Time Nick Message
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01:01 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:02 mtompset zebra?
01:02 wahanui zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
01:22 mtompset It's been a while. Can anyone refresh my memory on getting zebra to run under a development set up?
01:27 jcamins install.debian?
01:27 wahanui hmmm... install.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian
01:27 jcamins ^^
01:29 mtompset Oh... the problem isn't indexing. The problem is how search has changed slightly.
01:30 mtompset Hmmm... let me try a full title.
01:31 mtompset Okay here's the scenario.
01:31 mtompset We have "Nan komedselan si takho, maikadwa ay grado."
01:31 mtompset That's a full title.
01:32 mtompset Search doesn't find it.
01:32 mtompset "komedselan" doesn't find it.
01:32 mtompset "komedselan*" finds it.
01:33 mtompset Any system preferences to check so that "komedselan" would actually find something?
01:34 mtompset Nevermind... I think I found it. QueryAutoTruncate.
01:34 mtj hmm, i'm not so good on the searching sysprefs :/
01:35 mtompset Yep, that was it.
01:35 mtj aah, cool :)
01:40 mtompset Oh goodie, the bug that we hit with page numbers is fixed. :)
01:41 mtompset home -> cataloguing -> search: {something valid with multiple pages} -> page 2.
01:45 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing
01:45 wahanui i heard the saddest thing was http://cooleycooley.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/the-loneliest-unicorn.html
01:45 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing is also http://www.twisteddoodles.com/post/47621065795/free-kitten
01:45 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, eythian
01:46 eythian wahanui: \what is the saddest thing is also http://www.twisteddoodles.com/post/47621065795/free-kitten
01:46 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:08 eythian wahanui: apparently so is just after fa
02:08 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:46 mtompset so?
02:46 wahanui so is probably a long road.
02:46 mtompset fa?
02:47 wizzyrea do
03:04 mtompset re?
03:04 mtompset me?
03:04 wahanui you are disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs.
03:04 * mtompset smirks.
03:04 mtompset la?
03:04 mtompset ti?
03:04 wahanui hmmm... ti is trying to search the machine but it returns an error
03:04 mtompset do?
03:04 wahanui do is just a loop with the condition at the end
03:05 mtompset Greetings, wizzyrea. :)
03:06 wizzyrea hi :)
03:10 dcook http://www.web2learning.net/2012/12/13/marcedit-to-offer-direct-koha-ils-integration/
03:10 dcook Has anyone heard more about progress being made on MarcEdit integrating with the Koha API?
03:10 dcook I remember looking it up a bit a couple months ago, but I had forgotten until now...
03:11 eythian never used marcedit, doesn't support free software platforms.
03:11 dcook O_o
03:11 dcook How do you mean?
03:11 eythian Doesn't work on Linux. Also, no source code.
03:11 dcook Mmmm
03:11 jcamins dcook: it is 100% proprietary, based on .NET.
03:12 dcook Tricksy
03:12 dcook What do you folks use instead?
03:12 jcamins Perl scripts.
03:12 dcook Mmm :/
03:13 dcook A librarian I know wants to do some batch bib changes and MarcEdit seems like the easiest way of making that happen on the user end
03:13 eythian I have a fair library of perl scripts for manipulating marc in nicely reproducable ways
03:13 jcamins dcook: probably.
03:14 dcook Mind you, the Perl scripts would probably be a bit nicer
03:14 dcook From a data management point of view
03:14 dcook Doing a little mod rather than a whole export/import
03:14 eythian yeah
03:15 eythian I've been wanting to write a generic Koha-aware MARC modifying script
03:15 eythian though as soon as you say "generic", it explodes into "needs to be able to do everything"
03:15 dcook True enough
03:15 dcook I suppose it's a tough one :/
03:15 dcook Because one way or another, you need to be loading the information..
03:16 dcook Though, what do you mean by "Koha-aware"?
03:16 dcook So you could just plugin directly to Koha and then go nuts?
03:16 dcook plug in*
03:17 eythian well, just that it ensures that everything is correctly synced
03:17 dcook Side note: Did Galen completely write the Perl MARC modules?
03:17 eythian which just means using Koha's APIs to do stuff.
03:17 eythian I'm not sure
03:17 dcook Mmm, yeah, I've been thinking about doing more with the Koha APIs
03:17 eythian https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/trees/master <-- there's stuff in here for doing this kind of manipulation.
03:17 dcook In the past, we were calling all the separate scripts on the backend, but the API just seems so much cleaner
03:17 eythian though it's generally more oriented towards working on marc files.
03:18 jcamins I think the original code was written by Ed Summers.
03:18 mtompset http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/downloads.html -- There is a Linux link. I'm assuming it uses the Mono project.
03:18 dcook =item * Andy Lester
03:18 dcook =item * Mike O'Regan
03:18 dcook =item * Ed Summers
03:18 dcook =item * Mike Rylander
03:18 dcook =item * Galen Charlton
03:18 dcook Intriguing
03:19 jcamins mtompset: it does, yes, but it hasn't worked well any time I've tried it.
03:19 eythian Last I heard people were trying to make it work in wine.
03:19 eythian with very limited success
03:20 jcamins Basically, it's exactly what you would expect from something written in .NET. If you're using Windows, it's not a problem, otherwise it is.
03:20 dcook :/
03:20 dcook Or rather
03:20 dcook :(
03:21 * jcamins goes to bed.
03:21 dcook night jcamins
03:21 eythian cya
03:22 eythian if I had time, it'd be interesting to see about making a GUI onto the perl libraries
03:22 mtompset Good night, jcamins.
03:22 eythian but, I think I'm generally faster with scripts.
03:23 mtompset When you say GUI you mean Gnome/KDE/Unity/whatever desktop manager windowing system GUI?
03:23 eythian yeah
03:23 wizzyrea I tried to run MARCedit in Wine.
03:23 dcook Mmm
03:23 wizzyrea It was 1. unpleasant
03:23 wizzyrea 2. it is the devils software.
03:24 dcook eythian: Scripts are probably faster, but I like to be careful ;)
03:24 * dcook was looking at what toolkits Gnome and KDE use...
03:24 eythian scripts are more careful, too
03:25 eythian because you have all the transformations laid out in front of you all the time
03:25 dcook KDE is Qt..
03:25 mtompset why not a CGI front end, so you can make it browser-based, and desktop manager independent? ;)
03:25 eythian Gnome is GTK+
03:25 dcook Gnome is GTK+
03:25 wahanui i already had it that way, dcook.
03:25 dcook yeah
03:25 mtompset KDE
03:25 mtompset KDE?
03:25 wahanui i guess KDE is Qt..
03:25 eythian mtompset: because that's a lot harder for someone to set up and use :)
03:26 mtompset Yes, but assuming they have Koha working on the server, they already have apache2 running.
03:26 dcook eythian: All the transformations laid out in front of you?
03:26 dcook In terms of what's printing on the screen?
03:26 eythian dcook: no, in terms of the MARC being produced
03:27 eythian https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/blobs/master/clients/dia/dia_liberty.sh <-- for example, a migration I'm working on at the moment, this is the whole transformation from CSV to MARC
03:28 mtompset Well, I think I will follow jcamins' lead and head to bed too.
03:28 eythian later
03:28 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period) everyone. :)
03:28 dcook I'm not sure that I follow the file, but I see what you're saying now
03:29 eythian I'm not going to teach you how to use it over IRC, but you can read the docs in csvtomarc.pl if you like :)
03:30 dcook Mmm!
03:30 dcook I've read the docs a bit
03:31 dcook Ohhh
03:31 dcook I think I see now
03:31 dcook It's been a little while since I used csvtomarc.pl
03:31 dcook Thanks for the link and suggestion, eythian :)
03:31 dcook eythian++
03:32 eythian no problem
03:33 dcook I really see what you're saying about the transformations now. That's really cool :)
03:37 dcook Yeah, the only downside is that this all has to be done by systems folks
03:37 dcook I guess that's a blessing and a curse
03:37 dcook Mind you, I suppose a savvy tech services librarian could export their data, manipulate it on their own VM, and then reimport...
03:41 eythian yeah, in this case, we do it.
03:41 eythian it's hard to express complex transformations in a GUI
03:49 dcook I imagine.
03:49 * dcook says looking at some of the functions in the migration script
04:02 * dcook is curious about how eythian handles transformations of existing marc rather than csvtomarc, but lunch time!
04:02 eythian dcook: it's something I don't have to do very often
04:03 eythian there is a script in that repo to do something like that though
04:03 dcook Oh yeah?
04:04 dcook It's something I haven't really had to deal with much either, but from time to time
04:04 dcook I suppose the rarity makes the whole GUI idea less a priority anyway
04:04 eythian under migration/Generic/biblio_masher.pl
04:04 dcook I wondered when I saw "masher" ;)
04:06 dcook We have some scripts that we already use, but wondered if there was more of an integrated way of doing things.
04:06 dcook Anyway, thanks again eythian. Thanks heaps!
04:06 * dcook wanders off to mash up some food
04:08 * wizzyrea imagines you wielding a potato masher.
05:30 cait good morning #koha
05:45 * dcook waves to cait
05:48 * cait waves back
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06:24 mib_72qggx i need some help generating labels in koha can sb help me?
06:41 reiveune hello
06:48 alex_a bonjour
06:48 wahanui hola, alex_a
07:03 Joubu hello #koha
07:05 christophe_c hello #koha
07:14 jajm hello
07:15 marcelr hi #koha
07:21 kf good morning #koha
07:25 marcelr hi kf
07:27 kf hi marcelr :)
07:29 * magnuse waves
07:30 kf morning :)
07:31 magnuse :-)
11:58 chris_n reading the buffer can be an educational experience
11:58 * chris_n learns about wanganella weather
12:03 drojf good day #koha
12:16 * kf waves
12:36 drojf hi kf
12:40 oleonard Hi #koha
12:42 kf hi oleonard :)
12:43 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kevKiriinya: "@kohails can KOHA intergrate with MS Dynamics Nav ERP?"
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12:44 oleonard MS Dynamics Nav ERP?!
12:53 kf Probably something like SAP?
12:54 drojf Microsoft Dynamics NAV is an enterprise resource planning (ERP) software product from Microsoft.
12:54 kf probably financial transactions
12:55 drojf not sure how koha is supposed to "integrate" with that. acquisitions maybe?
12:55 jcamins Storage?
12:56 * jcamins passes through #koha, offers a perplexed suggestion.
12:56 jcamins Data goes into MS Dynamics Nav, gets pointed at by Koha?
12:57 drojf https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/MicrosoftDynamicsNAV2013WebClient.jpg not sure how to put that into MARC ;)
12:58 oleonard Since the "consolidate opac themes" thread has turned into "the future of OPAC templates" I guess we assume that everyone agrees that we should consolidate OPAC themes?
13:10 jcamins oleonard: sounds good to me.
13:10 jcamins As long as we don't lose the responsive aspects of CCSR, I don't think I even care which theme is chosen.
13:11 jcamins The reason I worked on CCSR is that I needed a responsive OPAC theme, and that was my best chance of getting one.
13:11 * jcamins shakes his fist at the federal government.
13:12 jcamins Curse you, IRS, and April 15, too!
13:14 * druthb shakes her fist at the Kansas state government.
13:14 druthb Curse you, Department of Revenue, and April 15, too!
13:14 jcamins druthb: I'd be shaking my fist at the NYS government, except the amount they're taxing me is so low in comparison I don't really care.
13:15 druthb I'm not shaking my fist *hard* at the KS DoR, either—It's more a nuisance than anything else.
13:16 * jcamins shouts "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan"
13:18 * druthb thinks that jcamins shaking his fist still isn't all that threatening. "Slim, dapper man shakes fist" just isn't as…erm…overwhelming, as, say, Lord Vader's force-choke.
13:19 jcamins lol
13:19 jcamins I shouted "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" really loudly. :P
13:20 druthb uhrm…jcamins…. I love you to pieces, you know that. But I'm still bigger'n you are.
13:21 druthb :P
13:24 * jcamins scurries to get ready and get out of the house.
13:47 AndroUser Morning
13:53 oleonard Perhaps if someone has a moment they could try to reproduce Bug 10025 and Bug 10024? They both work for me.
13:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10025 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , star ratings aren't saving
13:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10024 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , stars are radio buttons in both themes
13:56 tcohen @wunder Cordoba, argentina
13:56 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (10:00 AM ART on April 11, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
13:56 druthb @wunder 77098
13:56 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Royal Brook, Houston, Texas is 5.5°C (8:48 AM CDT on April 11, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
13:58 tcohen druthb do u think we could integrate the manuals to the main pootle?
13:58 kf oleonard: before I forget - I think the ccsr has translation issues
13:58 kf oleonard: I was told there were strings in the css files for the mobile view - didn't have time to really test is so far, but maybe something you could keep in mind in the discussion?
14:01 oleonard Is 9418 the correct port to unblock if I want to be able to get work done today?
14:03 oleonard kf: Whatever we do with the OPAC there will be major overhauls to everything, so I'm not worried about CCSR's issues right now
14:04 druthb tcohen: I've been thinking about that issue; I also want to separate the .po from the main Koha repo, and that probably needs to happen first. I know *how* to push it out as a subproject, but I want to not create headaches for people who are actually using it.
14:09 tcohen druthb, you mean using the current manual translation site?
14:11 druthb tcohen: First, I want to take the .po files out of the main Koha git repo, which will shrink the repo rather dramatically, and ship those as a subproject. *then*, I want to move the manual pages into Pootle, and deal with having the translated manuals in the "translations" repo.
14:12 druthb All that, without making anything any harder on anyone.
14:14 tcohen Ok, I need to change my Android irc client
14:14 druthb What are you using?
14:14 tcohen Androirc
14:15 druthb hm. I've had good luck with that one.
14:57 mmm45 hello
14:57 wahanui privet, mmm45
14:58 mmm45 how can one Switch TimeFormat to the 12 hour format
14:58 mmm45 for patch 9014
14:58 mmm45 apparently time needs to be in the 12 hour format
15:04 kf oleonard: we would probably need to find a way to deprecate the old one first, if we replaced a lot of the structure? so libraries have some time to adjust to the new templates?
15:06 kf mmm45: it will be possible to do that in 3.12
15:07 kf switch the dateformat
15:07 kf there is a system preference called TimeFormat for that
15:07 kf bug 9014
15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add time due to slips
15:07 kf ah right, yes, that will be in the 3.12 release.
15:07 kf and now I leave :) bye #koha
16:00 reiveune bye
16:01 rambutan As a degreed linguist, I must say that transliteration sucks. For the native speakers/readers of the language, it's typically undecipherable, and requires much the same effort of learning a second language.
16:01 rambutan Additionally, there are many "standard" ways of doing translation, and LoC may do it differently than the native speakers of the language would prefer.
16:03 rambutan PE, FE KDU GEUK LEL!
16:04 rambutan which, of course, a Korean person would look at and say: "What the heck is that" (translated here from the Korean thought to English, of course)
16:07 rambutan where is everybody? was there a netsplit?
16:11 chris_n heya rambutan
16:12 rambutan chris_n!
16:12 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
16:13 chris_n heh, very late at that
16:13 rambutan strange, your nick isn't showing on my participants list. I need a new chat client.
16:13 * chris_n hands rambutan x-chat
16:14 rambutan yea, but I moved off xchat because it doesn't save server/channel connections and it disconnects badly
16:14 chris_n I use bip as a backend for my xchat client
16:14 chris_n seems to improve it a bit
16:15 rambutan I loaded a machine with Mint 14 couple of days ago and saw some new clients in the repos, I'll probably check out some of those.
16:30 rambutan and for amusement only, I recommend the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKATS
16:35 tweetbot [off] twitter: @roganhamby: "@kmlussier is giving the State of Evergreen address. Cross pollination between #egils and #kohails #egconf2013"
16:35 tweetbot [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "@kmlussier gave a shout-out to recent collaboration between #kohails and #egils folks just now. That makes me happy. #egcon2013"
16:41 rambutan well, this is really cool:
16:41 rambutan http://search.cpan.org/~you/Encode-Korean-0.09/lib/Encode/Korean/SKATS.pm
17:53 mmm45 hello
17:53 mmm45 can someone tell me if BiblioDefaultDisplay exist in version 3.10.4
17:53 mmm45 i am looking at the documentation for bug 9534
17:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen
17:54 mmm45 i cannot find the location of BiblioDefaultDisplay. It is only something for 3.12?
17:54 mmm45 to be introduced?
18:11 chris_n python stinks for flexibility
18:11 chris_n no pun intended
18:13 chris_n mmm45: for 3.12
18:35 oleonard This place is like a tomb today.
18:35 * druthb waves at oleonard
18:38 * oleonard isn't really here
19:00 * druthb isn't, either.
19:09 * gmcharlt waves from Vancouver
19:10 * druthb waves at gmcharlt, eh?
19:10 wizzyrea mmm45 that is set in systempreferences
19:10 wizzyrea and it is definitely in 3.10
19:11 gmcharlt druthb: heh -- I'm not sure I *need* to incorporate yet *another* accent into my own ;)
19:12 druthb gmcharlt: of course you do. Then move to Texas and tack on a y'all or ten,
19:13 druthb I thought about, for April Fool's this year, doing an en_TX translation of Koha.
19:14 gmcharlt druthb++
19:14 gmcharlt (and I already caught the y'all bug in Georgia)
19:14 * gmcharlt has even been known to utter "all y'all"
19:15 druthb "An error occurred while trying to process your request." becomes "Uh-oh! Y'all in trouble now! Sumpin ain't right hyar."
19:15 druthb did you use all-y'all correctly?
19:15 * druthb makes squinty eyes at gmcharlt.
19:16 gmcharlt druthb: I did! :)
19:16 druthb Aight.
19:16 * gmcharlt heads out to lunch
19:17 oleonard That would have been quite a time-consuming April Fools joke druthb
19:17 druthb Indeed, oleonard, and my plate is pretty full already, which is why it didn't happen.
19:19 chris_n wizzyera: my 3.10.2 syspref search could not find it
19:19 * chris_n is not sure about .4
19:20 chris_n wizzyrea even
19:25 chris_n fwiw: http://tinyurl.com/bvz9qgw
19:26 oleonard BiblioDefaultView chris_n?
19:26 * chris_n just found that one
19:26 chris_n looks like its mistyped in the bug
19:27 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:28 chris_n and the misspelling is immortalized in master now :-)
19:28 oleonard What bug is this?
19:31 chris_n bug 9534
19:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen
19:41 jcamins Wow. It sure is quiet in here.
19:43 rangi string freeze in 10 days jcamins ?
19:44 jcamins That doesn't seem right.
19:44 jcamins Is it already the 20th?
19:44 jcamins No.
19:44 jcamins It's not.
19:44 jcamins May 1.
19:45 oleonard Hi rangi
19:47 mtompset Spelling is a problem with international versions of English. Is there a particular standard preferred in the default EN installation?
19:47 jcamins US.
19:47 oleonard Yeah, because we're pushy that way
19:47 rangi ahh right
19:47 * mtompset chuckles, "Yes, yes you guys are. :P"
19:47 rangi yeah it was NZ english but I was overruled
19:48 rangi :)
19:48 rangi but i just translate it all anyway
19:48 mtompset Out of curiosity, what is the "correct" way to spell catalogue with an -ing on the end?
19:49 oleonard cataloggging
19:49 rangi cataloguing (but in americanese cataloging)
19:49 jcamins Actually, "cataloguing" is acceptable in US English too.
19:49 jcamins But "catalogue" is not.
19:49 jcamins Go figure.
19:49 druthb "detail-freakin'", in en_TX
19:50 jcamins lol
19:50 * druthb watches the detail-freak^W^Wcataloger laugh
19:50 mtompset Oops... I should have said catalog[ue]. ;)
19:51 mtompset Anyone remember the Apple ][? CATALOG was the equivalent of ls. :)
19:53 oleonard We've made much progress since then, excluding the Windows command line.
19:56 druthb …and excluding Windows Me.
19:57 oleonard I think you mean Windows[odd]
19:57 druthb lol
19:57 oleonard Sorry, that should have been Windows[even]?
19:58 druthb Even, I think. Win 7 wasn't too awful.
19:59 jcamins Windows 2000 was better than '95, though.
19:59 jcamins And '98
19:59 tcohen i had a fine tuned windowsMe box for a while which worked flawlessly
20:00 rangi i skipped that whole windows fad, didnt miss a thing :)
20:00 druthb I had a decent one, too, that served me well for about three years.
20:00 jcamins tcohen: so you stuck a Windows Me sticker on a computer running Linux?
20:00 tcohen upgraded to Mandrake 6.1
20:00 jcamins Good call.
20:00 tcohen heh
20:01 tcohen Mandrake > Debian > Gentoo > Debian > Ubuntu
20:02 rangi Debian > Debian > Gentoo thought wtf is this > Debian > Ubuntu > Debian
20:03 rangi with zx spectrum, and solaris, before that
20:03 rangi oh i had a mac for that year that is best forgotten
20:04 rangi but that was just a really really expensive host for a debian vm
20:04 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "looking forward to doing an intro to #kohails in auckland on monday"
20:05 rangi the best part of that year was going to oleonard's house
20:05 oleonard :)
20:05 rangi and helping nengard move house
20:06 * tcohen still misses Gentoo, just a little
20:07 rangi you can simulate it
20:07 tcohen you mean, keep compiling stuff ?
20:08 rangi jsut install everything with apt-src :)
20:08 tcohen :-D
20:08 tcohen u have a point
20:15 * jcamins is not certain that would work.
20:16 jcamins Isn't one of Gentoo's key features the way everything breaks if you don't recompile every single package whenever you want to update anything?
20:18 maximep so not true =)
20:19 jcamins maximep: sorry, that's Arch, isn't it?
20:19 jcamins :P
20:19 maximep well
20:19 maximep it's a good idea to run revdep-rebuild to check if something is broken :p
20:19 jcamins Actually, I thought Arch was "everything breaks every time you upgrade anything no matter what."
20:19 maximep after each update :p
20:19 maximep Arch is more, break everything by using alpha versions of everything
20:21 maximep couldn't use any other distro. Love my gentoo :D
20:33 * jcamins ponders eliminating modals.
20:36 jcamins If I eliminate modals, Javascript will be that much less necessary.
21:19 mtompset modals?
21:35 cait hi #kohs
21:35 cait #koha
21:39 tcohen_ hi cait
21:39 bgkriegel hi cait
21:39 cait :)
21:40 tcohen_ is it May 22 already?
21:41 bgkriegel release?
21:41 wahanui well, release is the 22nd nz time every month
21:41 tcohen_ exactly
21:42 mtompset Greetings, cait tcohen_ bgkriegel jcamins etc. :)
21:43 bgkriegel hi mtompset
21:43 cait tcohen: we still have some time to fix them all ... the bugs :)
21:50 tcohen_ hmm, my phone took my nickname over
21:51 cait bad phone
21:51 cait :)
21:51 cait or good phone?
21:51 cait maybe too late
21:52 tcohen_ cait: is there an official list of standing bugs?
21:55 cait hm
21:55 cait not a "this must be fixed" one
21:55 cait or official like that
21:55 cait but there is of course bugzilla and you can sort by severity
21:56 tcohen_ is "FIXME NOW" a good source ?
21:56 cait is that a saved list?
21:56 cait let me check
21:56 tcohen_ its blocker+critical
21:57 cait yep a good one
21:57 cait there are probabyl some major ones too
21:59 tcohen_ hmm, pistachios
22:00 cait hmm, chocolate :)
22:04 cait bug 8277
22:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8277 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , item form not always showing when ordering
22:04 cait bug 8368
22:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8368 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , List email broken for non english templates
22:06 tcohen_ the latter ins't a translation scripts problem, right?
22:08 cait not really
22:08 cait we need to replace it with a proper template
22:09 cait it has been done for the cart already
22:09 cait but not for the list
22:09 cait the translation scripts are not made to translate plain text, but html
22:10 tcohen_ i'll take a look
22:10 cait bug 8062 is the one with a possible fix
22:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8062 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Cart email broken for non english templates
22:10 cait tcohen_: that would be cool :)
22:12 cait hm bug 9185 and bug 8684
22:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9185 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate barcode check broken on order receive
22:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8684 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken
22:13 cait and both filed by me... oi.
22:27 Brooke o/
22:29 cait hi Brooke
22:29 Brooke howdy :)
22:37 * Brooke is slightly regretting taking thousands of photos.
22:38 Brooke there's a good RFID overview from Dhaka Digi Services. :) DDS++
22:46 tcohen don't we have SMTP settings in the preferenceS?
22:46 tcohen yet?E
22:49 cait nope
22:49 cait we use the mta from the server
22:49 cait i mean the mta
22:49 cait that is on the server
22:54 tcohen ok, got postfix to send through gmail (from my laptop)
22:59 eythian hi
23:01 tcohen hi eythian
23:04 cait hi eythian
23:11 eythian If only I knew where to find a QA person to look at bug 9250 ...
23:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
23:17 cait hm it's packaging
23:17 cait with a sign-off
23:17 cait wouldn't that be covered by your privileges?
23:17 cait :)
23:18 eythian well, if you think that's the case, I'll pass it :) it doesn't touch anything outside the package directory
23:19 cait what do you think?
23:19 cait I am too tired to think :)
23:20 eythian I just passed it :)
23:21 cait someone needs to take a look at all unimarc and sip related patches. hm.
23:21 cait we clearly have 2 groups there
23:22 tcohen eythian, I'd like to test the packages related docs. Is there a source of up to date data on the koha-create switches usage?
23:22 eythian well, this isn't SIP per se, just some stuff to make it easy to manage from the packages.
23:22 tcohen i had troubles creating instances with an external DB
23:22 eythian tcohen: the man page is probably the best place.
23:23 cait eythian: I know... just talking to myself. we have 2 groups of patches looking a bit stuck right now - unimarc and sip related
23:23 eythian ah right
23:24 eythian tcohen: we run with an external db, basically koha-create --create-db can't work in that case, so you use --request-db, create the db on the server, then use --populate-db to finish it up
23:25 eythian You could also use --use-db.
23:26 tcohen do u belive we could add db related switches to koha-create so all parameters are passed @ command line?
23:27 eythian you also need to have /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf set up to contain the database host you want to use.
23:28 cait tomorrow?
23:28 wahanui somebody said tomorrow was pizza friday! or the day after today.
23:28 eythian many options already are specifiable.
23:28 cait tomorrow is also a mystical land where 99% of all human productivity, motivation and achievement is stored.
23:28 wahanui okay, cait.
23:29 eythian I'm not averse to having more, although I would tend to recommend that the config files remain the main source.
23:29 eythian It could probably do with more documentation though
23:29 eythian also, it wouldn't be trivial to do safely
23:29 eythian because you don't want to put the mysql password on the command line
23:29 tcohen that's my main concern, i see myself as a power user and strugled to get it working
23:30 tcohen (language issues probably)
23:30 eythian I'm not sure if setting up external database servers is documented anywhere.
23:30 tcohen it isnt, but the docs suggest --use-db should be used for that
23:31 tcohen i think i'd add the hostname to the koha/passwd file
23:31 eythian no, the docs specifically suggest that you should use the other options :)
23:32 eythian If the database you want to use does not reside on localhost, you can
23:32 eythian use --request-db and --populate-db, see below.
23:32 eythian the hostname is in the mysql config file as it passes that to mysql to connect.
23:33 eythian ah, there is some docs on the wiki about using a separate server, but it is missing a critical step
23:33 eythian it's not generally a requirement to use the passwd file
23:34 eythian that said, it might be worth putting in there too optionally.
23:36 tcohen i don't have an opinion on the best approach, its just that it wasn't easy as it should have been
23:36 tcohen maybe mixed docs
23:36 tcohen incomplete docs, etc
23:36 eythian yeah, the docs need a cleanup
23:37 tcohen having db switches in koha-create would make it scriptable, thuo
23:38 eythian yeah
23:39 tcohen I did a 38 instances test install, that's the whole thing
23:39 tcohen have my librarians testing 3.12
23:39 eythian nice
23:40 eythian so at the moment it pulls the hostname from the /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf file, and also uses that to connect mysql to the db in localhost setups. So having options that created a temp mysql .cnf file that was used instead might work.
23:41 eythian probably the easiest method, anyway.
23:42 tcohen yes, for the not-already-created-db scenario
23:43 tcohen so, --create-db and --request-db is for non-existent db's. And --use-db for using an already created DB
23:43 eythian I am thinking that it might not be necessary to write out the temp file though. Might be enough to add command line options to the mysql calls.
23:44 eythian that's right, yeah
23:44 tcohen exactly
23:45 tcohen if we added hostname to the passwd file that use case would be covered
23:45 tcohen (--use-db)
23:47 eythian yeah, though if you're doing that, it's worth adding a command line option too. Many people don't use the passwd file.
23:47 tcohen eythian: if we had all that option combinations clearly documented, we could have a bash-completion file too :-D
23:48 eythian that'd be good :)
23:48 tcohen its a pity we live in different timezones
23:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @wizzyrea: "Pretty interesting - no #kohails connector yet http://t.co/6vPRN0li81"
23:50 eythian well, it's been suggested that everyone move to NZ, but apparently some people weren't so keen on the idea for some reason.
23:51 bag bug 9839
23:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9839 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , when importing MARC records, item record not created even when set to "always add"
23:51 bag I need that one QA'd sometime :)
23:54 dcook eythian: I don't know about moving per se, but visits sound nice ;)
23:58 tcohen yes, you're all welcome to argentina, really
23:58 tcohen :-P