Time  Nick                 Message
00:02 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6413 - QA Followup - Remove extra table column header <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ec0005443867050a7f68522a0e1040386d45d90> / Bug 6413 - QA Followup - Add notes for 'Pay selected' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=34ea8fbec751600c332881debb88281b442113b3> / Bug 6413 follow-up: fixing capital case & tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
00:03 eythian              hi
00:15 eythian              jcamins: don't suppose you're around?
00:22 tcohen               wahanui: release maintenance is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance
00:22 wahanui              OK, tcohen.
00:22 tcohen               release maintenance?
00:22 wahanui              hmmm... release maintenance is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance
00:22 rangi                sweet
00:23 tcohen               is WIP rangi, but at list I sumarized what u told us
00:23 rangi                chris n did it too
00:24 rangi                i think its a crazy chris thing
00:24 * cjh                gulps
00:24 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1189: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1189/
00:24 tcohen               heh
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8215 - Course Reserves
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Paul Poulain: Bug 8215 follow-up encoding for branches & itemtypes
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8215: Followup FIX QA issues
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8215 - Add Course Reserves - QA Followup
00:24 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add Course Reserves
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8215: Followup Fix confirmation links for delete course and item
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8215: FIX ergonomic issue : 'Unchanged()'
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 8215: (followup) run new files through perltidy
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 8215: (followup) make sure C4::CourseReserves doesn't export anything
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 8215: (followup) don't allow deleting course reserves from OPAC
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 8215: (followup) avoid SQL syntax error in logs
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 8215: (followup) rename GetItemReservesInfo
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 8215: (followup) remove extraneous underscore in template
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 8215: DBRev for course reserves
00:24 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 8215: (followup) avoid spurious warning in Apache log
00:25 jenkins_koha         Starting build #44 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:28 rangi                hmm why didnt the db change kick in
00:28 rangi                + ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
00:28 rangi                DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha.#sql-620e_4a2c2' (errno: 150) at ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 6878.
00:28 rangi                DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha.#sql-620e_4a2c2' (errno: 150) at ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 6900.
00:29 rangi                foreign key stuff
00:29 gmcharlt             wheeee
00:29 tcohen               as long as you don't take on release maintenance, you are safe cjh
00:29 rangi                that might need to be tested on a populated db
00:30 rangi                or at least more populated
00:30 cjh                  tcohen: glad I didnt make that mistake!
00:30 gmcharlt             rangi: 'twas
00:30 rangi                interesting
00:30 wahanui              interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:30 rangi                wonder what the error is, ill investigate a bit later
00:30 tcohen               oh, don't tell me... you... recently....
00:30 cjh                  it is too late for me :(
00:31 tcohen               heh
00:31 gmcharlt             rangi: yeah, I've observed on many occassions that MySQL won't create a FK on the first go
00:32 tcohen               cjh, if you find things to improve in the proposed workflow i'd like to hear it
00:36 cjh                  have to have a read, looking forward to finding out how everything ticks :)
00:38 tcohen               I forgot to mention we should *update bugzilla*
00:41 gmcharlt             rangi: show innodb status (as the mysql root user) might help
00:50 tcohen               bye #koha
00:57 rangi                thanks gmcharlt will give that a try
01:08 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_3.12.x build #44: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/44/
01:08 jenkins_koha         * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9508: Standardize the dateformat value from C4::Auth
01:08 jenkins_koha         * Paul Poulain: Bug 9508 follow-up : replacing tabs by spaces
01:09 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9508 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , the dateformat variable is not standardized in template files
01:11 jenkins_koha         Starting build #1190 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1188 6 hr 47 min ago)
01:26 zebran00b            So what does everybody think of the LibLime distro?
01:26 eythian              ...
01:26 eythian              ....
01:26 eythian              !
01:26 zebran00b            as I suspected
01:27 ibeardslee           oh thanks we'd only just got eythian settled down after last time someone mentioned that ;)
01:28 zebran00b            eythian: have you tried it?
01:28 eythian              no
01:28 zebran00b            neither have I but they seem... shifty
01:28 eythian              yes
01:28 trea                 really? >.>
01:29 zebran00b            trea: I don't really trust anyone who asks me for my email before letting me download "open source" software
01:29 trea                 ah k
01:30 zebran00b            trea: never tried it, might be a good product, but their marketing department also was a bit frustrating by email
01:32 jcamins              eythian: now I am.
01:32 zebran00b            eythian: I figured out where I can place my wiki within my Koha instance - /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs. Is that messed up or is that decent?
01:32 eythian              zebran00b: I wouldn't.
01:32 jcamins              zebran00b: we think it's a shame that they call something so obviously not Koha "Koha."
01:32 eythian              I'd set up apache properly to understand where you put it, and not put it somewhere where it could be upset by a future koha update.
01:33 eythian              jcamins: just having some oddness with authority linking.
01:33 eythian              i.e., some things aren't linking that I think should be.
01:33 jcamins              Do you have an example?
01:36 eythian              jcamins: from 690$a: <subfield code="a">Emergency Management Hazards and Disasters</subfield>
01:36 eythian              and from the auth record:   <datafield tag="150" ind1=" " ind2=" ">
01:36 eythian              <subfield code="a">Emergency Management Hazards and Disasters</subfield>
01:36 jcamins              eythian: that's a 690.
01:37 eythian              yep
01:37 eythian              it's set up in the framework to link
01:37 jcamins              Yeah, but C4::Linker doesn't respect the frameworks.
01:37 jcamins              Since other than that C4::Linker is awesome, I used it anyway.
01:37 eythian              that might be problematical.
01:38 jcamins              Or whatever it's called.
01:38 jcamins              Not C4::Linker.
01:38 jcamins              C4::Heading?
01:38 eythian              C4::Linker::LastMatch is what I last tried
01:39 eythian              jcamins: any way I could make it work?
01:39 eythian              it should really work for 690 anyway, given that's a topic term field.
01:39 jcamins              eythian: right, I wrote C4::Linker. It's C4::Heading that's the problem.
01:39 jcamins              Yeah, just add a mapping for 690.
01:40 jcamins              There's a hash.
01:40 jcamins              You'll know it when you see it.
01:40 eythian              ah OK
01:40 jcamins              C4::Heading::MARC21 or some such.
01:40 wizzyrea             \o/
02:16 zebran00b            I plan to wipe my server and reinstall Koha. Can I copy over an admin settings file or something to restore my system preferences?
02:16 jcamins              You can back up your database.
02:17 zebran00b            system prefs are in there too?
02:17 jcamins              Yep.
02:17 jcamins              Everything.
02:17 wahanui              i heard everything was grilled
02:18 jcamins              Except, obviously, database credentials.
02:21 jcamins              And any Zebra customizations.
02:22 jcamins              And your wiki if you put it in the Koha tree (but don't do that!).
02:22 rangi                just use Alias /wiki/ /where/the/stuff/is/
02:22 rangi                dont actually put it in the tree
02:22 jcamins              Right.
02:25 eythian              http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tom7/papers/sigbovik2011tom7whatwords.pdf <-- jcamins
02:26 jcamins              lol
02:26 eythian              it's quite the paper, I've put it aside for reading at a later time :)
02:27 jenkins_koha         Yippie, build fixed!
02:27 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1190: FIXED in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1190/
02:27 jenkins_koha         * Chris Hall: Bug 6413 Added ability to add a note when paying or writing off a fine
02:27 jenkins_koha         * Paul Poulain: Bug 6413 follow-up: fixing capital case & tabs
02:27 jenkins_koha         * Paul Poulain: Bug 6413 - QA Followup - Add notes for 'Pay selected'
02:27 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6413 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Notes in Fines doing wonky things
02:27 jenkins_koha         * Kyle M Hall: Bug 6413 - QA Followup - Remove extra table column header
02:27 jenkins_koha         Starting build #1191 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
02:29 jcamins              That's kind of incredible.
02:30 rangi                gmcharlt: you were right it worked the second time
02:48 jcamins              Yikes. Apparently running Time Machine and a VirtualBox VM at the same time is a bad idea.
02:48 jcamins              How much processing power should rsync really take?
02:48 trea                 all of it.
02:48 jcamins              trea: oh, right.
02:49 jcamins              Silly me.
02:51 zebran00b            thanks rangi, jcamins. Yeah, I just figured out the Alias bit, thanks for confirming. I don't remember having any zebra customizations, and I'll probably write a new crontab...
02:52 jcamins              zebran00b: i you're reinstalling, I have a suggestion.
02:52 jcamins              Use packages.
02:52 jcamins              *if
02:52 zebran00b            yes, I was going to use the debian package
02:52 jcamins              In that case, you will not need to edit crontab at all.
02:53 jcamins              At least, not for Koha.
02:53 jcamins              For other things, perhaps, but this is #koha not #otherthings. ;)
02:56 zebran00b            really? Because that's been my whole problem with my current install, search isn't automatically indexing newly uploaded records
02:56 jcamins              If that happens with packages, it means that you edited the crontab, thereby breaking things.
02:56 jcamins              The packages are set up with indexing out of the box.
02:56 zebran00b            i c
02:58 zebran00b            jcamins: if I use the current stable version package, do I have to install anything like apache in debian before running the package? Or does it include that along with all dependencies?
02:58 wizzyrea             packages?
02:58 wahanui              rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
02:58 wizzyrea             ^^
02:58 wizzyrea             read that
02:58 jcamins              wizzyrea++ # beat me to it.
02:59 wizzyrea             apache it should take care of, mysql it won't
03:00 zebran00b            thx wizzyrea
03:00 wizzyrea             but really - read the wiki page :)
03:01 zebran00b            on it
03:31 eythian              jcamins: if you're feeling like you have too much free time now, bug 10308 wants a signoff :)
03:31 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10308 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Authorities linker should handle the "local subject added entry" fields.
03:31 jcamins              eythian: thanks, but I'm not. :P
03:31 jcamins              And I'm taking a Koha break until June 1.
03:32 jcamins              However, that'll be the first thing I sign off on after the hiatus. :)
03:32 eythian              You'll be back before then. First the hands start shaking, then you'll have trouble forming words, then you'll notice you're putting an H book inbetween A and B, and your so-called hiatus will be over :)
03:32 jcamins              lol
03:33 jcamins              But not tonight.
03:33 jcamins              Bedtime now.
03:33 jcamins              Good night, #koha.
03:33 eythian              later
03:33 gmcharlt             eythian++
03:33 wizzyrea             eythian++ hehe
03:33 trea                 :D
03:42 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1191: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1191/
04:13 dcook                :S
04:13 dcook                Can someone check a column name for me in the import_batches table?
04:14 cjh                  dcook: http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/import_batches.html
04:14 dcook                I just thought of that after I typed that, hehe
04:14 cjh                  :)
04:14 dcook                Thanks :)
04:14 dcook                Hmm, that looks wrong as well..
04:15 dcook                Or maybe that is right...
04:15 * dcook              flails
04:15 cjh                  probably one of those :)
04:15 dcook                hehe
04:15 dcook                hey ya cait
04:16 eythian              wahanui: remind cait later
04:16 wahanui              @later tell cait it's early, go back to bed
04:16 huginn               wahanui: The operation succeeded.
04:16 wahanui              huginn: what?
04:16 huginn               wahanui: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
04:16 wahanui              ...but i'll give you the answer as soon as rda is <reply>...
04:16 cait                 eythian: poor wahanui
04:17 eythian              wahanui: poor wahanui is <reply>Will he ever win#
04:17 wahanui              OK, eythian.
04:17 eythian              wahanui: poor wahanui =~ s/#/?/
04:17 wahanui              OK, eythian
04:17 cjh                  that works?
04:17 eythian              course it does
04:18 cjh                  poor wahanui?
04:18 wahanui              Will he ever win?
04:18 cjh                  excellent.
04:29 cait                 wahanui botsnack cookies
04:29 wahanui              thanks cait :)
04:29 mtj                  a little off-topic, but hey… -> http://twentytwowords.com/2013/01/11/worlds-biggest-bonfire-fueled-by-a-130-foot-tall-stack-of-pallets-10-pictures/
04:30 dcook                cjh: Issue with my backport. Balance is restored to the force :).
04:46 cait                 mtj: that looks quite dangerous
04:49 mtj                  yeah - if the tower fell the wrong way, it would certainly land on the people
04:51 * dcook              thinks his fingers are almost too cold to type
04:51 dcook                @wunder sydney, australia
04:51 huginn               dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (2:30 PM EST on May 22, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
04:52 dcook                Bah. This country needs to get some heaters...
04:53 eythian              @wunder nzwn
04:53 huginn               eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on May 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling).
04:53 eythian              ha ha.
04:53 dcook                Must be a first :p
04:58 cjh                  this morning I couldnt see the sky :(
04:58 dcook                I just noticed the rain :(
04:58 cait                 raining here too
04:58 wizzyrea             hey 15 is pleasant
04:59 cait                 @wunder Konstanz
04:59 huginn               cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.2°C (6:55 AM CEST on May 22, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
05:02 eythian              wahanui: wunder is <reply>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/20
05:02 wahanui              ...but wunder is not really correct. wellington also has light rain. put that humidity up ;-)...
05:02 eythian              wahanui: wunder is also <reply>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/20
05:02 wahanui              okay, eythian.
05:03 cait                 this light rain is going ot get me really wet on my way to work if it doesn't stop soon
05:11 mtj                  peeps, has anyone ever spotted a weird xslt error like this… -> http://koha.uac.bj/cgi-bin/koha/opac-export.pl?format=mods&op=export&bib=41454&save=Allez
05:11 cait                 no
05:12 mtj                  ...ive just bumped into this, on a 3.10.4 koha
05:12 cait                 and it looks like the thing breaking it is german?
05:12 cait                 Biotechnologie...
05:13 eythian              those darn Germans breaking things.
05:13 eythian              and their germs.
05:13 cait                 aha
05:13 cait                 you forgot to mention the boring beer
05:13 eythian              I did
05:15 mtj                  uac.bj's koha looks to be an old 3.0.1 version, but a similar bug looks to still exist
05:18 mtj                  tho, the difference is that i am getting a similar error on page 3, of a staff keyword search
05:19 mtj                  ie…  http://koha/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?idx=kw&q=foobar&offset=40
05:20 mtj                  so i guess there is some glitchy string in one of the bibs on page 3, thats causing xslt to barf
05:22 * dcook              has been wondering what would happen in that case
05:23 dcook                If you have bad data, your XSLT detail and search displays bust, no?
05:23 dcook                The TT templates seem more forgiving
05:23 mtj                  some combo of punctuation is causing the xslt transform to blow up
05:23 dcook                Or rather the perl scripts behind them
05:24 dcook                Which might either be a bug in the XSLT or bad data?
05:28 mtj                  meh, fone...
05:29 mtj                  dcook, yeah, i think that might be the quick-fix for this situ - flick the staff-seach syspref back to TT
05:29 mtj                  … then try to debug the xslt glitch later
05:30 mtj                  hey cait, thanks for your suggestion too :)
05:32 mtj                  woah, i just noticed the end of this line...
05:32 mtj                  "You can adjust xsltMaxDepth (--maxdepth) in order to raise the maximum number of nested template calls and variables/params (currently set to 250)"
05:35 mtj                  250 sounds like a lot - but i guess that includes everything, not just nested calls...
05:37 eythian              it is a lot, but it's also not unreasonable for a declarative parsing language, where you might be handling big XML input files.
05:37 eythian              it's probably a good "not likely to hit in real life, but not likely to use all the RAM if it is it" kinda point.
05:47 mtj                  eythian, truth is, i'm not sure what file to edit , to bump that value
05:47 eythian              mtj: it's not your issue
05:47 eythian              it's the symptom of your issue
05:48 cait                 looks to me like there is a loop
05:48 eythian              well, something is recursing infinitely I'd guess
05:48 cait                 have you checked the record that causes it and the function in slimUtils?
05:48 mtj                  yeah, i suspect that too, but would be nice to bump --maxdepth to 1000, to confirm that
05:48 cait                 i think just the same would happen
05:48 eythian              pull out the marcxml and run the XSLT by hand
05:48 eythian              and I agree with cait
05:49 cait                 must be a first :P
05:49 eythian              :)
05:49 mtj                  im poking at the <xsl:template name="chopPunctuation">   function now
05:50 mtj                  …with some success (fingers crossed)
05:51 mtj                  s/function/template/ ? :)
05:51 eythian              template I suppose
05:51 eythian              it doesn't have funtions, per se.
05:52 mtj                  yeah, sorry - i'm a bit of a xslt noob
05:57 mtj                  yow, its a korean bib title, thats causing the fail
05:58 cait                 ah
05:58 cait                 interesting, why?
06:01 mtj                  hmm, not sure why yet...
06:01 murali               hi everyone
06:03 murali               I have installed koha 3.8.12.....i am unable to send uname and pwd for patrons while creating a new patron.....i ihave postfix mail server installed on my machine
06:03 murali               please anyone help me
06:04 mtj                  murali, hmm, im not sure koha has that feature?
06:04 eythian              I'm pretty sure it does
06:04 eythian              though, I've never used it, I'm sure I've heard that it's there.
06:04 murali               yeah u are ryt eythian
06:05 murali               even i read it has that feature
06:05 murali               but i am unable to send overdue notices also
06:05 eythian              however, you'll have to explain a bit more.
06:06 eythian              does any mail work from the machine at all?
06:06 eythian              from koha?
06:06 eythian              how did you install koha, with the packages or some other method?
06:06 murali               some other method
06:06 murali               http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/28248116/koha-installation-on-ubuntu
06:07 murali               the procedure in this link
06:08 eythian              ah, I see.
06:09 murali               can u pls help me in this regard
06:09 eythian              you need to answer the other questions before anyone can help.
06:09 mtj                  eythian++, aaah thanks for the correction :)
06:10 murali               what is the question u want to ask
06:10 mtj                  hey cait, i found the problem… was some glitchy(ish) title data in a record
06:10 eythian              <eythian> does any mail work from the machine at all?
06:10 eythian              <eythian> from koha?
06:11 murali               no from koha  any mail is not working
06:11 mtj                  murali, eythian  is asking *you* what is the question u want to ask :)
06:11 eythian              no I'm not
06:11 eythian              I'm asking murali to answer the questions I already asked :)
06:11 cait                 mtj: it's activated in the sysprefs
06:12 cait                 mtj: globally, only works on manual creation of a new patron
06:12 eythian              murali: that's not really an answer. Have you tested sending mail from the machine at all?
06:12 murali               from terminal iam able to send mail
06:12 mtj                  eythian - oops, so you are :)
06:13 murali               but from koha iam unable to send
06:13 eythian              murali: OK, and that goes through postfix all happily?
06:13 murali               thats what i dont understand actuaaly
06:13 mtj                  cait, the problem bib's title was '설교의 역사 (1):'
06:13 murali               the command i used is mail -s "subject"
06:14 drojf                good morning #koha
06:14 cait                 mtj: hm, doesn't look too bad
06:14 eythian              if you ahve a look in /var/log/mail.info when you do that, you'll see messages from postfix saying what's happening.
06:15 murali               k i will check once.....
06:15 eythian              I strongly suspect it is going through there.
06:17 murali               smtp connect is failed is the error msg in var/log/mail.log
06:18 eythian              OK, you're going to have to figure that out probably.
06:18 mtj                  cait, yeah… it doesnt look to bad ?!
06:18 eythian              So you mean that you can't send mail from the terminal and have it go through?
06:18 murali               and in koha_error_log the error is memberentry.pl: connect to smtp.gmail.com failed (Connection refused) no (more) retries!, referer:;categorycode=O
06:18 murali               if i use mailutils iam able to send mail through terminal
06:19 mtj                  if i edit the chopPunctuation template slightly, i fix the xslt crash
06:19 eythian              well, Koha is attempting to send direct to gmail, which is not a good thing to be doing.
06:19 eythian              I don't know why it'd do that.
06:19 mtj                  from  <xsl:when test="contains('.,;/: '
06:19 mtj                  to <xsl:when test="contains('.,;/:'
06:19 eythian              did you change something in Koha to make it do that?
06:19 murali               no ididn't change anything in koha
06:20 murali               i have just installed postfix and tried to craete a new patron
06:20 mtj                  ie: removing the ' ' char, at the end
06:20 murali               and this is the error msg in error log
06:20 eythian              there's no reason I can think of that Koha would be trying to talk directly to gmail.
06:21 murali               should i configure somethng in Mail::Sendpail.pm
06:21 eythian              no
06:21 eythian              did you change something there?
06:21 murali               no
06:21 eythian              hmm
06:22 eythian              when you send from the terminal, you said it says "smtp connect is failed"
06:22 eythian              but you also said it worked.
06:22 eythian              Which is it?
06:22 mtj                  peeps, i gotta go - hope you get your problem sorted murali...
06:22 eythian              later mtj
06:22 mtj                  cya, thanks for your help
06:23 murali               i thought it worked
06:23 murali               but it might not be working
06:23 eythian              did the mail show up at the other end?
06:23 murali               no
06:23 eythian              that counts as "not working" to me :)
06:23 murali               k
06:24 eythian              your best bet is probably to configure postfix to send mail first.
06:25 murali               do u have any idea how to configure postfix
06:25 murali               to send mails
06:25 murali               or else any links
06:25 eythian              well, you can change its settings by running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix'
06:26 eythian              but you'll have to talk to your network person about the information to give to it.
06:26 murali               oh k
06:26 murali               i will just try it
06:28 murali               which option should i select "no configuration or Internet sites or Local only"
06:29 eythian              that depends what you want to do with it. Probably the one that lets it talk either to the internet or via a smarthost.
06:30 eythian              But to know which it is, you'll have to know how your network is set up.
06:31 murali               iam not a regular linux user.......so please could you tell me how to know how my network is set up
06:32 eythian              ask the person who set it up. How would you set up a mail client on your desktop computer? You need the same sort of information for sending mail here.
06:35 * eythian            has to go now too
06:35 eythian              bye all
06:36 murali               http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/58731341/Configure%20gmail%20with%20postfix%20to%20send%20notices%20from%20Koha
06:36 murali               i have installed post fix using this link
06:40 christophe_c         hello 3koha
06:41 * magnuse            waves
06:46 reiveune             hello
06:46 wahanui              privet, reiveune
06:48 cait                 bbl
06:54 drojf                hi magnuse
06:54 alex_a               bonjour
06:54 wahanui              hola, alex_a
06:54 magnuse              moin drojf
06:55 samueld              hi everybody :-)
06:57 drojf                ihi samueld
06:57 drojf                *hi
06:59 drojf                woah a huge magpie claims my balcony
07:02 dcook                [off] Ugh...Dreamweaver sites are...ugh.
07:02 dcook                Or at least whoever is implementing them...ugh
07:03 drojf                would it be too much to to make it a rule for people with koha roles to regularly attend irc?
07:04 drojf                s/to to/to
07:04 dcook                Possibly, especially depending on the definition of regular
07:04 jajm                 hello
07:05 drojf                dcook: i think a good start would be to try to attend more irc meetings than the one you are trying to get elected…
07:05 drojf                hi jajm
07:06 dcook                Good point, although that can be tough with timezone differences
07:06 magnuse              timezones--
07:07 drojf                there are likely 2 out of 3 that are possible, i guess
07:07 dcook                For instance, for the next IRC meeting, I'll be commuting to work
07:07 dcook                I do have an IRC client on my phone though...
07:07 drojf                see ;)
07:07 dcook                But, I would be opting into that, I think
07:07 dcook                Last IRC meeting I did on my phone wasn't too much fun
07:07 drojf                i remember slef taking part in a meeting on the phone, standing oitside in the rain :D
07:07 dcook                I wound up walking the wrong way home :p
07:08 drojf                lol
07:08 drojf                we wouldn't want that
07:08 dcook                Well, I didn't wind up too far away ;)
07:08 dcook                Hmm, you might have a point here.
07:08 dcook                IRC is pretty much the best way to communicate with folks, it seems
07:09 drojf                anyway, if you plan to invest time in koha (like, being a manager of something), i think it would not be too much to ask to come here once in a while. eg. while you are working on your koha stuff
07:11 dcook                I take it you have someone(s) in mind?
07:11 dcook                Or is this just a general thought?
07:11 drojf                atm i am not very happy about how the live dvd thing is turning out. i hope my mail to the list was not too unfriendly
07:12 drojf                i am very sure i talked to vimal about the "use in production" thing before. and now it is what he promotes for "small libraries"
07:13 dcook                Mmm, I just get the digests, so I haven't seen it yet
07:13 * dcook              waves to asaurat
07:13 asaurat              hi!
07:13 dcook                Conflicting information is a tough one..
07:14 drojf                bonjour asaurat
07:17 gaetan_B             hello
07:28 huginn               GERMS!!!!
07:28 wahanui              Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:28 kf                   hmpf
07:29 drojf                i'm happy they don't know about my germ_ness
07:30 kf                   undercover drojf germinator?
07:30 drojf                looks like it. you are the only true germ :D
07:30 kf                   lol
07:32 dcook                Hmm, I think it's home time for this misplaced Canadian
07:32 kf                   have a nice evening dcook
07:32 dcook                Maybe I'll have to try installing Koha from the packages in a couple hours at home...
07:32 dcook                thanks, kf. Have a nice day ^_^
07:32 drojf                or you could use a live dvd ^^
07:33 drojf                dear log reading person: do not use a live dvd. a package installation is a nice and easy thing to do.
07:35 dcook                drojf: hehe
07:35 dcook                I'm pretty excited for the packages.
07:35 dcook                I wonder a bit how I could do localized packages, but I think jcamins and others have tools/info on that...
07:36 dcook                Anyway, time for me to blow this popsicle stand
07:36 cjh                  and then gitify ;) </shameless_plug>
07:36 dcook                night kf, drojf, et al.
07:36 drojf                night d…
07:36 drojf                too slow
07:37 cjh                  drojf++ documenting for the sake of log readers.
07:38 drojf                :D
07:45 magnuse              gitify?
07:45 wahanui              somebody said gitify was at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
07:45 kf                   oh nice
07:52 rangi                drojf++ #good email
07:53 * magnuse            upgrades a dev install to and smiles at the upgrade message for
07:54 kf                   magnuse: same here this morning :)
07:55 cjh                  magnuse: sorry didnt see you ask, thankfully wahanui has it covered :)
07:55 cjh                  magnuse: gitify takes a koha-package install and makes it run from a git repo (instead of the /usr/share/ files)
08:06 zebran00b            rangi: u there?
08:06 wahanui              there is a lot of clean up that could be done.
08:11 zebran00b            any package experts awake?
08:32 mur                  hi
09:13 drojf                yay, it starts to rain the minute i have to leave the house
09:14 drojf                ugh. that is a lot of rain. maybe i postpone my departure a little
09:19 rangi                well ive done my bit, you cant help those that don't want help
09:21 drojf                true
09:22 rangi                for the record i never said no dvd at kohacon, just that its a bad idea to use one that is not upgradable
09:23 rangi                i also said no, im not going to make one
09:23 kf                   I read it like that :)
09:26 * drojf              gives the "leave the house" thing another try. see you later #koha
09:36 rangi                ok now hes annoying me, which means i should definitely not reply
09:38 * rangi              files the mail away
09:38 * kf                 hands rangi the cookie jar
09:40 * rangi              eats them all
09:41 kf                   lol
09:46 dcook                Muahaha
09:46 kf                   are you supposed to be here at this time of the day, dcook?
09:47 dcook                Mmm, nope
09:47 rangi                hes probably working on a livedvd
09:47 dcook                Probably :p
09:47 dcook                Just got home from work, so naturally I just installed Xchat and am getting ready to install Koha via the Debian packages
09:48 dcook                You know...for a novel thing to do and all
09:48 dcook                Must say that Xchat is much nicer on Linux than Windows...
09:51 dcook                debian packages?
09:51 wahanui              debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org
09:55 rangi                packages?
09:55 wahanui              it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:58 dcook                The first page links to it too, but thanks :)
09:59 dcook                So far so good
10:13 dcook                Ok. Everything installed. Time for configuration...
10:15 kf                   :)
10:15 dcook                I'm significantly less confident now ;)
10:16 dcook                If I'm not using DNS, do I still need to do "sudo a2enmod rewrite"?
10:16 rangi                yes
10:16 dcook                I thought so, but I wasn't sure. Thanks, rangi :)
10:16 kf                   indradg++
10:17 dcook                "Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' to activate new configuration!"
10:17 dcook                But I haven't configured anything yet..
10:18 kf                   you activated the module i think
10:18 dcook                Yep, that's it
10:19 * magnuse            gets his interwebs back
10:19 * magnuse            cheers dcook on
10:19 dcook                Thanks, magnuse :)
10:19 dcook                "Listen on port 8080: $EDITOR /etc/apache2/ports.conf"
10:19 dcook                Now if I were to modify my apache conf here...I'd need to restart afterward..
10:20 magnuse              yup
10:20 kf                   indrag++
10:20 * dcook              hasn't really played with apache config files since late 2011 :/
10:21 drojf                yay package installation \o/
10:21 * magnuse            thinks dcook missed out on a lot of fun, then
10:21 magnuse              drojf++
10:22 dcook                Ahh, I think I follow now..
10:23 dcook                Almost
10:23 * dcook              goes off to read more apache-specific pages
10:23 rangi                ed is back
10:24 drojf                dcook: if you are following the wiki, you'll have to restart apache a few times, or just at the end :)
10:24 dcook                drojf: Yep, following the wiki
10:25 dcook                I figure I'll probably just restart it at the end
10:29 dcook                Hmm, I'm a bit stumped
10:30 dcook                Oh well, moving on
10:34 rangi                [off] for some background, ed single handedly managed to stop the introduction of LCCN into koha for almost a year by demanding it in such an offensive manner that no one wanted to work on it
10:35 dcook                [off] fun times
10:35 rangi                [off] yep the king of thread hijacks http://osdir.com/ml/misc.koha/2003-12/msg00026.html
10:35 kf                   [off] sounds like it
10:36 rangi                [off] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/1870
10:36 rangi                [off] i should compile them all, it got pretty hilarious by the end
10:37 kf                   [off] let me guess hw many patches he contributed ?
10:38 rangi                [off] actually he stopped patches being committed, i think he is the only person with a negative patch count
10:38 rangi                [off] its a skill
10:39 kf                   [off] lol
10:40 drojf                [off] lol
10:40 dcook                Hmm...
10:41 dcook                Created my instance but no idea how to access it now
10:42 drojf                did you do any dns stuff? if no, visit server-ip:8080
10:42 dcook                I didn't do any dns stuff, but I also didn't make any changes for apache to listen to 8080
10:42 dcook                As I couldn't remember how to do that ;)
10:43 drojf                ah. i thought you were doing that when i came in
10:43 dcook                I second-guessed myself in the end
10:43 drojf                open /etc/apache2/ports.conf or what it is called and add 'Listen 8080' under 'Listen 80'
10:43 drojf                and restart. that should be all
10:44 dcook                Nice! I see a web installer!
10:44 dcook                Danke, drojf!
10:45 drojf                [off] not sure if i want to grant users the "freedom" to use an insecure system as a production environment
10:45 drojf                dcook: gern geschehen :)
10:45 kf                   [off] sounds like a job for our sneaky updater.. hacking into the server is easier with default passwords :)
10:46 drojf                [off] so, this is ed. seems like a great guy.
10:46 drojf                [off] he might be a person i would recommend using a live dvd to :P
10:46 * rangi              heads to bed
10:46 kf                   night rangi :)
10:46 drojf                night rangi
10:46 dcook                night rangi
10:48 kf                   nice effect there - every nick being a bit longer :)
10:49 dcook                drojf++
10:49 dcook                I thought it might be as easy as putting Listen 8080, but I wasn't sure because of the NameVirtualHost bit having *:80
10:50 dcook                Hmm, can't seem to access the OPAC...
10:59 dcook                Just realized that there are no bib records in a fresh install so maybe zebra is working..
10:59 * dcook              really should be out in the rain and not on the computer..
11:04 dcook                Ack, out of time
11:04 dcook                Thanks again rangi, drojf
11:05 dcook                I'll have to look more at this on the weekend\'
11:22 magnuse              koha_on_the_weekend++
11:43 magnuse              @wunder boo
11:43 huginn               magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 19.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on May 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
11:55 * dcook              might try to sneak a bit more Koha in tonight...
12:03 dcook                Hmm, zebra working. Yay!
12:04 dcook                A bit laggy though.
12:04 dcook                I guess it's rare that you'd catalogue a book and then want immediate access to it though
12:04 dcook                Well, potentially rare...
12:06 jcamins              dcook: koha-translate in 3.12 takes care of localizing the packages.
12:06 kf                   dcook: i think there was work on the indexer for the packages... maybe ask tcohen
12:07 dcook                jcamins: I meant in terms of building my own packages
12:07 dcook                kf: Good to know. I want to say there was always a bit of a delay though. We have custom zebra settings at work
12:07 jcamins              Oh, you just build packages the same way that anyone else does.
12:07 dcook                Still not able to access the OPAC following the Debian package install..
12:08 dcook                jcamins: Yeah, I started looking through the wiki, and it mentioned a page to look at. Plus, I seem to remember you having a script in your git repo somewhere.
12:08 kf                   dcook: which url are you trying?
12:08 dcook                Much more interested in accessing the OPAC than building packages at this point though
12:08 dcook                Well, I access the staff client by going to 192.168.1.xxx:8080
12:09 dcook                But when I try 192.168.1:80, it just gives me Apache's default page
12:09 dcook                Which makes a certain amount of sense, I suppose..
12:09 jcamins              dcook: `sudo a2dissite default`
12:09 dcook                Mmm
12:10 kf                   ^^
12:10 jcamins              Then restart Apache.
12:10 dcook                You are a gentleman and a scholar, jcamins
12:10 dcook                jcamins++
12:10 dcook                Hey ya oleonard
12:10 oleonard             Hi
12:10 dcook                Whereabouts do the apache config files live for Debian installs?
12:10 dcook                That don't use the...koha-sites.conf
12:11 jcamins              /etc/apache2/sites*
12:13 dcook                Beautiful!
12:13 wahanui              it has been said that Beautiful! is that a "moving to jquery (ui)" thing?
12:13 dcook                Many thanks again, jcamins :)
12:14 dcook                Mmm, and sites-enabled is just a symlink...sweet
12:14 magnuse              dcook: look at debian/build-git-snapshot if you want to build your own packages. it's fun!
12:14 * dcook              claps
12:14 oleonard             wahanui: forget Beautiful!
12:14 wahanui              oleonard, I didn't have anything matching beautiful
12:14 oleonard             wahanui: forget Beautiful\!
12:14 wahanui              oleonard, I didn't have anything matching beautiful\
12:14 kf                   oleonard: why not let him keep ti? :)
12:15 * oleonard           takes all of wahanui's toys for himself
12:15 magnuse              dcook: the symlinks are created and destroyed by the a2ensite and a2dissite commands, respectively :-)
12:15 jcamins              dcook: I use this: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=release-tool.pl;h=383616583ce044e9cbcc145b501ce8b556cac832;hb=HEAD
12:15 jcamins              (for building packages)
12:15 magnuse              dbic++
12:17 kf                   oleonard: lol
12:18 kf                   oleonard: no pressure at all intended - but do you have a timeframe in mind for the new templates? :)
12:18 jcamins              oleonard: okay, maybe a little bit of pressure. :P
12:18 kf                   not from me- i am just curious :)
12:19 magnuse              ooh, yes now we can start nagging oleonard about that ;-)
12:19 oleonard             The only timeframe I have at the moment is that I want it in 3.14
12:19 kf                   yay :)
12:19 magnuse              hehe
12:19 oleonard             ...and I want it in with plenty of time for y'all to kick the tires.
12:19 magnuse              good plan
12:19 magnuse              even better! :-)
12:19 kf                   excellent :)
12:20 oleonard             At this point I'm still not sure what the proper way of submitting it is.
12:20 kf                   hm git branch maybe?
12:20 kf                   we could make use of this pushed for qa status :)
12:21 kf                   oh
12:21 oleonard             I talked before about having it replace CCSR, but I should probably submit it as a third theme for testing purposes.
12:21 kf                   wouldn't it 'must' be new files in a new theme directory?
12:21 kf                   just...
12:21 kf                   I think maybe naming it 'default' like someone suggested would be good
12:22 jcamins              kf: I don't think "pushed for QA" would be necessary, since even without using that several patchsets that were developed in branches got in. :)
12:25 oleonard             I'm going on the assumption that we want a new default theme, and that we don't want to support more than one theme anymore.
12:25 jcamins              oleonard: both sound good to me.
12:25 oleonard             My idea, to reiterate, is to replace CCSR with the new theme in 3.14
12:26 oleonard             Then in 3.16 or whatever, drop prog and make the new theme default
12:26 jcamins              Sounds good to me.
12:26 dcook                oleonard++
12:27 kf                   oleonard: agreed - i was only wondering if we should drop ccsr directly or one release later
12:27 dcook                All right. I think it's bedtime. Thanks again jcamins, kf, drojf, rangi, magnuse, and anyone I missed!
12:27 kf                   good night dcook
12:27 dcook                Your help has been very much appreciated :)
12:28 dcook                I think there is a new convert to using Debian packages ;)
12:28 kf                   dcook: the real fun starts when you do more than one instance :)
12:28 magnuse              oleonard++
12:28 mtj                  i guess we still need to have some non-bootstrap theme in koha, for older web-browsers?
12:28 kf                   yep oleonard++ :)
12:29 kf                   mtj: so it's not degrading?
12:29 oleonard             mtj: What problems do you see with older browsers?
12:29 jcamins              mtj: why? The OPAC already doesn't work with anything older than IE6.
12:30 mtj                  hey, i'm completely fine with bootstrap :)
12:31 mtj                  but, other people on the lists were saying that bootstrap didnt run on their old browers
12:32 mtj                  …to which my reply would be 'well, upgrade your browser...?' :)
12:32 jcamins              Yeah, if you're using IE5 (or even IE6), you need to not be using it anymore.
12:32 kf                   so what does happen if it does not run?
12:32 oleonard             If I had my way we would drop support for IE7 too
12:32 kf                   i woudl guess it breaks part of the responsiveness
12:32 kf                   ?
12:33 jcamins              kf: well, right now if you try to view the OPAC on IE5 all the Javascript breaks and it's a huge mess.
12:33 oleonard             Older browsers can't do responsive, but that should just mean that the design isn't responsive.
12:33 jcamins              And, yes, I know this from experience.
12:34 jcamins              Same issue in Safari 1.
12:34 oleonard             ...and if you're running IE5 on your phone, you've got serious issues we can't address. :P
12:34 jcamins              lol
12:34 jcamins              Very true.
12:34 wahanui              I know. That's why I said it.
12:34 kf                   oleonard: heh
12:35 mtj                  cool, i agree with all of that ^^
12:35 kf                   mtj: isn't it night for you?
12:36 kf                   mtj: according to your sleeping rhythm you should move to europe :)
12:38 oleonard             Okay, so I'll treat my new theme as a third one for now so that it's easy to test alongside the stable ones.
12:38 jcamins              Makes sense to me.
12:38 oleonard             Lucky me, I get to play the "maintain your own custom theme" game for a while :)
12:38 mtj                  kf, yeah, 00:30 here -  i'm about to head to bed
12:44 drojf                but... what if my windows live dvd system comes with IE5 and i want to keep using it?
12:46 drojf                windows 3.11 live floppy disk
12:47 jcamins              lol
12:51 NateC                'ello
12:53 magnuse              drojf: that's a question for the google group
12:53 oleonard             Okay, I had patience enough to jump into the Live DVD thread yesterday, but now it's all gone.
12:54 jcamins              lol
12:54 oleonard             All of us who suggest that Live DVDs may not be the best way to run Koha in production are evil elitists and we're all wrong.
12:54 jcamins              Yeah.
12:54 jcamins              I am sending one e-mail.
13:15 magnuse              jcamins++ for letting myshkin have a voice too ;-)
13:16 druthb               g'mornin', #koha
13:18 NateC                hey druthb!
13:18 kf                   jcamins++
13:18 kf                   well myshkin++ really
13:19 jcamins              Cats are people too!
13:21 jcamins              I could've used my own introduction to Koha as an example of why live cds are problematic.
13:21 jcamins              Oh well.
13:23 jcamins              That message was more than long enough anyway.
13:24 drojf                jcamins: there will be plenty of time while the thread continues. wait till paul enters it
13:24 jcamins              drojf: I'm done.
13:24 jcamins              Ooh, mute!
13:24 jcamins              I always forget about mute.
13:24 drojf                :D
13:25 jcamins              Done.
13:25 * jcamins            leaves.
13:25 NateC                So Huntsville County Library System has just signed on for an implementation and ongoing support for Koha
13:26 NateC                the significance of this?
13:26 magnuse              w00t anyway!
13:26 kf                   wrong channel?
13:26 NateC                IT was the headquarters of Sirsi Dynix!
13:26 kf                   woot :)
13:26 NateC                nope right channel
13:26 kf                   IT?
13:26 wahanui              IT is probably changing a default behaviour
13:26 NateC                win for Koah
13:26 kf                   oh IT
13:26 kf                   sorry lol
13:26 kf                   congrats! :)
13:27 magnuse              not bad for Koha either ;-)
13:27 NateC                my point exactly
13:27 NateC                the evil empire is crumbling
13:27 NateC                slowly
13:27 NateC                so the "service" rep for Sirsi lives in Huntsville and uses their library
13:28 NateC                that makes me smile
13:28 magnuse              hehe
13:28 drojf                lol
13:28 drojf                nice
13:36 oleonard             Okay, now there's a bug for it: Bug 10309
13:36 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
13:48 kf                   oleonard++ :)
13:48 magnuse              oleonard++
13:49 oleonard             Thanks, I should tell you guys every time I file a bug ;)
14:01 tcohen               morning #koha
14:05 drojf                hi tcohen
14:05 tcohen               hi drojf
14:06 * drojf              heads home
14:17 tcohen               Bug 9735 is a useful one
14:17 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page
14:20 aj_                  Any idead on how to Set email as username in Patron Self Registration module
14:20 aj_                  http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Set-email-as-username-in-Patron-Self-Registration-module-tp5755514.html
14:26 oleonard             aj_: Since there is no preference for that I assume that you can't do that without modifying the code.
14:27 aj_                  any suggestion what code modification would be required
14:28 oleonard             aj_: No, but if you search the code for references to one of the prefs, like PatronSelfRegistrationDefaultCategory, you might get some clues.
14:29 aj_                  thank you! will try that out
14:30 oleonard             aj_: A worthwhile contribution would be to add a new system preference letting the librarian choose how to create the username
14:32 gmcharlt             @quote random
14:32 huginn               gmcharlt: Quote #218: "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts." (added by mtompset at 08:25 AM, October 07, 2012)
14:39 jenkins_koha         Starting build #45 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:40 * aj_                slaps aj_ around a bit with a large fishbot
14:45 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10261: Link to patron files missing from circ-menu.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c3dd427fa26e4f84d14a81453e12b868936a3bf>
14:51 rafael               Hi everyone!
14:52 rafael               I am trying to install pt_br translation to koha 3.12 in ubuntu 13.04.... I am getting an Can't find C4 context error. Although I have exported the variable with sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/
14:52 rafael               I get:    Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .)
14:52 kf                   i think maybe do export
14:52 rafael               I tried both env and export
14:52 kf                   how did you install koha?
14:52 rafael               export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
14:52 kf                   are you using packages?
14:52 rafael               kf, following the wiki. Packages the webinstaller
14:52 kf                   ah
14:53 rafael               kf: yes
14:53 kf                   in 3.12 there are new commands ot handle installations in packages
14:53 kf                   i will find the bug for you
14:53 rafael               kf:  Thanks
14:53 kf                   i think the problem is the user
14:53 kf                   the new scripts shoudl take care of that
14:53 kf                   bug 10041
14:53 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations
14:54 kf                   hm perhaps try koha-translate --help
14:55 kf                   should be as easy as koha-translate -i pt_br i think
14:55 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9507: prevent submit: refactor some code in a js file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e4c289d3f68aaab5d47172940e30fba0819804e>
14:55 rafael               kf: Thanks a lot... To download the the po files do I need to register in the translation communisties. I found the po files there, but no link to download them..
14:56 kf                   hm they should be in your version already I think
14:56 kf                   3.12 was released with the latest po files from pootle
14:56 kf                   but if you really want newer files (and there are valid reasons) just register and check the 'review' tab - there is the download button
14:56 rafael               kf: Thanks a lot!
14:56 kf                   registering needs a confirmed email address, but should work
14:57 kf                   np - hope it works :)
15:01 rafael               Installarion of pt-BR worked. I changed the i18n to pt-br in both staff and opac and restarted apache. Reloaded but interface is still in English
15:01 rafael               Do I need to recretae an instance?
15:08 tcohen               no you don't
15:08 tcohen               you don't need to restart apache either
15:09 maximep              try activating  opaclanguagesdisplay and look at if it's listed
15:09 maximep              on the bottom of pages
15:09 tcohen               on the bottom left corner you should see "Portuguese"
15:09 oleonard             rafael: Do you have both en and pt-br enabled in system preferences?
15:10 rafael               I see. Sorry before you answered I removed my instance and created a new one hopping I would get the installer again... Now I can't reach the webinstaller. I just get a It works apache message.
15:11 rafael               http://localhost:8080/ brings me the default apache installed page... Maybe I need to a2ensite again? It says it already exists
15:11 rafael               koha-list show me the instance was sucessfuly created
15:13 tcohen               run koha-list --enabled
15:13 rafael               Got it. Just needed to set the apache virtualhost to 8080
15:14 rafael               Thanks a lot
15:14 rafael               Now I hve the option to resume the installer in pt_br
15:20 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_3.12.x build #45: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/45/
15:20 jenkins_koha         Owen Leonard: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
15:20 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
15:21 jenkins_koha         Starting build #1192 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:25 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10080: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33b6ed32b40133c2c88e17aebf4d3382bd966c6f> / Bug 10080: (followup) change two last instances of the old syspref name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=066b55ef4d39cf422fc4f9755de6341a6b6410bb> / Bug 10080 - Change system pref IndependantBranches to IndependentBranches - Followup <http://git.koha-commun
15:26 oleonard             The long nightmare is over.
15:28 kf                   lol
15:28 kf                   hopefully we didn't miss some weirdness :)
15:30 reiveune             bye
15:56 kf                   gmcharlt++ :)
15:56 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7718: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c62c36508d0bea76322ead627c65e8b19fc9d91a> / Bug 7718 - Remove itemnumber column from serials table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67fb83d52554031f946709495112920fa2fc784c>
16:37 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1192: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1192/
16:37 jenkins_koha         * Owen Leonard: Bug 10261: Link to patron files missing from circ-menu.tt
16:37 jenkins_koha         * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9507: prevent submit: refactor some code in a js file
16:37 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Link to patron files missing from circ-menu.tt
16:37 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Some code used to prevent form from being unexpectedly submitted is duplicated
16:37 jenkins_koha         Starting build #46 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:02 * cait               waves
17:18 gaetan_B             bye !
17:21 tcohen               gmcharlt: should 10080 be considered fr 3.12.x? Didn't read it yet
17:22 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_3.12.x build #46: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/46/
17:22 jenkins_koha         * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10251: Fix typos in Patron Permissions Help
17:22 jenkins_koha         * Magnus Enger: Bug 10288 - Fix a tiny typo on "Pending offline circulation actions"
17:22 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10251 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , typos in help/members/member-flags.tt
17:22 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10288 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Tiny typo on "Pending offline circulation actions"
17:22 jcamins              but 10080
17:22 jcamins              bug 10080
17:22 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10080 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Change system pref IndependantBranches to IndependentBranches
17:22 jenkins_koha         Starting build #1193 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:23 jcamins              tcohen: absolutely not.
17:23 jcamins              IMO
17:23 tcohen               because of the DB change?
17:24 tcohen               is not relevant right now
17:24 jcamins              Because it's high-risk and low-reward.
17:25 tcohen               exactly, agreed
17:25 oleonard             no reward at all for people who only care about stable.
17:25 gmcharlt             yeah, the reasons why it was held back for 3.12 still apply to a stable branch
17:26 gmcharlt             one thing to note -- patches don't have to be cherry-picked from master to a stable branch *instantly*
17:26 gmcharlt             it's OK to wait to see if there are any side-effects first
18:23 tcohen               gmcharlt: is there a roadmap for 3.14 already established somewhere?
18:23 gmcharlt             tcohen: no; I need to do that
18:28 tcohen               bugzilla doesn't have the concept of milestones, right?
18:28 tcohen               (assign a collection of bugs to a goal, called milestone 3.14 , and such)
18:30 tcohen               like this http://tinyurl.com/prvx76x
18:30 oleonard             cait did you do some batch bug changes like you threatened to the other day?
18:30 rambutan             is there a way to enable logging of OPAC search terms, whether the user is logged in or not?
18:31 gmcharlt             tcohen: the problem with that is that there's no way to *require* that any particular bugs that make up a milestone actually be worked on
18:32 tcohen               which bz version are we on?
18:32 tcohen               I mean *at*
18:32 oleonard             4.2.5
18:35 tcohen               milestone definition is supported, maybe it just doesn't fit our dev workflow/process
18:36 cait                 oleonard: negative
18:37 cait                 i am still trying to come up with a list trying to remember what we did last time
18:37 gmcharlt             tcohen: I don't think it does, except possibly as a way to tag bugs *after* we know that the patches have made it in for a particular release
18:37 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1193: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1193/
18:37 jenkins_koha         * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10080 - Change system pref IndependantBranches to IndependentBranches
18:37 jenkins_koha         * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10080 - Change system pref IndependantBranches to IndependentBranches - Followup
18:37 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: Bug 10080: (followup) change two last instances of the old syspref name
18:37 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: Bug 10080: DBRev
18:37 jenkins_koha         * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7718 - Remove itemnumber column from serials table
18:37 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10080 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Change system pref IndependantBranches to IndependentBranches
18:37 jenkins_koha         * Galen Charlton: bug 7718: DBRev
18:37 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7718 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Remove itemnumber column from serials table
18:37 maximep              should I change the Version of bug 9394 to 3.14 or leave it to master ? Isn't master the next version, 3.14 ?
18:37 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9394 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Use reserve_id where possible
18:38 gmcharlt             maximep: I say leave it at master
18:38 gmcharlt             at least so far, assigning a specific version to a bug is most useful if the bug *only* affects that version
18:39 maximep              ok thx
18:39 maximep              my first signoff hehe
18:39 maximep              it was about time, after 2 years of working on koha -_-
18:39 * magnuse            waves goodbye to IndependantBranches
18:40 magnuse              maximep++
18:40 maximep              khall++ for the great work you're doing
18:40 cait                 sorry was afk, reading back now
18:42 magnuse              maximep: don't forget to change the status in bugzilla ;-)
18:42 cait                 oleonard: did you have one specific change in mind?
18:42 cait                 or a plan? :)
18:42 cait                 i can try and ask rangi to help me by switching mail off and do the changes we come up with
18:43 oleonard             Nope, just thought to wonder after hearing the talk about milestones
18:43 gmcharlt             maximep++
18:43 cait                 we did some changes to mark things resolved fixed that had been released last time
18:44 cait                 so i think maybe we would mark pushed to stable and pushed to master bugs from before the release as resolved fixed
18:44 mtompset             Greetings, #koha.
18:44 mtompset             I was doing a git rebase on my patch that I'm hacking around on.
18:44 cait                 gmcharlt, oleonard everyone else opinions on that idea? :)
18:44 cait                 and maximep++ :)
18:44 * druthb             blames cait.
18:44 mtompset             -- what idea?
18:44 cait                 druthb: ?
18:45 * druthb             shrugs.
18:45 gmcharlt             cait: seems reasonable to me
18:45 cait                 (20:44:00) cait: so i think maybe we could mark pushed to stable and pushed to master bugs from before the release as resolved fixed
18:45 maximep              magnuse: oops, tought I had changed it when I sent the patch. thx
18:45 cait                 i'd also like to reset some assignees that are no longer active
18:45 cait                 we still have lots assigned to sekjal and hdl
18:46 cait                 but not sure if I can do a good search for those... i always struggle with names
18:46 oleonard             They'll be back when they start missing us too much.
18:46 magnuse              awww...
18:46 cait                 you think? :)
18:46 mtompset             -- I was noticing a code change to older way of checking in the updatedatabase.pl on latest master stuff.
18:53 gmcharlt             mtompset: hmm?
18:53 mtompset             the old long style if with TransformToNum in it vs. CheckVersion()
18:54 jcamins              mtompset: yes.
18:54 gmcharlt             mtompset: ah, yeah, the course reserves patch has been around for yonks before it got merged
18:54 mtompset             Was there a reason?
18:54 jcamins              CheckVersion makes it easier to transition to the proposed database update scheme.
18:55 gmcharlt             and I plain goofed with the
18:55 gmcharlt             jcamins: which to emphasize, remains just a proposal from my POV
18:55 mtompset             So, should all the if's be nice and pretty and the same?
18:56 jcamins              mtompset: it doesn't really matter.
18:57 mtompset             okay, so then, which way should I be doing it?
18:57 gmcharlt             mtompset: CheckVersion
18:57 mtompset             Okay... just making sure. :0
18:58 cait                 jcamins: did you see the updatedatabase improvment showed up in the release notes?
18:59 jcamins              I did not.
18:59 jcamins              Oh well.
18:59 cait                 i think the script is not prepared for reverts
18:59 jcamins              Yeah, definitely not prepared for reverts.
18:59 * jcamins            checks if he cares...
18:59 jcamins              nope. :D
18:59 cait                 heh
19:00 gmcharlt             jcamins: which actually might speak to the one use for milestones that I can see
19:01 gmcharlt             (BZ milestones, that is)
19:01 jcamins              gmcharlt: yeah, I definitely think those could be good.
19:01 jcamins              But that requires an active bug wrangler.
19:03 jcamins              And I think Dyrcona can speak to how much work that is.
19:03 gmcharlt             in part, although one part lends itself to automation, namely tagging bugs that change state to 'pushed to master' with the upcomnig major release milestone
19:04 cait                 gmcharlt++ btw :)
19:05 jcamins              I guess if people could be taught to not mark milestones on bugs they've not actually fixed most could be automated.
19:06 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: prefer CheckVersion in updatedatabase.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec3c8e95e012e65cb2444c8ed62e48af34b3788c>
19:08 gmcharlt             mtompset++
19:09 mtompset             Thank you. Not a biggie. :)
19:10 jenkins_koha         Starting build #1194 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:29 cait                 hi pianohacker
19:29 pianohacker          hi cait
19:29 pianohacker          how's it going?
19:29 cait                 good, busy :)
19:30 pianohacker          know the feeling :) what are you up to?
19:31 cait                 hm too many things at once? :)
19:32 pianohacker          yeah, medical issues, helping friends move, work, etc.
19:33 pianohacker          just runnin' all over the place
19:33 cait                 oh right, you mentioned something about your hearing?
19:34 pianohacker          yeah, had surgery for a bone-attached hearing aid on monday, and the little healing cap over the gauze decided to fall off yesterday
19:35 cait                 hm and that's not good then?
19:37 pianohacker          no, not really. in doctor's office right now, working over phone internet
19:37 pianohacker          anyway
19:37 pianohacker          I'm griping
19:37 pianohacker          what are you up to
19:38 cait                 just a lot of work and different projects
19:38 cait                 lots of interest this year in koha :)
19:39 cait                 and need to update our manuals and prepare a bigger training
19:39 pianohacker          good!
19:39 pianohacker          that's excellent news
19:43 cait                 hope your ear is going to be ok
20:04 jcamins              ...
20:04 jcamins              oh my.
20:09 drojf                hm. so arguments are unhealthy, to question something is an incredibly negative response and all that somehow relates to a longish article about sexism that i am not going to read tonight? i guess i just take my "trolly" label and not respond to that thread anymore
20:10 jcamins              Huh?
20:10 drojf                its that thread you don't read ;)
20:10 rangi                drojf: thats what i did
20:10 cait                 the new pootle looks great
20:10 drojf                cait: yay
20:10 cait                 wonder if it will be hard to upgrade?
20:10 rangi                took it as an attempt to shut down discussion, shut down my discussion, ill refer ppl who get hacked to that thread :)
20:10 cait                 drojf: for example i like that: http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.5.0/features/checks.html#overriding-quality-checks
20:10 drojf                it looked easy in the mail ;)
20:11 rangi                cait: bgkriegel is TM eh?
20:11 cait                 yep
20:11 jcamins              rangi: indeed.
20:11 drojf                but i am not responsible for that server. it's always easy if you just have to nag somebody :P
20:11 cait                 but not sure if he had time to take a look at the server and the internals yet
20:11 pianohacker          And thus the reasoning behind the mute key in GMail and my great love for it :P
20:11 rangi                soon as i get the .po files for 3.10.6 nad 3.8.13
20:11 rangi                he should be able to try if he wants
20:11 cait                 bgkriegel bgkriegel bgkriegel
20:11 * cait               tries summoning :P
20:11 jcamins              pianohacker: wait, there's a *key* for mute in GMail?
20:12 rangi                2.5.0 does look awesome
20:12 jcamins              tirtmi
20:12 cait                 jcamins: ?
20:12 rangi                2.5.1 is scheduled for 6 montsh
20:12 drojf                bgkriegel bgkriegel bgkriegel
20:12 * drojf              tries to help
20:12 rangi                they are copying us :-) *grin*
20:12 jcamins              cait: pianohacker said there was a key.
20:12 cait                 drojf: apertium? http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.5.0/features/machine_translation.html#available-machine-translation-services
20:13 drojf                cait: yay!
20:13 rangi                he's in peru at the moment iirc
20:13 rangi                training koha users
20:14 rangi                koha_southish_america++
20:14 cait                 bgkriegel++ :)
20:14 jcamins              http://www.kino-teatr.ru/kino/movie/sov/8476/annot/ <-- I would like the OPAC to do this.
20:14 jcamins              (mouse over the names)
20:15 rangi                cool
20:15 druthb               rangi:  ready to retire as RMaint?
20:15 druthb               ;-)
20:15 rangi                jcamins: do they store images as part of VIAF ?
20:15 rangi                druthb: yes indeed!
20:16 * druthb             is ready to finish her retirement as ™.
20:16 druthb               Look for a pull req  pair when I get home shortly.
20:16 rangi                ok gotta go take kids to school
20:16 rangi                thanks :)
20:16 cait                 cya later rangi
20:19 jcamins              rangi: nope. :(
20:24 pianohacker          jcamins: yep, m
20:25 jcamins              pianohacker: nice!
20:25 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #1194: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1194/
20:25 jenkins_koha         Galen Charlton: prefer CheckVersion in updatedatabase.pl
20:26 jcamins              This may delay my unsubscribing from koha-devel.
20:27 pianohacker          hahahahaha
20:29 jcamins              pianohacker: I actually previously announced that I was going to set koha-devel to NOMAIL tomorrow, due to the high volume of nonsense and low volume of non-bikeshed painting.
20:29 jcamins              I am not sure if you have done the community a favor or a disservice. :P
20:30 cait                 hm and i didn't get tha tmail yet
20:31 cait                 pianohacker: what did you do?
20:31 jcamins              cait: told me about 'm' so that I can just mute everthing rather than outright setting it to NOMAIL.
20:31 cait                 oh
20:31 cait                 what does mute mean?
20:32 jcamins              (a button is too much work)
20:32 jcamins              Just what it sounds like... hide the thread.
20:33 pianohacker          future replies wont end up in your inbox
20:46 drojf                i forgot, what's with the most important topic of version naming?
20:46 drojf                or numbering
20:46 wahanui              i guess numbering is confusing me
20:51 drojf                ah, postponed to next meeting
21:10 cait                 hm we have about 700 bugs in pushed to master/pushed to stable now
21:10 cait                 some from last release - 2012
21:18 cait                 hi BobB
21:19 drojf                "It is with huge pleasure that the Debian GNU/Hurd team announces the release of Debian GNU/Hurd 2013"
21:19 drojf                does koha run on hurd?
21:19 jcamins              If you recompile Zebra for it, probably.
21:19 pianohacker          I imagine the question is more "does zebra/mysql/perl/our five quadrillion dependencies run on hurd"
21:20 pianohacker          aaaaaaand yeah, zebra's going to be the worst
21:20 pianohacker          just because it's zebra
21:21 pianohacker          oh wow
21:22 drojf                ha. i'll just use nozebra ^^
21:22 wizzyrea             err
21:22 wizzyrea             nozebra is deprecated
21:23 wizzyrea             your outcomes will be less than good I think.
21:23 pianohacker          i didnt realize anyone had bothered to deprecate it
21:23 wizzyrea             re: numbering, I think we are going to keep Pi, and start big number incrementing afterwards
21:24 wizzyrea             so release 3.14, then 4, 5, 6 etc
21:24 wizzyrea             maybe we'll skip four and 5 - not sure.
21:24 pianohacker          figured the first search attempt with more than ~1000 bibs would cure anyone's desire to use it
21:24 wizzyrea             4 & 5 could create confusion with the other not-koha
21:25 pianohacker          oh, we're pulling a chrome?
21:25 wizzyrea             that's the proposal
21:25 magnuse              jcamins: http://esme.priv.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=4
21:25 * wizzyrea           would be content to just skip all the way to 10
21:25 wizzyrea             and start there.
21:25 wizzyrea             (all that above makes it sound like I really have a strong opinion - I don't. Whatever will be fine by me)
21:25 Dyrcona              Sounds more like a Slackware to me.... ;)
21:26 pianohacker          if only for the release after
21:26 pianohacker          koha: spinal tap edition
21:26 wizzyrea             ^.^
21:26 jcamins              magnuse: a nice start!
21:27 magnuse              have fun #koha!
21:28 jcamins              I guess we have a meeting in two weeks.
21:28 jcamins              I think maybe I'll miss it.
21:33 pianohacker          uh oh
21:40 pianohacker          "but sir, why not just make a Koha that's just as fast, and call that Koha 10?"
21:40 pianohacker          "... but this one goes up to eleven"
21:41 jcamins              lol
21:41 jcamins              Exactly.
21:41 jcamins              You know what? It's time to go home.
21:41 jcamins              Bye.
21:43 pianohacker          bye jcamins
21:43 drojf                wizzyrea: i know about nozebra. i'll just use a version old enough ;)
21:43 drojf                also, what about koha 3000? :D
21:44 pianohacker          only if we switch to python
22:05 mtompset             Switch to python?! That would be a truly fundamental change.
22:09 rambutan1            Please re-write Koha in Python or Ada. See perl errors: http://paste.koha-community.org/22
22:10 wizzyrea             some of those searches are humorous
22:10 rambutan1            clearly perl ain't no good for nothin'
22:10 wizzyrea             dfghtgvyjkfyjuyjktrtv
22:12 rambutan1            If a programming language can't even self-initialize variables....
22:12 cait                 not sure we can blame perl for us programming badly
22:12 wizzyrea             ^
22:12 cait                 rambutan1: it can and it does
22:12 cait                 or your search wouldn't work i gues
22:12 cait                 s
22:12 cait                 it just warns
22:15 wizzyrea             popcorn?
22:15 wahanui              popcorn is a vital part of any work day.
22:15 wizzyrea             popcorn is also http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/jon-stewart-popcorn11.gif
22:15 wahanui              okay, wizzyrea.
22:15 wizzyrea             popcorn?
22:15 wahanui              i heard popcorn was http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/jon-stewart-popcorn11.gif
22:17 wizzyrea             confetti is also http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
22:17 wahanui              okay, wizzyrea.
22:18 pianohacker          popcorn _and_ confetti?
22:18 pianohacker          :(
22:18 cait                 why looking so sad?
22:19 pianohacker          was hoping for both...
22:19 pianohacker          what happened to rhcl, anyway?
22:23 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello?
22:23 wahanui              somebody said Hello was it necessary to make hold limit nil in system preference if it is already set in circulation privilege different for different users group
22:24 pianohacker          hah, bot's being overeager
22:24 pianohacker          hi, YoungPublicLibrarian
22:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Is there anyone on that is versed in writing reports for koha?
22:25 wizzyrea             ask?
22:25 wahanui              Don't ask to ask, just ask.
22:25 wizzyrea             :)
22:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Yes, well... Asking a room that knows nothing about what you're asking is somewhat counter productive...
22:27 pianohacker          well, of course
22:27 wizzyrea             no seriously, go ahead.
22:27 pianohacker          and we do appreciate that
22:27 pianohacker          but we're such a small community that if we don't know the answer we know who does
22:27 wizzyrea             has anybody experienced processing returns that doesn't remove the reserve from the list of reserves?
22:28 wizzyrea             I have someone reporting that and it's rather mystifying.
22:28 eythian              hi
22:28 wahanui              niihau, eythian
22:28 pianohacker          hi eythian
22:29 eythian              jcamins: that'll be the second time someone pointed out muting threads to you then :)
22:29 YoungPublicLibrarian I was wondering if there is a way to write a report to display all items hidden from the OPAC by a specific branch?
22:30 wizzyrea             that should be possible
22:30 wizzyrea             how are you hiding them?
22:32 pianohacker          ohh man, just dug through email
22:32 eythian              hi papa
22:32 pianohacker          gmcharlt++
22:32 wizzyrea             ikr
22:32 pianohacker          gmcharlt: I love you so much for fixing that typo you don't even know
22:33 * wizzyrea           too
22:33 pianohacker          I care about spelling more than I should and that bugged me _so_ _much_ while working on sysprefs
22:33 wizzyrea             i don't think it was a typo
22:33 wizzyrea             I think it was a frenchism
22:33 YoungPublicLibrarian There is a selection list in the cataloguers window that an option is "Hidden from OPAC" That is how they are hidden.
22:35 wizzyrea             you feelin alright you're usually cheerier than this. :/
22:35 wizzyrea             not that you have to be cheerful mind you.
22:35 gmcharlt             pianohacker: next thing to tackle... my nemesis, wthdrawn!
22:35 pianohacker          hehehe
22:35 pianohacker          wizzyrea: ?
22:36 wizzyrea             items = biblio or items = item
22:37 YoungPublicLibrarian The old cataloguer had hidden each issue of all our magazines and the new cataloguer wants a list of all hidden items to see what else was hidden from OPAC. That's what I need the report for, but I couldn't find any references to the hidden from OPAC field in the scheme or library.
22:37 * eythian            points gmcharlt in the direction of the 'creat' system call, and the 'referer' HTTP header.
22:38 gmcharlt             heh
22:40 YoungPublicLibrarian Anyone have any ideas?
22:40 eythian              YoungPublicLibrarian: where is the option? is it on the biblio or item level?
22:40 wizzyrea             in edit record or edit items?
22:41 wizzyrea             ha jinx
22:41 * eythian            knows nothing about "hidden from opac" but could probably make an educated guess with more information.
22:41 wizzyrea             same
22:41 pianohacker          It sounds like an addition to, of all things, the wthdrawn authorized values
22:42 YoungPublicLibrarian Lol, if I was the cataloguer I would know the answers. I do believe its under item level and edit record. But I'm not sure. I do know the field is "c-shelving location:"
22:43 wizzyrea             easy enough then
22:43 gmcharlt             YoungPublicLibrarian: is there anything set in the OpacHiddenItems system preference?
22:43 wizzyrea             she just wants to know what they are I think
22:44 YoungPublicLibrarian That I have no idea about, gmcharlt. Wizzyrea is correct.
22:44 wizzyrea             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Bibs_Marked_On_Order
22:44 wizzyrea             it'll be like this
22:44 wizzyrea             but instead of items.notforloan it'll be...
22:45 wizzyrea             items.location = whatever your value is
22:45 wizzyrea             which you can find in the authorised value definitions
22:45 wizzyrea             and you can add a limit for branch
22:45 wizzyrea             which there are many recipes for in the library
22:46 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay. I'll try that and come back in a few days if I need more help. Thank you all so much!
22:46 wizzyrea             good luck
22:51 YoungPublicLibrarian Hmmm, guess I need help sooner than I thought... How would I find the value of the item.location for the report? Would it say in the cataloguer area when editing the items?
22:51 jcamins              eythian: I knew about muting... what I did not realize was that there was a keyboard shortcut.
22:52 eythian              what MUA do you use?
22:52 jcamins              Just gmail.
22:52 wizzyrea             which you can find in the authorised value definitions -> more -> administration -> authorised value -> loc
22:52 eythian              ah OK.
22:53 YoungPublicLibrarian Umm... You lost me. Where would the authorized value definitions be? On the scheme?
22:54 eythian              YoungPublicLibrarian: in the staff client.
22:55 wizzyrea             either click the giant "Administration" button -> Authorized values
22:55 wizzyrea             or click More -> Administration -> Authorized Values
22:56 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, crap... I'll have to work with my director on that then. I'm not allowed to have that level of control.
22:56 wizzyrea             bother.
22:56 wizzyrea             you can run reports though?
22:58 YoungPublicLibrarian Nope, I have a contact that can. As tech support I'm not trusted with those kind of privileges. :/
22:58 wizzyrea             O.o
22:58 eythian              that does kinda mean you can't do support...
22:59 pianohacker          yeah, normally tech support has rather high privileges
22:59 pianohacker          otherwise solving issues like this is a game of telephone that just ends painfully for everyone
22:59 wizzyrea             ^^
22:59 YoungPublicLibrarian So I write up the reports, have my contact enter the report, I test it, make changes to the text file, have my contact repost the report and so on... It's rather tiresome...
23:00 pianohacker          yeah, sounds like it
23:01 YoungPublicLibrarian Unfortunately, because I'm young and know more, tech wise, than my director I am not trusted with any kind of privileges for the network or system... Everything has to go through the director while she's right there. No matter how small...
23:02 pianohacker          ahhhhhh, YoungPublicLibrarian, I sympathize more than you could know
23:02 wizzyrea             hm. stink
23:03 pianohacker          was in a similar situation at my first job, though my barriers had different names :)
23:04 YoungPublicLibrarian Yeah... But oh well. You do what you can...
23:05 YoungPublicLibrarian When my director gets back from vacation I'll get with her and try to find the correct value...
23:05 eythian              "We do what we must because we can"?
23:05 pianohacker          yup. the true sign of craziness is sticking with libraries despite the people that work in them, including ourselves
23:06 YoungPublicLibrarian Ain't that the truth...
23:10 YoungPublicLibrarian Thank you to everyone that helped me out. I really appreciate it. I know just enough about Koha and SQL to get me into trouble but not enough to do what I want all the time...
23:11 pianohacker          not a problem
23:11 pianohacker          best of luck
23:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Have a good day everyone! Later.