Time  Nick          Message
23:47 wizzyrea      oo cool
23:47 cjh           currently only support paypal and bitcoin, but it is open source https://github.com/freedomsponsors
23:47 cjh           http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
23:18 trea          hi eythian_levin
23:13 eythian_levin hi
22:32 Guest3097     Thank you all for your support
22:31 Guest3097     Hello, just to let you know that I have configured it to work with IP and I have finally complete the installation. I AM SO GLAD IT WORKS, at last
21:08 Guest3097     intranet should be the admin page, I am correct?
21:08 Guest3097     Hello, please I am currently looking at the apache config file for my site, I think I mixed up the servernames for the OPAC and intranet
21:03 Guest3097     hello, I checked and it seems like apache is running, do I paste the result?
20:59 Guest3097     I use khadmin for admin page and library for opac page all configured
20:57 Guest3097     ok, on port 80
20:57 wizzyrea      what you describe really sounds like an apache configuration issue
20:57 wizzyrea      is apache listening on the right ports, I mean
20:56 wizzyrea      are you listening on the right ports?
20:54 Guest3097     I follow the instructions as I have been advised after re-installing my server and all went on smooth up till this point
20:54 Guest3097     like what?
20:53 wizzyrea      did you change something?
20:53 wizzyrea      is apache running? mysql?
20:53 Guest3097     But the ip address resoves to the OPAC page
20:53 cait          hm
20:53 Guest3097     Server not available
20:53 cait          what do you see?
20:52 Guest3097     My koha admin page is not loading...
20:52 Guest3097     I have been able to successfully install KOHA and created the koha instance, but I need guidance from here on
20:51 cait          hi Guest3097 ;)
20:50 Guest3097     Hello and good day to you all
20:21 oleonard      See you tomorrow #koha
20:18 tcohen        oleonard++ for that opac snapshot
20:17 oleonard      Alright, out it goes
20:15 jcamins       oleonard: no.
20:13 oleonard      I see it in the template but no indication of how to trigger it
20:13 oleonard      Is the "scan index" feature active in the OPAC?
20:12 huginn        rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 17.9°C (3:08 PM CDT on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
20:12 rambutan      @wunder 64507
19:17 jcamins       jeff: koha-restful has been explicitly licensed GPLv3+: http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=blob;f=LICENSE;h=94a9ed024d3859793618152ea559a168bbcbb5e2;hb=HEAD (in case you didn't see clrh's announcement before)
19:15 tcohen        『3hi
19:12 * jcamins     was referring to the Koha theme, not a rock band from the late sixties and early seventies.
19:11 jcamins       *CCSR
19:11 jcamins       I like that a lot better than what CCR has right now. :)
19:10 oleonard      Trying to be CCSRish
19:10 jcamins       I like that style a lot.
19:09 cait          and act accordingly
19:09 cait          I think since then more code depending on the setting has crept in - but it would be nice if koha would detect items that have been created
19:09 oleonard      No, just a styled div
19:09 cait          i mean the setting would only matter for ordering new baskets
19:09 jcamins       oleonard: how did you do the actions area on the right? Is that a Bootstrap well?
19:07 cait          and koha would do the right thing on receive
19:07 cait          in the begining when this was introduced (acqcreateitem) you ycould test it with each setting
19:07 jcamins       oleonard++ # OAC + Bootstrap looks beautiful
19:07 cait          that they broke
19:07 cait          it will require fixing something
19:07 cait          also nice
18:59 jcamins       I was also asked about (optionally) overriding AcqCreateItem on a per-basket basis.
18:55 cait          often you have orders coming in late
18:55 cait          a lot
18:55 cait          yep
18:55 cait          i mean what you said will be already quite nice
18:55 jcamins       I was told that it happens around the end of the fiscal year and the beginning of the next... which means 4-6 months of the year!
18:55 cait          but that owuld be a nice one
18:55 cait          we don't dipslay them nicely... but harder to do and probably not funded
18:55 cait          the other problem is hierarchies
18:55 cait          i would welcome a sane display
18:55 cait          which can happend end of year
18:55 jcamins       Exactly.
18:54 cait          it will happen when you have multiple years active
18:54 cait          yeah in general we should have a more sane way of displying it
18:54 cait          ah
18:54 cait          ok let me reread that sentence
18:53 jcamins       I was asked about making it possible to choose between active budgets on the order receive page if more than one budget with the fund code selected for a given item is active.
18:50 cait          i tihnk the only place it soudl be budget is the budgets and funds pages
18:50 cait          you are probably right
18:49 jcamins       Could someone please look at orderreceive.pl and confirm for me whether I am right in thinking that the label should be "Fund" and not "Budget"?
18:42 huginn        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:42 jcamins       @later tell tcohen I'll test Plack patches, if I'm able.
18:41 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9819 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , stopwords related code should be removed
18:41 jcamins       bug 9819
18:39 mtompset      Well. I'm off to be a slave to my schedule. Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
18:20 oleonard      Thanks everyone. It's just a start.
18:13 maximep       oleonard++ looks great!
18:08 cait          magnuse++ oleonard++ :)
18:07 magnuse       and packages++ btw
18:07 magnuse       yeah oleonard++
17:59 gmcharlt      oleonard++
17:59 magnuse       yeah, yeah...
17:58 wahanui       pretty is, like, subjective
17:58 magnuse       pretty!
17:56 cait          nice!
17:55 oleonard      http://zivotdesign.com/zp/Koha/bootstrap-opac-redesign/bootstrap-opac-detail-page.png
17:33 cait          hi :)
17:01 gaetan_B      bye
16:22 mtompset      Oh that Federation tab on the SimpleSamlPHP page is so useful when there's a metadata problem. :)
16:09 janPasi       thanks :)
16:08 janPasi       i'd still prefer it building up progressively, but this will do for now :)
16:08 gmcharlt      cool
16:08 janPasi       now it works well enough :)
16:08 janPasi       oh, ok
16:07 gmcharlt      try turning on the TraceSubjectSubdivisions system preference
16:07 janPasi       since it just ignores most of the headings in chain
16:06 gmcharlt      ah, hold on a second
16:06 janPasi       well this isn't working by any standards
16:06 * gmcharlt    rereads scrollback
16:06 janPasi       *headings
16:06 gmcharlt      and "does not work" is too strong of a statement -- there can be an honest difference of opinion regarding whether subdivisions shoujld get their own links
16:06 janPasi       i'd be happy if it did the search with all the subject heading in a chain, but it doesn't :(
16:05 gmcharlt      janPasi: like I said, what you're asking for is a different issue
16:05 janPasi       gmcharlt: well it still doesn't work :D
16:05 khall         question: what does notify_id and notify_level in the accountlines table refer to?
16:04 gmcharlt      janPasi: re 4276?  that patch was pushed nearly two years ago; the effect it had is what you're seeing now
16:04 tcohen        s/possible/possible check/
16:04 tcohen        s/¡/?/
16:04 tcohen        what's a possible for the creation of a koha instance in a packages setup¡
16:01 sudhir        .
15:59 janPasi       gmcharlt: searches with all the subject headings?
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15:59 janPasi       gmcharlt: so how does it work with this bugfix?
15:57 kf            we only have very few loc subjects in our data, so I am not quite understanding how it works still
15:57 gmcharlt      kf: yeah, I should play around with those
15:56 kf            gmcharlt: hm maybe you can do something like that - there are several switches and this new popup feature in 3.12
15:53 gmcharlt      and a new bug could be filed as such
15:53 gmcharlt      having the XSLT view of subject headings progressively build up the search string with a separate link on each subdivision would be (IMO) an enhancement to the XSLT templates
15:53 gmcharlt      janPasi: jwagner: I think that's a different bug from what janPasi is asking for
15:51 janPasi       jwagner: oh, ok :)
15:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms
15:51 jwagner       janPasi, this is supposedly fixed -- see Bug 4276
15:44 janPasi       should i report this as a bug or is it known already?
15:43 janPasi       that's the way it should do with xslt also
15:43 janPasi       and so on
15:43 janPasi       if you point at the second subject heading in chain, the search is done with the first subject heading AND the second subject heading
15:42 janPasi       in that case if you point and click the first subject heading, the search is done with it
15:42 janPasi       if you disable xslt altogether, it works very smartly
15:41 janPasi       now if you point and click the subject(s) koha only searches with the first subject heading
15:41 janPasi       http://gmc.koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1066&query_desc=su:soitinmusiikki%20and%20su:kantele%20and%20su:Suomi
15:41 janPasi       for example:
15:40 janPasi       there is a bug in dealing with subject headings in opac
15:28 reiveune      bye
15:19 paul_p        rambutan i'm here if you need me
15:16 janPasi       oleonard: ok, we'll see :D
15:13 huginn        rambutan: paul_p was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 18 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <paul_p> hi rangi & everybody !
15:13 rambutan      @seen paul_p
15:13 oleonard      janPasi: I usually find that I can puzzle out how to make minor changes.
15:13 oleonard      janPasi: I don't know that we have any Koha-specific documentation on it, but you can Google XSLT and get lots of resources
15:13 clrh          thx kf
15:12 janPasi       oh, that easy, huh? :D
15:12 huginn        kf: The operation succeeded.
15:12 kf            @later tell jcamins - (17:06:57) clrh: koha-restful is now officialy in gpl v3 ;) cc kf paul_p and jared when he 'll be back
15:12 oleonard      janPasi: There you will train with Yoda, the Jedi master
15:11 kf            clrh: thx :)
15:11 janPasi       what's that? :D
15:11 janPasi       :o
15:11 oleonard      janPasi: You must travel to the planet Dagobah...
15:11 janPasi       it seems pretty complicated
15:11 janPasi       is there a wikipage or some other documentation that explains xslt?
15:10 janPasi       yeah, that's what i thought :)
15:10 libsysguy     assuming you're using marc21
15:10 clrh          koha-restful is now officialy in gpl v3 ;) cc kf paul_p and jared when he 'll be back
15:10 libsysguy     you probably want http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl;hb=HEAD
15:09 janPasi       single item page is mainly what i'm after at this point
15:00 libsysguy     are you looking to change the results page or the display single item page
14:59 janPasi       now i just need to find out which sheet is for which page :D
14:58 janPasi       ok, found them, thanks :)
14:57 libsysguy     ^^ janPasi
14:57 libsysguy     http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt;h=9ca99456917e80517f5a7b802a51156109675bef;hb=HEAD
14:55 janPasi       where are the xslt sheets for opac in koha?
14:55 kf            yes
14:55 janPasi       ok, i need to edit xslt or something?
14:55 gmcharlt      janPasi: in general, no
14:55 oleonard      No
14:55 janPasi       is it enough to just change the visibility of marc subfields in the framework structure to make the fields visible in OPAC?
14:54 janPasi       i have a question:
14:54 janPasi       hi guys
14:54 mtompset      And trix are for kids? ;)
14:53 druthb        gmcharlt++
14:53 gmcharlt      (even the gummi ones)
14:53 gmcharlt      ;)
14:53 * gmcharlt    is firmly of the opninon that worms are for birds!
14:52 huginn        gmcharlt: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011)
14:52 gmcharlt      @quote random
14:51 druthb        calories *love* me, as evidenced by my panoramic physique.
14:47 libsysguy     calories don't love me back
14:47 * libsysguy   loves calories
14:46 mtompset      4000 calories?! Eat that over 2 days. ;)
14:43 mtompset      (Skittles Gun)
14:43 libsysguy     I did not think that was a gummy worm at first glance
14:43 mtompset      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-JRXTuqNII
14:43 oleonard      Whoa.
14:42 druthb        libsysguy:   http://goo.gl/ioCqg
14:42 libsysguy     :p
14:42 libsysguy     I knew there was a reason I was missing #koha
14:41 mtompset      but they don't hurt as much, and I thought the dispute was M&M's vs. Skittles.
14:41 libsysguy     the bright crawlers are delish
14:41 druthb        If sticky was the goal, would chuck gummy bears.  or gummy worms, which are ickier.
14:41 libsysguy     shoot…I just proke perl
14:40 mtompset      That's gross, not just mean, libsysguy.
14:40 * mtompset    nods, "And probably would hurt more too -- if that is part of the goal."
14:40 libsysguy     jollyranchers have a fantastic sticking property when property wetted
14:39 druthb        jawbreakers have the nice aerodynamic round shape.
14:39 mtompset      jawbreakers? ;)
14:39 druthb        yes, it would.
14:39 oleonard      That would really smart.
14:38 druthb        ooooh.
14:38 * oleonard    considers maybe a Jolly Rancher...
14:38 wahanui       :)
14:38 druthb        wahanui:  botsnack Skittles.
14:38 mtompset      Almost sounds like a Skittles commercial, "Feel the rainbow."
14:38 wahanui       I know. That's why I said it.
14:38 oleonard      Very true.
14:38 druthb        oleonard:  only if you're looking for some serious *thud*.  For a more-stinging result, Skittles.  Also, Skittles are *nasty* to eat, and make better ammo than wasting perfectly good M&Ms
14:37 libsysguy     I will concede the latter point oleonard
14:37 kf            lol
14:37 oleonard      Peanut M&Ms are superior in both flavor and projectile quality.
14:37 * druthb      got her nails done Friday, and is feeling sassy today.  Best look out.
14:36 libsysguy     hehe druthb :p
14:36 libsysguy     its almost as old as the VIM vs Emacs war mtompset
14:36 * mtompset    laughs, "A skittles vs. M&M's war?"
14:36 druthb        …and as for coming down here, "bring it, youngster."
14:36 druthb        libsysguy:  at least I didn't use my slingshot.
14:36 libsysguy     druthb knows I prefer m&m's
14:35 mtompset      Why the skittles, druthb?
14:35 druthb        hi, mtompset!
14:35 libsysguy     don't make me come down there druthb
14:35 mtompset      -- don't want anyone to feel left out. :)
14:35 mtompset      Greetings, oleonard tcohen druthb. :)
14:33 * druthb      chucks Skittles at libsysguy.
14:32 libsysguy     morning mtompset
14:32 mtompset      Greetings, libsysguy. :)
14:27 mtompset      Okay... broken, but in a better way. :)
14:26 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:26 tcohen        @later tell eythian I need to add --disabled to koha-list to ease the bash-completion thing
14:22 * kf          hopes magnuse finds some
14:20 * magnuse     wanders off in search of edibles
14:19 mtompset      obi-one error strikes again.
14:18 mtompset      DOH! I'm half awake. Looking at the wrong function.
14:14 mtompset      Right?
14:14 mtompset      use blah; is basically a require blah; import blah ...;?
14:13 mtompset      TimeToRefactorItIntoSomeOtherNamingConvention. :P
14:12 oleonard      Time to maybe take that section out? :P
14:12 oleonard      Nice snippet from opac-advsearch.tt: [% IF ( if_expanded_options_actually_worked ) %]
14:09 mtompset      print STDERR works for Auth.pm, but the new Auth_with_Shibboleth.pm nothing comes out?!
14:09 mtompset      I tried looking at the apache2 logs AND the koha logs.
14:08 oleonard      warn works fine for me in a .pm file. Are you sure you're looking at the right log?
14:08 tcohen        http://perldoc.perl.org/Carp.html#DESCRIPTION
14:06 mtompset      And I'm not trying to understand why.
14:06 mtompset      work in .pm file.
14:06 mtompset      t
14:06 mtompset      warn didn'
14:06 oleonard      Why not "warn" ?
14:06 tcohen        its debugging, it doesn't need to be elegant
14:06 mtompset      That at least seems to work. -- Yes, I know it is ugly.
14:05 mtompset      yep... print STDERR "blah\n";
14:05 tcohen        did you try carp?
14:03 mtompset      just trying to get some "print blah" type messages into my testing code to see where the problem with the patch is.
14:03 wahanui       i guess the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
14:03 tcohen        mtompset: what's the problem?
13:58 * mtompset    sighs, "Can't seem to get it to work?!"
13:49 tcohen        (searching)
13:48 tcohen        hmm, db_dependent tests return the same wether zebrasrv is running or not?
13:47 tcohen        :-P
13:46 mtompset      The kohaclone directory is small enough for a grep blah `find .` ;)
13:46 tcohen        i missed the -R for grep
13:46 mtompset      Doing that now. ;)
13:46 tcohen        grep -l "use Carp;" *
13:45 tcohen        looks like it should work
13:44 tcohen        it is used in several places, but i don't know if it makes any difference thou :-D
13:44 mtompset      haven't used that before.
13:44 tcohen        use Carp;
13:44 mtompset      carp?
13:43 tcohen        maybe you could carp instead
13:43 mtompset      Okay... that explains that.
13:43 tcohen        but in the .pm libs it doesnt
13:43 tcohen        I found that warn in a CGI writes in the /var/log/koha files
13:42 mtompset      I thought that: warn "blah"; would go into some log file somewhere, but I can't find it.
13:42 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
13:36 kf            maybe you could point tcohen to it?
13:36 kf            jcamins: hm 9819 - didn't you have the test data from jenkins somewhere?
13:35 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Default frameworks missing many MARC21 tags
13:35 kf            bug 5858
13:35 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Missing fields in MARC21 authority framework
13:35 kf            bug 9826
13:34 kf            i'd really love if someone could take a look at the marc21 frameowrk updates bgkriegel did
13:30 kf            magnuse++
13:29 kf            safe.
13:29 kf            safe travels?
13:29 kf            save travels :)
13:29 * jcamins     heads off for an 11am meeting on the other side of the world (aka Brooklyn)
13:28 magnuse       w00t!
13:27 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling).
13:27 magnuse       @wunder boo
13:26 tcohen        oh :-D
13:26 kf            zweistein = two stones... and so on
13:26 kf            einstein = one stone
13:25 kf            tcohen: yep
13:25 huginn        druthb: The current temperature in Morningside Place, Houston, Texas is 16.8°C (8:20 AM CDT on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
13:25 druthb        @wunder 77098
13:24 huginn        tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 22.0°C (10:00 AM ART on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
13:24 tcohen        @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:24 druthb        My kids are *good* at that line of reasoning.
13:24 druthb        Kids:  ouch!   Me: Hurry up!  Kids: but… Me: well, if you'd worn *shoes*…
13:24 * magnuse     makes notes about gravel
13:23 druthb        A couple of strolls in the gravel cured them.
13:22 tcohen        are those numbers in german?
13:22 druthb        heh.  I got my kids past that at a young age.  At the time, we lived on a gravel drive.  "Fine, you don't wanna wear shoes.  C'mon, then."
13:22 tcohen        what's the fun kf? http://9gag.com/gag/aWQr50n?ref=fbp
13:22 oleonard      druthb: I save that for when my kids refuse to put on their shoes. *sigh*
13:21 jcamins       magnuse: it's more like MARCeinundzwanzig.
13:21 kf            and as koha forgets fields that don't exist in the framework... and I don't like data loss...
13:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9819 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , stopwords related code should be removed
13:21 * tcohen      was secretly confident unit tests were candidates for headaches in bug 9819
13:21 kf            oly they agreedon the use nationally
13:21 kf            it's 9xx and the like
13:21 druthb        oleonard:   I just can't picture you getting worked up about much of anything, you know that?
13:21 kf            it is
13:21 magnuse       but is it marc21 if there are fields specific to germany? ;-)
13:20 jcamins       kf: I think that's a great idea!
13:19 druthb        kf++
13:19 druthb        nuh-uh!
13:19 kf            druthb: yep
13:19 wahanui       thanks druthb :)
13:19 druthb        wahanui:  botsnack cookie
13:19 druthb        I need a *reason* to give you karma?
13:19 wahanui       wait, is, like, it only in items
13:19 druthb        wait, what?
13:18 kf            druthb: you can only give me karma after I did something, notb efore
13:18 * druthb      throws a straitjacket around oleonard before he gets out of hand.
13:18 tcohen        druthb: lol, nice one
13:18 kf            lol
13:18 oleonard      It would make me SO ANGRY!!!1
13:18 druthb        doooo eeeeet!
13:18 druthb        kf++
13:18 magnuse       just do it! :-)
13:18 kf            :)
13:18 kf            guess that's a no
13:16 kf            the german web installer?
13:15 kf            would someon be opposed tome adding a file with germany specific marc21 fields to the web installer?
13:15 druthb        http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/04/22/if-web-browsers-were-celebrities-comic/  #after jcamins laments about ie...
13:15 kf            tcohen: that's the general irc meeting - nancy called  for one abotu kohacon :)
13:15 jcamins       :)
13:15 jcamins       It's on a weird day.
13:15 jcamins       Nope. You're right.
13:15 tcohen        may 7?
13:14 kf            someone should check
13:14 kf            i might be even wrong *shrug*
13:14 jcamins       But it is weird. :)
13:14 jcamins       I know.
13:14 kf            i haven't set the date
13:13 jcamins       Weird.
13:13 jcamins       On a Tuesday?
13:13 kf            kohacon :)
13:12 jcamins       There's a Koha meeting tomorrow?
13:12 tcohen        yes kf
13:12 kf            did you see there is a koha meeting this week? tomorrow even
13:12 kf            tcohen++
13:10 druthb        tcohen++
13:09 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:09 tcohen        @later tell rangi: we have new authorities elected at UNC. Next week I'll start looking for funding to get to KohaCon13. Also, i'm starting the procedure to get my US visa
12:53 druthb        Hi, tcohen n oleonard n kf! :D
12:53 kf            morning tcohen++ :)
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12:47 kf            hi druthb :)
12:46 druthb        o/   g'mornin!
12:46 oleonard      Good morning druthb
12:36 kf            hi oleonard :)
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11:15 mtj           ok, now i'm reaaally off :)
11:12 mtj           … and they will dump your db for you, for an outrageous fee
11:11 mtj           … or tell you that only they know the passwd, and they wont give it to you
11:09 mtj           perhaps they can point you to a config file on your box, with the password in it, etc..
11:08 mtj           InfoFinder, hmm, you may need to ask massey about that, 1st
11:04 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9050 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , rebuild_zebra should use the adelete action so it doesn't fail when deleting a record not in the index
11:04 jenkins_koha  Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9050: Use safer adelete when deleting records from Zebra index
11:04 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #300: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/300/
11:02 InfoFinder    stuck - library mdb has a password :P
10:58 mtj           InfoFinder, if you get stuck - pop back in the #channel sometime… :)
10:58 mtj           ok, off for a bit...
10:50 mtj           -> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mdbtools
10:50 mtj           you can use 'mdb-tools' to poke about within that file
10:50 InfoFinder    so chances are there's a 'marc' table?
10:48 mtj           its just a plain old access/jet db file
10:48 mtj           yep, sounds promising
10:48 InfoFinder    library.mdb
10:47 InfoFinder    there's an mdb file that might contain everything.
10:47 InfoFinder    trying to figure that
10:47 mtj           or, you could focus on grabbing them from your musac system, instead
10:46 mtj           ...if you are going to attempt to grab those marc rcords from the intarweb
10:46 mtj           yep, basically :)
10:43 InfoFinder    ok.. .so need to find an isbn to marc conversion tool then..
10:38 mtj           tho…the catch with that method is - uou dont get all your bib's holding info
10:37 mtj           i have written some scripts a few years ago, to something similar with SCIS, using their z39 service
10:35 InfoFinder    *thinks*
10:35 InfoFinder    which i don't - personally - ...
10:35 mtj           ...if you have a SCIS subscription, that might work OK for you
10:33 mtj           InfoFinder, some people copy/paste a list of ISBNs to SCIS, which returns a single big MARC file
10:26 jenkins_koha  Starting build #300 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:22 mtj           thats good news :)
10:21 mtj           MARC Record: 	-> (Click here for details)
10:21 mtj           http://musac.massey.ac.nz/webopac/mlmweb1.asp?WCI=ItemDetail&ItemID=4448
10:21 mtj           ah, looks like it does..
10:20 mtj           … and/or, does it export MARC?
10:20 mtj           InfoFinder, does MUSAC use/understand MARC?
10:20 kf            or use some other tool to collect marc records
10:19 kf            that won't be enough to feed to koha - you could use z39.50 to doanload one record after the other
10:18 InfoFinder    hmm they are isbn numbers..
10:17 rangi         if you think it is marc, you can use marcdump to convert it to human readable format on a linux box you have MARC::Record installed on, or if you have to use windows then you could look at it with MarcEdit
10:16 rangi         hmm you will need actual MARC not just a list of ISBN numbers if you want to import it
10:14 InfoFinder    so now - select the file to stage?..
10:13 InfoFinder    ok - i have a txt file - with a list of what looks like ISBN numbers..
10:13 mtj           ha - cool, will do...
10:12 Joubu         mtj: answered :)
10:11 mtj           heya, i just ponged your email re: qa-tool :)
10:10 Joubu         mtj: pong
10:08 mtj           Joubu, ping… about?
10:08 * mtj         waves to all
10:08 mtj           hi InfoFinder
10:01 InfoFinder    i think i've found how to pull the MARC records..
09:55 kf            hi paul_p
09:55 paul_p        hi rangi & everybody !
09:54 rangi         hi paul_p
09:54 InfoFinder    :)
09:54 InfoFinder    yep - it is..
09:51 rangi         for the bibliographic data you could use MarcEdit or you could use csvtomarc.pl
09:51 kf            yeah, never heard of that :)
09:51 rangi         but yeah you have a bunch of options if you can get it out in csv
09:50 rangi         must be an nz school if its Musac :)
09:49 InfoFinder    checking that side of things now
09:49 InfoFinder    hope so :)
09:49 rangi         like CSV
09:49 rangi         can you get the data out of Musac in a sane format?
09:49 InfoFinder    any hints ?
09:49 rangi         it always is
09:49 rangi         InfoFinder: the trick will be getting the data out
09:48 InfoFinder    has anyone here had experiance doing that ?
09:48 InfoFinder    we've been asked to move a school over from Musac to Koha..
09:48 wahanui       yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please.
09:48 InfoFinder    hi all..
08:35 Viktor        hi magnuse and kf !
08:32 * magnuse     can only imagine :-)
08:31 kf            magnuse: we had 24 last week... that was so nice
08:31 kf            hi Viktor
08:31 magnuse       and hiya Viktor
08:31 magnuse       hah!
08:31 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
08:30 magnuse       @wunder boo
08:20 kf            brr.
08:20 huginn        kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
08:20 kf            @wunder Konstanz
07:46 dcook         Night koha folks!
07:45 dcook         Anyway, it's way past my home time
07:39 dcook         wb kf :)
07:38 kf            morning magnuse :)
07:37 magnuse       welcome back kf
07:37 * magnuse     thinks MARC and all it's minions (including z39.50) should just go away
07:37 kf            back :)
07:37 wahanui       Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:37 huginn        GERMS!!!!
07:30 dcook         Seeing as they no longer support ILL, I can't imagine the Bath profile is high on the list..
07:29 dcook         The Bath profile is maintained by Library and Archives Canada? Hmm...
07:27 * dcook       glares at Z39.50
07:27 dcook         Exactly!
07:27 dcook         Yes! YES!
07:27 dcook         "In practice, however, the functional complexity is limited by the uneven implementations by developers and commercial vendors."
07:27 dcook         Also...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z39.50
07:24 dcook         http://www.itsmarc.com/crs/mergedProjects/helpauth/helpauth/kinds_of_authority_records.htm
07:24 dcook         Man...authorities are rather complicated...
07:17 dcook         Even more complex than I previously thought
07:16 dcook         I grilled Jared a bit on serial cataloguing earlier today
07:16 dcook         Power to you ;)
07:16 gaetan_B      it seems they want me to give them a complete training in marc21 cataloging though !
07:16 gaetan_B      i'll go back in June to give them a training and close the project
07:15 gaetan_B      it was nice
07:15 gaetan_B      i came back on friday dcook actually !
07:15 gaetan_B      hi :)
07:15 dcook         How is Iraq?
07:15 drojf         hi gaetan_B
07:14 wahanui       it has been said that gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
07:14 dcook         hey gaetan_B
07:14 gaetan_B      hello
07:14 drojf         lol i know that feeling
07:13 dcook         The world might be ending..
07:13 * dcook       thinks that he's actually starting to understand Zebra's config files
07:12 dcook         I'll just pester him tomorrow :p
07:12 dcook         lol
07:11 drojf         dcook: if he does not answer you should probably call him ;)
07:11 drojf         hi dcook
07:11 dcook         Hmm, 3am in New York. I'm sure jcamins must still be awake...
07:11 dcook         morning drojf
07:09 drojf         good morning #koha
07:04 dcook         hey ya asaurat
07:03 magnuse       yay for koha in the galapagos islands! http://fcd.towiski.de/
07:03 asaurat       hi
07:02 dcook         Figuring out the right attributes to use is...interesting
07:02 dcook         magnuse: Hope so :)
07:02 magnuse       cool!
07:00 dcook         Yep :)
06:57 magnuse       ah, so a way to fetch authority records similar to how we fetch bib records today?
06:57 dcook         Hmm, Koha itself seems rather interesting in this regard too
06:54 dcook         Unfortunately, support for Bib-1 attributes seems a bit...spotty
06:53 dcook         Library of Congress, LibrariesAustralia have been two options so far
06:53 dcook         But finding few databases to use for testing
06:53 dcook         I'm writing another Z39.50 interface to do authority searching
06:52 magnuse       dcook: what are you trying to do?
06:49 dcook         Well, zebra
06:49 dcook         Could just query Koha I suppose...
06:49 dcook         Hmm
06:47 * dcook       wonders if biblios.net is still a thing
06:47 dcook         see ya cait
06:46 cait          bbl :)
06:43 dcook         salut reiveune
06:43 dcook         I don't see how to access the DBs though
06:43 reiveune      hello
06:43 dcook         Yeah, I took a little look before
06:43 wahanui       VIAF is "Virtual International Authority File" at http://viaf.org/
06:43 magnuse       VIAF?
06:43 dcook         hehe
06:43 magnuse       viaf is "Virtual International Authority File" at http://viaf.org/
06:42 wahanui       magnuse: I forgot viaf
06:42 magnuse       wahanui: forget VIAF
06:42 wahanui       VIAF is probably 100% Javascript, apparently.
06:42 magnuse       VIAF?
06:42 dcook         LAC was so promising until it said I couldn't authorize the Canadiana authorities..
06:39 dcook         National Library of Israel Name Authority File could be neat..
06:36 magnuse       kia ora dcook
06:35 dcook         hey ya magnuse
06:28 magnuse       :-)
06:28 * cait        waves back at magnuse :)
06:27 * magnuse     waves
06:24 dcook         I just haven't found a good source describing what MARC tags are included in which index for Bib-1 "Extension" attributes
06:23 dcook         Oh wait...yes they do
06:22 dcook         It supports the attributes, but the results still don't make sense..
06:21 dcook         Hmm, I take that back
06:20 dcook         The Subject DB does..
06:20 dcook         In the Name DB that is
06:20 dcook         Ohhh
06:18 dcook         Not very good attribute support though..
06:11 dcook         So nothing for uniform titles and possibly nothing for meetings..
06:11 dcook         They have separate databases for Names and Subjects though
06:11 dcook         http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html
06:11 dcook         LOC seems open :)
06:09 dcook         NLA only mentions NLA and OCLC as well...http://www.nla.gov.au/librariesaustralia/services/search/external-databases/#authorities
06:08 dcook         OCLC has a test server, but you need to set up a test account with them first, so that's on the to do list..
06:08 dcook         mtj: I think NATLIB-NZ might just serve up bib records
06:08 dcook         cait: any idea about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Bodies_Authority_File ?
06:08 mtj           hi eythian, cait
06:08 dcook         Definitely need a membership to NLA though
06:07 dcook         I haven't looked at LOC yet
06:07 mtj           (i would love to been proven completely wrong here, too)
06:05 cait          ugh
06:05 mtj           … NLA too, i assume
06:05 cait          43 bugs
06:04 mtj           … you need to pay LOC or NATLIB-NZ for those records, afaik :/
06:03 mtj           dcook, sadly, thats been my experience too… ^^
05:59 cait          :)
05:58 eythian       heh
05:57 wahanui       hello cait are you here?
05:57 eythian       hello cait
05:56 cait          hi eythian
05:52 dcook         But...I haven't looked extensively
05:52 dcook         I was chatting about this with jcamins recently, and I think he was saying that it's fairly uncommon to find authority DBs for z39.50
05:51 dcook         Hmm, not sure either
05:48 eythian       It's possible that NZ Natlib has one too, but I'm not sure.
05:48 dcook         I'm getting strange results from NLA
05:48 dcook         Oooh. It does look like LoC might have an available one
05:46 eythian       *possibly
05:46 eythian       Yeah, I don't know of many. I think .au has some, possible LoC.
05:45 dcook         I wish that I had more test DBs though
05:45 dcook         Sounds good. I'd certainly appreciate any feedback I could get on it
05:44 eythian       sure. We'd probably be able to help test it.
05:43 dcook         Well, it's something I'm thinking of working on this week, so maybe I'll do a bug report on it, and then post up an early effort
05:38 eythian       yeah, just came up in conversation today.
05:37 dcook         Have you guys been thinking about doing z39.50 for authorities as well then?
05:37 dcook         Neato. That looks rather nice.
05:33 eythian       http://www.digitalnz.org/ <-- these guys have a fairly simple but good API, I've just started writing an Android app to access it.
05:33 eythian       I need to learn z39.50. I don't really want to, but I should.
05:32 dcook         In theory..
05:32 dcook         This document has been great: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html
05:31 dcook         Today is the first day where I've started poking around
05:31 dcook         Yeah, it's something we've been talking a bit about as well
05:31 eythian       ah. Oh good, you're implementing that? We were just talking about it today and how it would be useful.
05:31 dcook         Maybe I'm missing something, but their test authority DB seems a bit odd
05:30 dcook         Trying ot figure out which Bib-1 attributes to use for authority searching
05:29 dcook         http://www.nla.gov.au/librariesaustralia/services/search/z3950/
05:29 eythian       what are you looking at?
05:29 dcook         I think I'm starting to see why no one has written a Z39.50 interface for authority searching...
05:29 dcook         Right...
05:29 dcook         "Note: Because of the way data is being normalised, all text field scans must be entered in upper case. Currently, subject headings must be scanned with no hyphens between subfields, just one space. Scans on text fields thatreturn extremely long headings will cause an error message to be displayed. Scans on Personal name and Corporate name are being directed to the keyword index (Dec 2004). Add @attr 3=1 to overcome this problem."
05:28 * dcook       waves to eythian
05:26 eythian       hi again
04:58 wizzyrea      there you go :)
04:58 wizzyrea      oh, borrowernumber
04:58 cait          I had looked at that yesterday for an exaple
04:58 cait          the borrower i think
04:58 wahanui       rumour has it one of those is entirely extraneous
04:58 wizzyrea      but one of those
04:58 wizzyrea      not totally certain which
04:57 wizzyrea      in that case probably the itemnumber or biblionumber
04:57 mib_tm        I'm looking at the log for circulation. It shows the transaction of date, time, librarian, action, etc. Just wondering what is 'object'?
04:56 wizzyrea      :)
04:56 wahanui       "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
04:56 wizzyrea      the first question?
04:56 wizzyrea      depends on what you are looking for
04:55 mib_tm        Howdy! May I know what is the 'object' number in log viewer referring to?
04:55 wizzyrea      lots of mibbit lurkers today :)
04:55 alohabot      Hi mib_tm, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
04:53 cait          hm, I think early morning cait says it all :)
04:52 wizzyrea      how is early morning cait?
04:51 cait          :)
04:51 wizzyrea      i like this late afternoon cait thing
04:51 dcook         Oh so not the type of thing you'd remember off the top of your head...unless you're Jared ;)
04:51 cait          hi dcook
04:50 * dcook       pats himself on the back for remembering to blog about Z39.50 and Bib-1 attributes back in February...
04:50 dcook         hey ya cait
04:05 alohabot      Hi mib_ybidg8, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
03:54 dcook         Yep
03:54 wahanui       "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
03:54 wizzyrea      the first question?
03:54 wizzyrea      to which I would ask
03:52 dcook         Indeed
03:43 alohabot      Hi mib_gran7r, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
03:42 wizzyrea      hm not even a "well where should I put it" question
03:41 dcook         O_o
03:40 mib_gran7r    ok... :(
03:39 wizzyrea      (which is not even remotely related to MARC)
03:38 wizzyrea      in the database it lives in aqorders
03:38 wizzyrea      I don't think it goes in a marc tag
03:35 mib_gran7r    i planned to import some data into Asort1 under acquisition, do you know which marc tag it refer to?
03:34 alohabot      Hi mib_gran7r, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
03:20 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9523 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Trying to import staged marc records where a matched bib has been deleted caused the import to hang
03:20 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9588 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , weighted search query with index
03:20 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9523: importing staged bib records hangs if a matched bib has been deleted
03:20 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9588: weighted search query with index
03:20 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.12.x build #10: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/10/
02:58 dcook         I think that makes sense
02:58 dcook         Sounds good : )
02:58 wizzyrea      comment on the original, saying "I think this is two bugs and I've filed another one for just this part"
02:58 dcook         Cool beans. I just wanted to ask to see if there was an established procedure
02:58 wizzyrea      up 2 u really
02:57 wizzyrea      or create a new bug, and link them
02:57 dcook         wizzyrea: So comment and submit a patch just for the restriction part?
02:57 dcook         And not my priority ;)
02:57 dcook         Renewing for overdues is more complex
02:56 dcook         Although that might just be because I have a patch to prevent renewing for restriction
02:56 dcook         But I think it would make more sense to separate this into two different bugs anywhere...
02:56 wizzyrea      make a comment on it saying what you want
02:56 dcook         I failed it because it didn't apply the code consistently
02:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Failed QA , Prevent renewing if overdue or restriction
02:56 dcook         bug 8236
02:56 dcook         So... how does one go about proposing a change to a bug
02:55 dcook         I suppose
02:55 dcook         Right!
02:55 jcamins       Well, yeah, but those make more sense.
02:55 dcook         Now what was I just doing...
02:54 dcook         Phone numbers from childhood..
02:54 dcook         And I only recall the regulars
02:54 dcook         Well, they were only 4 digits as well ;)
02:54 jcamins       That's worse.
02:54 jcamins       lol
02:54 dcook         7-10 years ago
02:54 dcook         I can still recall member numbers from a co-op job I worked...
02:53 dcook         That IS scary
02:53 jcamins       I remembered it without any searching.
02:53 dcook         Ahh, darned keywords
02:52 jcamins       That's scary.
02:52 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
02:52 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Link see also in authorities
02:52 wahanui       bug 7417 is a good one too
02:52 jcamins       dcook: bug 7417
02:52 wahanui       hmmm... bug 3462 is ready for sign off.
02:52 dcook         bug 3462
02:52 dcook         jcamins: I see a "see also" patch but no "see" or "used for" patch
02:52 mtompset      Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone.
02:51 wahanui       I watch you sleep.
02:51 jcamins       Good night.
02:50 tcohen        $#koha
02:50 tcohen        night jcamins
02:43 tcohen        understood jcamins
02:42 jenkins_koha  Starting build #10 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9523 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Trying to import staged marc records where a matched bib has been deleted caused the import to hang
02:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9588 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , weighted search query with index
02:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9984 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The hold ratios table uses a server-side sort
02:42 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9523: importing staged bib records hangs if a matched bib has been deleted
02:42 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9588: weighted search query with index
02:42 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9984: Remove server-side sort on the hold ratios table
02:42 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1145: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1145/
02:42 jcamins       tcohen: the problem is that documenting would take a lot of time from someone who doesn't have it.
02:42 tcohen        jcamins, if we had this sort-of documented, we could evaluate if it is do-able, or if we can get students for example that want to get involved in a FOSS project, I'm not sure
02:41 cjh           mtompset: afaik; you have to be careful with 'our' variables as they are not re-initialized between sessions (different users being served by same thread), so it is possible that one session's state 'bleeds over' into another.
02:40 dcook         hehe
02:40 jcamins       See bug whatever-bug-it-was-I-implemented-it-in.
02:40 rangi         yay thanks
02:40 tcohen        i cannot measure the time needed to do it
02:40 jcamins       Yes, we do that.
02:40 dcook         Yeah
02:40 rangi         'The ability to use non-prefered terms in searches'
02:40 tcohen        because (in my personal case) as I don't know the complexity of the task
02:40 dcook         rangi: This is a library thing?
02:40 jcamins       rangi: see-from
02:40 rangi         wtf is non-preferred terms?
02:39 tcohen        i think is a bit of both
02:39 dcook         wizzyrea++
02:39 wizzyrea      because if it was, there would be time.
02:39 wizzyrea      ah I think you mean "it's not a priority for anybody"
02:38 jcamins       The problem is that no one has the time to do that.
02:37 tcohen        and can work on fixing all the scripts
02:36 tcohen        then we learned those patterns that should be avoided
02:36 tcohen        we have to do a rewrite sprint, where we tackle on some X script, and rewrite it to be perfect for Plack
02:35 tcohen        right, we use some plack stuff that makes a CGI app work on plack
02:33 jcamins       *use
02:33 jcamins       I mean, the way we used it.
02:33 jcamins       Plack is already a CGI wrapper.
02:32 tcohen        that could be used to the PSGI move
02:32 tcohen        jcamins, don't u think a CGI.pm wrapper could be seen as an adaptor?
02:30 jcamins       rangi might.
02:30 jcamins       But I don't know it.
02:29 jcamins       There's a way to make it work safely.
02:28 dcook         apparently...
02:28 dcook         aooarebtky = apparently*
02:28 * dcook       was going to send a patch with a bunch of exits after re-directs, as  aooarebtky older versions of IE sometimes have issues where they try to do a re-direct that doesn't have an explicit exit afterwards
02:28 dcook         Hmm, good to know
02:27 jcamins       They do weird things to the headers under Plack.
02:27 jcamins       Mostly, yeah.
02:27 dcook         Even after re-directs?
02:27 dcook         Explicit exits are bad?
02:27 * dcook       's eyes perk up
02:27 * tcohen      opens kate to take notes
02:27 jcamins       *explicit
02:26 jcamins       As are explict exits.
02:26 jcamins       Printing to stdout is also a problem.
02:26 wahanui       OK, tcohen.
02:26 tcohen        wahanui: every important architectural discussion is delayed until we are plack-compatible
02:25 * tcohen      likes cs theory a lot, but is mostly sample-driven
02:24 jcamins       So they're dangerous too.
02:24 jcamins       our variables work, sometimes, but don't get updated ever.
02:24 tcohen        I still don't fully get it
02:24 tcohen        i'll try to set plack on a dev VPS to see if I can get some patterns to look for
02:24 mtompset      Isn't "our" variables okay?
02:22 jcamins       Somewhere.
02:22 jcamins       I think it is.
02:22 tcohen        that should be in the coding guidelines
02:22 jcamins       Right.
02:22 jcamins       All caching.
02:22 tcohen        so, no subroutine should be using global variables
02:22 jcamins       Subroutines in .pl files cause problems.
02:22 jcamins       But my variables at a file-level cannot be accessed in subroutines.
02:21 jcamins       Those are mostly just bad form.
02:21 tcohen        you mean global variables?
02:21 jcamins       Well- they are fine in files with no subroutines.
02:21 jcamins       They are not compatible with Plack.
02:20 tcohen        what about them?
02:20 jcamins       tcohen: *any* file-level variable.
02:20 tcohen        jcamins: you're talking about CGI scripts, right?
02:20 mtompset      documentation is good. Nicole Engard is the queen of documentation writing. :)
02:20 tcohen        (i always manage to loose my IRC/chat history)
02:20 jcamins       tcohen: file-level variables.
02:19 tcohen        if that happens in an email or wiki for, I can document it
02:19 jcamins       I will summarize, you may document. :)
02:19 jcamins       By all means.
02:18 tcohen        speaking of which, can we document those patterns that are not-plack-firendly?
02:18 jcamins       No.
02:18 mtompset      So that begs the question... is there an ETA on plack-compliance/compatibility/whatever?
02:17 wizzyrea      oo yea
02:17 jcamins       Other than that I wasn't going to discuss it until we had Plack compatibility.
02:16 jcamins       We didn't really agree on anything, no.
02:16 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
02:16 tcohen        at UNC we need bug 8773
02:16 mtompset      Well, I thought we at least agreed on using moose compatible style, as other things like class::dataaccessor? which is already used, has a compatibility mode to it.
02:15 tcohen        i recall jcamins telling that once we are full plack-compliant we can choose anyone
02:15 tcohen        we didn't reach an agreement
02:14 mtompset      Didn't a few months ago, some time last year, we discuss the idea of using moose vs moo vs mouse vs perhaps something else?
02:12 mtj           tcohen, but hey - a moose (or moo) dep for the indexer, is still do-able?
02:11 * tcohen      thinks mtompset is right
02:11 tcohen        but as it has to do with the indexer only... not CGI scripts...
02:11 mtj           aaah yes - moose...
02:10 * mtj         hasnt looked at that indexer bug in a while… ^^
02:10 * mtompset    ducks for cover as he expects tcohen to secretly be jumping for joy. ;)
02:10 tcohen        there's that moose discusion mtj
02:10 mtj           hey tcohen, ive been thinking… since the gpl3 license change, we can now include Tamil's zebra indexer in koha
02:09 jcamins       The patch on 8446 depends on Apache, as far as I can tell, which makes it a non-starter IMO.
02:09 wahanui       okay, wizzyrea.
02:09 wizzyrea      highfive is also o/*HIGHFIVE*\o
02:09 wizzyrea      hehe
02:09 wahanui       gimmie six!
02:09 wizzyrea      highfive!
02:09 mtompset      It points to the biblibre one and has a bit of a comparison.
02:08 wizzyrea      hiyas everybody :)
02:08 mtompset      Notice the last comment on it. ;)
02:08 mtj           mtompset, good stuff… :)
02:08 mtompset      Greetings, wizzyrea tcohen jcamins dcook mtj. :)
02:08 tcohen        hi mtompset
02:07 mtompset      mtj -- I saw that, but I liked the biblibre one better.
02:07 tcohen        hey, i love that one
02:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks
02:07 * wizzyrea    gives tcohen a highfive re: bug 9894
02:07 tcohen        i wonder if there should be a tighter integration still
02:07 tcohen        that patch is an interesting one, it relies on mod_shib and uses ENV info to fix stuff on the koha side
02:06 * mtj         waves to mtompset, wizzyrea , tcohen, dcook
02:06 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Shibboleth authentication patch
02:05 mtj           mtompset, fyi: there is current shibby bug (with a different patch) too… bug 8446
02:04 tcohen        already monday, right?
02:04 tcohen        hi wizzyrea
02:04 * wizzyrea    waves to tcohen
02:03 wizzyrea      just to keep in mind if you plan to rescue any more kittens
02:02 mtompset      But thanks for the suggestion.
02:02 mtompset      There wasn't enough to require one. The changes were pretty obvious, I think.
02:02 * wizzyrea    doesn't know the details, but knows that all of koha was done this way at one point
02:02 wizzyrea      mtompset - cjh may know of a script to automagically convert any HTP -> TT
02:01 * mtompset    grumbles about testing being so hard and tedious.
02:01 mtompset      Of course, to properly test, I'd need to set up all the forms of authentication possible to make sure I haven't broken anything else.
01:59 dcook         :D
01:58 * mtompset    is happy that I got it to start. Tomorrow, I'll be happy if I can get some tests out of it. :)
01:58 mtompset      Okay. Sounds good.
01:57 jcamins       mtompset: a note in the commit message.
01:56 mtompset      Any ideas on how to do that? As a comment in the patch? perhaps a Sponsored-By?
01:56 dcook         Attribution is always a good idea
01:55 mtompset      If I do get it up and running, yes. But I think I should probably comment somewhere about it gratuitously lifted from biblibre. :)
01:55 dcook         We're doing some work with Athens authentication. Once we get it up and running, we're going to put together a patch
01:55 dcook         Are you going to submit a patch when you get it up and running?
01:54 mtompset      It's an OLD version, for sure. :)
01:54 * dcook       just took a look at the git
01:54 dcook         Mmm
01:53 mtompset      Default apache2 settings = good. :)
01:53 mtompset      Because this patch really looks like it could solve what I need, if I can get it to work, and then tweak it for SAML 2.0 :)
01:52 mtompset      I forgot to add a [% END %] in.
01:51 mtompset      Yes, I did a translate guess. :)
01:51 jcamins       The patch you shared a link for was not for TT at all. You know that, right?
01:51 mtompset      I think I almost have this set of patches integrated inot my test git. :)
01:51 jcamins       Ummm...
01:50 mtompset      Okay... fixed my .tt error.
01:38 mtompset      Sweet... we have system preferences added. :)
01:37 mtompset      I'm about to find out... I found my mistake, and have gotten my attempt at patching up and not looping. :)
01:34 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1145 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:34 wizzyrea      all of the history exists in git :P
01:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9984 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The hold ratios table uses a server-side sort
01:34 jenkins_koha  Jonathan Druart: Bug 9984: Remove server-side sort on the hold ratios table
01:34 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.12.x build #9: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/9/
01:29 jcamins       But most likely that will depend on other BibLibre work.
01:29 jcamins       Of course.
01:29 mtompset      does that tag even exist in git still?
01:27 jcamins       Those patches will apply again 3.0.x, or maybe, if you're lucky, 3.2.x.
01:26 jcamins       They made up their own version numbering system.
01:26 mtompset      I thought that is 3.6.8?
01:26 mtompset      3.06.00.080
01:25 jcamins       They're for 3.0.6.
01:25 jcamins       mtompset: those aren't for 3.6.x.
01:20 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9523' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=79a67fcff29f82bb2b7ae0984fd5900f575b78f4> / Bug 9523: importing staged bib records hangs if a matched bib has been deleted <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea23dbeab2a2f5cf6be64e707ea56b3ea89e437b>
01:19 mtompset      And yes, I realize the patches are for 3.6.x, which is part of the problem. ;)
01:19 mtompset      I must have done it wrong, because I'm getting a web installer step 3 loop.
01:18 mtompset      and attempt to get them into my git test system.
01:18 dcook         mtompset: It should tell you all you need
01:18 mtompset      http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=commit;h=b5257f7235a7cbad396d1a4036101ba6a0903ecb
01:18 mtompset      I wanted to take these patches by biblibre
01:18 mtompset      I'm beginning to read that.
01:17 wahanui       somebody said system preferences was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences
01:17 jcamins       system preferences?
01:17 jcamins       In holdings? All the time.
01:17 jcamins       In bibs? Never.
01:17 mtompset      Have you ever added a system preference before?
01:17 mtompset      Greetings, dcook.
01:16 * dcook       waves to mtompset
01:16 * dcook       wonders how often libraries actually use 853/863 pairs...
01:16 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
01:08 dcook         Completely unnecessarily esoteric...
01:07 dcook         Die, MARC! Die!
01:07 * dcook       is looking at serials cataloguing in MARC
01:00 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9588' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de44ba220ab1f54d87d01cac71b8373a5d26a6b5> / Bug 9588: weighted search query with index <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=39bf1c502aec95742c81f43d7d631223b399ce5b>
00:56 jenkins_koha  Starting build #9 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:49 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9984' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb82ade9eb95bb0ad634ab220f0867bb8453713b> / Bug 9984: Remove server-side sort on the hold ratios table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91155470ba3cbee869368d6904cb3da4a0197768>
00:14 jcamins       You betcha!
00:13 jcamins       lol
00:13 dcook         You must type really quickly?
00:12 jcamins       dcook: they're similar... right?
00:12 dcook         ;)
00:12 dcook         2 months...20 years...
00:11 jcamins       dcook: since February 8.
00:11 tcohen        hi dcook
00:11 * dcook       waves to tcohen
00:11 dcook         jcamins: How long have you been wokring on it now?