Time Nick Message 00:01 tcohen i want to discard issues with the translate.k-c.org setup actually 00:02 tcohen yay! 00:02 tcohen 8579d07f1474a2393e518b66e9aa6c3464ab2e81 is the first bad commit 00:02 tcohen Merge branch 'bug_9068' into 3.12-master 00:02 tcohen bug 9068 00:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Babelthèque: New podcasts area 00:02 bgkriegel why? 00:03 tcohen that's what bissect says 00:03 bgkriegel I signed that 00:03 tcohen it doesn't make sense 00:03 bgkriegel it's on opac 00:04 tcohen exactly 00:04 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "test script" (30 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/472 00:05 tcohen maybe that patch isn't old enough 00:05 bgkriegel I see 00:06 dcook Sometimes git bisect messes up as well 00:07 dcook I've come up with the wrong patch using it before 00:07 tcohen I think my mistake is i'm not deleting the es-ES trnaslation on each iteration 00:07 eythian yeah, you've got to be careful to make sure it's as clean as possible 00:07 mtompset wizzyrea, you still here? 00:08 bgkriegel git clean -f -d? 00:08 tcohen dammmmmmmn, i'm grep-ing 'en' instead :-D 00:08 bgkriegel oops 00:08 mtompset Don't grep for such a small thing like 'en', that's going to scroll like mad! 00:09 eythian bgkriegel: not so much that, but anything that might not change properly with git needs to be kept in mind. Like translations. 00:09 bgkriegel yeah, right 00:12 mtompset I think the wording on the Ubuntu line is really the only remaining problem with http://koha-community.org/download-koha/. Right, tcohen? 00:14 wizzyrea there are no ubuntu packages - you use the debian ones on ubuntu. 00:14 wizzyrea unless that has changed? 00:15 tcohen mtompset: right 00:15 eythian that hasn't changed 00:15 mtompset Yes, they are the debian ones, but to a non-technical person, the reference to Debian on the Ubuntu line might be confusing. 00:15 tcohen does the end user need to know that wizzyrea? 00:15 wizzyrea yes, I think so. 00:15 tcohen that packages where not built specifically for Ubuntu? 00:16 dcook You could always call them "Deb" packages 00:17 tcohen i will always try to make it less obscure for the non-tech user, I like Debian anyway, but that's my motivation 00:17 mtompset The links, however, are a vast improvement. Thank you, wizzyrea. :) 00:17 eythian then don't mention it at all just "how to install on Ubuntu" 00:17 eythian +, 00:17 dcook "Ubuntu users can find instructions on our wiki for how to use the Debian packages on Ubuntu." 00:17 dcook That sounds reasonable as it is 00:18 mtompset wizzyrea++ # for updating the links. :) 00:19 bgkriegel tcohen, git clean -f -d; git reset --hard HEAD~35; (cd misc/translator/; perl translate install es-ES) and all is good, on HEAD~34 is a Warning: Can't determine original templates' charset, defaulting to UTF-8 and ñ dies 00:19 wizzyrea mtompset: no worries :) 00:20 tcohen so, u found it 00:20 bgkriegel trial and error 00:20 * mtompset high fives bgkriegel. 00:20 bgkriegel :) 00:21 * dcook really should try out installing Koha on Debian/Ubuntu 00:23 dcook It would be interesting to look into making RPMs as well 00:23 dcook While I've only seen a few mentions of RedHat, I seem to remember rangi mentioning that OpenSuse was pretty popular in India 00:24 * dcook goes back to authority wrangling 00:25 mtompset I was tinkering with that a couple weeks back, but then I pulled the plug on it, as I'd really like a non-CPAN solution for CentOS 6.x. Other projects needed more focus. 00:27 dcook I know the feeling ;) 00:27 tcohen night #koha, gotta cook 00:27 tcohen :-D 00:29 dcook authorities? 00:29 wahanui authorities are records that describe particular entities. 00:29 dcook authorities? 00:29 wahanui authorities are records that describe particular entities. 00:30 dcook wahanui: authorities is also http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html 00:30 wahanui OK, dcook. 00:30 dcook authorities? 00:30 wahanui hmmm... authorities is http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html 01:23 eythian wahanui: computers are http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2406 01:23 wahanui ...but computers is necessary for making libraries part of the rest of the computerised culture.... 01:23 wahanui ...but computers are necessary for making libraries part of the rest of the computerised culture.... 01:23 eythian wahanui: computers are also http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2406 01:23 wahanui okay, eythian. 01:23 wahanui OK, eythian. 01:36 dcook So...I just ran touch_all_biblios, and for some reason my changes to the 003 of one record have been reversed, and the script said it "Touched item"... 01:37 dcook Even though I don't see anywhere in the script where it would print "Touched item" O_o 01:40 dcook Ahh...my change never actually happened 01:40 dcook That makes sense 01:40 dcook I guess.. 01:40 dcook Still not sure about the "Touched item" printing out though 01:48 wizzyrea oleonard++ 01:51 dcook Helps if you run touch_all_biblios and not touch_all_items... 01:51 * dcook facepalm 01:51 dcook Is it Friday yet? 01:51 eythian not long now 01:52 dcook Beer...need...beer 01:52 dcook Yay! Everything working as it should! 01:55 dcook Oooh 01:55 wizzyrea squirrels? 01:55 wahanui I think you mean "sqrats" 01:55 dcook O_o 01:55 * wizzyrea giggles 02:10 dcook Whoa...touch_all_biblios really does it all 02:13 dcook @karma Bywater_Solutions 02:13 huginn dcook: Karma for "Bywater_Solutions" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 02:13 dcook @karma BywaterSolutions 02:13 huginn dcook: BywaterSolutions has neutral karma. 02:13 dcook @karma Bywater Solutions 02:13 huginn dcook: Bywater Solutions has neutral karma. 02:13 dcook @karma ByWater Solutions 02:13 huginn dcook: ByWater Solutions has neutral karma. 02:13 dcook @karma ByWaterSolutions 02:13 huginn dcook: ByWaterSolutions has neutral karma. 02:13 dcook @karma ByWater_Solutions 02:13 huginn dcook: Karma for "ByWater_Solutions" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 02:13 dcook ByWater_Solutions++ 02:36 BobB @later tell Kathryn Please buzz BobB 02:36 huginn BobB: The operation succeeded. 02:40 bag evening all :) 02:41 dac hey ya bag 02:41 bag hey dac 02:41 bag @karma bywater 02:41 huginn bag: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 35 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 35. 02:41 bag there you go dcook 02:42 dcook Ahh 02:42 dcook Now I know for next time ;) 02:42 bag it should be better than mine 02:42 bag @karma bag 02:42 huginn bag: Karma for "bag" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. 02:42 bag :D 02:42 bag that i like 02:42 bag @karma brendan 02:42 huginn bag: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28. 02:42 bag again :D 02:44 kathryn hi BobB :) 02:45 bag heya kathryn 02:45 wahanui kathryn is on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ofqX3S0SPDo/UGIT5sSfE6I/AAAAAAAATng/bQYU5Chf6Qc/s720/ROSS9901.JPG 02:45 eythian wahanui++ 02:45 kathryn hi bag :) eythian can you please tell wahanui something else!?! 02:46 eythian kathryn: well, you'll have to supply another embarrassing picture 02:46 kathryn hmmph 02:46 dcook @karma dcook 02:46 huginn dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12. 02:46 dcook whoa 02:46 dcook When did that happen 02:47 * dcook was expecting 2 02:47 BobB dcook is close to buddha hood! 02:47 dcook :p 02:47 dcook @karma rangi 02:47 huginn dcook: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 782 times and decreased 6 times for a total karma of 776. 02:48 dcook I think that's our buddha ;) 02:48 BobB :) 02:50 bag too bad we can't see who negative karma'd rangi 02:51 eythian you can't? I can. 02:51 eythian e.g. 02:51 eythian jan 13 06:07:07 <rangi> rangi-- 02:52 bag can't self demote can you? 02:52 eythian no :) 02:52 bag so I guess you can't either :P 02:52 bag heh 02:53 gmcharlt @quote random 02:53 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #196: "oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." (added by wizzyrea at 04:41 PM, April 02, 2012) 02:57 dcook gmcharlt: Any change of a sort_control_fields (like this one: http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-dev/2011-December/007787.html) method ending up in MARC::Record? 02:58 dcook change = chance* 02:58 wahanui dcook: that doesn't look right 02:59 dcook Actually, that's not control fields...it's all 0xx... 02:59 gmcharlt dcook: indeed 03:00 dcook Indeed to the question or the statement? 03:00 gmcharlt the statement :) 03:00 dcook Thought that might be the case 03:00 gmcharlt as far as the question -- seems appropriate for a MARC::Record::Utils, perhaps 03:02 dcook Hmm, cool beans 03:02 dcook I suppose sorting really should matter that much 03:03 dcook Except perhaps in terms of datafields as the cataloguer on that site mentions 03:03 dcook shouldn't* 03:05 dcook Of course, the whole MARC dying thing would really help with the not bothering...:p 03:06 gmcharlt dcook: eh, it ain't dead yet, alas 03:06 mtj hey peeps, how does koha deal with upgrading language files, with a pkg upgrade? 03:06 mtj ...anyone know, off their heads? 03:07 dcook gmcharlt: True enough. Is it a goal for 3.14 to start trying to use other XML metadata formats? 03:07 bag kill MARC!!!! 03:07 dcook Seems like a huge project :/ 03:07 bag heh 03:07 eythian mtj: which language files? 03:08 mtj is a 'translate create/update/install' needed after an upgrade? nor not? 03:08 eythian yes 03:08 eythian the packages don't know about htem 03:08 mtj korean 03:08 mtj ok, thanks eythian 03:09 gmcharlt dcook: to add support for additional ones, yes 03:09 dcook :D 03:13 gmcharlt but at beast 3.14 merely lays the execution block, it won't be the executioner :) 03:13 gmcharlt *best 03:14 dcook :) 03:14 dcook Thankfully 03:14 dcook I imagine that MARC will be around for a long time... 03:14 dcook In some way shape or form 03:15 dcook way, shape, or form* 03:15 * dcook thinks it's time to eat and recharge the (grammar) brain 03:15 dcook On a side note, Zebra can index other library XML metadata formats? http://gilbane.com/2006/09/index-data-releases-zebra-2-0/ 03:18 gmcharlt dcook: it can index XML of any schema, in fact 03:19 dcook Right 03:19 dcook Actually, while I have you on the line... 03:20 dcook Why do we still use the marc blob? 03:20 dcook Or rather store the raw marc in a blob 03:20 eythian it's fast to process 03:20 eythian (there may be other reasons) 03:20 bag export? 03:20 wahanui i think export is export. 03:21 dcook eythian: true that 03:21 bag heh thanks wahanui 03:21 bag good to have limits :P 03:21 bag heh 03:23 jcamins No, mostly just speed. 03:23 gmcharlt dcook: eh, history? 03:24 gmcharlt I don't think we really gain anything by storing both MARC and MARCXML in biblioitems 03:25 dcook With the exception of speed, that's what I've been thinking as well 03:25 jcamins I don't think it gives enough speed benefit to make a difference anyway. 03:26 bag but we do write to two/three spots at the same time - so there has to be a speed win 03:26 dcook I'm trying to remember what Edmund (the boss man) was saying about the speed benefit 03:26 eythian it's substantially faster when doing large batch operations 03:26 bag maybe not majorly noticeable - but in batch that should be noticeable 03:26 dcook For a library of 800,000+ records, I seem to remember him saying that it was quite a noticeable speed gain 03:26 dcook I want to say he said 30% 03:27 eythian much less significant on regular browsing I'd expect 03:27 eythian and really, a better solution would be to serialise the MARC::Record objects into memcache 03:29 gmcharlt dcook: well, the recent release of MARC::File::XML significantly speeds up its XML parsing 03:30 eythian ah, good to know 03:31 dcook Yay! 03:32 dcook Although that won't have an impact on indexing 03:33 eythian indexing is done as XML by default with the packages 03:34 gmcharlt dcook: well, indexing (particularly updates) is going to be slow anyway with either Zebra or Solr, relative to search speed 03:35 dcook Yeah, I think we tend to do most of our indexing as XML as well, eythian. Just one or two instances where a particularly large library benefits from the raw marc 03:35 dcook gmcharlt: Yeah, I've heard that they have pretty comparable indexing speeds 04:43 eythian http://i.imgur.com/YzDKkvW.jpg <-- east-vs.-west Berlin by different types of street-lighting 05:00 dcook Neato! 05:12 eythian hi cait 05:12 cait hi eythian :) 05:16 dcook hey cait :) 05:19 dcook Hmm, so there's no way to automate the merging of authorities is there? 05:19 dcook merge_authority.pl works nice when using -f -t flags, but the batch mode is...confusing 05:20 eythian I don't think I've ever had cause to use it 05:24 dcook I have the feeling it doesn't do what I think it's supposed to do :p 05:24 cait talking about the automerge thing? 05:25 dcook Possibly? 05:26 cait i thought there was a cronjob and the immediate thing 05:26 cait using the switch in the pref 05:26 dcook Yeah, that's what the syspref says 05:26 cait but... we don't use it 05:26 dcook Which setting do you have? 05:27 cait the standard one 05:27 cait I haven't touched it 05:27 cait we are in a different situation 05:27 cait if something changes, we get the new data from the union catalog and import that 05:27 cait libraries are not working with authorities locally, ony on union catalog level 05:27 dcook I want to say it's normally set to "Don't automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authority.pl cronjob." 05:28 cait ah yes 05:28 cait I think because it could take long if you have lots of records attached to an authority 05:29 cait i think the bug this was introduced with had a good description 05:29 cait maybe look for that? 05:29 cait brb 05:29 dcook So if it's set to "Don't"...it puts the authid in the "need_merge_authorities" table for the cronjob to pick up separately 05:30 dcook Mmmm, I understand now 05:31 dcook merge_authority.pl -b just "merges" the info from the authority record into the bib record (hence why it's reflexive in the script...) 05:31 dcook Whereas merge_authority.pl -f -t actually merges two separate authorities 05:31 dcook So no automated merging of different authorities 05:32 dcook Ideally, you shouldn't have to merge authorities, but if you're importing from a different system with poor authority control...it would be good to have in migration_tools 05:32 dcook Unless bulkauthimport.pl takes that into account.. 05:32 dcook Wait, that's deprecated 05:33 bag oh hey there cait 05:35 dcook Hmm, nope. No de-duplication that I can see.. 05:37 * druthb finished updating pootle, and wanders off to bed. 0600 comes toooooo early. 05:42 bag later druthb_away 05:42 bag <dcook> Did anything ever come of make_spelling_suggest.pl? 05:42 bag no nothing 05:42 dcook I thought that might be the case 05:42 dcook *shrug* 05:45 bag I think that code originally was from 2.2 05:45 bag I never saw the reason to bring it back once we had zebra and fuzzy logic (sadly) 05:47 * magnuse waves 05:47 bag heya magnuse 05:47 wahanui somebody said magnuse was a Norwegian giant. 05:47 magnuse kia ora bag! 05:47 bag sweet giant 05:47 magnuse pf 05:48 bag getting any warmer there magnuse 05:48 eythian should be, it's getting colder here. We held on to summer as long as we could. 05:48 magnuse @wunder boo 05:48 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 05:49 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:49 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 05:49 bag @wunder sba 05:49 huginn bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 14.0°C (9:53 PM PDT on April 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 05:49 * magnuse is happy as long as it's >0 and the snow is melting 05:49 bag :D 05:49 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:49 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.5°C (7:45 AM CEST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 05:49 magnuse eythian: sounds like wizzyrea & co got quite a start to their nz life :-) 05:50 cait still early here :) 05:50 eythian yeah, they had the best run of good weather we've had since nearly 100 years or so. 05:50 eythian (unless you're a farmer, we also had drought over most of the country) 05:50 bag :) so funny - in my house it's trea & co (other way around) :P 05:50 magnuse sad thing is it will probably never get that good again... 05:51 eythian that's OK, you just go to Australia in summer for a week or two if you need to :) 05:51 magnuse bag: hehe 05:51 magnuse eythian: ah, good plan! or somewhere like fiji, perhaps? ooh... 05:51 eythian yeah, that's an option too 05:54 * magnuse remembers seeing commercials on buses etc for that 05:54 magnuse oh well, breakfast time! 06:00 shiva hi 06:01 shiva this is shiva 06:01 shiva working as a 06:01 shiva librarian 06:01 wahanui hmmm... librarian is trying to create a label batch 06:01 cait wahanui forget librarian 06:01 wahanui cait: I forgot librarian 06:02 shiva ok 06:03 eythian shiva: Bangalore, huh? 06:03 shiva yes 06:03 eythian cool. 06:03 shiva you from? 06:03 eythian Wellington, New Zealand 06:03 shiva nice 06:04 shiva I working on koha 06:05 bag awesome 06:05 eythian excellent :) 06:05 shiva newly installed 06:05 shiva 3.8 version 06:05 bag eythian: ever have a mint julep ? 06:05 shiva i have clarification 06:05 eythian bag: I don't think so, no 06:05 shiva regarding search index 06:06 bag ahhh they are big for the Kentucky Derby - I made some a few weeks ago they are "priming" in the fridge until Derby time 06:06 bag @google mint julep 06:06 huginn bag: Mint julep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mint_julep>; Mint Julep: <http://shopmintjulep.com/>; Mint Julep recipe - DrinksMixer.com: <http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink5382.html>; The Perfect Mint Julep Recipe : : Recipes : Food Network: <http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/sara-moulton/the-perfect-mint-julep-recipe/>; Bourbon Mint Julep Cocktail Recipe - Cocktails - (2 more messages) 06:07 eythian shiva: ask away, someone may be able to help. 06:07 eythian bag: nice. I've never been to Kentucky either :) 06:09 bag they say about kentucky - getting lucky in kentucky 06:09 shiva i cataloged few items, which are not search-able in webopac or librarian interface 06:09 bag I've been to kentucky twice 06:09 bag searching? 06:09 wahanui searching is not working 06:09 bag indexing? 06:09 wahanui indexing is done by Zebra. 06:09 eythian wahanui: search faq 06:09 wahanui search faq is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 06:09 bag thanks eythian 06:09 bag shiva ^^ 06:10 shiva thans 06:10 eythian shiva: there should be a process that updates the index every 5 or so minutes. If it's not set up correctly, this will happen. There are other things that may break it too. 06:10 shiva i will let u know 06:10 eythian that page will cover the common causes. 06:14 * dcook praises MySQL, Perl, and bash then goes and makes a sandwich 06:16 shiva how to find the PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha 06:16 shiva in Ubuntu 06:17 bag how did you install? 06:17 bag packages? 06:17 wahanui rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 06:17 bag or git? 06:17 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 06:18 shiva i am new to this koha 06:18 shiva one of my friend installed by live DVD 06:20 shiva i found path for koha.conf.xml .....file:///opt/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml 06:29 bag hmmm... 06:29 mtj you know what koha could use….? 06:29 mtj a way for a super-user to stop/start zebra (or solr) from the koha gui 06:29 bag agreed mtj 06:29 bag heya mtj 06:29 shiva ok 06:30 mtj well, and configure the index rebuilding stuff, too 06:30 bag and configure zebra indexes :) 06:30 mtj oooh, bonus points there 06:31 bag they are just regular files there so it could be possible 06:31 mtj its the one thing that noobs always have problems with 06:31 shiva ok 06:33 mtj i guess a good start, would be some diag/debug info from the koha gui, about zebra indexing 06:33 mtj whats the frequency, when then last index happened, when the next one will happen... 06:34 mtj how many outstanding bibs are waiting to be indexed, etc... 06:34 mtj ohh…. hey bagz, shiva 06:35 bag mtj we could add that info to the about page? 06:36 mtj sure 06:36 shiva how 06:36 reiveune hello 06:37 mtj see, with a package install, getting that info is well do-able.... 06:37 mtj without a package install - pulling that info from cron, is tricky 06:38 shiva i get into the koha about page 06:39 mtj perhaps we could query fredericdem's zebradaemon too, for that info 06:40 mtj just thinking outloud here... 06:40 mtj sorry, shiva - we are talking about a feature that does not exist in koha 06:41 shiva ok 06:42 mtj shiva, the person that builds the offical Koha live-CD is not on IRC much... 06:43 mtj i dont know how the zebra indexing is set up on the live-cd , so i cant really help you 06:44 mtj shiva, if you want help with Koha on #irc, you should consider installing Koha using the debian packages 06:45 mtj … thats what most developers are using 06:45 mtj packages? 06:45 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 06:45 shiva KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v 06:45 mtj shiva, read that ^^ 06:45 drojf i thought the »official« livedvd uses packages 06:45 drojf shiva: where did you get the koha dvd? 06:46 drojf and good morning #koha 06:46 shiva OSSlab 06:46 shiva person 06:47 mtj drojf, i would be very happy, if you were right :) 06:48 shiva how to install zebra 06:48 mtj from what shiva has pasted…. it does not look like a pkg install (to me) 06:49 magnuse /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml is not packages, no 06:49 christophe_c hello koha 06:49 magnuse bonjour christophe_c 06:49 christophe_c salut magnuse ;-) 06:50 shiva that is command given by friend 06:50 shiva to start zebra 06:50 drojf it is another livedvd. and it apparently uses git, since the path is /opt/kohaclone. sorry, i don't know the dvd, maybe osslabs can help you better with that 06:50 magnuse shiva: that command you gave above will do a full reindexing of your records 06:51 shiva ok 06:52 shiva how do i know whether zebra has installed or not 06:52 magnuse and search does not work after you have executed that command? 06:52 magnuse try "ps aux | grep zebra" 06:53 shiva 1000 27124 0.0 0.0 4368 836 pts/0 R+ 12:19 0:00 grep --color=auto zebra 06:53 shiva this is I got 06:53 mtj drojf, looks like the first 'offical' koha dvd, has not been released yet 06:53 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Live_DVD_Blueprint 06:54 magnuse shiva: that was the only output of "ps aux | grep zebra"? 06:56 drojf mtj: i thought there was one before that. maybe it was not "official" ^^ 06:56 drojf livedcds-- 06:56 drojf oops 06:56 drojf livedvds-- 06:56 shiva ok 06:57 marcelr hi #koha 06:57 magnuse shiva: if that was the only output, then zebra is not running 06:57 drojf hi marcelr 06:58 marcelr hi drojf magnuse 06:58 * cait waves 06:58 shiva what should i do 06:58 marcelr and cait :) 06:58 magnuse shiva: try "ls /etc/init.d/koha*" 06:58 mtj drojf, yeah…. many many Koha livecd/livedvds, none official, (and none using Koha packages?) 06:59 mtj first offical koha livedvd to be released on 22 may, running 3.12 -> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2013-March/035654.html 07:00 shiva ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/koha: No such file or directory 07:01 shiva for this command "ls /etc/init.d/koha" 07:01 drojf i know it is not very friendly, but if people hand out their selfbuilt dvds i'd like them to do the support too 07:01 drojf in the end it is "koha sucks" if it does not work 07:02 shiva yes selfbuilt dvds 07:02 magnuse shiva: you missed a * at the end: "ls /etc/init.d/koha*" 07:02 shiva ok 07:03 shiva uaslibrary@uaslibrary:~$ ls /etc/init.d/koha* /etc/init.d/koha-sip-daemon /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon 07:04 shiva i got like this......./etc/init.d/koha-sip-daemon /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon 07:04 shiva for the command "ls /etc/init.d/koha*" 07:05 Joubu salut 07:05 wahanui hey, Joubu 07:07 magnuse shiva: cool. could you do a "ls -l /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon" too? 07:07 mtj shiva, you need to tell us where you downloaded your livedvd from 07:09 shiva its selfbuilt livedvd 07:10 shiva i got result something like this........... 07:10 shiva lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Mar 4 10:27 /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon -> /etc/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh 07:11 drojf i assume it is http://www.osslabs.biz/koha/livecd 07:12 magnuse hm, root eh? 07:12 magnuse i'm thinking "sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start" is worth a try then - anyone got a better idea? 07:13 mtj yes, i have... 07:14 mtj dont use that livecd, install koha using the debian packages 07:15 mtj or - use that livecd… but ask osslabs to help you, if you have problems with it 07:15 shiva no ubuntu 07:15 shiva 12.4 version 07:16 shiva i got result something like this........... 07:16 shiva Starting Zebra Server Invalid --user argument: 'koha.koha' (unknown user koha) usage: daemon [options] [--] [cmd arg...] options: -h, --help - Print a help message then exit -V, --version - Print a version message then exit -v, --verbose[=level] - Set the verbosity level -d, --debug[=level] - Set the debug 07:16 shiva ............................... 07:17 shiva -C, --config=path - Specify the configuration file -N, --noconfig - Bypass the system configuration file -n, --name=name - Guarantee a single named instance -X, --command=cmd - Specify the client command as an option -P, --pidfiles=/dir - Override standard pidfile location -F, --pidfile=/path 07:17 shiva -u, --user=user[:group] - Run the client as user[:group] -R, --chroot=path - Run the client with path as root -D, --chdir=path - Run the client in directory path -m, --umask=umask - Run the client with the given umask -e, --env="var=val" - Set a client environment variable -i, --inherit - Inherit 07:17 magnuse yeah, that does not look good 07:17 drojf that unknown user thing does not look too great ^^ 07:18 magnuse nope 07:18 drojf my guess is the dvd is not properly configured 07:18 magnuse sounds like it 07:21 shiva what could be the problem 07:26 drojf shiva: all we could do is guess. you are using a custom livedvd not available to the public. you have to explain your problems to the person that made the dvd and ask for help there. we can't assist with an installation we know nothing about. at least i can't. 07:27 mtj shiva, if you really must use a live dvd/cd, look here -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD 07:28 mtj and here -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivecd-lite/ 07:28 mtj that is probably the best livedvd available, currently , for koha 07:29 mtj koha 3.10.00, installed via packages 07:29 shiva thanks 07:29 magnuse rangi: could you perhaps remove what <panitaliemom> just "said" from the logs? 07:30 mtj shiva, if you download/install that - we can help you... 07:30 drojf »Live CDs and DVDs should not be used to run a library. These are not officially supported by Koha, and any difficulties should be taken up with the creator of them. « 07:30 drojf ^^ 07:33 shiva ok 07:33 mtj vimal++ those 2 livedvds look pretty good 07:34 mtj 'Koha installation based on Ubuntu packages, it means easy to upgrade Koha using two commands.' 07:34 shiva yes 07:38 dcook [off] that moment when you go from "I'm so clever" to "I'm such an idiot...." 07:39 magnuse [off] never heard of it... 07:41 drojf [off] lol 07:43 dcook Oh well 07:43 dcook Disaster averted! 07:44 magnuse yay 07:51 magnuse slides? 07:51 wahanui kf should be writing slides 09:00 vfernandes hello :) 09:00 magnuse hiya vfernandes 09:01 magnuse @later tell rangi: could you perhaps remove what <panitaliemom> "said" from the logs? 09:01 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 09:01 rangi already have 09:01 magnuse ah, thanks 09:01 * magnuse could have checked 09:03 rangi :) 09:05 magnuse i must confess it is tempting to click on one of those links to see what it is, but i will... not... do... it... 09:21 rangi heh 09:44 alohabot Hi mib_hfuuxh, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 09:52 * cait waves 09:57 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:57 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.7°C (11:45 AM CEST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 09:57 cait crazy warm 09:58 wizzyrea hiyas 09:58 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 09:58 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 09:58 wizzyrea that's actually decent 09:59 wizzyrea i approve of this fall weather. 10:02 cait :) 10:03 cait @quote random 10:03 huginn cait: Quote #235: "libsysguy: I feel like working on koha is like cooking at the fire station. First one to complain is the next one to cook." (added by wizzyrea at 07:55 PM, March 07, 2013) 10:04 vfernandes how to correct install zh-Hans-CN language in Koha 3.10? 10:04 vfernandes it gives so many errors in OPAC 10:05 cait vfernandes: best would be to fix the errors in pootle, then download the po files from there 10:06 vfernandes cait i don't know chinese :D but it's a demand from the client 10:06 cait i guess it's syntax errors 10:07 cait when you can't figure out the missing %s or the like, you could blank the line or mark it fuzzy 10:07 rangi vfernandes: does the client know chinese? make them do it 10:07 vfernandes besides of that 3.10 has 90000 words in pt-PT but in zh-Hans-CN there is only 9000 10:07 gerundio hi, has anyone ever experienced apache seg faults when a given perl module is active? 10:07 rangi its a bit unrealistic to expect someone who doesnt know chinese to fix it 10:07 vfernandes I already told them to do it :P 10:08 vfernandes but isn't strange to be only 9000 words? 10:08 cait vfernandes: maybe it's not counting it right - becasue you don't have spaces between words in chinese i think 10:08 cait or you might, I don't speak chinese, but I think it could be a language thing 10:09 vfernandes but the words count aren't from the original (en) language? 10:10 cait not sure 10:10 cait the counting in pootle is werid 10:10 cait maybe open files in poedit and check there 10:10 cait i think poedit counts entries, or check how many msg things in the po files between normal and chinese 10:11 vfernandes ok thanks cait 10:11 vfernandes let's see what the client says 10:12 shiva k 10:25 tweetbot [off] twitter: @alanpepelko: "Kaže, da mi bo poznavanje Kohe še prišlo prav. #KohaILS" 10:44 cait wonder what that tweet translates to 11:01 magnuse cait: "It seems that my knowledge of the Cohesion Fund will come in handy." according to google translate 11:02 magnuse not sure that makes a lot of sense... 11:42 jcamins gmcharlt: when you're around, please ping me. 12:33 tweetbot [off] twitter: @jhibbets: "Great post on open source communities, companies getting bought, and who owns what in the end | http://t.co/7ECnZgiQUz #kohails" 12:39 tcohen morning #koha 12:40 marcelr hi tcohen 12:40 tcohen hi marcelr 12:40 marcelr saw your patch on utf8 12:40 marcelr interesting:) 12:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #4 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:40 tcohen yes, wanted to talk about it 12:41 marcelr ? 12:42 tcohen I'd like to document the different data flows that happen inside Koha, so its clearer where do we need to decode/encode 12:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9997' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca676f72ff9c81ee9949463b815ee78a5002f1ea> / Bug 9997 - Suspected typo in patron self registration code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cd8189fa862164a64215a8c1d8690645c5397f2> / Merge branch 'bug_9737' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c19 12:42 tcohen from the templates, to the browser, from the database, etc 12:42 marcelr tcohen: we should get rid of the deeper decodes in modules and so.. 12:43 marcelr one point is using CGI with -utf8 12:43 tcohen exactly, I wrapped (as gmcharlt suggested) CGI inside Koha::CGI 12:43 marcelr our approach is now hybrid 12:43 tcohen and added param_decode_utf8 method 12:44 tcohen that could tackle the CGI front 12:44 tcohen but others remain 12:44 marcelr can you use -utf8 inside your module 12:44 tcohen they suggest not to do it 12:44 marcelr why not (binary argument)? 12:44 marcelr is there any binary upload in koha? 12:45 marcelr this discussion is also on the bug 6554 and its dependents 12:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 12:45 jcamins I'm thinking of reverting 6554 for 3.12. 12:46 marcelr why so? 12:47 jcamins marcelr: I hadn't realized quite how high risk that patch was. 12:48 marcelr i think we covered it quite 12:49 * cait waves from a train... :) 12:50 * jcamins waves back 12:50 marcelr jcamins: it is a difficult choice: reverting it means getting back the old problems 12:50 jcamins marcelr: yeah, but string freeze is 2 weeks away, and we had the old set of problems for months. 12:51 jcamins If not years. 12:51 marcelr true 12:51 marcelr a solution should go in one day 12:51 * libsysguy heard jcamins was going to push everyones patches regardless of stability 12:51 jcamins The code would remain in master, so that would be another six months to get it actually working. 12:52 jcamins libsysguy: that was the other strategy I considered. :P 12:52 marcelr well, i would understand it but do not prefer to revert.. 12:54 cait are we talking about the refernce bug? 12:54 jcamins No. 12:54 cait well... are you talking and I am just showing up from a train... :) 12:54 jcamins That's not on the table. 12:55 jcamins Bug 6554 12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 12:55 cait ah 12:55 cait it's causing problems? 12:55 marcelr no 12:55 jcamins It has had some side-effects, and I'm concerned that we might not catch them all prior to 3.12. 12:55 marcelr it is more about the possibility of.. 12:55 tcohen give us a couple of days jcamins 12:56 marcelr jcamins: there is a lot of code more in Koha already with side-effects etc. not completely caught.. 12:56 jcamins marcelr: of course. 12:56 jcamins But that doesn't mean I should make it worse. 12:56 cait the side effects are worse tha bad display? 12:56 marcelr this is better code than is in now 12:56 cait I mean, does it break functionality? 12:57 jcamins cait: well, we end up with translated text not showing up in random places. 12:57 cait ew 12:57 cait that's quite a step back... but at least it owuld make it easy to spot the places... in theory that is 12:58 jcamins Yeah, perfect for master. 12:58 marcelr these places are easy to spot 12:58 marcelr most have been covered.. 12:58 cait I thik it all started with a bug 12:58 marcelr :) 12:59 cait in patron search 12:59 cait where dobrica had problems to make the ames show up 12:59 cait jcamins: would you be able to give them ... a deadline before you pull out? 12:59 cait and given we see some progress it could remain 12:59 jcamins Sure... 12:59 cait i don't know how much time you will have for a thing like that 12:59 jcamins next Friday sound good? 12:59 cait I will be testing master a lot next wek 12:59 cait week 13:00 cait once I am donw with this presentation and we will be testing in german 13:00 marcelr cait: currently we have no problems pending for this area 13:00 cait so when I work with updated po files that shoudl be complete... I should be able to help spotting, that right? 13:00 marcelr it is just the risk of forgetting one 13:00 cait so everything that was found is now in master? 13:00 marcelr or in the queue 13:00 jcamins No, there are several follow-ups that I've been considering pushing. 13:00 jcamins Which is why I said something. 13:00 marcelr signed or passed qa 13:01 cait oly 373 out of 2100 are academic libraries... interesting (referring to lib-web-cats and koha) 13:01 cait marcelr: the referece bug is a bit monstrous now too :) 13:02 marcelr monstrous? 13:02 cait marcelr: I think it was by design to only display one callnumber for each 13:02 marcelr sounds odd to me 13:02 cait marcelr: because we for example have individual callnumbers for each item around here 13:02 cait think serials 13:02 cait with 120 items with unique callnumbers 13:02 marcelr fun 13:02 cait it's always been like that 13:02 cait the result list would be exploding 13:02 jcamins The idea was that any call number is better than none. 13:03 cait sorry that I can't test right now - I know commeting from the sideline is a bit weird 13:03 marcelr we could revert everything :) 13:03 jcamins marcelr: that'd be the safest. 13:03 cait just really have to put the last touches on those slides and survive tomorrow :) 13:03 cait we revert back to 3.10? :P 13:03 marcelr 3.8 13:04 marcelr safe version 13:04 jcamins 3.6 was more stable. :P 13:04 cait that would go a bit far, don't you think? 13:04 jcamins 3.8 was a bit messy. 13:04 marcelr cait: maybe we need more prefs for these call numbers :) 13:05 cait marcelr: i like prefs ;) 13:05 * jcamins won't be reverting it, because being RM should have _some_ perqs (and I've been running clients with a similar patch for years). 13:05 cait but I would really like a way to restore the behaviour that we got now (in stable 3.6) for the libraires somehow 13:06 cait because I don't want them to complain at me :) 13:06 marcelr i will move my followups somewhere else from bug 9995 13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9995 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , For reference items no longer listed in XSLT result lists 13:06 jcamins No, that's a good place for them. 13:07 cait marcelr: i love that you took the time to clean that code up - I really appreaciate that 13:07 cait only the little thing with the callnumbers is worrying me 13:07 marcelr cait: well i think now that i wasted my time 13:08 cait :( 13:08 marcelr on 6554 and 9995 :) 13:08 cait I am not sure how we can continue 13:08 cait maybe I really need to find time to take a look at all that and we could get a switch for the callnumbers? 13:09 marcelr starting with patch of kyle only 13:09 marcelr i will let it pass qa 13:09 cait hm 13:09 cait are you ok with that? 13:09 marcelr np 13:09 jcamins marcelr: 6554 is going to be in 3.14 regardless. 13:10 marcelr 3.14 is far away 13:10 jcamins And I like the idea of 9995 with a syspref. 13:10 marcelr :) 13:10 cait marcelr: I am really sorry for being so difficult 13:10 cait I think you have valid points about that code 13:10 marcelr i move my stuff somehwere else and come back later on it.. 13:10 marcelr in 3.22 13:10 jcamins marcelr: if it makes you feel any better, that's how I feel about Koha development as well. 13:11 marcelr too bad 13:11 marcelr you end up with so many reports finished half.. 13:11 jcamins Also, what I was saying wasn't on the table was reverting bug 5079, not bug 9995. 13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Pushed to Master , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs 13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9995 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , For reference items no longer listed in XSLT result lists 13:12 jcamins In case that wasn't clear. 13:12 marcelr 9995 just tries to fix 5079 13:12 cait marcelr: let's talk once this release is out about your enhancemens 13:12 cait I am amean tester - jared can confirm that :) 13:12 jcamins That's why I'm interested in including 9995. 13:12 cait I woudl like to get your things moving along 13:12 marcelr mean=good 13:12 marcelr in testing 13:13 cait I have noticed that you have a lot sitting in bugzilla right now 13:13 marcelr the circulation stuff is now quite important for us 13:13 marcelr but that is 3.14 or later 13:13 cait yes, talking abou tthat 13:13 cait :) 13:14 cait maybe we can try and get it in early 3.14 13:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #4: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/4/ 13:18 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10061 - Fix tinymce path references broken by bug 9172 13:18 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9894 - (3.12) de-serialize the 'hidden' value for subfields in frameworks 13:18 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 9894 - Followup: Add support for "flagged" values 13:18 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9894 - (3.12) Small followup 13:18 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9894: Add labels for checkboxes 13:18 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9737 - Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists 13:18 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9997 - Suspected typo in patron self registration code 13:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10061 critical, P2, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Fix the tiny_mce error when building packages 13:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 13:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks 13:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists 13:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9997 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Suspected typo in patron self registration code 13:18 * marcelr thinks of never writing qa followups anymore :) 13:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1141 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:18 jcamins marcelr: I pushed most of them! 13:19 marcelr it is good that we do not have a dashboard on obsoleted patches..;) 13:20 jcamins marcelr: hehe. 13:21 cait1 now I fell off the internets... 13:22 tcohen_ morning cait 13:24 jcamins [off] A friend of mine who left her PhD program in engineering received letters concerning her registration for this coming semester. So she contacted the grad school to ask why, as she had withdrawn. They told her they didn't officially withdraw her in case she decided she wanted to "change her mind." 13:28 * druthb wishes the extra caits would stick around. We could always use more cait. 13:30 cait hmpf 13:34 * magnuse agrees with druthb 13:34 druthb thank you, magnuse. I was hoping we could get to some sort of community consensus on that. 13:35 magnuse add it to the agenda for the next meeting? 13:35 cait you 2 are impossible .P 13:35 druthb I'm not impossible, merely improbable. 13:38 magnuse hehe 13:40 libsysguy holy cow http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/fertilizer-plant-explosion-waco-texas/64337/ 13:41 cait oh tcohen 13:41 cait I got a question for you 13:42 tcohen tell me 13:42 cait you work at an academic library, right? a university? I am looking for big university libraries using koha right now and need some numbers :) 13:42 tcohen we don't have a central library, but 38 independent libraries 13:43 tcohen this uinversity has 120K students 13:43 cait i love it already :) 13:43 cait are all independent libraries using koha? 13:43 cait or only some? 13:44 cait and one central installation or each individual? 13:44 tcohen individual installs, on the same server, centrally managed 13:44 tcohen there are two libraries that have their own IT staff and their own install 13:45 tcohen but pulling from our SVN deployment scripts 13:45 cait ah 13:45 cait so students have an account in each of the libraries? 13:46 tcohen for now, they do 13:46 cait :) how big are the libraries? 13:46 tcohen we've recently set a big LDAP service as backend for an Identity Provider 13:47 tcohen (OpenID, SAML/Shibboleth) which we plan to use soon with Koha too 13:48 tcohen measured how? 13:48 cait oh nice :) 13:48 cait hm, volumes maybe? 13:48 cait but yah, measuring libraries is hard 13:48 tcohen the biggest has 80K bibliographic records 13:48 cait I am trying to compose a slide for the people that say koah is only for small instutions/libraries 13:48 tcohen not that big 13:49 cait still a nice size 13:49 cait ours are between 30-80.0000 too i think 13:50 tcohen i've set a demo site for a 1.5M records library (spain) which scaled well 13:50 tcohen but cannot disclose more info :-P 13:51 cait yeah I think volumes are not the problem 13:51 cait that needs disk space 13:51 cait more interesting how much circulation, staff etc. 13:51 cait so if anyone has good ideas... :) 13:51 cait right now I am tryding to find numbes on some french university websites... but that's not so easy 13:52 cait tcohen: what is your official name? I could still say 38 libraries and 120.000 sstudents total, right? 13:52 tcohen yes 13:52 tcohen Universidad Nacional de Córdoba 13:53 cait thank you :) 13:53 cait also an exciting project! 13:54 tcohen good luck cait 13:54 cait thx :) 14:01 jcamins It's a wonder anyone ever manages to do anything with the serials module. 14:02 cait tsk 14:02 cait it's not so bad 14:02 jcamins Really? 14:02 druthb Really. *way* simpler than Symphony. 14:02 jcamins I just wanted to mark some missing issues as arrived. 14:03 druthb and it *works better* than Symphony, as scary as that may sound to you. 14:03 jcamins It turns out you do that on a page which is not linked to by the main serials page. 14:03 tcohen found it jcamins, marcelr 14:04 tcohen C4/Templates.pm:70 14:04 jcamins If you're viewing a subscription, it would seem you can't edit previously received issues without going through an extraneous, only nominally related page. 14:07 tcohen jcamins, what's the status of bug 6554 patches? are all of them pushed? 14:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 14:07 jcamins Yes. 14:08 tcohen that line is the one that messes with encodings 14:08 jcamins And I just updated the branches on git.k-c.org 14:09 cait jcamins: I think you want to use the serial collection link on the left from the subscription details 14:09 cait someone speaking french? 14:09 * cait would really like to find out some numbes about aix marseille and rennes... 14:09 tcohen we need to document where encoding and decoding should happen 14:10 tcohen because now I know what line messes with encodings, I cannot be sure removing it won't have other side effects! 14:10 jcamins cait: that link is on the receive page. 14:12 jcamins Hm. 14:12 jcamins 8896 does not appear to work. 14:12 cait bug 8896 14:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8896 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Passed QA , Delete serials no more missing from missinglist 14:15 cait hm 14:15 cait delete shouldn't show up 14:15 cait only missing 14:15 cait but... arg. no idea right now. 14:15 jcamins The title is misleading. 14:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7368' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8101d83af67f696fc12cc1830d9b51fd120ef6a4> / 7368 Typo in edithelp.pl warning <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f92532b52da70bea81babc1c02fdc8fc045024c> / Bug 7368: Typo in kohastructure.sql documentation line <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c134a3c5c325a26 14:16 jcamins But I'll troubleshoot it some other time. 14:20 tcohen jcamins, can i obsolete all attachments on 6554? 14:21 jcamins Yes, but any further work on that issue should be done on a new bug. 14:22 tcohen ok 14:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1141: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1141/ 14:25 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9894 - (3.12) de-serialize the 'hidden' value for subfields in frameworks 14:25 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 9894 - Followup: Add support for "flagged" values 14:25 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9894 - (3.12) Small followup 14:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9894: Add labels for checkboxes 14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks 14:25 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9737 - Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists 14:25 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9997 - Suspected typo in patron self registration code 14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists 14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9997 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Suspected typo in patron self registration code 14:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #5 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:26 tcohen bgkriegel: bug 10074 14:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10074 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Encoding problems in templates 14:26 magnuse success! \o/ 14:29 bgkriegel tcohen, good! You asked marcel? 14:29 tcohen he's gone right now 14:29 tcohen i asked him if we could document the whole data flow inside koha 14:30 tcohen to spot the places there encoding/decoding should occur 14:30 cait hpe you didn't expect anything else? 14:30 tcohen and make it rock solid 14:30 bgkriegel very well 14:30 tcohen but had no answer 14:30 bgkriegel :( 14:31 tcohen we'll do it anyway 14:31 tcohen no worries :-D 14:33 tcohen if i manage to get a 3-faced coin i'll use it to choose between Mojo, Catalyst and Dancer :-P 14:33 jcamins tcohen: 1d6/2? :P 14:34 tcohen i'm still amazed such an organized project has a source tree that doesn't look like an organized software project at all :-P 14:35 magnuse tcohen: i vote for dancer ;-) 14:35 jcamins tcohen: hehe. 14:35 magnuse we live in a world of @quote get 123 14:35 magnuse @quote get 123 14:35 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 14:35 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 14:36 magnuse tcohen: what will you use a framework for? koha? 14:36 bgkriegel tcohen: 10074 fixes ñ but warning about templates charset persist, HEAD~35 (from yesterday!) has no wornings 14:36 tcohen of course, koha is the only project i'm intrested in magnuse 14:37 magnuse w00t! so rewrite koha into a web publishing system? 14:38 magnuse that is a gargantuan task, for sure... 14:38 druthb jcamins could do it real, real fast. He's like that. 14:39 jcamins lol 14:39 jcamins Thanks. 14:39 druthb :P 14:41 magnuse s/web publishing system/web framework" 14:42 tcohen yes magnuse 14:42 wahanui rumour has it magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza 14:42 tcohen tcohen 14:42 tcohen hehe, i'm safe from wahanui 14:43 tcohen u don't know me wahanui 14:43 magnuse tcohen? 14:43 wahanui rumour has it tcohen is 120 14:43 tcohen oh 14:43 magnuse hah! 14:43 tcohen dingit 14:43 magnuse :-) 14:43 oleonard tcohen: You don't look a day over 95 14:44 tcohen heh 14:46 cait cait? 14:46 wahanui i guess cait is qam, not your secretary 14:46 cait kf? 14:46 cait hm 14:46 cait slides? 14:46 wahanui i think kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. 14:46 wahanui kf should be writing slides 14:47 cait ah, i lag. 14:48 jcamins Actually, that was wahanui lagging. 14:48 cait oh 14:48 cait i hate tunnels. 14:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @zackosborne: "My relationship with @kohails can only be likened to that of Ross & Rachel (and I'm the Rachel). They end up together in the end tho, right?" 14:50 oleonard ?? 14:51 cait friends 14:51 jcamins According to wikipedia, that's probably a reference to Friends. 14:51 cait and I am on a train 14:51 cait jcamins: you don#t know friends? 14:51 tcohen And he pretends to be president... 14:51 jcamins However, I lost interest in finding out what that meant before I got through the "Rachel -- Relationship with Ross" section. 14:51 cait heh 14:51 cait it's difficult 14:52 oleonard I understand the reference but I don't understand how Koha wronged @zackosborne 14:52 oleonard Koha thought it and @zackosborne was on a break and installed itself on someone else's server? 14:53 magnuse hehe 14:53 jcamins oleonard: my takeaway from what I read of that section was that probably @zackosborne never told Koha how much it meant to him, so Koha went and provided a superior to ILS to many other libraries instead. 14:53 tcohen bgkriegel: i get no warnings in my box... 14:54 bgkriegel ok, recheck 14:55 tcohen i think druthb is messing with you :-P 14:56 oleonard *sigh* Someone who has nothing better to do please fact-check this? http://opensource.com/education/13/4/open-source-project-lessons-koha 14:57 jcamins oleonard: yeah, it was an interesting article. 14:58 tcohen interesting article 14:59 cait train arriving soon bbl :) 14:59 tcohen bye cait, good luck 14:59 cait thx tcohen :) 15:00 cait and lol at oleonard++ and jcamins++ :) 15:00 bgkriegel tcohen, thats my output, clean new clone, http://mibpaste.com/KdqNPm 15:02 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.22.66.76 pasted "cd misc/translator/po rm es-ES" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/473 15:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #5: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/5/ 15:03 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10042 - Minor typo ("Communnity") in packages docs 15:03 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10008 - Serials search results 'Opened' tab should be 'Open' 15:03 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10002 - Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated 15:03 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10000 - Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip 15:03 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6554 Fix error caused by modifying $_ in a map 15:03 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Typo in kohastructure.sql documentation line 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10042 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Minor typo ("Communnity") in packages docs 15:03 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: 7368 Typo in edithelp.pl warning 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Serials search results 'Opened' tab should be 'Open' 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus 15:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #1142 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:05 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Join us for a webinar on how to integrate @NoveListRA in to #kohails http://t.co/XWsrDGKeEj" 15:07 tcohen bgkriegel: could you upload the po files you're using to es.koha-community.org? 15:09 * druthb grumbles. 'swhat I get for messing with the Pootle box at midnight. 15:09 reiveune bye 15:10 oleonard "The Pootle box at midnight" sounds like a mystery novel 15:11 druthb @quote add oleonard: "The Pootle box at midnight" sounds like a mystery novel 15:11 huginn druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 15:11 druthb @quote add oleonard: "The Pootle box at midnight" sounds like a mystery novel 15:11 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #241 added. 15:19 bgkriegel tcohen: never 15:20 bgkriegel i'm using po from git 15:20 bgkriegel to really translate I use pootle ones 15:25 cait-m_ wave 15:25 cait-m_ waiting for the bus 15:26 cait-m_ @wunder cologne 15:27 huginn cait-m_: Error: timed out 15:27 cait-m_ @wunder köln 15:27 huginn cait-m_: Error: No such location could be found. 15:27 * oleonard requests that everyone update their demos http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Databases 15:29 cait-m_ i support that request :-) 15:35 druthb yes. I tried to show someone something on *several* of the demos yesterday, and could not. 15:36 * druthb gives the ebil eyeball to her ex-employer. She then gives a less-ebil eyeball to magnuse, whose demo has almost no data in it. 15:36 cait-m_ we also have a demo list on the website 15:37 oleonard demos? 15:37 cait-m_ maybe consolidate? 15:37 * oleonard hoped wahanui had something to say about it 15:38 oleonard wahanui: demos are http://koha-community.org/demo/ or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Databases 15:38 wahanui OK, oleonard. 15:38 druthb oleonard++ 15:42 cait-m_ allergies-- 16:01 bgkriegel tcohen: done! es-ES-po.zip 16:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1142: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1142/ 16:10 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10042 - Minor typo ("Communnity") in packages docs 16:10 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10008 - Serials search results 'Opened' tab should be 'Open' 16:10 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10002 - Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated 16:10 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10000 - Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip 16:10 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6554 Fix error caused by modifying $_ in a map 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10042 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Minor typo ("Communnity") in packages docs 16:10 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Typo in kohastructure.sql documentation line 16:10 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: 7368 Typo in edithelp.pl warning 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Serials search results 'Opened' tab should be 'Open' 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus 16:11 oleonard Did we really intend for the patron to be able to submit a change to their home library from the OPAC? 16:11 oleonard We never allowed this before the patron self-registration feature 16:13 jcamins oleonard: probably not? 16:14 oleonard that's my guess 16:16 gmcharlt unless the original patch was thinking in terms of home library == just the preferred pickup library? 16:16 gmcharlt agreed that we don't want to let patrons change their home library willy-nilly, but preferred pickup library is a different matter 16:17 oleonard It makes sense for the new patron to be able to set a home library, but I'm not sure libraries would like that to be able to be changed after the fact? 16:17 oleonard I don't know. 16:17 oleonard I'm thinking we should simply exclude it from being able to be hidden by PatronSelfRegistrationBorrowerUnwantedField in the case of new registrations 16:18 oleonard That way the library can hide it from updates if they want to without it disappearing from the new registration form 16:20 gmcharlt oleonard: maybe morph it into two sysprefs -- uwanted (or better, wanted?) fields for new registrations vs. updates? 16:22 oleonard That makes a lot of sense (and would make the template rather complicated :P ) 16:24 oleonard ...not that it isn't already... 16:25 gmcharlt spitballing -- move some of the complexity into the script, then have the template just run a loop to display the form elements specified by the script 16:26 oleonard Hard to manage labels that way, but doable 16:28 gmcharlt more extreme spitballing -- move labels to a template does nothing but set template variables with the label text; easy enough to generate predictable names for the variables based on the database column names 16:28 gmcharlt bonus: make it easier to have fields be labelled consistently 16:30 jcamins gmcharlt: and then we'll be already to use Catalyst's form generator? 16:31 jcamins *all ready 16:31 gmcharlt presumably -- I like form generators (as long as one recognizes that sometimes one has to write a form manually in order to have better usability) 16:32 jcamins I actually do not like form generators, generally. 16:32 oleonard jcamins: Catalyst's form generator? 16:32 tcohen gmcharlt: how does it sound "Extend CGI to provide a param_utf8_decode method"? 16:32 jcamins oleonard: let me find an example. 16:32 jcamins oleonard: http://search.cpan.org/~nwiger/Catalyst-Plugin-FormBuilder-1.06/lib/Catalyst/Plugin/FormBuilder.pm 16:32 gmcharlt tcohen: sounds reasonable 16:33 oleonard Oh, I thought you meant Catalyst as in CatalystIT 16:33 jcamins Nope. 16:34 gmcharlt oleonard: "New Zealanders lovingly supplying hand-crafted web forms"? ;) 16:34 jcamins I just thought that gmcharlt's suggestion sounded like a move in that direction. 16:34 jcamins gmcharlt++ # I always import my web forms from NZ 16:35 gmcharlt jcamins: it is indeed; certainly at least as a way to helping to promote more consistency 16:35 oleonard "Sorry the web site is delayed because a storm hit our steam ship in the Pacific" 16:35 * gmcharlt realizes that if Koha were to adopt Catalyst, that would mean I'd have to juggle three different Catalysts in my mind 16:36 oleonard What's the other one? 16:36 wahanui the other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine. 16:36 jcamins The CatalystIT that does EG work. 16:37 jcamins tcohen: wouldn't it make more sense to just override ->param altogether? 16:37 gmcharlt wahanui: forget the other one 16:37 wahanui gmcharlt: I forgot other one 16:38 tcohen i'm not sure we are decoding everything we read from params jcamins 16:39 jcamins tcohen: it seems to me that anywhere that we are depending on _not_ getting valid UTF-8, there is a problem. 16:39 tcohen i'll change the method name and see if everything breaks 16:40 gmcharlt jcamins: MARC file uploads and patron imagess, you mean? 16:40 jcamins gmcharlt: if we use ->param() for those, I think we have bigger problems. 16:40 jcamins As I understand it, HTTP parameters are limited to fairly small strings. 16:41 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed, but just noting things to be checked during testing 16:41 jcamins Of course. 16:41 gmcharlt but note that params can come in via POST, and don't have to be small </pedantic> 16:42 jcamins And, of course, changing every single "use CGI" to "use Koha::CGI" at once would seem to be a recipe for disaster. 16:43 jcamins Even if the change causes no breakage. 16:43 * jcamins heads into the city 16:44 jcamins BTW, gmcharlt, I said that folks had until next Friday to test the encoding stuff, after which point I would revert bug 6554 from 3.12.x. 16:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 16:44 tcohen jcamins: bug 10072 16:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10072 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , "my suggestions" always says "There are no pending purchase suggestions." 16:44 tcohen nope 16:44 gmcharlt jcamins: gotcha -- I hope to have some concentrated cycles to look at it this weekend 16:44 tcohen bug 10074 16:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10074 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Encoding problems in templates 16:45 tcohen that patch fixes it 16:46 tcohen one of the patches removed the BOM from the template output 16:48 tcohen i revert it with the patch 16:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "Inscriptions au symposium #kohails qui se déroulera cette année à Limoges : http://t.co/oZcm7EUbV2" 16:54 tcohen hmm, its a lag or just silence? 16:58 * tcohen is scared, runs away just in case 16:58 chris_n @seen rangi 16:58 huginn chris_n: rangi was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 51 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <rangi> its a bit unrealistic to expect someone who doesnt know chinese to fix it 17:13 tcohen bgkriegel: it wasn't so simple to fix that encoding issues 17:14 tcohen there's a lot of other code that depends on that 17:17 bgkriegel ouch 17:17 bgkriegel can I help? 17:26 magnuse bgkriegel++ for volunteering 17:58 jcamins ie-- 18:03 rambutan >find / -name kf -print 18:04 jcamins She's on a bus, I think. 18:04 rambutan ah 18:04 rambutan find /bus -name kf -print 18:34 jatara did i hear someone was rewriting account management? 18:35 jcamins Kyle has threatened to try, yes. 18:35 tcohen jcamins, I understood the problem with 6554 18:36 jatara i would love to help if i can...i'm having a hard time with getting fine reports to run correctly 18:37 tcohen problems arise on libs/scripts that output templates using 'print' instead of setting the headers using output_with_http_headers 18:37 jcamins You can ask khall if there's anything you can do. 18:37 jcamins tcohen: ooh, that would explain it. 18:37 khall ? 18:37 jcamins We shouldn't be doing that anyway. 18:37 tcohen provided a patch for Auth.pm 18:37 jcamins khall: if there's anything jatara can do to help. 18:37 tcohen yes, I noted that on the patch 18:38 khall it's not a threat, it's a promise ; ) 18:38 jcamins khall: you say that now... ;) 18:39 khall heh! The only thing I'm suspicious of is the almost total absence of feedback for the RFC 18:39 oleonard khall: That's par for the course 18:39 jatara there's an rfc for the fix? 18:39 tcohen jcamins, have u seen 9735? 18:39 jcamins khall: feedback on RFCs is the exception for the rule. 18:39 jcamins bug 9735 18:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page 18:39 jcamins I have, yes. 18:40 khall I *really* don't want to complete the patch and get pounded with stuff. However, it's going to be feature complete, and a bit more even. 18:40 khall The big thing to me is we can have fines directly attached it issues, and payments directly attached to fines 18:41 khall none of this 'looking it up based on the description' business. That's how we got the fines doubling bug 18:42 maximep khall++ for the courage to do it =) 18:42 jatara and credits, too (please) 18:42 khall : ) 18:43 khall jatara, indeed! 18:50 jatara is there a way to currently run a report in Koha that returns that a list of borrowers who owe money? i'm not too sure the sample sql query in the reports library works well since it seems to pull from the amount in the "amount outstanding"column and not "total due" 18:54 jcamins jatara: amountoutstanding = amount currently owed 18:54 jcamins total due = amount billed 18:54 jcamins I think. 18:58 maximep hmmm I have a page called "cash register stats" that shows all fines/payments/etc. Pretty sure i'm going to share it soon 18:58 maximep but I have said that about budget stuff months ago 18:59 maximep on another note, would bug 10076 be a good idea in your opinions ? 18:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10076 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add Bcc syspref for claimacquisition and clamissues 19:12 jatara jcamins: should they be one and the same? 19:12 tcohen jcamins, is there a reason Auth.pm doesn't include Output.pm? 19:12 jcamins jatara: it depends if a fine has been paid. 19:12 tcohen (besides the fact that it shouldnt, of course :-P) 19:13 jcamins tcohen: there is. Since C4::Output depends on C4::Auth, you need to use require. 19:13 tcohen the docs make me think it was in the past, and has been removed 19:14 tcohen maybe for removing circular dependencies 19:14 jcamins Yup. 19:14 jatara people look at the "total due" field to determine if someone owes money...why wouldn't it reflect what's currently owed? 19:14 tcohen so, for 3.12, and the 6554 thing 19:15 tcohen do u prefer I patch it so it works, including C4::Output or not? 19:16 jcamins If you use "require" at the smallest possible context, I'm fine with judiciously re-cycling C4. 19:16 tcohen basically i have to patch every script that prints to STDOUT without using output_html_with_http_headers 19:16 jcamins The alternative is broken encodings. 19:16 tcohen the alternative is leaving the code as-is (print $query.... ) but encoding data first 19:17 tcohen take a look at bug 10074 19:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10074 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Encoding problems in templates 19:17 tcohen that patch implements the approach 19:17 tcohen otherwise, I use output_html_with_http_headers 19:17 jcamins Hm. 19:18 tcohen on InstallerAuth.pm i can, because it is included right now 19:18 jcamins Right. 19:18 tcohen (InstallerAuth.pm would have been easier to test with the language thing :-P) 19:19 tcohen so, which u prefer? 19:19 jcamins I think I would favor require C4::Output right where you are doing the encode + output_html_with_http_headers. 19:20 tcohen ok, I'll require C4::Output then 19:20 jcamins Really the actual printing should be moved to Koha::Output or something and not depend on anything other than CGI. 19:20 jcamins But that's not a short-term fix. 19:21 jcamins ie-- 19:21 tcohen ie? 19:21 wahanui it has been said that ie is down 28...keep 'em coming. 19:22 jcamins I'm using IE instead of a usable browser right now. 19:22 jcamins Even on IE9, :before and :after are just broken. 19:23 tcohen hmm, Output doesn't use Auth 19:23 jcamins Really? 19:23 jcamins Then I got confused. 19:24 jcamins Probably still a good idea to use require, since that makes the source of that function explicit. 19:25 amir hi 19:26 oleonard Hi amir 19:26 jatara hi amir 19:26 amir Can anyone guide me on how to customize the search results? 19:27 amir Would like the edition statement to appear to appear on the resuits 19:28 jcamins second question? 19:28 wahanui hmmm... second question is "What is the exact error message?" 19:28 jcamins No, that's not the one I wanted. 19:28 jcamins third question? 19:28 wahanui third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 19:28 jcamins That's my question. ^^ :) 19:29 amir sorry, running 3.06.10.000 19:30 jcamins Are you using MARC21 or UNIMARC? 19:30 amir marc21 19:30 jcamins Okay. 19:31 jcamins Unfortunately, there is no easy way -- that I know of -- to do it. 19:31 amir ok... 19:31 jcamins Wait, just kidding. 19:31 jcamins There's a very easy way to do it. 19:31 jcamins :) 19:31 jcamins Turn on the OPACResultsXSLT system preference. 19:31 amir doing that now 19:32 amir ok, not finding it in the system preferences search 19:33 jcamins I may have the name wrong. 19:33 jcamins It's something to do with OPAC, Results, and XSLT. 19:33 jcamins It's in the OPAC tab. 19:33 oleonard OPACXSLTResultsDisplay 19:33 jcamins That's the one. 19:33 jcamins We should simplify that. 19:34 amir found it 19:34 jcamins OPACResultsXSLT is much easier to remember. 19:34 tcohen grep -R "print \$query" * | grep -v -e redirect -e xml 19:36 amir wonderful, thanks a lot... 19:41 cait packages? 19:41 wahanui i guess packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 19:46 rambutan cait: I do hope you appreciate the reference in the comments. http://opensource.com/education/13/4/open-source-project-lessons-koha#comment-11985 19:46 cait oh? 19:47 rambutan cookies? 19:47 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 19:47 cait cookies? :) 19:48 cait where is wizzyrea when you need her? 19:48 cait wizzyrea wizzyrea wizzyrea 19:48 tcohen jcamins, do u remember places where "random encoding problems" were seen? 19:49 tcohen (you mentioned it in the morning) 19:49 jcamins tcohen: you found a problem in the installer and Karam reported problems with user names in titles. 19:49 tcohen i've found a pattern, which I saw only on installer/InstallAuth.pm and C4/Auth.pm 19:50 jcamins I use English almost exclusively, so I haven't particularly noticed problems. 19:50 tcohen there are to battle fronts: 19:50 tcohen - what comes from CGI parameters 19:50 tcohen - what we output 19:50 oleonard rambutan++ # I still can't bring myself to read the article though 19:50 tcohen the second one, is the one i've been tackling the las hour 19:51 cait me niether, no time right now 19:51 tcohen found that output_html_with_http_headers was working fine, and places where translations seemed broken 19:51 tcohen were those that did print directly 19:51 tcohen ; those are patched 19:52 tcohen what is not covered is UTF-8 input decoding 19:52 tcohen which is done on each place we find it is needed (hence the CGI->param overriding idea) 20:01 rambutan [off]ah, it wasn't bad. it just reflected an outsider's understanding. 20:02 jcamins [off] I don't know, I thought it was pretty bad. 20:02 rambutan [off]really, how so? 20:04 * tcohen turns verbose mode=off 20:04 jcamins [off] What jumped out at me was the way the author had to make do with second-hand information about the early history of Koha because the original developer wasn't around. 20:05 jcamins [off] And it was way too focused on making the split out into a problem so that s/he could sell his/her FOSS project governance services. 20:05 * druthb takes a poll…anyone think cait is gonna do a crummy preso tomorrow? 20:05 * jcamins does not. 20:05 oleonard Not me 20:05 rambutan what's a preso 20:05 rambutan ? 20:05 oleonard ...especially if she uses my LOLcats idea. 20:05 druthb presentation. 20:05 rambutan ah, got it 20:06 druthb Hearing no yays, the motion is quashed. 20:07 gp5st where does this system preferences table get generated? 20:07 jcamins oleonard: Myshkin was a vital part of druthb's presentation on something Koha-related at some point. 20:07 jcamins gp5st: what do you mean? 20:07 druthb I'm thinking if cait goes to KohaCon, I'd better not. She's gonna kick my butt. 20:07 cait ? 20:07 tcohen why such violence cait? 20:08 gp5st jcamins: hello. I'm having trouble setting up a koha instance using an old database. I had a 3.0 db. I imported it into mysql, then ran koha-update-to-3.4 and it said it updated it to 3.8.11 but when I navigate to the website I get a maintence page and a lot of logs complaining about a missing system_preferences table(I uses koha-upgrade-schema, koha-create and koha-enable after i had the db upgraded) 20:08 druthb I'm mean to her. 20:08 jcamins gp5st: you need to run koha-upgrade-schema 20:08 gp5st sorry, the inet here is so crappy i don't even know if that got through before 20:08 jcamins Both of them. 20:08 gp5st jcamins: i had done that 20:08 jcamins (i.e. koha-update-to-3.4 and koha-upgrade-schema) 20:08 gp5st i did that 20:09 gp5st see the end of the post 20:09 jcamins Hm. 20:09 jcamins So koha-upgrade-schema you ran *after* loading the database? 20:09 jcamins And the database was workking on your 3.0 installation? 20:09 * tcohen runs for his thursday tennis match 20:09 gp5st fwiw it gives a metric ton of warmings, most of which are: Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 5282, <FILE> chunk 69. 20:09 gp5st Upgrade to 3.08.06.000 (3.8.6 release) done 20:10 gp5st jcamins: yes, the 3.0 system was all working 20:10 druthb oleonard, jcamins: http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IRC-Lightning-KUDOSCon11.pdf 20:10 jcamins Okay. 20:10 jcamins I think your 3.0 data was loaded into the wrong database. 20:10 gp5st i rand upgrade-to-3.4 then upgrade-scheme, then created and enabled the library 20:10 jcamins When you ran koha-create you probably wiped your data. 20:10 gp5st jcamins: no, it's the same one identified in the site config for this koha install 20:11 gp5st hmm 20:11 jcamins The first step is koha-create, then you load the data, then you run the upgrade scripts. 20:11 jcamins Because those errors are what you'd get if you had an empty database. 20:11 gp5st ah. well let me try this again 20:11 jcamins Or, I suppose, an incomplete backup. 20:11 gp5st if it wiped my db though, why didn't it put in the tables it needs? 20:12 jcamins Because koha-create does not install any data. 20:12 jcamins You have to go through the web installer. 20:12 jcamins By design. 20:12 gp5st when i did create, i used the --use-db param, though 20:12 jcamins You have to make more choices than could reasonably be stuck on a command line. 20:12 jcamins koha-upgrade-schema only works with an existing instance. 20:13 gp5st yes, you're right, i have the order backwards 20:13 gp5st i trued to upgrade, but it required an instance 20:13 * jcamins will have to leave this for someone else to troubleshoot, as he's leaving shortly, though. 20:13 gp5st maybe i should just leave and come back and do this when the day doesn't suck so much and i don't have terrible sinus pressure 20:13 gp5st thanks jcamins 20:15 gp5st oh, hmm, the sqldump specifies the db name inside it, that's no good and probably the root of a lot of this 20:15 oleonard Bye #koha 20:17 bag afternoon all :) 20:17 druthb hi, bag! 20:17 bag heya druthb 20:26 cait packages? 20:26 wahanui i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 20:31 gp5st1 ok well, it's taking much longer to do the schema update this time. lots of "Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2966." warnings as well 20:37 gp5st ok well, it's taking much longer to do the schema update this time. lots of "Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2966." warnings as well 20:38 gp5st how long should the upgrade process take? 20:38 gp5st koha-upgrade-to-3.4 i mean 20:39 cait depends on yourcollection size I would think 20:43 Guest2684 hi, sorry the beetlegeuse trick didn't work 20:44 wizzyrea1 let's try that again 20:50 wizzyrea so hi, cait, did you need something? 20:51 cait um 20:51 wizzyrea you invoked me 3x earlier :) 20:51 cait yeah, I wanted to ask you to help me find some numbers about the size of your former employer 20:52 cait *hide* 20:52 tcohen ? 20:52 wizzyrea oh - when I left, there were ~800k items, ~25k borrowers, ~500k bibs 20:52 wizzyrea and 42 libraries 20:52 wizzyrea they just added on a school system though 20:52 wizzyrea which was a good 5 or 6 more. 20:53 cait <3 20:53 cait so ca. 50? :P 20:53 wizzyrea (possibly more than that actually) 20:53 cait but 40 sounds nice already 20:53 bag nope wizzyrea you're correct 20:53 bag less than 50 more than 40 :D 20:54 cait oh hi bag :) 20:54 bag they were just added last weekend 20:54 wizzyrea haha, on nexpresslibrary.or 20:54 bag hi cait 20:54 wizzyrea org, they say "850k items" 20:54 cait can I ask you - what's your bywaters biggest library? :) 20:54 cait wizzyrea: where? I searched the internets all over 20:54 bag define "biggest" 20:55 wizzyrea in the first post, the training one, it says "Welcome and enjoy access to 850,000 items, including books, movies, videogames, audiobooks and cake pans." 20:55 cait where do you point if someone tells you koha only works for small libraries :) 20:55 cait i should not forget to mention the cake pans 20:56 bag oh.. cait well NEKLS, Masscat, Renoe(washoe county) is high circ, Trillium is the most unique - it's like 48 or so school libraries all on the same server but different databases, 20:56 wizzyrea they used to put it on the home page when they added new libraries 20:56 cait and exra points for big academic 20:56 bag there are more… 20:57 wizzyrea oh well rangi has a slide for that 20:57 cait yep I know - just really hard to find numbers 20:57 bag oh big academic… yeah rangi has a great slide for that 20:57 wizzyrea i'll find it for you one sec 20:57 wizzyrea http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/intro_pres/#pops 20:57 cait wizzyrea: I got it I think - the one with the green and red 20:57 wizzyrea yep 21:00 cait bag: the oclc thing koha can do - that was oclc connexion client? :) 21:00 bag yes 21:00 cait thx 21:00 rangi cait you want the numbers? 21:00 * cait sends cookies to everyone 21:00 bag you can use the desktop client or the webclient to export to batches in koha or directly into koha 21:01 kathryn oh this is a handy convo to eavesdrop on :) morning all :) 21:02 rangi cait: aix marseille 71,000, San Andres 65000, Paris 8 57190, Adis Ababa 43000 21:04 cait hi kathryn :) 21:04 cait bag: do the web client and desktop client have specific namesor something? 21:04 cait i just want to name it right if that is possible 21:05 wizzyrea Connexion Client 21:05 wizzyrea I think 21:05 wizzyrea or OCLC Connexion 21:05 cait and how does it work? do I have to click somehting to start it? 21:05 bag I know them as connexion (web or desktop) client 21:05 cait or does it do it when i save a record or something? 21:05 wizzyrea ping trea 21:05 trea go ahead 21:05 wizzyrea there's a server side bit 21:05 wizzyrea for connexion 21:05 trea correct. Ruth wrote a script that daemonizes a gateway on the server 21:05 bag yeah trea is the deafulted connexion guy here :P poor trea 21:05 bag trea++ 21:06 wizzyrea you give it your credentials and it talks straight to oclc or somesuch 21:06 wizzyrea i've never seen the interface for it 21:06 trea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/oclcappendix.html 21:06 wizzyrea oooo trea++ 21:07 trea you'll have to specify a default user to have the gateway use, if they don't specify their own credentials 21:07 trea i just use this for installs. it seems to work well enough 21:08 bag trea++ thanks man :) 21:09 trea you'll also need to be aware that there was a bug introduced here depending on what version of koha you're using - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9908 21:09 huginn 04Bug 9908: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , OCLC Connexion Desktop Client Doesn't Work 21:09 trea it's a one line typo, but it still breaks it 21:10 wizzyrea but it's fixed in master :) 21:12 cait trea++ wizzyrea++ bag++ kathryn++ rangi++ and jcamins++ 21:12 cait phew 21:12 wizzyrea hehe 21:12 trea :D 21:13 cait who do we tell about typos in the manual? *hides 21:13 rangi cait: you send patches of course :) 21:13 cait lol should have known :) 21:13 wizzyrea I think you can file a documentation bug 21:13 wizzyrea and attach patches there 21:14 wizzyrea I think that works. 21:14 wizzyrea at least, it should work. 21:16 cait i just read the instructions :) does someone know what you have to do in the connexion client? 21:16 cait it says "with one click" 21:16 trea sure. there are setup instructions. one second 21:17 pastebot "trea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "OCLC Connextion Client Setup Instructions" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/476 21:17 trea i'm surprised this isn't in the docs. 21:18 trea it should be. 21:19 wizzyrea be rangi 21:19 wahanui There's a bug for that 21:19 wizzyrea be rangi 21:19 wahanui Send a patch! 21:19 wizzyrea there we go 21:27 cait lol :) 21:28 cait learning lots tonight, thank you all :) 21:28 huginn Oh no, not this fool again 21:28 trea lol! 21:28 bag ha 21:29 wizzyrea omg. 21:29 bag that's pretty brilliant 21:29 tcohen heh 21:30 huginn GERMS!!!! 21:30 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 21:30 * cait giggles 21:30 cait can we talk about ldap next? :P 21:30 trea you know you wanna go, where all the bots know your name. 21:30 bag sure 21:30 * wizzyrea giggles 21:30 trea anyways, go ahead 21:30 bag :D 21:35 cait so that ldap thing... :) 21:35 cait there seems to be different ways to use it 21:35 cait I think you can tell it to replicate data on login into koha or not do that? 21:36 rangi yes 21:37 cait and there are different ways how you can connect it to your ldap it seems 21:37 cait like 3 different? 21:37 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.org/C4/Auth_with_ldap.html#KOHA_CONF_and_field_mapping 21:38 cait rangi++ < hero 21:38 wizzyrea rangi++ (because I agree with cait) 21:39 bag wait ranig is less than a hero? 21:39 bag sorry rangi is less than a hero? Or am I reading that wrong? 21:39 wizzyrea I think it's more of an arrow 21:40 wizzyrea rangi <--- hero 21:40 bag ahhh 21:40 bag heh :P 21:40 cait arrow! 21:50 cait brb :) 21:51 sammy Hello, good day to you all 21:51 sammy Please I need help with my KOHA installation 21:52 wizzyrea we can try to help 21:52 wizzyrea go ahead :) 21:52 Guest2748 thanks 21:52 Guest2748 The problem is with the zebra server 21:52 Guest2748 I cannot get it to work 21:53 wizzyrea searching faq? 21:53 wahanui searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 21:53 wizzyrea you'll have to scroll down to the bottom 21:53 Guest2748 Yes, I have searched and eaven google so many records but yet I have not succeeded in making it work 21:54 Guest2748 I have tried that but yet no success 21:54 Guest2748 the zebra server is not running 21:55 rangi what version of koha, how did you install it, and what OS ? 21:55 Guest2748 3.10, I installed using the debian package 21:56 Guest2748 debian squeeze 21:56 wahanui rumour has it debian squeeze is recommended for koha 21:56 rangi so apt-get install koha-common ? 21:57 rangi debian? 21:57 wahanui somebody said debian was what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 21:57 rangi packages 21:57 wahanui it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 21:57 rangi following those instructions exactly ? 21:57 Guest2748 yes, 21:58 rangi cos then zebra will just work, you shouldnt have to do anything and that faq, plus most googles are to do with tarball or git installs so are not right 21:58 rangi so what is the exact error you are getting when you start zebra? 21:58 rangi sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart 21:58 Guest2748 that's why I dont know what the problem is 21:58 Guest2748 ok, let me try the command, thanks 21:58 rangi we wont know either unless you can paste in the exact error :-) 21:59 Guest2748 I ran the command, I got thismessage: Restarting Koha ILS: daemonexecutablenameStopping Zebra server for koha daemon: fatal: failed to stop the koha-koha-zebra daemon: No such process Starting Zebra server for koha 22:00 rangi ps axf | grep "zebrasrv" 22:00 rangi what output does that give you 22:01 Guest2748 this is the result: 7732 pts/0 S+ 0:00 \_ grep zebrasrv 22:02 rangi right so its not running still, are you sure nothing went wrong when you installed the packages? 22:03 Guest2748 Everything was fine, though I am not an expert, 22:03 rangi and everything else is working, its just zebra not? 22:04 Guest2748 yes, everything else is working 22:06 rangi is there anything in /var/log/koha/instancename/zebra-error.log ? 22:06 rangi (swap instancename for the name you picked when doing koha-create) 22:07 NateC crashed 22:07 Guest2748 root@sam2:~# cat /var/log/koha/instancename/zebra-error.log cat: /var/log/koha/instancename/zebra-error.log: No such file or directory 22:07 Guest2748 sorry 22:08 Guest2748 root@sam2:~# cat /var/log/koha/koha/zebra-error.log cat: /var/log/koha/koha/zebra-error.log: No such file or directory 22:09 rangi what is in /var/log/koha/koha ? 22:11 Guest2748 root@sam2:~# ls -l /var/log/koha/koha ls: cannot access /var/log/koha/koha: No such file or directory 22:11 rangi are you sure you called your instance koha ? 22:12 Guest2748 yes 22:13 wizzyrea what is in /var/log/koha? 22:13 Guest2748 root@sam2:~# ls -l /var/log/koha total 22588 -rw-r--r-- 1 koha root 903884 Apr 18 23:14 koha-error_log -rw-r--r-- 1 koha root 22186500 Apr 18 16:27 koha-opac-error_log -rw-r--r-- 1 koha koha 17 Jan 22 16:11 README 22:16 cait @wunder cologne, germany 22:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Koeln / Bonn, Germany is 10.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on April 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 22:18 rangi i suspect that is the problem 22:18 rangi try making an instance called something else 22:18 Guest2748 ok, so you suggest a re-installation? 22:19 rangi no 22:19 rangi just do a 22:19 rangi sudo koha-create somethingelse 22:20 Guest2748 ok please let me continue to follow you as you guide, I will do this now 22:20 rangi but i suspect it being called koha has meant the directories didn't get made properly 22:20 rangi sudo koha-create --create-db somethingbutnotkoha 22:20 Guest2748 I will use efcclib, is this oksy 22:20 rangi yep 22:20 Guest2748 ok, let me start now 22:20 rangi then just work through the web isntaller etc 22:22 Guest2748 root@sam2:~# sudo koha-create efcclib Usage: /usr/sbin/koha-create [--create-db|--request-db|--populate-db|--use-db] [--marcflavor marc21|normarc|unimarc] [--zebralang en|nb|fr] [--defaultsql /path/to/some.sql] [--configfile /path/to/config] [--passwdfile /path/to/passwd] [--database database] [--adminuser n] instancename 22:22 rangi sudo koha-create --create-db efcclib 22:22 Guest2748 ok, thanks 22:23 Guest2748 root@sam2:~# sudo koha-create --create-db efcclib User efcclib-koha already exists. 22:24 rangi sudo koha-remove efcclib 22:24 rangi then try again 22:24 Guest2748 ok, thanks 22:25 Guest2748 root@sam2:~# sudo koha-remove efcclib Koha configuration directory for instance "efcclib" does not exist, please specify a valid Koha instance 22:26 rangi hmm at this point it might be better to start again clean, do exactly what you did last time 22:26 rangi and but do not call the instance koha :) 22:26 Guest2748 That is to re-install or create another instance, like efccacad 22:27 rangi lets try just another instance first to check that it works ok, if it does, you might wnat to start over so you have a nice clean one 22:28 Guest2748 ok, let me try another instance efccacad 22:28 rangi ok 22:28 Guest2748 root@sam2:~# sudo koha-create --create-db efccacad ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) 22:29 rangi weird, i dont know how you managed to create the first instance then? 22:31 eythian hi 22:31 wahanui hola, eythian 22:31 Guest2748 OK, do I start everything all over again, so I can install once again following the steps in the url you gave earlier? 22:32 rangi that might be the best idea 22:32 Guest2748 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 22:32 Guest2748 so how do I uninstall the current installation? 22:35 rangi do you have anything else on that server? 22:35 Guest2748 yes 22:36 rangi sudo apt-get purge koha-common 22:36 Guest2748 I installed DSPACE too which is working perfectly 22:36 Guest2748 Please I will need you to guide me as I do this... do I start now? 22:37 rangi im sorry I have to get back to my job now 22:37 Guest2748 ok, thanks for your help 22:37 Guest2748 I hope someone else will continue from where you stop 23:07 grimgables greetings and salutations! two weeks ago i started working a small library that uses KOHA so i'm just checking out the chat :) 23:08 Irma welcome grimgables 23:08 grimgables thanks Irma 23:11 Irma chat with you grimgables another time ... I have an appointment to go to. Have a good day! 23:58 wizzyrea oh drats I always like talking with new users 23:59 bag hi there 23:59 bag I can pretend :P