Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook Looks intriguing 00:02 jcamins I have been foiled by the time, so I'm making wasabi-ginger chocolate chip cookies instead. 00:03 dcook Sounds even more intriguing 00:04 dcook Although I can't say I'm much of a wasabi/horseradish fan 00:06 jcamins They're delicious. 00:22 * wizzyrea waves 00:23 dcook hey ya wizzyrea 01:31 dcook Has anyone had problems with local cover images not appearing in the staff client? 01:31 dcook The OPAC is looking good but they're not appearing at all in the staff client, even with LocalCoverImages syspref turned on 01:33 jcamins dcook: it's not really a problem. 01:33 jcamins It was never implemented at all. 01:33 dcook O_o 01:33 dcook I had a feeling that might be the case, but then why the LocalCoverImages syspref? 01:33 dcook It seems like there might be some code in a few places too 01:34 jcamins For the tab. 01:34 wizzyrea you can see them in the staff client, they're just not in the spot where you expect them. 01:35 dcook "local cover images on intranet search and details pages." 01:35 dcook Perhaps instead it should say "in the images tab on the details page" 01:35 wizzyrea probably should 01:35 jcamins Sure. 01:36 dcook Or someone implements them for the search results and up in the corner for the detail page :p 01:36 jcamins Well, that's not going to be me. 01:36 jcamins I donated way more time to that feature than it was worth. 01:36 dcook Not saying it should be, jcamins ;) 01:36 dcook Sorry to hear that too 02:16 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:17 dcook allo mtompset 02:18 mtompset Thought I would come here and ask what people's opinion about three install.ubuntu type files are, and what sort of instructions should be in a single one? 02:19 dcook I'm not sure I follow 02:19 dcook But I'm intrigued 02:20 mtompset in a git clone, (or a tar.gz) of koha, there are three ubuntu installation instruction files: INSTALL.ubuntu, INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04, and INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid 02:20 dcook My "To Do" list still has "set up Koha" on Debian (and maybe Ubuntu) at home, so the better the install instructions I use...the better I can comment and suggest revisions :) 02:22 mtompset It would seem that INSTALL.ubuntu is for Jaunty?! 02:23 mtompset If you do ubuntu, I would recommend http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 02:24 mtompset The Determine IP Address step is confusing for the utter novice, but it should be clear enough for someone trying to jump from the package install to a web install steps. 02:24 mtompset Assuming they have some networking and system administration background. 02:24 dcook Which they might not 02:24 mtompset There in is the problem. 02:25 dcook My networking/sys admin background is...a bit of what I've picked up here at work...and from the last web server that I set up at home in 2011 02:25 dcook I can research like a champ though ;) 02:25 dcook But it's not about me 02:25 dcook Hmm 02:25 dcook I have this dream of being able to hand some instructions to librarians I know so that they can set up Koha 02:26 dcook But if you have fool proof instructions, you also don't learn how to do anything but follow instructions 02:26 dcook So when it doesn't work according to plan, you're still hooped 02:26 dcook But, at least you will have it installed.. 02:26 mtompset That's the problem. 02:26 mtompset There are multiple ways to configure apache2. 02:26 mtompset So which way do you write instructions for? 02:27 mtompset The default packages work best with the named host method. 02:27 * dcook shrugs 02:27 mtompset The problem becomes getting them to have the apache2 server accessible from the machine that they want it accessible from. 02:27 mtompset Is that the same terminal running desktop ubuntu? 02:28 dcook For anyone wanting to run a prod machine, for sure 02:28 mtompset Is it a different terminal, and then they need to set up DNS stuff? 02:28 dcook I suppose that's why support companies exist, eh? 02:28 dcook Lots of variables 02:29 mtompset It's that tumultuous mess that makes writing the perfect set of instructions impossible. 02:29 dcook Mhm 02:30 mtompset The problem also becomes when some librarian at some university (for example) wants to try out Koha, but they can't get library.university.edu to work, because their IT department is incharge of the DNS set up. 02:30 mtompset And their IT department doesn't want to set it up, because it is for testing purposes. 02:31 mtompset I wrote the wiki instructions with the mindset of a desktop ubuntu terminal running it as library.framisdooby.org and library-intra.framisdooby.org 02:32 mtompset (or server, assuming you can figure out how to navigate lynx) 02:33 dcook In that case, since it's for testing purposes...can't they run it by just using the local IP address? 02:34 mtompset not using named hosts. 02:34 dcook O_o 02:34 * wizzyrea would suggest adding the names to the local hosts file in that case 02:34 dcook Mmm 02:34 wizzyrea to bypass DNS 02:34 dcook Good one 02:34 mtompset That's exactly what the instructions do. 02:35 dcook I suppose the problem is when the librarian doesn't realize it is just running locally? 02:35 mtompset That too. 02:35 wizzyrea technically, you could put the entry in any machine's hosts file 02:35 wizzyrea if you can't sort DNS 02:35 mtompset Right, and if the IP addresses are on the same subnet, it should work. 02:35 wizzyrea is a problem if you want it for public 02:35 wizzyrea of course 02:36 eythian but in that case, someone _must_ set up DNS 02:36 eythian there is no real other option 02:36 wizzyrea or the server is public 02:37 wizzyrea you can do hosts for a server with a public IP, it's just exceedingly not optimal 02:37 mtompset Which is also why the instructions say to talk to the system, network administrators. 02:37 wahanui okay, mtompset. 02:37 mtompset forget which 02:37 wahanui mtompset: I forgot which 02:37 eythian I don't consider IP address access on a public server to be an option :) 02:38 mtompset It's a really bizarre one, so it isn't normal. 02:39 mtompset But you can't rule out the strangeness that people will attempt. 02:39 wizzyrea if it can be done, people will try to do it 02:40 eythian yeah, but they shouldn't do that. If they can't work out DNS, they shouldn't be making a public server. They should be finding someone to help them with it. 02:40 mtompset While I see other people here, am I correct to assume that subfields are character and not numeric (ie. eq not ==)? 02:40 dcook Maybe they don't want to use DNS? 02:40 dcook Maybe they're super underground ;) 02:40 eythian dcook: in that case they should set up a .onion address :) 02:40 wizzyrea people do strange things when they are testing. 02:40 wizzyrea people do strange things. 02:40 dcook Touché, eythian 02:41 mtompset -- While I see other people here, am I correct to assume that subfields are character and not numeric (ie. eq not ==)? 02:41 dcook Subfields? 02:41 jcamins Correct. 02:41 mtompset Then I have found a bug. :) 02:41 mtompset Not to figure out how to test it. ARG! 02:42 mtompset Now to figure out how to test it. ARG! 02:42 mtompset And spell better. :) 02:42 eythian mtompset: yeah, subfields are usually characters actually. 02:43 mtompset well, it seemed weird to me that blinddetail-biblio-search.pl has a == instead of eq 02:43 mtompset And I was getting an error log entry. 02:46 dcook Never even heard of that script 02:46 dcook Learn something new every day.. 02:50 eythian jcamins: 773$w of the child should contain the value in 001 of the parent, yeah? 02:51 eythian and something stuff to the leader 02:51 jcamins eythian: yes. 02:51 eythian ta 02:52 wizzyrea ^ speaking of learning new things 02:52 dcook Hmm 02:52 dcook That's interesting... 02:53 dcook It would not be nice to update a 001 for the parent and not the child $w... 02:54 eythian I don't think you're supposed to update the 001 anyway 02:56 jcamins Except for when you are merging records. 02:56 jcamins Or creating a new record. 02:57 dcook How about if you wan to start distributing your records? 02:57 dcook And you haven't had an official control number before that? 02:58 dcook I suppose control numbers might not be official? 02:58 dcook But 003s are.. 02:58 dcook Ack 02:58 eythian you can put who created them in 003 02:58 dcook Right 02:58 dcook But there are invalid and valid identifiers for 003 02:59 dcook But now that I think about it...001 should always be internal.. 03:00 dcook "For interchange purposes, documentation of the structure of the control number and input conventions should be provided to exchange partners by the organization initiating the interchange." 03:01 dcook Which goes back to what you guys were saying 03:01 dcook There's no reason to change a 001 03:01 mtompset Okay. Forgive me, I am not a librarian. Can someone explain authorities to me? :) 03:01 eythian authorities are templates for parts of biblio records. 03:02 mtompset Okay, so let's say I have biblio records with 700$a's and 100$a's filled in. 03:02 mtompset I search the authorities. No results. 03:02 eythian They prevent you having "Will. M Shakespaar" and "Willy S." and "William Shakespeare" all meaning one person. 03:02 mtompset I know I have some authorities, because I watched a full zebra reindex. 03:03 eythian Hmm. how are you searching them? 03:03 mtompset Is there a quick and easy way to populate missing authorities? 03:04 eythian Not that I know of, but I don't deal with them all that much. 03:04 mtompset home -> cataloging -> search catalog -> the -> choose something to Edit Record -> 1 or 7 tab -> tag editor -> search? 03:04 jcamins There is not, no. 03:04 jcamins Not even a hard and slow way, really. 03:04 jcamins Other than "create each one by hand." 03:04 mtompset That sounds like a potentially useful tool to write then? 03:05 mtompset build a list, get the user to confirm them, fill them in. 03:05 jcamins It'd be very useful. 03:05 dcook Hmm 03:05 jcamins And link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is almost certainly not the right tool for the job. 03:06 jcamins Just so we're clear. 03:06 dcook jcamins++ 03:06 eythian I've made them from CSVs before. 03:06 * dcook tries to remember the conversation that jcamins, dcook, eythian, et al had a while back 03:06 dcook Right 03:06 jcamins I use CSVs, when I have to generate them. 03:07 dcook You can extract your existing subjects, authors, etc from your DB 03:07 dcook Output as CSV, csvtomarc.pl them, import, then link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 03:07 jcamins But I use authorities for actual authoritative data. 03:07 dcook Although then you still have authority work to do as a librarian 03:07 dcook As you should :) 03:08 jcamins Well, yeah. 03:08 dcook hehe 03:08 jcamins I guess that is kind of the point. 03:08 mtompset Okay, just looked at link_bibs_to_authorities.pl -- what's wrong with it? Other than it seems a little too automatic. 03:08 bgkriegel I used frederic demians script, koha-auth, to extract auth data and to link 03:08 jcamins It is for linking existing bibs to existing authorities. 03:08 jcamins Only. 03:08 jcamins That's it. 03:09 jcamins It generates authorities in some circumstances but only as a side effect of it doing its job. 03:09 dcook O_o 03:09 dcook That's... 03:09 dcook what? 03:10 mtompset if the bibs don't exist, how can you have an authority record? 03:10 jcamins Easily. 03:10 jcamins You get the authorities from an authority. 03:11 mtompset Okay, but why would you want an authority for a bib or bibs that you don't have in your collection? 03:11 jcamins dcook: it generates authorities only if you tell it -- basically -- "I think I have all the authorities, and if not, I'd like the gaps filled in." 03:11 mtompset bgkriegel: where is the koha-auth script? 03:12 bgkriegel cpan 03:12 bgkriegel http://search.cpan.org/dist/Koha-Contrib-Tamil/ 03:12 jcamins Personally, I think generating any authorities with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is a bad idea that can only end in pain. 03:12 mtompset Because you'll have to re-edit them to correct mistakes? 03:13 mtompset (which is just as painful and entering one at a time?) 03:13 jcamins And because you'll end up with duplicates. 03:13 jcamins Much more painful. 03:13 mtompset Oh, that would be more painful. 03:13 bgkriegel It's not perfect, but a starting point. Mainly for librarians that never used authorities 03:14 dcook True 03:14 jcamins ... but if your librarians don't use authorities, you should be asking yourself if they need authorities at all. 03:14 dcook But...it makes me think if they haven't used authorities...maybe they shouldn't use them 03:14 dcook Mhm 03:14 dcook Exactly 03:14 jcamins Librarians will demand authorities if they need them, most of the time. 03:15 jcamins CS people rarely understand why/when they are necessary, in my experience. 03:15 dcook I've had career cataloguers mention that is where a lot of the "librarian" work comes in as well. They have lib techs do a lot of the data entry and they do the authority policing as it were 03:16 eythian jcamins: presumably only the CS people who haven't had to deal with the data that users type into computers, right? 03:16 dcook If they want a simple way of just choosing "authoritative" spellings, it might make more sense to just use an authorized_value list 03:16 eythian if it's a short list, yeah 03:17 dcook Yeah, it does get more problematic when you have a longer list 03:17 tweetbot [off] twitter: @vanzijlp: "@kohails has Koha got a mobile app" 03:17 dcook But then you also need a librarian who is willing to look after the authorities, especially if they aren't actually authoritative authorities 03:17 mtompset CS people? 03:17 jcamins eythian: actually, my experience has been that the more expert a CS person is, the more they think that authorities are unnecessary. 03:18 jcamins (with the exception of people who actually work in libraries, of course, who eventually realize that authority records in fact _do_ do more than simply add overhead) 03:19 mtompset But aren't authorities a sort of index of information unto themselves? 03:19 eythian jcamins: hmm, I just hold the opinion that people are terrible and need to be protected from themselves as much as feasible. That naturally follows on to things like authority records. 03:19 jcamins eythian: I agree completely. 03:20 mtompset What did you mean by CS people, jcamins? 03:20 eythian mtompset: computer science 03:21 jcamins I had in mind the people who are experts in database theory. 03:21 mtompset just wanted to make sure I didn't assume incorrectly. :) 03:22 dcook mtompset: As you can see, there's a lot to authorities ;) 03:23 dcook Really, if there isn't a librarian to look after them, I would highly suggest not using them 03:23 jcamins You can recognize the type of person I have in mind because they say things like "it's just a foreign key, why do you need an entire MARC record"? 03:23 * dcook twitches 03:23 * dcook had a feelings that's what jcamins meant 03:23 mtompset It seems like it is a sort of what level of normalization is required problem, and the Librarians and CS folks don't quite see eye to eye, because the CS folks don't have all the facts about how authorities are used? 03:23 eythian well, also library data tends to be used differently to a regular database of data 03:24 eythian in that a MARC record is a self-contained thing that may travel 03:24 eythian and so needs to carry all its context with it 03:24 jcamins Have horror, will travel. :) 03:24 eythian quite :) 03:24 mtompset also, wouldn't it be handy to have a trail of where the data came from? 03:24 dcook hehe 03:24 eythian mtompset: it sorta does have that 03:24 wizzyrea mtompset: it does, sorta 03:24 wizzyrea ha 03:24 dcook That's partially where the 001/003 come in 03:25 eythian jcamins: unrelated, but have I told you that I've established a canonical source for csvtomarc? 03:25 eythian mtompset: also 040$a 03:25 jcamins eythian: you had not. 03:25 dcook Sometimes also the 035 03:25 mtompset Isn't that the point of storing the whole MARC record? 03:25 dcook 016 too I think 03:25 dcook and 010 03:25 eythian I might mean 035 instead of 040 03:25 jcamins eythian: actually, you mean both. 03:25 dcook yep 03:26 dcook You can see a 040 with a huge string of subfields 03:26 dcook It's kind of neat sometimes 03:26 eythian https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/ <-- jcamins. I've been cleaning it out a bit, and adding my stuff to it, along with actual migration scripts to act as examples. 03:26 dcook Apparently 040 also relates to 008/39 03:26 dcook MARC certainly has its issues... 03:27 eythian wahanui: marc 03:27 wahanui The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. 03:27 eythian wahanui: marc 03:27 wahanui http://marc-must-die.info 03:27 jcamins dcook: bwahaha! It's a FRBR joke! 03:28 jcamins eythian: nice! 03:28 jcamins I should submit a pull request against that. 03:28 eythian by all means 03:28 jcamins It has been added to my to-do list. 03:28 jcamins Probably won't happen until after May 22. 03:28 dcook Oh FRBR... 03:28 eythian no problem 03:29 dcook I like the abstract idea of WEMI, but... 03:29 bgkriegel bye all 03:29 dcook ta bgkriegel 03:29 * jcamins dislikes WEMI altogether. 03:30 dcook mtompset: Authorities become really important when you're trying to differentiate between a hundred different John Smiths 03:30 jcamins If you're interested in talking about work/edition/issue/state, that's what you should talk about. 03:30 dcook And correctly linking/attributing the right author to the right work 03:30 mtompset True enough, dcook. 03:30 dcook work/edition/issue/state 03:30 jcamins And if that's not your goal, Expression and Manifestation should be combined. 03:30 jcamins dcook: no, you had it right. 03:31 jcamins It's Work/Expression/Manifestation/Item. 03:31 dcook Yeah, I know 03:31 dcook I'm intrigued by this other idea 03:31 jcamins I disagree with FRBR on principle. 03:31 jcamins Ah! 03:31 dcook Yeah, maybe expression and manifestation could be combined 03:31 jcamins My favorite subject! 03:31 jcamins Bibliography! 03:31 dcook hehe 03:31 jcamins You know what you should read? 03:31 jcamins Let me find it. 03:31 dcook Eeee! 03:31 jcamins Greatest article ever. 03:32 dcook Personally, I love the idea of searching "Hamlet" and finding all sorts of different expressions or manifestations or whatevers of Hamlet 03:32 jcamins Here we go: http://www.bibsocamer.org/bibdef.htm 03:32 dcook The films, the screenplays, the graphic novels, the novels, et 03:32 dcook etc* 03:32 jcamins It's going to be like a bolt of light striking. 03:33 dcook It's now on the to do list :D 03:34 eythian I like when I find a feature in csvtomarc that I wrote a couple of years ago, forgot about, and now it's exactly what I need. 03:34 * eythian combines CSV fields with wild abandon 03:34 jcamins Yay! 03:34 * jcamins calls it a night. 03:34 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:35 eythian it's barely an afternoon 03:35 eythian catch you later 03:35 dcook night, jcamins 03:36 dcook Whoa when did 1:30pm happen? 03:36 mtompset Good night, jcamins. :) 03:36 wizzyrea :D 03:36 mtompset You mean 11:32 EDT? ;) 03:36 mtompset You mean 11:32 PM EDT? ;) 03:36 dcook eythian: You were talking about a canonical source for csvtomarc.pl? 03:36 wizzyrea You mean 23:32 EDT? 03:36 eythian mtompset: It's not that late on the east coast of Australia 03:36 dcook As in having a central repo for it? 03:36 eythian dcook: yeah 03:37 dcook I keep meaning to try it out.. 03:37 eythian I was finding I was accidentally making forks of it 03:37 dcook Eeep! 03:37 mtompset Yes, 23:33 EDT, wizzyrea. 03:37 eythian add a feature for this case, and forgetting to merge it back in 03:37 dcook Definitely an issue 03:37 eythian dcook: anyway, it's in that repo I linked above. All changes are in there. 03:37 dcook I think that's the same one you linked me to the other day 03:38 eythian it's quite possible 03:38 eythian actually, yes, I remember. 03:38 dcook You have to supply your own leader, 001/003/005/008, right? 03:38 mtompset oh, and koha-auth is available in squeeze-dev. ;) 03:39 dcook I have a note to myself about a 942 as weell.. 03:39 eythian dcook: it slaps a default leader in without really caring what it is, and you can't yet change much of it. 03:39 eythian that's something that I'll be fixing some time 03:39 eythian everything else is fairly easy to set up. 03:39 eythian (well, 'easy' is relative) 03:39 dcook Ah, I see the leader there 03:40 dcook It's been a while since I looked at my experiment 03:40 eythian I think I just pulled that leader from something and made it the default. 03:40 dcook What the.. 03:40 wahanui the is a stop word 03:40 dcook Looking at it now...it is rather bizarre O_o 03:41 dcook At least in the authority context 03:41 eythian it works well for authorities, I've done it before 03:42 dcook Yeah, I think both you and jcamins were saying that 03:42 dcook I could see it working 03:42 dcook The beginning of the leader is just pretty nonsensical for an authority 03:42 eythian yeah 03:42 dcook Not that I'm complaining thouhg 03:42 dcook though* 03:42 eythian even with biblios, chunks of it are ignored. 03:42 dcook Absolutely 03:42 eythian that's not a reason to do it wrong, but most source data isn't detailed enough to generate a proper leader. 03:42 dcook I've wondered a bit about the record length.. 03:43 eythian that's automatically computed by the MARC modules, so it doesn't go wrong. 03:43 dcook Hmm 03:43 dcook In my test, I have 00000 03:43 dcook 00000pam a2200000ua 4500 in fact 03:43 eythian hmm 03:43 eythian that's odd 03:43 eythian not what I'd expect 03:44 dcook I was a bit surprised originally 03:44 eythian are you outputting as usmarc or marcxml? 03:44 eythian I guess stuff like LDR 00843pam a2200193 a 4500 03:44 eythian and LDR 00768pam a2200205 a 4500 03:44 eythian *get stuff like... 03:44 dcook marcxml 03:44 eythian oh, then the length doesn't matter 03:44 dcook I take it you output as usmarc? 03:44 eythian typically yeah 03:45 dcook Mmm 03:45 eythian no particular reason, just habit mostly 03:45 eythian I think it's a bit faster to import, too 03:45 dcook Yeah, I've heard that it's faster 03:45 dcook Actually, lots faster for high volumes 03:46 dcook Now that I think about it... 03:46 * wizzyrea summons all of her willpower to not make a terribly inappropriate joke 03:46 dcook The import script would create the record length when creating the marc blob? 03:46 eythian yeah 03:46 dcook wizzyrea: :P 03:46 eythian wizzyrea: why stop now? 03:46 wizzyrea the comedy fodder, there's too much. 03:46 wizzyrea no single joke could encompass it all. 03:47 dcook I'll go make a sandwich. I hope to see some jokes when I come back :p 03:47 * wizzyrea was told this was a rated pg space. 03:47 wizzyrea my jokes are decidedly higher rated than that. 03:48 wizzyrea at least this time. 03:48 wizzyrea somewhere around NC-17 03:49 eythian Apparently it's 11:45pm. 03:49 mtompset a play on the words lots, faster, and high volumes? ;) 03:49 eythian I'm sure the kids are asleep. 03:49 wizzyrea and blob. 03:50 mtompset You could use [off] then only out sensitive ears/eyes will be offended. ;) 03:50 mtompset ^out^our^ 03:50 wizzyrea nah I think I'll just avoid that 03:51 mtompset But dcook may be disappointed. :P 03:51 wizzyrea I think he can live with it 03:52 dcook I have several sandwiches and a full water bottle 03:52 dcook I'm good ^_^ 03:53 mtompset Well, I think I best follow jcamins' lead and grab sleep while possible. 03:53 wizzyrea sleep is for the wea...zzzzzz 03:54 wizzyrea ^ me, most days. 03:54 eythian no, sleep is for the week. 03:54 wizzyrea hehe 03:54 wizzyrea only if you're sleeping for a week. 03:54 eythian wahanui: sleep is also for the week 03:54 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:55 wizzyrea I have child, therefore sleeping for a week is incredibly tempting, but utterly impossible. 03:55 wizzyrea sleep? 03:55 wahanui i heard sleep was for the week 04:02 ibeardslee that should be weak 04:03 ibeardslee although at times sleep should be for A week. 04:05 eythian ibeardslee: no 04:07 wizzyrea gracious it's a little early for a cait 04:07 cait it's not :) 04:07 cait it's 6 04:07 eythian go back to bed, cait 04:07 wizzyrea ^ what he said 04:07 cait hmpf. 04:07 wizzyrea oh are we at 11 at the moment? 04:08 eythian no, we're at 12 04:08 eythian we were at 13. 04:08 eythian Central Yurp is normally at 1 but is now at 2. 04:09 cait we are at 10 04:10 cait isn't it like... 4 for you? 04:10 eythian that would put you in the sea beside Australia or so, I think 04:10 wizzyrea yep. never mind me, idk what the hell time it is anywhere. :P 04:10 wizzyrea except here 04:11 cait so what time is it? 04:11 * cait has been successfully confused 04:11 wizzyrea 4 04:11 dcook 2:08pm 04:11 wizzyrea 1600 04:11 wizzyrea 1608 04:12 dcook For Kohacon, I think I arrive slightly before I depart 04:12 dcook But lose 2 days coming back :( 04:12 wizzyrea that part is trippy 04:12 dcook Actually, no...maybe only one day now... 04:12 * dcook has been plotting and changing plans 04:12 dcook Trying to book a 5 leg trip...yeesh 04:13 cait if it was 4 I could go back to bed at least :) 04:14 cait eythian++ thx for reviewing the packaging things :) 04:14 dcook Anyone know off hand what all the serial statuses are/mean? 04:15 wizzyrea you mean received, expected, etc 04:15 dcook Yep 04:15 dcook Looks like serial-collection.tt has a good list though 04:15 dcook [% IF ( serial.status1 ) %]Expected[% END %][% IF ( serial.status2 ) %]Arrived[% END %][% IF ( serial.status3 ) %]Late[% END %][% IF ( serial.status4 ) %]Missing[% END %][% IF ( serial.status5 ) %]Not Available[% END %][% IF ( serial.status7 ) %]Claimed[% END %] 04:15 dcook That's probably old.. 04:16 dcook Can't remember if the "close a subscription" feature has made it in to master.. 04:16 cait it has 04:16 cait it adds closed 04:16 dcook Mmm, that's right 04:16 cait there is also Delete - but that's more an action than a status 04:17 dcook Is it recorded in the status column of the DB? 04:17 cait delete? I don't think so 04:18 cait but the other status I think yes 04:18 dcook Cool :) 04:18 dcook ty 04:19 cait no guarantees :) 04:22 dcook I really just needed to know that 2 was Arrived :) 04:27 cait btw I need a few sign offs :) 04:28 dcook Oh? 04:29 cait bug 8294 04:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8294 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , enumeration should show in copy specific hold menu 04:32 dcook Cool. Just let me wrap up my current task and I'll take a look :) 04:50 jeff travel+- 04:50 jeff got stuck in ORD due to delayed flights 05:20 dcook There you are, cait :) 05:20 cait ah thx 05:20 cait :) 05:20 cait that would have given me a headache 05:29 dcook ? 06:27 * magnuse waves 06:29 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Prairie Hills USD 113 Training http://t.co/DFWrOOLFKl" 06:37 dcook allo magnuse 06:38 magnuse hiya dcook 06:38 magnuse time to call it a day? 06:39 dcook Almost. Only 4:35pm 06:39 magnuse ah 06:39 magnuse @wunder boo 06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 06:39 magnuse woohoo 06:39 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 06:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:40 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 23.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 06:40 dcook Hmm... 06:40 dcook So much for it getting colder 06:40 dcook Not that I'm complaining 06:40 dcook Aside from some rain, it's been great 06:41 magnuse yay 06:43 dcook As a sidenote, I hate IE 06:43 dcook Especially IE 7 (and earlier) 06:43 dcook IE-- 06:43 magnuse ie-- 06:44 magnuse @karma ie 06:44 huginn magnuse: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 69 times for a total karma of -68. 06:44 magnuse moahahaha 06:44 magnuse @karma IE 06:44 huginn magnuse: Karma for "IE" has been increased 1 time and decreased 69 times for a total karma of -68. 06:46 dcook Seems like it should be less...:P 06:50 reiveune hello 06:53 dcook I also dislike yui... 06:53 dcook salut reiveune 06:55 magnuse bonjour reiveune and paul_p 06:55 magnuse @karma explorer 06:55 huginn magnuse: Karma for "explorer" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 06:55 dcook salut paul_p 06:55 magnuse @karma internet_explorer 06:55 dcook explorer-- 06:55 huginn magnuse: internet_explorer has neutral karma. 06:55 dcook :p 07:04 asaurat hi 07:04 wahanui hello, asaurat 07:09 dcook Looks like it's time for me to head off 07:09 dcook Bonjour tous les gens de France! 07:09 dcook Au revoir :) 07:09 dcook bye magnuse :) 07:29 christophe_c hello #koha 07:29 clrh hello 07:29 wahanui que tal, clrh 07:35 kf good morning #koha 07:36 magnuse hiya kf 07:37 kf god morgen magnuse :) 07:37 kf hm 07:37 kf probably that is not right :P 07:37 kf what's good morning in norwegian? 07:40 magnuse "god morgen" is perfect 07:41 tweetbot [off] twitter: @clrh: "L'association #Kohala cherche à recenser tous les utilisateurs francophones de Koha: questionnaire par ici http://t.co/NsVzrPNoYo #kohails" 07:43 kf cool :) 07:44 magnuse or "mor'n" for short 07:44 kf :) 08:03 AlexKdg http://www2.culture.gouv.fr/culture/deps/chiffres-cles2010/08-bibliotheques-2010.pdf 08:05 kf hi AlexKdg 08:53 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:53 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.2°C (10:45 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 10:23 drojf hi #koha 10:27 drojf is it the expected behaviour for fields hidden in OPAC (via marc frameworks) to appear in records saved from the OPAC? 10:34 drojf quiet around here. did i miss some kind of holiday? 10:34 kf nope 10:34 kf bug 10:35 drojf hi kf :) 10:35 kf drojf: could you consider signing off n my recent attempts to fix the german web installer? :) 10:35 drojf do you have a bug number? 10:35 kf oh yes 10:35 kf it's so nice even I can remember it :) 10:35 kf bug 10050 10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10050 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Update German web installer files for 3.12 10:38 drojf it is nice :) 10:38 drojf speaking of nice 10:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:38 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.1°C (12:13 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 10:38 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:38 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.9°C (12:30 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 10:38 kf working next to the open window :) 10:39 drojf i need to get my balcony cleaned :) 11:00 drojf is there a bug for the export shows hidden fields problem? i only find one for the same problem in ISBD view 11:10 kf drojf: hmn I can't remember seeing one 11:12 drojf i should have a todo list for koha things in my wiki 11:12 drojf i could put "make todo list" in there as the first item ;) 11:14 kf heh 11:34 alohabot Hi mib_296yjs, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 11:38 vfernandes hi guys 11:38 vfernandes one question: in koha 3.10.2 kw searches aren't working? 11:39 vfernandes I have done a fresh install, added a record named "Teste de catalogação", searched for "teste" using kw and no result 11:39 vfernandes If the search is done by title works fine... 11:40 vfernandes maybe a problem with record.abs indexes? 11:40 monie hello i am new to koha. i need an on screen keyboard in arabic, how do i do this? 11:46 vfernandes anyone? 11:46 wahanui well, anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) 11:48 jwagner vfernandes, monie, I think you've hit a dead time when the Europeans are at lunch and the North Americans haven't signed on yet -- try again in a little while 11:54 drojf d'oh 11:54 drojf for the record: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_an_OPAC_screen_keyboard 12:31 oleonard Hi #koha 12:31 jcamins Good morning. 12:43 druthb o/ 12:51 * kf waves 12:51 oleonard kf++ 12:52 oleonard Busy Bugzilla weekend for you kf 12:52 kf yah, I was procrastinating other things :) 12:52 tcohen morning #koha 12:52 oleonard That's when I get my best Koha work done too! 12:56 kf heh :) 12:57 kf oleonard: would you take a look at the patches maybe? 12:57 kf especially the invoices oneß 12:57 kf ? 12:58 oleonard Can you give me some bug numbers kf? 12:58 kf hm let me think 12:59 kf something between 100.000 - 1000.50 :P 12:59 oleonard Only 50? Well that should keep me busy until lunch anyway ;) 12:59 kf ok, that would be 100,00 and 100,50 in english... and I am looking for the bug numbers now 13:03 kf oleonard: I did some cleanup because we noticed some things in translatoin 13:08 jcamins Hm. 13:08 jcamins Does bug 9887 depend on something else? 13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page 13:09 oleonard Uh oh, that's a foreboding question. No it doesn't. 13:10 kf jcamins: did you see my comment? 13:10 kf it's only the checkout tab and you need the pref 13:10 jcamins I cleared my cache and that fixed it. 13:10 jcamins Yeah, I had the new sort erroring out. 13:12 kf oleonard: especially interested in your opinion on bug 10023 13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , degree notation in acq 13:12 kf and bug 10046 - because I think that needs your touch 13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10046 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Label budget should be fund on invoices page 13:12 kf the invoices detail page could use some of your magic :) 13:16 jcamins Yay! Bug 9985 works perfectly with no issues. 13:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9985 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The -r option to build-git-snapshot works only half way 13:16 jcamins Not that one. 13:16 kf :) 13:16 kf ooooh 13:16 jcamins Bug 9905 13:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page 13:22 kf :) 13:23 oleonard kf: I have a counter-proposal for Bug 10049 13:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10049 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Comments tab shows ( ) instead of ( 0 ) on translated templates 13:23 oleonard [% reviews.size or "0" %] 13:23 oleonard (and no surrounding IF) 13:23 kf oleonard: as long as that works I will be happy :) did you see the bug I linked to it? I just copied the solution from there 13:24 kf but was not happy with it really 13:24 kf only no better idea and the other is already in koha... so. 13:25 oleonard Well this method works for me. Tested with a freshly-generated translation. I'll submit an alternate patch if you don't mind. 13:25 kf not at all 13:25 kf do you want to submit a patch for the other occurence too? 13:25 kf bug 9952 13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9952 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , MARC tab: tab 0 is not translated correctly 13:26 kf ah, but probably would not work that way 13:26 kf + <li><a href="#tab0XX">0</a></li> < different 13:27 oleonard Unless we made something up ;) [% heres-a-variable-I-made-up or "0" %] ;) 13:28 kf heh 13:29 vfernandes I'm having problems with kw searches 13:29 jcamins Who wrote the patch for Bug 9172? 13:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 13:29 oleonard I did 13:30 jcamins That's what I thought. 13:30 magnuse and? :-) 13:30 * magnuse wants to see that one fixed 13:31 vfernandes guys, koha 3.10.2, MARC21 and kw searches? any related problem? 13:32 kf vfernandes: I am not aware of ne 13:32 kf did you update and it stopped working? 13:32 kf could it be permissions? is it only keyword searches or all searches? 13:32 vfernandes no, clean install 13:32 jcamins oleonard: could you the top part of `git show` on commit beb1e976e7c5da7d94218a13f97a6e0cb1d6dfac? 13:32 vfernandes only keyword 13:33 jcamins *could you paste 13:33 kf vfernandes: so it never worked for that installation? 13:33 vfernandes nop 13:33 kf are you using dom or icu? what's the search that doesn't wokr? 13:33 kf is zebrasrv running? 13:34 vfernandes yes, zebra is running 13:34 vfernandes title searches for example works 13:34 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Bug 9172 commit message" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/470 13:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 13:34 vfernandes see this link (beta design): catalog.koha.creddm.org 13:34 jcamins oleonard: thanks! 13:34 vfernandes http://catalog.koha.creddm.org/ 13:35 vfernandes try to do a search by "teste", and then by title "teste" 13:39 kf hm 13:39 kf that is confusing 13:39 kf nice beta design :) 13:40 kf and you didn't update? 13:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #3 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:40 kf I have never seen the 'any' index broken I think 13:41 vfernandes could be ICU? 13:41 kf hmm 13:41 kf whta is your setting for queryautotruncate 13:42 kf and yes it could play a role 13:42 vfernandes "only if * is added" 13:42 kf try automatically 13:42 kf see bug 9715 13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9715 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Variouse combinations of QueryAutoTruncate, QueryFuzzy and QueryWeightFields preferences Conflict 13:42 vfernandes kf I've changed queryautotruncate to automatically 13:43 vfernandes now it's fine 13:43 kf yay :) 13:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9172' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38dfbf865c59b04b115fd669859c13e4ba5e3049> / Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=77210d74353cbd2f968df462c2f1b968c3e7decd> / Merge branch 'bug_9463' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm 13:43 vfernandes for me that's enough :) 13:43 kf it's annoying 13:43 kf but at elast we got it working :) 13:43 vfernandes yes :) 13:43 kf yu might want to try out the queryparser when you update to 3.12 :) 13:44 kf if jcamins gets around to upload that patch for truncations ;) 13:44 kf *hint* 13:44 jcamins kf: don't count on it. 13:44 jcamins It's either do RM work or do development. 13:44 jcamins And I think you'd prefer that 3.12 be released. 13:44 kf hmmm 13:44 kf not sure... 13:44 kf joking 13:44 vfernandes kf did you liked the design? 13:45 kf I was only asking because you said you had already done that somewher 13:45 jcamins Yeah, but it requires rebasing. 13:45 jcamins A lot of rebasing. 13:45 kf vfernandes: yes it's nice :) wish I was able to come up with something like that :) 13:46 vfernandes see this last production design: http://catalogo.biblioteca.oasrs.org/ 13:46 kf oleonard: did I scare you away? 13:46 oleonard No 13:46 kf oleonard: hope I didn't make you grumpy either :) 13:46 oleonard kf: In fact I notice that opac-detail.tt already uses a variation on that syntax for default values 13:47 oleonard ...in other places 13:47 oleonard I wondered why the holdings tab didn't have the same problem 13:47 kf ? 13:47 kf aah 13:47 kf right, good question 13:47 oleonard [% itemloop.size || 0 %] 13:47 kf vfernandes: how big is your library? 13:47 kf oh i found it 13:47 kf 30.0000 :) 13:48 kf 30,000 13:48 kf I have aproblem with numbers today 13:48 vfernandes yes, that's around it 13:49 kf i am looking for some nice academic library examples for a presentation 13:50 magnuse vfernandes: those are good looking opacs! 13:50 vfernandes that last one i've shown is for a arquitectural organization called "Ordem dos arquitectos" 13:52 vfernandes kf some academic libraries implement by my company: http://biblioteca.isla.pt/ http://catalogo.ubi.pt/ http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/ 13:53 vfernandes thanks magnuse :) 13:56 kf all very nice :) 13:57 vfernandes I like the catalog from ISLA 13:57 vfernandes it turned really nice 13:57 magnuse now imagine if we could have nice css skins like that, that were easy to use and tweak... :-) 13:58 vfernandes some of them are a junction of CSS and JS code 13:59 oleonard vfernandes: Any template changes? 14:00 vfernandes yes some littles ones, but mostly of client demands 14:01 oleonard I'm curious because I'm always looking for ways we can make the templates more flexible for customization 14:02 vfernandes with CSS and jQuery you can do a lot of things... 14:06 kf oleonard: thank you :) oleonard++ 14:06 kf bit surprised you didn't find anything 14:07 oleonard Did you leave in many mistakes to test me? 14:07 kf hmmmm 14:07 kf :) 14:07 kf no, it just got a little late yesterday 14:08 kf and I am no native speaker so I thought some things might be wrong 14:08 kf i blame the N° confusion for my insecurities 14:09 vfernandes another question: koha 3.10 reports... i've created some of them and they aren't listed :/ 14:10 kf oh 14:10 vfernandes ohhh wait 14:10 vfernandes filter activated :D 14:11 oleonard kf: I prefer "No." and that seems to narrowly win over "#" in current usage in the template 14:12 gmcharlt good morning 14:12 kf oleonard: I was thinking... maybe we shoudl have that noted somewhere - library wins over branch, be careful when you say budget and mean fund... use no. etc. 14:12 kf after I did the no. patch I saw lots of # in the templates 14:13 kf but probably because I was looking for it 14:13 kf good mornign gmcharlt :) 14:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #3: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/3/ 14:18 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9933: Unable to edit or add rules for any branch except default 14:18 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 14:18 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9986: Two fixes for Z3950 search 14:18 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9414 - Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9887 [Revised] Use DataTables on circulation page 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9905 - Use DataTables on calendar page 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9463 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron sent notices page 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9986 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two fixes on Z3950 Search 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on circulation page 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on calendar page 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 14:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1139 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:49 kf hi gaetan_B 14:50 gaetan_B hi kf :) 14:57 kf gaetan_B: did the translations work? 14:57 kf gaetan_B: I talked to druthb - think it was ok 14:58 gaetan_B kf: today while leaving the meeting, the interpreter / driver was telling me "you can't make a schedule here" 14:58 gaetan_B so basically the translation training didn't happen today as planned 14:58 kf oh ok 14:58 gaetan_B but i have played with the files they are ok thanks :) 14:58 kf :) 14:58 gaetan_B it will happen on thursday 14:58 druthb kf++ 14:58 gaetan_B i think they need to find a translator until then 14:59 druthb gaetan_B++ 14:59 * gaetan_B bows without really knowing how he deserved any honor 14:59 kf gaetan_B++ :) 15:00 tcohen is this ok in english? "Check the language po files are present" 15:00 jcamins tcohen: it is, but I would prefer "Check that the language .PO files are present." 15:00 jcamins (adding "that"0 15:00 jcamins *) 15:00 tcohen and this longer version? "Check if all the po files are present for the specified language." (need it for man page) 15:01 jcamins Yes, that's completely idiomatic. 15:01 tcohen thanks jcamins 15:06 rambutan does the http://features.galecia.com site belong to anyone we know? gmcharlt maybe? 15:07 gmcharlt rambutan: LBA is the driver behind it; she's shown up in channel occassionally 15:07 rambutan >whois LBA 15:07 rambutan one of the bots should be able to respond to "whois" 15:08 gmcharlt rambutan: Lori Ayre 15:08 tcohen @whois LBA 15:08 huginn tcohen: Error: The command "whois" is available in the Internet and Network plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "whois". 15:08 kf try with a slash 15:08 rambutan ah, ic. I'll just use the contact form on the page--there's a bad database response on one. 15:08 kf /whois 15:09 rambutan ha! that worked! 15:09 rambutan tnx kf 15:24 gaetan_B bye ! 15:26 reiveune bye 15:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1139: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1139/ 15:29 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8770 - amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits 15:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9933: Unable to edit or add rules for any branch except default 15:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 15:29 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9986: Two fixes for Z3950 search 15:29 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9414 - Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9887 [Revised] Use DataTables on circulation page 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9905 - Use DataTables on calendar page 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9463 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron sent notices page 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9986 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two fixes on Z3950 Search 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on circulation page 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on calendar page 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 16:13 tcohen c'mon eythian, lemme see those new packages from master 16:17 nengard QA team: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 -- ready for QA and needs to get in to 3.12 16:17 huginn 04Bug 9850: normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 16:23 magnuse tcohen: build-git-snapshot is your friend ;-) 16:32 jcamins Hooray! Two gmcharlts! 16:34 oleonard I always heard that clones burned out early 16:34 gmcharlt heh 17:10 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:10 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 17:11 druthb @wunder 77098 17:11 huginn druthb: The current temperature in First Montrose Commons, Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (12:07 PM CDT on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 17:11 cait it looks like we are skipping spring this year and are moving on directly into summer :) 17:11 cait it's super warm and sunny outside! 17:11 druthb Partly-cloudy here, not overcast…gorgeous day. 17:22 magnuse wow 17:22 magnuse @wunder boo 17:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (6:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 17:22 magnuse but hey, the snow is melting! 17:24 tcohen hi magnuse 17:24 cait :) 17:24 cait hi tcohen :) 17:25 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 17:25 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 27.0°C (2:00 PM ART on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 17:25 magnuse hiya tcohen 17:25 magnuse yeah yeah, rub it in ;-) 17:25 magnuse 27 is too much anyway :-) 17:25 cait 24 is quite nice :P 17:27 tcohen agree magnuse 17:28 tcohen we (the people) are melting here 17:29 magnuse not fun! 17:30 druthb 27 here is a *cool* day in Houston. It'll get *much* hotter later in the year. 17:31 druthb 37 is fairly-likely, and 40 is possible. 17:36 magnuse @wunder marseille 17:36 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 17:42 magnuse did i ever tell you guys how much i hate MARC and NORMARC in particular? 17:42 druthb MARC must die! 17:42 wahanui http://marc-must-die.info/ 17:43 * druthb gives wahanui the ebil eye 17:43 jcamins magnuse: an amount comparable to the amount I hate DOM. 17:43 magnuse hehe 17:43 jcamins "Oh, by the way, when we say there is a keydown event, we don't mean that there's an *actual* keydown event. 17:44 jcamins That'd be silly. 17:44 magnuse yeah, who would want that? 17:44 jcamins "No, we mean... THERE'S NO KEYDOWN EVENT, DUMMY. WE JUST WROTE ABOUT IT IN THE SPEC TO TRIP YOU UP!" 17:45 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:46 tcohen ahhhhhhhhhh 17:46 tcohen perl translate install es-ES makes my template ISO-8859-1? 17:48 * tcohen is freaking out, really 17:48 mtompset It didn't in 200. There were only two patches added in 202 that busted it. 17:49 mtompset But I'm not sure they are the cause. 17:51 tweetbot [off] twitter: @nengard: "@shaunm I am the doc manager for #kohails - nice to "meet" you" 17:51 tweetbot [off] twitter: @gsDetermination: "What's the best thing about @kohails? You pick: it's free, #opensource, and the first of its kind for libraries | http://t.co/axwjjq30i7" 17:51 tweetbot [off] twitter: @opensourceway: "What's the best thing about @kohails? You pick: it's free, #opensource, and the first of its kind for libraries | http://t.co/thGv3INTmD" 17:51 tweetbot [off] twitter: @DavidNind: "@shaunm @nengard is the Documentation Manager for Koha #kohails http://t.co/flRQh8rCI9" 17:51 * magnuse wonders how long the 008 value builder for normarc has been unusable 17:51 magnuse mtompset: did you mean 200 and 202? 17:52 mtompset 3.11.00.200 and 3.11.00.202 17:52 mtompset Yes. 17:52 magnuse ah, thanks, i thought you meant years - never mind me! 17:52 jcamins mtompset: you do know that those numbers refer to database updates not patches, right? 17:53 mtompset yes, which is why it is strange that it BROKE... after upgrading like that. 17:53 mtompset I was running 200 from squeeze-dev in QA. 17:53 mtompset no problems with es-ES. 17:53 mtompset I did an update to 202. 17:53 jcamins There were 40+ patches in between those two revisions. 17:53 mtompset Now, I have tcohen's problem. 17:54 jcamins I'm sure it's related to bug 6554. 17:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 17:56 jcamins (i.e. it's not strange at all that it broke) 17:57 mtompset http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=17187&action=diff 17:57 mtompset Why did they change the code? I don't think the change does the same thing. 17:58 jcamins Presumably to prevent double encoding. 17:59 jcamins And it looks like it does the same thing to me. 17:59 mtompset utf8::decode modifies $_? 17:59 jcamins Of course. 18:00 jcamins http://perldoc.perl.org/utf8.html 18:00 mtompset Thanks for the link. My mistake. 18:01 jcamins decode() does not. 18:10 tcohen mtompset: when u have the time, could u tell me what do u think about bug 10041? 18:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations 18:13 mtompset why did you use a different style on the for do done vs. if then fi, tcohen? 18:13 cait magnuse++ 18:14 magnuse ? 18:14 mtompset ARG! I hate knowing a bug exists and the patch, but not being able to figure out how to test it. 18:15 tcohen which bug mtompset ? 18:15 cait magnuse: fixing bugs:) 18:16 mtompset something related to authorities: blinddetail-biblio-search.pl 18:16 mtompset eq vsa. == problem. 18:17 magnuse cait: ah, just normarc bugs, though, not proper bugs... 18:17 cait those ARE proper bugs 18:17 magnuse nah 18:18 magnuse jcamins: lazy question: does the problem described in bug 9804 have any practical implications? 18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Wrong name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 18:19 tcohen bye #koha 18:19 magnuse have fun tcohen 18:22 jcamins magnuse: only that you have to use the use xsltproc biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xml... instead of xsltproc biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml... 18:22 jcamins So, no. 18:23 magnuse jcamins: any recommendations/wishes? rename it or WONTFIX? 18:23 jcamins Renaming it sounds like a good idea. 18:23 magnuse ok, will do 18:23 jcamins But it only matters insofar as it makes things more consistent. 18:23 magnuse well, consistency IS good... 18:23 jcamins Yes. 18:24 jcamins That's why I think we should rename it. 18:24 jcamins Well, you should. :P 18:24 magnuse hehe 18:24 magnuse and i will 18:24 magnuse right now 18:24 wahanui right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works? 18:24 magnuse huh? ;-) 18:25 jcamins The HTML5/DOM selection API: MARC meets mouse, mouse loses 18:26 jcamins (and, just like in Hamlet, it ends well for no one) 18:29 mtompset ARG! Someone cleaned up the comments.png from the famfamfam folder. 18:29 jcamins mtompset: there were *three* messages to the list asking that people let it be known if they were using other icons. 18:29 mtompset I didn't know until I hit this. 18:30 jcamins Ah. 18:30 mtompset while actually searching for how to trigger a unrelated bug. 18:30 jcamins And actually, I don't think the icons were removed yet... most likely it's just that the path changed. 18:33 mtompset Hmmm... compared to 3.8.6 it may not have been added. 18:33 jcamins All the famfamfam icons were moved, I think. 18:34 mtompset famfamfam/silk? 18:34 jcamins I think you may find they were moved from /opac-tmpl/prog/en/famfamfam/ to /opac-tmpl/lib/famfamfam 18:34 jcamins Or something like that. 18:34 mtompset I'm playing with the staff client, but anyways... 18:34 jcamins In that case, intranet-tmpl instead of opac-tmpl. 18:36 mtompset Not in master yet. 18:36 jcamins Ah. 18:36 jcamins No explanation, then. 18:37 mtompset just did a git pull and a bunch of tiny_mce moved. ;) 18:38 jcamins Yup. 18:38 mtompset *sigh* This is frustrating not knowing how to trigger this bug. 18:40 mtompset And two save buttons on the authorities stuff seems weird, when one isn't styled. 18:41 jcamins Where do you see that? 18:43 mtompset several locations while hunting for how to trigger this blind thing. 18:43 mtompset Try adding a new authority, for example. 18:44 jcamins I only see one button. 18:44 mtompset scroll down. 18:44 jcamins Ah. 18:44 jcamins I see! 18:44 jcamins Tht second one can be eliminated. 18:44 jcamins *That 18:44 jcamins The first is always visible. 18:45 mtompset Yes, but I'm not sure they do the same thing. 18:46 jcamins They do. 18:46 jcamins If they don't, then that's a bug, and whatever the second one does should be done by a button with a less misleading function. 18:47 mtompset Well, I think someone in Q/A bug hunting/fixing needs to run through authorities, because I think there are some issues in that section. :( 18:48 jcamins mtompset: unfortunately, unless you're volunteering, my official stance as RM is "that's nice." 18:48 mtompset Thanks for that word of encouragement, jcamins. :P 18:48 * jcamins should probably not be on #koha, come to think of it. 18:48 jcamins I feel compelled to try and answer questions. 18:49 * mtompset nods. 18:49 mtompset Not being here may increase productivity. 18:49 jcamins Actually, I was more thinking "I'll be in a better mood if I am not reminded of Koha at all." 18:50 oleonard Harsh! 18:50 jcamins oleonard: but accurate, no? 18:51 oleonard I'll take your word for it 18:52 mtompset Are you on vacation, jcamins? 18:52 jcamins mtompset: no. 18:53 mtompset Then why would thinking of Koha ruin your mood? responsibilities piling up for RM task? 18:53 jcamins Something like that, yes. 18:54 jcamins The number of things in Koha that _aren't_ broken in some way and people don't complain about asymptotically approaches zero. 18:56 jcamins Something I never appreciated until I became RM. 18:56 mtompset I'm sorry if I induced feelings of stress by complaining. :) 18:56 jcamins It's okay. 18:56 * jcamins has a short fuse. 18:56 mtompset Me too. :) 18:57 cait jcamins: I think more things are working than used to... but I might just have seen worse :) 18:57 jcamins Not that this should be a surprise... I think I put in my proposal something along the lines of "as RM I will be irrascible and cantankerous." 18:57 jcamins cait: I think that too. 18:57 cait yeah, you are a grumpy person 18:57 * cait hands jcamins cookies 19:00 mtompset Any ideas on how to trigger output into the koha error log intentionally? 19:00 mtompset I thought "warn" would do that. 19:00 jcamins mtompset: yeah. That's easy. What's hard is getting things to not show up in the error log. 19:00 jcamins warn "whatever" 19:01 jcamins It didn't work? 19:01 oleonard mtompset: Maybe you're looking at the opac instead of the intranet error log or vice versa? 19:01 mtompset I'm looking at /home/mtompset/koha-dev/var/log/koha-error_log 19:02 jcamins That should be the intranet. 19:02 mtompset I did, interestingly, get a nice white screen of nothing. 19:02 mtompset But the page has valid html source. 19:06 mtompset Guess that's what you get when you try to get Koha to save a mostly blank authority record. 19:09 oleonard No, you should never get that. 19:09 jcamins That's what you'd get if you printed something to the browser before the headers, though. 19:17 mtompset Hmmm... now it is working. ARG! 19:22 mtompset I guess I am now mapping the whole system, because this is crazy. I need to be able to trigger errors when I want. :( 19:26 * chris_n thinks its great that khall will have the accounting rewrite finished up by today 19:27 chris_n >>> Sponsored by ByWater Solutions and developed by Kyle M Hall, expected for/deadline: 2013-04-15 19:27 khall ha! I need to change that to 'when it gets done' 19:27 jcamins chris_n: it's because of the tax deadline. 19:27 chris_n worlds fastest coder ;-) 19:27 khall no that fast 19:27 jcamins Someone is trying to write off library fines. 19:27 jcamins :) 19:28 jcamins ... I wonder how many people actually _do_ write off library fines. 19:28 mtompset more speed less haste. ;) 19:29 chris_n lol 19:46 jatara I have a question...I'm trying to re-import some previously reverted records. Unfortunately, some of these records aren't coming up at all. They were newly created, then deleted when I reverted the import. Now any new import keeps matching againt the deleted record. Any idea how to fix this? 19:52 magnuse jatara: rebuild your zebra index, perhaps? 19:52 cait khall: did you see the comment from robin about the accounts rewrite branch? 19:53 khall yeah, I've looked it over. I want to start from scratch, take all the data and functionality that's accrued over time and give it a full integration. The number of subs we have for making payments is silly! 19:54 cait I think he wanted to do that too 19:54 cait I rmemeber he sent the pod for a new module to the list 19:55 jatara magnuse...was hoping not go that route. 19:56 jcamins jatara: there is no other option. You must reindex zebra. 19:57 jcamins The fact that the records are still showing up in searches means that your indexes got out of sync. 19:57 * cait thinks jcamins is right 20:03 jatara all right. i'll have the db reindexed. 20:03 khall cait, yeah, I think's it's something that's necessary and due 20:03 khall it's a perfect way to start using dbix class too 20:05 magnuse yay 20:05 jatara i appreciate your help. :) 20:09 mtompset does anyone remember what bits 8 and 18 were for permissions? 20:09 cait khall: difficult part is keeping our data intact I guess 20:10 cait khall: and it has to have all important data for accounting 20:10 khall indeed, my primary directive is to make sure there is a full migration path 20:10 cait well, you will have lots of fun with that ;) 20:11 khall : )= 20:11 mtompset what about a full un-migration path? ;) 20:12 jcamins Fun! 20:12 jcamins Ha! 20:12 mtompset Greetings, drojf. :) 20:16 mtompset okay, bit 8 = reserve for self, something related to 22 to 30 where it got removed. 20:26 bag 20:26 bag man a fire at the JFK library the same time as the bombings 21:13 rangi morning 21:13 cait morning rangi 21:14 rangi heh, whoops owen and I both signed, lemme add my signoff to owens 21:17 rambutan news reports aren't clear about whether the JFK library was just a fire or an explosion 21:17 wizzyrea :( really terrible all around. 21:18 magnuse is that in boston? 21:18 wizzyrea *nod* 21:18 magnuse not good! 21:19 wizzyrea two more bombs found, being dismantled 21:20 wizzyrea they turned off cell phone access 21:21 rangi yuck 21:22 cait :( 21:22 bag yeah not good at all 21:32 rambutan seems like the event at JFK Library is being called an explosion 21:45 drojf rambutan: seems like they are back to »fire-related« now 21:45 rambutan yea, it's been going both ways 21:47 ibeardslee in a way it doesn't matter, it is adding to the disruption already going on 22:38 eythian hi 22:38 wahanui privet, eythian 22:41 bag hey eythian 22:41 wahanui rumour has it eythian is an expert bot trainer 22:57 eythian tcohen: master fails a package build at the moment. 22:59 eythian I think due to bug 9172 22:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 23:03 tcohen hmmm, looks like you're right eythian 23:03 eythian I'm looking at fixing it now 23:05 tcohen great 23:34 eythian khall_away: good luck with the rewrite, I started that (ages ago) and it turns out everything talks to the account database directly. If you have a look for the docs that I did, it might give you a start for design, anyway. 23:36 bag oh yes please send those docs along! 23:39 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/Accounts.pm;h=d9168cadab5110af834c3af65ad9bafd9cda09e4;hb=844513025171cdffab9df6d584e6158ce5ada781 <-- bag, khall_away: there's a lot of POD on here describing what I ws aiming to do 23:41 bag nice! 23:41 bag thanks 23:41 bag sweet 23:41 bag all the good things! 23:41 bag eythian++ 23:41 bag heh 23:41 eythian hopefully you can use some of that to save time 23:43 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/bywater/wr78012 <-- the whole branch is here. 23:45 eythian bag: khall_away: I think there's a lot of rewrites of parts in there. It might give some ideas of where you'll have to look.