Time  Nick         Message
12:06 magnuse      :-/
12:06 kf           ok, there goes my zebra index theory
12:06 magnuse      series does not show in result
12:06 wahanui      rumour has it detail view is back
12:06 magnuse      detail view
12:06 kf           magnuse: detail view or results?
12:06 pastebot     "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "biblio" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/499
12:05 marcelr      magnuse: your framework in biblio?
12:04 magnuse      kf: yeah, i think it is the same
12:04 pastebot     "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "record in db" (90 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/498
12:03 kf           because the xslt view draws from that i think?
12:03 kf           magnuse: is the marcxml in the database identical?
12:02 marcelr      strange
12:02 magnuse      it's seems almost as if the 440 is removed from the records before it is passed to the xslt processing...
12:01 pastebot     "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "problematic record" (56 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/497
12:01 magnuse      yeah, exporting and then importing into another instance running the same code -> series is displayed. importing into the same instence from which the record was exported -> series is still not displayed
11:59 pastebot     "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "series xslt" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/496
11:59 marcelr      when comparing the two instances
11:59 marcelr      magnuse: if you are sure to have the same codebase, xslt is not the cause
11:58 magnuse      nope, the xslt is really simple
11:58 kf           does it check for indicators or some other condidtion?
11:58 kf           hm have yu checked your xslt?
11:57 magnuse      kf: xslt. the series does display when xslt is off
11:54 kf           magnuse: normal view or xslt view?
11:52 marcelr      well, you seem to get closer to resolving this
11:52 magnuse      all the subfields of 440 had hidden = -1 in the probelamtic instance, and hidden = 0 in the good instance, but changing the problematic instance does not seem to affect anything.
11:45 magnuse      heh, lemme check
11:45 marcelr      the famous hidden options
11:45 magnuse      no differences show up in the cataloguing screens
11:44 marcelr      :)
11:44 magnuse      should be
11:44 marcelr      and these are exactly the same?
11:43 magnuse      they are all set to the standard framework
11:43 magnuse      and those first 5 numbers are just autogenerated stuff
11:43 marcelr      framework settings?
11:42 magnuse      i have exported the original record and the exported/imported one, and the only diff is in the leader: <leader>00489    a2200181   4500</leader> v.s. <leader>00491    a2200181   4500</leader>
11:40 wahanui      indicators are still to do.
11:40 kf           magnuse: indicators?
11:40 wahanui      framework stuff is confusing to me
11:40 marcelr      magnuse: framework stuff?
11:38 magnuse      if i export the record that does not display the series title in the intranet, and import it into another instance running off the same codebase, the series name shows up in the intranet. why would it do that? what does the export/import process change?
11:26 kf           I started offline translating this morning
11:25 kf           :)
11:07 magnuse      nb-NO-i-opac-t-prog-v-3006000.po is done too!
11:04 marcelr      magnuse++
11:03 magnuse      woohoo nb-NO-opac-ccsr.po is done! (2 words :-)
10:48 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ranginui: "#kohails is in string freeze ready for the 3.12 release, time to get translating http://t.co/lecjzttfTi"
10:42 huginn`      kf: The operation succeeded.
10:42 kf           @later tell drojf - i will hopefully upload completed translations later today
10:39 magnuse      if i switch from normarc to marc21, both books display the series in the opac, but none of them in the intranet
10:38 magnuse      weirdness. i've got two books in a series, with the name of the series in 440a and the enumeration in 440v. one of them displays the series info both in the opac and in the intranet. the other one displays it in the opac but not in the intranet. anyone else seen that?
10:37 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
10:37 huginn`      magnuse: A series statement for which no series added entry is traced or for which the added entry is traced in one of the 800-830 fields in a form different from the form contained in field 490. (Repeatable) [a,l,v,x,6,8]
10:37 magnuse      @marc 490
10:36 huginn`      magnuse: A series statement consisting of a series title alone. (Repeatable) [a,n,p,v,x,6,8]
10:36 magnuse      @marc 440
10:13 * magnuse    tries to tell himself translating will be fun this time around
09:51 huginn`      marcelr: The operation succeeded.
09:51 marcelr      @later tell jcamins please see my comment on bug 10070
09:45 kf           drojf: i am going to send an email to the list
09:36 wahanui      goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
09:36 dcook        night all
09:36 dcook        Oh well. It didn't increase, I suppose.
09:35 dcook        All right. Time to...leave work. I think the bug count is the same as when I started :p
09:25 dcook        I'll need to remember that one..
09:25 dcook        sweet
09:25 rangi        etc
09:25 rangi        git show -w
09:25 rangi        git diff -w
09:25 rangi        git blame -w
09:24 dcook        in what context?
09:24 rangi        tells git to ignore whitespace changes
09:24 rangi        -w is handy
09:23 dcook        Actually, I have a tool that should ignore the whitespace so it shouldn't be too bad..
09:23 rangi        heh yeah thats the thing
09:23 dcook        Looking at that old bug of mine, it's going to be interesting remembering what's white space and what isn't
09:23 dcook        Agreed.
09:23 rangi        mixing the 2 of them just makes it hard for qa etc
09:23 * dcook      needs to remember to do a separate whitespace clean up for one of his old failed bugs..
09:22 dcook        Right
09:22 rangi        the other is whitespace clean up
09:22 rangi        one is the changes
09:22 rangi        you could have, but i did them as 2 patches on purpose so id get mad if you did :)
09:19 dcook        I suppose I could've squashed those?
09:19 dcook        There we are
09:18 dcook        Hmm, this multi-patch git bz thing is...grr
09:17 huginn`      magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:17 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
09:17 magnuse      @quote get 123
09:17 dcook        hehe
09:15 rangi        yeah i wrote it with kids on me
09:14 dcook        I seem to recall a warning to test it a bunch though ;)
09:14 rangi        cool
09:14 dcook        Yep, I already test that
09:13 rangi        and see if it increments with do on (without having fines.pl being run)
09:12 rangi        so tested it with an overdue
09:12 rangi        you tested it without running fines.pl first?
09:12 dcook        Well, I can't think of any other ways to test it
09:11 rangi        you may want that behaviour, you may not, most people dont
09:11 dcook        Which is probably 99% of the time
09:11 rangi        it will increment
09:11 rangi        it means tho, if you runs fines.pl today and return it tomorrow
09:11 dcook        Sweet. I was hoping that was the case.
09:11 rangi        it will only increment if the date is different
09:10 wahanui      crazy is if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder
09:10 cjh          crazy?
09:10 rangi        the date is the same
09:10 rangi        it shouldnt
09:09 dcook        I just tried returning with the syspref set to "Do" after running fines.pl and it didn't increment..
09:09 dcook        Hmm
09:07 dcook        true true
09:07 dcook        hehe
09:07 rangi        you never know with libraries
09:07 dcook        I suppose depending on the time of the return..
09:07 rangi        maybe
09:06 dcook        I wonder if there would ever be a case where you want to calculate fines on return and nightly
09:06 dcook        Right
09:06 * wizzyrea   loves that one
09:06 dcook        lol
09:06 rangi        then the syspref could be changed to a trinary
09:06 rangi        that you could use to know if it was a hourly loan
09:05 cjh          lol
09:05 rangi        to add a column to the issues table
09:05 rangi        that could be another piece of work
09:05 rangi        nope
09:05 rangi        http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qgz25/
09:05 dcook        But there is no way to tell when it's an hourly loan
09:05 dcook        So you'd never want to have it on...except for hourly loans
09:05 rangi        yep
09:05 dcook        So yay sys pref!
09:04 rangi        sure fire way to get complaints
09:04 dcook        Pretty much
09:04 rangi        is about the worst thing a library can do
09:04 rangi        messing with borrowers money
09:04 rangi        *nod*
09:03 dcook        That might explain a complaint that I got recently..
09:03 rangi        this fixes the regression
09:03 rangi        yep
09:03 rangi        which shouldnt have happened (back in 3.8)
09:03 dcook        So way back...3.8.0-ish?
09:03 dcook        Mmm
09:03 rangi        with the hourly loans
09:03 rangi        sorry without a preference
09:03 rangi        its fixing the fact ath it was introduced without a patch
09:02 rangi        no
09:02 dcook        That's a different one that was already pushed?
09:02 dcook        So this patch isn't introducing the new behaviour
09:02 rangi        now it is
09:02 rangi        with the new behaviour (and without the patch)
09:02 rangi        the fine you got yesterday isnt added to
09:01 rangi        if you returned it at 8am the next morning
09:01 rangi        before this behaviour was added
09:01 rangi        but say your library runs fines at 11pm
09:01 rangi        it should just update
09:01 dcook        Potentially?
09:00 rangi        potentially yes
09:00 dcook        Thus being double fined?
09:00 rangi        it changes behaviour, and as such should never have been added without a syspref
09:00 dcook        So if your fine increased over night...would it increase again at check in?
09:00 rangi        yep
09:00 * dcook      isn't familiar with the fines tables
08:59 dcook        So their fines would accrue over night...but not at check-in, unless they have this preference set to "Do"
08:59 rangi        which you run daily
08:59 rangi        yup
08:59 dcook        Do they just accrue during the fines.pl cronjob?
08:59 dcook        10120 looks good, but I'm curious about how fines regularly work
08:58 rangi        yep
08:57 dcook        rangi, you still around?
08:45 drojf        hi dcook
08:45 drojf        kf: i did some translation but then remembered you did it offline the last time… so i hope that wasn't redundant now
08:45 dcook        morning drojf, marcelr
08:44 drojf        hi marcelr
08:44 marcelr      hi drojf
08:44 drojf        good morning #koha
08:40 kf           meeting
08:33 rangi        sounds good
08:33 dcook        Thanks again, rangi. You're a answer machine today ;)
08:33 dcook        Hmm. Sounds good. I'll use that and then just include a comment asking for a more detailed test plan
08:32 rangi        there's a status for it :)
08:32 rangi        thats a patch doesnt apply
08:30 dcook        Is that a "Failed QA" or just a comment?
08:30 dcook        Hmm, patch doesn't apply anyway..
08:28 dcook        I don't really get the test plan...
08:27 rangi        not me
08:23 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8735 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Expire holds waiting only on days the library is open
08:23 dcook        Has anyone else looked at bug 8735?
08:22 dcook        Hrmm
08:19 dcook        Agreed, rangi
08:19 dcook        kf: Ever listen to Kat Frankie?
08:19 rangi        i think is waht they really are
08:19 dcook        Makes sense
08:19 dcook        Right...library website
08:19 rangi        but staff and public
08:18 rangi        mostly
08:18 wahanui      the library is happy with it, but they don't have a lot of transactions
08:18 rangi        the library
08:18 kf           online public access cataloge... was totally modern once
08:18 dcook        What do they call it?
08:18 rangi        knows what the hell an opac is
08:18 dcook        Nope
08:18 rangi        but no one who actually uses it
08:18 kf           rangi: OPAC is quite old... :)
08:18 rangi        *nod*
08:18 dcook        It'll always be OPAC to (old school) librarians
08:18 rangi        i think thinking of it as an OPAC actually is harmful
08:17 dcook        I like this idea
08:17 dcook        heh
08:17 rangi        and staff interface
08:17 rangi        and call it public interface
08:17 dcook        O_o
08:17 rangi        can we kill OPAC
08:17 dcook        Maybe not..
08:17 rangi        for 3.14
08:17 dcook        Actually, I think I used to see the barcode when I was at the university
08:17 dcook        I was looking at the release tool git, but I guess that must be more recent
08:17 rangi        yeah they might find it useful
08:17 dcook        Mmm
08:17 dcook        I think they're all special
08:16 rangi        paul didnt have the habit of commenting
08:16 dcook        Nope
08:16 rangi        you must have no public libraries
08:16 dcook        Just no comment for it
08:16 dcook        Ah, I see
08:16 dcook        I think all our clients use it
08:16 rangi        its pushed
08:16 rangi        nope
08:16 dcook        Depends on the people I suppose
08:16 dcook        Hmm, not pushed?
08:15 rangi        yeah for most people its not useful
08:15 dcook        Thanks :)
08:15 dcook        I thought that might be the case...
08:15 rangi        october 2011
08:15 dcook        Mmm
08:15 kf           for most people the barcode is not useful
08:15 kf           dcook: syspref
08:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6774 enhancement, P3, ---, amit.gupta, Pushed to Master , Optionally display barcode on OPAC detail page
08:14 rangi        bug 6774
08:13 rangi        i vaguely remember a bug for it
08:10 rangi        its a syspref
08:08 dcook        I'm not seeing it in master though
08:08 dcook        kf: I thought that you said that barcode was added to the opac display a while ago...
07:57 dcook        hehe
07:52 kf           thx, closed the wrong window
07:52 dcook        wb kf
07:51 wahanui      germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
07:51 huginn`      GERMS!!!!
07:38 * dcook      goes back to testing bugs
07:38 dcook        Errmm.
07:38 dcook        http://drupal.org/node/648606
07:36 dcook        Shouldn't that be ni hao?
07:29 wahanui      niihau, gaetan_B
07:29 gaetan_B     hello
07:25 kf           hi christophe_c
07:13 christophe_c hello dcook kf
07:11 kf           hi again :)
07:11 wahanui      thanks kf :)
07:11 kf           wahanui botsnack cookie
07:11 * dcook      waves to asaurat, christophe_c, and kf
07:11 wahanui      Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:11 huginn`      GERMS!!!!
07:08 christophe_c hello #koha
07:05 asaurat      hi
07:05 reiveune     salut dcook magnuse :)
07:04 dcook        allo reiveune :)
07:04 wahanui      hi, reiveune
07:04 reiveune     hello
07:04 dcook        ça va?
07:03 alex_a       bonjour dcook :)
07:02 dcook        hey ya alex_a
06:54 alex_a       hello
06:44 cait         bbl :)
06:32 dcook        (to me :P)
06:32 dcook        Very interesting
06:32 dcook        yeah
06:32 cait         dcook: has to be indexed for those using the item-levle itypes not
06:32 dcook        Or if you use the bib level instead of item level for circ rules, perhaps
06:31 eythian      useful if you have no items, say for an ebook
06:27 dcook        err itype
06:26 dcook        Well, indexed as an itemtype at least
06:26 dcook        I would almost think not
06:26 dcook        I wonder if 942 should be indexed or not..
06:25 dcook        Then mc-itype and itype are equivalent in ccl anyway so that's not really a difference
06:25 dcook        Looks like
06:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1160: FIXED in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1160/
06:24 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
06:24 eythian      so both combined and on its own
06:23 dcook        Intriguing
06:23 dcook        melm 952$y      itype:w,itype:p
06:23 dcook        melm 942$c      itemtype:w,itemtype:p,itype:w,itype:p
06:23 eythian      dunno, I don't know a great deal about zebra guts
06:22 dcook        Good ol' melming and such
06:22 dcook        I guess that depends on..record.abs?
06:22 dcook        As for the item type...
06:22 dcook        Well, I would think 942 and 952 would be be included for an any index
06:22 eythian      yeah, the pref won't affect indexing I think
06:21 cait         not depending on the pref, because that it can't change really
06:21 dcook        But had "ebook" in the 942
06:21 dcook        And it returned results that didn't have items with "ebook"
06:21 cait         i think 942 and itemtype in 952 get indexed together somehow
06:21 dcook        of "ebook"
06:21 dcook        From the advanced search, I was limiting on item type
06:20 dcook        Wait, now that I think about it...
06:20 eythian      it may well do
06:20 dcook        Actually...I wonder if it gets caught up in the "Any" index as well
06:20 dcook        Agreed
06:19 eythian      I probably wouldn't use it without a specific reason
06:19 dcook        So the discrepancies I was seeing must be a filter down effect..
06:19 dcook        Mmm
06:19 eythian      yeah
06:19 rangi        yep
06:19 eythian      somewhere in the sysprefs
06:19 dcook        "item-level_itypes"?
06:19 dcook        Where's that option?
06:18 dcook        Oh?
06:18 dcook        Although it might just be because of bad data in the bib that filtered down to the items..
06:18 eythian      yeah, there's an option to use it instead of the item type on items
06:18 dcook        It was looking like one of the item type limits was using the 942$c
06:18 dcook        Is it used anywhere else?
06:18 dcook        Mmm, right
06:17 eythian      default item type for items
06:17 dcook        FRBR leftover as well?
06:17 dcook        One question I do have though...why do we have an item type stored in the biblioitems table?
06:17 dcook        thanks rangi, eythian :)
05:52 dcook        Makes search quite...different than one would expect
05:52 dcook        It is certainly bad
05:52 * cait       agrees
05:52 eythian      It would probably be bad
05:51 rangi        nope
05:51 dcook        Hmm, any reason why a record might have multiple 942s?
05:51 dcook        Right, and when you make a new bib record, the item type you select goes into the 942$c
05:51 eythian      just one
05:50 dcook        Or just one for the biblioitem..
05:50 dcook        Hmm, should there be a 942 for each item?
05:48 rangi        yep
05:48 cait         bgkriegel++
05:48 cait         horrible to translate, but will be good to see that fixed
05:48 cait         guess lots of the new things will be for the cataloguing plugins
05:47 rangi        was just going to the en-nz terminology files at some point but forgot
05:46 rangi        nope seems ok
05:46 cait         something off with them?
05:45 rangi        yep
05:45 cait         looking at the translations
05:45 rangi        ah never mind
05:45 rangi        hmm druthb_away gone?
05:43 dcook        Well, the item type limits are still formed differently, but the issue is bad data ^_^
05:41 dcook        Mmm bad data me thinks...
05:39 dcook        And in both cases they don't seem to be working right on this 3.8 instance...
05:39 dcook        The item type facet provides a different limit than the item type limit that Advanced Search provides
05:39 dcook        Huh...
05:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #1160 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1158 10 hr ago)
05:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10044 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Doubled up paging on order receive
05:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10070 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Passed QA , History of anonymous searches is not kept
05:14 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Increment version for 3.12.0-beta3 release
05:14 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add release notes for 3.12.0-beta3
05:14 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10044: Remove duplicate pagination on the pending orders page.
05:14 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10070: revert previous changes
05:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #23: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/23/
05:07 trea         o/
05:07 eythian      hi cait
05:06 * cait       waves
05:06 eythian      If not, you fix them with chown.
05:06 eythian      you look whereever your zebra index is going, and make sure all the files have the correct ownership.
05:04 zebran00b    or rather, how do I examine permissions and determine what needs fixing?
04:57 zebran00b    how do I fix permissions?
04:57 cjh          good point rangi
04:57 eythian      and yes, you may have broken permissions.
04:57 zebran00b    ok, this is starting to make more sense
04:57 zebran00b    ah
04:57 eythian      which made it a different command that didn't work
04:57 rangi        and by running it as the other user before, you have probably messed up permissions
04:56 eythian      zebran00b: you missed a 'perl' in the sudo one
04:56 rangi        would make them be the same path
04:56 trea         ^
04:56 cjh          if you are in misc/migration_tools you need to have a ./ before rebuild_zebra.pl, "sudo -u koha ./rebuild_zebra -z -b -a"
04:56 rangi        sudo -u koha ./rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a
04:55 rangi        its not
04:55 zebran00b    but if I don't use the command perl, it doesn't know what to do with a .pl file. Yet alot of the documentation says that should work.
04:55 zebran00b    the path is the same in both cases, in other words
04:55 zebran00b    sorry, my bad; let me rephrase. If I'm in misc/migration_tools, and I type "sudo -u koha rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a" it says command not found. If I do "perl rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a" it works.
04:54 cjh          if ../rebuild_zebra.pl works then you should be able to give the same path to sudo, "sudo -u kohauser ../rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a" (unless you are running this from a script or cron job)
04:53 * wizzyrea   wonders what a pwd on your command line gives you
04:53 cjh          referring*
04:52 cjh          yeah, they are refering to very different paths
04:52 eythian      as you're looking for the same file in two different directories
04:52 eythian      also, even if you remove the '/', that they'd both work doesn't make sense.
04:52 cjh          the / before misc doesnt make sense
04:50 zebran00b    what does it mean that when I run "sudo -u kohauser /misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a" it says "sudo: rebuild_zebra.pl: command not found" but it does work if I use "perl ../rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a"?
04:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #23 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10044 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Doubled up paging on order receive
04:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
04:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations
04:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10101 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , koha-enable error handling
04:34 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Increment version for 3.12.0-beta3 release
04:34 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add release notes for 3.12.0-beta3
04:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10104 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , koha-disable error handling
04:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10144 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , koha-start-zebra error handling
04:34 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10044: Remove duplicate pagination on the pending orders page.
04:34 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9250 - Followup to add koha-*-sip commands to koha-common.xml
04:34 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9250 - [SIGNED-OFF] provide commands to manage the SIP server
04:34 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10041 - Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations
04:34 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10101 - Follwup: fix param check
04:34 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10101 - make koha-enable more robust
04:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10149 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , koha-restart-zebra error handling
04:34 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10104 - Followup: fix param check
04:34 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10104 - make koha-disable more robust
04:34 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10144 - koha-start-zebra error handling
04:34 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10149 - koha-restart-zebra error handling (rewording)
04:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1159: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1159/
04:33 zebran00b    mtj: thx
04:33 mtj          fixed ;)
04:31 mtj          a lazy cut/paste, i assume...
04:31 mtj          ah, yep - thats a small typo
04:30 zebran00b    it still describes both as "old stable version"
04:29 eythian      hmm, perhaps you saw it while it was being updated or something.
04:29 zebran00b    eythian: it was a while ago I installed it, but it described both 3.8 and 3.10 as "old stable" so I wasn't sure if the package was being maintained. Obviously it is :)
04:28 dcook        Screenshots in both the email AND the word doc..
04:28 dcook        Argh
04:28 dcook        [off] "Sorry I realised I should put this stuff in a word doc which is attached"
04:26 eythian      (as in, it's up to date)
04:26 eythian      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- nope
04:23 zebran00b    mtj: I believe I installed the tarball because the wiki entry for the debian package was updated up to 3.8, so it wasn't clear if 3.10 was available via package
04:20 eythian      I want to have koha-common doing a lot of debconf questioning for default settings
04:20 mtj          would be awesome to knock that one off...
04:18 mtj          yep, thats the one
04:17 rangi        but it needs to do some debconf to ask good questions
04:17 rangi        thats mostly what it does
04:16 mtj          ...just add the extra mysql-server pkg, and some script to auto-gen a default 'koha' instance
04:16 rangi        most of the work will be on getting the koha package working
04:16 rangi        the source files are pretty much done now
04:15 mtj          hmm, fixing the koha package shouldnt be too tricky
04:14 eythian      the packages need some cleanup, the koha package ideally be made to work, and all the source should have appropriate copyrights added. Among other things.
04:09 dcook        How would we go about getting Koha into Debian?
04:09 mtj          there must not be many problem deps left, even?
04:09 dcook        2 year cycles? That gives some time
04:09 eythian      yep
04:08 mtj          wheezy has many of the missing perl packages too, afaik
04:07 rangi        we've missed wheezy, but if we get it into unstable .. ubuntu will pick it up in the universe anyway
04:06 mtj          thats about the best idea i've heard all month!
04:06 mtj          rangi++ :)
04:04 rangi        then ubuntu will get it
04:04 rangi        get koha into debian proper
04:04 rangi        and where we should focus our energy for 3.14
04:04 rangi        the real win
04:02 rangi        with a warning
04:02 rangi        http://www.blazingmoon.org/news/2008/12/installing-koha-3-on-ubuntu-810-a-tutorial/  ohh it is slightly updated now
04:01 wahanui      yeah, both of those are scary options
04:01 mtj          yeah, both of those!!
04:01 rangi        which the author refused to update
04:01 rangi        a lot use that blazing moon one
04:01 rangi        s/you//
04:00 rangi        and the many others that you ppl seem to follow
04:00 rangi        mtj: this page is a problem http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/28248116/koha-installation-on-ubuntu
04:00 mtj          zebran00b, i'm genuinely curious….why did you choose a tarball install?
03:58 * jcamins    goes to bed.
03:58 jcamins      And they're following instructions that are five years old.
03:58 jcamins      mtj: I know.
03:58 mtj          jcamins, people still are installing new kohas, using the tarball
03:57 jcamins      Delete the files it installed and clear the crontab.
03:55 zebran00b    jcamins if I reinstall using a deb package, how do I clean out the tarball installation I have now?
03:55 jcamins      New beta is uploaded.
03:55 jcamins      Old betas archived.
03:55 jcamins      Thanks.
03:55 rangi        jcamins: permissions changed
03:54 rangi        and i always link to download.koha-community.org in the release notes anyway
03:54 rangi        yep
03:53 jcamins      I'm all for adjusting the page, but I'd say more than half of the people who run into problems are following a set of instructions someone else wrote five years ago and didn't update.
03:53 dcook        mtj: Sounds reasonable
03:53 mtj          if we want people to use the debs, thats *the* page to tweak
03:52 eythian      it's possible
03:51 mtj          eythian, yeah, but my hunch is people always overlook that, and click the tar.gz link
03:51 jcamins      Why is my upload to download.koha-community.org so slow?
03:51 jcamins      Thank you.
03:50 mtj          jcamins, i'll attempt to ping wiz when shes on next
03:50 eythian      mtj: there's that bit where it links to the packages.
03:49 mtj          ^^ ...thats probably a big reason why noobs are still installing from the tarballs
03:47 jcamins      mtj: you're in the same timezone as someone who has write access to the site. :P
03:46 jcamins      rangi: could you please change the group ownership on the old_releases directory to uploads?
03:46 mtj          fyi, we still are not telling people to use the debs on this page -> http://koha-community.org/download-koha
03:45 mtj          meh, i missed that scrollback :/
03:44 mtj          yeah, it is…. Current stable release: 3.10.5
03:38 eythian      heh
03:38 eythian      you were sleep-RMing the whole time?
03:38 jcamins      ^^ friends don't let friends roll releases at twenty 'til midnight
03:38 jcamins      Oh no! I'm even older than I thought because my birthday is in April!
03:37 jcamins      And the month I missed was April...
03:37 jcamins      I MISSED AN ENTIRE MONTH!
03:37 jcamins      eythian: it is?
03:36 eythian      3.10.05 is the current stable
03:35 jcamins      (in reverse order)
03:35 jcamins      And, yes, exactly.
03:35 jcamins      Why?
03:34 zebran00b    That seems odd.
03:34 zebran00b    if I reinstall 3.10.4 w/ .deb package, the autoindexing settings are baked in?
03:34 mtj          … for both tarball and .debs ^^
03:34 * jcamins    builds beta3 again.
03:33 jcamins      zebran00b: there are packages for 3.10.4 and 3.8.current.
03:33 mtj          zebran00b, current stable is 3.10.4
03:33 jcamins      mtj: they'll go into beta4, then.
03:33 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10084 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , YUI path wrong in CCSR theme with packages
03:33 jcamins      bug 10084
03:33 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10150 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , koha-email-disable error handling
03:33 jcamins      bug 10150
03:32 mtj          10150 and 10084 still need qa, tho
03:32 zebran00b    btw, what version is the deb package at?
03:32 huginn`      zebran00b: downloading the Perl source
03:32 zebran00b    @mtj: I'd rather not just yet. These records worked fine last week and now they don't, would like to nail down the problem in case I just run into it again reinstalling with .deb
03:31 jcamins      Well, you did it, so I'm satisfied. :)
03:31 mtj          jcamins, np - i just got your huginn msg then :)
03:30 mtj          zebran00b - save yourself further pain - reinstall koha via the .deb package
03:30 jcamins      mtj: thanks for QAing those patches, BTW.
03:30 jcamins      Ah, in that case you have larger problems.
03:30 zebran00b    nope
03:30 zebran00b    brb
03:30 mtj          do your records show now?
03:29 mtj          yep
03:29 zebran00b    rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r again?
03:29 mtj          zebran00b, try another reindex...
03:28 jcamins      If they are showing up in the reservoir but not the catalog, the most likely explanation is that step 2 of the import never completed.
03:27 jcamins      And you finished the import process?
03:27 zebran00b    correction, they are showing up in the resevoir
03:26 zebran00b    jcamins I reindexed and then imported a bunch of records, but so far they're not showing up in either the frontend or backend search
03:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #1159 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:23 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
03:23 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations
03:23 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10101 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , koha-enable error handling
03:23 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10104 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , koha-disable error handling
03:23 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9250 - Followup to add koha-*-sip commands to koha-common.xml
03:23 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10144 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , koha-start-zebra error handling
03:23 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9250 - [SIGNED-OFF] provide commands to manage the SIP server
03:23 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10041 - Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations
03:23 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10149 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , koha-restart-zebra error handling
03:23 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10101 - Follwup: fix param check
03:23 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10101 - make koha-enable more robust
03:23 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10104 - Followup: fix param check
03:23 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10104 - make koha-disable more robust
03:23 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10144 - koha-start-zebra error handling
03:23 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10149 - koha-restart-zebra error handling (rewording)
03:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #22: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/22/
03:22 jcamins      eythian: Nice article.
03:18 wahanui      OK, eythian.
03:18 eythian      wahanui: xy problem is http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
03:17 eythian      stop committing things to master, I just did a package build. Now it's out of date.
03:16 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Increment version for 3.12.0-beta3 release <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa69f553eebbe671760cef93d869e24d4dc243a5> / Add release notes for 3.12.0-beta3 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e13ddd4d63d5d9fe33088ffd12c1572ed46ec02>
03:09 jcamins      Yes.
03:09 jcamins      Hey, did I do a beta2?
03:05 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_10044' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=431fcb73b6b58f431d6cd87904fcfb449c952f40> / Bug 10044: Remove duplicate pagination on the pending orders page. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b0b6e32d1462fab10257769c417f014b0819135>
03:03 zebran00b    yeah, they're set in the crontab but weirdly not for the user env
03:03 jcamins      The INSTALL file should give you a hint about that.
03:03 jcamins      zebran00b: you probably need to set the PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF environment variables.
03:02 zebran00b    ack, why am I getting a "Can't locate Koha/DateUtils.pm in @INC" message? I thought I had the paths straightened out...
03:01 jcamins      It removes a comment.
03:01 jcamins      Okay, it does do something.
03:01 eythian      speaking of packages, new master packages uploaded
03:00 jcamins      zebran00b: you mean current working directory? No.
03:00 zebran00b    does it matter if I run the rebuild from /usr/... or from the /home/Koha directory?
02:57 zebran00b    good call
02:57 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10044 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Doubled up paging on order receive
02:57 jcamins      Could someone please test bug 10044 and tell me if it does anything at all?
02:57 wahanui      something is fishy
02:57 jcamins      Or something.
02:57 jcamins      Or create.
02:57 jcamins      You'll have to edit a record after you've rebuilt the index.
02:57 zebran00b    then I'll probably drop to 10
02:56 zebran00b    yeah, that's just so I don't have to wait too long to see if it worked
02:56 jcamins      I recommend 3.
02:56 jcamins      Except 1 minute is probably too frequent.
02:56 jcamins      No, that's right.
02:56 zebran00b    or should that be -r too?
02:56 zebran00b    */1 * * * *  /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null
02:56 zebran00b    so my crontab line now looks like this:'
02:54 zebran00b    alright, let me give this a spin
02:54 jcamins      At least, I think that's why it was written that way.
02:53 jcamins      Originally it was written like that to be faster, but at this point I'm not convinced there is any advantage to it.
02:53 jcamins      Yeah.
02:53 jcamins      Yeah, -r means "rebuild" and -z means "zebraqueue" (i.e. run in cron mode)
02:52 zebran00b    yeah, I noticed bulkimport works differently - it skips Koha?
02:52 jcamins      Anything that directly modifies the database without going through Koha will not be picked up.
02:52 zebran00b    -r, huh? all I've seen before is -a -b -z
02:52 jcamins      Provided you use the staff client and not bulkmarcimport.pl.
02:52 jcamins      Right.
02:52 zebran00b    including if I imported new records, correct?
02:51 jcamins      Every ten minutes it will check if you have modified any records through Koha, and update the indexes.
02:51 zebran00b    after that, if I add new records, it will rebuild by itself?
02:51 jcamins      And you'll have to run it as the Koha user.
02:51 jcamins      With -a -b -r
02:51 jcamins      Right.
02:51 zebran00b    then reindex... you mean calling rebuild_zebra.pl?
02:50 jcamins      In that case, no, it definitely doesn't set it up itself. :)
02:50 zebran00b    save
02:50 zebran00b    ok, so I remove KOHA_USER
02:50 jcamins      Oh, okay.
02:50 zebran00b    it was the tarball
02:50 zebran00b    sorry, my mistake
02:50 zebran00b    perhaps I'm confusing the tarball and package
02:49 jcamins      The INSTALL file is for the tarball installation only.
02:49 zebran00b    and the INSTALL clearly makes you go and set the indexing crontab yourself
02:49 jcamins      In that case, you should not be editing the crontab.
02:49 jcamins      Wait, you used the Debian package?
02:48 zebran00b    well, that's another mystery because I used the Koha 3.10 debian package
02:48 jcamins      So any *new* changes will be picked up.
02:48 jcamins      That's an auto indexer.
02:48 jcamins      No.
02:48 zebran00b    I thought the whole point was it would auto-reindex
02:47 wahanui      packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
02:47 zebran00b    packages?
02:47 jcamins      And you reindexed as the Koha user after making the change, eh?
02:47 jcamins      They're better, always.
02:47 zebran00b    I tried removing the username as well as adding "perl" as if running a perl script
02:47 jcamins      And, just a little plug for the packages: they take care of all this.
02:47 jcamins      Because running crontab -e edits the current user (or, in this case, the Koha user)'s crontab.
02:47 zebran00b    ok... I suspect I actually tried this before, though.
02:47 jcamins      Exactly.
02:46 zebran00b    and save using crontab -e?
02:46 jcamins      Right.
02:46 zebran00b    so, no username whatsoever?
02:46 jcamins      (that was it:)
02:46 jcamins      Remove "__KOHA_USER__ "
02:46 zebran00b    hoorays
02:46 jcamins      Good news, the fix is easy.
02:46 jcamins      That's the user crontab.
02:46 zebran00b    ah
02:46 jcamins      No.
02:46 zebran00b    I edit it using sudo u username crontab -e. Doesn't that save it to the system?
02:45 jcamins      And that's in the system crontab?
02:45 zebran00b    yup
02:45 jcamins      And you have __KOHA_USER__ replaced with the user you want it to run as?
02:45 zebran00b    I've tried changing it to my kohauser name, writing out the whole path, etc. but no dice
02:45 zebran00b    jcamins it doesn't auto-index. The line in my crontab is currently: */10 * * * *  __KOHA_USER__  $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null
02:44 jcamins      zebran00b: what is the problem you have encountered?
02:44 zebran00b    can somebody help with fixing my zebra indexer crontab?
02:44 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'deb_scripts_312beta3' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a3b606d798312a934179767c965e61960d19514> / Bug 9250 - Followup to add koha-*-sip commands to koha-common.xml <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38b1fd99c4e3a2ae3a944c5ba0b17189da3feef5> / Bug 9250 - [SIGNED-OFF] provide commands to manage the SIP server <http://git.koha-commun
02:44 rangi        i think there are 3 three koha- script patches to test, none of them with string changes tho
02:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #22 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:40 jcamins      But not on 3.12.x.
02:40 jcamins      Even after reverting all those patches, encoding on the OPAC search history is broken on master with 10070.
02:40 jcamins      Ugh.
02:35 eythian      my youngest brother is substantially older
02:35 jcamins      cjh: my second-youngest brother is almost that old.
02:34 eythian      jcamins: yeah, I've been too busy to look at them this past couple of weeks, but good to see others have been.
02:32 cjh          jcamins: yeah, I think I need to consider retirement soon. Nearly 22.
02:31 jcamins      Yay! The package patches all look good!
02:30 jcamins      cjh: wouldn't that be nice?
02:29 cjh          jcamins: time to retire?
02:28 * jcamins    feels old.
02:21 amitgupta_   hi bag
02:05 bgkriegel    bye
02:05 bgkriegel    see you tomorrow
02:05 bgkriegel    i will be sleeping
02:05 dcook        Hope to be back in an hour or two
02:05 bgkriegel    ok
02:05 dcook        Ack. Sorry, have to run off to lunch.
02:04 bgkriegel    ok, the esasy way could be implemented right now, the hard...
02:04 dcook        Just saw your email though
02:04 dcook        Just about to head off for lunch
02:03 bgkriegel    dcook: around?
00:14 pastebot     "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "the problem code" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/495
00:13 rangi        leads me to believe they have deleted extended attributes
00:13 rangi        if nothing ever gets pushed
00:13 rangi        which will explode
00:12 rangi        for (my $i; $i< scalar(@$extended_patron_attributes)-1;$i++) {
00:12 rangi        then
00:12 rangi        push @$extended_patron_attributes, { code => $code, value => $borrower{$code} };
00:12 rangi        does
00:12 rangi        that depending on an if
00:12 rangi        then it goes through a loop
00:12 rangi        my $extended_patron_attributes;
00:11 rangi        eg
00:11 rangi        also that code needs better handling
00:08 trea         i'm more inclined to go the ldap route. but i'll double check the action logs as well
00:08 eythian      ldapsearch is good for figuring that out.
00:08 trea         point*
00:08 trea         it's a valid poitn
00:08 eythian      alternately, ldap may have changed.
00:08 eythian      can you look in the actionlogs to see what setting it was that they didn't change?
00:07 rangi        yeah its not config
00:07 trea         i think i have enough info. thanks for your help
00:06 trea         their config hasn't been changed in quite some time, yet it's suddenly stopped working
00:06 trea         that's what i feared
00:06 rangi        nope
00:05 trea         would these patron attributes be defined in the ldap stanza of the koha conf?
00:05 rangi        weird
00:05 trea         so they claim
00:05 rangi        and they didnt change anything, including ldap?
00:04 trea         they currently can't auth anyone by ldap
00:04 trea         they are saying it's all ldap users
00:04 rangi        is it all patrons doing it or just one?
00:03 trea         okay, so after some port forwarding magicks I'm able to get into their intranet, and the extendedpatronattributes syspref is set to "enabled"