Time Nick Message 23:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1148 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1146 1 day 10 hr ago) 23:52 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_master build scheduled now 23:52 jcamins !jenkins build Koha_master now 23:52 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*' 23:52 jcamins !jenkins build master now 23:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) 23:43 jenkins_koha Adrien Saurat: Bug 9484: userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) 23:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #304: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/304/ 23:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #304 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4862 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Stable , "Browse by subject" is misnamed 23:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add time due to slips 23:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9479 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , The member notices page does not display dates in the syspref format 23:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) 23:05 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: bug 4862 - Change label of Browse by subject or author to Authority search 23:05 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9479: FIX conflict with Bug 9014 23:05 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9479: The member notices page doesn't display dates in the syspref format 23:05 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9484: userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) 23:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #103: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/103/ 22:40 rambutan I vote for Thailand. 22:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #103 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8508 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Holds to Pull : Library dropdown options are erroneously concatenated by br tags 22:23 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8508: Followup: Simplify the separateData js function 22:23 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 8508 - Holds to Pull : Library dropdown options are erroneously concatenated by br tags 22:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #102: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/102/ 21:42 rangi hi tcohen 21:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #102 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:40 tcohen hi rangi 21:28 rangi cya magnuse 21:27 magnuse have fun #koha! 21:27 magnuse jcamins: hehe 21:27 magnuse and i better catch some sleep 21:27 jcamins I think I called for sending an e-mail to the list and not making _me_ think about it. 21:27 magnuse oh well, we will get there 21:26 magnuse yeah, i tried to bring it up one or two meetings ago, but i think people found tit too early 21:26 rangi its almost time to start the proposals for that actualy 21:25 rangi :) 21:25 magnuse yeah, i'm curious about the location for kohacon14... ;-) 21:25 rangi yep that makes sense 21:24 magnuse my wife will be taking a year off work to stay home with leonard until he is 2, so we better save money where we can... 21:24 rangi but understandable 21:24 rangi ahh stink 21:24 magnuse sadly 21:24 magnuse thinking yes, going no. 21:24 rangi are you thinking of coming to kohacon magnuse ? 21:23 rangi nice :) 21:23 magnuse the upgrade itself took 2 minutes, tops. for 48 instances 21:23 rangi :) 21:23 jcamins Just none good. 21:23 jcamins There are many excuses. 21:22 rangi so there is not excuse to use versions with bugs/security issues 21:22 magnuse (because i updated the templates/installed 2 translations) 21:22 rangi under 10 minutes for a point upgrade is what i aim for 21:21 rangi *nod* 21:21 magnuse just did 3.10.4 -> 3.10.5, in 12 minutes, most of which was spent shuffling tiny_mce files around 21:20 magnuse i will upgrade quickly to 3.12.x i think 21:20 magnuse no problem 21:19 jcamins Not so good for backporting. 21:18 rangi probably not, but 3.12.0 is only a month away :) 21:18 magnuse rangi: planning to have it in 3.10.x? 21:17 magnuse w00t! :-) 21:17 rangi not long now :) 21:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 21:16 * magnuse can't wait to upgrade to a koha version that incorporates bug 9172 21:16 magnuse :-) 21:15 drojf group yawn! 21:10 * magnuse yawns 20:55 cait night all :) 20:49 jcamins I love it when that happens. 20:47 nengard thanks 20:47 nengard jcamins looks good to me! 20:42 jcamins I just spot-checked a few codes. 20:41 jcamins I'm not sure- I didn't check. 20:40 nengard i might have done my pull too early this morning 20:40 nengard let me check 20:40 nengard oh? oooo 20:40 jcamins The bug report. 20:39 jcamins I pushed a patch updating MARC21 frameworks to Update 15. 20:39 nengard or something else 20:39 nengard my bug report? 20:39 nengard what are we talking about? 20:39 jcamins This morning. 20:39 jcamins Wait. 20:39 nengard ?? 20:39 jcamins nengard: those weren't added yesterday? 20:36 * mtompset waves bye. 20:27 alohabot Hi mib_2zml2n, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 20:20 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KiwiLibrarian: "@martinhathaway @ranginui We love Koha here in South Taranaki. Enjoy. #KohaILS" 20:17 druthb :P 20:17 drojf hi cait and druthb (i see you in the log) 20:17 drojf like a revolving door 20:17 drojf hey that was fun 20:16 druthb hi, drojf! :) 20:15 cait hey drojf 20:15 * drojf peeks in 20:15 oleonard See you later #koha. 20:08 rangi hehe more ignore whitespace 20:07 cait hehe 20:07 oleonard Short for "git blame -why-on-earth-did-you-do-that" 20:07 rangi so you can still see the actual changes 20:07 cait morning rangi 20:07 rangi git blame -w 20:06 jcamins No changes to get in the way during string freeze so you have ~1.25 months. 20:05 rangi yeah git log and diff can ignore the whitespace changes 20:05 jcamins And now is the time to do it. 20:05 jcamins oleonard: might as well. 20:04 cait oleonard: go for it :) 20:02 druthb oleonard++ 20:00 oleonard Sorry, or you're welcome, depending on your point of view. 19:59 oleonard I'm re-indenting the hell out of these OPAC templates. 19:35 cait yes 19:35 cait lol 19:35 oleonard rangi wasn't here for 3 minutes! That was scary. 19:30 jcamins It's a really good idea. 19:27 oleonard I've only read up on it 19:27 jcamins Played around with it, of course, but no major projects. 19:27 jcamins Not a lot. 19:26 oleonard Had you worked under MVC before? 19:25 jcamins It's really nice, actually. 19:25 jcamins A friend recommended it. 19:25 oleonard Why did you choose that? 19:25 oleonard Hunh, haven't heard of that. 19:24 jcamins Yeah, Laravel. 19:24 oleonard jcamins: Are you using a PHP framework for Biblionarrator? 19:18 cait jcamins++ 19:18 phasefx jcamins: cait: that did the trick, thanks! 19:17 jcamins Made it easier. 19:17 jcamins Yep. 19:16 oleonard Oh, on-the-fly compiling if you're in "dev mode" ? 19:14 jcamins oleonard: this is what I did with developing vs production and LESS: https://github.com/jcamins/biblionarrator/blob/master/application/views/layouts/main.blade.php#L14 19:13 jcamins Nope. 19:13 cait what he said :) 19:13 phasefx jcamins++ is this abnormal? 19:13 jcamins Or wait another few minutes and it'll catch up when the cron job fires. 19:13 jcamins Run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z (-x) if it isn't in your cron. 19:12 jcamins phasefx: the Zebra index has fallen behind. 19:09 phasefx hey folks, I'm a relative newbie, mostly familiar with Evergreen. if in Koha search results a record is described one way (say, a physical description that mentions 6 videocassettes), but the MARC record was actually changed and it should be 3 dvd's, and you only see that when you go into the record details page, what could be causing that? Actual item information is also off 19:05 oleonard Theoretically we should have a whole "build" folder in the templates for stuff that gets compiled and processed 19:04 oleonard I'm giving it a try jcamins. Not sure how it's going to fit into the workflow, or where the less file should live. 19:04 jcamins It is referring to whatever commits are in that branch that are not in master. 19:04 mtompset "Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 3 commits." -- is that referring to the commits I made before making other branches? 19:03 jcamins oleonard: BTW, what was your response to rangi's suggestion about LESS? 19:01 oleonard wizzyrea: ? 19:01 jcamins wizzyrea: what's wrong with local holds? 19:00 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Serial Subscriptions in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/ENpRVmHxiW" 19:00 tweetbot [off] twitter: @wizzyrea: "I wish we had never added local hold to #kohails #rpt" 18:59 alohabot Hi mib_npqy25, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 18:48 mtompset Ah, okay... file "gone". :) 18:47 mtompset I'll git add, commit, and retry again. 18:46 mtompset that was the previous commit before trying to rebase with master. 18:46 oleonard mtompset: Did you "git add" the files you added? 18:45 oleonard It would if those files were added and committed. 18:45 mtompset okay, I'm confused. I thought that "git checkout -b new_branch vtag" would have "deleted" files created on the existing branch. 18:45 cait bye tcohen 18:44 tcohen bye #koha 18:44 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Texas Library Conference http://t.co/txRW57Rmbu #kohails" 18:38 mtompset gmcharlt++ 18:38 mtompset thanks, gmcharlt! 18:37 gmcharlt mtompset: git tag -l 18:36 mtompset okay, next git question. How do I know what tags exist, such that I could create a branch based on something ancient (3.0.x for example)? 18:28 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Serial Subscriptions in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/AO3QP5V6E4 #kohails" 18:25 oleonard I'm making so many changes to the OPAC for the redesign I want to change ALL THE THINGS 18:24 oleonard *sigh* So much to learn, so much to do... 18:23 jcamins We could minify all our JS, and it would all be cached anyway. 18:23 jcamins Agreed. 18:22 oleonard for instance: Go ahead and load JS relevent to the Cart even if it isn't enabled for the sake of being able to move it out of the .tt file 18:21 jcamins I would tend to think it would be. 18:21 oleonard We do a lot of template processing inside JavaScript. I wonder if it would be better to make it more abstract and not worry about the increased amount of JS that might be loaded as a result 18:12 jcamins Yup. 18:12 oleonard Oh is that what Biblionarrator is written in? 18:12 jcamins PHP. 18:11 oleonard But you're looking at the Perl version? 18:11 jcamins oleonard: I'll be changing to either mustache or twig for Biblionarrator, though, and I'm leaning toward mustache because it's more cross-platform. 18:11 jcamins Hehe. 18:10 tcohen and no, I don't think a mustache will fit your face jcamins :-P 18:10 tcohen translators should *Always* be happy 18:08 oleonard I keep thinking it would help us keep JS separate from templates and still be able to keep translators happy, but I don't know if that's right 18:08 oleonard No, but whenever I look at templates like oapc-results.tt and its huge swaths of JS building HTML I think maybe I should 18:07 jcamins Have you used it? 18:07 jcamins It would've been perfect for Template::Plugin::MARC. 18:07 jcamins oleonard: I have not been, but I'm thinking I might start. 18:06 oleonard jcamins: Did I hear you say you use mustache? 17:49 alphaman gotta go home and see if I still have a VAX/OpenVMS kit lying around 17:48 druthb hehehehe 17:48 jcamins Hehe. 17:48 alphaman errmuhgawsh, I've got a VAX on my Mac… (just downloaded SIMH) 17:45 tcohen :-P 17:45 jcamins I could tell you, but if I told you I'd have to kill you. :P 17:45 druthb He's *way* too smart for that 17:45 tcohen heh, do u work for the CIA or smth? 17:44 jcamins tcohen: with the unit tests you're just about to write? :) 17:44 tcohen (at lib-level) 17:43 tcohen how are we testing CGI-related stuff? 17:42 druthb heh 17:42 alphaman half a gig of RAM and a 4 gig SCSI disk — sounds like one of my old Alphas… :) 17:41 druthb Half a gig of RAM, and a 4 gig SSHD. It ran *hog slow*, but it ran, and I could search for my (two) biblios. 17:41 alphaman sign of a true hacker: "to see if I could" 17:40 druthb SIMH emulates an MV 3900, so it's *possible*, maybe. 17:40 alphaman But the Alpha could pipeline 'em, and ran *much* faster 17:40 druthb alphaman, you tempt me. I did get Koha running on a little Asus Eee 900 during KohaCon '09, mostly to see if I could. 17:40 alphaman A VAX could do in one instruction what it might take dozens on an Alpha. 17:39 alphaman Alpha was RISC. 17:39 tcohen RISC? 17:39 alphaman Yeah, but it was CISC. Fewer instructions, smaller code. 17:38 druthb You'd almost have to do it on Alpha. 17:38 druthb See, the kick with porting (most anything) to VAX VMS, is that on those boxes, 32 MB of RAM was considered a *lot*. 17:38 alphaman Used to be a port of MySQL available. Not sure if Oracle quashed that dev or not... 17:38 oleonard In that case I'll be young forever 17:37 druthb Knowing how to sysadmin a DRA Classic box would count. 17:37 alphaman makes sense. 17:37 oleonard I dunno, what counts? 17:37 druthb oleonard, you're not middle-aged yet! 17:37 tcohen alphaman: you can run the zebra server in a separate server anyway ;) 17:37 druthb *snrk* 17:35 tcohen bye amitgupta_ 17:35 oleonard I felt my ears burning earlier. Turns out it was when you guys were talking about middle-aged programmers... 17:35 amitgupta_ good night all... 17:22 tcohen i like that one :-D 17:22 vfernandes that's it :) 17:21 jcamins That's the one. 17:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page 17:21 vfernandes bug 9735 17:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add support to notices for hourly loans 17:20 vfernandes bug 9725 17:20 jcamins tcohen: do you have the bug number? 17:20 jcamins Oh well. 17:20 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9018 normal, P5 - low, ---, druthb, NEW , Po file for ccsr theme missing on translate.koha-community.org 17:20 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page 17:20 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7541 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , News items won't display for translated dialects 17:20 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8783 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT 17:20 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug 17:19 jcamins @query opac language 17:19 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page 17:19 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7541 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , News items won't display for translated dialects 17:19 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8783 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT 17:19 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ... 17:19 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug 17:19 jcamins @query language 17:19 jcamins You can search for it. 17:19 jcamins Yes. 17:19 vfernandes its a bug open? 17:18 jcamins There is a patch for that. 17:17 vfernandes one question: it's possible to redirect in a new page directly to OPAC in X language? 17:17 wahanui hello, vfernandes 17:17 vfernandes hi 17:16 libsysguy ^^ 17:15 gmcharlt i.e., they are willing to be exploited 17:15 gmcharlt key line from that article: "The young can easily pull all-nighters." 17:14 alphaman I thought it was the old dancing baby from the 90s 17:14 druthb libsysguy is just a baby. 17:14 libsysguy hehe 17:14 libsysguy btw thats my picture in the article :p 17:14 druthb *snrk* 17:14 * alphaman too 17:14 * libsysguy is too 17:13 * druthb is feeling her age... 17:13 druthb ITS? wowie. 17:12 libsysguy agh I am almost at my prime http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-industry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age 17:11 alphaman or maybe it was Bob Supnik. 17:11 druthb ooo…that'll do the oldy moldy stuff…. PDP! 17:10 alphaman aha! SIMH, originally written by Bill Ackerman, IIRC: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/ 17:10 druthb ….until some person (a #koha geek, lately) stole his power-supply and put an empty PS chassis in the box in its' place. 17:10 jcamins :P 17:10 jcamins druthb: ... but you taught it MARC and got extra credit? 17:10 druthb yeah, it was a lot of fun. The teacher challenged us each day to try to break his box before he got there in the morning, using hardcore tricks. VMS being kind of hard to hack, this was a hefty challenge that eluded most of the class 17:08 alphaman hardcore 17:07 druthb I took the two-week Internals class from DEC in '95. Oodles of fun, that. 17:07 alphaman Updated version of free Alphaserver emulator for Windows available: http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=13/02/05/0029831 17:06 alphaman up to 32,767 versions 17:06 alphaman yup 17:05 druthb It does, gmcharlt. 17:05 gmcharlt am I remembering correctly that VMS does file versioning by default? 17:05 alphaman the library would isolate that to a great extent, fortunately 17:04 alphaman but yeah, no small task. 17:04 druthb The problem would probably lie in the territory of how it thinks about filesystems. VMS is Just Really Different. 17:04 alphaman there's a C portability library for VMS that might help. 17:04 jcamins C. 17:04 jcamins Nope. 17:04 alphaman I too much of a n00b w/ Koha (I'm learning, here) — is Zebra in .pl too? 17:03 druthb Getting Zebra healthy on VMS?…that'd be a trip. 17:03 alphaman lol 17:03 druthb *snort* You could *theoretically* get it working on Tru64, if you can get Zebra breathing. 17:02 alphaman VMS has a port of Perl 5.whatever... 17:02 jcamins He's happy with that. 17:02 alphaman So, you gonna port Koha using VMS or Tru64? 17:02 * jcamins never used VMS. 17:01 druthb Last VMS shop I was at used AS4100s, rackmounts, with a *few* running Tru64. 17:00 druthb I never worked with a DS-series box, but heard good things about 'em. 17:00 * tcohen is back online 17:00 alphaman the RX was a prototype, that never saw the light of day. Only a couple dozen were built, and I was lucky to have one donated to my website. 16:58 alphaman but I kept my favorites: a DS10L rack mount 2U system, and a PC164RX running NT. 16:58 alphaman I sold a pallet full of systems to a reseller in the Pacific NW last year, to clear out my garage when I moved. 16:57 alphaman there are also for$$$ emulators for both VAXen and Alphas. commercial grade stuff. 16:57 druthb jcamins: Such hardware does occasionally get bids. This older 32-bit MV was priced at 350 Buy-it-now. 16:56 druthb That'd be slick, alphaman. I'll poke around. 16:56 alphaman <scratches head, trying to remember name> 16:56 alphaman there's a free emulator you can get, runs on Windows, but I think it can be built on Mac or LInux, too 16:56 jcamins druthb: how much? I can't believe there'd be that many bids. 16:55 druthb I wouldn't mind getting a little alpha box to fiddle around on some time. Pull in some of the old games, and putz around with this and that, just to see if I can 16:54 alphaman well, maybe late 94 16:54 druthb yeah. I'd not been there too long when we got that box and migrated from our old system. 16:54 libsysguy alphaman I got libsysguy from nengard when she came to do my libraries training 16:54 alphaman 2100 came out in 95. 16:53 libsysguy I want to know what wizzyrea is going to do with that raspberry pi box 16:53 alphaman lol — it was an internal DEC marketing spoof, and it stuck with me since the early '90s... 16:53 libsysguy I would have gone with alpha_male alphaman 16:53 druthb The library I was at got their first Alpha (a 2100, pedestal, with dual CPUs) in…hm. 1993 or 4? Something like that. 16:52 alphaman if you couldn't tell by my handle… :) 16:52 alphaman I've got some old Alphas in my garage... 16:51 druthb For many years, the Indian Railway—which is *still* a VMS customer—had the server that held the record for uptime—no reboots in fourteen years or some such. That's one thing I'll give VMS. Serious uptime, hard to kill. 16:50 jcamins Hehe. 16:50 druthb Hi, amitgupta_. :) 16:49 amitgupta_ heya druthb 16:49 druthb The shop I was at was *stoked*, as it'd be a huge improvement. 64 bit! and *tons* more horsepower than our VAXServer 4100. 16:49 * druthb remembers when the *blazingly fast* Alpha 466Mhz processors came out. 16:48 kf bbl :) 16:48 kf time to leave :) 16:48 kf oh sa...of course 16:47 kf koha.... something something... 16:47 jcamins (Oh no! Koha is too big! Biblionarrator for MicroVax!) 16:47 druthb lol 16:47 wahanui http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif 16:47 kf yes no? 16:47 kf i wish I had paid better attention to my russian lessons... 16:46 jcamins Да нет! Коха Ñлышком огромный! Библионарратор за МикроВах! 16:46 * druthb found one on eBay, boots to a login prompt, with a whopping 426MB drive. 16:45 * druthb needs a new hobby, and will port Koha onto the MicroVax platform, just for funsies. (naaaah!) 16:41 jcamins You're welcome. 16:41 jcamins lol 16:41 libsysguy thanks for that 16:41 libsysguy ah yes now I remember how much I hated marc 16:40 libsysguy I'm going to look at your sauce 16:39 jcamins Still, I hate it when I learn that I spent lots of time working on an already-solved problem. 16:38 jcamins Fortunately it works, so that's enough. 16:38 jcamins libsysguy: right, but using mustache would have been less work later. :( 16:38 gmcharlt hi amitgupta_ 16:38 wahanui gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. 16:38 amitgupta_ heya gmcharlt 16:37 libsysguy then I will always take more work upfront 16:37 libsysguy true, unless it means more work later 16:37 kf slef: wondering... has something bad happened to the nice lists of old bugs you sent out? :) 16:37 jcamins (and less work is always good) 16:36 jcamins Though if he did that again, he'd probably use mustache instead of T::T, thus eliminating much of the parsing. 16:34 jcamins The author is pretty cool, too. 16:33 kf :) 16:33 jcamins kf: if you prefer a more imperative style of export, I've heard of this thing called Template::Plugin::MARC. 16:13 gmcharlt hi kf! 16:13 kf hi gmcharlt :) 16:13 huginn kf: Quote #206: "There's a bug for that" (added by chrisc at 11:55 PM, May 24, 2012) 16:13 kf @quote random 16:13 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011) 16:13 gmcharlt @quote random 16:10 melia hi druthb 16:10 * druthb waves to melia. 16:02 amitgupta_ brendan around? 15:54 mtompset Okay, back to figuring out why the href is blank in this patch. 15:50 kf wouldn't using xslt or something be easier? 15:49 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Record.pm;h=be1912c0d8cab0f8b7156f6be4f40b236c82c60d;hb=f355da2e86810fef47442b7effeffa3686bd79bb 15:49 kf the way we do bibtex export is kinda weird 15:48 kf hm 15:43 slef man Exporter, rather 15:42 slef I'd check man perlboot but I think you add them to @EXPORT_OK 15:39 tcohen technical perl question: if I inherit from a class, how should I export the desired methods in my own class? 15:34 mtompset Thanks tcohen, oleonard, and maximep. I think I got it done. :) 15:31 mtompset probably patched in one version, but never made it to master? 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7732 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results 15:31 oleonard Looks to me like Bug 7732 has resurfaced. 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9903 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort by date broken on patron detail page 15:29 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9804 - Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , degree notation in acq 15:29 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9903: Followup: use the KohaDates T::T plugin to display dates. 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9903 - Sort by date broken on patron detail page 15:29 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10023 follow-up: Remove the last occurrences of N[degree sign] 15:29 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to No. 15:29 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to # 15:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1147: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1147/ 15:29 wahanui merge conflicts is probably http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.html#Basic-Merge-Conflicts 15:29 mtompset merge conflicts? 15:29 oleonard Did someone say there was a way to do a git blame which excluded whitespace changes? 15:28 wahanui OK, mtompset. 15:28 mtompset wahanui: merge conflicts is http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.html#Basic-Merge-Conflicts 15:28 mtompset merge conflicts? 15:28 tcohen hmm, i guess wahanui only learns at noon, nz tz 15:28 oleonard mtompset: So if your code can fully replace the code marked as HEAD, just delete that section. If HEAD contained something yours lacks, you must merge them. 15:27 tcohen merge conflicts: http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.html#Basic-Merge-Conflicts 15:27 tcohen http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.html#Basic-Merge-Conflicts 15:27 oleonard mtompset: Everything between the <<< and >>> must be manually merged, and the markers removed. 15:26 mtompset (i.e. no more <<< parts) 15:26 mtompset The sections get removed with what it should be? 15:26 mtompset Oh, so fix the file completely? 15:26 tcohen (maybe someone correct me) 15:26 tcohen and git rebase --continue 15:26 tcohen git add C4/Auth.pm 15:25 tcohen then git add 15:25 tcohen remove those marks too of course (<<< == >>>) 15:25 tcohen exactly 15:25 mtompset Right, so do I merely fix the bad section and do some git command? 15:24 tcohen >>> 15:24 tcohen your_commit 15:24 tcohen === 15:24 tcohen master 15:24 tcohen <<< 15:24 tcohen there's a block 15:24 mtompset AH! Okay, that should be easy enough. 15:23 tcohen search for <<< 15:23 mtompset True. I know what file. The question is how do I know where the conflicts are? 15:23 tcohen you have to open those files and look for the conflict 15:23 tcohen mtompset: when it said merge confilcts, it told you what files have conflicts 15:23 oleonard What part mtompset? Ask a question if you need help with something specific. 15:21 mtompset This is the part of git I really haven't figured out. 15:19 oleonard Nothing to do but sort them out mtompset 15:18 mtompset merge conflicts. 15:18 tcohen Mimicked 15:18 mtompset GAH! now I'm into messy territory. 15:16 tcohen rebase takes your commits out, forwards to origin/master's HEAD and tries to apply your patches on top of it 15:15 oleonard You have to commit your changes before you can rebase 15:15 mtompset I haven't done any commits. 15:15 tcohen why dont you commit them? 15:15 oleonard Sounds like you haven't committed all your changes 15:14 mtompset my bug_shib includes changes to C4/Auth, and I'm getting an "error" (really a warning) that I can't "git rebase origin/master", because my C4/Auth changes would be lost. 15:14 oleonard git stash save <name for the stash> 15:14 oleonard It lets you set aside a change you've made without making a commit 15:14 mtompset how does git stash work? 15:09 kf maybe cleaning up some files and pl one afte the other would help here 15:09 kf a lot of the more insane if structures can be explained by not having the option to do it otherwise with htp 15:08 kf like owen explained 15:06 tcohen the thing is that this complexity is <past tense for 'mimic'> by the templates 15:06 mtompset ^out^one^ 15:05 tcohen s/w// 15:05 mtompset Ah, just teasing out the functions which have all been jammed into out .pl into other smaller, clearer .pl's. 15:04 reiveune ++ 15:04 tcohen add_book.pl, del_book.pl and so own should exist 15:03 mtompset Do you mean that addbooks.pl has too much overloading in that it does this and that for multiple situations which could better be defined by a .pm with cleanly separated .pl's? 15:02 tcohen is not personal :-P 15:02 tcohen i have the same feeling about stuff like addbooks.pl 15:01 mtompset Yes, but I think some of those IF blocks are related to display issues, not business logic. 15:01 tcohen and sometimes have the feeling we should have separate, simpler templates for different scenarios 15:00 tcohen i see big IF blocks everywhere 15:00 * mtompset is just thinking out loud. 15:00 mtompset though, I think that should be qualified as BUSINESS logic. obviously UI logic may be required. :) 14:59 mtompset less logic in templates. Good idea. :) 14:59 oleonard Do you have an example of what you're thinking of tcohen? 14:58 tcohen I think we'll be better by the tie we have more templates, and less logic inside of them 14:57 tcohen i understand oleonard 14:56 oleonard Thanks tcohen. A lot of that logic dates back to before we could even use operators like || with template tags, so it could get messy. I'm surprised this bug hasn't been noticed sooner. 14:50 tcohen done oleonard 14:46 maximep you can either merge master back on bug_shib or rebase bug_shib on master 14:44 mtompset Okay, I'm still learning git... let's say I have a bunch of changes in branch bug_shib which was based on origin/master, but more changes have been pushed through on origin/master. How do I not lose my changes, but make sure that I get the latest version of everything? 14:43 * tcohen is learning a lot this days 14:43 tcohen oh, ccsr and prog share a lot oleonard! 14:31 gaetan_B bye ! 14:29 tcohen i havent' tested if its present in ccsr thu 14:29 oleonard Okay, great. 14:29 tcohen i was starting to do it 14:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10107 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag shouldn't prevent from adding items to a list in the OPAC 14:28 oleonard tcohen: Are you working on a patch for Bug 10107 or should I? 14:26 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:25 Joubu It's an hazy thing in my brain... 14:24 oleonard Joubu: I think it's worth pursuing. 14:23 Joubu I don't know :) 14:23 Joubu oleonard: At the moment, Colvis is just an idea. I will try to imagine something elegant. 14:23 oleonard Joubu: How would it work to set the configuration for all tables in Koha? 14:22 oleonard Joubu: True. 14:22 Joubu oleonard: But it is not easy at all to implement your way for all tables in Koha. 14:21 Joubu oleonard: It was what I mean by "configuration page for all tables in Koha". It is possible to specify a columns list to hide/show. 14:20 oleonard I like that feature of my implementation. I don't know if anyone else does :) 14:19 Joubu oleonard: no, I don't think so 14:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1147 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:19 oleonard Joubu: Does it remember your choice from session to session? I didn't test that. 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9903 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort by date broken on patron detail page 14:19 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9804 - Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 14:19 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9903: Followup: use the KohaDates T::T plugin to display dates. 14:19 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9903 - Sort by date broken on patron detail page 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , degree notation in acq 14:19 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10023 follow-up: Remove the last occurrences of N[degree sign] 14:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to No. 14:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to # 14:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #12: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/12/ 14:19 Joubu oleonard: yep me too. I added it in order to show some options. 14:17 oleonard Joubu: Ah, I understand. I like the way it works, although I think I would prefer that the "show/hide" button work on click rather than hover 14:16 tcohen i'm looking at the code and the problem its clear 14:16 tcohen ok, filling a bug then 14:16 oleonard tcohen: It is a bug. Lists should work even if opacbookbag is turned off. 14:16 Joubu oleonard: If the colvis script is not loaded, there is no change on the page. Obviously the sDom modification has no effect. 14:15 tcohen is this a bug or a feature oleonard? 14:13 tcohen i found the bug in 3.8, and master exposes the same behaviour 14:13 oleonard Yeah, that was the original term. Just like basket became bookbag became cart. 14:12 tcohen not sure about that thou 14:12 tcohen and learned that lists are named virtualshelves in the code! 14:12 tcohen i found a bug, that prevents adding stuff to a list if opacbookbag is not enabled 14:11 oleonard What are you trying to do? 14:10 tcohen i'm confused by the mixed terminology 14:10 tcohen oleonard, in the search results page, the code that adds stuff to a list is the same for a bookbag? 14:06 * oleonard has not found instances where it does 14:04 oleonard Joubu: Your proposal to use the ColVis plugin modifies the default dataTables configuration? Does that mean the column chooser is going to appear by default on some tables? 14:04 tweetbot [off] twitter: @martinhathaway: "Installed my first library system this morning. I'm now the proud owner of a #KohaILS. Another victory for open-source software." 13:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #12 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9804' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5709c00988bfd8c401d07d52b5925c105a61072> / Bug 9804 - Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e4851fa406eb7b5c831c158faa5f83caf723c2a> / Merge branch 'bug_9903' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54ab 13:09 druthb *snrk* 13:09 libsysguy I don't think my wiggly belly would appreciate that 13:09 druthb muahahaha 13:09 * libsysguy sigh 13:09 * druthb offers libsysguy a donut hole. 13:08 libsysguy \o 13:08 druthb o/ 13:05 jcamins Well, that took way longer than I anticipated. 13:00 libsysguy jk, nobody get any ideas with that one 13:00 libsysguy truncate the table? 12:59 oleonard These newfangled bug numbers take too long to type. 12:58 jcamins oleonard++ 12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10106 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Markup error causing misplacement of "reopen" checkbox on invoice edit screen 12:58 oleonard Bug 10106 12:57 jcamins lol 12:53 libsysguy man jcamins is really getting through with the "Patches are welcome" statement 12:52 magnuse oleonard++ 12:51 jcamins Thanks. 12:51 oleonard Small markup error. I'll send a patch. 12:49 * oleonard grumbles 12:49 oleonard It is not 12:48 jcamins Could someone please take a look at a closed invoice in acquisitions and see if the reopen checkbox is in the right place? 12:42 tcohen hi kf 12:40 jcamins How do I generate an acquisitions PDF? 12:40 tcohen morning #koha 12:28 drojf i think mveron works with pdf somethings when he is not doing koha. don't know if generation is a part of it 12:27 huginn drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 5 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <mveron> cait ++ 12:27 drojf @seen mveron 12:26 drojf i can hear my brain cells killing themselves. i imagine them like in the old lemmings pc game, happily jumping off a cliff one after the other 12:26 jcamins Wise. 12:26 oleonard jcamins: I try to stay away from PDF generation everywhere 12:25 jcamins Ooh, that'll do it. 12:25 drojf right now my brain is overwhelmed by the stupidity of filemaker 12:25 jcamins Hey, has anyone else noticed that the PDF generation in acquisitions is dreadful? 12:24 jcamins Probably your brain was overwhelmed by patches. 12:24 drojf ah, there is a lot now, but there was nothing two days ago. sorry, slow brain. as usual ;) 12:22 jcamins Actually, I was thinking that QA was too busy. 12:22 drojf jcamins: QA ist too strict? :P 12:21 jcamins :P 12:21 jcamins This is getting absurd. 12:21 jcamins Guys, there was nothing in the PQA queue two days ago. 12:20 drojf right under the desk 12:20 drojf oh that would be great :D 12:19 oleonard Post-lunch nap drojf? 12:18 * drojf yawns 12:14 amitgupta_ heya kf, matts 12:11 kf :) 12:11 matts hi ! 12:11 kf hi matts 11:45 NateC Hiya amitgupta_ 11:44 amitgupta_ heya NateC 11:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9720 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , uninitialized value warnings in circulation 11:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9759 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , last subfield can be deleted 11:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number 11:23 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9720 : uninitialized value warnings in circulation (followup 1) 11:23 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9720 : uninitialized value warnings in circulation 11:23 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9759: last subfield can be deleted 11:23 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241, follow-up: viewlog link for circulation 11:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT 11:23 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241 follow-up: DB changes 11:23 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241: circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number 11:23 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9213 - Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT 11:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #101: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/101/ 10:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #101 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml 10:41 jenkins_koha Julian Maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords 10:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #303: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/303/ 10:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #303 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml 10:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9035 trivial, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , remove deprecated 'bulkauthimport.pl' file 10:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Template files contain single quote strings 10:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9608 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , white background on header on check in 10:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent holds 10:03 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords 10:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9392 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues 10:03 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9035 - delete bulkauthimport.pl 10:03 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9555: Another template contains single quotes in a js string 10:03 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in 10:03 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds - QA Followup 10:03 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds 10:03 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9392: confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues 10:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #100: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/100/ 09:43 rangi *sigh* 09:35 magnuse thanks rangi 09:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10013 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Ability to link directly from an item in the Staff client to budget information. 09:33 amitgupta_ bug 10013 09:31 tweetbot [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "Upgrade time? :) "@kohails: #kohails Koha 3.10.5 released http://t.co/aAV1gsksr5"" 09:25 rangi there we go 09:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #100 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9556 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Changing patron category does not fully update patron messaging preferences 09:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9330 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Patron duplication : should duplicate with empty title (salutation field) 09:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category 09:22 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9330: title field empty when duplicating a patron 09:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #99: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/99/ 09:21 magnuse rangi: sure, if it applies 09:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT 09:20 rangi magnuse: would you like bug 9213 in 3.10.x ? 08:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #99 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9049 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , rebuild_zebra should not use shadow when called with -r 08:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7358 normal, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , basket.pl : it is possible to affect a closed basket to a closed basketgroup 08:23 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9049: Don't use shadow with rebuild_zebra -r 08:23 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 7358: reaffect a closed basket to a closed basketgroup 08:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #98: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/98/ 08:20 magnuse thanks rangi - not a very inetersting bug, but consistency is good, i guess :-) 08:17 drojf later 08:17 * drojf leaves for non-koha work 08:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM) 08:15 drojf rangi: if you are looking for a less easy signoff i could offer you bug 9972 ;) 08:13 rangi there we go, that was an easy signoff 08:12 magnuse hehe 08:11 dcook It'll be better! Be...because! 08:11 dcook We heard the same thing over and over again a lot... 08:11 dcook I got training from an RDA instructor who pretty much just repeated whatever they had said if you asked them a question they couldn't answer 08:10 magnuse hehe, that is good to hear ;-) 08:10 cjh heh 08:10 rangi i did training with 4 senior librarians yesterday, 2 of whom had been to RDA training, they had no idea what use it was either 08:07 dcook lol 08:06 kf :) 08:05 wahanui i already had it that way, rangi. 08:05 rangi my work here is done 08:05 drojf lol 08:05 * wahanui huh, good god y'all, what is it good for, absolutely nothing 08:05 rangi RDA? 08:05 rangi RDA 08:03 dcook While I've found my 2 day experience with unimarc to be...interesting...I'm not sure I'd want to learn the whole encoding ;) 08:01 magnuse drojf: noooo... 08:01 magnuse hehe 08:00 drojf we need a "how about yes"-bear called marc 08:00 dcook hehe 08:00 drojf :) 08:00 rangi thats my answer to that idea drojf 08:00 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 08:00 rangi we should use more marc 07:59 drojf extra cookies for someone learning unimarc to test all the stuff ;) 07:58 rangi ill have a look magnuse 07:58 kf extra cookies for someone making a list of problematic things that needs testing by a unimarcuser? :) 07:58 dcook Awesome efforts though :D 07:58 dcook rangi++ 07:58 dcook rangi: I know what you mean. I've had a few chances over the past week or two to do some bug busting, but so many unimarc ones :/ 07:57 dcook I assume BibLibre has their MARC21 -> UNIMARC XSLT in their repo 07:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 07:57 magnuse rangi: you could have a look at bug 9804 if yo uare bored ;-) 07:57 dcook Currently, there is no XSL that handles UNIMARC -> MARC21 or MARC21 -> UNIMARC conversions in Koha, right? 07:56 dcook Hmm, good question about what Marcel has written here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Z3950_RFC 07:56 kf hm maybe mailing list? 07:56 magnuse rangi++ 07:56 rangi yeah im kinda stuck ive signed off about all i can but there are a ton of unimarc ones 07:56 amitgupta_ heya kf 07:56 * magnuse hopes someone with unimarc knowledge will have some time to do sign offs soon... 07:55 kf and leave the plugins to really specific things 07:55 kf if some of the plugins would make sense as core features 07:55 kf i think the question is 07:55 * kf looks at the bugs to be QA'd 07:55 magnuse yeah, too much work to do... 07:55 dcook Back up to 28? It was almost into the teens.. 07:55 * dcook looks at the bugs to be signed off 07:55 dcook Plus, we already have quite a bit of work, no? ;) 07:54 dcook I think that's usually how it's done, no? 07:54 dcook Agreed with rangi 07:54 magnuse good point 07:54 magnuse yeah, that is another option :-) 07:54 rangi and dont ask us if you have problems, ask the author of the plugin 07:53 rangi in big letters 07:53 rangi id be happier saying use these at your own risk 07:53 magnuse hehe 07:53 rangi bags not being in charge of that 07:53 * magnuse wonders if we should have an official plugin repository, with a qa process etc 07:52 dcook Hmm intriguing...thanks, kf :) 07:50 kf I think he wanted to break it up into different patches when there is some time 07:50 kf it's probably not very complete, but the idea is intriguing 07:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing 07:50 kf bug 6536 07:49 dcook Although after slaving away for a little while, I think there are some tags which are almost impossible to migrate perfectly 07:49 kf it worked pretty nicely for me, but there wree some problems with unimarc installations so it got stuck 07:49 dcook I'm intrigued 07:49 * dcook perks up 07:49 kf there was a crosswalk from marc21 > unimarc and back made with xslt I think 07:49 kf dcook: hm maybe take a look at marcel's sru work 07:48 dcook Just a little bit more work on some mappings and some extra conditions...maybe some punctuation changes...and I'll have a "functional" UNIMARC -> MARC21 script 07:47 dcook Hmm 07:47 dcook wizzyrea: The adhesive spray worked ;) 07:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #98 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:41 * dcook is half tempted to try out the new packages tonight... 07:41 dcook ta eythian 07:41 dcook hehe 07:38 cjh eythian++ # awesome work on the packages 07:35 magnuse eythian++ 07:32 rangi cya friday 07:32 rangi :) 07:29 * eythian makes like a tree and gets outta here 07:29 eythian done 07:28 rangi thanks 07:28 eythian yeah sure 07:27 rangi eythian: did you want to do a quick reply to my mail saying packages are updated? 07:27 drojf w00t 07:27 rangi excellent 07:27 dcook eythian++ 07:26 kf rangi++ 07:26 kf eythian++ :) 07:26 eythian hey everybody, new packages published just now. 07:26 eythian hi kf 07:26 kf good morning #koha 07:25 kf heh 07:25 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 07:25 huginn GERMS!!!! 07:21 drojf eythian++ # packages \o/ 07:21 drojf mtj: lol 07:21 mtj rangi++ eythian++ !! 07:18 magnuse eythian: w00t! :-) 07:18 gaetan_B hi :) 07:18 francharb hi rangi ! 07:18 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. 07:18 rangi and francharb 07:17 rangi hi gaetan_B 07:17 gaetan_B hello 07:17 rangi yay! 07:17 eythian magnuse: dpkg-source: info: building koha in koha_3.10.05-1.tar.gz 07:13 mtj drojf, i secrectly consider alohabot's suggestion as a type of IQ test :p 07:07 magnuse \o/ 07:07 cjh \o/ 07:07 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.8.12 released http://t.co/IQ0y6p6aTz" 07:07 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.10.5 released http://t.co/vpljIinxVm" 07:06 * magnuse warns his customers about the upcoming upgrade 07:04 magnuse hehe, nice 07:04 eythian sometime after that one :) 07:04 eythian dpkg-source: info: building koha in koha_3.08.12-1.tar.gz 07:04 magnuse eythian: any idea when you will do packages for 3.10.5? 07:02 magnuse stop making sense! 06:57 eythian heh 06:55 drojf yes. no problem at all, besides the non-existing information politics of geeksphone, which is not mozilla's fault. but my last mail from mozilla from first week of april said "about two weeks and we will have the phones first week of april" which did not make any sense :D 06:55 rangi yay! 06:53 eythian Yeah, they took longer to produce than expected I think. 06:52 drojf ah. excellent :) my last update from mozilla was more confusing than anything 06:52 eythian I know someone at Mozilla :) 06:51 drojf how do you know? 06:51 eythian Ours are apparently already at Mozilla somewhere. 06:49 drojf i hope they remembered to send some phones to mozilla… 06:49 drojf rangi: geeksphone finally opened the shop. and it crashed. and they closed it after a few hours because they were sold out :D 06:48 drojf hi rangi 06:48 wahanui hey, reiveune 06:48 reiveune hello 06:46 rangi a couple of people 06:46 mib_cgsqw4 hi, is there a risk if i don't create basket group for my baskets? 06:45 drojf has anymib ever followed the nick changing part? 06:45 alohabot Hi mib_cgsqw4, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 06:36 alex_a hi rangi 06:36 rangi hi alex_a 06:36 alex_a bonjour 06:34 christophe_c hello rangi 06:34 rangi hi christophe_c 06:34 christophe_c hello #koha 06:33 jenkins_koha D Ruth Bavousett: Language updates for 3.8.12 06:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #302: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/302/ 05:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #302 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:54 jenkins_koha D Ruth Bavousett: Language update for 3.10.5 05:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #97: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/97/ 05:50 magnuse hiya drojf and amitgupta_ 05:45 amitgupta_ hi magnuse 05:45 drojf hei magnuse 05:43 * magnuse waves 05:38 amitgupta_ cait around? 05:37 amitgupta_ hi all 05:37 amitgupta_ hi all 05:36 drojf also, good morning #koha 05:36 drojf rangi++ # more koha \o/ 05:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #97 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 04:35 dcook Barely anything for such a hard working...entity 04:35 wahanui Since Fri Mar 22 01:54:09 2013, there have been 1142 modifications and 334 questions. I have been awake for 33 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, 8 seconds this session, and currently reference 28000 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 04:35 eythian wahanui: status 04:34 huginn dcook: Karma for "wahanui" has been increased 17 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 17. 04:34 dcook @karma wahanui 04:34 dcook wahanui++ 04:34 dcook eythian++ 04:34 * wahanui takes a bow. 04:34 eythian wahanui: applause 04:32 wizzyrea eythian++ 04:31 cait :) 04:31 wizzyrea oh that's awesome 04:31 wahanui stronger 04:31 eythian faster? 04:31 wahanui better 04:31 eythian harder? 04:31 wahanui makes us 04:31 eythian do it? 04:31 wahanui make it 04:31 eythian work it? 04:31 eythian work it 04:31 eythian wizzyrea: already should do. 04:29 wizzyrea later mtompset 04:29 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. 04:29 trea heh 04:27 wizzyrea because I know you needed this 04:27 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjR4_CbPpQ 04:26 * wizzyrea waits for him to do harder faster better stronger 04:26 wahanui Around the world. 04:26 mtompset around the world? 04:26 * eythian teaches wahanui daft punk songs 04:25 wahanui OK, eythian. 04:25 eythian wahanui: around the world is <reply>Around the world. 04:25 wahanui hello cait are you here? 04:25 eythian hello cait 04:24 cait morning #koha 04:03 druthb o/ 03:56 rgbv I've got a bunch of analytic records for articles that I've added, but I want them to be sortable by publication date that in 045$a and 773$g, anyone got any ideas about how to achieve this? 03:15 dcook Yes, I have an English BA...can you tell? 03:14 * dcook has been thinking about creating a "AACR2 punctuation" script, so could always do a "whatever descriptive scheme punctuation Unimarc uses" script... 03:14 dcook The "major" fields map over quite easily...besides punctuation, but you can always do punctuation after... 03:13 dcook Actually, maybe this isn't that bad 03:13 * dcook plots 03:08 edveal tree sure can 03:08 dcook I meant extraordinarily complicated and difficult to follow 03:08 trea hey edveal can you check something 03:08 dcook Did I say LoC's spec was top-notch? 03:05 dcook Darned metaphors.. 03:05 * dcook thinks bolts are indicators and wd40 is... 03:04 wizzyrea but only if the bolts are stuck. 03:04 wizzyrea wd40 doesn't hurt either. 03:04 wizzyrea I'm sure you could use either 03:04 cjh wizzyrea: wd40, surely 03:04 dcook You don't use twine there? 03:04 dcook baling wire? 03:03 dcook Although...I have to say that the Library of Congress's spec on converting UNIMARC to MARC21 is top-notch 03:03 wizzyrea and if brute force and ignorance don't do it, then you get out the duct tape and baling wire. 03:03 dcook Brute force and ignorance...that's what it could certainly turn into 03:03 dcook hehe 03:03 wizzyrea doing it the hard way, every kansan's birthright. 03:03 cjh heh 03:03 wizzyrea "To the stars, through difficulty" 03:02 wizzyrea or 03:02 wizzyrea Ad Astra per Aspera 03:02 wizzyrea the state motto *is* 03:02 wizzyrea but 03:02 wizzyrea no actually 03:02 * cjh ducks 03:02 cjh wizzyrea: kansas city motto? 03:02 wizzyrea rather, to use a kansas colloquialism, there's nothing brute force and ignorance can't achieve. 03:02 cjh that would end well, a permanently solved cube :) 03:02 dcook Not pretty either :p 03:01 dcook That's where the PHP comes in 03:01 dcook hehe 03:01 wizzyrea ^.^ 03:01 wizzyrea nothing a little spray adhesive can't cure! 03:01 cjh oooohhhh 03:01 dcook That's what I'm trying to do, but the stickers aren't sticky after you take them off the first cube 03:00 dcook I didn't think you were 03:00 dcook hehe 03:00 wizzyrea dcook: mind you i'm not nullifying the essence of your complaint 02:59 wizzyrea also making myself laugh. 02:58 cjh asking the important questions. 02:58 cjh wizzyrea++ 02:58 wizzyrea on the other cube. 02:58 wizzyrea if you're going to go to the effort of taking the stickers off... why wouldn't you put them back in their finished state? 02:58 * wizzyrea doesn't get it 02:57 dcook It's like taking two Rubik's cubes and trying to switch the stickers. Chances are it's going to be a mess... 02:57 dcook As jcamins mentioned, the correspondence is oh so very weak 02:56 * dcook realizes now there is a reason why people don't readily convert UNIMARC to MARC21 02:16 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 02:16 dcook hey ya, mtompset 02:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:38 dcook That's...special. 01:38 dcook Hmm...database is mostly Unimarc but has some Marc21 in it.. 00:53 dcook Agreed. RDA is no help there. I'm sure Unimarc has other factors pulling it even farther away as well 00:48 jcamins I'm sure it's incomplete. The correspondence between the two formats is very weak. 00:48 dcook And I'm not 100% sure how it works...but seems pretty impressive to me 00:47 dcook I think it's incomplete though.. 00:47 dcook Mhm 00:43 jcamins (M:M:F:UnimarcToMarc21) 00:43 jcamins That's kind of impressive. 00:43 jcamins Wow. 00:42 jcamins Or a chocolate stout for double chocolate awesomeness. 00:42 jcamins Something with a bit more character. 00:40 jcamins I'd want to use a pumpkin stout or the like. 00:39 jcamins I feel like a Guinness is the wrong beer for it, though. 00:39 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:39 jcamins wizzyrea: interesting. 00:32 dcook _koha_marc_update_bib_ids seems to use the same MARC tag...so you'd wind up with duplicated fields most likely.. 00:30 dcook Hmm, perhaps not 00:28 dcook bibnumber EQ biblionumber, biblionumber EQ biblioitemnumber 00:26 dcook A person could change where the bibnumber and biblionumber are stored by changing the Koha to MARC mappings, then running touch_all_biblios, yes? 00:23 dcook Hmm.. 00:16 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 00:16 wizzyrea @later tell jcamins I bet these would be amazing cupcakes: http://www.thetarttart.com/2013/04/chocolate-guinness-cupcakes/ - could be the koha official cupcake! 00:15 dcook I'm trying to remember if there are hard-coded references to 942/952/999 in the Koha code 00:14 dcook While the Koha to MARC mapping seems to work for populating MySQL fields from the MARC (I assume, haven't really checked) 00:14 dcook eythian: hehe 00:13 dcook 999a/999(9) instead of 999c/d for the bib/bibitemnumber 00:13 eythian (that's a glob not emphasis) 00:13 dcook 990 instead of 942, 995 instead of 952 00:13 eythian welcome to *MARC* 00:13 dcook I'm looking at an old Koha 3.0-ish UNIMARC dataset which is...confusing 00:12 dcook I'm just trying to wrap my head around how Koha and UNIMARC work together 00:12 dcook rangi: I know it's UNIMARC :P 00:12 rangi dcook: you sure its not UNIMARC 00:11 dcook That's what I was thinking.. 00:11 eythian 999$c and $d 00:10 eythian it's stock 00:06 * dcook starts to wonder if a 999 thing is a stock Koha thing or a Prosentient thing 00:06 dcook I suppose if you have your Koha to MARC Mapping set up, you wouldn't need a 999 00:05 dcook Hmm the 090 too.. 00:04 dcook They look like they're using the control field 001 for their bib number though :D 00:04 dcook I'm looking at a BibLibre sandbox and not noticing the 942/999 subfields I usually do in Koha 00:03 dcook I'm thinking it might work... 00:03 dcook It sure is a mouthful 00:02 wahanui a name is weird too? 00:02 jcamins What a name! 00:02 jcamins MARC::Moose::Formatter::UnimarcToMarc21? 00:02 dcook I don't suppose there are any UNIMARC Koha users up at this ridiculously late hour? :)