Time  Nick         Message
23:09 * wizzyrea   suspects browser incompatibilities
23:09 wizzyrea     it's a little glitchy
23:09 rambutan     't display the image correctly for me. They scroll all the way across, but instead of stopping in the center they go almost off screen
23:09 wizzyrea     though their background image appears then disappears for me
23:08 rambutan     ....oops...
23:08 rambutan     site doesn
23:07 wizzyrea     doesn't look like it - it says generically "metservice"
23:06 wizzyrea     i don't think so
23:06 bag          just trying to keep up with the mtjz ;)
23:06 mtj          wizzyrea, the weather site looks nice - is it one of yours?
23:06 wizzyrea     actually I think koha would look fab with that kind of layout
23:06 bag          bagz in da house :)
23:05 mtj          hey bagz, wiz
23:01 wizzyrea     even though it's a little glitchy on my screen, I thill like how it calls attention to it
23:01 bag          heya eythian mtj and wizzyrea
22:55 wizzyrea     http://www.iwonderweather.co.nz/
22:55 wizzyrea     I like how they do "browse" with a callout
22:46 mtj          ok, now subscribed to wgtn.pm list
22:44 mtj          yes yes, good point eythian :)
22:40 eythian      yeah, he is. If you got the emails you'd know :)
22:38 * mtj        is gonna try to make that one
22:37 mtj          thats pretty exciting :p
22:37 mtj          haay, i just found out that paul.fenwick is at next weeks perlmongers
22:36 mtj          aah, good that you spotted the problem, tho
22:35 eythian      oh, it's because they were addressed to 'eythian:'. huginn needs to be smarter about that.
22:34 eythian      hmm, I know I have messages in huginn but they're not being told to me
22:33 mtj          heya eythian :)
22:33 eythian      hi
22:31 mtj          .
22:31 mtj          set_critic_args(-profile => 'your/koha/perlcriticrc);
22:31 mtj          use Test::Perl::Critic::Progressive ( ':all' );
22:31 mtj          i must have overlooked that
22:30 mtj          ooh, Test::Perl::Critic::Progressive does allow you to use a different 'perlcriticrc' file than the ~/ default
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21:44 cait         night all :)
21:38 tcohen       my setup must be kindof broken
21:38 tcohen       used --profile to point to it worked
21:37 tcohen       it seems perlcritic is not using the file
21:34 cait         tcohen: if you copy the file form the repo in the right place it should work
21:34 tcohen       yeap, but I unit test file i wrote is not passing that critic test
21:34 rangi        you want that
21:34 rangi        equivalent_modules = Modern::Perl
21:34 rangi        [TestingAndDebugging::RequireUseWarnings]
21:34 rangi        equivalent_modules = Modern::Perl
21:34 rangi        [TestingAndDebugging::RequireUseStrict]
21:34 rangi        look in t/perlcriticrc in koha
21:33 rangi        it will if you have that in your rc
21:33 tcohen       bgkriegel: do u know if perlcriticrc provided by koha-qa.pl git repo is working on taking Modern::Perl as a synonym of strict+warnings?
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21:23 tcohen       koha-qa.pl or perlcritic complains of no use strict
21:23 cait         use strict and use warnings
21:23 cait         I think so
21:23 cait         yes
21:22 tcohen       use Modern::Perl implies use strict, right?
21:01 huginn       senator: Information concerning the immediate successor to the target item (chronological relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase may be generated based on the value in the second indicator position for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8]
21:01 senator      @marc 785
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20:49 kathryn      morning cait and rambutan :)
20:48 rambutan     morning Kathryn
20:40 cait         morning kathryn :)
20:40 kathryn      morning :)
20:29 rambutan     I haven't found a chat client I like yet. With Thunderbird chat it's very difficult to tell whether you are logged on or not.
20:20 bag          HA chris_n++
20:18 chris_n      you passed :)
20:18 rambutan     test
19:23 cait         so it will show up in my list
19:23 cait         ah, I am qa contact already
19:23 bgkriegel    :)
19:23 cait         :)
19:23 cait         I will put it on my testing list
19:23 cait         cool )
19:23 cait         thx for contacting me :)
19:23 bgkriegel    I have conflicts, I'll rebase and resubmit
19:22 bgkriegel    I see on the irc log
19:22 cait         that might be the one conflicting now
19:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9353 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Missing subfields on MARC21 frameworks
19:22 cait         I think I was looking at bug 9353 earlier today
19:22 bgkriegel    yes, of course
19:21 cait         I will need to update the german frameworks too
19:21 cait         maybe if you have no time, you could share the script?
19:21 wahanui      an updatedatabase is missing a curly bracket?
19:21 cait         and an updatedatabase
19:21 cait         bgkriegel: that would be quite cool rally
19:21 bgkriegel    to add missing fields/subfileds
19:20 bgkriegel    yes, I touched only default framework. I could do the same with the others ...
19:19 cait         and FA
19:19 cait         not sure how hard that would be
19:19 cait         if you did it by script, maybe you could do the optional ones too?
19:19 cait         also only the default framework is changed
19:19 bgkriegel    could be, i'll check
19:18 cait         guss we will se on trying to apply the patch
19:18 cait         if those will collide with this one
19:18 cait         that were pushed
19:18 cait         i wonder.. we had some recent patches adding missing fields
19:18 cait         ah
19:18 bgkriegel    it checked with loc site, with a script. I think that none is missing
19:17 cait         does this include all fields now from the varoius updates to the standard? or is there more that we need to do?
19:17 cait         bgkriegel: I wanted to ask you about the state of the updates
19:17 cait         bgkriegel: awesome! :)
19:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Default frameworks missing many MARC21 tags
19:16 bgkriegel    HI, bug 5858 has all missing "0" in framework
19:16 cait         yes?
19:16 wahanui      well, cait is qam, not your secretary
19:16 bgkriegel    cait?
19:15 wahanui      hello, bgkriegel
19:15 bgkriegel    Hi
19:06 cait         hi bag
19:06 bag          heya cait
19:05 cait         have a nice evening :)
19:05 tcohen       ok cait, see u tomorrow!
19:04 cait         in won't look at it tonight, but not sure about the others
19:03 tcohen       there's a perlcritic error i think
19:02 cait         maybe just make a note?
19:02 tcohen       sorry for that, cannot fix ATM as am leaving right now
19:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports
19:02 tcohen       cait, I forgot to run koha-qa.pl before sending unit tests for bug 9659
18:50 tcohen       []
18:48 tcohen       (anonymously)
18:48 tcohen       how can I generate an empty array reference?
18:47 cait         string freeze is may 1st
18:47 cait         we are working through them as fast as we can :)
18:47 cait         they are already on the list
18:45 nengard      they're all just text changes
18:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update
18:45 nengard      QA team 1/2 the help files weren't QA'd can that go on someone's list? bug 9850
18:29 cait         :)
18:28 alaquerre    I'll post it back on the wiki once it's done.
18:28 alaquerre    In Canada, we use Marc21...  okay then, look like I will look at translate it :-)
18:26 cait         alaquerre: I haven't heard anything - french uses are mostly using unimarc I think
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18:25 alaquerre    Hi all, we are looking to migrate the RDA framework.  Do you know if there is already work done on translation in french ?  I know it exist in english.
18:16 cait         thx tcohen :)
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17:43 tcohen       found a workaround!
17:28 tcohen       What's that "Koha timeline" thing?
17:14 * tcohen     sends cait good vibes
17:05 cait         and too tired
17:04 * cait       might be just a bit grumpy about other things
17:00 tcohen       hmm
16:55 cait         or it feels like they do - and not talking about you of course
16:50 cait         because people start focusing on new features again
16:45 oleonard     cait: Why?
16:45 * druthb     pokes edveal gently.
16:44 druthb       beast of a cold front headed our way.
16:44 druthb       lordy.
16:44 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Oliver-Eakle, Amarillo, Texas is -1.2°C (11:39 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
16:44 druthb       @wunder Amarillo, TX
16:44 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Austin, Texas is 8.2°C (11:31 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
16:44 druthb       @wunder austin, TX
16:44 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Royal Brook, Houston, Texas is 25.2°C (11:38 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Rising).
16:44 druthb       @wunder 77098
16:38 liw          release angst?
16:37 * cait       feels tmpted to send a gentle reminder to the list that 3.12 is not out of the door yet!
16:21 tcohen       this is preventing a cute patch from inclusion
16:20 tcohen       anyone? :-P
16:09 tcohen       a good soul around? (with unit tests skills heh)
16:09 pastebot     "tcohen" at 172.16.248.213 pasted "Any clue why the last test doesn't work?" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/466
16:02 oleonard     nengard: I see the problem on the page you link to, but not in my system. I would suggest testing in an non-customized system to be sure.
16:01 g_dusseault  Ok i will open a ticket on bugzilla
15:55 oleonard     g_dusseault: Local cover images in RSS was probably never implemented.
15:55 nengard      what do you see?
15:54 nengard      oleonard: http://model.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=47961&query_desc=kw,wrdl:%20the%20help
15:54 g_dusseault  it looks like local image cover doesnt appear in RSS feed
15:54 g_dusseault  the name of the record: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=ccsr&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2
15:53 oleonard     g_dusseault: What do you mean 'for "Test local CCSR"'
15:53 oleonard     Looks okay to me nengard
15:50 nengard      bug 10024 is fixed with a clear cache in master - but not 3.10.4
15:50 g_dusseault  for "Test local CCSR" there's a local image that doesnt appear with RSS feed and for "Test CCSR Amazon" there's an image from Amazon who appears
15:50 nengard      oleonard, i lied
15:49 g_dusseault  Hello! can you look at: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=ccsr&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2
15:47 nengard      they were both cause of some old code i guess i was holding on to
15:46 wahanui      well, the other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine.
15:46 nengard      and the other one
15:46 nengard      k you can close that
15:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10024 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , stars are radio buttons in both themes
15:46 oleonard     nengard: Regarding Bug 10024, have you tried clearing your browser cache?
15:30 wahanui      I haven't seen 'this', chris_n
15:30 chris_n      seen this --> https://www.catincan.com/
15:30 kf           maybe ask jcamins when he is around again?
15:30 kf           hm sorry, I don't have much experience writing tests
15:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports
15:23 tcohen       i'm struggling with writing the tests fro bug 9659 because of this, the ->mock ->unmock are not working as expected
15:22 kf           tcohen: not sure - maybe check the tests that are using mock right now?
15:17 tcohen       has anyone successfully used Test::MockModule in a test for inter-dependent modules? like mocking C4::Context which is used by a mocked other lib?
15:10 reiveune     bye
14:24 magnuse      tcohen++
14:23 tcohen       i'll let the QA team discuss what to do with to-delete tables, and fix accordingly
14:22 kf           not very important data....
14:22 kf           I mean, it's stop words
14:21 kf           hm
14:21 tcohen       the table is unused corrently, not sure
14:21 tcohen       i'm not sure we havea way for saving that data during update, or preventing the user about it
14:21 kf           or can we just drop?
14:21 kf           like create a text file from it?
14:21 kf           do we need to backup the data in there somehwere?
14:20 kf           ok
14:20 tcohen       NoZebra vestiges removal
14:20 kf           the nz patch?
14:20 kf           ah good :)
14:20 tcohen       by the NZ patch
14:20 tcohen       it was removed already
14:17 kf           tcohen: and remove the pref it wasn't yet I think
14:14 * magnuse    would think so
14:13 tcohen       kf, should I patch updatedatabase.pl to remove the stopwords table?
14:07 clrh         cool
14:06 magnuse      clrh: yeah, quite varied weather, but there were some really nice days, so all good!
14:06 clrh         hi kf
14:05 * kf         waves to clrh
14:04 clrh         magnuse: how was you second week in marseille ? a little bit rainy I think
14:03 clrh         salut magnuse
14:02 magnuse      bonjour clrh
14:00 magnuse      ooh 222 should be easy to remember
13:56 huginn       druthb: Quote #222: "jcamins: test patches, don't feed trolls." (added by druthb at 07:49 PM, December 07, 2012)
13:56 druthb       @quote random
13:55 * druthb     blinks
13:54 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:08 AM, November 14, 2009)
13:54 gmcharlt     @quote random
13:52 kf           tcohen: you can't stop him I think
13:50 tcohen       does that test load the data set on its own?
13:50 tcohen       dont leave :-D
13:50 tcohen       no no jcamins
13:50 * jcamins    leaves
13:50 jcamins      Yeah, after acq the most unusable part of Koha is the frameworks.
13:49 magnuse      marcmustdie!
13:49 jcamins      tcohen: it comes with its own dataset.
13:49 kf           which means that i don't know how to translate newer fields
13:49 tcohen       kf, do u know which is the dataset for t/db_dependent/Search.t
13:49 kf           but the official german translation was never updated...
13:49 kf           magnuse: they are
13:49 kf           if only that wasn't so unpleasant
13:49 magnuse      kf: are your marc21 frameworks translated to german?
13:49 kf           guess we will have to add some more. ugh
13:48 kf           http://www.loc.gov/marc/up8bibliographic/bdapndxg.html
13:48 kf           at least I found the marc documentation now
13:48 jcamins      Nope, I don't see $0 either.
13:46 kf           hehe
13:46 kf           as I can't find the $0 subfields
13:46 jcamins      Preferably with the exact wording you want.
13:46 kf           but now I wonder which updates they processed
13:46 jcamins      Remind me when I'm writing release notes.
13:46 jcamins      Sure.
13:46 kf           not sure where to put it
13:46 kf           I was thinking release notes
13:46 jcamins      Go ahead.
13:46 kf           could we point out somewhere that this is only for enlgish frameworks?
13:45 jcamins      Cool.
13:45 kf           oh
13:45 kf           yep you did
13:45 jcamins      Oh, I pushed it?
13:45 kf           that's why I am a bit confused right now :(
13:45 huginn       04Bug 9353: minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Missing subfields on MARC21 frameworks
13:45 kf           http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9353
13:45 jcamins      Oh.
13:45 wahanui      i guess passed qa is the queue jcamins should watch
13:45 jcamins      Passed QA.
13:45 kf           and no, they don't have $0
13:44 kf           PQA?
13:44 jcamins      Which is probably the answer you wanted.
13:44 jcamins      kf: but the revised frameworks are sitting at PQA.
13:44 jcamins      ^^ exactly
13:43 magnuse      state of denial
13:39 kf           it looks like we aremissing all the $0 subfields?
13:39 kf           jcamins: hm do you know which state the frameworks in koha are now in?
13:19 druthb       I'm speaking mid-morning on the second day of the conference.  This is a Good Thing, as by the third day, most everyone is getting a lil run down.  It's an intense con.
13:19 kf           :)
13:14 magnuse      ...the title of druthb's talk, that is :-)
13:14 magnuse      the title shows up here: http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/user/9458
13:13 kf           it's zebra not having indexed what it's supposed to match on?
13:12 kf           the problem olugbenga has
13:12 kf           ah :)
13:12 druthb       kf;  "An Ecological View of a FOSS Community: Koha"
13:11 druthb       I know!  But this conference is a TED-dish sort of thing…*everything* is quasi-lightning.
13:11 kf           ?
13:11 kf           hm it doesn't have a title
13:11 * druthb     dances around.
13:11 oleonard     20 minutes is too short!
13:10 kf           :)
13:10 druthb       My talk has been accepted. :)
13:10 druthb       http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710
13:09 wahanui      hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
13:09 magnuse      search rewrite?
13:08 drojf        lol
13:07 wahanui      the ' is fine ’ isnt
13:07 kf           the '?
13:06 jcamins      We need some indexing changes.
13:06 jcamins      oleonard: unfortunately, yes.
13:06 oleonard     Is it to be expected that a search for "Lets go for a drive" doesn't return the title "Let's go for a drive" in the first page of results?
13:05 drojf        hi marcelr and tcohen
12:51 marcelr      hi drojf
12:51 tcohen       hi drojf
12:50 drojf        hi #koha
12:50 kf           hi tcohen
12:39 tcohen       ok, thanks jcamins
12:39 jcamins      They're the same thus far.
12:39 tcohen       need 3.11*
12:39 jcamins      Yes.
12:38 tcohen       it is pulling 3.13* packages
12:37 wahanui      it has been said that squeeze-dev is master
12:37 jcamins      squeeze-dev
12:36 tcohen       i need to keep my testing site updating to the latest 3.12 snapshots, what's the repo?
12:35 tcohen       hi kf
12:33 wahanui      i guess morning is a state of cat
12:33 tcohen       morning
12:14 kf           hi oleonard++ :)
12:13 marcelr      hi oleonard
12:12 oleonard     Hey #koha
12:03 kf           morning jcamins :)
12:00 jcamins      Ah. Someone sent a message to the list asking why labels with UNIMARC were broken, I think.
12:00 paul_p       jcamins (sorry, i've missed the ML, I just answered a "later tell paul_p")
11:59 jcamins      paul_p: whichever version of Koha is mentioned in the mailing list thread on the issue, probably.
11:53 huginn       paul_p: The operation succeeded.
11:53 paul_p       @later tell chris_n, which version of koha, which context (your question is a little bit general i'm afraid)
11:52 huginn       paul_p: The operation succeeded.
11:52 paul_p       @later tell chris_n, nope I haven't had any feedback about a problem with labels in unimarc
11:51 paul_p       hi kf & others
11:51 kf           hi paul_p
11:50 kf           but we have others as well - like oleonard :)
11:50 * jcamins    didn't think so either.
11:50 kf           probably not
11:49 jcamins      Is this surprising?
11:44 kf           enough bugs out there to fix
11:44 kf           people rebasing their new feature now seems bad timing
11:44 * kf         sighs
11:43 * marcelr    waves back
11:42 * kf         waves to marcelr
11:29 marcelr      hi koha
11:14 * magnuse    waves to nengard, then wanders off to find lunch
10:38 gaetan_B     see you later :)
10:25 kf           sleep well :)
10:25 * rangi      wanders off to bed
10:14 kf           I think I marked it 3.14? I wanted to
10:14 kf           yep
10:14 kf           no sense to delete things right now
10:14 rangi        way too dangerous to do now
10:14 rangi        definitely
10:14 kf           it's for 3.14 anyway I think
10:13 kf           rangi: borrowers would be easy, was not sure about ethnicity - should probably be an authorized value
10:13 rangi        that would be worse
10:13 rangi        code wont match the schema then
10:13 wizzyrea     crazy idea, maybe just leave it off of new installs?
10:13 rangi        its just a text field
10:12 kf           because I am not sure how it used to work
10:12 kf           all information into patron attributes that is
10:12 kf           but we will have to check - not sure if you can map it
10:12 kf           I didn't think about deleting it when there is something .)
10:12 kf           i thought about leaving it alone
10:11 rangi        there is no if possible :) we simply cant delete libraries data in an upgrade
10:11 rangi        i added stronger words :)
10:09 kf           i added that to the bug :)
10:08 kf           okok :)
10:08 rangi        but if the patch simply drops the column wihtout checking its empty ill be more than grumpy
10:08 * kf         hides
10:07 kf           they display nicely and have lots of options
10:07 rangi        its all ok
10:07 rangi        as long as the patch includes a check the columns are all empty and if not migrates the data to extended attributes
10:07 kf           patron attributes are pretty neat now
10:07 wizzyrea     the one I was thinking of was one he'd probably defend, so if he says it's alright it probably is
10:06 magnuse      hehe
10:06 kf           so maybe it's safe
10:06 kf           I think....
10:06 kf           wizzyrea: I asked rangi and he didn't get grumpy
10:04 wizzyrea     anyway, not gonna look into it now :)
10:04 wizzyrea     some places do use it though, i'm almost certain
10:03 magnuse      does anyone know what that was?
09:59 kf           more worried about the notifys one
09:59 kf           at least since 3.2
09:59 kf           for a while
09:59 kf           wizzyrea: not sure it will - it seems you are not able to use it
09:59 magnuse      and if there is no way in the interface to use those things any longer, why would anyone complain?
09:59 magnuse      yup
09:54 wizzyrea     but I supose i people want to track it they can use borrower attributes
09:54 wizzyrea     i suspect 10020 will met some resistance.
09:54 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.1°C (11:50 AM CEST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
09:54 kf           @wunder Konstanz
09:54 kf           ooh :)
09:53 magnuse      nah, just cheering from the sidelines :-)
09:53 kf           magnuse: volunteering? :)
09:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10020 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove old code related to 'ethnicity'
09:53 magnuse      yay for bug 10020
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08:59 kf           ah
08:59 rangi        thats what i give that
08:59 * wizzyrea   needs a mojito after that
08:58 rangi        7%
08:58 ashu         ok ok thanks and good bye
08:58 wizzyrea     cool bye
08:58 wizzyrea     it's taking a very long time to download for me
08:58 ashu         thanks i receive good bye
08:57 ashu         i receive this massage " you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail"
08:57 ashu         you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail i also try it on chrome browser
08:57 wizzyrea     it is a huge file
08:56 gaetan_B     yes, didn't sleep much though ! ;)
08:56 kf           hi gaetan_B - arrived well?
08:56 ashu         you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail
08:55 wizzyrea     http://koha-community.org/documentation/
08:55 wizzyrea     from here
08:55 wizzyrea     http://es.koha-community.org/manual/files/3.10.x/en/manual.pdf
08:54 wizzyrea     i thought nengard was generating those
08:54 wizzyrea     guess there is no pdf then
08:54 wizzyrea     we heard you ;)
08:54 ashu         i click on 3.10 Manual (English) [PDF] and open this link which i can;t download pdf file http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/
08:53 gaetan_B     rozh bash everyone ;)
08:53 ashu         i click on 3.10 Manual (English) [PDF] and open this link which i can;t download pdf file http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/
08:53 gaetan_B     rangi: hi :) yes just starting the installation work !
08:53 rangi        gaetan_B: you are in kurdistan now?
08:52 wizzyrea     there should be a pdf, yes
08:52 ashu         can i completely downlaod manual 3.10 in my pc ?
08:51 wizzyrea     3.10
08:51 ashu         u suggest me the link of downlaod koha and i download 50 mb something file. which version is this ?
08:51 wizzyrea     3.12 isn't out yet, so currently it will be 3.10
08:50 ashu         which is the latest version of koha ? 3.10 or 3.12 ?
08:49 kf           best you start with the manual to get an overview of the features and options
08:49 wizzyrea     :)
08:49 kf           that is a too complicated question to answer here
08:49 wahanui      i heard manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
08:49 wizzyrea     manual?
08:49 ashu         how can i configure koha OPAC ?
08:48 wizzyrea     give it a go :)
08:48 kf           yes, koha has an OPAC
08:48 wizzyrea     http://koha-community.org/demo/
08:47 ashu         is koha has OPAC ?
08:47 rangi        ashu: have you configured and maintained a linux server before?
08:46 wizzyrea     http://www.debian.org/distrib/
08:45 kf_mtg       no meeting
08:45 kf_mtg       ok
08:45 huginn       rangi: Debian -- The Universal Operating System: <http://www.debian.org/>; Debian -- Getting Debian: <http://www.debian.org/distrib/>; Debian on CDs: <http://www.debian.org/CD/>; Debian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian>; DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux: <http://distrowatch.com/debian>; The Debian Project (debian) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/debian>; (1 more message)
08:45 rangi        @google debian
08:45 ashu         is debian free os ? if yes where can i download ?
08:44 ashu         is it working on both bit of debian (32 or 64) ???
08:44 wizzyrea     yes
08:43 ashu         is it working on both bit of debian (32 or 64)
08:43 wizzyrea     like redhat, but not redhat
08:43 wizzyrea     debian is a linux distribution
08:42 wahanui      i heard debian was what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
08:42 ashu         what is debian ?
08:41 wahanui      debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
08:41 ashu         what is debian ?
08:41 wizzyrea     it will work, but it will be easier on debian
08:41 ashu         is this file working on linux redhat 5.0 ?
08:40 ashu         in this link i download koha-latest.tar.gz (50 mb file)
08:39 wizzyrea     (which is still linux)
08:39 rangi        you need a linux server, either as a virtual machine on some other host (could be windows) or a physical machine for the server, but then as wizzyrea says the client can be aanything that runs a web browser
08:39 wizzyrea     but the server runs on linux (or in a virtual machine on windows)
08:39 wizzyrea     it is a web application, you can use it on any platform
08:38 wizzyrea     http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
08:38 ashu         it is work on windows xp or later ?
08:38 rangi        linux server admin ones primarily
08:38 ashu         which types of skills i need ?
08:38 wizzyrea     !
08:38 * kf         hides
08:37 kf           i think we shoudl change the numbering
08:37 wizzyrea     why kf?
08:37 kf           having 5 numbers now for bug codes is very irritating
08:37 ashu         it is work on windows xp or later ?
08:36 rangi        if you have the skills needed yes
08:36 wizzyrea     yep
08:36 wizzyrea     where cost = licensing fees
08:36 ashu         can i use it for my school absolutely free ?
08:36 rangi        its free software, under the GNU definition of free software (sometimes called open source software by others)
08:36 wizzyrea     free in cost and free as in freedom.
08:36 wizzyrea     it is free software
08:35 ashu         is koha freeware software ?
08:35 wizzyrea     hi
08:35 wahanui      hey, ashu
08:35 ashu         hi
08:35 wizzyrea     also we have been neglecting random food friday :)
08:34 wizzyrea     word.
08:34 rangi        we should have mojito oclock
08:34 rangi        yes
08:34 wizzyrea     we should strive to have more
08:34 wizzyrea     we don't have enough mojitos rangi
08:34 rangi        and read books
08:34 wizzyrea     ^^^
08:34 rangi        i want them to do my job so i can drink mojitos
08:33 wizzyrea     not that w want to do that..
08:33 wizzyrea     there's always time to demoralise them later ^.^
08:33 wizzyrea     where you fix it up and show them how it should be
08:33 wizzyrea     anyway, yea it might be nice to be a little more welcoming to new people - at least one or two free passes.
08:31 kf           rangi++ :)
08:25 magnuse      rangi++ for looking out for new recruits :-)
08:25 wizzyrea     he was kind enough to add it
08:24 wizzyrea     when trea forgot to add a test plan
08:24 wizzyrea     i liked the one gmcharlt did
08:24 wizzyrea     oh right
08:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9671 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , fines.pl cronjob help lists wrong values for finesmode syspref
08:24 rangi        bug 9671
08:23 wizzyrea     that's "which bug"
08:23 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot which
08:23 wizzyrea     forget which
08:23 wahanui      i guess which is a blocker if it is true bug
08:23 wizzyrea     oh which?
08:23 * kf         agrees
08:22 rangi        i think we need to work on that as a group
08:22 rangi        just bumped into another example of not being as welcoming as we could/should be to new developers
08:21 magnuse      ?
08:21 rangi        hmm
07:54 drojf        heh i doubt it
07:53 kf           it probably does, guess it's me
07:53 kf           hm no
07:51 drojf        two different "normdatentypen", like mytopics1 and mytopics2. if i would repeat 650, i could still only have one of them linked for 650. i think. does that make sense?
07:47 kf           but what do you mean with sets?
07:46 kf           650 is repeatable
07:46 kf           hm?
07:45 drojf        if i have two sets of authories for topical terms and put one into marc 650… what do i do with the other?
07:43 kf           moin drojf
07:43 drojf        moin kf
07:23 dcook        Ta kf and all!
07:23 kf           have fun
07:23 dcook        Yoga!
07:23 dcook        Hmm, out of time
07:19 dcook        But is there any function for $limit_desc? :S
07:19 dcook        $limit is used in the SQL
07:19 dcook        hey ya kf :)
07:19 kf           :)
07:19 kf           heya
07:19 dcook        Looks like $limit_cgi is added to the query string..
07:18 dcook        Does anyone have a quick explanation of $limit, $limit_cgi, and $limit_desc in buildQuery in Search.pm?
07:17 dcook        hey chirstophe_c
07:15 christophe_c hello koha
07:06 drojf        hi dcook
07:06 dcook        allo drojf
07:04 drojf        and good morning #koha
07:04 drojf        hei magnuse
07:03 magnuse      moin drojf
06:48 huginn       04Bug 9918: major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Packaging updates for 3.12
06:48 huginn       magnuse: The operation succeeded.
06:48 magnuse      @later tell eythian: my original comment was on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9918
06:44 cait         hi all and bbl :)
06:42 reiveune     hello
06:41 huginn       magnuse: The operation succeeded.
06:41 magnuse      @later tell eythian: i did not report a bug for the version in build-git-snapshot, i just added it as a comment on some other bug
06:20 cait         cait doesn't do it really well... no secret about it
06:19 magnuse      hehe
06:19 dcook        I still have yoga to go to tonight. Let's hope I don't fall asleep part way through...
06:19 dcook        I don't know how cait does this waking up early thing
06:18 dcook        Bed is wonderful...
06:18 magnuse      hm, maybe i should take that as a sign to get back to bed?
06:18 dcook        hehe
06:18 * magnuse    waves to dcook
06:18 magnuse      gah!
06:18 * magnuse    waves to magnuse
06:17 * dcook      waves to magnuse
06:13 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is -2.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
06:13 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10018 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Building version update for master/3.13
06:12 magnuse      eythian++ for bug 10018
06:11 * magnuse    waves
05:41 dcook        I never knew Adobe was so rigid about how to link to them
05:41 dcook        http://www.adobe.com/misc/linking.html#linking
05:37 dcook        Wouldn't be if he had gone for that orbital laser
05:37 eythian      He's probably still working on it
05:35 * dcook      is curious now about whether or not jcamins ever opened the coconut too
05:22 cait         my dad wouldn't have let me move out without a toolbox and  a hammer... hammer in the right spots works well
05:20 * cait       wonders if jcamins managed to open the coconut?
05:15 dcook        Actually, I think I woke up at 5:30, but crawled out of bed at 6:30
05:15 dcook        I actually got up at 6:30 today, so I'll stop telling you to go to bed ;)
05:15 cait         hi dcook :)
05:14 * dcook      waves to cait
05:13 cait         not today :) it's 7
05:13 cait         nope
05:13 cait         lol
05:13 cait         hi eythian :)
05:13 eythian      go back to bed.
05:13 eythian      hi cait.
05:12 cait         morning #koha
03:33 jcamins      *anything on the modal, like a form
03:33 jcamins      Bootstrap seems to have been specifically designed so that you can't combine functionalities. If you have a modal, you can't have anything on the form.
03:31 jcamins      I think every Javascript developer had to sign something swearing to design everything stupidly.
03:27 wahanui      OK, eythian.
03:27 eythian      wahanui: I have no idea is <reply>¯(°_o)/¯
03:27 cjh          doesn't have to be global, can be an attribute on anything that is set in the accept callback.
03:24 jcamins      Stupid, stupid, stupid.
03:24 jcamins      I guess you set a global flag.
03:24 jcamins      cjh: yeah, but what about enter and escape?
03:22 cjh          jcamins: you can bind callbacks to each button
03:18 eythian      surely not
03:10 jcamins      There's seemingly no way to find out if the modal was cancelled or accepted.
03:09 jcamins      The bootstrap designers didn't quite think through their modal functionality.
03:09 jcamins      Wow...
02:54 huginn       eythian: The operation succeeded.
02:54 eythian      @later tell tcohen master/3.13 packages uploaded
02:40 huginn       eythian: The operation succeeded.
02:40 eythian      @later tell magnuse bug 10018 fixes the b-g-s help text version, but I can't find the original bug you reported it in.
02:11 dcook        That wasn't in relation to you :p
02:11 dcook        hi alex_a_
02:10 * dcook      twitches
02:09 jcamins      We have one person who complains about Koha not being written in Java.
02:08 dcook        I suppose I've never met anyone who said they actually like Java
02:08 dcook        Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way ^_^
02:07 dcook        I did think about adding to the list, but I figured that would be too much typing ;)
02:06 jcamins      Everything about Java is a pain. :P
02:04 dcook        Correction. Compiling Java is a pain.
02:02 dcook        Java is a pain...
02:02 * dcook      is glad that Koha is written in Perl
01:23 jcamins      Heh.
01:23 dcook        Well, Manoosh hasn't poisoned me yet, so I suspect they use the non-poison variety with their za'atar
01:22 dcook        O_O
01:22 jcamins      The non-poison variety.
01:21 dcook        Mmm sumac
00:48 jcamins      Sumac and tarragon.
00:48 jcamins      I decided to go classic.
00:45 jcamins      Other than turmeric and garlic, which I already put in.
00:43 jcamins      What should i put in the yogurt dressing?
00:39 jcamins      I should have bought two bunches of broccoli.
00:34 dcook        Mmm, could really go for some coconut chocolate now...
00:33 dcook        I think plates and such were fairly common
00:33 dcook        I think there used to be a place in the US where you could pay to smash things
00:32 wizzyrea     oh true
00:32 dcook        Of course, terracotta might give the best sound
00:32 dcook        hehe
00:30 jcamins      Probably.
00:29 jcamins      lol
00:29 wizzyrea     coconuts probably being the least expensive of the three
00:29 wizzyrea     possible targets of smashing include: keyboards, drywall, coconuts.
00:29 jcamins      Yeah, but becoming one with the reality that I live within three feet of forty other people gets in the way with the first epiphany.
00:28 jcamins      lol
00:28 wizzyrea     perhaps becoming one with your manly desire to smash things would be good for you.
00:28 jcamins      But I really wanted coconut.
00:27 * jcamins    doesn't like smashing things.
00:24 dcook        Not so great for writing essays :p
00:24 wizzyrea     :P
00:24 wizzyrea     17 is about perfect for sleeping.
00:24 dcook        I once had a roommate that kept our apartment at 17
00:23 dcook        No, but it's chilly enough
00:23 wizzyrea     14 is not the worst temp ever.
00:23 dcook        O_o
00:23 dcook        ...aircon?
00:23 wizzyrea     i'm freezing because the aircon in here is overzealous.
00:23 huginn       wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
00:23 wizzyrea     @wunder nzwn
00:23 dcook        Oh...
00:23 huginn       dcook: Error: No such location could be found.
00:23 dcook        @wunder wellington
00:22 wizzyrea     so instead it just makes me happy :)
00:21 wizzyrea     if I wasn't freezing.
00:21 wizzyrea     which could equal sleepy
00:21 wizzyrea     sun like this makes me waarm
00:20 dcook        Plus, who doesn't like smashing things?
00:20 dcook        I think my local master chef wanted to use coconut, and she was busy
00:20 eythian      sun like that makes me sleepy
00:20 dcook        Noticed a few people with umbrellas today. Wanted to say, "enjoy the warmth of the sun while you can!!!"
00:20 wizzyrea     because you wanted coconut.
00:20 dcook        Mmm sun
00:19 * dcook      tries to remember why he split open a coconut last time
00:19 * wizzyrea   is thoroughly enjoying this sunbeam that is on her back
00:19 dcook        coconut dinner!
00:19 wizzyrea     you should eat coconut for dinner.
00:19 jcamins      I should do that.
00:19 jcamins      Hey, it's 8:15 and I have spent the last half hour trying to open a coconut instead of making dinner.
00:19 wizzyrea     I stepped on his toes once, you'd think the world ended.
00:18 * wizzyrea   feels terrible guilt if she even bumps into kiddo, cannot imagine how awful she would feel if she actually got his fingers stuck in a car door
00:18 jcamins      lol
00:18 wizzyrea     >.<
00:18 dcook        Usually
00:18 dcook        Fortunately, the hospital was on the way
00:17 wizzyrea     OMGFINGERS
00:17 wizzyrea     okhesinthecarGOGOGO
00:17 dcook        That would perhaps explain why it stopped happening after I got older... ;)
00:17 wizzyrea     perhaps you had impatient parents
00:17 * dcook      was the emergency room child. Car doors did not like the feet and hands of dcook.
00:16 * wizzyrea   avoids getting her hand caught in cracks as a general rule
00:16 wizzyrea     When the coconut begins to crack it may quickly split open and then close again before it breaks. Be careful not to get any part of your hand caught in the crack (ouch!).
00:16 wizzyrea     turn and whack.
00:16 jcamins      It's still not open.
00:16 jcamins      Hm.
00:15 jcamins      lol
00:15 jcamins      That was easy.
00:15 wizzyrea     Never try to bite open a coconut. It will not open it and will break your teeth.
00:15 jcamins      I already drained it.
00:15 jcamins      lol
00:15 wizzyrea     kek.
00:15 wizzyrea     Don't put the nut in the oven with the water inside. It might explode if it is left for too long and the water ferments.
00:14 wizzyrea     as good an idea as any
00:14 wizzyrea     "wrap it in a towel and hit it with a hammer"
00:13 trea         ooo
00:13 wizzyrea     $15 at the asian market? Sign me up!
00:13 dcook        I was starting to think the article was a gag at that point
00:13 dcook        I was wondering what that was, wizzyrea
00:13 wizzyrea     a coconut shredder
00:13 dcook        not to be confused with captain_hammer, corporate tool.
00:12 wizzyrea     http://pad1.whstatic.com/images/thumb/1/19/AsianUtensil-4.jpg/550px-AsianUtensil-4.jpg
00:12 * wizzyrea   totally needs one of these
00:12 dcook        hammer++
00:12 dcook        :D
00:12 jcamins      However, the hammer seems like it might be working.
00:12 * dcook      thinks he has photos on FB...
00:12 jcamins      We have a cheap plastic liner.
00:12 dcook        Plus, it's a pretty solid steel tub
00:12 dcook        Just enough to create and spread fissures
00:12 dcook        But I wasn't hitting it too too hard
00:11 dcook        I used the tub
00:11 jcamins      Yeah.
00:11 dcook        Although smashing the tile is sub-optimal..
00:11 jcamins      dcook: hmmm...
00:11 jcamins      *have
00:11 dcook        bathroom tile?
00:11 dcook        liw++
00:10 jcamins      And I hate cheap wood floors.
00:10 jcamins      wizzyrea: I don't even have a counter that is affixed properly to the cabinets.
00:10 wizzyrea     hi liw :)
00:10 wizzyrea     i like the corkscrew and plastic bag smash method as well
00:10 * liw        suggests an orbital laser cannon
00:09 wizzyrea     don't you have stone counters?
00:09 wizzyrea     oh, or tap/rotate on a solid edge
00:09 dcook        Well...in a non-desirable way I mean
00:09 dcook        Wouldn't heating/freezing screw with the integrity of the fresh coconut?
00:09 jcamins      Per the heating/freezing method.
00:09 dcook        Admittedly, their knife looks rather impressive
00:08 jcamins      Then I'll freeze it.
00:08 wizzyrea     yea a cleaver might work better
00:08 jcamins      I'll try holding it and whacking it with a hammer.
00:08 jcamins      Maybe the problem is that my knife was too wimpy.
00:08 wizzyrea     hrm
00:08 jcamins      Round and round and round.
00:08 jcamins      Yep.
00:08 jcamins      But then some other instructions make it look like you should be hitting it parallel to the fibers.
00:08 wizzyrea     whack and rotate tho?
00:07 jcamins      Yeah, that's where I was whacking the coconut.
00:07 jcamins      That's what I'm reading now.
00:07 wizzyrea     that is the best place to wahck
00:07 wizzyrea     there's a specific spot, the meridian of the cocount
00:07 dcook        That seems preposterous
00:07 wizzyrea     http://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Coconut
00:07 dcook        O_o
00:07 jcamins      No idea.
00:07 wizzyrea     were you whacking in the right spot?
00:07 jcamins      the instructions are to whack it with the back of the knife.
00:06 jcamins      No, not cutting...
00:06 wizzyrea     the back of the knife
00:06 jcamins      dcook: I suspect because I'm not able to exert enough force.
00:06 dcook        You should be able to cut through at least 1/2-1 inch
00:06 dcook        Why didn't the knife work?
00:06 dcook        Hmm
00:05 jcamins      I tried following the instructions for using a heavy knife, and that didn't work, which means I need something very solid to brace the coconut against.
00:05 dcook        I didn't have a hammer...
00:05 dcook        Then bashed the hard shell with a brick
00:05 dcook        Last time, I used a knife to cut off the relatively soft outside
00:04 dcook        I suggest a combination
00:04 jcamins      I thought about that, but I don't really feel like going outside to whack a coconut with the hammer.
00:04 wizzyrea     hammer.
00:04 * jcamins    contemplates just pulling out the saw.
00:03 wizzyrea     they are irritating aren't they
00:03 jcamins      Not as easy as one might wish.
00:02 jcamins      Coconuts.