Time  Nick          Message
00:39 * jcamins     curses images, Javascript, and... everything else... roundly.
00:53 dcook         Boo everything!
00:53 * dcook       thinks it's only Tuesday
00:55 jcamins       Laugh all you want.
00:55 jcamins       Javascript, images, and everything else, is evil.
01:44 dcook         Is it possible to upload authority records through the Koha UI or just bibliographic records?
01:45 eythian_levin dcook: I think it's not
01:45 dcook         That's what I was thinking. Thanks
01:45 dcook         Commandline only, eh?
01:45 dcook         eythian_levin: bug 10096
01:45 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching
01:46 dcook         Please add any comments/ideas :)
01:46 jcamins       You can upload authority records with staged MARC.
01:46 dcook         Now he tells me!
01:46 dcook         :p
01:47 eythian_levin jcamins: you can? How does that work?
01:47 eythian_levin As it, how does it know not to chuck them into the biblio area?
01:49 jcamins       You select "authority records" when deciding the type of record.
01:57 eythian_levin ah right, never noticed that. I just tend to use the cli by default I guess.
02:13 wizzyrea      wow the koha git repo is really approaching 900MB?
02:14 cjh           mine is already above that, but I have multiple remotes and lots of git branches.
02:15 wizzyrea      well i meant the one you get from koha-community
02:15 cjh           I think we should provide tar-balls that are snapshots of the git repo at various points, so that people can download them and then git pull to fetch the difference (rather than having to git clone all that)
02:16 eythian_levin cjh: wouldn
02:16 eythian_levin wouldn't that amount to the same thing?
02:16 cjh           the tar can be compressed and involves less overhead than a git clone
02:17 cjh           the end result in both cases would be a huge dir, but I am more concerned about the size of the download
02:17 wizzyrea      huh, well 900MB was an over-estimate - it was only 523
02:17 cjh           history and spare branches laying around :)
02:17 * wizzyrea    made the mistake of noting it was at 450mb at 50% done
02:18 wizzyrea      so whatever measure of done-ness it's using, it's not "size"
02:18 wizzyrea      number of files maybe.
02:20 jcamins       Yeah, I've been confused by that too.
02:21 eythian_levin maybe as the translations got more regularly added, that bumped the file or changecount per size or something.
02:21 eythian_levin actually, I bet it's counting objects
02:22 cjh           that is my guess, and the earlier ones are likely to be larger due to the way it stores them.
02:25 wizzyrea      cjh++ #gitify is the bomb diggle
02:25 cjh           thanks :)
02:28 dcook         jcamins: I'm not noticing the option of selecting authority records when importing via the UI...
02:28 jcamins       Really?
02:28 jcamins       It's new in 3.10.
02:28 jcamins       It should be there.
02:28 dcook         Mmm
02:28 dcook         That might be why ;)
02:28 * jcamins     is working on other things, though.
02:28 dcook         Looking at a 3.8 system
02:28 dcook         No worries. Thanks for the head's up
02:30 * dcook       takes a look
02:32 dcook         Apparently Chrome and LoC don't get along for downloading authority files...
02:33 jcamins       Heh.
02:34 dcook         Ohhh or maybe it gets along very well..
02:34 dcook         Well, maybe not very..
02:36 dcook         Downloads as a "Pwebrecon.cgi" file
02:36 dcook         Which looks like a bit of html wrapped around a marc record..
02:37 dcook         Import works fine on it though, it seems :D
02:41 jcamins       No HTML. That's just the way Voyager does downloads.
02:44 dcook         Mmm, I see
02:44 dcook         When I do the same in Firefox, it presents it in HTML but that must just be so that it can show it in the window
02:45 dcook         Btw, there's no need to have "Add new bibliographic records into this framework" on the page when importing authorities, right?
02:45 jcamins       Right.
02:45 dcook         I'm going to wrap it in a condition, but I just want to make sure that it's not passing in anything even if it's a useless value
02:58 dcook         jcamins++
02:58 dcook         hey ya drojf
03:00 dcook         jcamins: I don't mean to distract, but should I make a new bug from my template change or add a follow-up patch to bug 2060?
03:00 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client
03:00 jcamins       New bug.
03:00 dcook         Cool. Merci.
03:00 jcamins       Always.
03:00 jcamins       I'm nice and consistent like that.
03:01 * jcamins     goes to sleep.
03:01 jcamins       Good night.
03:01 wahanui       I'll be waiting for you to come back, jcamins.
03:01 eythian_levin wahanui: good night is also <reply>If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me.
03:01 wahanui       okay, eythian_levin.
03:01 dcook         Have a good sleep
03:01 eythian_levin later jcamins
03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good ngiht
03:02 wahanui       eythian_levin: what?
03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night
03:02 wahanui       I'll be waiting for you to come back, eythian_levin.
03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night
03:02 wahanui       I watch you sleep.
03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night
03:02 wahanui       I'll be waiting for you to come back, eythian_levin.
03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night
03:02 wahanui       I'll be waiting for you to come back, eythian_levin.
03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night
03:02 wahanui       If you feel like someone is looking through wahanui's window, it's OK, it's just me.
03:02 eythian_levin crap
04:04 * dcook       hates IE
04:04 dcook         Just more each day :p
04:15 dcook         hey ya cait
04:15 dcook         @wunder konstanz
04:15 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (6:00 AM CEST on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
04:15 cait          morning dcook and thx :)
04:16 dcook         :)
04:20 eythian_levin wahanui: cait
04:20 wahanui       cait is qam, not your secretary
04:20 eythian_levin wahanui: cait
04:20 wahanui       go back to bed, cait.
04:20 eythian_levin @wunder levin
04:20 huginn        eythian_levin: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 18.2°C (4:17 PM NZST on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
04:21 eythian_levin cait: btw the new HLT library is hy-ooge!
04:36 cait          eythian: photos? :)
04:36 cait          what are you doing in levin?
04:37 cait          and can't go bak to bed... dentist appointment abit later...
04:37 wizzyrea      working lol.
04:37 cait          wish I could
04:38 wizzyrea      koha team field trip
04:39 cait          cool :)
04:39 cait          back to the beginnings?
04:39 * wizzyrea    got to stay home this time
04:39 wizzyrea      hehe
04:39 wizzyrea      yea
04:39 wizzyrea      "got to" I mean, I went last time ^>^
04:39 wizzyrea      ^.^
04:40 wizzyrea      it's sooooo nice
04:49 alohabot      Hi mib_abdbnb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
04:50 cait          wizzyrea:  :)
04:50 AmitGupta     hi katrin around?
04:52 cait          yes, I am here
04:52 AmitGupta     bug 10013
04:52 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10013 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Ability to link directly from an item in the Staff client to budget information.
04:52 AmitGupta     is faild in QA
04:52 AmitGupta     failed*
04:53 cait          yes
04:53 AmitGupta     why?
04:53 cait          I have noted 4 reasons why :)
04:53 alohabot      Hi mib_hk1lmd, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
04:53 cait          take a look at comments 3 and 4
04:54 cait          it doesn't follow coding guidelines
04:54 AmitGupta     ok thanks
04:54 cait          but honestly I am wondering if that will work
04:54 cait          in that place
04:54 cait          I would rather like to see such a link in a less prominent place
04:54 cait          but that's my opinion, not the coding guidelines
04:55 sanju         i have trouble regarding searchinf data from koha
04:55 AmitGupta     ok i will do again
04:55 sanju         books entered in 2011 is not listed however those in 2012 are listed properly
04:56 sanju         why does this occur?
04:56 sanju         can this be rectified by rebuilding zebra?
04:56 mtj           sanju, it is always worth trying that
04:57 sanju         but how do i rebuild zebra
04:59 sanju         when i searched i found about koha instance.what is that?
05:03 mtj           instance means 'name'
05:04 mtj           so, you can install many kohas on one server, each koha 'instance' has its own name
05:05 mtj           the 'koha-list' command shows you all your koha 'instances'...
05:07 sanju         when i tried koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v test i got sudo: unknown user: -f-koha
05:07 sanju         test is a koha instance i created
05:10 sanju         i am running as root in debian squeeze
05:13 mtj           sanju, hmm - sorry, i dont know what that problem is :/
05:13 sanju         ok thanks
05:14 sanju         but so u know how to rebuild zebra?
05:14 mtj           means you dont have a 'koha' user in your /etc/passwd file, i think...
05:14 sanju         i mean do u know
05:15 mtj           tho, i dont think you should *need* a koha user - so i dont know why its asking for one, either...
05:16 mtj           sanju, i would concentrate on fixing your 'koha-rebuild-zebra' error first ^^
05:16 sanju         can u help me rebuild zebra
05:16 sanju         ok
05:16 mtj           ... rather than attempting to rebuild zebra another way
05:17 sanju         koha is listed in my /etc/passwd file
05:20 cait          oh how weird
05:20 cait          can someone test something? cataloguing search - I am missing the biblionumber in all links from the search result list
05:31 cait          never mind, filed bug 10099
05:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10099 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cataloguing search result list links broken
05:35 mtj           heya cait, hmmm, lemme check that on my koha…
05:36 mtj           hmm, working for me, so far
05:36 alohabot      Hi mib_1jtvez, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
05:37 cait          mtj: weird
05:37 cait          are you on latest master? and looking at the cataloguing search?
05:37 cait          not the normal one, that works for me
05:39 mib_1jtvez    I have NaN values in my replacement cost, budgeted cost and total under the accounting detail when placing order. the value appear when i enter the quantity and using my active currency, anyone know what's wrong?
05:39 mtj           yes, and yes
05:39 cait          hm
05:40 cait          very weird
05:40 cait          let me check again if I was looking at english
05:40 cait          hmmmm
05:40 cait          now they are there
05:40 cait          weird. what did I do differently
05:41 cait          it was broken in 2 browsers for me
05:41 cait          oooh
05:41 cait          mtj: try looking at the very first result
05:41 cait          i have a result list with multiple pages and it's only broken for the first one
05:41 mtj           meh, still works ok
05:42 cait          hm not for me
05:42 mtj           44 result(s) found in catalog, 0 result(s) found in reservoir
05:42 cait          http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=kw,wrdl,rtrn=der%20&page=1
05:42 mtj           are you looking the catalogue, or reservoir results?
05:42 cait          catalogue
05:42 wahanui       catalogue is, like, to view the catalogue or the mainpage
05:42 mtj           ok, mee too
05:43 cait          i searched for der
05:43 cait          which would be "the" in english :)
05:43 cait          and for number one in the ist the links are missing biblionumber
05:45 cait          if you can't reproduce that's weird, but I am downgrading the bug now - because first entry is not as bad
05:45 mtj           cait, my pic attached to bug
05:45 cait          i see it
05:46 cait          oh i see what it is
05:46 cait          i shouldn't do testing in the mornings
05:46 * cait        facepalms
05:46 mtj           waa waa?
05:46 cait          probably a deleted record
05:47 mtj           aah :)
05:47 mtj           did you rebuild your zebra! :p
05:47 cait          i do... sometimes...
05:47 cait          :P
05:48 cait          and I am doing it right  now
05:49 cait          we should have a status 'resolved - dumb'
05:50 cait          mtj: thx for testing
05:50 cait          can we just forget about it now?
05:51 mtj           yes, lets put this all behind us...
05:51 cait          heh
05:51 cait          mtj: are you going to kohacon?
06:07 cait          bug 10030 is giving me trouble too
06:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10030 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , MaxFines checks against amount, not amount outstanding
06:07 cait          gues it's time for the dentist...
06:14 dcook         Any UNIMARC users around atm?
06:28 * magnuse     waves
06:29 magnuse       dcook: biblibre folks will probably show up in ~35 minutes
06:29 dcook         Yeah, just as I'm heading off ;)
06:30 dcook         No worries
06:30 dcook         I found the IFLA UNIMARC format docs :)
06:30 dcook         We were looking at some records and thought that they made absolutely zero sense
06:30 dcook         Until we realized they were UNIMARC and not MARC21 ;)
06:30 dcook         I suppose I could still ask some questions...
06:30 dcook         The MARCXML was still pointing at the LOC and marc21 schema...
06:31 magnuse       were they records from koha?
06:32 reiveune      hello
06:33 alex_a        hello
06:34 dcook         magnuse: yep
06:34 dcook         hey reiveune, alex_a :)
06:35 dcook         Whoa...Frédéric Demians wrote a unimarc to marc21 perl module? https://metacpan.org/module/MARC::Moose::Formater::UnimarcToMarc21
06:38 alex_a        hello dcook. Seems esay to use
06:39 alex_a        fredericdem++
06:40 dcook         Yeah, it does
06:40 dcook         I wonder if it's 100% functional
06:42 * dcook       looks at the clock
06:42 dcook         20 minutes left to work on z39.50 for authorities :p
06:44 dcook         P.S. Looks like there is an email going around seemingly from Vodafone that has a virus in its attached HTML
06:51 christophe_c  hello #koha
06:52 magnuse       bonjour christophe_c
06:53 christophe_c  bonjour magnuse
06:53 christophe_c  ;-)
06:53 dcook         salut christophe_c
06:54 christophe_c  hello dcook
06:59 dcook         wb AmitGupta
07:00 magnuse       kia ora paul_p
07:02 * mtj         waves to magnuse , dcook , AmitGupta , christophe_c , alex_a , reiveune
07:02 dcook         hey ya paul_p, mtj
07:03 paul_p        good morning everybody
07:03 christophe_c  hello mtj
07:03 magnuse       hiya mtj
07:04 mtj           woah!,  just spotted that unimarc->marc21 module  from frederic
07:05 dcook         I know, right?
07:05 dcook         Right?
07:06 mtj           theres a whole bunch of MARC::Moose stuff :p -> https://metacpan.org/module/MARC::Moose
07:06 dcook         Yeah, I was seeing that
07:06 dcook         the unimarc->marc21 looks like it has quite a few dependencies
07:06 dcook         Frédéric might be a machine...
07:06 mtj           the force is strong in this one…
07:07 * dcook       waves to asaurat
07:07 dcook         Yeah, I might have to try it out sometime this week if I can find the time
07:08 Joubu         hello #koha
07:08 * dcook       finally has a test box (with a working cpu and RAM), so I might have to look at installing Debian some time in the next few days and maybe do a bit of dev at home
07:08 dcook         Koha is so addictive...
07:08 dcook         hi Joubu
07:09 asaurat       hi =)
07:23 magnuse       bgkriegel++ for signing off bug 10041
07:23 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations
07:23 * magnuse     hopes it makes it into 3.12 too
07:30 samuel        hi everybody
07:31 samuel        we have some problems with authorities. research in authorities module doesn't work
07:42 huginn        GERMS!!!!
07:42 wahanui       germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
07:42 kf            hey huginn
07:42 kf            hi #koha
07:45 rangi         evening
07:45 rangi         only here for a bit, then have to put kids to sleep
07:46 rangi         but reading emails after a day away from my computer :)
07:46 kf            lots of email? :)
07:59 dcook         This authority z39.50 search is easier said than done!
07:59 dcook         Kind of fun though...
08:19 longrider     HI
08:20 wahanui       hola, longrider
08:20 longrider     mail sent is not working in koha 3.10
08:21 longrider     I set up exim in my server
08:21 longrider     And I can sent mail manually from my server
08:22 longrider     but checkin and checkout and other mail are not going.
08:24 longrider     hello \
08:24 longrider     anybody is here?
08:24 magnuse       longrider: how did you install? if you used the debian packages you have to enable email for each instance
08:37 * magnuse     hands wizzyrea the velcro ;-)
08:37 * wizzyrea    is setting up bip
08:37 * magnuse     guessed so from some of the nick changes :-)
08:38 longrider     How I will do that?
08:39 longrider     I install koha from manual method.
08:39 longrider     not using apt-get install koha-common
08:44 wizzyrea      do any of you know what the on_connect_send string is to have bip auto identify
08:44 wizzyrea      i've tried the one that's in tere
08:45 wizzyrea      and /msg nickserv identify password wizzyrea
08:45 wizzyrea      (not my real password
08:46 dcook         Alas, I have not tried bip...yet
08:46 * dcook       wondered why wizzyrea occasionally became a guest...
08:47 dcook         On a side note: I think I've figured out how Koha does it's z39.50 searching now, so hopefully should have at least a trial z39.50 authority search by the end of the week...
08:49 dcook         Anyway, night for me
08:49 dcook         night wizzyrea
08:52 mtj           packages?
08:52 wahanui       i guess packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
08:53 mtj           longrider, there is some info for you ^^
09:06 rangi         hmm
09:06 wizzyrea      boing boing boing
09:07 rangi         no pull requests .. so cant release
09:09 wizzyrea      !
09:20 magnuse       no pull requests?
09:21 rangi         for po files
09:22 kf            :(
09:23 magnuse       ah
09:23 magnuse       ping druthb_away?
09:24 kf            too late at night for her
09:25 kf            i know she wanted to do them last night, but if they are not there now, probably have to wait until rangi gets up again
09:26 jenkins_koha  Starting build #96 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:28 magnuse       sleeping-- ;-)
09:34 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @27point7: "découvre un centre de recherche Brestois dont l'OPAC me dit quelque chose... http://t.co/3Qn3iBDu8B #kohails"
10:05 kf            @later tell eythian - could you maybe take a look at the pacakge related patches in the signed off queue?
10:05 huginn        kf: The operation succeeded.
10:07 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.10.x build #96: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/96/
10:07 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Release Notes for 3.10.5
10:07 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
10:08 jenkins_koha  Starting build #301 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:16 wizzyrea      sorry for all the bouncing
10:17 wizzyrea      hopefully we'll see less nick juggling.
10:17 wizzyrea      :)
10:32 longrider     anybody is here?
10:46 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #301: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/301/
10:46 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bumpding database version
10:46 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: 3.8.12 release notes
10:52 kf            packages?
10:52 wahanui       packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:53 kf            mailing lists?
10:54 wahanui       mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
10:54 kf            irc?
10:54 wahanui       irc is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
10:54 wizzyrea      the grammar on packages makes me feel a bit crazy
10:54 kf            wizzyrea: it's a wiki *hint* hehe
10:54 wizzyrea      no no wahanui's response
10:54 kf            aah
10:55 magnuse       well, it's not the packages themselves that are at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian ?
10:55 magnuse       it's just information about the packages
10:55 wizzyrea      true enough
10:55 trea          :D
10:57 magnuse       :-)
11:02 quocuy        nickserv identify Hoangthuy1
11:03 wizzyrea      oops
11:04 quocuy        :0
11:04 quocuy        fail command
11:04 wizzyrea      you might consider changing that >.>
11:04 quocuy        no, don't need :)
11:04 quocuy        i always forget / before command
11:05 quocuy        Sorry, when do we have next meeting?
11:07 trea          it's in the motd
11:07 kf            tonight is the meeting for kohacon, may 7 the next general meeting
11:07 wizzyrea      Next general IRC meeting 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC
11:08 magnuse       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013
11:13 slef          Next general IRC meeting?
11:13 slef          Next general IRC meeting is 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC
11:13 kf            hi slef
11:15 kf            hm this new pootle looks nice
11:15 kf            http://pootle.locamotion.org/de/filezilla/filezilla.po/translate/#filter=incomplete
11:16 magnuse       slef: congrats to the missus!
11:17 slef          magnuse: heh, I'll pass it on.  Damn facebook?
11:17 kf            now I am curious! and no facebook... heh
11:18 magnuse       slef: yup, damn facebook
11:18 slef          kf: facebook leaks birthdays
11:18 magnuse       kf: it's sarah's birthday
11:19 * magnuse     didn't realize ils-di was quite so wide open...
11:22 kf            it is
11:22 kf            if you don't block by ip
11:22 kf            which you should
11:22 kf            magnuse: Alles Gute von mir!
11:22 kf            arg
11:22 kf            slef: Alles Gute von mir!
11:23 kf            this tuesday feels like a monday
11:23 magnuse       gah!
11:23 magnuse       kf: and https is probably a good idea too
11:25 slef          kf++
11:25 kf            magnuse: yep
11:43 drojf         hi #koha
11:44 drojf         kf: remember what i said about building packages? i remember "use the right VM"… :)
11:45 magnuse       kf or anyone: did we ever talk about providing translations for tiny_mce? or do i confuse it with the offline circ tool?
11:51 jcamins       We did.
11:51 jcamins       I don't remember what we decided, but we talked about it.
11:53 drojf         is there an opac includes equivalent to intranet_includes somewhen >3.8?
11:57 drojf         or put differently, if a design person wanted to edit opac include files, should i chase him off or what is the best way do it (regarding updates)
12:00 jcamins       drojf: get him to do things in a way that you can send the changes upstream?
12:01 jcamins       And/or add an opac_includes syspref.
12:02 drojf         i think i will have a look at how that was done for intranet. it seems like the right way (and much better than "le
12:03 drojf         oops
12:03 drojf         muc hbetter than "why dont we ditch packages?"
12:06 drojf         from the mailing list discussion i take that merging the opac themes is widely accepted… what would be a realistic time frame for such a change? 3.16? 3.18? (or whatever the numbering will be)
12:07 drojf         and should there be discussion about it at the irc meeting?
12:11 jcamins       I don't see why.
12:11 Viktor        Known bug? 3.12 beta 2 drops the bar with links to last names when you click on a letter without patrons. Safari/Chrome on OS X. Can't find anything on it on Bugzilla
12:12 Viktor        (The stuff that should go after "Browse by last name:"
12:12 kf            known bug
12:12 kf            somewhere in bugzilla
12:12 Viktor        Thanks kf
12:12 kf            let me find it - I filed it
12:13 Viktor        I'll have to hone my Bugzilla skills then :)
12:13 Viktor        Happy as long as it's reported :)
12:13 kf            it might be part of a bug that got closed or something
12:13 kf            never hurts to check :)
12:13 kf            bug 9337
12:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9337 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Alphabet for browsing patrons by last name not visible after performing a patron search
12:14 kf            Viktor: i looked for alphabet - normally I try one single word first
12:14 magnuse       drojf: oleonard is working on something like merging prog and ccsr, i think he has plans for 3.14 with it...
12:15 drojf         oh, that's fast!
12:15 drojf         and will scare the design person to death :P
12:15 Viktor        kf Aha - I tried a few short searches while limiting to patrons in advanced. Should perhaps tried browsing instead of searching.
12:15 magnuse       yup, oleonard is pretty awesome :-)
12:17 drojf         he is!
12:17 drojf         oleonard++
12:17 kf            magnuse: drojf: totally awesome
12:17 drojf         hi kf :)
12:18 drojf         i made a package all without you ;)
12:18 kf            Viktor: I only use the advanced search when everything else fails :)
12:18 kf            hi drojf :)
12:18 kf            that's good then ;)
12:18 kf            drojf: you cna roll your own packages witht he changes - that's what we are going to do
12:18 kf            drojf: thankfully there are not a lot of changes left, but we might also include the icons and things for the design etc.
12:19 drojf         hm yes that is what i was thinking about right now. if i do packages anyway, i could include that too. but the patch i build packages for will hopefully go into koha so i don't have to do that. having opac_includes as a syspref would be nice
12:20 * magnuse     updates http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Linked_Data_RFC
12:20 kf            hm it sounds familiar
12:20 kf            i wonder if we used to have that
12:20 kf            or doe we only have one for staff?
12:20 drojf         hm yes it would be nice to have the design person do the changes in git actually
12:21 drojf         we have one for staff. and i remember people talking about it for opac, so i was hoping we had that already
12:21 kf            aah
12:21 kf            ok
12:21 kf            yeah it makes sense
12:21 kf            but not sure if it's widely used
12:21 kf            you could also do a theme
12:21 kf            I think it just falls back to the files youdon't provide or something like that
12:21 drojf         to have themes removed in 3.14? i don't think so
12:22 kf            I think we only want to merge the default
12:22 kf            not remove theming options
12:22 kf            because supporting 2 themes in master is hard
12:22 drojf         at least someone wanted to do that, but i don't know
12:22 kf            i don't see good reason to
12:22 kf            kill a feature that works for those who want to go that way
12:22 oleonard      I think it's quite possible the new theme will be ready for 3.14
12:22 drojf         it's a while ago that i read the mails
12:22 kf            oleonard++
12:23 kf            oleonard: do you think I got it right? merge themes but keep option to have multiple themes?
12:23 oleonard      ..but I'm not sure how we manage the two old ones in that transition
12:23 drojf         oleonard, the wizard of UI
12:23 oleonard      kf: That's the way I understand it
12:24 oleonard      At this point I think maybe the new design could replace CCSR, then prog could be dropped after a time
12:25 oleonard      ...because there are probably fewer libraries with extensive CCSR customizations
12:25 magnuse       sounds like a plan!
12:25 drojf         i see that doing layout customisation NOW is a bad idea :D
12:26 oleonard      drojf: My goal for the new theme is that it has all the same customization options as prog, but the layout will be based on a new grid system
12:26 drojf         oleonard: that sounds fantastic to me
12:27 oleonard      So yeah, *layout* customization now may not be a good idea, but other kinds of customizations could be more easily transferred
12:28 * kf          agrees with drojf
12:28 drojf         i was hoping to get the design person to use only sysprefs but it does not seem like that is the plan :/
12:28 kf            drojf: have you told them they will have to pay you lots more hours for updating?
12:29 drojf         [off] not yet. i was holding the "ditch packages and i quit immediately" card right in my hands ^^
12:30 * kf          sends drojf extra cookies
12:30 drojf         thanks :)
12:30 drojf         kf++ # cookies!
12:31 tcohen        morning #koha
12:31 drojf         hi tcohen
12:31 kf            gluten free of course
12:32 drojf         :)
12:32 tcohen        gluten rules
12:32 drojf         you can have it all!
12:32 tcohen        :-P
12:39 jcamins       Hey...
12:39 jcamins       didn't I push a patch fixing the encoding of tags?
12:41 libsysguy     morning
12:41 wahanui       morning is a state of cat
12:42 libsysguy     morning is a state of caffeination
12:43 jcamins       Morning.
12:43 wahanui       Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
12:47 kf            morning jcamins
12:47 kf            :)
12:57 druthb        o/
12:58 druthb        @later tell rangi problems with the home network last night…pull requests delayed to tonight.
12:58 huginn        druthb: The operation succeeded.
13:07 drojf         we should have a "go unsubscribe yourself" autoresponder :P
13:09 druthb        drojf++
13:11 jenkins_koha  Starting build #11 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:11 drojf         hi druthb
13:12 druthb        Hi, drojf! :D
13:13 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9358' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06b887630b8ebca124e88579fe6c0a586daaad47> / Bug 9358 - Followup - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb47df4bbbc676e29f75c1c686c9ba12e8e73b57> / Bug 9358 - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 <
13:14 * druthb      was thinking of her German friends on the way to work today; the BBC World Service was having an interview with a lady who is the head of Corporate Diversity for Daimler, who was talking about the cultural barriers to women in management in Germany.
13:15 druthb        The interview was in English, and the lady's voice was almost as pretty as kf's.
13:15 kf            maybe it's just the German accent then ;)
13:16 drojf         heh
13:16 druthb        :)
13:31 drojf         looks like rangi backported list.gif away for 3.10.x :O
13:32 oleonard      ?
13:32 quocuy        hi everyone
13:33 drojf         oleonard: i upgraded from 3.8 to 3.10 and list.gif is missing from the opac due to bug 8108 it seems
13:33 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused images from the OPAC
13:33 quocuy        do we have a meeting today?
13:34 oleonard      Or Bug 7500 drojf ?
13:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7500 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Use CSS Sprites in the OPAC for faster page loading
13:35 drojf         oh, i got more. after a search i am missing addtolist-small.gif, highlight.gif and list.gif
13:35 kf            drojf: packages?
13:35 wahanui       packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
13:35 drojf         yes
13:35 kf            there are some path problems there I think with patches in bugzilla (signed off list)
13:35 kf            not sure but one of those might affect you
13:36 drojf         the yui thing should be ok now. and it looked different
13:36 drojf         that one i remember about path problems
13:36 tcohen        bug 10084
13:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10084 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , YUI path wrong in CCSR theme with packages
13:37 drojf         thanks, but we are using prog so that should not affect us
13:37 tcohen        ok
13:38 magnuse       anyone else seen this: one library has 8 copies of a book, with 2 different Shelving locations (3 in one, 5 in the other). in search results they are displayed as "Copies available: libraryx (3), libraryx (5)"
13:38 drojf         the files are all on the list for removal of bug 8108 so i suppose that should not have been brought to 3.10 because these files were only not used in master?
13:38 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused images from the OPAC
13:38 * drojf       is confused
13:40 oleonard      7500 is in 3.10.x, so 8108 should apply to 3.10.x too
13:40 oleonard      Where are you noticing the problem drojf?
13:41 magnuse       drojf: you don't have translations that need to be refreshed?
13:41 drojf         ooooooh thanks magnuse. i think i did that the last time too. that is probably it
13:42 magnuse       yay
13:42 * drojf       is stupid
13:42 drojf         magnuse++
13:42 * magnuse     is stupid too, then
13:42 druthb        !
13:42 drojf         damn translations. why don't we all speak klingon or something :/
13:43 druthb        dissing_yourself--
13:43 magnuse       agreed! one language to rule them all!
13:43 drojf         :D
13:44 * druthb      seconds "Klingon."
13:44 * druthb      says in her deepest voice, "tlhIng'an maH!"
13:45 drojf         i should have expected someone here actually speaking klingon. my bad. :D
13:46 druthb        I speak Klingon about as well as I speak German.  Not very well, and only with a reference handy.
13:46 druthb        But kf has been teaching me words—enough so I would not starve if I came to Germany.
13:46 drojf         yeah, a lot of people here speak klingon :P
13:49 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.12.x build #11: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/11/
13:49 jenkins_koha  * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10085: unapi does not function under Plack
13:49 jenkins_koha  * Katrin Fischer: Bug 8294: Fix display of serial enumeration for OPAC holds
13:49 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 10026 - OPAC cart not showing location anymore
13:49 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10085 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Unapi does not function under Plack
13:49 jenkins_koha  * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15
13:49 jenkins_koha  * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Followup - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15
13:49 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8294 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , enumeration should show in copy specific hold menu
13:49 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10026 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC cart not showing location anymore
13:49 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9358 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15
13:49 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1146 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:49 kf            druthb: i also told you that people here speak english and half of the menus are english anyway
13:49 kf            also we have mcdonalds and the like, starving woudl be really really hard
13:49 magnuse       success! \o/
13:50 drojf         druthb kf i could perfectly imagine a grumpy berlin waiting person to not serve you a hamburger if you don't pronounce it in a german way ;D
13:51 druthb        magnuse:  Qapla'!  \o/
13:51 oleonard      And likewise, if you come to America you'll find that most Americans speak French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Polish, etc.
13:52 drojf         @INC contains: /home/chris/git/koha.git <-- hehe
13:52 oleonard      It's hard to keep up with them all, but we want to be good global citizens.
13:52 huginn        drojf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
13:52 druthb        *snrk*
13:52 kf            oleonard: lol
13:52 * druthb      wonders what space-time warp oleonard has been in.
13:52 * magnuse     senses a hint of irony or even sarcasm in oleonard's voice
13:53 druthb        magnuse:  deeep sarcasm.
13:53 magnuse       hehe
13:53 * magnuse     wanders off to practice his norwegian
13:53 druthb        being able to say "Good morning" in more than two languages is regarded as *very* unusual.
13:53 druthb        (at least, in the South.)
13:59 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "New #kohails plugins page: http://t.co/0ZLVvU7Pt9"
14:02 tcohen        that page doesn't exist tweetbot
14:04 oleonard      http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/
14:05 drojf         how do i update all language files at once? i think i only did it manually before
14:05 drojf         by language files i mean the .po files
14:08 nengard       hmmmm ... how did it mess up that link?
14:08 oleonard      It worked for me nengard
14:08 tcohen        cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po
14:08 tcohen        rm lang*.po
14:08 nengard       oh good - me too
14:08 nengard       :)
14:08 tcohen        for i in es-ES-pref.po es-ES-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po es-ES-i-opac-t-prog-v-3006000.po es-ES-opac-ccsr.po ; do wget -O $i http://translate.koha-community.org/es/312/$i/download/ ; done
14:09 tcohen        (that's for es-ES of course drojf)
14:10 kf            hm some interesting examples
14:10 kf            tcohen: copying that :)
14:12 kf            druthb: can we close 9018?
14:13 drojf         tcohen: thanks! i thought i could get all files for all languages automatically
14:13 drojf         but we have only english and german at the moment it seems :D
14:15 tcohen        I don't have the language codes list, but you could wrap that inside another for loop of course
14:16 drojf         i thought we had more languages activated, it does not really matter for german only. works fine btw, thanks
14:17 tcohen        should koha-enable support more than one instance as parameter eythian magnuse?
14:18 tcohen        its coded for that, but [ "$#" = 1 ] thinks otherwise
14:27 tcohen        anyone that uses the koha-enable command?
14:34 gmcharlt      tcohen: there's a loop after, so I think allowing more than one instance name was intended
14:34 gmcharlt      the parameter check just needs to be tweaked to check for *at least* one
14:34 tcohen        i'm revisiting those scripts as of bug 4876 and bug 10003
14:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4876 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Rewrite koha-* scripts in Perl, with error checking - omnibus
14:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash
14:35 drojf         "Vampyrologie für Bibliothekare". lol
14:40 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Pelham Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/5TPa25Fh6g #kohails"
14:44 tcohen        gmcharlt: would you abort if an instance is already enabled or non-existent? (context loop in koha-enable)
14:45 gmcharlt      tcohen: hmm, no -- just print a statement to the effect that it was already enabled
14:46 tcohen        ok, and non-existent?
14:47 gmcharlt      still warn, but don't abort
14:47 rambutan      @later tell wizzyrea We have about 3/4" of snow on the ground
14:47 huginn        rambutan: The operation succeeded.
14:47 rambutan      @wunder 64507
14:47 huginn        rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 0.4°C (9:43 AM CDT on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).  Freeze warning in effect from 1 am to 8 am CDT Wednesday... 
14:47 oleonard      rambutan: You're the other-people's-weather channel?
14:48 drojf         magnuse++ btw, it was of course a problem of old translation files
14:48 oleonard      @wunder 45701
14:48 huginn        oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 16.1°C (10:21 AM EDT on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
14:48 rambutan      weather underground?
14:50 tcohen        @wunder cordoba, argentina
14:50 huginn        tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 25.0°C (11:00 AM ART on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
14:50 druthb        @wunder 77098
14:50 huginn        druthb: The current temperature in Morningside Place, Houston, Texas is 22.3°C (9:45 AM CDT on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
14:57 drojf         i think the university server reindexes slower than my raspberry pi :/
14:58 kf            Joubu++ for unit tests :)
14:58 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1146: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1146/
14:58 jenkins_koha  * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10085: unapi does not function under Plack
14:58 jenkins_koha  * Katrin Fischer: Bug 8294: Fix display of serial enumeration for OPAC holds
14:58 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 10026 - OPAC cart not showing location anymore
14:58 jenkins_koha  * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15
14:58 jenkins_koha  * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Followup - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15
14:58 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10085 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Unapi does not function under Plack
14:58 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8294 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , enumeration should show in copy specific hold menu
14:58 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10026 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC cart not showing location anymore
14:58 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9358 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15
15:00 Joubu         kf: Thanks, but I'm not happy. I reinvent the wheel (create order, basket, vendor, etc.) for 3 little tests :-/
15:01 Joubu         it's better than nothing!
15:02 kf            it definitely is
15:02 kf            why is acq so hard?
15:03 kf            I mean everyone says it is and I blieve it :) but what's the main reason? data linked together so much?
15:07 kf            hm probably
15:07 * kf          goes back to checkign serials data imports
15:11 tcohen        am i wrong or changing apache configs need a reload instead of a restart command?
15:11 jcamins       tcohen: reload works sometimes.
15:11 jcamins       Restart works all the time.
15:11 jcamins       I use restart.
15:12 tcohen        thanks jcamins
15:12 druthb        Part of the reason it's so hard, kf, is the lack of any sorts of useful standards for how one does it.  (unlike, say, cataloging, where we have AACR/MARCish things that say "here's how to do it."  Each *institution* can do purchase orders different, mostly.)
15:17 oleonard      ...when really they should all be speaking Klingon.
15:17 drojf         yay, update done, nothing obviously broken \o/
15:17 druthb        oleonard++
15:19 oleonard      Klingon is the new Esperanto
15:21 reiveune      bye
15:27 asaurat       esperanto is nice :) and easier than klingon ;)
15:27 * kf          waves to asaurat
15:27 asaurat       salut :)
15:28 druthb        bonan matenon, asurat! :)
15:28 asaurat       charmita :D
15:29 oleonard      Now see that just looks like you're speaking any number of languages incorrectly.
15:29 asaurat       yeah, somehow, hehe
15:29 tcohen        bug 10101, i'm loving  the palindrome
15:29 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10101 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-enable error handling
15:29 asaurat       it's not very beautiful
15:30 asaurat       well, a good part of the esperanto writings belong to the poetry genre, maybe some gems are awaiting here and there =)
15:31 asaurat       before the couchsurfing community, esperanto was a good way to travel
15:31 kf            someone recently pointed out that stressed reads desserts backwards... which explains a whole lot
15:31 asaurat       lol
15:31 asaurat       never noticed that hehe
15:32 druthb        The nice thing about Esperanto is that the vowels do not change meaning with pronunciation.
15:33 druthb        You can't say the "wrong" word by mispronouncing a vowel…it's just "an accent."
15:33 asaurat       yep, it's easy to lean and easy to understand during a conversation (well, I just took a few lessons...)
15:34 oleonard      Does anyone have an example of an active AuthorisedValueImages system preference showing images in OPAC search results?
15:34 oleonard      I tried setting an image for a LOC value, but it isn't showing up in search results
15:35 jcamins       oleonard: when I tested your patch for that it worked.
15:35 drojf         kf: did the problem with 10050 get fixed or did rangi just not find it? :)
15:36 kf            he didn't find it
15:36 kf            but it's on my list... and it's a long list
15:36 kf            if you got a minute a patch would be awesme
15:36 asaurat       good evening, bis Donnerstag
15:36 oleonard      jcamins: Oh, forgot it's only biblio-level (which makes sense)
15:38 drojf         kf: seems like i am done with my work here, so yes. if i find the log of our conversation and remember what the problem was :)
15:39 kf            the problem is that the pref is missing from sysprefs.sql
15:39 drojf         ah right!
15:39 kf            and it seems that when you switch it in the editor and it does not exist in the database
15:39 kf            it's added in lowercase
15:39 kf            and that makes the sql fail
15:39 kf            while it shoudl be matching the capitalization from the pref editor
15:40 kf            guess that would warrant another fix, but adding it to the sysprefs.sql would be nice still
15:40 kf            jcamins: and that is the reason why all new prefs should be added to sysprefs.sql
15:41 kf            I wonder if we also need a database update... not sure when the pref was introduced
15:42 kf            reasons I love koha - this library got an update of over 6800 records last thursday and we didn't even notice it :)
15:42 kf            with the automated imports from the union catalog
15:42 drojf         witchcraft!
15:42 kf            hehe yes:)
15:43 drojf         did you see the vampire book on inetbib? i have not had the time to look what it actually is
15:43 jcamins       I don't know what you're talking about, but so far as I know, all new prefs have been added to sysprefs.sql.
15:43 jcamins       If one wasn't, a patch is welcome.
16:00 rambutan      @later tell wizzyrea http://imageshack.com/photo/my-images/132/vansnow01.jpg/
16:00 huginn        rambutan: The operation succeeded.
16:00 * druthb      does not miss snow.  Not a bit.
16:01 * druthb      wore a sleeveless blouse to work today, and drove with the windows down.
16:01 libsysguy     speaking of work
16:01 libsysguy     is lunch down there yet?
16:01 rambutan      ya, y'all living in the tropics... :)
16:02 libsysguy     :p
16:03 rambutan      I used to live in SAT, I remember watering my lawn at midnight on New Year's eve one time.
16:03 druthb        should be, libsysguy.  Come join me for lunch?
16:05 drojf         there is no ; at the end of the last line of syspref.sql in master. shouldn't that make it explode?
16:05 jcamins       Isn't it 11 on TX?
16:05 jcamins       drojf: it should.
16:06 jcamins       But doesn't, apparently, since I ran a new install a few weeks ago.
16:06 drojf         yay, fixing two bugs with one patch ;)
16:07 jcamins       *in TX
16:18 drojf         so, what's a test plan for a line missing in sysprefs.sql that nobody realized for two years?
16:20 jcamins       drojf: run new installation, check if you can change the syspref, and if you can, it passes?
16:22 drojf         oh look, starting a second VM with the same IP as the first is a bad idea. who would have imagined that.
16:22 jcamins       Heh.
16:26 kf            drojf: i downloaded it a few minutes ago :)
16:26 kf            jcamins: just pointing out we found a reason why it's bad :) and a missing one
16:27 kf            not to have the pref in the sql file that is
16:36 drojf         jcamins: i can actually change the syspref without the patch
16:37 jcamins       Oh, then what's the problem?
16:37 kf            jcamins: the problem is that it's different then the one added with the update - all lower case
16:37 jcamins       Ah.
16:37 jcamins       So, check whether it's capitalized properly. :)
16:37 kf            and that's why the German installer won't update it
16:37 kf            it's a weird bug
16:41 drojf         it's getting more confusing by the minute
16:41 kf            which is a good moment to leave :)
16:41 kf            bye all :)
16:41 drojf         kf: when i try to add it manually in mysql, it does not care about case
16:42 drojf         yeah right, confuse me and run off :P
16:42 kf            heh
16:42 kf            you said it didn't work!
16:42 kf            :)
16:42 kf            I will be back soon
16:42 drojf         well, it didn't. it is not there after installation
16:43 kf            ah right
16:43 drojf         that is the confusing part
16:43 kf            so maybe just add it?
16:43 drojf         does case matter for sql from the installer but not manually?
16:43 kf            hm it can#t be there because it's not loaded
16:43 kf            I guess the problem was not case
16:43 drojf         ah, right, its added afterwards
16:43 drojf         yes
16:43 kf            for that
16:43 drojf         thanks for unconfusing me, you may leave
16:43 drojf         ;)
16:44 kf            I confused you int he first place so it was only fair
16:44 drojf         :)
16:44 kf            guess the lc/uc doesn't matter much, but it's not really nice
16:46 drojf         then fix it, it's wrong in your patch :P
16:51 drojf         bug 10103
16:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10103 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , UniqueItemFields is missing from sysprefs.sql
16:51 jcamins       Regarding khall's e-mail... is that really a feature Koha doesn't have?
16:53 oleonard      jcamins: There's no way to renew something by simply scanning the barcode. Renewals have to go through a patron screen.
16:53 khall         it's a school that wants it. Each class just puts all the books for renewal in a bin, and the bin does to the library. So many difference items checked out to different students need to be renewed, and they don't know who they are checked out to off hand.
16:53 jcamins       That shocks me.
16:54 oleonard      jcamins: Did you think you just hadn't happened across it yet? :)
16:54 jcamins       Yup.
16:54 jcamins       I rarely use circ.
16:54 gmcharlt      sounds like a use case that other schools might want, though -- should be considered for master rather than a plugin, IMO
16:55 jcamins       Agreed.
16:55 jcamins       I was just checking whether it was true we couldn't do it before saying so.
16:55 jcamins       (not that I doubted khall, but it's kind of hard to believe)
16:56 oleonard      It's much easier public libraries too, to be able to be handed a book and renew it without having to ask for the patron's card.
16:56 drojf         i'm pretty sure german school libraries would use it. if they'd finally start using koha
16:56 jcamins       We used that at my undergrad institution.
16:57 drojf         i don't think you can renew anything without your card in public and university libraries though. at least in none i use
16:57 khall         if we wanted to go crazy we could have a 'renewal' tab by the 'checkout' and 'search' tabs in the header
16:57 jcamins       Professors would send a grad assistant with photocopies of the barcodes.
16:57 jcamins       Actually, it may just have been one professor.
16:57 drojf         lol
16:58 drojf         my work here is done
16:58 * drojf       heads home
17:49 tcohen        hmm, back from lunch, less productive I guess
18:12 tcohen        connection refused connecting to debian.koha-community.org
18:12 jcamins       Works for me.
18:14 tcohen        yes, problems on our gw i guess
18:25 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Today's partner quote: "A year ago today VALNet went live with #KohaILS. It's been a great year and I'm looking forward to the next one.""
18:38 oleonard      Working on the search results page: http://zivotdesign.com/zp/Koha/bootstrap-opac-redesign/bootstrap-opac-search-results-with-new-toolbar.png
18:39 oleonard      I'm trying a new "toolbar" design for the search results like the one I did for lists, where controls are activated after you make a selection
18:39 oleonard      That lets me separate those controls from the highlight/unhighlight link and the sort form, giving more space for everything
18:39 oleonard      But "unhighlight" looks pretty lonely up there.
18:45 jcamins       oleonard: nice! But you're right.
18:45 * cait        waves
18:47 jcamins       oleonard: what about adding that to the toolbar at the top?
18:48 oleonard      I don't understand
18:49 jcamins       oleonard: the black bar at the top- could you add a highlight/unhighlight toggle there instead of floating in the middle of the page?
18:50 oleonard      I don't think that would make sense--Highlighting is only happening within the table of search results
18:50 jcamins       Oh, true.
19:05 oleonard      I've got the Cart and Lists buttons working too: http://zivotdesign.com/zp/Koha/bootstrap-opac-redesign/bootstrap-opac-search-results-showing-lists-menu-and-cart-indicator.png
19:07 jcamins       oleonard++
19:07 libsysguy     looks good man
19:08 tcohen        yeah, really good
19:23 jcamins       Hehe. I just cataloged two 5-1/4" floppies and their user manual.
19:25 oleonard      Radical.
19:25 oleonard      Did you flop them, just for fun?
19:30 jcamins       oleonard: I did not.
19:37 rangi         Morning
19:37 wahanui       i heard Morning was a state of cat
19:38 oleonard      Hi rangi
19:38 * cait        waves
19:42 rangi         What's new?
19:43 cait          in eight hours? not much :)
19:45 * oleonard    wonders if anyone has strong feelings about CSS rule organization
19:46 rangi         Nope
19:47 gmcharlt      oleonard: my only feeling: having fewer of them would be good
19:48 rangi         W
19:48 oleonard      gmcharlt: My method right now is to only copy styles from the current stylesheet as they are needed, so hopefully it will be trimmed down.
19:48 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
19:49 gmcharlt      oleonard++
19:49 rangi         ould one of the frameworks be useful?
19:49 rangi         I forget all the things the design team tell mr
19:49 jcamins       I've been using LESS, and in turns out it _does_ make it easier.
19:49 rangi         Me even
19:50 rangi         Ah yeah that was one
19:50 jcamins       Color me surprised.
19:50 mtompset      What colour is suprised? ;)
19:50 oleonard      I'd love to be able to ship Koha with minified versions of our CSS, and LESS would help us do that
19:51 oleonard      We'd have to get everyone on board though
19:51 jcamins       mtompset: with me? Kind of an off-white grayish color.
19:51 jcamins       Just like everything else. :P
19:51 mtompset      minified? You mean one giant line?
19:51 jcamins       Hopefully not-so-giant.
19:52 oleonard      mtompset: If we used LESS we could include both a minified and non-minified version of the CSS but only link to the minified version
19:52 mtompset      But \n's are so irrelevant to CSS. ;)
19:52 jcamins       mtompset: exactly. One character fewer per line.
19:52 oleonard      I'm not sure it makes much of a difference if the server is gzipping
19:52 mtompset      Which means one giant line. ;)
19:53 jcamins       mtompset: one line, but hopefully not a giant one. ;)
19:53 rangi         My stop brb
19:53 oleonard      Note that the current main OPAC css file is almost 3000 lines long
19:53 mtompset      less minifies?
19:54 oleonard      Doesn't it include that option?
19:54 * oleonard    could be wrong
19:54 cait          brb
19:54 jcamins       If you add -c in the command line.
19:54 jcamins       It does.
19:55 mtompset      -c? That's --clear-screen, isn't it?
19:55 jcamins       -x sorry
19:56 jcamins       Or --yui-compress, though I don't know exactly what that does.
19:57 rangi         Oh meeting in an hour?
19:57 jcamins       I thought 7 minutes, but maybe.
19:58 druthb        o/
20:00 drojf         http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=KohaCon+13+IRC+Planning+Meeting+April&iso=20130423T14&p1=599 ?
20:01 jcamins       So, yeah, hour.
20:01 mtompset      and 3 minutes. :P
20:01 jcamins       Right.
20:03 rangi         :)
20:03 rangi         hi druthb
20:04 druthb        hi, rangi! :D
20:04 jcamins       cait: drojf: Why doesn't Kochbuchverlag have an umlaut?
20:05 drojf         where would you put the umlaut? :)
20:05 oleonard      Everywhere!
20:05 wahanui       i think everywhere is a suburb
20:05 drojf         hehe
20:05 druthb        drojf++
20:05 jcamins       drojf: Köchbuchverlag.
20:05 jcamins       Every other word to do with kitchens has an umlaut in the first syllable.
20:06 druthb        @quote add "jcamins: Why doesn't Kochbuchverlag have an umlaut?" "drojf: where would you put the umlaut? :)" "oleonard: Everywhere!"
20:06 huginn        druthb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #242 added.
20:06 * druthb      whistles innocently
20:07 druthb        @quote search umlaut
20:07 huginn        druthb: 1 found: #242: "jcamins: Why doesn't Kochbuchverlag have an..."
20:07 druthb        @quote random
20:07 huginn        druthb: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011)
20:07 drojf         jcamins: 'kochen' means cooking. a 'koch' is a cook. the plural actually has an umlaut. 'die köche' - the cooks. the 'koch' in 'kochbuch' comes from the verb though
20:08 drojf         and what do you mean by "Every other word to do with kitchens has an umlaut in the first syllable."? :D
20:08 mtompset      His sample data was too small? :)
20:08 jcamins       drojf: Der Küche, and there were several compound words with Küche-
20:08 drojf         lol. hi mtompset
20:09 mtompset      Greetings, drojf druthb oleonard jcamins rangi gmcharlt. :)
20:09 druthb        hi, mtompset! :)
20:09 drojf         jcamins: die küche ;) yeah the compounds have küchen-* too. but do you have other kitchen-related words with umlaut?
20:10 drojf         back- (bake-/baking-) also does not get one
20:10 jcamins       drojf: no, just types of kitchens.
20:10 drojf         lol
20:10 * mtompset    grins, "I was right! Small sample size."
20:10 jcamins       But this is the first cookbook in German which had an example of a non-umlauted kitcheny word.
20:10 drojf         :)
20:11 cait          jcamins: and you say I have weird data....
20:11 * mtompset    laughs and high fives cait.
20:11 mtompset      Greetings, cait. :)
20:12 jcamins       cait: What? It's a pile of cookbooks.
20:15 alohabot      Hi mib_ec04hs, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
20:16 cait          eythian: ping
20:17 drojf         that's a stupid time for forced disconnect
20:17 cait          wb drojf
20:20 oleonard      Bye #koha
20:23 * magnuse     has heard of heavy metal umlaut, but not kitchen umlaut
20:25 rambutan      should hugelkultur have an umlaut in German?
20:25 cait          I guess it could
20:25 cait          hügelkultur
20:25 cait          just not sure what it is :)
20:25 rambutan      http://www.richsoil.com/hugelkultur/
20:25 cait          aah
20:25 cait          hügel = hills
20:26 magnuse       in norwegian "hyggelig" = nice, friendly, cozy
20:26 magnuse       so a friendly cilture?
20:29 * druthb      tried to change her nick to drüthb, but the server doesn't like that.  Guess rambütan is out of luck, too.
20:29 magnuse       gah!
20:30 druthb        :P
20:30 rambutan      druthb: /nick rambütan
20:30 rambutan      oops
20:30 * druthb      hands out heavy-metal umlauts.
20:31 rambutan      seems to just >/dev/null
20:31 jcamins       Aww. I wanted an umlaut in my nick!
20:31 druthb        I got an error back from the server when I tried it.  Illegal char.
20:31 magnuse       i get nothing
20:32 jcamins       Mibbit tells me I need a new nick.
20:32 druthb        jcämins  :P
20:32 druthb        Is it more-metal to umlaut the I, which is less-likely in the wild?
20:32 druthb        jcamïns… hm
20:33 * mtompset    looks away and looks back and laughs at druthb's umlaut-izing of jcamins. :)
20:33 magnuse       Queensrÿche?
20:33 druthb        mtömpset ?
20:33 jcamins       That character doesn't render for me.
20:33 magnuse       ï does not *look* heavy to me...
20:33 cait          cäit
20:34 jcamins       magnuse: what did you type?
20:34 magnuse       i with two dots
20:34 jcamins       Like this: ï
20:34 jcamins       ?
20:34 magnuse       umlaut-i
20:34 druthb        Queensrÿche
20:34 magnuse       yup
20:34 mtompset      "mtömpset Erroneous Nickname" -- sorry, druthb. :P
20:34 jcamins       I wonder why when you typed it it did not work.
20:34 jcamins       (on my screen)
20:34 druthb        yeah, composed chars just don't work as nicks.
20:34 druthb        not unicode-compliant.
20:34 cait          discriminating against umlauts? tsk
20:35 mtompset      I agree with you, cait. They are so ascii-ist. ;)
20:35 magnuse       mägnüse
20:35 druthb        yes!
20:35 druthb        oooh..  Magnus is more metal than we are.  *two* umlauts!
20:35 magnuse       moahaha!
20:36 mtompset      Come on, if you are going to umlaut two vowels, why not all of them, magnuse? :P
20:36 magnuse       *and* i hail from the homeland of black metal...
20:36 magnuse       mtompset: oops, sorry it slipped...
20:36 drojf         hail seitan!
20:37 cait          that not tofu stuff?
20:37 druthb        http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=666
20:37 magnuse       "A "second wave" arose in the early 1990s, spearheaded by Norwegian bands such as Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Immortal and Emperor. The early Norwegian black metal scene developed the style of their forebears into a distinct genre. Norwegian-inspired black metal scenes emerged throughout Europe and North America" (Wikipedia)
20:37 drojf         cait: gluten :D
20:39 magnuse       http://veganblackmetalchef.com/ ?
20:39 magnuse       oops, did i scare khall_away away?
20:40 khall_away    nope, I'm just taking off for the day! Take care everyone!
20:40 magnuse       hehe, have fun khall_away!
20:40 drojf         magnuse: yes!
20:41 magnuse       yes what?
20:42 jcamins       The only way to cook seitan.
20:44 magnuse       is that a fish you can buy in the chinese market?
20:44 drojf         magnuse: yes, veganblackmetalchef.com
20:44 jcamins       magnuse: no, it's processed gluten.
20:45 trea          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg
20:45 trea          cut the tofu, turn the plate.
20:45 jcamins       Add the srirachaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
20:46 rangi         :)
20:48 rangi         https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrents-secure-dropbox-alternative-goes-public-130423/
20:49 rangi         i still like git annex assistant better, but this is still better than dropbox
20:49 rangi         hen
20:49 magnuse       too bad this is not subtitled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtBHJ0ZMDr4 italian black metal fans studying norwegian at university :-)
20:49 rangi         heh too
20:50 * magnuse     should get around to checking out git annex
20:54 * magnuse     scares himself off to bed
20:55 gmcharlt      git-annex++
20:56 rangi         hiya nancyk
20:57 cait          hi nancyk
20:58 nancyk        hi cait
20:58 nancyk        and rangi
21:02 nancyk        2 minutes
21:03 nancyk        #Startmeeting - KohaCon 13 Planning Meeting
21:04 nancyk        #topic - Introductions
21:04 nancyk        nancyk KohaCon13 chair
21:04 jcamins       @botsnack test
21:04 huginn        jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes
21:04 jcamins       nancyk: looks like huginn didn't recognize the startmeeting. Perhaps all lowercase?
21:05 nancyk        #startmeeting - KohaCon 13 Planning meeting April 23
21:05 huginn        Meeting started Tue Apr 23 21:01:53 2013 UTC.  The chair is nancyk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:05 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:05 huginn        The meeting name has been set to '__kohacon_13_planning_meeting_april_23'
21:05 nancyk        thanks
21:06 William       Hello Jcamis will this help http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/pilot.html
21:06 nancyk        #topic - Registration and program update
21:06 jcamins       William: I just wanted to know if huginn was working. No need for actual quotes. :)
21:07 William       OH apologies :)
21:07 nancyk        We currently have 38 people registered, and 19 programs proposed, and an opening speaker.
21:07 rangi         hmm
21:07 rangi         oh cool
21:07 jcamins       How many slots are there to fill?
21:07 nancyk        Some people have indicated they will be bringing others, but they have not yet registered.
21:08 rangi         38 before a programme is published is a really good number
21:08 nancyk        Subjects covered will be training, 14 years of the Koha project, hardware requirements for standard, and virtual servers, access all library materials at one time with VuFind, round table discussions, using telephone notification in Koha, Koha live USB for LIS teaching purposes
21:08 nancyk        And Libki demo, plug-ins, access all library materials at one time with DSpace, how to test and sign off on bugs, history of Koha, community organization, Koha use cases, new web services and Drupal integration, a Nevada cultural moment, serials management on a shoestring, open source ERms and GoKB
21:09 rangi         those all sound good
21:09 cait          yep
21:09 nancyk        We still need someone to present newbie resources, discussion on future development of Koha’s multi-language capabilities.
21:09 nancyk        The April 15 deadline was to get people to submit their programs.  We can still take more.
21:09 rangi         cool
21:10 nancyk        #topic - Programs group needs to meet
21:10 rangi         if you want to do a 'deadline extended' type email im happy to send it forward it far and wide
21:10 nancyk        ok rangi
21:10 jcamins       About how many sessions would you estimate there is time for on the schedule?
21:10 cait          maybe we could ask some poeple for presentations?
21:11 cait          I would think one on acq would be cool to go with the serials one
21:11 rangi         that is a good idea cait
21:11 nancyk        I will meet with Nicole soon to get an idea of the program and it's holes.
21:11 rangi         nancyk: will we be breaking for morning tea, lunch and afternoon tea?
21:11 cait          and I think oleonard wnated to do something maybe?
21:11 cait          having him talk about the new opac design might be nice
21:11 nancyk        Of course
21:12 rangi         so 4 sessions, of around 1.5 - 2 hours each
21:12 rangi         * 3
21:12 nancyk        we are planning on lots of great topics and breaks.
21:12 rangi         need 12 sessions worth
21:12 rangi         so thats about 30ish
21:13 jcamins       Thanks.
21:13 rangi         less if some ppl do 1+ slots
21:13 rangi         like a panel might take 1.5 hours
21:13 jcamins       Just trying to get a sense of whether there was a desperate need for more talks.
21:13 rangi         id say we need around 5-10 more at a total guestimate
21:13 nancyk        I think we will be doing fine with just a few additions, and we have the round table discussions that could be extended.
21:13 * gmcharlt    can fill in another slot if needed
21:14 jcamins       But not desperately. Thanks.
21:14 rangi         yay!
21:14 * rangi       is nosey who the keynote is
21:14 nancyk        #topic Opening speaker
21:14 cait          gmcharlt: maybe update on next version?
21:14 nancyk        Galen Charlton, next RM, on where Koha is headed, and something inspirational!
21:15 rangi         sweet
21:15 jcamins       cait: so much for that. ;)
21:15 jcamins       It's already taken.
21:15 nancyk        #topic Mistress of Ceremonies
21:16 cait          :)
21:16 nancyk        Megan Conelly, our local gal
21:16 nancyk        #topic - Donations and Sponsorships
21:16 rangi         excellent
21:17 nancyk        We are getting ready to send out sponsorship invitations to vendors.  They will be invited to sponsor food for our break times, buses for our trips on Saturday, or just to give money.
21:17 nancyk        Sponsors will be acknowledged before and during the conference.   We will be asking local restaurants for discounts.  More information will be on the KohaCon13 web site soon.
21:17 rangi         awesomesauce
21:17 gmcharlt      they serve that in Reno?  Wow!
21:17 nancyk        is that a real word?
21:17 rangi         it is now
21:18 jcamins       It is on #koha.
21:18 nancyk        #topic - Road Trip
21:18 William       reno has wicked awesomesauce
21:18 * wizzyrea    pours the awesomesauce all over Kohacon, and proclaims it "good"
21:18 cait          I would say that sounds like it#s going to be a great event :)
21:18 nancyk        We are investigating Tahoe, Squaw Valley, Virginia City, University of Nevada, Reno Makerspace.  Special event NLA President’s reception:  Beer, wine and food at the Downtown Reno library branch Thursday night.  Cost most likely $20 U.S. dollars, and a directly north from the Atlantis via short bus ride.
21:19 rangi         ohh those all sound good
21:19 nancyk        #topic - Vendor requests
21:19 nancyk        I forgot what this was to be about
21:19 cait          :)
21:20 nancyk        But -Any vendors requesting booth space at KohaCon13, are being directed to our NLA (Nevada Library Association) friends who will be just next door.  Our attendees will be welcome to visit NLA vendors if they desire.
21:20 rangi         cool
21:20 gmcharlt      will KohaCon folks be able to access the NLA meeting (or its exhibits space, at least), free of charge?
21:20 nancyk        #topic - What have we forgotten?
21:21 rangi         at the last few kohacons, we've had a table where vendors can put material .. all on the same table, but no boothy salesy stuff
21:21 rangi         i think that worked ok?
21:21 nancyk        exhibit space is free, conference not.
21:21 gmcharlt      nancyk: thanks
21:21 cait          having them next door sounds like a good solution to me :)
21:21 jcamins       Anyway, our talks will be cooler so no one will want to go to them anyway. :)
21:21 rangi         you'd have to be mad to be at a booth and miss the talks
21:21 rangi         exactly!
21:21 cait          we can still have a table I guess? can put where to find them next door there too
21:22 nancyk        next up - A digital flier will be sent to Library organizations, and anyone who requests one.
21:23 rangi         whats going to be in that?
21:24 nancyk        links to info about Koha, and the conference.  This will be for interested libraries.
21:24 rangi         ah righto
21:24 nancyk        We want to have non users come too
21:24 rangi         yup
21:25 rangi         its usually around 50/50
21:25 nancyk        anything else?
21:25 wahanui       anything else is, like, a guess
21:25 cait          nancyk: sounds all well planned out :)
21:25 nancyk        wow, it's almost like I know what I'm doing!
21:26 nancyk        #topic - how about next meeting will be May 23rd at 22 UTC?
21:27 nancyk        thanks for attending and giving feedback today.
21:27 cait          sounds good to me :)
21:27 cait          nancyk++
21:27 jcamins       The day after the release!
21:27 nancyk        #endmeeting
21:27 huginn        Meeting ended Tue Apr 23 21:23:53 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
21:27 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/__kohacon_13_planning_meeting_april_23.2013-04-23-21.01.html
21:27 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/__kohacon_13_planning_meeting_april_23.2013-04-23-21.01.txt
21:27 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/__kohacon_13_planning_meeting_april_23.2013-04-23-21.01.log.html
21:27 cait          night all :)
22:14 mtompset      Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone! :)
22:46 wizzyrea      very quiet in here
22:52 tcohen        good evening
22:53 rangi         hi tcohen
22:53 eythian       hi
22:53 wahanui       salut, eythian
22:53 tcohen        been playing a bit with the scripts eythian
22:53 eythian       cool
22:54 tcohen        i'm having fun with the tab-completion thing
22:55 eythian       sweet :)
22:59 tcohen        are there any important koha-create bugs around?
22:59 tcohen        besides the rollback issue?
23:02 eythian       hmm, we'd like to extend it to allow DOM indexing to be configured from it, though that's more than just koha-create really.
23:02 eythian       I don't know of any off the top of my head, though that doesn't mean it's not there.
23:03 tcohen        memcached support should be quite easy to implement
23:03 tcohen        anyway, I refered to bugs that have patches waiting to be pushed actually
23:07 tcohen        tell me eythian, what is needed for the DOM bug?
23:07 tcohen        is it difficult to support it?
23:08 tcohen        i can trade work for *some* bug being pushed
23:08 eythian       ah right. I don't think it'd be too hard, it'd require some changes to the koha-conf.xml template mostly, allowing parts to be switched on and off to let the config be DOM or GRS.
23:08 eythian       heh
23:08 eythian       I'm hoping to get a couple of things checked out this morning, but can't do much: have a big thing to write today that has a tight deadline
23:08 tcohen        (one we really need for using 3.12 packages ;))
23:08 eythian       which one is that?
23:08 tcohen        oh, I see
23:09 tcohen        8773
23:11 eythian       I'll see if I can have a look through that today.
23:11 eythian       if it's quick, I can possibly get it sorted soon.
23:12 tcohen        the relevant part is that the code that launches it is commented out
23:12 tcohen        its there for someone that'd like to test it
23:13 tcohen        if we happen to include a new indexer, we can change it in one place and should work too
23:14 tcohen        (we will actually use it, and patch it if something appears)
23:14 tcohen        oh, gotta run: coooking and koha is not a good mixture
23:14 eythian       heh
23:15 tcohen        bbl
23:26 jcamins       What do you mean?
23:27 jcamins       Cooking and Koha is a great mixture!
23:27 wizzyrea      ^^
23:33 melia         rangi around?
23:33 rangi         yup
23:34 melia         well hello sir.  how's it going?
23:34 rangi         hehe not too bad, hows things with you?
23:35 melia         I have been sick but am back in the game today!
23:35 melia         I was looking for the 3.10.5 release and don't see it. not out yet? (sorry if hundreds of other people have already asked you that questions!)
23:36 rangi         nope not out yet, waiting on the po files before i can release
23:36 melia         ah the po files
23:36 melia         okey doke. thanks!
23:36 rangi         the release notes are up in git though
23:36 rangi         if you want to read them
23:37 rangi         http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_10_5.txt;h=cfec2c3ede74ec382050922f2e62d20b0448035a;hb=0d56930529f85f54208b40bccbcb5e22f1543948
23:37 dcook         mtj: The boss took a look at that MARC::Moose::Formater::UnimarcToMarc21 module last night. He said it did a good job of the conversion overall, but lost the 942/952/999 fields :/
23:38 eythian       hello papa