we still need some additional patches to display and index/search RDA data correctly, i think? 09:20 * kf hides 09:18 rangi kf: yep and then you have MARC RDA .. its retarded squared!! 09:18 * kf gets out the coookie jar 09:17 mtj yeah, i agree with all of that… :/ 09:16 rangi yay huge improvement!! 09:16 rangi all you can do is show it to them, and they will go, wtf is this supposed to mean 09:15 rangi no benefit at all for library users 09:15 rangi ie, its a librarian standard for librarians 09:15 rangi what is missing is any explaination of wtf you are supposed to do with the data 09:15 kf like the R in MARC? :) 09:15 rangi mtj: its all there already, just add the framework 09:14 rangi RDA the R is for Retarded 09:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10344 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add RDA support to Koha 09:12 mtj fwiw, ive created a bug 10344 for this... 09:10 kf mtj: thereis also rangi's rda framework on the wiki 09:09 kf hm wonder when update 10 happened, i shoudl get my rda knowledge updated too :) 09:08 mtj cool, thanks for the link kf++ 09:05 kf ' codes were established in MARC Update 10.' 09:04 kf http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC.html 09:04 kf i take it bakc then 09:04 kf oh there is a codenow 09:04 kf maybe i am mistaken 09:03 kf *shrug* 09:03 mtj wow, how is that supposed to work.. ever? 09:02 kf i think rda will cause some i18n issues at least with the carrier/media types being text in *your* language 09:02 mtj yes.. yes.. of course! 09:01 kf and xslt 09:01 kf and I think we'd need some new indexes 09:01 kf there was a blog post about rda a while back 09:01 kf i think bywater might have been working on it 09:00 mtj hmm, perhaps i should make a bug to add RDA stuff to Koha 08:59 kf nope not currently 08:58 mtj is there anyone running any RDA framworks with Koha, atm? 08:57 kf hard to keep up with 08:57 kf yep 08:54 mtj ...yep, and improving at an increasingly faster pace 08:54 * kf waves too 08:54 kf yep :) 08:48 rangi the best thing with Koha is its always improving 08:45 Viktor And 3.12 looks sweet! 08:45 Viktor I must say that Koha gives me less headache than the other stuff I have to get right in the current migration :) 08:44 Viktor Hi rangi and mtj 08:43 * mtj waves to Viktor and rangi 08:19 rangi hi Viktor 08:19 Viktor Morning Koha :) 07:16 christophe_c hello #koha 07:12 kf good morning #koha 07:12 wahanui i heard germs was http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 07:12 huginn GERMS!!!! 07:05 asaurat hi 07:00 gaetan_B hello 06:57 wahanui kai ora, alex_a 06:57 alex_a bonjour 06:44 reiveune hello 05:53 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (7:50 AM CEST on May 27, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 05:53 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:53 cait hm extra grey monday... 04:36 eythian a bit early, that's what I said :) 04:36 cait shortly after 6 04:36 cait normal time 04:34 eythian isn't it a bit early there? 04:32 cait good 04:31 eythian haven't broken yet, no 04:31 cait still working? 04:31 cait hi eythian 04:31 eythian hi cait 04:30 cait good morning #koha 04:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , can't update patron info in ccsr 04:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10293 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Bug 9930 needs to be reverted for 3.10.x 04:06 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 10293 - Bug 9930 needs to be reverted for 3.10.x 04:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #123: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/123/ 03:26 rangi bgkriegel++ 03:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #123 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:26 tcohen nice reading eythian ! 00:20 wajasu whoa! 00:19 eythian http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2013/05/ejecting-cgipm-from-the-perl-core.html 00:14 wajasu i'll write it up and a patch and give a test. i think my librarian will be happy 00:13 wajasu yup 00:13 wizzyrea that's a bug 00:13 wajasu i found that if the GetNormailzedISBN routine in Koha.pm doesn't remove the tailing " (v.1)" and such, then the Business::ISBN returns a blank ISBN and that gets submitted inthe URL to Amazon. Thus no cover image. I tried $isbn =~ s/(.*)( \| | \()(.*)/$1/; and now i am getting more cover images.