Time Nick Message
00:18 dcook Hey ya druthb :)
00:19 druthb Hi, dcook!
00:20 dcook How're things?
00:20 druthb perkin' along! You?
00:22 dcook No complaints here. Working on getting Prosentient's code more in line with the community, so I'm quite pleased ^_^
00:22 dcook [off] Not happy with government departments encouraging poor email security practices though...
00:32 jcamins eythian: yeah, that'd do it too, but since I'm not going to be the one taking on that task, and we're volunteer-driven, NOMAIL seems the more effective option.
00:33 eythian Not really, it would make the S/N ratio even worse.
00:35 jcamins eythian: that assumes that I contribute to the signal more than the noise...
00:36 jcamins It troubles me that my backup of ~5GB of data is taking ages.
00:36 jcamins druthb: I'll probably be asking you to update the strings in Pootle Thursday morning-ish. Sound good?
00:36 druthb Just fine-ish! :D
00:38 jcamins Well- I'll ask you to update the strings tomorrow evening, but it'll be evening so I figure that'll translate to updating Thursday morning.
00:40 bgkriegel jcamins: any chance for bug 6709?
00:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Passed QA , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated.
00:41 jcamins bgkriegel: everything that has passed QA by 6am tomorrow will go in before string freeze.
00:41 jcamins That is, the strings will not be frozen before they go in.
00:42 bgkriegel good :-)
00:43 jcamins ... the world is a weird place.
00:47 dcook bgkriegel: Do you know if any of your changes might impact bug 10141
00:47 dcook ?
00:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10141 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Enable "18-21 Illustrations" and "24-27 Nature of contents" options for marc21_field_008.pl plugin
00:47 jcamins My instinct is "yes, very much."
00:48 bgkriegel looking
00:49 bgkriegel the information in xml is the same, only different structure
00:51 dcook Right. Hmm. I don't know if it will make too much of a difference
00:51 dcook the 18-21 and 24-27 positions will need some sort of option picker rather than a drop-down
00:52 bgkriegel the display is made with JS. the file is fully parsed, all data available. problem is how to show it
00:52 bgkriegel and allow correct selection
00:52 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha bugzilla statistics for April 2013 http://t.co/pY90NbMhFg"
00:53 jcamins Whoah, nice! I failed very few patches!
00:55 jcamins (I consider this a great success)
00:56 dcook bgkriegel: Agreed. Admittedly, I'm not quite sure how that works with the marc21_field_008.pl file :/
00:56 bgkriegel have anyone tried bug 7419. really don't know how to test it (my problem is the syntax)
00:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script
00:57 bgkriegel dcook: all the magic is on marc21_field_008.tt
00:57 jcamins bgkriegel: I would like to test it again, but not recently.
01:00 mtj meh, anyone bumped into 'Batch item modification - Too many items!' before?
01:01 jcamins mtj: wow, how many items?
01:01 bgkriegel dcook: sorry, look at prog/en/js/xmlControlfield.js
01:01 mtj jcamins, well - 5000-ish
01:01 jcamins mtj: huh. That doesn't seem like it should be too many.
01:02 jcamins Oh, wait.
01:02 mtj the full error was...
01:02 jcamins It's not too many items, it's that the list is too large to display.
01:02 jcamins That makes sense.
01:02 mtj Batch item modification - Too many items (5197): not displaying each one individually.
01:02 mtj Return to batch item modification
01:02 dcook bgkriegel: Thanks. Yeah, I'm looking at that on your patch
01:02 dcook I'll have to take another look when I look at making a fix
01:03 mtj no probs for not displaying that giant list - but theres no functionality also :/
01:03 jcamins Hm.
01:03 jcamins I should do a mockup of the "download for offline" screen.
01:05 jcamins mtj: definitely sounds like a bug.
01:05 mtj fyi, 1000 barcodes works - 5000 barcodes doesnt...
01:05 jcamins What would the download for offline screen look like?
01:05 mtj there just be a hardcoded $fail value , somewhere
01:17 mtj hmm, i need a brainslap here
01:18 mtj /tool/batchMod.pl is asking for a tools/batchMod-edit.tmpl file
01:18 mtj which is an obvious bug
01:18 mtj as, there is no tools/batchMod-edit.tmpl anymore
01:19 mtj there is a ./prog/en/modules/tools/batchMod.tt file - but the script never appears to call it ?!
01:19 jcamins .tmpl => .tt
01:19 jcamins Almost all the scripts refer to .tmpl instead of .tt.
01:20 mtj exactly, so where is the magical s/tmpl/tt/ rewrite happening?
01:20 jcamins C4::Templates, presumably.
01:20 jcamins Somewhere, anyway. Those need to get changed eventually, but aren't a bug by themselves.
01:21 mtj ah, ok - i havent spotted that, till now
01:22 mtj thanks
01:22 jcamins You're welcome.
01:26 dcook mtj: That freaked me out the first time I noticed it
01:27 mtj yeah, i have a wtf moment - for sure
01:27 dcook sub gettemplate
01:27 dcook $tmplbase =~ s/\.tmpl$/.tt/;
01:27 dcook in C4::Templates
01:36 eythian wahanui: television is at http://neave.com/television/
01:36 wahanui OK, eythian.
01:43 jcamins Hm. I just thought of a problem with the offline circ the way I was envisioning it.
01:43 jcamins How do you make sure that all the transactions uploaded correctly?
01:45 jcamins (not a rhetorical question)
01:49 dcook It is a good question
01:49 * dcook waves to tcohen
01:49 * jcamins knows. He's the one who posed it. :P
01:58 dcook :P
02:27 jcamins It looks like BibLibre decided to record transactions one at a time.
02:41 jcamins o.O
02:41 jcamins Isn't it a bit late, drojf?
02:41 drojf jcamins: it's early ;)
02:41 jcamins Ah.
02:43 drojf i don't know how to expess my appreciation for the "'automatic' upgrade" thread
02:43 eythian "the sound of one hand clapping"?
02:43 drojf hehe
02:44 wizzyrea can someone explain to me how a biblio with "no images attached" returns a 1px image?
02:44 jcamins wizzyrea: "no image" is a 1px transparent image.
02:44 jcamins At the request of oleonard.
02:44 jcamins It's an accessibility thing, I think.
02:44 wizzyrea ah. is that recent?
02:45 jcamins No.
02:45 wizzyrea good.
02:45 wizzyrea thank you
02:45 jcamins It was implemented within a few days of the original functionality.
02:45 wizzyrea all good. :)
02:48 wizzyrea hi bobb, what did you need?
02:49 BobB hi liz, I am about to send you a document, if you can read and comment will be good, thx :)
02:50 wizzyrea okies :)
02:50 BobB I thought you weren't logged in but you are listed as an operator not a user. My reliance on the alphabetical list tripped me up. :)
02:50 jcamins That reminds me.
02:51 jcamins I have to identify with something to get back my ops bit.
02:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:52 wizzyrea /msg chanserv op #koha jcamins
02:52 wizzyrea ought to do it
02:52 wizzyrea or leave off the nick
02:52 jcamins Yay!
02:52 wizzyrea \o/
02:53 jcamins Ultimate power!
02:53 wizzyrea confetti!
02:53 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
02:53 eythian I for one welcome our new jcamins overlord.
02:53 eythian wahanui: be jcamins
02:53 wahanui Have some fudge.
02:53 eythian wahanui: be zippy
02:54 wahanui Everywhere I look I see NEGATIVITY and ASPHALT ...
02:54 druthb \o/
02:54 druthb wahanui: be druthb
02:54 wahanui Harrumph!
02:54 druthb lol
02:54 wizzyrea be wizzyrea
02:54 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
02:54 trea >.>
02:54 wizzyrea ^.^
02:55 wizzyrea see also: self deprecating
02:55 wizzyrea :)
02:55 eythian better than self depreciating.
02:55 wizzyrea that's what women do, unfortunately
02:57 eythian they do their own accounts, and decrease their own value every year?
02:57 * mtompset grins at eythian.
02:58 wizzyrea I'm going to let you think about that
02:58 wizzyrea perhaps not *self* depreciating.
02:58 mtompset Oops... wrong context. I meant for welcoming jcamins as overlord.
02:58 wizzyrea lol :)
02:58 wizzyrea be eythian
02:58 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
02:58 * wizzyrea nods
02:58 wizzyrea good plan.
02:59 eythian it does sound like a good plan.
02:59 eythian this proposal thing will write itself, right?
02:59 trea definitely
03:00 trea what could go wrong
03:00 bag always does
03:03 wizzyrea if you're the boss the proposals always happen magically.
03:03 wizzyrea ^.^
03:04 mtompset What if you are already married? ;)
03:04 wizzyrea lool
03:04 wizzyrea < really laughed
03:04 eythian (she actually did laugh out loud)
03:05 * mtompset is glad to have created laughter in someone's life. :)
03:05 eythian she is not, however, ROFLMAO'ing
03:05 eythian wahanui: roflmao
03:05 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
03:05 wizzyrea no ma is still attached.
03:06 eythian wahanui: roflmao is <reply>http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/archive/b/bb/20070502222727!Roflmao.jpg
03:06 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:06 mtompset How is your ma? ;P
03:06 * mtompset chuckles at eythian's URL photo.
03:07 wizzyrea roflmao is also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A
03:07 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
04:24 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
05:10 * dcook thoroughly enjoys working with git
05:10 dcook Yay for tracking multiple remote repos :D
05:11 cjh welcome, to the fuuuttuuuurrreee
05:19 dcook Glad to be here ;)
05:19 dcook Apparently my new computer is being built at the moment, so hopefully I should have that sometime in the next few days...just in time for the weekend :D
05:32 bag heya dcook
05:32 dcook allo allo bag
05:32 dcook how's your evening?
05:33 bag going alright
05:33 bag figured out a z3950 import issue that was bothering us all for months and months (it was a test system so not a crazy importance)
05:34 bag the servername in the koha-httpd.conf still had 8080 on it :P
05:34 bag hahahahahahahahaha
05:39 cjh lol
05:42 BobB http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/worlds-first-web-page-recreated-20-years-on-20130501-2irul.html
05:56 eythian hi cait
05:56 cait hi eythian
05:56 bag heya cait
05:57 * dcook waves
05:58 cait lots of people here :)
05:58 eythian wahanui: cait
05:58 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary
05:58 eythian wahanui: cait
05:58 wahanui somebody said cait was qam, not your secretary
05:58 eythian wahanui: cait
05:58 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
05:58 cait heh
05:58 cait it's later than usual today!
05:58 bag HA
05:58 cait we got a holiday today
05:59 cait ts
05:59 cait noone sgned off on bug 10145 *sad*
05:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed
05:59 bag nice what holiday?
05:59 eythian but Koninginnedag was yesterday, and you're in the wrong country anyway
05:59 cait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day
06:00 eythian oh, may day
06:02 cait yeah
06:02 cait may has lots of holidays - 2 more
06:03 bag oh it's not may yet here
06:03 eythian I think we've pretty much run out of holidays until october or so now.
06:05 cait yeah and I still got 4 hours for qa....
06:06 * dcook someday wants to celebrate his birthday (June 24th) in Quebec
06:06 dcook Saint Jean Baptiste day
06:06 dcook Not a holiday in the rest of Canada
06:06 dcook But it's party central in Quebec ;)
06:06 dcook Or so I'm told...
06:06 bag heh
06:07 bag my birthday usually everyone is partied out - Jan 9th
06:07 bag everyone is like oh damn another party!
06:07 bag heh
06:07 bag but paul_p shares the same day
06:09 dcook hehe
06:09 dcook I wonder if anyone has a birthday during Kohacon..
06:09 bag let's nominate rangi
06:09 bag he's a good sport
06:19 * cait passes qa on 9957
06:21 cait i love those binary bug numbers
06:21 cait 10111 - longer time now until the next :)
06:32 * magnuse waves
06:32 cait morning magnuse
06:33 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:33 magnuse and congratulations, comrades!
06:37 dcook Woo! First sign off for May!
06:37 * dcook waves to magnuse
06:39 magnuse dcook++
06:39 magnuse and hiya dcook
06:39 magnuse oh, and cait++ for 4 passed qa in may!
06:39 cait jcamins set a deadline at noon today...
06:39 cait :)
06:40 magnuse oh for patches that change strings?
06:40 magnuse wait, which noon?
06:40 cait my noon, your noon
06:40 cait i already recalculated, 6 am for him I think
06:40 magnuse ah
06:40 cait he sent an emal
06:40 cait email even
06:41 magnuse hm, not to me?
06:42 rangi http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-April/039238.html
06:42 rangi to everybody
06:42 rangi evening all
06:42 cait evening
06:43 magnuse hiya rangi
06:43 magnuse ah, i thought it was sent like yesterday or summat
06:44 magnuse heh piwik reports a visitor to libriotech.no with "netscape 4"
06:45 cait ew
06:46 rangi heh
06:48 dcook Whoa...
06:48 dcook The DSpace JSPUI still has some references to netscape in its code
06:48 dcook I figured it was impossible...
06:48 * dcook hopes it was a bot...
06:49 magnuse yeah, i suspect some kind of foul play :-)
07:14 wizzyrea there is someone named darth_tater in here
07:14 wizzyrea i approve
07:16 dcook cait++
07:17 dcook QA machine!
07:17 dcook Good night everyone. Time for thai!
07:17 wizzyrea glhf
07:23 * cait waves to wizzyrea
07:24 wizzyrea howdy
09:06 magnuse hiya wizzyrea
09:48 AmitG hi all
09:48 AmitG brendan around
09:49 AmitG ?
09:52 magnuse @seen bag
09:52 huginn` magnuse: bag was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 43 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <bag> he's a good sport
09:53 * magnuse suspects brendan of sleeping
09:56 AmitG @seen AmitG
09:56 huginn` AmitG: AmitG was last seen in #koha 7 minutes and 17 seconds ago: <AmitG> ?
09:56 AmitG @seen rangi
09:56 huginn` AmitG: rangi was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <rangi> heh
09:56 AmitG @seen cait
09:56 huginn` AmitG: cait was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: * cait waves to wizzyrea
10:01 jcamins If anyone has any further string changes they want in 3.12, you have THREE MINUTES to get the signed off and QAed.
10:05 jcamins Any patches with string changes that have not passed QA will not be considered for 3.12.
10:05 * jcamins throws a party.
10:14 * magnuse joins in
10:15 jcamins AmitG: if you have a general question, you should just go ahead and ask. If anyone knows the answer, they will answer.
10:17 magnuse @arewethereyet
10:17 huginn` magnuse: YES!
10:17 magnuse um, are you sure huginn`?
10:17 jcamins Hehe.
10:18 magnuse i think gmcharlt can reset that?
10:20 magnuse jcamins: ~3 weeks until you are a free man again?
10:20 jcamins YES!
10:20 magnuse hehe
10:24 * magnuse hopes gmcharlt makes the most of the next 3 weeks...
10:24 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt could you please merge the 6554 reverts branch so that 10070 can be applied to master?
10:24 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
10:50 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_10022' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9aa2e6fd759d3cfc5d582679fe93006adeb6b30d> / Bug 10022 - Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=86511b380f06f4b0f9c6a21332819c9614ac3b59> / Merge branch 'bug_10017' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com
10:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #19 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:10 magnuse bonjour khall
11:10 khall good day magnuse!
11:11 magnuse wassup?
11:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_10111' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d44f03e9fe8ee13053a9633e699346a74f244ae> / Bug 10111 - Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72c95fa1ccd7fadadd5e5b73cf4e1a5623f18f89> / Merge branch 'bug_6709' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h
11:24 jcamins Hey...
11:24 jcamins What's the word for "more" in French?
11:26 * magnuse suspects all the frenchies are sipping pastis at the beach today
11:27 jcamins magnuse: and very sensible indeed to be doing so.
11:27 magnuse yup
11:27 magnuse @wunder marseille
11:27 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on May 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:27 magnuse ooh
11:28 magnuse we should shift the release cycle of koha so the hackfests in marseille can be in may ;-)
11:29 jcamins Hehe.
11:30 magnuse according to google translate: more pastis -> plus de pastis
11:31 jcamins cait says that "More" is translated in the Masthead for her, so I suppose the French translators decided that "More" should be translated "More."
11:31 magnuse hehe
11:33 magnuse i see "More" when i choose norwegian in my master installation - but that could be an incomplete translation
11:34 jcamins Hmm.
11:34 magnuse hm, looks like it *is* translated in the .po file, though...
11:35 jcamins Yeah, that's not so good.
11:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #19: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/19/
11:35 jenkins_koha * Edmund Balnaves: Bug 8264 - local cover images not working in IE8 [ prog ]
11:35 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add Edmund Balnaves to history
11:35 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10153 - Patron header search form is too wide
11:35 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10152: Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl
11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , local cover images not working in IE8
11:35 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10145: The acquisition details block is badly placed.
11:35 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10083 - In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface
11:35 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Fix CSS for right-to-left in CCSR theme
11:35 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Follow up OPAC-CCSR-Right-to-left-css
11:35 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Follow up handling with the multi libraries pref active
11:35 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10022 - Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page
11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10153 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Patron header search form is too wide
11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10152 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl
11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , The acquisition details block is badly placed
11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface
11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10017 normal, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages
11:35 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gimme more!" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/490
11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10022 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page
11:36 magnuse success! \o/
11:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1156 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
11:39 jcamins So, this is not a good thing.
11:39 jcamins Bah.
11:45 jcamins magnuse: ummm... could you please take a screenshot of what I should see when I use the 008 plugin for NORMARC?
11:46 jcamins This is what I see: http://screencast.com/t/cBLQ4sFdsa7
11:47 * magnuse looks
11:48 magnuse yeah, that looks like what i would expect
11:48 jcamins Oh, okay then.
11:48 jcamins 7055 passes.
11:48 magnuse anything in particular you were wondering about?
11:48 magnuse bug 7055
11:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7055 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , NORMARC: Links and defaults for 008 position 15-17 and 35-37
11:48 magnuse w00t!
11:48 jcamins Yeah... the MARC21 008 builder is a lot nicer. :P
11:49 magnuse yeah, i know. modernizing the normarc ones is on my list of things to do
11:49 jcamins As long as it hasn't actually been done, it's fine the way it is.
11:49 magnuse this is what the marc21 builders looked like when i did the normarc ones... :-/
11:51 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_10053' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b38b1d0e1f584c3c2ad66892ec52b64bb9d181e> / Bug 10053: borrowers.branchcode cannot be null <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=09d36cee3c16b14acf0435531d1789486e0a0a44> / Merge branch 'bug_10097' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=209863e5e4c3
12:06 cait hm
12:06 cait i will try with german
12:06 cait sec
12:10 cait welll bit more than a sec.. but I am on it
12:15 jcamins What is it with holds queue related patches?
12:15 jcamins Is there some rule that says "FOR GOODNESS SAKE DON'T PROVIDE A USABLE TEST PLAN"?
12:17 jcamins I don't think I have _ever_ seen a usable test plan on a patch relating to the holds queue.
12:17 jcamins Probably because there's also exactly no documentation whatsoever for anything relating to the holds queue so the test plan writer is forced to make it up as s/he goes along.
12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
12:21 jcamins Hello.
12:21 jcamins The final string freeze is nigh!
12:25 oleonard *yawns* orry, I was up all night doing unauthorized Koha upgrades
12:25 jcamins lol
12:26 jcamins Hey...
12:26 jcamins didn't xkcd do a comic about that?
12:31 cait oleonard++
12:31 cait jcamins: tell me what you need help with, I will write you up one
12:32 cait and there was a usable one on the bug, sorry if I forgot to copy it
12:32 jcamins cait: I figured it out.
12:32 jcamins build_holds_queue.pl does not take any arguments.
12:32 cait jcamins: Mehr definitely translates for me
12:33 jcamins Yay! No bug!
12:33 cait i used the newest pos the newest whatsoevermaster..
12:33 cait hm
12:33 cait I should probably be using 3.12.
12:33 cait i can redo it
12:33 jcamins No, my problem was on master and 3.12 both.
12:34 cait oh good
12:34 cait i get it master and 3.12 are different becuse of the encoding patches?
12:34 jcamins Yup.
12:35 jcamins Not with that particular problem I'm encountering, though.
12:35 cait but gmcharlt wanted to do something abou tthat?
12:35 jcamins Yeah, he has a branch with reverts, but I'm not 100% sure how to merge it.
12:38 jcamins Where do you set the length of time reading history is kept?
12:42 oleonard I think it's kept forever, managed by the patron, or cleared manually
12:42 cait jcamins: there is also opacprivacy and a cronjob involved I think
12:45 jcamins That's what I was missing.
12:45 jcamins The cron job.
12:45 wahanui i guess the cron job is only needed for *new* records.
12:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1156: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1156/
12:46 jenkins_koha * Edmund Balnaves: Bug 8264 - local cover images not working in IE8 [ prog ]
12:46 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add Edmund Balnaves to history
12:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10153 - Patron header search form is too wide
12:46 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10152: Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , local cover images not working in IE8
12:46 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10145: The acquisition details block is badly placed.
12:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10083 - In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface
12:46 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Fix CSS for right-to-left in CCSR theme
12:46 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Follow up OPAC-CCSR-Right-to-left-css
12:46 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Follow up handling with the multi libraries pref active
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10153 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Patron header search form is too wide
12:46 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10022 - Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page
12:46 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10143 - Fixing license headers
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10152 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl
12:46 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6709 : Patch for testing translating .xml files
12:46 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 6709 - marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated
12:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10111 - Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , The acquisition details block is badly placed
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10017 normal, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10022 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10143 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Fix FSF address in license headers
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated.
12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10111 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent
12:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #20 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:53 jcamins Okay, the only patches left are packaging script-related.
12:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_6506' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dd368e2c83ceb90fda622fbbd669ef0e6783656> / Bug 6506: Correct CSS class name. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=79ea900b2c47caa71e995fa35d65e1a5c78d3a6d> / Bug 6506: When AnonymousPatron not set, deletion of issue history silently failed. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
12:55 jcamins YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
12:55 jcamins confetti
12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
12:55 jcamins confetti
12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
12:55 jcamins confetti
12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
12:55 jcamins confetti
12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
12:55 jcamins confetti
12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
12:55 jcamins confetti
12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
12:56 jcamins :D
12:56 marcelr jcamins++
12:56 jcamins As you may have gathered, Koha is in string freeze for 3.12.
12:57 cait :)
13:01 jcamins @later tell mtj When you are QAing next, do you think you could start with bug 10150?
13:01 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:02 marcelr and bug 10084 ?
13:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10084 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , YUI path wrong in CCSR theme with packages
13:02 jcamins @later tell mtj Oh, and while you're working on packages, could you look at 10084, too?
13:02 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:02 jcamins marcelr: thanks.
13:09 tcohen OFTC keeps pulling me out because "no ident" stuff
13:10 jcamins I need to roll another beta, I think.
13:10 jcamins Or should I call it a "Release Candidate"?
13:10 tcohen we'll all be glad
13:10 jcamins tcohen: your error handling patches will be going in.
13:10 tcohen oh, thats great jcamins
13:11 jcamins I need to leave in about forty-five minutes, so I don't have time to do all the testing this morning, but they're not being ignored because I'm bumping them. :)
13:11 tcohen how many rc do u plan to have?
13:11 jcamins Well, if I start calling them Release Candidates now... four?
13:12 tcohen maybe one more beta then?
13:12 jcamins Yeah, that's why I was thinking it was a beta.
13:12 jcamins But then I thought "hey, wait, now that we're in string freeze if no other patches were submitted, I'd release it as-is."
13:12 jcamins :)
13:12 tcohen those error handling patches are going in in this beta?
13:12 jcamins Yeah.
13:13 jcamins I won't be building the beta until tonight.
13:13 tcohen ok, i'll do extensive tests on that then
13:14 tcohen if you have a minute i can give you what i got for tab-completion so u enjoy testing :-P
13:14 tcohen and then spend 44 minutes on that releasing task
13:15 jcamins Hehe.
13:15 jcamins Right now I'm working on release notes, and I'll be doing the testing and releasing tonight. :)
13:15 cait :)
13:16 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tab-completion, so far" (179 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/491
13:16 druthb o/ :)
13:17 jcamins tcohen: so how does that work? I can just include that in .profile?
13:18 tcohen you need the bash-completion package
13:18 tcohen and put it in /etc/bash_completion.d
13:18 tcohen or, for testing purposes, bash koha
13:18 tcohen and the completion will work on that shell
13:18 tcohen note that koha-enable completion relies on a patch for koha-list that hasn't been pushed yet
13:19 tcohen (that adds the --disabled switch)
13:19 jcamins Nice!
13:19 tcohen if you grep complete koha
13:19 tcohen you'll see what completions are already done
13:20 tcohen i learned that i should love Perl a lot more now that i've been working a bit with bash
13:21 cait :)
13:21 jcamins lol
13:22 tcohen the code looks a lot ad-hoc because i couldnt manage to pass associative arrays as reference without loosing the keys!
13:22 tcohen (the folks at #bash aren't as responsive as we are at all)
13:24 jcamins Hm.
13:24 jcamins I think the release notes auto-generator did not work right.
13:24 tcohen ouch
13:25 jcamins Ooh, I bet I know what it was.
13:26 jcamins Yeah, we specified that only 4-digit bugs were allowed.
13:26 oleonard We figured they'd all be fixed before 10000.
13:26 cait heh :)
13:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #20: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/20/
13:26 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10143 - Fixing license headers
13:26 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6709 : Patch for testing translating .xml files
13:26 oleonard 9999, aaaaand... we're done.
13:26 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 6709 - marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated
13:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10111 - Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent
13:26 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143 Followup for some new developers on about page
13:26 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish
13:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10143 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Fix FSF address in license headers
13:26 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 7143: Add missing contributor to about page
13:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9266 - Untranslated strings in tags moderation
13:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated.
13:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9957 - Missing cancel link on subfield editing page
13:26 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9719 - Changing the rows per page on a custom report fails if it has user supplied parameters
13:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10111 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent
13:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10097 - Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records
13:26 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10053: borrowers.branchcode cannot be null
13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9266 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Untranslated strings in tags moderation
13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page
13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9719 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Changing the rows per page on a custom report fails if it has user supplied parameters
13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10097 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records
13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10053 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , borrowers.branchcode cannot be null
13:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #1157 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:31 jcamins What beta are we up to?
13:32 jcamins 21 features, 158 enhancements, 393 bugfixes.
13:32 jcamins So far.
13:33 druthb jcamins++
13:33 cait jcamins++
13:35 tcohen jcamins++
14:01 bgkriegel jcamins++
14:14 oleonard The goal of consistent indentation in the templates is at odds with the potential desire of some to keep line lengths reasonable.
14:17 * oleonard votes for potentially long line lengths, personally
14:18 * cait votes for artistic indenting
14:18 cait :)
14:26 oleonard cait: You want each template to indent in the profile of a famous sculpture?
14:26 cait oleonard: doesn't that sound nice? :)
14:27 tcohen should we care of translated templates too?
14:27 cait oh right, translations will mess it all up
14:31 tcohen we could do it better, if anyone had the tiem for it of course
14:31 tcohen maybe is not an issue at all
14:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1157: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1157/
14:36 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143 Followup for some new developers on about page
14:36 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish
14:36 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 7143: Add missing contributor to about page
14:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9266 - Untranslated strings in tags moderation
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
14:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9957 - Missing cancel link on subfield editing page
14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9719 - Changing the rows per page on a custom report fails if it has user supplied parameters
14:36 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10097 - Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records
14:36 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10053: borrowers.branchcode cannot be null
14:36 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 7055 - NORMARC: Fix 008 position 15-17 and 35-37
14:36 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 7054 - NORMARC: Fix default for 000 position 17
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9266 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Untranslated strings in tags moderation
14:36 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8300: Add mechanized unit test for batch import
14:36 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 8300 - Add Test::WWW::Mechanize as an optional dependency
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page
14:36 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Small typo in history.txt
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9719 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Changing the rows per page on a custom report fails if it has user supplied parameters
14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8419 - Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue
14:36 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10033 - dangerous query in _koha_modify_item
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10097 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records
14:36 jenkins_koha * Christophe Croullebois: Bug 7228: can't add items in an order with Modify
14:36 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 6506: Followup add warning in the system information tab.
14:36 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 6506: When AnonymousPatron not set, deletion of issue history silently failed.
14:36 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 6506: Correct CSS class name.
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10053 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , borrowers.branchcode cannot be null
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7055 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , NORMARC: Links and defaults for 008 position 15-17 and 35-37
14:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #21 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7054 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , NORMARC: wrong default for 000 position 17
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should have mechanized testing suite
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8419 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10033 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , dangerous query in _koha_modify_item
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , deleting patron history missing errors
15:00 oleonard Something is wrong with this picture: http://screencast.com/t/qSnse1KA
15:01 cait lots of yellow?
15:01 cait 1 out of 1 what?
15:01 cait oh
15:01 cait i am confused
15:02 cait which screen is that?
15:02 oleonard Placing multiple holds in the OPAC
15:02 cait ah
15:02 cait i see
15:02 cait wasn't there a bug for that smewhere?
15:02 oleonard It says "none of these items can be placed on hold," but the 2nd one looks available to me
15:02 cait that some block all?
15:04 oleonard Bug 4249 is for the staff client--different issue I think.
15:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4249 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't place hold if one item not avail for hold
15:04 cait hm
15:04 oleonard Is that a duplicate of Bug 7703?
15:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7703 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Don't block bulk hold action on search results if some items can't be placed on hold
15:04 cait holds... i always get a bit lost there
15:06 oleonard Too bad 7703 didn't get a follow-up before the string freeze.
15:06 cait yeah
15:07 cait maybe he missed it
15:10 rambutan @seen jcamins
15:11 rambutan @seen cait
15:11 huginn` rambutan: cait was last seen in #koha 4 minutes and 0 seconds ago: <cait> maybe he missed it
15:11 rambutan @seen jcamins
15:11 cait i am here
15:11 huginn` rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jcamins> So far.
15:11 rambutan yea, huginn was being slow
15:12 cait so i was just a test?
15:16 druthb wahanui: be cait
15:16 wahanui hmpf.
15:16 druthb heh
15:16 druthb wahanui: be rambutan
15:16 wahanui druthb: i'm not following you...
15:16 druthb :P
15:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #21: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/21/
15:16 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 7055 - NORMARC: Fix 008 position 15-17 and 35-37
15:16 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 7054 - NORMARC: Fix default for 000 position 17
15:16 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8300: Add mechanized unit test for batch import
15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7055 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , NORMARC: Links and defaults for 008 position 15-17 and 35-37
15:16 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 8300 - Add Test::WWW::Mechanize as an optional dependency
15:16 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Small typo in history.txt
15:16 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8419 - Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue
15:16 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10033 - dangerous query in _koha_modify_item
15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7054 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , NORMARC: wrong default for 000 position 17
15:16 jenkins_koha * Christophe Croullebois: Bug 7228: can't add items in an order with Modify
15:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 6506: Followup add warning in the system information tab.
15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should have mechanized testing suite
15:16 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 6506: When AnonymousPatron not set, deletion of issue history silently failed.
15:16 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 6506: Correct CSS class name.
15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus
15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8419 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue
15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10033 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , dangerous query in _koha_modify_item
15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file
15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , deleting patron history missing errors
15:16 druthb wahanui: be bag
15:16 wahanui druthb: what?
15:17 rambutan big bad bag?
15:18 druthb wahanui: be druthb
15:18 wahanui Harrumph!
15:29 gmcharlt @quote random
15:29 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 01:11 PM, May 18, 2010)
15:35 oleonard @quote random
15:35 huginn` oleonard: Quote #87: "<wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing" (added by chris_n at 07:26 PM, July 29, 2010)
15:37 druthb @quote random
15:37 huginn` druthb: Quote #137: "sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC" (added by cait at 06:40 PM, May 26, 2011)
16:02 maximep just took me a year to send patch for bug 7498. Better late than never, I guess
16:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Cloning a budget, enable change of description
16:02 cait only sad thing about that is
16:02 cait that now I will wistfully long for it 6 months
16:02 cait :)
16:02 cait or longer
16:02 cait depending on when we upgrade our customers heh
16:02 maximep oh. yeah, right
16:02 maximep :/
16:03 cait i am still very happy you did it :)
16:25 rambutan @seen sekjal
16:25 huginn` rambutan: sekjal was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 40 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <sekjal> drojf: agreed
16:26 oleonard @seen pianohacker
16:26 huginn` oleonard: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 1 year, 30 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 14 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <pianohacker> That's always nice, when other people have a higher opinion of our skills than we do
16:44 rambutan wahanui: archives?
16:44 wahanui rambutan: i don't know
16:45 rambutan wahanui: archive?
16:45 wahanui well, archive is missing i work to restore the access
16:46 oleonard What kind of archives rambutan?
16:47 rambutan irc logs, but found it
16:47 rambutan google is getting fairly good at finding koha stuff, better than like a couple of years ago
16:53 jcamins logs?
16:53 wahanui it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
16:56 rambutan @seen kados
16:56 huginn` rambutan: I have not seen kados.
16:59 rambutan It's interesting to look at old logs and see the personalities involved w/ Koha years ago
16:59 druthb @seen jdavidb
16:59 huginn` druthb: jdavidb was last seen in #koha 1 year, 24 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 1 minute, and 31 seconds ago: <jdavidb> I'm just here to confuse you.
17:01 rambutan owen, chris and kados go way back
17:01 rambutan who was toykeeper I wonder?
17:01 oleonard Hooray for those of us who didn't flame out and crap up the place
17:02 jcamins Hehe.
17:02 rambutan @seen rach
17:02 huginn` rambutan: rach was last seen in #koha 2 years, 25 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes, and 1 second ago: <rach> Cool paul
17:02 bag oleonard++
17:02 oleonard rach is a Katipo person
17:03 rambutan yea, I think she was the one that did the Koha logo, right?
17:03 bag yup
17:03 rambutan too back huginn can't tell a "first seen" date
17:04 jcamins The logs can.
17:04 rambutan how? other than just manually searching?
17:04 jcamins I was first seen in '06, but then I left the country and didn't come back until '09.
17:04 jcamins Yeah.
17:05 cait i was later :)
17:05 bag I don't think I ever logged into IRC until '08
17:06 rambutan hummm, I was thinking I saw "brendan" earlier than that
17:06 bag started koha with 2.2
17:07 bag well using it (that is)
17:08 rambutan paul goes way back too
17:11 rambutan acty has picked up too, some days back in 2005 only have 15-20 lines in them for the whole day
17:12 oleonard Lots more regular lurkers these days, which I don't really understand.
17:12 rambutan thd used to be an active participant
17:12 oleonard Hey lurkers, why are you here?
17:12 * druthb lurks
17:12 * oleonard hopes we provide the lurkers with their daily requirement of Koha talk
17:13 * jcamins would be a lurker, except he talks too much.
17:13 druthb lulz
17:13 oleonard druthb: You don't count as a lurker :P
17:13 druthb :P
17:13 rambutan lots of extensive French (language) in the old days too
17:14 druthb @seen rhcl
17:14 huginn` druthb: rhcl was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <rhcl> #info Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, St. Joseph, MO
17:15 rambutan I've taken to only using that nick when I represent the library, like in meetings
17:15 rambutan I use "mustard" when I want to say something and I don't want anybody to know who is reallly saying it
17:16 oleonard rambutan: You cover is pretty well blown.
17:18 rambutan No, I still have one super-secret nick left.
17:19 maximep I say we should go back to usign french :p
17:20 rambutan works for me, I speak google
17:20 * druthb ne parle pas français.
17:20 maximep ok, allons-y !
17:20 * senator reste immergé
17:21 rambutan oooh, a new player at the table!
17:22 senator nah, i was just saying "still lurking" :-)
17:30 maximep hmm I didn't understand the translation "immergé" for lurking :S
17:30 maximep 10 mins later
17:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:36 mtompset Woo hoo! I found the bug in my integration of the shib patch.
17:36 mtompset I was almost getting motivated to re-write auth from scratch.
17:37 jcamins mtompset: just make sure you write unit tests.
17:37 mtompset I know. Especially with enhancements.
17:37 jcamins mtompset: any changes to Auth require unit tests.
17:37 jcamins #evergreen is voting on the RM using meetbot's vote functionality. So everyone is saying "Vote yes."
17:38 * jcamins hopes someone interpolates "Will somebody open up a window."
17:38 mtompset Just to clarify: Does that mean I have to get a CAS server, LDAP server and all the existing authentication methods working too? Or just tests for the enhancement?
17:40 jcamins mtompset: you have to write unit tests for any code that you are changing.
17:40 jcamins So if you don't touch CAS, you don't need to write a unit test.
17:40 jcamins (etc.)
17:41 jcamins But if you change an existing API, you need to write a unit test to show that it still works.
17:42 mtompset No API changes, just a couple template tweaks, add a file, tweak Auth, and then add some sysprefs.
17:43 mtompset I'll be very methodical in documenting the testing I do to prove it works.
17:44 jcamins It the changes in auth are slight, no additional unit tests will be needed for the existing routines.
17:44 mtompset insertion of logic, and modification of an ||
17:45 mtompset I don't think it's huge, but I'll document it to hell.
17:45 jcamins Probably no need for additional unit tests (but the new code needs unit tests, still, of course).
17:47 mtompset And when you say unit tests you mean some t/something.t test?
17:48 jcamins Right.
17:48 jcamins Or t/db_dependent/something.t if you can't make it work without a configuration.
17:50 mtompset since sysprefs are required, then the db_dependent is probably what I need, right?
17:51 jcamins Mmmm...
17:51 jcamins ideally not.
17:51 jcamins You can "mock" the database access.
17:51 jcamins Take a look at...
17:51 jcamins t/db_dependent/Search.t or t/Items.t (or t/ItemTypes.t, or something like that).
17:52 jcamins Oh! t/DateUtils.t.
17:52 jcamins That one is probably easier to understand.
17:53 mtompset Thanks for the feedback. Let's say I finish getting this patch ready before Koha PI is released, might it make it in?
17:54 mtompset (or would it go into the next one?)
17:54 jcamins If it's done before the feature freeze, it might get in, certainly.
17:54 jcamins gmcharlt can speak to when that is.
17:54 jcamins Probably six months from March 22.
17:54 jcamins -ish
17:55 mtompset So, I have ~4 months left (to be on the safe-side)?
17:55 cait less
17:55 jcamins Less.
17:55 jcamins Definitely less.
17:55 cait it will need a sign off and qa
17:55 gmcharlt mtompset: and fair warning, the testing bar for auth code is going to be high
17:55 cait so calculate a lot of time for that
17:55 cait ideally find someone committed to test your code once it's ready
17:55 gmcharlt as would be the case for anything that touches deep routines
17:55 jcamins You want to make sure that there's plenty of time for testing.
17:57 mtompset gmcharlt: I totally understand, since it is such a core routine.
17:57 mtompset ^routine^module^
18:02 magnuse @arewethereyet
18:02 huginn` magnuse: YES!
18:03 magnuse hm
18:07 druthb wahanui: botsnack this_boring_trainer
18:07 wahanui thanks druthb :)
18:09 mtompset BTW, greetings cait jcamins gmcharlt druthb magnuse. :)
18:11 druthb greetings, mtompset! :D
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18:16 jcamins gmcharlt: I have a question about the 6554 revert branch: what needs to be done with it?
18:16 gmcharlt jcamins: I'm going to run a final check, then push it
18:16 jcamins Thanks.
18:17 jcamins Tonight I'll be doing some packaging tests and cutting another beta -- whichever beta it happens that we are on -- and I'd like to include 10070.
18:19 jcamins I guess probably we're on beta3 since I increment the 100 place of the patch version number for each beta.
18:20 jcamins Hmm... maybe.
18:21 oleonard I find that if you try to place multiple holds in the OPAC on a set of titles which includes one with no items you get a nasty error
18:21 jcamins oleonard: that's not good.
18:24 oleonard Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at C4/Items.pm line 1398.
18:25 * magnuse thinks it is beta3 too
18:25 jcamins oleonard: yeah, I see the problem.
18:27 jcamins The if is missing " && $record->field('773')".
18:27 jcamins (and parentheses)
18:28 jcamins And the elsif should have ... && $record->field('461')
18:29 cait what's 461?
18:29 jcamins UNIMARC.
18:29 wahanui unimarc is, like, http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
18:29 cait analytics?
18:29 wahanui the 773$w field contains the value of the 001 field of the parent record. Also, MARC sucks.
18:30 jcamins Yeah.
18:30 jcamins Well- I presume.
18:34 jcamins [off] Seriously? AUTOCAT has devolved to a discussion of whether there should be a "Dislike" button on Facebook.
18:37 oleonard Yeah, we never get off topic he--OOH KITTIES!
18:37 cait i thought cookies?
18:40 oleonard We don't discriminate against distractions here. All distractions are welcome.
18:40 * cait tries to remember how to build packages
18:41 jcamins oleonard: but we stick to relatively brief distractions.
18:41 jcamins Not 10k-word screeds.
18:41 oleonard Uh... yeah, I'll say.
18:43 jcamins And generally on IRC.
18:50 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'origin/new/bug6554_reverts' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=308237541beee0672855b43dcab34b1fed40b301>
18:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #1158 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:58 cait gmcharlt++
19:02 jcamins cait++
19:02 druthb cait++
19:04 oleonard Bug 10166-- String freeze safe!
19:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable
19:11 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Like this jcamins?" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/492
19:12 oleonard No apparently not
19:15 bgk oleonard: is there a precedence order between && and ||?
19:17 jcamins oleonard: I don't see any problem with that.
19:18 cait hm fingers crossed packages will build
19:19 oleonard The only change in the error message is to the line number
19:21 jcamins oleonard: oh, wait, I think I see.
19:21 jcamins Add "return unless $record" before the if.
19:22 cait oleonard++ jcamins++
19:23 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Like this jcamins?" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/493
19:24 druthb cait: http://katrin.you.are.mighty.aninote.com/
19:24 cait ?
19:25 jcamins Yes.
19:25 jcamins Does it fix the problem?
19:25 cait druthb?
19:25 wahanui druthb is our translation manager for 3.12
19:25 cait druthb?
19:25 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
19:25 druthb cait?
19:25 wahanui well, cait is qam, not your secretary
19:25 cait ;)
19:25 druthb clix the link?
19:26 cait what do you think?
19:28 cait :)
19:29 druthb :)
19:30 druthb That made the rounds at our office this week.
19:30 druthb Just substitute a name for "katrin" in the link, and it Just Works.
19:31 mtompset Nice link.
19:33 cait jcamins: should buliding database of manual pages take so long?
19:33 oleonard jcamins: Fixes the error and exposes another problem :|
19:35 jcamins cait: I don't know. It takes a long time.
19:35 jcamins oleonard: eww. :(
19:35 cait ok
19:35 cait i will wait
19:36 mtompset -- hate when that happens.
19:36 cait oh it's moving again
19:47 cait morning kathryn
19:47 kathryn hiya cait :)
19:59 oleonard I filed Bug 10169 and attached a patch with the work so far (all courtesy jcamins). Where to go next is beyond me.
19:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10169 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Software error if one of multiple titles selected for hold in the OPAC has no items
20:01 jcamins It could be that the fix doesn't work.
20:02 cait :(
20:02 cait i only got a tar.gz
20:02 cait but not a deb
20:02 jcamins cait: did it fail?
20:02 cait not that I can see
20:03 jcamins In that case, do a search for .deb files.
20:03 jcamins They get put in weird places.
20:03 cait hm how?
20:07 gcb Is there a way to delete all authorities with 0 biblios attached to it? Running 3.10.5 debian-common...
20:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1158: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1158/
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 9951: Followup for tools/viewlog.pl"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 9951: Followup for Tools"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 10019: Fix for userid containing UTF8 chars"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 10074: QA Followup for InstallAuth.pm"
20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9951 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems where script parameters are not decoded
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 10074 - Encoding problems for installer"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 10074 - Encoding problems at login time"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554 Fix error caused by modifying $_ in a map"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554 - make Koha internally utf-8 clean"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554 QA Followup"
20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10019 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Encoding problem with utf8 chars in userid
20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10074 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Encoding problems for login and installer
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554: Followup for serial search"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554: Followup for acquisitions"
20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554: Followup for preferences.pl"
20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554 Followup for circulation patron search"
20:13 oleonard Bye #koha
20:15 cait bye oleonard
20:17 gcb Is there a way to delete all authorities with "0 biblios" attached to it? Running 3.10.5 debian koha-common...
21:19 jcamins cab_vinton++
21:28 phasefx if I want to add New York Times Reviews to added content from Syndetics, I would augment $review_sources and for my $available_type in C4/External/Syndetics.pm, and would that be enough?
21:29 rangi at a guess, i think so
21:29 * phasefx dares it; thanks :-)
21:32 wizzyrea phasefx: that might not be strictly legal.
21:32 jcamins wizzyrea: why not?
21:32 wizzyrea you could also use something like idreambooks
21:32 jcamins Oh.
21:33 jcamins wizzyrea: I think syndetics sells NYT reviews.
21:33 rangi *nod*
21:33 wizzyrea never mind then.
21:33 rangi morning
21:33 * wizzyrea doesn't keep on track of the entire range of what syndetics has
21:34 jcamins I think they did some press release about reviews recently.
21:36 phasefx it's going to take me a bit of time to ramp up a test environment, etc. being a Koha newbie, but if this is something that should go into master, I'll share. I still owe you guys a test script for another bug :(
21:39 rangi phasefx: the easiest way is to install via the debian packages
21:39 rangi then use the gitofy script
21:40 jcamins The best way to install is via the Debian packages.
21:40 jcamins And I've heard very cool things about gitify.
21:40 phasefx roger that, thanks
21:40 wizzyrea your favorite koha feature, go
21:40 jcamins Mine?
21:40 wahanui Mine is very good at reminding me of druthb's place on the food chain.
21:40 jcamins Ummm...
21:41 jcamins hmm.
21:41 wizzyrea everybody.
21:41 wahanui hmmm... everybody is so enthusiastic today :)
21:41 * druthb tilts her head quizzically.
21:41 jcamins That's a good question.
21:42 rangi https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
21:42 wizzyrea ^ is pretty slick
21:42 rangi persistent urls wizzyrea
21:43 jcamins Oh, are we including the absence of anti-features in our definition of feature?
21:43 wizzyrea yep
21:43 wizzyrea I like that one rangi
21:44 jcamins The way there's just *Koha*. When someone says "but I don't need Acquisitions," I can say "that's great, but you know what? If you change your mind, you have it in your back pocket!"
21:45 * jcamins got to give that speech a few days ago.
22:10 wizzyrea did you guys see the thing where facebook has backed away from html5, opting instead to focus on their mobile apps?
22:12 wizzyrea http://au.businessinsider.com/betting-1-billion-on-instagram-facebooks-backs-away-from-html5-2012-4
22:12 wizzyrea http://mashable.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-post-ipo-interview/
22:13 rangi unsuprising
22:14 rangi don answered that :)
22:15 rangi FB is more concerned with controlling you. They probably find an open platform doesn't allow that so much. Apple has a similar approach. It has broken Safari on its mobile devices because it prefers that you pay them to use apps to use the internet.
22:15 cjh :(
22:16 wizzyrea of course they want to control you. The speed thing is a problem though.
22:17 cjh with FB you are the product.
22:17 wizzyrea with anything on the internet you use for free, you are the product.
22:17 wizzyrea which means... everything.
22:17 jcamins Also most things you pay for.
22:18 wizzyrea certainly anything you don't pay a lot for.
22:18 rangi Apps built in HTML5 can be much slower than apps built in native iOS and Android code.
22:18 rangi the keyword is CAN
22:19 ibeardslee you are the product with koha? ;)
22:20 rangi and to say that instagram succeeded because FB photo app was slow is bollocks too
22:20 wizzyrea if you're using amazon images you are
22:20 wizzyrea no filters on facebook :P
22:20 wizzyrea lulz.
22:22 ibeardslee instagram succeeded because it was for the hipster iphone users not the common facebook users
22:22 rangi yeah
22:22 jcamins ibeardslee: no, the patrons are.
22:22 rangi facebook is on the downslide now anyway
22:23 cjh jcamins: although as developers, we are also part of the product :)
22:23 ibeardslee so much of success is the right place at the right time with the right product targeting (even if accidently) the right people
22:23 jcamins cjh: good point.
22:24 BobB good morning all
22:24 cjh morning BobB
22:35 eythian hi
22:35 wahanui hi, eythian
22:35 trea o/
22:37 eythian wahanui: gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
22:37 wahanui OK, eythian.
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22:54 mtompset Have great day (24 hour period), everyone.
22:54 wizzyrea hey that's a nice tweet
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23:03 eythian wahanui: are you there?
23:03 wahanui no idea, eythian
23:04 eythian hmm weird. Our internet is just partially down
23:07 jcamins Which part?
23:07 wahanui Which part is probably not right for you
23:07 eythian I don't know
23:07 eythian half my IRC has gone
23:07 eythian but this is still working
23:08 cjh I still have ssh access out to my server, but no dns or pings seem to be going anywhere
23:08 trea yep
23:08 eythian some routes are failing apparently
23:08 cjh and were back
23:09 cjh s/were/we are/
23:10 jcamins eythian: so... it was the productive parts that were down.
23:11 eythian s/we are/we're/
23:11 eythian jcamins: pretty much, yes :)
23:11 eythian oh, and IPv6 remained up, that'll be why I remained connected to here
23:19 eythian wahanui: ping
23:19 wahanui eythian: what?
23:22 eythian wahanui: ping is <reply>Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658
23:22 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:33 trea any thoughts as to why i'd be seeing "Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 181, <DATA> line 466." when i try to login to the opac with an ldap user?
23:34 rangi my $attr=$extended_patron_attributes->[$i]; unless (C4::Members::Attributes::CheckUniqueness($attr->{code}, $attr->{value}, $borrowernumber))
23:34 rangi $attr will be undefined
23:34 rangi is my guess
23:35 trea mmm
23:35 jcamins Actually, based on that snippet, I think the problem is that you have extended patron attributes turned off.
23:36 eythian yeah, $attr would be an error about hash references.
23:38 dcook morning #koha
23:39 cjh trea: which branch is this on?
23:39 trea sorry, which codebase? it's a 3.8.5 site
23:40 cjh ok, then it is the unless line. in current master it was the following line.
23:40 cjh so rangi's guess is solid :)
23:40 rangi cjh: line numbers aren't absolute
23:40 rangi the unless block is one line
23:41 rangi so the unshift line, altho being 181
23:41 trea doesn't explain why it was able to auth at one point, then magically stopped.
23:41 rangi did someone turn off extended attributes
23:41 rangi or delete them
23:41 trea perhaps. i'll have to find out
23:41 trea as much as i'd like to get in an see, they've restricted access to the intranet
23:42 rangi ah, we'd bill them for that :)
23:42 trea so it will have to wait till i have a response via email
23:42 eythian wahanui: magic
23:42 wahanui eythian: huh?
23:42 eythian wahanui: magic is <reply>http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
23:42 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:45 cjh I want a magic kill switch.
23:48 trea reminds me of the time we crashed a dodgy computer by plugging in a pair of headphones
23:49 trea it causes just enough of a dip in the power supply that the box crashed