Time Nick Message 23:54 eythian jcamins: maybe we just need people to be a bit more active about keeping it on-topic. 23:54 dcook Trying to imagine a baby on some of the bikes for which they've posted photos 23:54 dcook "Children ages 0 to 11 must have a parent or guardian present to borrow equipment." 23:53 dcook http://www.myacpl.org/bikes 23:53 dcook acpl++ 23:39 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 23:39 jcamins @later tell kf An important announcement regarding string freeze: due to my schedule tomorrow, I will probably not be pushing the last string changes until tomorrow *night* (my time). This in no way impacts the eligibility of patches that pass QA prior to 6am to get in. 23:38 jcamins Ah- an important announcement regarding string freeze: due to my schedule tomorrow, I will probably not be pushing the last string changes until tomorrow *night* (my time). This in no way impacts the eligibility of patches that pass QA prior to 6am to get in. 23:26 jcamins Our signal-to-noise ratio is wayyyy down from what it was when I first started following it. 23:25 jcamins I can set koha-devel NOMAIL. 23:25 jcamins I will be soooo glad when I'm done being RM. 23:21 rangi [off] cept for paul admitted he ran the webinstaller so we have just introduced more confusion 23:21 gmcharlt [off] though I fear he's tilting at a windmill 23:20 gmcharlt sekjal++ 23:16 jcamins WHY?? 23:16 rangi heh 23:16 jcamins wtf? 22:49 mtj no probs 22:46 eythian mtj: thanks for checking out those patches btw. I've been too busy to look at much of anything for the past couple of weeks. 22:45 eythian later cait 22:45 cjh cait: night :) 22:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed 22:45 cait so... for example bug 10145... 22:45 cait if yu want any string patches in 3.12... tomorrow morning is the last chance for qa 22:44 eythian it's only 00:40 though. 22:44 cait I am going to sleep 22:44 cait ok, people 22:44 cjh that doesnt sound half bad actually. 22:44 cjh someone breaks into the box every week or so and busily runs through apt-get upgrade 22:43 eythian we need more hackers who go around upgrading systems 22:43 mtj there we go... 22:43 cjh heh 22:43 huginn` mtj: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013) 22:43 mtj @quote get 244 22:42 mtj quote get 244 22:36 BobB yeah, good last email by rangi 22:36 BobB lol cjh 22:35 * cait nods 22:35 cjh mtj: you should probably get that looked at. 22:34 mtj i feel like my brain is oozing out of my ears 22:34 cjh jcamins++ 22:34 cjh mtj++ 22:33 mtj heya BobB 22:33 cjh rangi++ good closing email 22:33 mtj rangi++ for that email 22:33 BobB busy day in prospect .. 22:33 rangi yep 22:33 cait hi BobB 22:32 BobB hi all 22:30 cait hi eythian 22:30 eythian hi 22:30 mtj .. he would have have to manually run the all the 'make; make upgrade;' stuff too? 22:29 cjh even if he didnt enter his db password, he still must have copied the codebase to /usr/share/koha or whever he is running it from. The koha web installer won't go looking for it. 22:29 mtj see, he cant have even accidentailly untarred a 3.8.10 over his koha dir 22:28 wizzyrea <.< 22:28 wizzyrea >.> 22:28 wizzyrea ask me how I know. 22:28 wizzyrea stubbornness can be such a curse. 22:28 rangi means they never end 22:28 wizzyrea [off] well he does have an above average memory. 22:28 rangi its the refusal to admit he may have made a mistake, the common thing in every one of his mail threads 22:27 cjh wow, still going. 22:27 rangi thats my last one 22:27 rangi im done 22:27 mtj yeah, i really want to spot responding to him :/ 22:25 rangi in case someone believes it 22:25 mtj slowly 22:25 rangi its annoying because you cant leave his FUD as the last word 22:25 mtj fuck me... 22:24 bag heh 22:24 rangi the thread of magic upgrade continues 22:24 wizzyrea ? 22:24 rangi zomg 22:12 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Koha bugzilla statistics for April 2013 #kohails http://t.co/D71KE6ZFpd" 22:10 cait you will see it when you have a subscription and have created an order for it from acq... which is why I think it will be hard to find someone to test :) 22:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed 22:10 wizzyrea bug 10145 22:09 cait it's a display problem for the new feature 22:09 cait 10145 22:08 cait let me find it 22:08 wizzyrea which bug? 22:07 cait someone around for a sign-off maybe? 22:03 cait maybe I should ask oleonard :) 22:02 cait hm and libraries here would never log into our system (staff side) noone outside the library would, so that's why I am puzzled by it :) 22:02 * wizzyrea likes little feature surprises. 22:02 wizzyrea either way, I still think it's neat. 22:01 cait the docs says staff 22:01 rangi or is it OPAC too? 22:01 rangi i think its staff side only? 21:58 wizzyrea idk. Publics have crazy ideas sometimes :) 21:58 wizzyrea or you don't want to show lost items to logged in kids. 21:57 wizzyrea that's only the first (probably bad) example I could come up with 21:57 wizzyrea so they don't try to request them. 21:57 wizzyrea for example, if you don't care to show lost items to other libraries who are logged into your system. 21:56 wizzyrea but I know people who will like it 21:56 wizzyrea me personally? nothing. 21:55 cait wizzyrea: what will you use it for? 21:53 wizzyrea acpl++ 21:53 wizzyrea well I like it 21:52 bag the lost item thing 21:52 wizzyrea or the private note thing 21:52 wizzyrea did what development - the per patron category lost item hiding? 21:51 rangi so they could lend bikes 21:51 bag for the intranet view 21:51 bag oh wizzyrea iirc nelsonville did that development 21:51 cait wizzyrea: i think that's for staff... i was always a bit confused by it 21:50 rangi i think there is a bug for that private note thing too 21:49 wizzyrea whoa when did we get per patron category lost item hiding, that's pretty sweet. 20:57 wizzyrea also someone mentioned to me recently that they want to attach messages to issues (example: adding an ILL number to an issue that would be displayed on return) 20:56 wizzyrea is there a reason that the item private note isn't shown anywhere? 20:55 tcohen hmm, dash in the keys work, but we loose the keys themselves 20:46 bgkriegel yeap 20:46 tcohen i think it will get too messy bgkriegel, because bash doesn't like a dash in the index name 20:44 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "assoc array ref as parameter in bash" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/487 20:41 tcohen just a sec 20:41 tcohen i'm about to paste it 20:40 tcohen yeah bgkriegel, the tricky part was recovering the parameter as an associative array 20:39 bgkriegel tcohen: declare -A test; test[1,1]=A; test[1,2]=B; echo ${test[1,2]} 20:37 tcohen i think i finally got it 20:36 rangi i wonder if ther eis a #bash on oftc 20:36 tcohen :-P 20:36 rangi :) 20:36 rangi you're on your own 20:36 * rangi uses zsh 20:35 tcohen there's no other way for the bash-completion stuff 20:35 rangi perhaps, but i wouldn't ;-) 20:34 tcohen heh 20:34 tcohen is it possible? 20:33 tcohen ok rangi, associative arrays as references in bash 20:24 rangi lending bicycles is such a good idea 20:20 oleonard Bye #koha 20:07 oleonard Hm... Yeah, Keyword to MARC mapping works for me whether XSLT is on or not. 20:07 bgkriegel :) 20:05 koala bgkriege: thanks. worked a treat 20:02 bgkriegel morning rangi 19:58 bgkriegel koala: try setting system preferences XSLTDetailsDisplay and XSLTResultsDisplay to 'default' 19:56 rangi morning all 19:56 rangi try switching on xslt 19:54 koala <bgkriege: not able to see it in staff view 19:48 koala I am not able to see sufield b in Normal view but I can see it in MARC view. 19:47 koala yes I made a change under keywords to MARC mapping. I have only used Bibliographic framework to add subfields. 19:47 bgkriegel koala: opac or staff view? 19:45 oleonard koala: And do you use frameworks other than the default framework? 19:45 oleonard koala: Did you make a change under "Keywords to MARC mapping" ? 19:44 koala I added subtitle and MARC field 245 and subfield be and it is set on default. Still not able to see subtitle in normal view. Do I need to change default framework? 19:43 mtj man, that thread must be the silliest in koha history 19:40 oleonard mtj secretly heads a ring of stealth Koha upgraders 19:34 oleonard Sorry I didn't mean to give you the 3.6 manual, but it's basically the same 19:34 oleonard koala: Map field name "subtitle" to MARC field 245 and MARC subfield b 19:33 melia oh good, magnuse! 19:33 oleonard koala: Sounds like you need to set up "Keywords to MARC mapping" http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/catadmin.html 19:33 magnuse melia: ptfs europe are working on ill stuff 19:32 koala I am new to koha and I cannot see 245 subfield b displayed in normal view though I can see it in Marc view. Is there something I should do first. I have checked bib framework for 245. 19:31 melia np 19:31 oleonard Okay thanks 19:31 melia it doesn't really require any action. (unless someone just feels like adding ILL stuff to Koha) 19:29 melia it's not a bug. it's a library requesting that we create some ILL specific functionality in Koha. they are not sponsoring development but asked me to send their idea out to the community, so I copy/pasted their idea into an enhancement request. 19:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , my ILL requests 19:28 oleonard What is Bug 9852 about? I'm confused, since Koha doesn't have any ILL-specific functionality 19:27 melia hi Owen :) 19:27 melia yep 19:27 oleonard melia around? 19:23 huginn` tcohen_: The operation succeeded. 19:23 tcohen_ @later tell marcelr let me know if you need anything else to get bug 10084 pass QA 19:18 tcohen Cuack, good one bgkriegel 19:16 bgkriegel an example of persistence :P 19:14 tcohen C'mon, that Paul seems a good guy after all :-P 19:06 nengard oh boy 18:59 oleonard Too little research is being done in the area of sexy android librarians. 18:56 bgkriegel Who Ever Said that ILS Migrations Had to be Stressful?, no sexy androids... 18:55 druthb it was about something even sexier…Koha migrations! 18:55 druthb silly oleonard! 18:55 druthb :P 18:54 oleonard I hope your chapter was about sexy android librarians druthb 18:53 druthb poky slow editors (not nengard…she was quick!) 18:53 druthb In fact, as I recall, it was due in a year ago today. 18:52 druthb I sent in my chapter a *year ago* 18:52 oleonard finally? 18:50 druthb wahoo! The book *finally* got published! http://www.igi-global.com/book/robots-academic-libraries/72362 18:10 bgkriegel i think it does automatic split on spaces 18:09 bgkriegel for i in $line; do echo $i; done...? 18:08 tcohen bgkriegel: do u remember of a bash command to convert a phrase into multiline using spaces as separators? 18:07 tcohen ;) 18:07 bgkriegel :) 18:06 tcohen oh, finally got mutually exclusive switches being removed working!!!! 18:04 oleonard Oh no I missed so much while I was gone. 17:00 * magnuse takes the dogs for a walk 16:59 magnuse oh yes, that looks awesome! 16:59 tcohen dou like it? 16:59 magnuse tcohen++ 16:34 gaetan_B bye #koha! 16:13 * gaetan_B is back on the quest for a recycleworthy database field 16:12 gaetan_B and they will use this report a lot 16:12 gaetan_B but usually they are quite slow 16:12 gaetan_B i can make a report to get all the values in 041a without having a field in the table 16:11 gaetan_B but jcamins explanation does seem the right one 16:11 kf yeah 16:11 gaetan_B with extract value ? 16:11 kf you know you can do sql on the xml too? 16:10 gaetan_B ouch :( 16:09 kf but that might be it 16:09 kf ew 16:08 jcamins gaetan_B: sounds like Koha can't handle columns with the same name in more than one table. 16:07 gaetan_B and if i look at a record, the information is in 041a and 500a is empty... 16:05 gaetan_B but all of them are in biblio.notes 16:05 gaetan_B now is i look at what i have in biblioitems.notes, its empty 16:04 gaetan_B and i linked biblioitems.notes to 041a because it seemed to be unused and i needed easy access to the documents language 16:04 gaetan_B biblio.notes is linked to 500a 16:04 gaetan_B something weird happened with this double notes field 16:03 reiveune bye 16:03 jcamins Yeah, that's why I said that "Line" could probably go, but not on that bug. 16:03 jcamins That first column "Line" is what it sorts on by default, and that's just the ordinal of each line. 16:03 oleonard Oh so it does. I was deceived by the sorting indicator on the table header 16:02 jcamins If you do not manually sort anything, it is sorted in the reverse of the order you would expect. 16:02 jcamins oleonard: because the JS uses the default sort too. 16:01 oleonard Okay jcamins, I guess I don't see what your patch for 10152 is for if you can only see its effect if you have js disabled 16:00 maximep yeah... messing with that code doesn't look like fun :/ 15:59 jcamins maximep: that's correct. 15:57 maximep id have to do custom code to allow that ? 15:56 maximep the field biblioitems.marcxml is displayed in the available fields for some notices/letters, but there's really no way to get the value of a marc field within it, right ? 15:56 jcamins In that case I guess you'll be sorry to see me go. 15:55 oleonard Actually I love it when people file display bugs, because I love fixing things. 15:55 oleonard Yeah I see that too 15:55 jcamins I bet you'll be glad for the end of my term as RM. My rate of reporting display bugs should greatly decrease. 15:54 jcamins oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/UIM1STqdu4sD <-- that's what I see 15:52 * oleonard will test 15:52 jcamins It seems to. I didn't report a bug because I wanted to get you to confirm that it wasn't just my system, and decide whether it was a problem. 15:51 oleonard No 15:51 jcamins oleonard: BTW, have you noticed that the language bar in the staff client ends up offset from the bottom if you shrink the window too far? 15:47 oleonard Both are useless when the results are handled by the table sorter 15:47 jcamins I would agree. 15:47 * oleonard thinks that page needs the "sort by" and "results per page" options to be removed from the filter 15:47 jcamins oleonard: it didn't seem to me to make any difference in client-side sorting. 15:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10152 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl 15:46 oleonard jcamins: How does the patch for Bug 10152 affect the display of parcels when the table is sorted client-side? 15:46 jcamins tcohen: nice! 15:45 tcohen hmm, I like this one a bit more: http://sna.gy/hlvM3.jpg 15:39 tcohen magnuse: http://sna.gy/VwbMK.jpg 15:32 kf I will try to qa asap 15:30 kf :) 15:29 oleonard Last chance to lobby for your favorite string-changing patch everyone! 15:24 jcamins You're welcome. I checked last night, but couldn't remember if I'd told you. 15:23 gmcharlt jcamins: thanks for checking 15:23 jcamins gmcharlt: the reverts branch looks right to me. 15:01 nengard there i am 15:00 nengard_ strange 15:00 nengard_ well still can't change back to me 15:00 nengard_ hmmm 14:59 nengard_ anyone know how to kick the other me from this channel? 14:43 nengard anyone remember the bug that lists info on sorting by volume number for serials 14:32 tcohen thanks 14:32 jcamins No question at all, then! 14:32 tcohen (I mean, its almost free if I do it now) 14:32 jcamins :P 14:32 jcamins If you're rewriting, yes! 14:31 tcohen anyway, do u think a change like this it is worth now I'm rewriting this script? 14:31 tcohen -x -a kicked our a*s with GRS-1 a while ago 14:30 jcamins It was just with DOM that there was a problem. 14:30 tcohen i'm rewriting koha-rebuild-zebra 14:30 jcamins Actually, -x -a always worked with GRS-1. 14:30 tcohen ok 14:30 jcamins -x -a works no matter what. 14:30 tcohen is -x -a working on DOM only or is it model agnostic? 14:30 jcamins I mean, it might be nice if that meant "don't do bibs," but I don't think it's important. 14:30 tcohen ok, its just a weird behaviour 14:30 jcamins I don't think so. 14:29 tcohen is it a problem? 14:29 tcohen will rebuild authorities twice 14:29 tcohen koha-rebuild-zebra -v -a instance 14:29 tcohen let me put it another way 14:28 tcohen oh, i guess i missed that :-D 14:28 jcamins They have since 3.8.2. 14:28 jcamins -a and -x work together. 14:28 tcohen i was thinking of catching the -a and -b switches to make them behave like "authorities only" 14:27 tcohen yes, but is it right? -a -b -x should abort because -a and -x are not mixable? 14:26 jcamins I think. 14:26 jcamins tcohen: it passes any arguments it doesn't recognize to rebuilc_zebra. 14:24 tcohen question: what's the expected behaviour of koha-rebuild-zebra if we use (for example) the -a parameter? 14:15 tcohen nevermind, it doesn't 14:12 tcohen gmcharlt maybe? 14:08 tcohen does anyone know if rebuild_zebra.pl returns an error code if something went wrong? 14:04 tcohen heh 14:04 tcohen looks like 7710 has a patch! 14:04 tcohen thanks kf 14:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7717 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Multiple Identical Holds 14:01 kf bug 7717 14:01 kf maybe 7717 14:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title 14:00 kf bug 7710 14:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2532 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron-requested holds limited to one item per bib. 14:00 kf bug 2532 13:59 kf tcohen: yep, or other multi volume thigns, serials 13:51 tcohen the situation is a multi-item biblio (encyclopedia) 13:50 kf tcohen: hm currently notI think, there are some bugs in bugzilla about multi-record holds or similar 13:50 kf oleonard: we shoud probably fix the private note 13:50 kf oleonard: but I am not sure if you can't see them in opac 13:50 tcohen (i mean, a biblio record) 13:49 tcohen question, is it possible to place more than one hold on a register? 13:49 kf oleonard: those notes pop up on checkout and checkin 13:49 kf oleonard: he might mean $3 13:37 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 13:37 oleonard manual? 13:37 oleonard mib_i012qt: Look in the manual for details about how to add and edit authorised values 13:37 oleonard mib_i012qt: Shelving location is an "authorised value" 13:37 mib_i012qt how to add more fields in the shelving location 13:35 mib_i012qt how to edit Shelving location 13:33 alohabot Hi mib_kty6v9, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 13:33 alohabot Hi mib_i012qt, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 13:31 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Griffin Free Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/wMkJxwdhJp" 13:23 magnuse tcohen++ for improving the koha-* scripts! 13:21 jcamins And... seems problematic. 13:21 jcamins oleonard: well that's unfortunate. 13:20 jcamins gaetan_B: no, no magic. 260$c should not be linked to a smallint. 13:20 oleonard Not that I know of 13:19 jcamins oleonard: I thought there were checkout notes on items. 13:19 oleonard Those are attached to a patron though, we need them to be associated with an item 13:18 jcamins But they pop up when you check out an item. 13:18 jcamins I don't remember what they're called. 13:18 jcamins oleonard: circulation notes? 13:18 oleonard thanks wahanui :P 13:18 wahanui checkout notes are actually private. 13:18 oleonard jcamins: checkout notes? 13:18 jcamins oleonard: checkout notes are actually private. 13:12 gaetan_B it will put '0' in the database it seems 13:12 kf gaetan_B: the marc will work, but it won't copy it into the bilbio* table probably 13:11 drojf i suppose there were no problems because people don't use such dates very often though 13:11 drojf gaetan_B: you're right, it should be capable of dates like that 13:10 gaetan_B http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd260.html 13:10 gaetan_B drojf: i'm not that comfortable with marc21 but the online documentation doesn't seem to be against it 13:10 drojf gaetan_B: AFAIK people put only the year into that field 13:10 oleonard gaetan_B: Magic? 13:09 oleonard This is our first opportunity to actually use hourly loans, although since we don't charge fines it doesn't mean so much. 13:09 gaetan_B is there some magic happening in the background ? 13:09 oleonard In other news: "non-public note" isn't very nonpublic if the patron can download the MARC file. Can't put the bike lock combinations in there. 13:08 oleonard Theoretically anyway. We'll find out tomorrow whether our procedure is right 13:08 gaetan_B in marc21 the 260$c field (date of publication) is free text such as "April 25th, 1978" but by default it is linked to biblio.copyrightdate which is a smallint(6) 13:08 drojf i love it! 13:08 oleonard Then the staff member helps the patron get the right bike, and does a physical inspection of the bike at the same time. 13:07 oleonard No, there will be a binder or clipboard or something with all the barcodes on it. 13:07 jcamins Surely you don't carry the bicycle to the circ desk. 13:06 jcamins oleonard: how does that work, exactly? 13:06 jcamins oleonard: cool! 12:59 tweetbot [off] twitter: @oleonard: "Will @MyACPL the first #kohails library in the world to circulate bicycles? http://t.co/EwBDesFpxG" 12:54 tcohen heh, its an OpenSuSE with Xen, messing with the stats 12:53 jcamins No, never seen anything like that. ;) 12:53 jcamins Oh, I thought you were hoping someone knew why it was so high based on the processes. 12:53 tcohen iscsi stuff, but the load! 12:50 * jcamins doesn't even know what those processes are. 12:48 tcohen has anyone something like this? http://snag.gy/wbrOA.jpg 12:45 drojf gaetan_B: yes i found them, thanks :) 12:45 gaetan_B in isntaller/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire/authorised_values.sql 12:44 gaetan_B drojf: sorry for the late answer, actually it seems we have them in french 12:43 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Griffin Free Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/vLEnVUt0B4 #kohails" 12:36 drojf hi oleonard 12:26 oleonard Hi #koha 12:06 drojf jcamins: i might actually do that :D 12:00 magnuse ooh, cool idea! 11:54 jcamins That way we know that Koha is the first ILS with a raspberry pi image. :P 11:49 jcamins "Not for use in production, but take a look." 11:49 jcamins drojf: seems to me you could do a Raspi "test" image. 11:34 drojf you have. interesting. http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire/authorised_values.sql;h=91bd629bd30d9fdbc90d0a864917f4e0e64cb5ea;hb=HEAD 11:21 drojf gaetan_B: regarding the language code question: do you have those in unimarc authorities by default? that might be useful/reusable for marc21 libraries too 11:18 jcamins Exactly. 11:15 drojf i have not been working with plack in a while but it was already ok from testing (as in "playing aorund with it) months ago. just if you need a function here or a page there it might be the wrong one ;) 11:14 jcamins Exactly. 11:14 drojf yes, but it seems there are traps everywhere, so it depends on the library's needs 11:13 jcamins But not necessarily well. 11:13 jcamins I'd say the situation is that most of the staff client works. 11:11 jcamins Yeah... I had been hoping someone other than me would be trying to fix Plack support this release cycle. 11:11 drojf jcamins: it would be interesting to see which parts of the staff client are safe to use with plack. but my fear is that the answer is "none" 11:10 drojf well… a raspberry PI image would only make sense with a 3.14 anyway 11:10 jcamins Calling 3.10 Plack-ready was jumping the gun. 11:09 drojf :) 11:09 jcamins Definitely not. 11:09 jcamins No. 11:09 drojf jcamins: that is not really a recommendation to use it in production, is it? ;) 11:08 drojf jcamins: i hope so :) 11:08 jcamins And that's about it. 11:08 jcamins drojf: Plack will work better in 3.12 than it did in 3.10. 09:57 * drojf leaves 09:48 gaetan_B yes we use the same codes in unimarc 09:48 gaetan_B ok so that would be why koha doesn't enforce one at install 09:47 drojf the standard codes are basically iso-639-2 with some differences 09:47 drojf gaetan_B: yes, it's $2, see also http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html 09:46 drojf gaetan_B: you can use others too, there is another subfield to specify the source (might be $2, not sure) 09:46 drojf gaetan_B: http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/ don't know what you use in unimarc 09:42 gaetan_B in a plain marc21 install, 041$a is not linked to any authorised value, but the field is supposed to hold a language code, is it the same standard as the one used in unimarc ? or is it not standardised ? 09:41 magnuse ah. i thought maybe paul_p would know if there is some reason not to use it... 09:41 gaetan_B by the way 09:41 gaetan_B (it's for the Kurds !) 09:41 gaetan_B i need to have the language of the document at hand in the database for reports 09:40 gaetan_B magnuse: i don't know, it's for a marc21 install 09:40 magnuse gaetan_B: maybe check with paul_p? 09:36 gaetan_B ok so i can reuse this safely for something else i guess :) 09:24 drojf we should have classes in koha history and koha archeology 09:21 * magnuse would guess there are historical reasons for it... 09:12 gaetan_B is there a reason why we have a "notes" field both in biblio and biblioitems ? the one in biblioitems is not mapped by default it seems. 09:07 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Newsletter communautaire de Koha d'avril 2013 http://t.co/wlsj3KlRUi" 08:27 magnuse drojf: i'm not sure either, just thinking that there might be newer versions of a lot of the packages we depend on... 08:22 drojf not sure if it makes a difference at all for the package. i think master is missing a dependency in wheezy though 08:21 magnuse it will probably need some testing on wheezy? 08:19 drojf i think it is supposed to come out next weekend? (wheezy that is) 08:19 drojf are we going to have packages for squeeze and wheezy? 08:12 drojf yeah there is a lot in bz 08:10 magnuse probably a question for jcamins, though 08:09 magnuse searching for plack in bz, there are 3 blockers and 2 criticals that are new or in discussion... 08:04 drojf that brings me to the question: what is the status of plack going to be in 3.12? 08:02 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded. 08:02 drojf @later tell dcook i did (the koha on a raspi instructions), but they are outdated. it should be easier to do now, the raspian distribution takes care of a lot of things i had to do manually. and you have overclocking and more ram now, plus you have to share less ram with the gpu :) 07:32 gaetan_B :) too 07:31 kf :) 07:31 magnuse ...and kf 07:31 magnuse hiya gaetan_B 07:28 gaetan_B hello 07:28 dcook Take care :) 07:28 dcook All right. I had best be off for the night 07:27 kf hello :) 07:27 dcook wb kf 07:27 wahanui i think germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 07:27 huginn` GERMS!!!! 07:26 * magnuse wants to try that too 07:26 dcook drojf: Did you do the instructions for that? 07:26 dcook I really want to try installing Koha on a raspberry pi at some point though 07:25 dcook This new one a 2.6ghz processor and 4gb of ram if I recall correctly...should be more than enough 07:25 dcook The processor is pretty slow too 07:25 dcook I should upgrade to 2gb at some point.. 07:24 dcook Only 1gb of ram that it needs to split between virtualbox and windows 07:24 magnuse yeah, that is no fun 07:24 magnuse ah 07:24 dcook It's pretty slow 07:24 dcook Well, I've already set up Debian and git on it 07:24 dcook Which is... 07:24 dcook But the only machine I have at home is a little netbook 07:24 dcook Hmm, that's true 07:24 magnuse you could also test the packages in e.g. virtualbox? 07:23 dcook :) 07:23 magnuse w00t! 07:22 dcook I actually feel like I might be able to tackle all the issues! 07:22 magnuse yay! 07:22 dcook Very excited for the box and for the progress here at Prosentient 07:22 dcook hey magnuse :) 07:22 dcook hi Joubu 07:21 Joubu hi #koha 07:21 magnuse dcook++ 07:09 christophe_c hi dcook 07:09 asaurat hi! 07:07 dcook et asaurat :) 07:07 dcook allo christophe_c 07:02 christophe_c hello #koha 06:59 dcook BibLibre++ 06:59 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Nous venons de traduire la newsletter communautaire de Koha d'avril en français - http://t.co/s4yyFG4dVD #Kohails" 06:56 dcook Next step might be moving from OpenSuse to Debian...although that's a much more dramatic change than switching from versionless to versioned development.. 06:55 dcook Can't wait for it to arrive so I can finally try out the Debian packages! 06:55 * dcook ordered his new experiment box last night 06:55 dcook Also glad that I was able to convince the powers that there was no way we weren't using Git going forward :D 06:54 dcook I'm very glad that I find my way to #koha and became (more) enlightened 06:54 * dcook likes this idea 06:53 rangi then make whoever made changes without using versions buy a zillion beers for being crazy? 06:51 dcook Only 9 files with local changes left for me to put into the git... 06:47 alex_a hello dcook cait 06:46 cait brb :) 06:46 cait dcook: lol 06:45 wahanui hello, reiveune 06:45 reiveune hello 06:45 dcook bonjour alex_a, reivune 06:45 dcook So far no deadly bites ;) 06:45 alex_a bonjour 06:45 dcook We do have an awful lot of them. I'm constantly walking into spider webs... 06:45 dcook hehe 06:45 drojf that's how you grow those weird spiders :P 06:45 cait feels like spring here too - hay fever 06:43 dcook Last week, we had every blank we own on the bed at night. Australia has such a weird climate sometimes... 06:43 dcook I was sweating at home last night. It felt like summer! 06:43 dcook It's been rather warm this year, especially the past few days 06:42 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 06:42 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:42 magnuse :-) 06:41 drojf magnuse: that's the spirit ;) 06:39 magnuse it feels like spring, though! 06:39 drojf the colder it is now the more it can increase during the day… or something ;) 06:38 * eythian wins 06:38 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 06:38 eythian @wunder nzwn 06:38 drojf poor cait 06:38 cait oh no magnuse does 06:38 cait i 'win' :( 06:38 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). 06:38 magnuse @wunder boo 06:38 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.6°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 06:38 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:38 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 10.4°C (8:12 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 06:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 06:38 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Strasbourg, France is 10.1°C (8:32 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 06:38 cait @wunder strasbourg 06:38 magnuse nice! 06:38 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 06:38 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:38 magnuse bonjour matts 06:38 magnuse moin drojf 06:37 matts hi ! 06:36 cait hi matts 06:35 drojf hi magnuse 06:32 magnuse :-) 06:30 * cait waves back 06:30 * magnuse waves 06:05 dcook hehe 06:04 cait heh 06:04 eythian she started laughing about it during the course. 06:04 eythian but it's also a term for an attractive man 06:03 eythian it's a git thing, part of a patch 06:03 cait hunks? 06:02 eythian (this came up during a git course) 06:02 wahanui okay, eythian. 06:02 eythian wahanui: wizzyrea is also a fan of selecting hunks for committing. 06:02 eythian that git talk reminds me 05:38 dcook Not that I think anyone is jealous of this task...:p 05:38 dcook Without it...it would be an unenviable task 05:38 dcook I'm using a merge program that highlights all differences though, so that's nice 05:37 dcook When I'm lucky, there are some comments ;) 05:37 cait jupp 05:37 dcook I can't remember if it was 50-80 this morning... 05:37 cait comments? documentation? :) 05:37 * dcook is down to about only 9 files left containing relatively undocumented customizations... 05:33 cait I was sleeping 05:33 drojf hi cait and dcook 05:33 drojf so you had fun on the mailing list tonight? :D 05:33 dcook cait: I agree ^_^ 05:32 dcook morning drojf 05:32 cait good morning drojf 05:32 cait dcook: I would say your time today was well spent 05:32 cait dcook: ouch 05:31 drojf good morning #koha 05:24 dcook Which made it excrutiating to try to send patches back to the community 05:24 dcook With no history 05:24 dcook Then deployed from there 05:24 dcook In the past, development was done directly to a test install 05:23 cait where have they been residing before? 05:23 cait that sounds a reasonable thing to do 05:23 dcook Once they're all in there, I'll start cherrypicking some over to master :D 05:23 dcook I decided to finally knuckle down and try to get as many of our local customizations into git as possible 05:23 dcook Yeah, it's quite exciting 05:22 cait busy 05:22 cait heh 05:22 dcook Or I of it 05:22 dcook I think Vim is becoming a part of me 05:22 * dcook has committed more than 40 local patches today... 05:17 * cait waves back 05:17 * dcook waves to cait 05:05 cait hi eythian :) 05:05 eythian hi cait 04:39 cait goodmorning koha 03:54 rangi and very cool 03:53 rangi cya jcamins 03:53 dcook night, jcamins 03:47 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:46 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "rangi: JS for loading a record on the client side (but note you have to copy all the templates in MARC21slimUtils.xsl into MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl)" (42 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/486 03:37 eythian don't you just hate it when people don't 03:31 mtj hmm, i reckon ive spotted a bug with the inventory/stocktake thingy... 03:10 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 03:10 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt I confirm that you reverted the same patches I did. 02:54 rangi yah 02:53 jcamins That's not for data size concerns, though. It's because long titles are a problem on my phone. 02:51 jcamins And I think I might arbitrarily cut the titles at a relatively short number of characters for display purposes anyway. 02:50 jcamins At least, that's it in my proposal. 02:50 jcamins Borrowers and their basic information, item barcode/title/item type/branch, and... that's it, actually. 02:50 wizzyrea and a bit of fines? 02:50 wizzyrea just borrowers? 02:50 jcamins Incredibly small amounts of data. 02:50 jcamins No. 02:49 rangi its not transferring much data tho is it .. we arent moving marc records or anything eh? 02:49 jcamins *would 02:49 jcamins But not as much as I was worried the actual IndexedDB wouuld have. 02:48 jcamins Data transfer speeds will naturally have an impact. 02:48 jcamins No. 02:48 wizzyrea that's not over the internet though? 02:47 jcamins There's some disagreement about whether you start seeing performance issues when you get into the millions, but I didn't get try that yet. 02:47 jcamins I just tested sending several thousand objects, said "wow, that's fast," and declared it was a good idea. :P 02:46 wizzyrea ah 02:46 wizzyrea trying to wrap my head around it. 02:46 jcamins Any type of record. It's not actually implemented. 02:46 wizzyrea sorry so many questions 02:46 wizzyrea records = borrowers or... 02:46 jcamins It seems probable there might be some performance issues if they're contesting a single, now-outdated CPU. :) 02:45 jcamins For performance testing, I'll need to use different CPUs for the server and browser. 02:44 jcamins That's my initial plan, though if I find it's faster to do a complete reload, I'll do that. 02:44 wizzyrea you only send what's changed? 02:44 jcamins Yeah. 02:44 wizzyrea back would be much faster 02:43 jcamins On my slow VM. 02:43 jcamins I'm not positive, but ~5k records/sec. 02:43 wizzyrea to the browser. 02:43 wizzyrea let's start with down 02:42 jcamins wizzyrea: which direction? 02:42 rangi yeah sounds good 02:42 wizzyrea how long would a sync take/ 02:42 jcamins Eventually the goal would be to have the actual circ pages support offline mode, but I figure a good start is using appcache FALLBACK. 02:40 jcamins Offline circ home: http://screencast.com/t/RAIzeRkyx ; checkout screen: http://screencast.com/t/ttJd6gH0 ; checkin screen: http://screencast.com/t/Mk8LFXsp9PX 02:29 jcamins Oh, good idea. 02:28 rangi yeah thats good id just timestamp it with the time you last synced 02:28 rangi or at least the reason that an issue should fail 02:27 eythian http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/04/tor-books-uk-drm-free-one-year-later 02:27 rangi as of 29/2/2013 12:43 this borrower owed $20 02:27 wizzyrea or some variant of it 02:27 wizzyrea this is what he's got so far 02:27 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/Lcl9fqF2M 02:27 rangi and maybe 02:26 rangi be nice to have borrowers name 02:26 rangi ah 02:26 jcamins Sorry, I guess I should have clarified that the question was more about what you want to be seeing as someone using an off-line circ system. 02:25 rangi exactly 02:25 rangi yeah 02:25 rangi you really only need the barcode, and the itemtype 02:25 jcamins The issue is more like "what information do I want to show on my screenshot." :P 02:25 rangi same with items 02:25 rangi cardnumber, category etc 02:24 jcamins Oh, I know. 02:24 rangi you could easily fit all the info you need about a borrower, even if there were a zillion of them in indexdb 02:24 jcamins It'll be out of date, but not _way_ out of date. 02:23 jcamins So syncing won't be as far off as with a file-based sync. 02:23 jcamins Because I am using that, you can hook the laptop up to your library network, catch up to the current situation, then disconnect, go do your bookmobile thing, come back, and upload the results. 02:22 jcamins HTML5 has support for using web pages offline, and storing data in a database in the web browser. 02:22 wizzyrea I don't follow. 02:22 wizzyrea then it's not offline circ? 02:22 jcamins So you don't have to do a big generation step. 02:22 jcamins This is HTML5. 02:22 wizzyrea if that's when you generate the borrower file 02:22 jcamins It would be current up until the bookmobile leaves the library. 02:21 wizzyrea well way out of date as often as you generate the patron file 02:21 wizzyrea it could be alright 02:21 jcamins Well, not so way out of date. 02:21 wizzyrea but if they ONLY ever pay their fines to the book mobile 02:21 wizzyrea but that will be wayyyy out of date. 02:21 wizzyrea I guess you could add to the patron dump their current fines. 02:20 wahanui I watch you sleep. 02:20 bgkriegel good night 02:19 jcamins In this case, the reason for offline circ is a bookmobile with no internet connectivity, and they don't really want to do everything by hand. 02:18 wizzyrea ) 02:18 wizzyrea (but I think that is just as well kept in something like a spreadsheet. 02:18 jcamins Right. 02:18 wizzyrea you should collect the borrowernumber, and the amount paid 02:18 wizzyrea but I guess if you want to do that 02:17 * wizzyrea suggests using a bit of paper 02:17 jcamins Because it could be out of sync, and that would be bad. 02:17 jcamins Hmmm... thinking about when my college library went offline, I think we were able to collect fines, but did not know what the patron's balance was. 02:16 wizzyrea I think it's better to not do anything with fines 02:16 jcamins And the details tab is a candidate for removal. 02:15 jcamins wizzyrea: http://screencast.com/t/Lcl9fqF2M <-- picture of offline circ concept 02:15 bgkriegel oh, I'll check 02:14 jcamins bgkriegel: yes, unless you change a syspref (which I have forgotten the name of) in order to disable it. 02:14 bgkriegel sorry, another question not about food. It's possible to borrow more than one item of the same record to a patron? 02:14 jcamins So someone can make a payment. 02:14 jcamins I think total fines is all the information that is needed. 02:14 jcamins While offline. 02:13 jcamins My question was specifically whether _you_ (whoever is around) wanted to do stuff with fines. 02:13 wizzyrea whoever is asking about it 02:13 jcamins I generally try and persuade my libraries not to charge fines. 02:13 dcook hehe 02:13 wahanui you are brilliant 02:13 jcamins Me? 02:12 wizzyrea and if so, what? 02:12 wizzyrea are you wanting to do stuff with fines? 02:12 jcamins That was my thought. 02:12 wizzyrea offline 02:12 wizzyrea I think you cannot do much with fines 02:12 jcamins Ah- and take screenshots of it. 02:11 jcamins Explain *exactly* what offline circ should do. 02:11 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 02:11 wizzyrea the first question? 02:10 wizzyrea erm 02:10 jcamins In terms of fines. 02:10 jcamins If you're doing offline circ, what information do you need? 02:10 * jcamins contemplates. 02:10 wizzyrea probably rice wine and soy sauce 02:09 dcook :D 02:07 jcamins Spinach marinated in something I've forgotten. 02:07 jcamins Pickled Japanese eggplant. 02:06 dcook Yeah, I haven't had mushroom sushi in ages 02:06 dcook Oooh 02:06 jcamins Apparently sauteed mushrooms are traditional. 02:06 dcook Mango sushi on its own...hmm 02:06 dcook I do like avocado sushi. 02:06 dcook My sushi going is definitely these days now that I'm partnered up with someone that doesn't consume animal products 02:06 jcamins Mango sushi. 02:06 jcamins dcook: avocado sushi. 02:05 dcook jcamins: If you come up with some awesome vegan sushi recipes, I'll be very impressed 02:03 dcook Oooh. There is a good sushi place just down the street that I forgot about until now... 02:02 dcook lol 02:02 jcamins definitely not the place. 02:01 jcamins So... 02:01 jcamins lol 02:01 eythian many of us here at this time of day are totally surrounded by fish. We get calamari just washing up on the beaches, for example. 01:53 * jcamins makes a note that #koha is not the place to find people to be impressed by his sushi making. 01:49 cjh I haven't made sushi in years, need to give it a go again. 01:44 dcook At least in recent years 01:43 dcook Used to be able to find nori at most grocery stores in the cities in SK 01:42 jcamins It seemed unusual to me when I found it in New York! 01:42 jcamins wizzyrea: wait... you were able to get nori in Lawrence? 01:41 wizzyrea sushi is easy and relatively cheap near here. 01:41 wizzyrea i like where your head is at. 01:41 jcamins wizzyrea: sushi! 01:40 wizzyrea right, really ought to eat something before I eat my own arm. 01:37 wizzyrea kekkeke 01:37 dcook I usually caption that as "Winter in Saskatchewan" 01:37 wizzyrea jcamins: :) 01:37 jcamins Hehe. 01:36 wizzyrea haha 01:36 wizzyrea it does if you worked there/ 01:36 dcook Blah, this isn't the right size, but... http://www.twosexygeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/atat-snow-star-wars-geeks-170x126.jpg 01:36 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, that definitely communicates the source well. :) 01:36 wizzyrea you can tell by the "worldonline.clients.ellingtoncms 01:36 jcamins I remember finding it weird when I first encountered buried wire (well, I didn't encounter the wire, just the lack of poles), but now it seems perfectly natural. 01:36 wizzyrea this one is actually from the lawrence paper 01:35 wizzyrea http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2005/03/13/24h__t440.jpg?9e2a24ba44807f8f9b96aad7c4082bf6ded075dc 01:35 dcook Where's that photo when you need it.. 01:35 dcook Hmm 01:35 dcook Pretty :) 01:35 wizzyrea http://manhattaninfidel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/telephone-poles.jpg 01:35 dcook That photo describes my youth 01:34 wizzyrea http://images.fasocdn.com/23944_672860m+v=201212231923/telephone-poles-at-sunset-ks.jpg 01:34 jcamins I know what they are, but I can't remember the last time I saw one. 01:34 wizzyrea there are a lot of poles with wires strung along them 01:34 wizzyrea in rural kansas 01:34 wizzyrea and telephone too but 01:34 wizzyrea you're right, they do bury the electric lines now 01:33 wizzyrea telephone poles maybe? 01:33 wizzyrea hehe naw 01:33 jcamins Are they like... giant Van de Graaf generators? :P 01:33 * jcamins scratches his head... what? 01:33 wizzyrea gently rolling mounds. 01:33 wizzyrea more like mounds. 01:33 wizzyrea lawrence area is hilly-ish 01:33 dcook Mmm, my favourite 01:33 wizzyrea electric poles. 01:33 dcook Road signs. 01:32 dcook It was a lot like Saskatchewan. Flat. Lots of wheat. Roads. 01:32 * dcook tries to remember his brief time in Kansas 01:32 dcook That's cool, wizzyrea! 01:32 dcook Over 88,000 more people than my home town...that might be why as well... 01:31 wizzyrea lawrence is a cool town :) 01:31 wizzyrea yap. 01:31 * dcook hadn't even heard of sushi in Saskatchewan until he was 19 01:31 dcook Sushi in Kansas? 01:31 wizzyrea sorry... 01:31 wizzyrea I made sushi in college, and off and on through my 20's :P 01:30 dcook I wouldn't have done it if she hadn't thought of it 01:30 dcook It is rather rare! 01:30 jcamins Hehe. 01:30 dcook hehe 01:30 dcook The Eatery in Vancouver, while over-priced and ridiculously over-hyped, does have interesting names and tasty foods 01:29 jcamins Oh, sure, just upstage me and burst my bubble about being the first person I know who has made sushi. :P 01:29 dcook salmon and mango 01:29 * dcook personally quite enjoys S&M rolls 01:29 dcook Yeah, I used to make quite a bit of sushi with the ex. Always a good time. 01:29 jcamins Well, plus the rice. 01:28 jcamins And it took about twenty minutes to make. 01:28 jcamins dcook: it was amazing. 01:28 * dcook really wants sushi now... 01:26 dcook hehe 01:26 * mtj tickles wahanui's tummy 01:25 mtj thats were all teh magic happenzz 01:24 wizzyrea hah 01:24 jcamins :P 01:24 jcamins They make me giggle, and that's important when I'm RM. 01:24 mtj yeah, me too ^^ 01:24 jcamins I especially like the weird ones. 01:24 wizzyrea sometimes they're just weird. 01:24 wizzyrea i like them when they're apropos 01:23 wizzyrea heh 01:23 jcamins Personally, I like wahanui's interjections. 01:23 jcamins Hehe. 01:23 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot not all 01:23 wizzyrea forget not all 01:23 wahanui not all are active in the community now 01:23 wizzyrea but not all! 01:23 wizzyrea sugar + cornstarch = many types of powdered or icing sugar 01:22 jcamins However, since most recipes call for 1 oz of chocolate (i.e. ~20 pieces) and cocoa powder + sugar + cornstarch, it didn't occur to me to make that correction. 01:22 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot yea 01:22 wizzyrea forget yea 01:22 wizzyrea ohh 01:22 jcamins Yeah, it should have been 12 *ounces* of chocolate chips, not twelve pieces. 01:22 wahanui yea is better to not get attached to a specific koha version >.> 01:22 wizzyrea oh yea? 01:21 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, by the way, I got the answer on the issue with the hot fudge. 01:21 jcamins But a really, really good California roll and Philadelphia roll. 01:21 wizzyrea ah cool yum 01:21 jcamins wizzyrea: just California roll and Philadelphia roll. 01:20 wizzyrea what kind of sushi? 01:19 jcamins Thanks. 01:19 dcook jcamins: That thought crossed my mind last night on the bus. I'll send it on over. 01:19 jcamins Only ten showed up. 01:19 jcamins When I was in Morocco I made Thanksgiving dinner for 25 people. 01:19 dcook !!! 01:19 * jcamins would do it, too! 01:19 jcamins lol 01:19 dcook rangi: Perhaps instead of a community kitchen at Kohacon, we should all just group together and have Jared cook for everyone :p 01:19 jcamins dcook: I need Edmund's name and e-mail address so I can give him credit for that patch. I'm going to amend it to make him the author. 01:19 dcook :D 01:15 jcamins Really, really good sushi, too. 01:15 jcamins Move over, Jiro, jcamins has started making sushi! 01:15 mtj hmmm, looks like z39 settings for tepuna are marc8, not utf 01:09 dcook thanks, mtj :) 01:09 dcook Sweet :D 01:06 mtj ...works ok, without a user/pwd 01:06 mtj Database Name: voyager 01:06 mtj Port: 7190 01:06 mtj Address: nlnzcat.natlib.govt.nz 01:03 mtj there is some public z39, i think… 01:02 mtj aah, ok 00:58 dcook "The National Bibliographic database is available to Te Puna subscribers via Z39.50" 00:58 dcook http://lianzaitsig.pbworks.com/w/page/58013907/Z39%2050%20Connection%20Information 00:58 dcook I was meaning for z39.50 though 00:58 dcook Thanks, mtj 00:56 mtj http://lists.vuw.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nz-libs 00:54 dcook Hmm, do you have to subscribe to the natlib of nz? 00:53 rangi yeah thats what i had to do :) 00:52 dcook I suppose you could build in your own delay/timeout 00:52 dcook Eeep 00:51 rangi (LOC have yaz proxy out in front of their one to save it, but i popped the natlib of nz once) 00:51 rangi voyagers one is super easy to do 00:51 rangi not to overwhelm the z3950 server 00:50 rangi you have to be careful tho 00:50 rangi yeah 00:49 dcook Admittedly, it would probably be easier to do them as a batch and then edit the marc records as necessary after the fact 00:48 dcook Just the first result? 00:48 dcook How do you select the record? 00:48 dcook I've pondered that a bit recently 00:48 rangi then do them all in a batch 00:48 rangi so you can scan the isbn into a file 00:48 rangi i have some scripts that can fetch a bunch and make marc records 00:47 dcook will = would* 00:47 dcook But this will certainly help 00:47 dcook I was wondering how I was going to do the Z39.50 searches 00:47 dcook Mhm 00:47 rangi and less likely to typo 00:46 dcook I am an absurdly fast typist, but...the barcode scanner would certainly save my fingers and the keypad.. 00:45 rangi if you can scan the isbn in 00:45 dcook Good call 00:45 rangi it will save you a crap ton of time 00:45 rangi or the like 00:45 dcook O_O 00:45 rangi from dicksmith 00:45 rangi buy a cheap barcode scanner 00:45 rangi :) 00:45 dcook I figure getting Koha running at home using packages will incentivize me to catalogue my home collection which will finally give me an excuse to unpack the study... 00:44 dcook Thanks, rangi :) 00:43 dcook I'm just getting a cheap box that I'm going to be running everything on at home but that's very good to know :D 00:43 dcook Mmm, right. I've seen the instructions for that 00:43 rangi ie in you koha-sites config file you can point to a db server anywhere 00:42 rangi so it doesnt install that by default 00:42 rangi but you might have your mysqlserver on a different machine 00:42 rangi they install zebra and apache 00:42 rangi only mysql 00:41 dcook They'll find and install missing Perl dependencies though? 00:41 dcook You still need to install apache, mysql, and zebra before even trying the packages, yes? 00:40 dcook Quick question about packages... 00:37 rangi the bug is clicking that without reading it :) 00:37 rangi yeah 00:31 mtj its telling you that something very important needs to be done, on, your koha 00:31 mtj also, the automatic redirection to the update page is a *feature*, not a bug 00:28 mtj heh , i just realised i typed the same thing as chris ^^ 00:21 jcamins I am done with responding. 00:21 jcamins mtj: that's why I included the "I'll close this discussion..." 00:21 mtj hopefully those 3 replies will be the end of that very stupid thread 00:19 dcook Very well worded 00:19 dcook jcamins++ 00:18 tcohen bye #koha, pasta time :-D 00:17 tcohen it was an uppercut jcamins 00:15 jcamins mtj: I'm sure I didn't see that comi-wait. 00:15 mtj hes pretty quiet about that cock-up 00:15 mtj if you read very carefully, Paul reveals that he did upgrade his codebase to 3.8.10 - and forgot 00:14 dcook Need a bot named murphy 00:14 rangi :-) 00:14 rangi now someone will probably ask for automatic upgrades 00:14 rangi so between those 3 emails, hopefully that ends the misinformation campaign 00:13 rangi you have to click upgrade 00:13 rangi its only an automatic page telling you you need to upgrade 00:13 rangi just clarifying again, that it is not an automatic upgrade 00:12 tcohen jcamins, your mail is not abrasive, its a good response 00:12 rangi replied to yours 00:11 mtj aah, i sent a reply 30 mins ago, but forgot to CC it to the list... 00:08 jcamins That was a rather abrasive e-mail, but I don't see any way to not be abrasive. 00:08 jcamins Right, I'm done.