Time  Nick       Message
23:59 mtj        wizzyrea, 1 tic...
23:58 wizzyrea   the web interface seems to be up
23:57 wizzyrea   anyway i tweeted at them - maybe they'll fix it.
23:57 wizzyrea   right - other end it is then
23:57 eythian    if it's from your desktop, you're not really firewalled for that sort of thing
23:56 wizzyrea   I'm leaning towards problem on the other end
23:55 wizzyrea   yea, I was trying to find out if it was a firewall thing or a problem at the other end
23:55 eythian    I haven't tried for a while.
23:55 eythian    wizzyrea: check, as we have some people set up on it, but I think it's often flakey.
23:55 wizzyrea   can you connect to it from your yaz client?
23:55 dcook      morning #koha
23:55 wizzyrea   heh!
23:55 wizzyrea   (since there are several)
23:55 eythian    wizzyrea: I think that one is down more often than up
23:54 wizzyrea   nlnzcat.natlib.govt.nz  , specifically
23:53 wizzyrea   and if they are able to
23:53 wizzyrea   curious if you have any clients connecting to the national library z39 target
23:53 mtj        sup, wizzyrea ?
23:52 mtj        hey liz
23:51 wizzyrea   mtj about?
23:36 wizzyrea   http://www.z-brary.com/n.html
23:35 eythian    I think we'd end up calling "system", or more likely, finding a module that does that sort of thing for us.
23:31 tcohen     or will we end up calling system() for those steps?
23:31 tcohen     if we wrote it in perl, do we already have dependencies defined for stuff like creating unix users ?
23:29 tcohen     or we could just use a stack of completed steps
23:29 tcohen     I think what someone proposed about just calling koha-remove could do it
23:26 eythian    how do you propose to do it? (not that it's impossible to do an undo stack in bash, I just figured it'd be a lot easier in Perl)
23:23 tcohen     rewriting in Perl could take longer
23:23 tcohen     eythian: i've been reading koha-create, a refactoring using bash its doable in a couple of days (including testing)
23:13 eythian    just makes for impressive pictures and grumpy drivers really. A few trees down in some parts.
23:12 eythian    yeah, it's not too serious.
23:12 tcohen     are u ok??
23:12 eythian    Across a lot of the country. Wellington, Auckland, Chch and other parts too.
23:11 tcohen     or just christchurch?
23:11 tcohen     across the whole country?
23:11 eythian    surface flooding over many suburbs
23:10 eythian    tcohen: a very large dose of rain overnight and earlier this morning
23:10 tcohen     what happened eythian ?
23:10 cait       heh
23:10 eythian    probably because you live in a remote country
23:10 cait       wow
23:09 cait       loading quite slowly
23:08 eythian    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8636104/Wild-weather-hits-the-country <-- cait, this was this morning
22:59 mtj        ...oops, forgot to restart tweetbot, when i rebooted on friday
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22:58 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios
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22:25 eythian    heh we even had lightning last night, too, which is pretty rare for here.
22:24 eythian    Mine just lost overhead power a couple of times for a few minutes, but it did have to take a diversion.
22:24 cjh        so he brought the weather back with him, thanks eythian !
22:24 cait       we hadn't rain that bad since you left I think
22:24 cait       eythian: ah
22:23 eythian    (fortunately not mine)
22:23 eythian    (some of them, anyway :)
22:23 eythian    cait: today the busses here couldn't run because the streets were flooded
21:56 magnuse    g'night #koha
21:51 cait       good night drojf
21:51 drojf      i'll try that sleep thing. maybe that is an option for you too, cait ;) good night #koha
21:48 cait       lol
21:45 cjh        heh
21:43 drojf      oh, there is a holiday again on thursday… i'd rather have my phone delivered :/
21:40 cait       :)
21:37 drojf      but the nz rain sounds nice too. i could use that now. as a background sound for sleeping :D
21:36 huginn`    cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.7°C (11:35 PM CEST on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
21:36 cait       @wunder Konstanz
21:36 cait       drojf: possible :)
21:35 drojf      i think we had the nicest day this year so far
21:35 huginn`    drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 17.1°C (11:13 PM CEST on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
21:35 drojf      @wunder berlin, germany
21:31 cjh        oh wow!
21:30 cait       the buses couldn't run because the road was flooded :)
21:30 cait       ask robin about his last day when he tried to come to bsz :P
21:27 cjh        it is wet. very very wet.
21:26 huginn`    bgkriegel: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0°C (6:00 PM ART on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
21:25 bgkriegel  @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:23 bgkriegel  http://wwlln.net/WWLLN_movies/Movie_of_Lightning_in_Pacific_BIG.gif
21:23 rangi      it sure is
21:23 mtj        wow, that is some weather outside, huh!
21:23 wizzyrea   it's nice if you can stay inside with book and a cup of tea.
21:22 cait       but I am a weird person
21:22 cait       wizzyrea: i love rain :)
21:22 rangi      thats more realistic
21:22 rangi      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8636104/Wild-weather-hits-North-Island-top-of-South
21:21 wizzyrea   showers my ass.
21:21 huginn`    rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (9:15 AM NZST on May 06, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Rising).
21:21 rangi      @wunder nzwn
21:21 wizzyrea   it's as if all of the rain we missed from this summer decided to come all at once
21:20 wizzyrea   it's raining buckets here :)
21:10 bgkriegel  somewhere yes, still sunday here :)
21:09 cait       where is everyone tonight? isn't it mondy morning somewhere? :)
20:23 cait       ah
20:23 wahanui    cait: I forgot hi cait :)
20:23 cait       forget hi cait :)
20:23 cait       forget hi cait
20:23 cait       forget hi cait?
20:23 wahanui    Hi cait :) are you around ?
20:23 kathryn    Hi cait :)
20:22 cait       morning kathryn :)
19:48 cait       so eight hours in the other direction? *ponders*
19:47 cait       oh
19:47 jcamins    Sunday.
19:37 * cait     tries to get this timezones thing right
19:37 cait       monday for you?
19:33 gmcharlt   hi cait
19:33 cait       hi gmcharlt :)
19:32 huginn`    cait: Quote #131: "oleonard Yeah, huginn. Perv." (added by Brooke at 04:09 PM, May 04, 2011)
19:32 cait       @quote random
19:32 huginn`    gmcharlt: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
19:32 gmcharlt   @quote random
19:18 cait       heh
19:16 druthb     Eat a bite, snooze...eat a bite, snooze..
19:16 druthb     The chicks are so cute!
19:13 cait       wonder if the third egg should be so dark... and if it will hatch too
19:13 cait       :)
19:13 cait       ew
19:10 druthb     ooooo...brought food back to the nest!
18:47 druthb     yup.  looks breezy, so they're all tucked in warm!
18:45 cait       understandable :)
18:44 druthb     Parent giving us the ebil eye.
18:44 druthb     fuzzy!
18:43 druthb     looks like, yah
18:43 cait       2 even?
18:43 cait       fluffy babies
18:42 druthb     oooooo...falcon!
17:42 * magnuse  wanders off to make pizza
17:41 magnuse    heh
17:41 cait       get up!!
17:41 magnuse    yeah
17:41 cait       or is he...?
17:41 cait       is she sitting on it?
17:41 cait       and we missed it!
17:40 magnuse    ooh one of the eggs have hatched http://www.library.umass.edu/falcons
16:30 jcamins    Well, I'm not sure how the desk would take it, but also it would take several trips.
16:28 cait       for the desk?
16:26 jcamins    That's problematic.
16:26 jcamins    60lbs.
16:26 jcamins    12.
16:12 jcamins    I have to figure out again how many I need.
16:10 jcamins    I think I'll eat lunch then go out and buy some.
16:10 jcamins    I just still need bricks.
16:10 jcamins    Done!
16:07 * cait     shrugs
16:05 jcamins    Actually, it's exactly the right size.
16:05 * jcamins  did so.
16:05 jcamins    Bwahahaha!
16:04 jcamins    Maybe what I should do is take the expanding bookend thing that Shari's been using.
16:03 jcamins    I only have about... 50cm.
16:02 jcamins    That's what I'd do, except I don't have space.
16:02 cait       piles of books
16:02 cait       I also use books as book ends....
16:02 jcamins    My problem is that most of the suggestions I find online assume that you want to keep your collection of mass market -- or, at best, trade -- paperbacks from falling over.
15:59 jcamins    Nope. Though I suppose I could buy bookends, if it came to that.
15:59 cait       but that's not your question again I guess :)
15:59 cait       they are almost invisible and I like them for this
15:58 cait       I have simple bookends made from metal
15:58 jcamins    I know exactly what they need to do. They need to keep books from falling over.
15:58 jcamins    I need to know what to use for bookends!
15:58 cait       you are confusing me
15:58 jcamins    Oh, no, I'm not asking what capabilities a good bookend should have.
15:57 jcamins    Yes.
15:57 cait       it holds the books in place?
15:57 cait       hm
15:57 cait       ?
15:57 jcamins    What makes a good bookend?
15:57 cait       hm
15:57 jcamins    I need advice.
15:26 cait       :)
15:19 jcamins    Down to 847 lines.
15:17 jcamins    It'd be nice if it alerted, but with offline circ you cannot have any assurance that a hold hasn't already been filled elsewhere.
15:17 jcamins    tcohen: I don't think so.
15:16 tcohen     jcamins, holds on the item?
15:14 cait       we have started showing the status only some time ago
15:14 jcamins    Well, with off-line circ there's really nothing that should block a checkout.
15:14 cait       or only show a message
15:14 cait       i am not sure if it should block checkout
15:13 jcamins    I guess in-building use is orthogonal to not for loan.
15:13 cait       hm was wrong about 852
15:12 druthb     jcamins:  it might be in-building use only, or it might be for use with classified docs (or "no minors" or whatever)
15:12 jcamins    Maybe.
15:12 jcamins    That makes sense.
15:11 jcamins    cait: oh, hm.
15:11 * druthb   is tempted.
15:11 cait       i think it stems from 852 somehow
15:11 cait       or under supervision
15:11 cait       can only be used in the reading room
15:11 cait       i always thought abou treading rooms
15:11 jcamins    :P
15:11 cait       hm
15:11 jcamins    And if you say "the item is restricted," you're going to lose karma.
15:10 jcamins    Does anyone know what "item is restricted" means?
15:10 * druthb   too.
15:07 * tcohen   wants cookies
14:13 bgkriegel  for that reason are always welcome :)
14:10 cait       ah, cookies work prophylactical too :)
14:03 bgkriegel  but no frustration at all
14:02 bgkriegel  thanks :)
14:02 * cait     hands out cookies
14:02 cait       hm hope that's not frustration i hear there?
14:01 bgkriegel  yes, we need lots
14:01 cait       well, enthuasiasm is always needed :)
14:01 cait       :)
14:00 bgkriegel  cait++
14:00 bgkriegel  that's enthusiasm :)
13:59 cait       helps making it easier to look at some ugly code :)
13:59 cait       yeah work never ends... but also lots of good things happen all the time
13:57 bgkriegel  work never ends. Put FacetLabelTruncationLength on 50 and all looks good
13:56 cait       right now i am testing and documenting ways to hide records and items in opac... see the new bugs... *sigh*
13:55 cait       :)
13:53 bgkriegel  yes
13:53 cait       if the problems you see are always before the ... it's that
13:53 cait       there is a system preference for facet length, but it doesnot work correctly for composed characters... if that makes sense?
13:52 cait       bgkriegel: it cuts the 'character' in half
13:52 cait       bgkriegel: that'd due to facet length
13:49 bgkriegel  good, what do you think?
13:48 tcohen     got your message last night (--lang)
13:48 tcohen     hi bgkriegel
13:48 bgkriegel  hi tcohen
13:38 bgkriegel  the url is working, of course
13:38 bgkriegel  I still see ي , �... (those ?? symbols)
13:37 bgkriegel  you did QA for 10174. The text of facets looks well for you?
13:37 cait       yes? :)
13:37 wahanui    go back to bed, cait.
13:37 bgkriegel  cait?
13:36 bgkriegel  hello
12:39 jcamins    I'm sure he'd like me to think that.
12:39 jcamins    Hehe.
12:37 cait       :P
12:37 cait       when he has to steal your buisciuts you probably don't feed him well enough!
12:36 jcamins    Myshkin just ate my biscuit!
10:38 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7441 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , search results showing wrong branch?
10:38 cait       bug 7441
09:55 huginn`    magnuse: unknown tag 081
09:55 magnuse    @marc 081
09:33 magnuse    guten morgen cait
09:32 cait       morning magnuse :)
09:22 huginn`    magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising).
09:22 magnuse    @wunder boo
09:19 * magnuse  waves
08:35 huginn`    cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.6°C (10:35 AM CEST on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
08:35 cait       @wunder Konstanz
07:21 druthb     Hi, cait! :D
07:21 cait       :)
07:21 cait       hi druthb
07:21 cait       good morning
05:24 * wizzyrea waves
02:29 bgkriegel  good bye
02:26 bgkriegel  another french warning (no use utf8), Serials.pm, line 2388
02:23 bgkriegel  tcohen: an idea (and more work) for you. Add --lang to koha-create, so to offer and use translated interface on web installer (and use localized sql files).
02:19 bgkriegel  :)
02:19 wahanui    rumour has it tcohen is 120
02:19 bgkriegel  tcohen?
02:19 bgkriegel  another: line 1487 in C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm, a warning message in french, no use utf8
01:47 tcohen     "As a compatibility measure, the use utf8 pragma must be explicitly included to enable recognition of UTF-8 in the Perl scripts themselves (in string or regular expression literals, or in identifier names)"
01:46 tcohen     I think comments are not an issue
01:45 bgkriegel  diacritics
01:44 bgkriegel  there are other two lines with UTF symbols, but on comments
01:43 bgkriegel  yeap
01:43 bgkriegel  for me, it works
01:43 tcohen     if there's non-ASCII in the code use utf8 is a must
01:43 bgkriegel  Ok, so I sign (he wrote asking me)
01:42 jcamins    It is good.
01:42 jcamins    Actually, I understand Karam's patch now.
01:42 bgkriegel  I asked Karam, he said is for arabic one or is an arabic symbol
01:42 tcohen     I see ¿
01:42 tcohen     why do u say its arabic?
01:41 bgkriegel  they use arabic
01:41 jcamins    To me it looks wrong, but Lyon wrote a patch especially to add it.
01:41 bgkriegel  was my thinking
01:40 bgkriegel  a strange one
01:40 tcohen     a typo
01:40 jcamins    I have no idea what it was for.
01:39 jcamins    I have no idea.
01:39 bgkriegel  tcohen: nice cat :)
01:38 bgkriegel  if not, then we must use utf8
01:38 bgkriegel  can be removed?
01:37 bgkriegel  ah,ok
01:37 jcamins    I just moved it.
01:37 jcamins    Actually, that's not from my patch.
01:37 tcohen     heh
01:37 tcohen     http://snag.gy/TOSsw.jpg
01:36 bgkriegel  or seems to be
01:36 jcamins    Oh, I see.
01:36 bgkriegel  inverted
01:36 bgkriegel  an invertes ?
01:36 bgkriegel  s/[()!?¡¿؟]/ /g;
01:36 bgkriegel  last
01:36 bgkriegel  lat between[]
01:35 jcamins    What strange symbol?
01:33 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9183 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , C4::Search should only have one ZOOM event loop
01:33 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10176 major, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Needs Signoff , Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols
01:33 bgkriegel  jcamins: I'm sending a mail to koha devel. Karam found a strange solution to Bug 10176, which fixes the use of a more strange symbol in Bug 9183 (line 574 in Search.pm). There is an Arabic symbol in a perl substitute.
01:33 jcamins    Yes?
01:25 wahanui    somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
01:25 bgkriegel  jcamins?