Time Nick Message 23:09 * wizzyrea suspects browser incompatibilities 23:09 wizzyrea it's a little glitchy 23:09 rambutan 't display the image correctly for me. They scroll all the way across, but instead of stopping in the center they go almost off screen 23:09 wizzyrea though their background image appears then disappears for me 23:08 rambutan ....oops... 23:08 rambutan site doesn 23:07 wizzyrea doesn't look like it - it says generically "metservice" 23:06 wizzyrea i don't think so 23:06 bag just trying to keep up with the mtjz ;) 23:06 mtj wizzyrea, the weather site looks nice - is it one of yours? 23:06 wizzyrea actually I think koha would look fab with that kind of layout 23:06 bag bagz in da house :) 23:05 mtj hey bagz, wiz 23:01 wizzyrea even though it's a little glitchy on my screen, I thill like how it calls attention to it 23:01 bag heya eythian mtj and wizzyrea 22:55 wizzyrea http://www.iwonderweather.co.nz/ 22:55 wizzyrea I like how they do "browse" with a callout 22:46 mtj ok, now subscribed to wgtn.pm list 22:44 mtj yes yes, good point eythian :) 22:40 eythian yeah, he is. If you got the emails you'd know :) 22:38 * mtj is gonna try to make that one 22:37 mtj thats pretty exciting :p 22:37 mtj haay, i just found out that paul.fenwick is at next weeks perlmongers 22:36 mtj aah, good that you spotted the problem, tho 22:35 eythian oh, it's because they were addressed to 'eythian:'. huginn needs to be smarter about that. 22:34 eythian hmm, I know I have messages in huginn but they're not being told to me 22:33 mtj heya eythian :) 22:33 eythian hi 22:31 mtj . 22:31 mtj set_critic_args(-profile => 'your/koha/perlcriticrc); 22:31 mtj use Test::Perl::Critic::Progressive ( ':all' ); 22:31 mtj i must have overlooked that 22:30 mtj ooh, Test::Perl::Critic::Progressive does allow you to use a different 'perlcriticrc' file than the ~/ default 21:53 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Receiving Orders in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/A4VAM5S9t9" 21:53 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Customizing the display of online resources like eBooks http://t.co/MAuanloBgt" 21:44 cait night all :) 21:38 tcohen my setup must be kindof broken 21:38 tcohen used --profile to point to it worked 21:37 tcohen it seems perlcritic is not using the file 21:34 cait tcohen: if you copy the file form the repo in the right place it should work 21:34 tcohen yeap, but I unit test file i wrote is not passing that critic test 21:34 rangi you want that 21:34 rangi equivalent_modules = Modern::Perl 21:34 rangi [TestingAndDebugging::RequireUseWarnings] 21:34 rangi equivalent_modules = Modern::Perl 21:34 rangi [TestingAndDebugging::RequireUseStrict] 21:34 rangi look in t/perlcriticrc in koha 21:33 rangi it will if you have that in your rc 21:33 tcohen bgkriegel: do u know if perlcriticrc provided by koha-qa.pl git repo is working on taking Modern::Perl as a synonym of strict+warnings? 21:24 alohabot Hi mib_e5dq79, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 21:23 tcohen koha-qa.pl or perlcritic complains of no use strict 21:23 cait use strict and use warnings 21:23 cait I think so 21:23 cait yes 21:22 tcohen use Modern::Perl implies use strict, right? 21:01 huginn senator: Information concerning the immediate successor to the target item (chronological relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase may be generated based on the value in the second indicator position for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8] 21:01 senator @marc 785 20:57 tweetbot ..: http://t.co/0ZxptjlaxL" 20:57 tweetbot [off] twitter: @27point7: "@jsicot updated our #kohails opac. better integration with Summon discovery tool 20:49 kathryn morning cait and rambutan :) 20:48 rambutan morning Kathryn 20:40 cait morning kathryn :) 20:40 kathryn morning :) 20:29 rambutan I haven't found a chat client I like yet. With Thunderbird chat it's very difficult to tell whether you are logged on or not. 20:20 bag HA chris_n++ 20:18 chris_n you passed :) 20:18 rambutan test 19:23 cait so it will show up in my list 19:23 cait ah, I am qa contact already 19:23 bgkriegel :) 19:23 cait :) 19:23 cait I will put it on my testing list 19:23 cait cool ) 19:23 cait thx for contacting me :) 19:23 bgkriegel I have conflicts, I'll rebase and resubmit 19:22 bgkriegel I see on the irc log 19:22 cait that might be the one conflicting now 19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9353 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Missing subfields on MARC21 frameworks 19:22 cait I think I was looking at bug 9353 earlier today 19:22 bgkriegel yes, of course 19:21 cait I will need to update the german frameworks too 19:21 cait maybe if you have no time, you could share the script? 19:21 wahanui an updatedatabase is missing a curly bracket? 19:21 cait and an updatedatabase 19:21 cait bgkriegel: that would be quite cool rally 19:21 bgkriegel to add missing fields/subfileds 19:20 bgkriegel yes, I touched only default framework. I could do the same with the others ... 19:19 cait and FA 19:19 cait not sure how hard that would be 19:19 cait if you did it by script, maybe you could do the optional ones too? 19:19 cait also only the default framework is changed 19:19 bgkriegel could be, i'll check 19:18 cait guss we will se on trying to apply the patch 19:18 cait if those will collide with this one 19:18 cait that were pushed 19:18 cait i wonder.. we had some recent patches adding missing fields 19:18 cait ah 19:18 bgkriegel it checked with loc site, with a script. I think that none is missing 19:17 cait does this include all fields now from the varoius updates to the standard? or is there more that we need to do? 19:17 cait bgkriegel: I wanted to ask you about the state of the updates 19:17 cait bgkriegel: awesome! :) 19:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Default frameworks missing many MARC21 tags 19:16 bgkriegel HI, bug 5858 has all missing "0" in framework 19:16 cait yes? 19:16 wahanui well, cait is qam, not your secretary 19:16 bgkriegel cait? 19:15 wahanui hello, bgkriegel 19:15 bgkriegel Hi 19:06 cait hi bag 19:06 bag heya cait 19:05 cait have a nice evening :) 19:05 tcohen ok cait, see u tomorrow! 19:04 cait in won't look at it tonight, but not sure about the others 19:03 tcohen there's a perlcritic error i think 19:02 cait maybe just make a note? 19:02 tcohen sorry for that, cannot fix ATM as am leaving right now 19:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 19:02 tcohen cait, I forgot to run koha-qa.pl before sending unit tests for bug 9659 18:50 tcohen [] 18:48 tcohen (anonymously) 18:48 tcohen how can I generate an empty array reference? 18:47 cait string freeze is may 1st 18:47 cait we are working through them as fast as we can :) 18:47 cait they are already on the list 18:45 nengard they're all just text changes 18:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 18:45 nengard QA team 1/2 the help files weren't QA'd can that go on someone's list? bug 9850 18:29 cait :) 18:28 alaquerre I'll post it back on the wiki once it's done. 18:28 alaquerre In Canada, we use Marc21... okay then, look like I will look at translate it :-) 18:26 cait alaquerre: I haven't heard anything - french uses are mostly using unimarc I think 18:25 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "ByWater Solutions Welcomes David Noe as a Koha Migrations Specialist http://t.co/mpKH1qIsVA #kohails" 18:25 alaquerre Hi all, we are looking to migrate the RDA framework. Do you know if there is already work done on translation in french ? I know it exist in english. 18:16 cait thx tcohen :) 18:09 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Receiving Orders in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/j3l8MIC5gS #kohails" 17:43 tcohen found a workaround! 17:28 tcohen What's that "Koha timeline" thing? 17:14 * tcohen sends cait good vibes 17:05 cait and too tired 17:04 * cait might be just a bit grumpy about other things 17:00 tcohen hmm 16:55 cait or it feels like they do - and not talking about you of course 16:50 cait because people start focusing on new features again 16:45 oleonard cait: Why? 16:45 * druthb pokes edveal gently. 16:44 druthb beast of a cold front headed our way. 16:44 druthb lordy. 16:44 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Oliver-Eakle, Amarillo, Texas is -1.2°C (11:39 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 16:44 druthb @wunder Amarillo, TX 16:44 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Austin, Texas is 8.2°C (11:31 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 16:44 druthb @wunder austin, TX 16:44 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Royal Brook, Houston, Texas is 25.2°C (11:38 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 16:44 druthb @wunder 77098 16:38 liw release angst? 16:37 * cait feels tmpted to send a gentle reminder to the list that 3.12 is not out of the door yet! 16:21 tcohen this is preventing a cute patch from inclusion 16:20 tcohen anyone? :-P 16:09 tcohen a good soul around? (with unit tests skills heh) 16:09 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.213 pasted "Any clue why the last test doesn't work?" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/466 16:02 oleonard nengard: I see the problem on the page you link to, but not in my system. I would suggest testing in an non-customized system to be sure. 16:01 g_dusseault Ok i will open a ticket on bugzilla 15:55 oleonard g_dusseault: Local cover images in RSS was probably never implemented. 15:55 nengard what do you see? 15:54 nengard oleonard: http://model.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=47961&query_desc=kw,wrdl:%20the%20help 15:54 g_dusseault it looks like local image cover doesnt appear in RSS feed 15:54 g_dusseault the name of the record: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=ccsr&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2 15:53 oleonard g_dusseault: What do you mean 'for "Test local CCSR"' 15:53 oleonard Looks okay to me nengard 15:50 nengard bug 10024 is fixed with a clear cache in master - but not 3.10.4 15:50 g_dusseault for "Test local CCSR" there's a local image that doesnt appear with RSS feed and for "Test CCSR Amazon" there's an image from Amazon who appears 15:50 nengard oleonard, i lied 15:49 g_dusseault Hello! can you look at: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=ccsr&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2 15:47 nengard they were both cause of some old code i guess i was holding on to 15:46 wahanui well, the other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine. 15:46 nengard and the other one 15:46 nengard k you can close that 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10024 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , stars are radio buttons in both themes 15:46 oleonard nengard: Regarding Bug 10024, have you tried clearing your browser cache? 15:30 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', chris_n 15:30 chris_n seen this --> https://www.catincan.com/ 15:30 kf maybe ask jcamins when he is around again? 15:30 kf hm sorry, I don't have much experience writing tests 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 15:23 tcohen i'm struggling with writing the tests fro bug 9659 because of this, the ->mock ->unmock are not working as expected 15:22 kf tcohen: not sure - maybe check the tests that are using mock right now? 15:17 tcohen has anyone successfully used Test::MockModule in a test for inter-dependent modules? like mocking C4::Context which is used by a mocked other lib? 15:10 reiveune bye 14:24 magnuse tcohen++ 14:23 tcohen i'll let the QA team discuss what to do with to-delete tables, and fix accordingly 14:22 kf not very important data.... 14:22 kf I mean, it's stop words 14:21 kf hm 14:21 tcohen the table is unused corrently, not sure 14:21 tcohen i'm not sure we havea way for saving that data during update, or preventing the user about it 14:21 kf or can we just drop? 14:21 kf like create a text file from it? 14:21 kf do we need to backup the data in there somehwere? 14:20 kf ok 14:20 tcohen NoZebra vestiges removal 14:20 kf the nz patch? 14:20 kf ah good :) 14:20 tcohen by the NZ patch 14:20 tcohen it was removed already 14:17 kf tcohen: and remove the pref it wasn't yet I think 14:14 * magnuse would think so 14:13 tcohen kf, should I patch updatedatabase.pl to remove the stopwords table? 14:07 clrh cool 14:06 magnuse clrh: yeah, quite varied weather, but there were some really nice days, so all good! 14:06 clrh hi kf 14:05 * kf waves to clrh 14:04 clrh magnuse: how was you second week in marseille ? a little bit rainy I think 14:03 clrh salut magnuse 14:02 magnuse bonjour clrh 14:00 magnuse ooh 222 should be easy to remember 13:56 huginn druthb: Quote #222: "jcamins: test patches, don't feed trolls." (added by druthb at 07:49 PM, December 07, 2012) 13:56 druthb @quote random 13:55 * druthb blinks 13:54 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:08 AM, November 14, 2009) 13:54 gmcharlt @quote random 13:52 kf tcohen: you can't stop him I think 13:50 tcohen does that test load the data set on its own? 13:50 tcohen dont leave :-D 13:50 tcohen no no jcamins 13:50 * jcamins leaves 13:50 jcamins Yeah, after acq the most unusable part of Koha is the frameworks. 13:49 magnuse marcmustdie! 13:49 jcamins tcohen: it comes with its own dataset. 13:49 kf which means that i don't know how to translate newer fields 13:49 tcohen kf, do u know which is the dataset for t/db_dependent/Search.t 13:49 kf but the official german translation was never updated... 13:49 kf magnuse: they are 13:49 kf if only that wasn't so unpleasant 13:49 magnuse kf: are your marc21 frameworks translated to german? 13:49 kf guess we will have to add some more. ugh 13:48 kf http://www.loc.gov/marc/up8bibliographic/bdapndxg.html 13:48 kf at least I found the marc documentation now 13:48 jcamins Nope, I don't see $0 either. 13:46 kf hehe 13:46 kf as I can't find the $0 subfields 13:46 jcamins Preferably with the exact wording you want. 13:46 kf but now I wonder which updates they processed 13:46 jcamins Remind me when I'm writing release notes. 13:46 jcamins Sure. 13:46 kf not sure where to put it 13:46 kf I was thinking release notes 13:46 jcamins Go ahead. 13:46 kf could we point out somewhere that this is only for enlgish frameworks? 13:45 jcamins Cool. 13:45 kf oh 13:45 kf yep you did 13:45 jcamins Oh, I pushed it? 13:45 kf that's why I am a bit confused right now :( 13:45 huginn 04Bug 9353: minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Missing subfields on MARC21 frameworks 13:45 kf http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9353 13:45 jcamins Oh. 13:45 wahanui i guess passed qa is the queue jcamins should watch 13:45 jcamins Passed QA. 13:45 kf and no, they don't have $0 13:44 kf PQA? 13:44 jcamins Which is probably the answer you wanted. 13:44 jcamins kf: but the revised frameworks are sitting at PQA. 13:44 jcamins ^^ exactly 13:43 magnuse state of denial 13:39 kf it looks like we aremissing all the $0 subfields? 13:39 kf jcamins: hm do you know which state the frameworks in koha are now in? 13:19 druthb I'm speaking mid-morning on the second day of the conference. This is a Good Thing, as by the third day, most everyone is getting a lil run down. It's an intense con. 13:19 kf :) 13:14 magnuse ...the title of druthb's talk, that is :-) 13:14 magnuse the title shows up here: http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/user/9458 13:13 kf it's zebra not having indexed what it's supposed to match on? 13:12 kf the problem olugbenga has 13:12 kf ah :) 13:12 druthb kf; "An Ecological View of a FOSS Community: Koha" 13:11 druthb I know! But this conference is a TED-dish sort of thing…*everything* is quasi-lightning. 13:11 kf ? 13:11 kf hm it doesn't have a title 13:11 * druthb dances around. 13:11 oleonard 20 minutes is too short! 13:10 kf :) 13:10 druthb My talk has been accepted. :) 13:10 druthb http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710 13:09 wahanui hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 13:09 magnuse search rewrite? 13:08 drojf lol 13:07 wahanui the ' is fine ’ isnt 13:07 kf the '? 13:06 jcamins We need some indexing changes. 13:06 jcamins oleonard: unfortunately, yes. 13:06 oleonard Is it to be expected that a search for "Lets go for a drive" doesn't return the title "Let's go for a drive" in the first page of results? 13:05 drojf hi marcelr and tcohen 12:51 marcelr hi drojf 12:51 tcohen hi drojf 12:50 drojf hi #koha 12:50 kf hi tcohen 12:39 tcohen ok, thanks jcamins 12:39 jcamins They're the same thus far. 12:39 tcohen need 3.11* 12:39 jcamins Yes. 12:38 tcohen it is pulling 3.13* packages 12:37 wahanui it has been said that squeeze-dev is master 12:37 jcamins squeeze-dev 12:36 tcohen i need to keep my testing site updating to the latest 3.12 snapshots, what's the repo? 12:35 tcohen hi kf 12:33 wahanui i guess morning is a state of cat 12:33 tcohen morning 12:14 kf hi oleonard++ :) 12:13 marcelr hi oleonard 12:12 oleonard Hey #koha 12:03 kf morning jcamins :) 12:00 jcamins Ah. Someone sent a message to the list asking why labels with UNIMARC were broken, I think. 12:00 paul_p jcamins (sorry, i've missed the ML, I just answered a "later tell paul_p") 11:59 jcamins paul_p: whichever version of Koha is mentioned in the mailing list thread on the issue, probably. 11:53 huginn paul_p: The operation succeeded. 11:53 paul_p @later tell chris_n, which version of koha, which context (your question is a little bit general i'm afraid) 11:52 huginn paul_p: The operation succeeded. 11:52 paul_p @later tell chris_n, nope I haven't had any feedback about a problem with labels in unimarc 11:51 paul_p hi kf & others 11:51 kf hi paul_p 11:50 kf but we have others as well - like oleonard :) 11:50 * jcamins didn't think so either. 11:50 kf probably not 11:49 jcamins Is this surprising? 11:44 kf enough bugs out there to fix 11:44 kf people rebasing their new feature now seems bad timing 11:44 * kf sighs 11:43 * marcelr waves back 11:42 * kf waves to marcelr 11:29 marcelr hi koha 11:14 * magnuse waves to nengard, then wanders off to find lunch 10:38 gaetan_B see you later :) 10:25 kf sleep well :) 10:25 * rangi wanders off to bed 10:14 kf I think I marked it 3.14? I wanted to 10:14 kf yep 10:14 kf no sense to delete things right now 10:14 rangi way too dangerous to do now 10:14 rangi definitely 10:14 kf it's for 3.14 anyway I think 10:13 kf rangi: borrowers would be easy, was not sure about ethnicity - should probably be an authorized value 10:13 rangi that would be worse 10:13 rangi code wont match the schema then 10:13 wizzyrea crazy idea, maybe just leave it off of new installs? 10:13 rangi its just a text field 10:12 kf because I am not sure how it used to work 10:12 kf all information into patron attributes that is 10:12 kf but we will have to check - not sure if you can map it 10:12 kf I didn't think about deleting it when there is something .) 10:12 kf i thought about leaving it alone 10:11 rangi there is no if possible :) we simply cant delete libraries data in an upgrade 10:11 rangi i added stronger words :) 10:09 kf i added that to the bug :) 10:08 kf okok :) 10:08 rangi but if the patch simply drops the column wihtout checking its empty ill be more than grumpy 10:08 * kf hides 10:07 kf they display nicely and have lots of options 10:07 rangi its all ok 10:07 rangi as long as the patch includes a check the columns are all empty and if not migrates the data to extended attributes 10:07 kf patron attributes are pretty neat now 10:07 wizzyrea the one I was thinking of was one he'd probably defend, so if he says it's alright it probably is 10:06 magnuse hehe 10:06 kf so maybe it's safe 10:06 kf I think.... 10:06 kf wizzyrea: I asked rangi and he didn't get grumpy 10:04 wizzyrea anyway, not gonna look into it now :) 10:04 wizzyrea some places do use it though, i'm almost certain 10:03 magnuse does anyone know what that was? 09:59 kf more worried about the notifys one 09:59 kf at least since 3.2 09:59 kf for a while 09:59 kf wizzyrea: not sure it will - it seems you are not able to use it 09:59 magnuse and if there is no way in the interface to use those things any longer, why would anyone complain? 09:59 magnuse yup 09:54 wizzyrea but I supose i people want to track it they can use borrower attributes 09:54 wizzyrea i suspect 10020 will met some resistance. 09:54 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.1°C (11:50 AM CEST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 09:54 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:54 kf ooh :) 09:53 magnuse nah, just cheering from the sidelines :-) 09:53 kf magnuse: volunteering? :) 09:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10020 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove old code related to 'ethnicity' 09:53 magnuse yay for bug 10020 09:43 alohabot Hi mib_zj875e, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 08:59 kf ah 08:59 rangi thats what i give that 08:59 * wizzyrea needs a mojito after that 08:58 rangi 7% 08:58 ashu ok ok thanks and good bye 08:58 wizzyrea cool bye 08:58 wizzyrea it's taking a very long time to download for me 08:58 ashu thanks i receive good bye 08:57 ashu i receive this massage " you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail" 08:57 ashu you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail i also try it on chrome browser 08:57 wizzyrea it is a huge file 08:56 gaetan_B yes, didn't sleep much though ! ;) 08:56 kf hi gaetan_B - arrived well? 08:56 ashu you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail 08:55 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 08:55 wizzyrea from here 08:55 wizzyrea http://es.koha-community.org/manual/files/3.10.x/en/manual.pdf 08:54 wizzyrea i thought nengard was generating those 08:54 wizzyrea guess there is no pdf then 08:54 wizzyrea we heard you ;) 08:54 ashu i click on 3.10 Manual (English) [PDF] and open this link which i can;t download pdf file http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/ 08:53 gaetan_B rozh bash everyone ;) 08:53 ashu i click on 3.10 Manual (English) [PDF] and open this link which i can;t download pdf file http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/ 08:53 gaetan_B rangi: hi :) yes just starting the installation work ! 08:53 rangi gaetan_B: you are in kurdistan now? 08:52 wizzyrea there should be a pdf, yes 08:52 ashu can i completely downlaod manual 3.10 in my pc ? 08:51 wizzyrea 3.10 08:51 ashu u suggest me the link of downlaod koha and i download 50 mb something file. which version is this ? 08:51 wizzyrea 3.12 isn't out yet, so currently it will be 3.10 08:50 ashu which is the latest version of koha ? 3.10 or 3.12 ? 08:49 kf best you start with the manual to get an overview of the features and options 08:49 wizzyrea :) 08:49 kf that is a too complicated question to answer here 08:49 wahanui i heard manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 08:49 wizzyrea manual? 08:49 ashu how can i configure koha OPAC ? 08:48 wizzyrea give it a go :) 08:48 kf yes, koha has an OPAC 08:48 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/demo/ 08:47 ashu is koha has OPAC ? 08:47 rangi ashu: have you configured and maintained a linux server before? 08:46 wizzyrea http://www.debian.org/distrib/ 08:45 kf_mtg no meeting 08:45 kf_mtg ok 08:45 huginn rangi: Debian -- The Universal Operating System: <http://www.debian.org/>; Debian -- Getting Debian: <http://www.debian.org/distrib/>; Debian on CDs: <http://www.debian.org/CD/>; Debian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian>; DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux: <http://distrowatch.com/debian>; The Debian Project (debian) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/debian>; (1 more message) 08:45 rangi @google debian 08:45 ashu is debian free os ? if yes where can i download ? 08:44 ashu is it working on both bit of debian (32 or 64) ??? 08:44 wizzyrea yes 08:43 ashu is it working on both bit of debian (32 or 64) 08:43 wizzyrea like redhat, but not redhat 08:43 wizzyrea debian is a linux distribution 08:42 wahanui i heard debian was what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 08:42 ashu what is debian ? 08:41 wahanui debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 08:41 ashu what is debian ? 08:41 wizzyrea it will work, but it will be easier on debian 08:41 ashu is this file working on linux redhat 5.0 ? 08:40 ashu in this link i download koha-latest.tar.gz (50 mb file) 08:39 wizzyrea (which is still linux) 08:39 rangi you need a linux server, either as a virtual machine on some other host (could be windows) or a physical machine for the server, but then as wizzyrea says the client can be aanything that runs a web browser 08:39 wizzyrea but the server runs on linux (or in a virtual machine on windows) 08:39 wizzyrea it is a web application, you can use it on any platform 08:38 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 08:38 ashu it is work on windows xp or later ? 08:38 rangi linux server admin ones primarily 08:38 ashu which types of skills i need ? 08:38 wizzyrea ! 08:38 * kf hides 08:37 kf i think we shoudl change the numbering 08:37 wizzyrea why kf? 08:37 kf having 5 numbers now for bug codes is very irritating 08:37 ashu it is work on windows xp or later ? 08:36 rangi if you have the skills needed yes 08:36 wizzyrea yep 08:36 wizzyrea where cost = licensing fees 08:36 ashu can i use it for my school absolutely free ? 08:36 rangi its free software, under the GNU definition of free software (sometimes called open source software by others) 08:36 wizzyrea free in cost and free as in freedom. 08:36 wizzyrea it is free software 08:35 ashu is koha freeware software ? 08:35 wizzyrea hi 08:35 wahanui hey, ashu 08:35 ashu hi 08:35 wizzyrea also we have been neglecting random food friday :) 08:34 wizzyrea word. 08:34 rangi we should have mojito oclock 08:34 rangi yes 08:34 wizzyrea we should strive to have more 08:34 wizzyrea we don't have enough mojitos rangi 08:34 rangi and read books 08:34 wizzyrea ^^^ 08:34 rangi i want them to do my job so i can drink mojitos 08:33 wizzyrea not that w want to do that.. 08:33 wizzyrea there's always time to demoralise them later ^.^ 08:33 wizzyrea where you fix it up and show them how it should be 08:33 wizzyrea anyway, yea it might be nice to be a little more welcoming to new people - at least one or two free passes. 08:31 kf rangi++ :) 08:25 magnuse rangi++ for looking out for new recruits :-) 08:25 wizzyrea he was kind enough to add it 08:24 wizzyrea when trea forgot to add a test plan 08:24 wizzyrea i liked the one gmcharlt did 08:24 wizzyrea oh right 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9671 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , fines.pl cronjob help lists wrong values for finesmode syspref 08:24 rangi bug 9671 08:23 wizzyrea that's "which bug" 08:23 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot which 08:23 wizzyrea forget which 08:23 wahanui i guess which is a blocker if it is true bug 08:23 wizzyrea oh which? 08:23 * kf agrees 08:22 rangi i think we need to work on that as a group 08:22 rangi just bumped into another example of not being as welcoming as we could/should be to new developers 08:21 magnuse ? 08:21 rangi hmm 07:54 drojf heh i doubt it 07:53 kf it probably does, guess it's me 07:53 kf hm no 07:51 drojf two different "normdatentypen", like mytopics1 and mytopics2. if i would repeat 650, i could still only have one of them linked for 650. i think. does that make sense? 07:47 kf but what do you mean with sets? 07:46 kf 650 is repeatable 07:46 kf hm? 07:45 drojf if i have two sets of authories for topical terms and put one into marc 650… what do i do with the other? 07:43 kf moin drojf 07:43 drojf moin kf 07:23 dcook Ta kf and all! 07:23 kf have fun 07:23 dcook Yoga! 07:23 dcook Hmm, out of time 07:19 dcook But is there any function for $limit_desc? :S 07:19 dcook $limit is used in the SQL 07:19 dcook hey ya kf :) 07:19 kf :) 07:19 kf heya 07:19 dcook Looks like $limit_cgi is added to the query string.. 07:18 dcook Does anyone have a quick explanation of $limit, $limit_cgi, and $limit_desc in buildQuery in Search.pm? 07:17 dcook hey chirstophe_c 07:15 christophe_c hello koha 07:06 drojf hi dcook 07:06 dcook allo drojf 07:04 drojf and good morning #koha 07:04 drojf hei magnuse 07:03 magnuse moin drojf 06:48 huginn 04Bug 9918: major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Packaging updates for 3.12 06:48 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 06:48 magnuse @later tell eythian: my original comment was on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9918 06:44 cait hi all and bbl :) 06:42 reiveune hello 06:41 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 06:41 magnuse @later tell eythian: i did not report a bug for the version in build-git-snapshot, i just added it as a comment on some other bug 06:20 cait cait doesn't do it really well... no secret about it 06:19 magnuse hehe 06:19 dcook I still have yoga to go to tonight. Let's hope I don't fall asleep part way through... 06:19 dcook I don't know how cait does this waking up early thing 06:18 dcook Bed is wonderful... 06:18 magnuse hm, maybe i should take that as a sign to get back to bed? 06:18 dcook hehe 06:18 * magnuse waves to dcook 06:18 magnuse gah! 06:18 * magnuse waves to magnuse 06:17 * dcook waves to magnuse 06:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is -2.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 06:13 magnuse @wunder boo 06:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10018 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Building version update for master/3.13 06:12 magnuse eythian++ for bug 10018 06:11 * magnuse waves 05:41 dcook I never knew Adobe was so rigid about how to link to them 05:41 dcook http://www.adobe.com/misc/linking.html#linking 05:37 dcook Wouldn't be if he had gone for that orbital laser 05:37 eythian He's probably still working on it 05:35 * dcook is curious now about whether or not jcamins ever opened the coconut too 05:22 cait my dad wouldn't have let me move out without a toolbox and a hammer... hammer in the right spots works well 05:20 * cait wonders if jcamins managed to open the coconut? 05:15 dcook Actually, I think I woke up at 5:30, but crawled out of bed at 6:30 05:15 dcook I actually got up at 6:30 today, so I'll stop telling you to go to bed ;) 05:15 cait hi dcook :) 05:14 * dcook waves to cait 05:13 cait not today :) it's 7 05:13 cait nope 05:13 cait lol 05:13 cait hi eythian :) 05:13 eythian go back to bed. 05:13 eythian hi cait. 05:12 cait morning #koha 03:33 jcamins *anything on the modal, like a form 03:33 jcamins Bootstrap seems to have been specifically designed so that you can't combine functionalities. If you have a modal, you can't have anything on the form. 03:31 jcamins I think every Javascript developer had to sign something swearing to design everything stupidly. 03:27 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:27 eythian wahanui: I have no idea is <reply>¯(°_o)/¯ 03:27 cjh doesn't have to be global, can be an attribute on anything that is set in the accept callback. 03:24 jcamins Stupid, stupid, stupid. 03:24 jcamins I guess you set a global flag. 03:24 jcamins cjh: yeah, but what about enter and escape? 03:22 cjh jcamins: you can bind callbacks to each button 03:18 eythian surely not 03:10 jcamins There's seemingly no way to find out if the modal was cancelled or accepted. 03:09 jcamins The bootstrap designers didn't quite think through their modal functionality. 03:09 jcamins Wow... 02:54 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 02:54 eythian @later tell tcohen master/3.13 packages uploaded 02:40 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 02:40 eythian @later tell magnuse bug 10018 fixes the b-g-s help text version, but I can't find the original bug you reported it in. 02:11 dcook That wasn't in relation to you :p 02:11 dcook hi alex_a_ 02:10 * dcook twitches 02:09 jcamins We have one person who complains about Koha not being written in Java. 02:08 dcook I suppose I've never met anyone who said they actually like Java 02:08 dcook Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way ^_^ 02:07 dcook I did think about adding to the list, but I figured that would be too much typing ;) 02:06 jcamins Everything about Java is a pain. :P 02:04 dcook Correction. Compiling Java is a pain. 02:02 dcook Java is a pain... 02:02 * dcook is glad that Koha is written in Perl 01:23 jcamins Heh. 01:23 dcook Well, Manoosh hasn't poisoned me yet, so I suspect they use the non-poison variety with their za'atar 01:22 dcook O_O 01:22 jcamins The non-poison variety. 01:21 dcook Mmm sumac 00:48 jcamins Sumac and tarragon. 00:48 jcamins I decided to go classic. 00:45 jcamins Other than turmeric and garlic, which I already put in. 00:43 jcamins What should i put in the yogurt dressing? 00:39 jcamins I should have bought two bunches of broccoli. 00:34 dcook Mmm, could really go for some coconut chocolate now... 00:33 dcook I think plates and such were fairly common 00:33 dcook I think there used to be a place in the US where you could pay to smash things 00:32 wizzyrea oh true 00:32 dcook Of course, terracotta might give the best sound 00:32 dcook hehe 00:30 jcamins Probably. 00:29 jcamins lol 00:29 wizzyrea coconuts probably being the least expensive of the three 00:29 wizzyrea possible targets of smashing include: keyboards, drywall, coconuts. 00:29 jcamins Yeah, but becoming one with the reality that I live within three feet of forty other people gets in the way with the first epiphany. 00:28 jcamins lol 00:28 wizzyrea perhaps becoming one with your manly desire to smash things would be good for you. 00:28 jcamins But I really wanted coconut. 00:27 * jcamins doesn't like smashing things. 00:24 dcook Not so great for writing essays :p 00:24 wizzyrea :P 00:24 wizzyrea 17 is about perfect for sleeping. 00:24 dcook I once had a roommate that kept our apartment at 17 00:23 dcook No, but it's chilly enough 00:23 wizzyrea 14 is not the worst temp ever. 00:23 dcook O_o 00:23 dcook ...aircon? 00:23 wizzyrea i'm freezing because the aircon in here is overzealous. 00:23 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 00:23 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 00:23 dcook Oh... 00:23 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 00:23 dcook @wunder wellington 00:22 wizzyrea so instead it just makes me happy :) 00:21 wizzyrea if I wasn't freezing. 00:21 wizzyrea which could equal sleepy 00:21 wizzyrea sun like this makes me waarm 00:20 dcook Plus, who doesn't like smashing things? 00:20 dcook I think my local master chef wanted to use coconut, and she was busy 00:20 eythian sun like that makes me sleepy 00:20 dcook Noticed a few people with umbrellas today. Wanted to say, "enjoy the warmth of the sun while you can!!!" 00:20 wizzyrea because you wanted coconut. 00:20 dcook Mmm sun 00:19 * dcook tries to remember why he split open a coconut last time 00:19 * wizzyrea is thoroughly enjoying this sunbeam that is on her back 00:19 dcook coconut dinner! 00:19 wizzyrea you should eat coconut for dinner. 00:19 jcamins I should do that. 00:19 jcamins Hey, it's 8:15 and I have spent the last half hour trying to open a coconut instead of making dinner. 00:19 wizzyrea I stepped on his toes once, you'd think the world ended. 00:18 * wizzyrea feels terrible guilt if she even bumps into kiddo, cannot imagine how awful she would feel if she actually got his fingers stuck in a car door 00:18 jcamins lol 00:18 wizzyrea >.< 00:18 dcook Usually 00:18 dcook Fortunately, the hospital was on the way 00:17 wizzyrea OMGFINGERS 00:17 wizzyrea okhesinthecarGOGOGO 00:17 dcook That would perhaps explain why it stopped happening after I got older... ;) 00:17 wizzyrea perhaps you had impatient parents 00:17 * dcook was the emergency room child. Car doors did not like the feet and hands of dcook. 00:16 * wizzyrea avoids getting her hand caught in cracks as a general rule 00:16 wizzyrea When the coconut begins to crack it may quickly split open and then close again before it breaks. Be careful not to get any part of your hand caught in the crack (ouch!). 00:16 wizzyrea turn and whack. 00:16 jcamins It's still not open. 00:16 jcamins Hm. 00:15 jcamins lol 00:15 jcamins That was easy. 00:15 wizzyrea Never try to bite open a coconut. It will not open it and will break your teeth. 00:15 jcamins I already drained it. 00:15 jcamins lol 00:15 wizzyrea kek. 00:15 wizzyrea Don't put the nut in the oven with the water inside. It might explode if it is left for too long and the water ferments. 00:14 wizzyrea as good an idea as any 00:14 wizzyrea "wrap it in a towel and hit it with a hammer" 00:13 trea ooo 00:13 wizzyrea $15 at the asian market? Sign me up! 00:13 dcook I was starting to think the article was a gag at that point 00:13 dcook I was wondering what that was, wizzyrea 00:13 wizzyrea a coconut shredder 00:13 dcook not to be confused with captain_hammer, corporate tool. 00:12 wizzyrea http://pad1.whstatic.com/images/thumb/1/19/AsianUtensil-4.jpg/550px-AsianUtensil-4.jpg 00:12 * wizzyrea totally needs one of these 00:12 dcook hammer++ 00:12 dcook :D 00:12 jcamins However, the hammer seems like it might be working. 00:12 * dcook thinks he has photos on FB... 00:12 jcamins We have a cheap plastic liner. 00:12 dcook Plus, it's a pretty solid steel tub 00:12 dcook Just enough to create and spread fissures 00:12 dcook But I wasn't hitting it too too hard 00:11 dcook I used the tub 00:11 jcamins Yeah. 00:11 dcook Although smashing the tile is sub-optimal.. 00:11 jcamins dcook: hmmm... 00:11 jcamins *have 00:11 dcook bathroom tile? 00:11 dcook liw++ 00:10 jcamins And I hate cheap wood floors. 00:10 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't even have a counter that is affixed properly to the cabinets. 00:10 wizzyrea hi liw :) 00:10 wizzyrea i like the corkscrew and plastic bag smash method as well 00:10 * liw suggests an orbital laser cannon 00:09 wizzyrea don't you have stone counters? 00:09 wizzyrea oh, or tap/rotate on a solid edge 00:09 dcook Well...in a non-desirable way I mean 00:09 dcook Wouldn't heating/freezing screw with the integrity of the fresh coconut? 00:09 jcamins Per the heating/freezing method. 00:09 dcook Admittedly, their knife looks rather impressive 00:08 jcamins Then I'll freeze it. 00:08 wizzyrea yea a cleaver might work better 00:08 jcamins I'll try holding it and whacking it with a hammer. 00:08 jcamins Maybe the problem is that my knife was too wimpy. 00:08 wizzyrea hrm 00:08 jcamins Round and round and round. 00:08 jcamins Yep. 00:08 jcamins But then some other instructions make it look like you should be hitting it parallel to the fibers. 00:08 wizzyrea whack and rotate tho? 00:07 jcamins Yeah, that's where I was whacking the coconut. 00:07 jcamins That's what I'm reading now. 00:07 wizzyrea that is the best place to wahck 00:07 wizzyrea there's a specific spot, the meridian of the cocount 00:07 dcook That seems preposterous 00:07 wizzyrea http://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Coconut 00:07 dcook O_o 00:07 jcamins No idea. 00:07 wizzyrea were you whacking in the right spot? 00:07 jcamins the instructions are to whack it with the back of the knife. 00:06 jcamins No, not cutting... 00:06 wizzyrea the back of the knife 00:06 jcamins dcook: I suspect because I'm not able to exert enough force. 00:06 dcook You should be able to cut through at least 1/2-1 inch 00:06 dcook Why didn't the knife work? 00:06 dcook Hmm 00:05 jcamins I tried following the instructions for using a heavy knife, and that didn't work, which means I need something very solid to brace the coconut against. 00:05 dcook I didn't have a hammer... 00:05 dcook Then bashed the hard shell with a brick 00:05 dcook Last time, I used a knife to cut off the relatively soft outside 00:04 dcook I suggest a combination 00:04 jcamins I thought about that, but I don't really feel like going outside to whack a coconut with the hammer. 00:04 wizzyrea hammer. 00:04 * jcamins contemplates just pulling out the saw. 00:03 wizzyrea they are irritating aren't they 00:03 jcamins Not as easy as one might wish. 00:02 jcamins Coconuts.