Time Nick Message
23:56 rangi yeah that's as far as i got
23:54 jcamins wtf?
23:53 jcamins But...
23:53 jcamins It's so wrong, and so likely to be damaging it needs a response.
23:53 rangi its pretty special
23:53 jcamins Yeah.
23:53 rangi the latest paul a email?
23:53 dcook O_o
23:53 jcamins I don't even-!
23:52 jcamins ...
23:50 dcook merci :)
23:49 dcook k, I'll do a bug report for it
23:48 rangi zsh: no such file or directory: /bin/perl
23:47 rangi (it wouldnt work on my debian install)
23:47 rangi id change it, just to keep it consistent
23:47 rangi that will work sometimes :)
23:45 dcook perl -c says the syntax is fine
23:44 dcook Hmm...is it all right if "get_report_social_data.pl" starts with "#!/bin/perl" rather than "#!/usr/bin/perl" >
23:38 * dcook really needs to remember to book flights and such..
23:36 rangi cya
23:34 tcohen BBL, thanks rangi
23:34 tcohen ok, Mezzanine on my home theatre, heading to the kitchen
23:34 tcohen right
23:33 rangi *nod*
23:33 tcohen oh, maybe i'll ask if that could help on the embassy
23:33 rangi that might be an option if you need something like that
23:33 rangi to help with visas
23:33 tcohen i'll do everything i can to make it this year
23:33 rangi for kohacon10 we wrote some letters of invitation for people
23:33 tcohen i hope so
23:33 rangi i hope your visa works out :)
23:32 rangi in the USians case
23:32 rangi or state
23:32 rangi but we might be able to at least do a shared afternoon tea or something with something from each of our countries :)
23:32 rangi it might not be feasible, at linuxconf people had the use of a kitchen
23:31 tcohen that sounds perfect! heh
23:31 rangi of doing a shared dinner one of the nights
23:31 tcohen which idea?
23:31 rangi i had an idea, stolen from linuxconf.au
23:30 tcohen i hope so rangi, i'm trying to contact the US embassy this week for the VISA
23:30 dcook 'twas delicious :)
23:30 rangi dcook: ohh that sounds very nice
23:29 rangi tcohen: do yo think you might make it to kohacon?
23:28 rangi bgkriegel++ #thanks for splitting out my patch and adding yours as a followup
23:26 rangi you could subsititue pepperdew or thinly sliced capsicum instead of capers i reckon
23:25 tcohen hmm, I don't like capers, but overall it sounds great
23:25 * dcook wishes he had the recipe for the fig and raspberry port crumble that his partner made last night...
23:23 rangi it tastes better than the name translates to :-)
23:23 rangi http://allrecipes.com/recipe/puttanesca-i/
23:23 rangi i was going for Puttanesca
23:22 rangi that'd work :)
23:21 tcohen (olive-less today :( )
23:21 tcohen olive oil for frying the onions could make it?
23:20 rangi olives
23:09 tcohen heh
23:09 eythian doesn't matter, if it's in git you can always roll back and try something else.
23:08 tcohen anything else for some spaghetti?
23:08 tcohen tomatoes, onion, basil, salt, some sugar, black pepper
23:07 tcohen ok, technical question #koha
23:06 tcohen jcamins around?
22:42 bag afternoon all
22:23 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
22:23 gmcharlt @later tell cait NB http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/bug6554_reverts
22:23 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
22:23 gmcharlt @later tell jcamins would appreciate eyes on http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/bug6554_reverts to verify that it is consistent with what you reverted
22:21 wahanui eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.
22:21 mtj hey eythian
22:21 mtj but yeah, you do make an important point… :/
22:20 wahanui privet, eythian
22:20 eythian hi
22:20 mtj god knows what hes done to his box, but its nothing we can help him with
22:19 rangi mtj: im just afraid someone will think koha can magically update your system without you doing something (which is patently untrue of course)
22:18 mtj rangi, nah, just let it die...
21:52 rangi you might want to check with jcamins of course
21:51 rangi yep thats it
21:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates
21:51 rangi i think bug 6554
21:51 rangi yep
21:50 gmcharlt *sigh* does infobot have a mode where it won't automatically pick up EVERY assertion, just ones its explicitly told to remember?
21:49 wahanui which patch are we talking about?
21:49 gmcharlt rangi: which patch?
21:47 rangi its a massive FUD
21:47 rangi someone has to i guess
21:46 rangi im not even touching that email
21:46 rangi zomg
21:45 rangi gmcharlt might want to revert it on master too
21:45 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:45 rangi @later tell cait bug 10128 is caused because the bad patch has only been reverted on 3.12 not on master
21:38 tweetbot [off] twitter: @opensourceway: ". @nengard walks us through @kohails, an open source library system | http://t.co/thGv3INTmD"
21:24 gcb Does /usr/share/koha/bin/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl still need to be run?
21:15 gcb Yes. They were import just fine. Do they still need to be linked from the command line?
21:12 rangi by gui you mean staff site eh?
21:11 gcb I'll give it a try from the gui, thanks.
21:11 rangi so just import them into the right one
21:11 rangi and you have a different staff site for each instance
21:11 rangi gcb: yes, cait says you can, in the koha staff side
21:10 gcb I thought you could bulk import authorities from the gui?
21:10 cait should be 3.10 I hope - I tested someting in that area yesterday in master, but most of the authority work went into 3.10
21:10 rangi sudo -u corrections-koha PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/corrections/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -d -a --file koha_auth.marc
21:10 rangi eg
21:10 rangi if you want to do it on the commandline, you need to do it as the user and using the right config
21:10 cait I think you stage the file and tell it if it is biliographic or authority
21:09 rangi if you are running 3.10.x cait says you should be able to just import them in the web interface, so just do that for the site you want to
21:08 gcb Yes
21:08 rangi gcb: how do you mean .. you have done a few koha-create right so you have a bunhc of different instances?
21:07 gcb But how do I those into the collection for site1 versus site2 or site3? I don't see a switch to indicate the destination collection.
21:07 cait but not entirely sure, a test woudl be good
21:07 cait i think only does it in catalouguing
21:06 rangi cait: i think it will if you set biblioaddauthorities but you would have to test
21:06 cait in 3.10 I think
21:06 cait rangi: I think you can use staged now for importing authorities - jcamins did it :)
21:06 rangi or are you wanting Koha to create authorities for you ?
21:05 cait to my knowledge koha doesn't create authorities automatically if you do bulk import
21:05 rangi you need to do that using bulkmarcimport.pl -a from the commandline
21:05 rangi create and import that authorities too?
21:05 rangi yes
21:05 gcb How do I ensure that the authorities are imported into the appropriate collection?
21:04 gcb I have an installation running the Debian-package version of Koha with several separate sites configured. After staging and importing batches of biblio records for individual sites, I discovered that no authority records had been created. Looking at everything online suggests that I create the marc authority records and use bulkmarcimport.pl to import these.
20:54 cait glad you see it that way ;)
20:54 cait yep
20:50 wizzyrea or at least, present the most interesting problems
20:50 wizzyrea holds are always exciting ^.^
20:46 cait good morning wizzyrea
20:45 wizzyrea also good morning
20:45 wizzyrea and permissions profiles
20:45 wizzyrea I'd like preference profiles too
20:44 wizzyrea on never mind it was not for loan
20:44 wizzyrea cait do you have a default rule?
20:39 cait almost like batman
20:39 cait hehe
20:38 jcamins Fwoosh! <-- the sound of jcamins trying to get to a tour at the MoMA in an hour
20:09 bgkriegel :)
20:09 cait insane... but boring? :)
20:09 cait holds and boring? :)
20:08 bgkriegel some more boring (but important) things to fix
20:07 rangi poor errors is a real problem
20:07 rangi yeah
20:07 bgkriegel and in my case a poor message, it said no copies available, no not allowed on unchecked items
20:07 rangi id like profiles
20:07 cait it ould have told me: not for loan
20:07 cait yeah, a more specific error message would do it
20:06 rangi that would make them more managable
20:06 rangi you should be able to switch on a group at once
20:06 rangi its just they are not all grouped together nicely
20:06 rangi its a UI/UX problem, not the fact we have a lot
20:06 bgkriegel to remember at last
20:05 bgkriegel ok :-)
20:05 rangi there
20:05 rangi no their arent
20:05 bgkriegel solved, in my case was one of the sysprefs. There are too many...
20:02 cait so slowly wemight be able to clear up some of the older stuff
20:01 cait :)
20:01 cait or atleast I am hoping
20:01 cait yeah, but I think we are on a good track to not make it worse
20:01 rangi good, cos thats how we got to this point :)
20:00 cait i am not going to delete or change anything without unit tests *promises*
20:00 cait or at least i worry about it:)
20:00 cait rangi: i know :) it's just that I think we are not really consistently checking the same things every where right now
19:59 rangi morning
19:59 oleonard Hi rangi
19:59 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/31/yes-you-should-rewrite-it-no-not-like-that/
19:59 cait good morning
19:59 cait :)
19:59 cait we might turn up some bugs tho if we got those unit tests
19:59 cait agreed
19:59 rangi not without a full set of unit tests first
19:57 cait thx :)
19:53 bgkriegel yeap
19:53 cait bgkriegel: we really need t refactor those checks
19:52 cait yep that did it
19:51 cait cross fingers
19:51 cait the itemtype was set to notforloan
19:51 cait i may have found it
19:51 cait oh
19:51 bgkriegel yes, too, and yes, to many...
19:51 cait i see nothing in the logs and the check causing the message has multiple conditions
19:50 cait so you got problems too?
19:50 cait yeah we do
19:49 bgkriegel we need mechanized tests...
19:48 cait but it still doesn't work
19:48 cait i forced a hold with the override
19:48 cait ... and my holds are not showing up in the holds_queue either :(
19:47 bgkriegel could be
19:47 cait but it feels like there is something seriously wrong here
19:47 cait I think the check on details might be stricter
19:47 bgkriegel a strange thing in opac, in search results there is a 'place hold', but in details page there isn't
19:46 bgkriegel I'm looking
19:45 cait for you?
19:45 cait but i think it shoould have been possible to place a hold without having to override it
19:45 bgkriegel same problem
19:45 cait i have activated allosholdsoverride something now
19:45 cait no, from staff
19:45 bgkriegel or details?
19:45 bgkriegel cait: are you trying to place a hold from opac results?
19:44 cait oleonard: i suspect a bug there...but I can't put my finger on it
19:36 cait and nothing in the logs :(
19:35 cait it would be quite nice if we could figure that out.... trying to test that holdsqueue bug
19:35 cait maxreserves is set to 50
19:34 cait it's off
19:34 cait but I am checking it anyway
19:34 cait login branch = item home branch
19:33 oleonard IndependantBranches?
19:33 cait allowonshelfholds is set to allow
19:33 cait I checked circulation rules for that library, patron category itemtype combination
19:33 jcamins cait: you've been spending too much time talking to me?
19:33 cait can someoen throw a few ideas at me?
19:32 cait and I don't see why...
19:32 cait cannot place on hold - no copies are available to be placed on hold
19:32 cait hm
18:28 * druthb debates snapping jcamins with a rubber band.
18:27 wahanui OK, jcamins.
18:27 jcamins wahanui: square root of -1 is <reply> Don't get fresh with me!
18:25 * druthb was hoping for a smart-aleck remark, at least.
18:25 druthb didn't think so.
18:25 druthb square root of -1?
18:25 druthb fair 'nuf.
18:25 wahanui 1.4142135623731
18:25 druthb square root of 2?
18:24 druthb oho.
18:24 wahanui 2
18:24 druthb square root of 4?
18:24 * druthb goes "harrrumph!"
18:24 druthb 10 to the third power?
18:23 druthb creeeeeepy.
18:23 wahanui 1.5
18:23 druthb 10 percent of 15?
18:23 wahanui druthb: i don't know
18:23 druthb wahanui: what is 10 percent of 15?
18:23 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, druthb
18:23 druthb wahanui: what is ten to the third power?
18:23 * druthb pokes wahanui
18:23 wahanui druthb: what?
18:23 druthb wahanui appears to be an Infobot, but doesn't seem to want to do that.
18:22 * druthb scritches her head.
18:22 druthb 10 ** 3
18:12 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update group in pulldown
18:12 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add edit circ rule
18:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #329: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/329/
18:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #329 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:11 druthb hm. appears to not be using Supybot's plugin for that.
18:11 druthb calc 10**3
18:10 maximep o_O
18:10 druthb okay. 23 is a *prime number*. no fair!
18:10 wahanui 23
18:10 druthb 10^3 * 10^3
18:09 rambutan I'm trying to figure that out...
18:09 wahanui 62
18:09 rambutan 10^5 * 10^6
18:09 druthb uhm...
18:09 maximep suuuuuuuuuure
18:08 wahanui 16
18:08 rambutan 10^3 * 10^4
18:08 druthb :P
18:08 tcohen 10 :-P 15
18:08 druthb 10**15
18:08 tcohen 10^15
18:08 druthb … apparently not.
18:08 druthb 10e4 * 15
18:05 * jcamins counts zeroes.
18:05 jcamins Oh, wahanui doesn't do exponent notation.
18:05 wahanui 25000000000000
18:05 jcamins 500000 * 50000000
18:02 jcamins Items are a bit more problematic to choose a reasonable upper barrier for, of course, as there are consortia out there with 50m+ items.
18:01 talljoy but yes, *most* are under 500K
18:01 talljoy might even be higher, but i'd have to dig for that information
18:01 jcamins So it's probably safe for me to say "most Koha libraries have well under 500k patrons."
18:00 jcamins talljoy: thanks.
18:00 talljoy sorry. jcamins yah, off the top my head i'd say the largest consortium has 200-300K patrons
17:55 jcamins Thanks.
17:55 jcamins Sure.
17:55 talljoy one sec on phone
17:55 jcamins talljoy: you have some massive consortia. Any idea how many patrons the largest of those has?
17:54 jcamins Does anyone know how many patrons the "largest" Koha library has?
17:46 * cait will be good now and look into doing qa
17:46 cait okok
17:46 cait :P
17:45 cait but... now what cake is that?
17:42 cait :)
17:42 * druthb puts a couple of Oreos in the chopper, then pours the bits on top of the ice cream, followed by a drizzle of fudge.
17:42 cait for it to be jared's icecream cake.. .but I will take your cake too
17:41 cait well...
17:41 druthb picky thing, aren't you?
17:41 druthb hm.
17:41 cait there has to be oreo crumble... and fudge icing
17:41 cait that doesn't look right druthb
17:41 cait hmm
17:41 jcamins cait: oyster bisque.
17:40 * druthb puts a scoop of ice cream next to the cake.
17:40 cait icecream cake?
17:39 * druthb offers cait some cake.
17:39 wahanui hmmm... cake is a lie!
17:39 cait cake?
17:32 jcamins So superb I think I want more.
17:30 jcamins This oyster bisque came out superb.
17:14 oleonard Right now we show some and hide some
17:14 cait i like
17:14 oleonard So by default show the text input, then click [+] to show more options (like search fields, type, library limit)
17:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10153 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Patron header search form is too wide
17:14 oleonard Re: Bug 10153, I'm proposing to hide *all* the patron search refine options instead of picking and choosing.
17:04 jcamins Okay, I'll add an option four, "always obey current AcqCreateItems setting."
17:03 druthb If you can say that fast, you're ready to use acq.
17:03 druthb "When beetles fight these battles in a bottle with their paddles and the bottle's on a poodle and the poodle's eating noodles...they call this a muddle puddle tweetle poodle beetle noodle bottle paddle battle."
17:03 cait hah i got the keyboard configured :)
17:02 cait but thats a candidate for an 123 thing... i might missing something here
17:02 cait i think it would be nice if it worked that way i guess
17:01 cait difficult
17:01 cait hm
17:00 jcamins cait: If you are creating an order, and you have AcqCreateItems set to "when cataloging the record" but thenchange AcqCreateItems to "when receiving the order" before you've received the order, do you expect an item to be created when you receive the order or not?
17:00 cait wrong kezboard again
16:59 cait jcamins: _
16:57 * oleonard shouldn't talk, gets lots of generous signer-offers
16:57 jcamins oleonard: it amuses me.
16:57 oleonard Oh, you have to add "sign off" as the last step in your test plan?! That's where I've been going wrong!
16:45 jcamins You just can't change the number of results on a page.
16:45 jcamins Actually, it does.
16:44 jcamins The filter box on the side doesn't do anything.
16:44 jcamins Huh.
16:44 jcamins I always thought an "order line" was an order for a single item.
16:43 oleonard I've seen the term "order line" used frequently, but I don't know what it means.
16:43 jcamins It is not ID, because it is always in ascending order.
16:42 jcamins There's a column in that table with the heading "Line."
16:42 oleonard ?
16:40 jcamins wtf is that "Line" for?
16:39 jcamins now I'm confused.
16:39 jcamins Okay...
16:34 * jcamins blames copy-and-paste.
16:34 jcamins oleonard: not so much bad date sort as "trying to sort on a column that doesn't exist."
16:33 oleonard Bad date sort?
16:28 jcamins It just doesn't work.
16:28 jcamins That's in the code.
16:28 jcamins It's supposed to be.
16:28 jcamins Wait.
16:28 oleonard Makes sense to me.
16:28 jcamins oleonard: what would you think about making the invoices table on the parcels page default to sorting in reverse chronological order?
16:26 * jcamins too.
16:26 jcamins oleonard: none come to mind. Lots of languages which don't have articles at the beginning of words, but those that have recognizable articles at the beginning of the word all ignore them for sorting in my experience.
16:26 oleonard Whenever I see sorting done on "the" in an English language system I assume it's because they didn't know how to exclude it and/or are lazy jerks.
16:25 drojf oleonard: i think you have both in german. sorting with and without the article
16:24 oleonard Are there languages which *don't* exclude articles from sorting? Besides languages without articles I suppose?
16:24 drojf [off] jcamins: perfect!
16:24 jcamins [off] If we simply enforce "must add self to slate," that would solve the problem.
16:23 oleonard [off] We'll add that to the list next time. Maybe some kind of test?
16:23 oleonard [off] Heh
16:22 drojf [off] [some snarky comment about »can use wiki« as a requirement for koha roles]
16:19 jcamins Okay.
16:19 kf jcamins: have to leave - will look later
16:19 jcamins oleonard: because non-breaking spaces are cool!
16:14 oleonard I don't know why the was added.
16:14 jcamins Just wondering if there was a reason.
16:13 * jcamins is very flexible on this matter.
16:13 jcamins In that case none of them should have s.
16:13 jcamins Oh.
16:13 oleonard None of them should have
16:13 jcamins Oh, in that case, there should be s before them too, I guess.
16:13 oleonard jcamins: Looks to me like the selects for billing place and delivery place are offset from the rest
16:12 gaetan_B bye !
16:11 reiveune bye
16:11 * oleonard looks
16:11 jcamins oleonard: is there a reason why the select for "Vendor:" is offset a bit when creating a basket?
16:09 tweetbot [off] twitter: @pierrevdk: "Comme chaque mois, la newsletter communautaire de Koha en français - http://t.co/NIGzDkc9wE #kohails"
16:07 jcamins If you are creating an order, and you have AcqCreateItems set to "when cataloging the record" but thenchange AcqCreateItems to "when receiving the order" before you've received the order, do you expect an item to be created when you receive the order or not?
16:06 jcamins kf: I have a question.
16:03 oleonard Exactly
16:03 jcamins kf: it's javascript, like: var articles = _("a an the");
16:03 kf if it's noly a text file that is
16:03 kf oleonard: not sure really if the translator woudl pick it up at all
16:02 kf reading back
15:55 oleonard kf: As a translator, do you think there is a way to address this possible confusion?
15:53 jcamins oleonard: I'm not saying that's not the best way to do it, just that it's a shame that's the best way.
15:53 oleonard A preference would work too but only for one language
15:53 kf gmcharlt++
15:53 oleonard jcamins: We need a way to pass an arbitrary set of articles to the sorting function
15:53 jcamins Right.
15:52 oleonard The main drawback to that is that translators will need to know *why* they have to translate a string like "a an the"
15:52 jcamins But, probably.
15:52 oleonard ...rather than via a preference as I had originally thought
15:52 jcamins oleonard: ewwww.
15:51 oleonard Seems like the best way to configure client-side table sorting to exclude articles like "a," "an," and "the" is to add the strings to the datatables-strings.inc configuration file
15:45 druthb heh
15:45 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
15:45 druthb kf?
15:45 wahanui somebody said kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
15:45 druthb kf?
15:44 kf aah.
15:44 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary
15:44 kf cait?
15:44 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
15:44 kf cait?
15:44 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
15:44 kf cait?
15:42 oleonard Bye Joubu
15:42 Joubu bye #koha
15:19 jcamins Agreed.
15:19 jcamins Ditto locked.
15:19 kf different for search in history
15:19 kf agreed :)
15:19 jcamins If you are receiving items and want to bill them against an inactive budget, you're doing it wrong!
15:18 kf so they won't show - all ok for me
15:18 jcamins kf: I did not plan on giving the option of selecting inactive or locked budgets.
15:17 kf jcamins: wondering, how will lock and active fit in there?
15:16 jcamins So never mind.
15:16 jcamins Actually, I just have a lot of empty budgets.
15:16 jcamins Joubu: unfortunately, I have a lot of empty optgroups when I apply that patch.
15:15 kf i was hoping he might have a chance to look at the inventory patch again
15:15 kf ah ok
15:15 Joubu kf: he is away today. He will come back tomorrow
15:14 kf Joubu: do you think if matts_away is around this week?
15:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Acq history search
15:14 Joubu jcamins: I developed something like that for bug 5336 I think
15:14 kf i think I could like that
15:10 jcamins kf: what would you think of using optgroups for budget periods?
15:06 jcamins Thanks.
15:06 oleonard I know of several existing uses
15:05 oleonard I think the only issue with them in the past was with translation, and that problem has been resolved.
15:05 jcamins I'm contemplating using optgroups for budget periods.
15:05 jcamins oleonard: do we use optgroups in Koha, or do we try to avoid them?
15:04 oleonard Got it.
15:04 jcamins oleonard: because by the time you read the message, it's been started.
15:04 oleonard jcamins: Why "to have been" instead of "to be" ?
15:03 kf tcohen++
15:03 jcamins How about "Zebra does not appear to have been running for instance XX"?
15:03 kf for? :)
15:03 tcohen jcamins "Zebra appears to be stopped fro instance XX"?
15:02 jcamins :)
15:02 kf I like your plan ;)
15:02 kf next they will want it in opac
15:02 jcamins Don't get me wrong, having it in the OPAC as it is is better than not having it at all, but if I'm going to talk to people about adding it on the staff side, I'd like to have it work better on the staff side.
15:01 kf jcamins: I thinks ession is preferrable
15:01 jcamins kf: yeah.
15:01 oleonard I support having all those things fixed and having it available in the staff client!
15:01 kf jcamins: how is it stored in opac? in the cookie itself?
14:59 jcamins Several ways. It can't be translated, it requires Javascript, it only lets you page a certain distance, and if you have long titles, it breaks.
14:59 oleonard Oh, how is it broken in the OPAC?
14:59 jcamins Only preferably working.
14:58 jcamins Right.
14:58 oleonard Paging on the detail page like in the OPAC?
14:56 jcamins Thoughts on storing the current search in the session, and using that for paging on the staff side?
14:56 * tcohen wonders if these koha-* scripts shouldn't be distro agnostic and available to tar.gz users
14:55 jcamins tcohen: makes sense.
14:54 tcohen i'll do a --start in that case to sort it out
14:54 tcohen jcamins, 'daemon' aborts if it doesn't find a pid upon --restart
14:53 jcamins tcohen: no, with CGI::Session.
14:53 tcohen on IndexDB?
14:49 jcamins How much can be stored in a user's session?
14:45 huginn` druthb: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009)
14:45 druthb @quote random
14:45 tcohen heh
14:44 gmcharlt *snicker*
14:44 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #207: "< eythian> It's OK, we can implement the RDA support in Perl 6." (added by chrisc at 12:00 AM, May 29, 2012)
14:44 gmcharlt @quote random
14:44 gmcharlt fo@quote random
14:43 oleonard They are languages which I have had installed in the past
14:43 jcamins I figured it was Plack, and ignored it.
14:42 jcamins oleonard: I don't know, but mine does that too on occasion.
14:42 tcohen because they are in the DB
14:42 oleonard Why do my language preferences list languages which I don't have installed?
14:42 tcohen thanks
14:42 tcohen ok. warn but start
14:42 jcamins Yes, that's what init does.
14:41 tcohen maybe warn the user but start it anyway?
14:41 tcohen should koha-restart-zebra start instances that aren't already running?
14:22 huginn` jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:22 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
14:22 jcamins @quote get 123
14:19 oleonard "The action and formaction content attributes, if specified, must have a value that is a valid non-empty URL potentially surrounded by spaces."
14:18 jcamins Probably we shouldn't rely on that behavior, even if it is in the spec, because it's hard to understand.
14:18 jcamins Thanks.
14:17 oleonard As far as I know that is what browsers do, I'm not sure that is in a spec somewhere
14:17 jcamins oleonard: if a form does not have anything set in the action parameter, that means it submits to the current URL?
14:11 druthb can't have eyeballs rollin' around in here. Wouldn't be prudent.
14:10 kf heh
14:10 * druthb rolls them back to kf.
14:03 * kf rolls eyes at the 2 of you
14:02 jcamins druthb: not quite as irrational as π.
14:02 druthb no? Ever rolled a nine-sided die? That'd be pretty wonky.
14:01 * jcamins feels cheated. No irrational dice.
14:01 huginn` druthb: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
14:01 druthb @dice 1d3.14
14:01 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
14:01 jcamins @dice 1dπ
14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
14:00 jcamins @dice 1dpi
14:00 jcamins Okay...
14:00 jcamins That was in the form of sides!
14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
14:00 jcamins @dice 1de
14:00 druthb :P
14:00 jcamins Heh.
14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice can't have fewer than 3 sides.
14:00 jcamins @dice 1d1
13:59 druthb Wondered if it'd let you do that.
13:59 huginn` druthb: 3
13:59 druthb @dice 1d9
13:59 druthb hm.
13:55 vfernandes nice :)
13:55 kf vfernandes: yes
13:55 huginn` kf: 2, 6, and 1
13:55 kf @dice 3d8
13:55 vfernandes XSLTResultsDisplay for Staff client works?
13:53 huginn` kf: 1, 1, and 5
13:53 kf @dice 3d6
13:52 kf let me roll them...
13:52 huginn` jcamins: 3, 11, and 15
13:52 jcamins @dice 3d20
13:52 huginn` jcamins: 3, 4, and 5
13:52 jcamins @dice 3d6
13:52 huginn` oleonard: Error: There is no command "factoids".
13:52 oleonard @help Factoids
13:51 huginn` jcamins: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, Network, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, ReleaseDay, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
13:51 jcamins @list
13:51 huginn` jcamins: Error: 'plugins' is not a valid plugin.
13:51 jcamins @list plugins
13:51 huginn` jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:51 jcamins @plugins
13:51 huginn` jcamins: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
13:51 jcamins @help
13:51 huginn` jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes
13:51 jcamins @roll 3d6
13:49 libsysguy :D
13:46 druthb kf++ libsysguy++
13:45 libsysguy http://www.ainself.net/irony/macros/donotwant.jpg
13:44 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
13:44 kf we should use more marc
13:44 kf we shoudl use more marc
13:44 jcamins lol
13:44 libsysguy this is turning into quite the haiku
13:43 jcamins should we have more marc?
13:43 jcamins let's add more marc?
13:43 jcamins let's add more work?
13:43 jcamins more marc?
13:42 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
13:42 huginn` GERMS!!!!
13:32 tcohen :)
13:31 jcamins No, your question was perfectly idiomatic. I just didn't understand it. :)
13:30 tcohen i have issues with my english heh
13:30 jcamins I thought that was a question about what "it" currently said.
13:30 tcohen thx
13:30 jcamins Yes.
13:30 jcamins Oh!
13:30 tcohen sounds ok?
13:30 tcohen "Instance XX disabled. No action taken."
13:29 jcamins tcohen: what?
13:29 wahanui i heard anyone was free to organize one at any time :-)
13:29 tcohen anyone please?
13:26 tcohen how does it read?: "Instance XX disabled. No action taken."
13:24 libsysguy true that
13:23 jcamins libsysguy: at least it wasn't running on a production server.
13:23 druthb lol
13:23 libsysguy *sigh*
13:23 libsysguy so I had close to a billion rows in a rel table this morning
13:23 druthb whoa!
13:22 libsysguy yeah…i forgot to increment the counter in my script
13:22 druthb >.<
13:22 libsysguy but one is really costing me time today
13:22 druthb oh?
13:22 libsysguy well two really
13:22 libsysguy I made a newb mistake on friday
13:22 libsysguy heya Ruthie :)
13:22 druthb hi, libsysguy! :)
13:19 magnuse "put a path to define a xslt file" - i interpret that as saying that an absolute path should work
13:13 vfernandes let me try it
13:12 jcamins That is my understanding.
13:12 vfernandes and then put the name in the sysprefs?
13:11 jcamins vfernandes: I think in the same directory the default ones are in, but I'm actually not sure.
13:10 vfernandes another question: OPAC and intranet XSLT, where should I put the files locally in the server?
13:09 * magnuse starts to look forward to the release notes
13:09 magnuse hehe
13:09 jcamins You're going to get 40 pages of release notes written in the same style! Bwahahaha!
13:09 jcamins magnuse: you've seen my bug reports.
13:09 magnuse lolwhat?
13:08 jcamins Or, if you want release notes that take the features they describe seriously, you could write parts yourself. :P
13:07 magnuse guess we'll just have to live with it...
12:59 jcamins On the subject of which, I would just like to point out to everyone that y'all elected me to be the one to write the release notes.
12:55 * jcamins narrowly talks himself out of filing a bug "receiving items causes Plack nosebleeds."
12:54 jcamins So, apparently I never understood what receiving items in acquisitions was supposed to do, because it doesn't work under Plack.
12:53 jcamins Right.
12:53 talljoy i'm reading it that there is just no link. which is what i expected for all these newer bibs.
12:53 jcamins talljoy: yes. I thought I had patched that, but I've definitely seen it before.
12:52 jcamins I don't know how I ever tested anything.
12:52 talljoy quick one. is this a 'normal' error when running the linker: http://pastebin.com/RfaVZn0G
12:52 jcamins Acq is not Plack-safe.
12:52 talljoy lol
12:52 jcamins talljoy: sure.
12:52 talljoy ol
12:52 jcamins Oh, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
12:52 talljoy jcamins i'm happy to interrupt with a question about your favorite subject->authorities.
12:51 magnuse well, some people like to jump off cliffs with only a piece of fabric to keep them safe...
12:49 jcamins Certainly not for my health!
12:49 jcamins magnuse: why do you think I'm looking at it? :P
12:49 magnuse patches are welcome ;-)
12:47 jcamins The horror, the horror.
12:44 jcamins oleonard: something like that.
12:44 oleonard Nothing like some acquisitions to get your Monday started right eh jcamins?
12:42 druthb :P
12:42 jcamins Well, that was a kind of pointy hand wave. You could've poked my eye out with that! :P
12:42 jcamins Hehe.
12:42 druthb glad you clarified, jcamins. thought I'd startled you or something.
12:42 magnuse hiya tcohen
12:42 magnuse there be monsters
12:41 * druthb blinks.
12:41 magnuse lol
12:41 * jcamins is looking at acq.
12:41 jcamins Ohhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! My eyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:41 druthb o/
12:41 tcohen morning magnuse jcamins
12:41 magnuse yeah, right ;-)
12:39 jcamins That was not part of my reasoning, actually.
12:39 jcamins Hehe.
12:39 magnuse sounds like it was carefully planned...
12:38 * jcamins was the first person in all his friends to be allowed to legally drink... three days after my 18th birthday I went on a trip to a country with a drinking age of 18.
12:38 jcamins lol
12:38 * oleonard congratulates jcamins on being old enough to drink now, even if he doesn't want to
12:38 jcamins Thanks.
12:37 oleonard Yes, happy belated birthday jcamins
12:37 magnuse jcamins: happy belated birthday!
12:36 magnuse oleonard: jcamins was 28th, according to teh facebooks
12:34 oleonard The trouble with these New Zealanders setting birthday topics is you can never be sure what day they're talking about...
12:26 mtj just about to head to bed, now
12:26 mtj ..zzzZZZ
12:23 jcamins mtj: isn't it a bit late for you?
12:07 mtj awesome :)
12:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Undefined value stops import from z39.50
12:02 jcamins Bug 5333.
12:01 jcamins I think it's fixed in 3.10.4.
12:00 mtj vfernandes, still sounds like a bug tho :(
11:54 vfernandes solved: z3950NormalizeAuthor z3950AuthorAuthFields off .D
11:43 vfernandes Koha 3.10.2
11:41 vfernandes can anyone help me? I'm having a problem when importing z39.50 records All arguments must be MARC::Field objects at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 150.
11:40 vfernandes hi people :)
11:40 drojf crossposting--
11:13 magnuse yay!
11:11 mtj yeah - i'm keen to try, at least
11:11 magnuse only one way to find out :-)
11:08 mtj no idea how tricky it is
11:07 mtj heres some perlcritic doco, for the curious -> http://search.cpan.org/~thaljef/Perl-Critic-1.118/lib/Perl/Critic/DEVELOPER.pod
11:06 mtj js syntax bugs that break translation, etc
11:05 mtj … would be very handy for spotting template and js bugs
11:05 magnuse mtj: yeah, feel free to do that ;-)
11:02 mtj and detect new errors being added too
11:02 mtj then perlcritic could whizz thru the codebase, and find errors
11:01 mtj those -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
11:01 mtj create some custom perlcritic policies for koha, based on the coding guidelines
11:01 mtj heres a nice side-project idea...
10:31 rangi hmm i found some with bad FSF addresses
10:28 wizzyrea hehe
10:27 mtj derp
10:25 rangi :)
10:25 rangi $hasorlater = 1 if ($line =~ /any later version/ ||
10:25 rangi thats already there
10:25 mtj … and the all important 'or later' bit, too :)
10:24 rangi oughta do it
10:24 rangi to do /either version (2|3)/
10:24 rangi that line
10:24 rangi $hasv2 = 1 if ($line =~ /either version 2/);
10:23 rangi find-license-problems
10:23 rangi it just needs to be updated to not baulk on gpl3
10:23 rangi yep, it should check that too
10:22 mtj without any copyright line(s)?
10:21 mtj so, when you say 'without header' - you mean something else?
10:20 mtj ah yep
10:20 rangi look in xt/
10:19 rangi and the fsf address
10:19 rangi the gpl one
10:19 rangi oh thats there already
10:12 mtj (one of the reasons why i never got round to doing it)
10:12 mtj the added copyright lines on files like updatedatabase.pl could be a bit erm… excessive
10:10 mtj yeah, that too… a script to add/update missing koha/gpl headers
10:08 rangi its fun
10:08 rangi have a play
10:08 rangi https://code.google.com/p/gitinspector/
10:07 rangi and decide
10:07 rangi then a human could git blame it
10:07 rangi i think a human would be better a script to find any without a header tho would be good
10:06 mtj ive sometimes though of a script to add missing 'copyright' lines to each file in koha...
10:06 wahanui gimmie six!
10:06 wizzyrea highfive!
10:05 rangi quite handy
10:05 rangi yeah its using git blame to work it out
10:04 mtj ... and the second table - ive never seen that stat before
10:04 rangi (only looking at the .pl and .pm files)
10:04 rangi mtj: http://stats.workbuffer.org/statistics-perlonly.html
10:01 mtj rangi++ woah nice!!!
10:00 samuel i've a question about git install. I've made one with git. When i make "git status", i'm on "v3.10.04'' branch but after installation,i've v3.11
09:59 rangi heh
09:59 magnuse rangi: yay for counting the sql files ;-)
09:58 samuel hi everybody
09:41 kf heh :)
09:41 rangi specially in light of the opensource article and copyright bit
09:40 rangi but interesting nonetheless
09:40 rangi hence the big numbers for the ppl who do their language .sql ones
09:39 rangi its counting the .sql files too
09:39 * kf checks
09:38 rangi Below are the number of rows from each author that have survived and are still intact in the current revision.
09:38 * kf wanders off to find lunch too - meeting later
09:38 rangi the second table is interesting
09:38 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/statistics.html
09:21 drojf :)
09:21 kf :)
09:21 * magnuse wanders off to find lunch
09:21 magnuse it felt like a huge thing though - my first ever contribution to a free software project!
09:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3751 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, magnus, CLOSED FIXED, Typo in marc21_field_008.pl
09:20 magnuse bug 3751 was my first - it removed one char :-)
09:18 magnuse rangi++
09:18 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/magnus.txt
09:18 kf but I coudl follow |Lupin|'s steps
09:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3464 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, borrowers table should contain country information for libraries with international patron populations
09:17 kf bug 3464
09:16 kf funnily I think my first patch was probably my most complicated
09:16 magnuse hm, if jcamins pushes my two passed qa normarc patches before wizzyrea has anything more pushed we will be even :-)
09:15 kf drojf++
09:14 rangi 2 secs
09:12 * magnuse is trying to catch up with wizzyrea in number of patches...
09:12 magnuse rangi: yes please :-)
09:12 drojf i think it was the coolest too :) and the one where i learned the most
09:11 kf I think the html5 one was quite big
09:11 kf drojf: but lots of code in each, much more than in most of mine
09:08 wizzyrea rangi++ those are fun
09:07 drojf thanks! even smaller than i thought ^^
09:05 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/mirko.txt
09:04 drojf that should be small :D
09:03 drojf rangi: do mine please :)
08:59 kf yay :)
08:59 kf 310 :)
08:58 rangi anyone else want one?
08:58 kf rangi++
08:58 kf yay!
08:57 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/katrin.txt
08:56 wizzyrea i'm sure there's one for you too :)
08:56 kf can I haz one too? :)
08:56 kf wizzyrea: nice list :)
08:54 wizzyrea i had to revisit 6574 just today
08:53 rangi yup :)
08:53 wizzyrea small compared to some people, but listed out like that, lots of good memories ^.^
08:51 wizzyrea ha
08:50 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/liz.txt
08:48 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
08:48 rangi interesting
08:48 rangi theres a lot with 1 or 2
08:48 wizzyrea probably the newest.
08:47 wizzyrea least edited?
08:47 wizzyrea kek
08:47 rangi C4/Search.pm................................. 445 353
08:47 wahanui search is for the patrons not the librarians
08:47 wizzyrea search?
08:47 rangi is my most hated
08:47 rangi most edited module
08:46 wizzyrea we do lots of fiddling about in there.
08:46 * wizzyrea is not surprised by that either
08:46 rangi 870 commits, 714 active days
08:46 rangi updatedatebase is our most updated file
08:46 rangi interesting, but not really suprising
08:43 wizzyrea derp
08:42 wizzyrea never mind! really obviously in ... biblioimages
08:42 rangi not me
08:42 wizzyrea if anybody knows off of the top of their head
08:41 wizzyrea where in the db are the local cover images stored </lazyweb>
08:40 rangi but you can go down to 32 bit from 64 .. the other way is an issue :)
08:40 rangi yeah that totally wouldnt work the other way around
08:38 wizzyrea i recall it didn't work well... but actually now that I'm thinking about it maybe it was the other way around, and I was doing amd64 on an i386... either way it was painful until I ejected the CD and noticed I'd put in the wrong one. (no, it wasn't one of my finer moments)
08:12 rangi heh
08:11 magnuse pft, ram - who needs it
07:58 rangi with the exception of not being able to see all your ram that is
07:57 rangi that works much better than the other way round
07:57 * wizzyrea facepalms
07:57 wizzyrea yay for embarrassing admissions!
07:56 wizzyrea bother.
07:56 wizzyrea oh he's gone.
07:56 wizzyrea dcook, I had issues like that when I stupidly tried to use i386 arch on an amd64 machine >.<
07:35 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:35 dcook night all
07:35 dcook Oh well. I'll buy a new box (the last ones were spares) and see if using functional equipment helps
07:34 dcook So I was able to use a mirror (since I only downloaded the 1st disk)
07:33 dcook Mind you, my internet connection was magnitudes quicker than this one...
07:33 dcook When I installed Debian on a VM on my laptop, worked like a dream
07:33 dcook I assume it was an issue with the install..
07:32 dcook Got it installed at one point, but I couldn't download any packages of any kind
07:32 rangi yuck
07:32 dcook Bad RAM/motherboard...ended up freezing quite routinely
07:31 * dcook tried to install Debian on a box this weekend
07:31 dcook Hmm, in any case, I had best head off!
07:31 dcook Actually, even if you do want to re-write your shortcomings, deadlines don't always allow it...
07:30 magnuse i think that second point is the central one, yes...
07:30 dcook But at the same time if you've developed too much, you back yourself into a corner and don't necessarily want to re-write your short-comings...
07:30 dcook I suppose you want to give a user a product with enough functions that they won't complain about things you're planning to offer
07:29 magnuse one vendor launched a new opac some years ago, and i was invited to be one of the first to test. when we asked if they were going to test it on real users they said "sure, when it is a bit more finished"...
07:29 * dcook really needs to check out ALIA and see what's going on in Australia
07:28 dcook The public libraries provide pretty good traditional services, but nothing too innovative that I've noticed
07:28 dcook Our national library is falling apart though
07:28 * dcook wishes that Canada was doing more interesting things in libraries...
07:28 dcook Sounds like Oslo is a pretty good place to be for libraries right now
07:26 magnuse and they are doing *actual user testing* - something norwegian vendors never, ever do
07:25 dcook :D
07:25 magnuse i think it has been a very empowering experience for them
07:25 magnuse and they are doing the development in house, so they have complete control of the project
07:25 dcook Looks neat, magnuse
07:24 rangi nice
07:23 magnuse they even had the physical "stations" made by a local carpenter
07:23 magnuse another cool project from OPL, based on marc2rdf: http://digital.deichman.no/blog/2012/10/16/active-shelves/
07:22 wizzyrea frackin content owners
07:22 wizzyrea ecause they can't get publishers to go along with it >.<
07:22 rangi yeah that is sweet magnuse
07:22 dcook Once upon a time, I worked for a library that talked about hosting its own ebooks, but...I don't think anything came of it
07:21 magnuse dcook: not the least of which is https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf
07:21 wizzyrea more of the same.
07:21 wizzyrea yea it's supposed to be great but just ends up being bleh.
07:21 magnuse rangi: cool! i just might do that
07:20 rangi you are welcome to use that template if it is any use for you
07:20 magnuse dcook: Oslo public library are doing a lot of cool things
07:20 rangi magnuse: it's not
07:20 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commit/356eaf610ece6a690e40f43395cb38a3992b214d
07:20 magnuse how is that article describing a "revolutionary distribution model"?
07:19 rangi as a nice distribution mechanism
07:19 rangi and combine that with opds
07:19 dcook magnuse: Oslo public library. Nice!
07:19 rangi magnuse: yay!!
07:18 rangi answer is .. its not
07:18 rangi than overdrive
07:18 dcook mhm
07:18 rangi yeah, how is it any different
07:18 magnuse i'm working on a project that tries to get it right - based on unencrypted ePub: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/Ebooksforlib
07:18 dcook rangi: When I first read the link URL, I figured it would be something you love
07:18 dcook "the application of industry-standard DRM on the library’s files; multiple purchases based on demand; and a “click to buy” feature" is the part that stands out to me
07:17 rangi hiya gaetan_B
07:17 magnuse yeah
07:17 rangi and went boo, thats crap
07:17 gaetan_B hello
07:17 rangi then read it
07:17 rangi i thought yay libraries doing it right
07:17 rangi exactly
07:17 magnuse rangi: "industry-standard DRM"?
07:16 dcook hola kf
07:16 * dcook is one paragraph in and now confused..
07:16 rangi hey kf
07:16 rangi and it made me angry
07:16 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:16 huginn` GERMS!!!!
07:15 rangi http://boingboing.net/2012/05/10/libraries-set-out-to-own-their.html
07:15 rangi i read this today
07:15 rangi speaking of mad
07:14 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
07:14 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
07:14 wizzyrea @quote get 123
07:14 huginn` wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
07:14 wizzyrea @uote get 123
07:14 wizzyrea hehe we thrive on madness :)
07:12 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
07:12 dcook @later tell jcamins Happy belated birthday, btw
07:11 dcook You don't even want to hear about some of the other madness
07:11 dcook D'accord
07:11 * rangi goes to make a wallpaper
07:10 rangi thats the least persuasive argument ever, koha should do this cos some other system does it
07:08 dcook Although...it was fun pointing out how the other system actually didn't really achieve its set out goal
07:08 dcook This other system does this
07:08 dcook Actually, my day was more...why doesn't Koha act like this other system?
07:08 dcook That describes my day
07:08 wizzyrea it makes me want to run screaming in circles until I run into a wall and fall down
07:07 wizzyrea and then there's the whole "enumerations are human enterable" thing >.<
07:07 * dcook wishes he had more time
07:06 dcook It looks like I did write a patch as I have descending on my 3.8
07:06 dcook Mhm
07:06 rangi or planneddate desc
07:06 rangi c
07:06 dcook I suppose you could use the..
07:06 rangi maybe chose order by receiveddate dest
07:06 dcook Touché ;)
07:06 rangi it gets mental fast
07:05 dcook Hmm
07:05 dcook Do we mean recent receival or recent publishing
07:05 rangi yeah
07:05 dcook I suppose recent does become somewhat relative then
07:05 rangi or never sent
07:05 rangi in the mail
07:05 rangi cos 2 got lost
07:05 rangi then 2
07:05 rangi yeah but sometimes ppl receive 3
07:05 dcook Planned date being the receival date
07:05 rangi but you could have a syspref to make it recent first, or recent last
07:05 dcook Not if you sort by planned date desc
07:04 rangi its always going to be
07:04 dcook salut alex_a
07:03 dcook Well, I think the server side sort is still off
07:03 alex_a bonjour
07:03 dcook Mmm
07:03 eythian yeah
07:03 rangi i think so
07:02 dcook client-side?
07:02 dcook I assume more sorting was added?
07:02 * dcook is looking at 3.8
07:02 dcook Mmm
07:02 dcook O_o
07:02 rangi yeah
07:02 dcook We can control other factors
07:02 eythian really, we should just turn off sorting on that column. It's not a meaningful thing to do, but by having the option, people think it must be.
07:02 dcook And while we can't control the enumeration
07:02 dcook You should have Vol 6, 5, 4
07:02 dcook So rather than Vol 1, 2, 3
07:01 dcook You should have the most recent enumeration
07:01 rangi so we try and do something tricky and make it worse :)
07:01 dcook What I meant before is..
07:01 dcook For sure
07:01 dcook yeah
07:01 dcook Ahhh
07:01 rangi etc
07:01 rangi leading spaces, punctuation
07:01 dcook Hmm, perhaps
07:01 dcook Sorts by serialid probably
07:01 rangi and sorting that in any kind of useful well is impossible
07:01 dcook Well..
07:01 dcook I'm pretty sure it doesn't do any sorting
07:01 rangi mostly the problem is ppl can put whatever the hell they want in the enumeration
07:00 rangi k
07:00 dcook opac-serial-issues.pl?selectview=full
07:00 dcook rangi: I think the only place there is client side sorting is...
06:59 * dcook realizes that cait is gone
06:59 dcook Wait...
06:59 dcook cait: What is the "serials subscription detail page"?
06:59 rangi is it client side sorting?
06:58 dcook hi jajm :)
06:58 dcook Today I have no book...
06:58 dcook Bought another copy on Saturday...took it to a friend's birthday party...forgot it in my friend's bag (who kept it so I wouldn't forget it at the bar)
06:58 jajm hello
06:58 dcook Side note: I bought a new book on Friday and took it to a friend's engagement party...forgot it at the bar
06:57 dcook or opac-serial-issues.pl?
06:56 dcook So are we talking the "Subscriptions" tab on the detail pages?
06:54 dcook But I can't see any notes now..
06:54 dcook wizzyrea: I swear that I looked at this before
06:51 magnuse lol
06:49 wizzyrea is not so easy smartie
06:49 * eythian clicks on a column header and calls it sorted.
06:48 wizzyrea please someone let me know if you sort it
06:48 wizzyrea OMG I hve been working on that too the fracking serials sorting
06:46 cait bye all :)
06:46 cait nope wahanui, leaving for work :)
06:46 drojf hehe
06:46 wahanui hi cait :) are you around ?
06:46 drojf hi cait :)
06:46 cait bit insane, right?
06:46 dcook Yeah, I see what you're saying now
06:46 * dcook is looking through the bug now
06:46 cait morning drojf :)
06:46 cait not sure I agree with things like this being so complicated
06:45 cait dcook: sorting is off too - but the question was which issues display at all... and that's complicated too
06:45 reiveune hello
06:45 drojf hi dcook
06:45 dcook morning drojf
06:44 drojf good morning #koha
06:44 dcook I think they're being displayed based on...a date perhaps...rather than their enumeration
06:43 dcook I think I might've written a patch for that..
06:43 dcook Mmm
06:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10142 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Unclear which issues show on subscription details issues tab
06:42 cait bug 10142
06:42 cait working through a list of notes from my coworker and answering the question which issues show on the issues tab in serials subscription details turned out to be quite hard to explain
06:41 cait sorry
06:41 wizzyrea hehehe all ok
06:41 cait should be reading back :)
06:41 wahanui hi cait :) are you around ?
06:41 wizzyrea oh hi cait :)
06:41 cait argh
06:41 cait but guided reports is messy too
06:40 cait wizzyrea: no I just meant serials :)
06:39 dcook Seems like it. I suppose it depends on what you want to report.
06:38 wizzyrea though
06:38 wizzyrea guided reports? it's scary. it's good for getting you kind of close to a report you might wnt to use. They almost always require tweaking
06:36 christophe_c hello #koha
06:35 magnuse shocking! ;-)
06:34 cait serials code is a bit messy
06:31 dcook Mhm
06:29 eythian a bit weird and complicated, in my limited experience.
06:28 dcook I always write my own reports. I wonder what the user experience for the guided wizard is like...
06:28 dcook Me too, but I wonder how Koha thinks about it
06:27 eythian fines and stuff I would guess.
06:26 dcook In the Guided Report Wizard
06:26 * dcook wonders what the "Accounts" module is...
06:05 cjh glad it was helpful :)
06:05 wizzyrea packagey things
06:04 wizzyrea the same thing you wrote down before I left last week :)
06:04 cait here
06:04 cait yeah, but will need uli for that, can't reproduce it hee
06:04 cjh wizzyrea: oh what did I write down that was helpful this time?
06:04 eythian cait: the logs will tell you
06:02 cait but a bit sparse for filing a bug report
06:02 cait hm I don't think you have
06:01 dcook I figured that I just clicked on a different link or that I was imagining things
06:01 cait i have seen it on our install at work, and at least once on my dev install
06:01 dcook But yeah, when I tried a second time, it was fine
06:01 dcook I thought I saw that today, cait
06:01 cait has anyone else seen this?
06:01 cait *sigh*
06:01 cait and now of course i can't reproduce it
06:00 cait reloading the pag then brings up the record
06:00 wizzyrea cjh++ for writing all the things down
06:00 cait sometimes when we click on the 'open in opac link' I get a perl error in the opac
06:00 cait hmm
05:57 cjh heh
05:57 cait wonder for how long... it always jumps back to 20 when I turn my back on it
05:57 cait bugs in qa queue down to 16! yay!
05:56 cjh good evening cait :)
05:56 cait hi magnuse and cjh
05:56 magnuse hiya cjh
05:55 cjh hey magnuse :)
05:55 cjh eythian: wow, that is unexpected.
05:55 * magnuse waves
05:39 eythian I wonder if it forces the mod_perl to get restarted every time, but that doesn't make sense either...
05:38 eythian I wonder why.
05:38 * eythian does some benchmarking under different conditions and finds that running with memcache roughly doubles the time for a request.
05:27 dcook Hmm. Don't see anything in our local bug db though...
05:27 wizzyrea :) yea I think I thought it was you
05:27 dcook I seem to remember someone mentioning having troubles trying to delete or replace local cover images
05:26 dcook Mmm, that sounds familiar
05:26 wizzyrea yet*
05:26 wizzyrea something different than that - it looks like if you add, then delete a local cover image it still thinks one exists -- but I'm not 100% certain that's true
05:26 cait ok
05:26 dcook Yep. He had huginn remind me
05:25 cait dcook: did you see jared's question on the ie bug .... i think it was in chat
05:25 dcook wizzyrea: What's the issue that you're encountering?
05:25 dcook But yes, noted ^_^
05:25 dcook I was mostly putting it out there in the hopes that someone more familiar with that part of Koha might have some ideas
05:25 dcook I think I might be a bit out of my depth on that one anyway :p
05:24 dcook Ahh
05:24 cait dcook: 008 etc. - your recent bug report :)
05:24 cait (passing it that is)
05:24 wahanui the plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they?
05:24 dcook cait: the plugins?
05:24 eythian but I might put it off for a while, I'm super busy right now
05:24 cait feel free to use your superpower on it
05:24 cait that would be aswesome
05:24 eythian just reading the patch it looks good to me
05:24 eythian cait: I can try to
05:23 cait to fix translatability
05:23 cait dcook: before you start on the plugins - we got a patch that will change the data structure there
05:23 dcook a while ago in regards to de-duplicating the "no cover image" graphics, but I haven't done any work on it yet
05:23 dcook I also opened 9991
05:22 cait eythian: could you take a look at 10084 too maybe?
05:22 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
05:22 dcook @later tell jcamins Yeah, it's fine if you give Edmund credit for 8264
05:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Passed QA , local cover images not working in IE8
05:21 dcook also in relation to IE
05:21 dcook bug 8264
05:21 * dcook waves to cait :)
05:21 * cait waves
05:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists
05:20 dcook Should be bug 9737, I think
05:20 * wizzyrea is looking at something similar, would rather not duplicate work if possible
05:20 wizzyrea if you remember
05:20 wizzyrea what was the bug number for that?
05:20 dcook Yep
05:20 dcook I was looking at the displacement/deletion of local cover images by Amazon images
05:20 wizzyrea but you were looking at strange displacements caused by book covers or lack thereof?
05:19 dcook Not caused by local covers, me thinks
05:19 * dcook ponders
05:19 wizzyrea were you looking at the strange displacement of book covers caused by the local cover images?
05:19 dcook What's up, wizzyrea?
05:18 dcook Ish
05:18 wizzyrea dcook about?
04:43 cait hi eythian :)
04:42 eythian hi cait
02:55 wizzyrea it's really cool, totally worth the 8 minutes
02:49 mtj cool, will watch that one
02:35 wizzyrea keke http://www.ted.com/talks/edith_widder_how_we_found_the_giant_squid.html
02:33 wizzyrea i thought there was another one a month or so ago too
02:33 wizzyrea does it seem there are more of these washing up?
02:33 wizzyrea *nod*
02:31 mtj the 2nd pic is impressive
02:23 wizzyrea still that's a lot of calamari :P
02:23 wizzyrea only 1m tho, smaller than the one at Te Papa
02:23 wizzyrea whoa
02:17 mtj woah, giant squid -> http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/8609575/Giant-squid-washes-up-on-coast
02:12 mtj ok, i didnt think even a patch existed
02:11 jcamins mtj: as I said, I think there may be a new patch for that, but I don't know what its status is.
02:06 mtj would be handy
02:06 mtj hmm, i dont think a total for fines or number-of-items exists yet
01:56 jurgens Ok, thanks. Its more just a convenience thing I think than essential, but thanks for letting me know.
01:56 jcamins I'm not sure, though.
01:55 jcamins jurgens: I think there may be a patch adding that which has not yet been tested for inclusion in Koha yet.
01:55 jurgens I'm happy with a fine per item list/summary.. just wondering if you could total the fine in the notice too?
01:55 jurgens Hi, I was on here earlier today, and thanks for the help with including fines in overdue notices. As a side question, I usually include a count to say that you have x amount of late items and then give a more detailed list of the items.. is it possible to include a you have a total of x fines as well?
01:54 * jcamins has successfully implemented something using IndexedDB. It's a miracle!
01:12 mtj but, yeah, its a bit of a silly patch really - a very verbose no-op :)
01:10 mtj i thought a 'longhand' version would be informative, for the curious :)
01:09 mtj yep, or delete the file, or add a longhand version
01:08 eythian so I guess you can just provide a file that says '# This file intentionally left blank'
01:07 mtj yep, pretty much :)
01:07 eythian OK, that's exactly the default, so a perltidyrc isn't necessary.
01:06 mtj yeah
01:06 eythian you mean perlstyle?
01:06 eythian what's 'wall'? It's not defined in the man page.
01:05 mtj eythian, we decided on the default (wall) style, i think
01:05 eythian actually, turns out I've been using exactly the defaults provided by perltidy.
01:04 mtj chris, i think your 9949 patch blew up the qa-tool.pl :D
01:04 eythian there was a bit of a discussion about it a while back
01:04 eythian didn't we decide on a perltidy that was only very slightly different from the standard perltidy defaults with PBP defaults?
00:54 rangi *nod*
00:53 mtj lol - if i had worded the bug title better, it would have been pushed without question
00:51 mtj fyi: i didnt realise any of that until now (or had forgotten?)
00:50 rangi so i dont get confused again :)
00:50 rangi it's now update perltidyrc file
00:50 rangi done
00:49 rangi ahh we should update the bug then
00:49 mtj but… its old, outdated and incorrect
00:48 mtj heh, we do :)
00:48 rangi guess not
00:47 rangi mtj: dont we already have a perltidyrc ?
00:08 mib_ed4en6 Thank you very much :)
00:08 rangi but yes if not what you said will work
00:07 rangi the upgrade should fix that <fine> syntax for you
00:07 rangi ahh you shouldnt need to
00:07 mib_ed4en6 I'll definitley read the bug, I meant after the upgrade, sorry.
00:07 rangi and the upgrade will fix your fine notices
00:06 rangi not until you upgrade
00:06 rangi no
00:06 mib_ed4en6 Great.. so i can just stick <<items.fine>> between the <item></item> ?
00:06 rangi you can read that full bug report if you like :)
00:06 rangi yes, that won't work
00:05 mib_ed4en6 i've used <item>......<fine>USD</fine> </tem>
00:05 rangi when you have upgraded
00:05 rangi <<items.fine>> is what you need
00:05 rangi fix is in 3.10.5
00:05 huginn` 04Bug 8378: major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
00:05 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378
00:04 rangi yep
00:04 mib_ed4en6 hi all. I'm having trouble getting my overdue notices to include the fine for each item, or even just an overall fine for the patron. I'm running 3.10.4 and will update today/tomorrow. Is it infact possible to have the fine amount included in the overdue notices?
00:03 mtj ok, ill just pass then :)
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00:00 rangi with a txt file that tells people to get them from there
00:00 rangi put them there