Time  Nick         Message
00:10 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @andisugandi: ""@kohails: #kohails  Customizing the display of online resources like eBooks http://t.co/Ov2nzbxBgw""
00:18 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @andisugandi: ""@kohails: #kohails  Receiving Orders in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/jhN7z3QGl5""
01:01 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
01:02 mtompset     zebra?
01:02 wahanui      zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
01:22 mtompset     It's been a while. Can anyone refresh my memory on getting zebra to run under a development set up?
01:27 jcamins      install.debian?
01:27 wahanui      hmmm... install.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian
01:27 jcamins      ^^
01:29 mtompset     Oh... the problem isn't indexing. The problem is how search has changed slightly.
01:30 mtompset     Hmmm... let me try a full title.
01:31 mtompset     Okay here's the scenario.
01:31 mtompset     We have "Nan komedselan si takho, maikadwa ay grado."
01:31 mtompset     That's a full title.
01:32 mtompset     Search doesn't find it.
01:32 mtompset     "komedselan" doesn't find it.
01:32 mtompset     "komedselan*" finds it.
01:33 mtompset     Any system preferences to check so that "komedselan" would actually find something?
01:34 mtompset     Nevermind... I think I found it. QueryAutoTruncate.
01:34 mtj          hmm, i'm not so good on the searching sysprefs :/
01:35 mtompset     Yep, that was it.
01:35 mtj          aah, cool :)
01:40 mtompset     Oh goodie, the bug that we hit with page numbers is fixed. :)
01:41 mtompset     home -> cataloguing -> search: {something valid with multiple pages} -> page 2.
01:45 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing
01:45 wahanui      i heard the saddest thing was http://cooleycooley.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/the-loneliest-unicorn.html
01:45 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing is also http://www.twisteddoodles.com/post/47621065795/free-kitten
01:45 wahanui      bugger all, i dunno, eythian
01:46 eythian      wahanui: \what is the saddest thing is also http://www.twisteddoodles.com/post/47621065795/free-kitten
01:46 wahanui      OK, eythian.
02:08 eythian      wahanui:  apparently so is just after fa
02:08 wahanui      OK, eythian.
02:46 mtompset     so?
02:46 wahanui      so is probably a long road.
02:46 mtompset     fa?
02:47 wizzyrea     do
03:04 mtompset     re?
03:04 mtompset     me?
03:04 wahanui      you are disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs.
03:04 * mtompset   smirks.
03:04 mtompset     la?
03:04 mtompset     ti?
03:04 wahanui      hmmm... ti is trying to search the machine but it returns an error
03:04 mtompset     do?
03:04 wahanui      do is just a loop with the condition at the end
03:05 mtompset     Greetings, wizzyrea. :)
03:06 wizzyrea     hi :)
03:10 dcook        http://www.web2learning.net/2012/12/13/marcedit-to-offer-direct-koha-ils-integration/
03:10 dcook        Has anyone heard more about progress being made on MarcEdit integrating with the Koha API?
03:10 dcook        I remember looking it up a bit a couple months ago, but I had forgotten until now...
03:11 eythian      never used marcedit, doesn't support free software platforms.
03:11 dcook        O_o
03:11 dcook        How do you mean?
03:11 eythian      Doesn't work on Linux. Also, no source code.
03:11 dcook        Mmmm
03:11 jcamins      dcook: it is 100% proprietary, based on .NET.
03:12 dcook        Tricksy
03:12 dcook        What do you folks use instead?
03:12 jcamins      Perl scripts.
03:12 dcook        Mmm :/
03:13 dcook        A librarian I know wants to do some batch bib changes and MarcEdit seems like the easiest way of making that happen on the user end
03:13 eythian      I have a fair library of perl scripts for manipulating marc in nicely reproducable ways
03:13 jcamins      dcook: probably.
03:14 dcook        Mind you, the Perl scripts would probably be a bit nicer
03:14 dcook        From a data management point of view
03:14 dcook        Doing a little mod rather than a whole export/import
03:14 eythian      yeah
03:15 eythian      I've been wanting to write a generic Koha-aware MARC modifying script
03:15 eythian      though as soon as you say "generic", it explodes into "needs to be able to do everything"
03:15 dcook        True enough
03:15 dcook        I suppose it's a tough one :/
03:15 dcook        Because one way or another, you need to be loading the information..
03:16 dcook        Though, what do you mean by "Koha-aware"?
03:16 dcook        So you could just plugin directly to Koha and then go nuts?
03:16 dcook        plug in*
03:17 eythian      well, just that it ensures that everything is correctly synced
03:17 dcook        Side note: Did Galen completely write the Perl MARC modules?
03:17 eythian      which just means using Koha's APIs to do stuff.
03:17 eythian      I'm not sure
03:17 dcook        Mmm, yeah, I've been thinking about doing more with the Koha APIs
03:17 eythian      https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/trees/master <-- there's stuff in here for doing this kind of manipulation.
03:17 dcook        In the past, we were calling all the separate scripts on the backend, but the API just seems so much cleaner
03:17 eythian      though it's generally more oriented towards working on marc files.
03:18 jcamins      I think the original code was written by Ed Summers.
03:18 mtompset     http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/downloads.html -- There is a Linux link. I'm assuming it uses the Mono project.
03:18 dcook        =item * Andy Lester
03:18 dcook        =item * Mike O'Regan
03:18 dcook        =item * Ed Summers
03:18 dcook        =item * Mike Rylander
03:18 dcook        =item * Galen Charlton
03:18 dcook        Intriguing
03:19 jcamins      mtompset: it does, yes, but it hasn't worked well any time I've tried it.
03:19 eythian      Last I heard people were trying to make it work in wine.
03:19 eythian      with very limited success
03:20 jcamins      Basically, it's exactly what you would expect from something written in .NET. If you're using Windows, it's not a problem, otherwise it is.
03:20 dcook        :/
03:20 dcook        Or rather
03:20 dcook        :(
03:21 * jcamins    goes to bed.
03:21 dcook        night jcamins
03:21 eythian      cya
03:22 eythian      if I had time, it'd be interesting to see about making a GUI onto the perl libraries
03:22 mtompset     Good night, jcamins.
03:22 eythian      but, I think I'm generally faster with scripts.
03:23 mtompset     When you say GUI you mean Gnome/KDE/Unity/whatever desktop manager windowing system GUI?
03:23 eythian      yeah
03:23 wizzyrea     I tried to run MARCedit in Wine.
03:23 dcook        Mmm
03:23 wizzyrea     It was 1. unpleasant
03:23 wizzyrea     2. it is the devils software.
03:24 dcook        eythian: Scripts are probably faster, but I like to be careful ;)
03:24 * dcook      was looking at what toolkits Gnome and KDE use...
03:24 eythian      scripts are more careful, too
03:25 eythian      because you have all the transformations laid out in front of you all the time
03:25 dcook        KDE is Qt..
03:25 mtompset     why not a CGI front end, so you can make it browser-based, and desktop manager independent? ;)
03:25 eythian      Gnome is GTK+
03:25 dcook        Gnome is GTK+
03:25 wahanui      i already had it that way, dcook.
03:25 dcook        yeah
03:25 mtompset     KDE
03:25 mtompset     KDE?
03:25 wahanui      i guess KDE is Qt..
03:25 eythian      mtompset: because that's a lot harder for someone to set up and use :)
03:26 mtompset     Yes, but assuming they have Koha working on the server, they already have apache2 running.
03:26 dcook        eythian: All the transformations laid out in front of you?
03:26 dcook        In terms of what's printing on the screen?
03:26 eythian      dcook: no, in terms of the MARC being produced
03:27 eythian      https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/blobs/master/clients/dia/dia_liberty.sh <-- for example, a migration I'm working on at the moment, this is the whole transformation from CSV to MARC
03:28 mtompset     Well, I think I will follow jcamins' lead and head to bed too.
03:28 eythian      later
03:28 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period) everyone. :)
03:28 dcook        I'm not sure that I follow the file, but I see what you're saying now
03:29 eythian      I'm not going to teach you how to use it over IRC, but you can read the docs in csvtomarc.pl if you like :)
03:30 dcook        Mmm!
03:30 dcook        I've read the docs a bit
03:31 dcook        Ohhh
03:31 dcook        I think I see now
03:31 dcook        It's been a little while since I used csvtomarc.pl
03:31 dcook        Thanks for the link and suggestion, eythian :)
03:31 dcook        eythian++
03:32 eythian      no problem
03:33 dcook        I really see what you're saying about the transformations now. That's really cool :)
03:37 dcook        Yeah, the only downside is that this all has to be done by systems folks
03:37 dcook        I guess that's a blessing and a curse
03:37 dcook        Mind you, I suppose a savvy tech services librarian could export their data, manipulate it on their own VM, and then reimport...
03:41 eythian      yeah, in this case, we do it.
03:41 eythian      it's hard to express complex transformations in a GUI
03:49 dcook        I imagine.
03:49 * dcook      says looking at some of the functions in the migration script
04:02 * dcook      is curious about how eythian handles transformations of existing marc rather than csvtomarc, but lunch time!
04:02 eythian      dcook: it's something I don't have to do very often
04:03 eythian      there is a script in that repo to do something like that though
04:03 dcook        Oh yeah?
04:04 dcook        It's something I haven't really had to deal with much either, but from time to time
04:04 dcook        I suppose the rarity makes the whole GUI idea less a priority anyway
04:04 eythian      under migration/Generic/biblio_masher.pl
04:04 dcook        I wondered when I saw "masher" ;)
04:06 dcook        We have some scripts that we already use, but wondered if there was more of an integrated way of doing things.
04:06 dcook        Anyway, thanks again eythian. Thanks heaps!
04:06 * dcook      wanders off to mash up some food
04:08 * wizzyrea   imagines you wielding a potato masher.
05:30 cait         good morning #koha
05:45 * dcook      waves to cait
05:48 * cait       waves back
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06:24 mib_72qggx   i need some help generating labels in koha can sb help me?
06:41 reiveune     hello
06:48 alex_a       bonjour
06:48 wahanui      hola, alex_a
07:03 Joubu        hello #koha
07:05 christophe_c hello #koha
07:14 jajm         hello
07:15 marcelr      hi #koha
07:21 kf           good morning #koha
07:25 marcelr      hi kf
07:27 kf           hi marcelr :)
07:29 * magnuse    waves
07:30 kf           morning :)
07:31 magnuse      :-)
11:58 chris_n      reading the buffer can be an educational experience
11:58 * chris_n    learns about wanganella weather
12:03 drojf        good day #koha
12:16 * kf         waves
12:36 drojf        hi kf
12:40 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:42 kf           hi oleonard :)
12:43 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @kevKiriinya: "@kohails can KOHA intergrate with MS Dynamics Nav ERP?"
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12:44 oleonard     MS Dynamics Nav ERP?!
12:53 kf           Probably something like SAP?
12:54 drojf        Microsoft Dynamics NAV is an enterprise resource planning (ERP) software product from Microsoft.
12:54 kf           probably financial transactions
12:55 drojf        not sure how koha is supposed to "integrate" with that.  acquisitions maybe?
12:55 jcamins      Storage?
12:56 * jcamins    passes through #koha, offers a perplexed suggestion.
12:56 jcamins      Data goes into MS Dynamics Nav, gets pointed at by Koha?
12:57 drojf        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/MicrosoftDynamicsNAV2013WebClient.jpg not sure how to put that into MARC ;)
12:58 oleonard     Since the "consolidate opac themes" thread has turned into "the future of OPAC templates" I guess we assume that everyone agrees that we should consolidate OPAC themes?
13:10 jcamins      oleonard: sounds good to me.
13:10 jcamins      As long as we don't lose the responsive aspects of CCSR, I don't think I even care which theme is chosen.
13:11 jcamins      The reason I worked on CCSR is that I needed a responsive OPAC theme, and that was my best chance of getting one.
13:11 * jcamins    shakes his fist at the federal government.
13:12 jcamins      Curse you, IRS, and April 15, too!
13:14 * druthb     shakes her fist at the Kansas state government.
13:14 druthb       Curse you, Department of Revenue, and April 15, too!
13:14 jcamins      druthb: I'd be shaking my fist at the NYS government, except the amount they're taxing me is so low in comparison I don't really care.
13:15 druthb       I'm not shaking my fist *hard* at the KS DoR, either—It's more a nuisance than anything else.
13:16 * jcamins    shouts "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan"
13:18 * druthb     thinks that jcamins shaking his fist still isn't all that threatening.  "Slim, dapper man shakes fist" just isn't as…erm…overwhelming, as, say, Lord Vader's force-choke.
13:19 jcamins      lol
13:19 jcamins      I shouted "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" really loudly. :P
13:20 druthb       uhrm…jcamins….  I love you to pieces, you know that.  But I'm still bigger'n you are.
13:21 druthb       :P
13:24 * jcamins    scurries to get ready and get out of the house.
13:47 AndroUser    Morning
13:53 oleonard     Perhaps if someone has a moment they could try to reproduce Bug 10025 and Bug 10024? They both work for me.
13:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10025 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , star ratings aren't saving
13:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10024 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , stars are radio buttons in both themes
13:56 tcohen       @wunder Cordoba, argentina
13:56 huginn       tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (10:00 AM ART on April 11, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
13:56 druthb       @wunder 77098
13:56 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Royal Brook, Houston, Texas is 5.5°C (8:48 AM CDT on April 11, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
13:58 tcohen       druthb do u think we could integrate the manuals to the main pootle?
13:58 kf           oleonard: before I forget - I think the ccsr has translation issues
13:58 kf           oleonard: I was told there were strings in the css files for the mobile view - didn't have time to really test is so far, but maybe something you could keep in mind in the discussion?
14:01 oleonard     Is 9418 the correct port to unblock if I want to be able to get work done today?
14:03 oleonard     kf: Whatever we do with the OPAC there will be major overhauls to everything, so I'm not worried about CCSR's issues right now
14:04 druthb       tcohen:  I've been thinking about that issue;  I also want to separate the .po from the main Koha repo, and that probably needs to happen first.  I know *how* to push it out as a subproject, but I want to not create headaches for people who are actually using it.
14:09 tcohen       druthb, you mean using the current manual translation site?
14:11 druthb       tcohen:  First, I want to take the .po files out of the main Koha git repo, which will shrink the repo rather dramatically, and ship those as a subproject.  *then*, I want to move the manual pages into Pootle, and deal with having the translated manuals in the "translations" repo.
14:12 druthb       All that, without making anything any harder on anyone.
14:14 tcohen       Ok, I need to change my Android irc client
14:14 druthb       What are you using?
14:14 tcohen       Androirc
14:15 druthb       hm.  I've had good luck with that one.
14:57 mmm45        hello
14:57 wahanui      privet, mmm45
14:58 mmm45        how can one Switch TimeFormat to the 12 hour format
14:58 mmm45        for patch 9014
14:58 mmm45        apparently time needs to be in the 12 hour format
15:04 kf           oleonard: we would probably need to find a way to deprecate the old one first, if we replaced a lot of the structure? so libraries have some time to adjust to the new templates?
15:06 kf           mmm45: it will be possible to do that in 3.12
15:07 kf           switch the dateformat
15:07 kf           there is a system preference called TimeFormat for that
15:07 kf           bug 9014
15:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add time due to slips
15:07 kf           ah right, yes, that will be in the 3.12 release.
15:07 kf           and now I leave :) bye #koha
16:00 reiveune     bye
16:01 rambutan     As a degreed linguist, I must say that transliteration sucks. For the native speakers/readers of the language, it's typically undecipherable, and requires much the same effort of learning a second language.
16:01 rambutan     Additionally, there are many "standard" ways of doing translation, and LoC may do it differently than the native speakers of the language would prefer.
16:03 rambutan     PE, FE KDU GEUK LEL!
16:04 rambutan     which, of course, a Korean person would look at and say: "What the heck is that" (translated here from the Korean thought to English, of course)
16:07 rambutan     where is everybody? was there a netsplit?
16:11 chris_n      heya rambutan
16:12 rambutan     chris_n!
16:12 wahanui      release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
16:13 chris_n      heh, very late at that
16:13 rambutan     strange, your nick isn't showing on my participants list. I need a new chat client.
16:13 * chris_n    hands rambutan x-chat
16:14 rambutan     yea, but I moved off xchat because it doesn't save server/channel connections and it disconnects badly
16:14 chris_n      I use bip as a backend for my xchat client
16:14 chris_n      seems to improve it a bit
16:15 rambutan     I loaded a machine with Mint 14 couple of days ago and saw some new clients in the repos, I'll probably check out some of those.
16:30 rambutan     and for amusement only, I recommend the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKATS
16:35 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @roganhamby: "@kmlussier is giving the State of Evergreen address.  Cross pollination between #egils and #kohails  #egconf2013"
16:35 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "@kmlussier gave a shout-out to recent collaboration between #kohails and #egils folks just now.  That makes me happy. #egcon2013"
16:41 rambutan     well, this is really cool:
16:41 rambutan     http://search.cpan.org/~you/Encode-Korean-0.09/lib/Encode/Korean/SKATS.pm
17:53 mmm45        hello
17:53 mmm45        can someone tell me if BiblioDefaultDisplay exist in version 3.10.4
17:53 mmm45        i am looking at the documentation for bug 9534
17:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen
17:54 mmm45        i cannot find the location of BiblioDefaultDisplay. It is only something for 3.12?
17:54 mmm45        to be introduced?
18:11 chris_n      python stinks for flexibility
18:11 chris_n      no pun intended
18:13 chris_n      mmm45: for 3.12
18:35 oleonard     This place is like a tomb today.
18:35 * druthb     waves at oleonard
18:38 * oleonard   isn't really here
19:00 * druthb     isn't, either.
19:09 * gmcharlt   waves from Vancouver
19:10 * druthb     waves at gmcharlt, eh?
19:10 wizzyrea     mmm45 that is set in systempreferences
19:10 wizzyrea     and it is definitely in 3.10
19:11 gmcharlt     druthb: heh -- I'm not sure I *need* to incorporate yet *another* accent into my own ;)
19:12 druthb       gmcharlt:  of course you do.  Then move to Texas and tack on a y'all or ten,
19:13 druthb       I thought about, for April Fool's this year, doing an en_TX translation of Koha.
19:14 gmcharlt     druthb++
19:14 gmcharlt     (and I already caught the y'all bug in Georgia)
19:14 * gmcharlt   has even been known to utter "all y'all"
19:15 druthb       "An error occurred while trying to process your request." becomes "Uh-oh!  Y'all in trouble now!  Sumpin ain't right hyar."
19:15 druthb       did you use all-y'all correctly?
19:15 * druthb     makes squinty eyes at gmcharlt.
19:16 gmcharlt     druthb: I did! :)
19:16 druthb       Aight.
19:16 * gmcharlt   heads out to lunch
19:17 oleonard     That would have been quite a time-consuming April Fools joke druthb
19:17 druthb       Indeed, oleonard, and my plate is pretty full already, which is why it didn't happen.
19:19 chris_n      wizzyera: my 3.10.2 syspref search could not find it
19:19 * chris_n    is not sure about .4
19:20 chris_n      wizzyrea even
19:25 chris_n      fwiw: http://tinyurl.com/bvz9qgw
19:26 oleonard     BiblioDefaultView chris_n?
19:26 * chris_n    just found that one
19:26 chris_n      looks like its mistyped in the bug
19:27 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
19:28 chris_n      and the misspelling is immortalized in master now :-)
19:28 oleonard     What bug is this?
19:31 chris_n      bug 9534
19:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen
19:41 jcamins      Wow. It sure is quiet in here.
19:43 rangi        string freeze in 10 days jcamins ?
19:44 jcamins      That doesn't seem right.
19:44 jcamins      Is it already the 20th?
19:44 jcamins      No.
19:44 jcamins      It's not.
19:44 jcamins      May 1.
19:45 oleonard     Hi rangi
19:47 mtompset     Spelling is a problem with international versions of English. Is there a particular standard preferred in the default EN installation?
19:47 jcamins      US.
19:47 oleonard     Yeah, because we're pushy that way
19:47 rangi        ahh right
19:47 * mtompset   chuckles, "Yes, yes you guys are. :P"
19:47 rangi        yeah it was NZ english but I was overruled
19:48 rangi        :)
19:48 rangi        but i just translate it all anyway
19:48 mtompset     Out of curiosity, what is the "correct" way to spell catalogue with an -ing on the end?
19:49 oleonard     cataloggging
19:49 rangi        cataloguing (but in americanese cataloging)
19:49 jcamins      Actually, "cataloguing" is acceptable in US English too.
19:49 jcamins      But "catalogue" is not.
19:49 jcamins      Go figure.
19:49 druthb       "detail-freakin'", in en_TX
19:50 jcamins      lol
19:50 * druthb     watches the detail-freak^W^Wcataloger laugh
19:50 mtompset     Oops... I should have said catalog[ue]. ;)
19:51 mtompset     Anyone remember the Apple ][? CATALOG was the equivalent of ls. :)
19:53 oleonard     We've made much progress since then, excluding the Windows command line.
19:56 druthb       …and excluding Windows Me.
19:57 oleonard     I think you mean Windows[odd]
19:57 druthb       lol
19:57 oleonard     Sorry, that should have been Windows[even]?
19:58 druthb       Even, I think.  Win 7 wasn't too awful.
19:59 jcamins      Windows 2000 was better than '95, though.
19:59 jcamins      And '98
19:59 tcohen       i had a fine tuned windowsMe box for a while which worked flawlessly
20:00 rangi        i skipped that whole windows fad, didnt miss a thing :)
20:00 druthb       I had a decent one, too, that served me well for about three years.
20:00 jcamins      tcohen: so you stuck a Windows Me sticker on a computer running Linux?
20:00 tcohen       upgraded to Mandrake 6.1
20:00 jcamins      Good call.
20:00 tcohen       heh
20:01 tcohen       Mandrake > Debian > Gentoo > Debian > Ubuntu
20:02 rangi        Debian > Debian > Gentoo thought wtf is this > Debian > Ubuntu > Debian
20:03 rangi        with zx spectrum, and solaris, before that
20:03 rangi        oh i had a mac for that year that is best forgotten
20:04 rangi        but that was just a really really expensive host for a debian vm
20:04 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ranginui: "looking forward to doing an intro to #kohails in auckland on monday"
20:05 rangi        the best part of that year was going to oleonard's house
20:05 oleonard     :)
20:05 rangi        and helping nengard move house
20:06 * tcohen     still misses Gentoo, just a little
20:07 rangi        you can simulate it
20:07 tcohen       you mean, keep compiling stuff ?
20:08 rangi        jsut install everything with apt-src :)
20:08 tcohen       :-D
20:08 tcohen       u have a point
20:15 * jcamins    is not certain that would work.
20:16 jcamins      Isn't one of Gentoo's key features the way everything breaks if you don't recompile every single package whenever you want to update anything?
20:18 maximep      so not true =)
20:19 jcamins      maximep: sorry, that's Arch, isn't it?
20:19 jcamins      :P
20:19 maximep      well
20:19 maximep      it's a good idea to run revdep-rebuild to check if something is broken :p
20:19 jcamins      Actually, I thought Arch was "everything breaks every time you upgrade anything no matter what."
20:19 maximep      after each update :p
20:19 maximep      Arch is more, break everything by using alpha versions of everything
20:21 maximep      couldn't use any other distro. Love my gentoo :D
20:33 * jcamins    ponders eliminating modals.
20:36 jcamins      If I eliminate modals, Javascript will be that much less necessary.
21:19 mtompset     modals?
21:35 cait         hi #kohs
21:35 cait         #koha
21:39 tcohen_      hi cait
21:39 bgkriegel    hi cait
21:39 cait         :)
21:40 tcohen_      is it May 22 already?
21:41 bgkriegel    release?
21:41 wahanui      well, release is the 22nd nz time every month
21:41 tcohen_      exactly
21:42 mtompset     Greetings, cait tcohen_ bgkriegel jcamins etc. :)
21:43 bgkriegel    hi mtompset
21:43 cait         tcohen: we still have some time to fix them all ... the bugs :)
21:50 tcohen_      hmm, my phone took my nickname over
21:51 cait         bad phone
21:51 cait         :)
21:51 cait         or good phone?
21:51 cait         maybe too late
21:52 tcohen_      cait: is there an official list of standing bugs?
21:55 cait         hm
21:55 cait         not a "this must be fixed" one
21:55 cait         or official like that
21:55 cait         but there is of course bugzilla and you can sort by severity
21:56 tcohen_      is "FIXME NOW" a good source ?
21:56 cait         is that a saved list?
21:56 cait         let me check
21:56 tcohen_      its blocker+critical
21:57 cait         yep a good one
21:57 cait         there are probabyl some major ones too
21:59 tcohen_      hmm, pistachios
22:00 cait         hmm, chocolate :)
22:04 cait         bug 8277
22:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8277 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , item form not always showing when ordering
22:04 cait         bug 8368
22:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8368 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , List email broken for non english templates
22:06 tcohen_      the latter ins't a translation scripts problem, right?
22:08 cait         not really
22:08 cait         we need to replace it with a proper template
22:09 cait         it has been done for the cart already
22:09 cait         but not for the list
22:09 cait         the translation scripts are not made to translate plain text, but html
22:10 tcohen_      i'll take a look
22:10 cait         bug 8062 is the one with a possible fix
22:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8062 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Cart email broken for non english templates
22:10 cait         tcohen_: that would be cool :)
22:12 cait         hm bug 9185 and bug 8684
22:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9185 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate barcode check broken on order receive
22:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8684 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken
22:13 cait         and both filed by me... oi.
22:27 Brooke       o/
22:29 cait         hi Brooke
22:29 Brooke       howdy :)
22:37 * Brooke     is slightly regretting taking thousands of photos.
22:38 Brooke       there's a good RFID overview from Dhaka Digi Services. :) DDS++
22:46 tcohen       don't we have SMTP settings in the preferenceS?
22:46 tcohen       yet?E
22:49 cait         nope
22:49 cait         we use the mta from the server
22:49 cait         i mean the mta
22:49 cait         that is on the server
22:54 tcohen       ok, got postfix to send through gmail (from my laptop)
22:59 eythian      hi
23:01 tcohen       hi eythian
23:04 cait         hi eythian
23:11 eythian      If only I knew where to find a QA person to look at bug 9250 ...
23:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
23:17 cait         hm it's packaging
23:17 cait         with a sign-off
23:17 cait         wouldn't that be covered by your privileges?
23:17 cait         :)
23:18 eythian      well, if you think that's the case, I'll pass it :) it doesn't touch anything outside the package directory
23:19 cait         what do you think?
23:19 cait         I am too tired to think :)
23:20 eythian      I just passed it :)
23:21 cait         someone needs to take a look at all unimarc and sip related patches. hm.
23:21 cait         we clearly have 2 groups there
23:22 tcohen       eythian, I'd like to test the packages related docs. Is there a source of up to date data on the koha-create switches usage?
23:22 eythian      well, this isn't SIP per se, just some stuff to make it easy to manage from the packages.
23:22 tcohen       i had troubles creating instances with an external DB
23:22 eythian      tcohen: the man page is probably the best place.
23:23 cait         eythian: I know... just talking to myself. we have 2 groups of patches looking a bit stuck right now - unimarc and sip related
23:23 eythian      ah right
23:24 eythian      tcohen: we run with an external db, basically koha-create --create-db can't work in that case, so you use --request-db, create the db on the server, then use --populate-db to finish it up
23:25 eythian      You could also use --use-db.
23:26 tcohen       do u belive we could add db related switches to koha-create so all parameters are passed @ command line?
23:27 eythian      you also need to have /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf set up to contain the database host you want to use.
23:28 cait         tomorrow?
23:28 wahanui      somebody said tomorrow was pizza friday! or the day after today.
23:28 eythian      many options already are specifiable.
23:28 cait         tomorrow is also a mystical land where 99% of all human productivity, motivation and achievement is stored.
23:28 wahanui      okay, cait.
23:29 eythian      I'm not averse to having more, although I would tend to recommend that the config files remain the main source.
23:29 eythian      It could probably do with more documentation though
23:29 eythian      also, it wouldn't be trivial to do safely
23:29 eythian      because you don't want to put the mysql password on the command line
23:29 tcohen       that's my main concern, i see myself as a power user and strugled to get it working
23:30 tcohen       (language issues probably)
23:30 eythian      I'm not sure if setting up external database servers is documented anywhere.
23:30 tcohen       it isnt, but the docs suggest --use-db should be used for that
23:31 tcohen       i think i'd add the hostname to the koha/passwd file
23:31 eythian      no, the docs specifically suggest that you should use the other options :)
23:32 eythian      If the database you want to use does not reside on localhost, you can
23:32 eythian      use --request-db and --populate-db, see below.
23:32 eythian      the hostname is in the mysql config file as it passes that to mysql to connect.
23:33 eythian      ah, there is some docs on the wiki about using a separate server, but it is missing a critical step
23:33 eythian      it's not generally a requirement to use the passwd file
23:34 eythian      that said, it might be worth putting in there too optionally.
23:36 tcohen       i don't have an opinion on the best approach, its just that it wasn't easy as it should have been
23:36 tcohen       maybe mixed docs
23:36 tcohen       incomplete docs, etc
23:36 eythian      yeah, the docs need a cleanup
23:37 tcohen       having db switches in koha-create would make it scriptable, thuo
23:38 eythian      yeah
23:39 tcohen       I did a 38 instances test install, that's the whole thing
23:39 tcohen       have my librarians testing 3.12
23:39 eythian      nice
23:40 eythian      so at the moment it pulls the hostname from the /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf file, and also uses that to connect mysql to the db in localhost setups. So having options that created a temp mysql .cnf file that was used instead might work.
23:41 eythian      probably the easiest method, anyway.
23:42 tcohen       yes, for the not-already-created-db scenario
23:43 tcohen       so, --create-db and --request-db is for non-existent db's. And --use-db for using an already created DB
23:43 eythian      I am thinking that it might not be necessary to write out the temp file though. Might be enough to add command line options to the mysql calls.
23:44 eythian      that's right, yeah
23:44 tcohen       exactly
23:45 tcohen       if we added hostname to the passwd file that use case would be covered
23:45 tcohen       (--use-db)
23:47 eythian      yeah, though if you're doing that, it's worth adding a command line option too. Many people don't use the passwd file.
23:47 tcohen       eythian: if we had all that option combinations clearly documented, we could have a bash-completion file too :-D
23:48 eythian      that'd be good :)
23:48 tcohen       its a pity we live in different timezones
23:48 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @wizzyrea: "Pretty interesting - no #kohails connector yet http://t.co/6vPRN0li81"
23:50 eythian      well, it's been suggested that everyone move to NZ, but apparently some people weren't so keen on the idea for some reason.
23:51 bag          bug 9839
23:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9839 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , when importing MARC records, item record not created even when set to "always add"
23:51 bag          I need that one QA'd sometime :)
23:54 dcook        eythian: I don't know about moving per se, but visits sound nice ;)
23:58 tcohen       yes, you're all welcome to argentina, really
23:58 tcohen       :-P