Time Nick Message 00:02 jcamins Coconuts. 00:03 jcamins Not as easy as one might wish. 00:03 wizzyrea they are irritating aren't they 00:04 * jcamins contemplates just pulling out the saw. 00:04 wizzyrea hammer. 00:04 jcamins I thought about that, but I don't really feel like going outside to whack a coconut with the hammer. 00:04 dcook I suggest a combination 00:05 dcook Last time, I used a knife to cut off the relatively soft outside 00:05 dcook Then bashed the hard shell with a brick 00:05 dcook I didn't have a hammer... 00:05 jcamins I tried following the instructions for using a heavy knife, and that didn't work, which means I need something very solid to brace the coconut against. 00:06 dcook Hmm 00:06 dcook Why didn't the knife work? 00:06 dcook You should be able to cut through at least 1/2-1 inch 00:06 jcamins dcook: I suspect because I'm not able to exert enough force. 00:06 wizzyrea the back of the knife 00:06 jcamins No, not cutting... 00:07 jcamins the instructions are to whack it with the back of the knife. 00:07 wizzyrea were you whacking in the right spot? 00:07 jcamins No idea. 00:07 dcook O_o 00:07 wizzyrea http://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Coconut 00:07 dcook That seems preposterous 00:07 wizzyrea there's a specific spot, the meridian of the cocount 00:07 wizzyrea that is the best place to wahck 00:07 jcamins That's what I'm reading now. 00:07 jcamins Yeah, that's where I was whacking the coconut. 00:08 wizzyrea whack and rotate tho? 00:08 jcamins But then some other instructions make it look like you should be hitting it parallel to the fibers. 00:08 jcamins Yep. 00:08 jcamins Round and round and round. 00:08 wizzyrea hrm 00:08 jcamins Maybe the problem is that my knife was too wimpy. 00:08 jcamins I'll try holding it and whacking it with a hammer. 00:08 wizzyrea yea a cleaver might work better 00:08 jcamins Then I'll freeze it. 00:09 dcook Admittedly, their knife looks rather impressive 00:09 jcamins Per the heating/freezing method. 00:09 dcook Wouldn't heating/freezing screw with the integrity of the fresh coconut? 00:09 dcook Well...in a non-desirable way I mean 00:09 wizzyrea oh, or tap/rotate on a solid edge 00:09 wizzyrea don't you have stone counters? 00:10 * liw suggests an orbital laser cannon 00:10 wizzyrea i like the corkscrew and plastic bag smash method as well 00:10 wizzyrea hi liw :) 00:10 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't even have a counter that is affixed properly to the cabinets. 00:10 jcamins And I hate cheap wood floors. 00:11 dcook liw++ 00:11 dcook bathroom tile? 00:11 jcamins *have 00:11 jcamins dcook: hmmm... 00:11 dcook Although smashing the tile is sub-optimal.. 00:11 jcamins Yeah. 00:11 dcook I used the tub 00:12 dcook But I wasn't hitting it too too hard 00:12 dcook Just enough to create and spread fissures 00:12 dcook Plus, it's a pretty solid steel tub 00:12 jcamins We have a cheap plastic liner. 00:12 * dcook thinks he has photos on FB... 00:12 jcamins However, the hammer seems like it might be working. 00:12 dcook :D 00:12 dcook hammer++ 00:12 * wizzyrea totally needs one of these 00:12 wizzyrea http://pad1.whstatic.com/images/thumb/1/19/AsianUtensil-4.jpg/550px-AsianUtensil-4.jpg 00:13 dcook not to be confused with captain_hammer, corporate tool. 00:13 wizzyrea a coconut shredder 00:13 dcook I was wondering what that was, wizzyrea 00:13 dcook I was starting to think the article was a gag at that point 00:13 wizzyrea $15 at the asian market? Sign me up! 00:13 trea ooo 00:14 wizzyrea "wrap it in a towel and hit it with a hammer" 00:14 wizzyrea as good an idea as any 00:15 wizzyrea Don't put the nut in the oven with the water inside. It might explode if it is left for too long and the water ferments. 00:15 wizzyrea kek. 00:15 jcamins lol 00:15 jcamins I already drained it. 00:15 wizzyrea Never try to bite open a coconut. It will not open it and will break your teeth. 00:15 jcamins That was easy. 00:15 jcamins lol 00:16 jcamins Hm. 00:16 jcamins It's still not open. 00:16 wizzyrea turn and whack. 00:16 wizzyrea When the coconut begins to crack it may quickly split open and then close again before it breaks. Be careful not to get any part of your hand caught in the crack (ouch!). 00:16 * wizzyrea avoids getting her hand caught in cracks as a general rule 00:17 * dcook was the emergency room child. Car doors did not like the feet and hands of dcook. 00:17 wizzyrea perhaps you had impatient parents 00:17 dcook That would perhaps explain why it stopped happening after I got older... ;) 00:17 wizzyrea okhesinthecarGOGOGO 00:17 wizzyrea OMGFINGERS 00:18 dcook Fortunately, the hospital was on the way 00:18 dcook Usually 00:18 wizzyrea >.< 00:18 jcamins lol 00:18 * wizzyrea feels terrible guilt if she even bumps into kiddo, cannot imagine how awful she would feel if she actually got his fingers stuck in a car door 00:19 wizzyrea I stepped on his toes once, you'd think the world ended. 00:19 jcamins Hey, it's 8:15 and I have spent the last half hour trying to open a coconut instead of making dinner. 00:19 jcamins I should do that. 00:19 wizzyrea you should eat coconut for dinner. 00:19 dcook coconut dinner! 00:19 * wizzyrea is thoroughly enjoying this sunbeam that is on her back 00:19 * dcook tries to remember why he split open a coconut last time 00:20 dcook Mmm sun 00:20 wizzyrea because you wanted coconut. 00:20 dcook Noticed a few people with umbrellas today. Wanted to say, "enjoy the warmth of the sun while you can!!!" 00:20 eythian sun like that makes me sleepy 00:20 dcook I think my local master chef wanted to use coconut, and she was busy 00:20 dcook Plus, who doesn't like smashing things? 00:21 wizzyrea sun like this makes me waarm 00:21 wizzyrea which could equal sleepy 00:21 wizzyrea if I wasn't freezing. 00:22 wizzyrea so instead it just makes me happy :) 00:23 dcook @wunder wellington 00:23 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 00:23 dcook Oh... 00:23 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 00:23 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 00:23 wizzyrea i'm freezing because the aircon in here is overzealous. 00:23 dcook ...aircon? 00:23 dcook O_o 00:23 wizzyrea 14 is not the worst temp ever. 00:23 dcook No, but it's chilly enough 00:24 dcook I once had a roommate that kept our apartment at 17 00:24 wizzyrea 17 is about perfect for sleeping. 00:24 wizzyrea :P 00:24 dcook Not so great for writing essays :p 00:27 * jcamins doesn't like smashing things. 00:28 jcamins But I really wanted coconut. 00:28 wizzyrea perhaps becoming one with your manly desire to smash things would be good for you. 00:28 jcamins lol 00:29 jcamins Yeah, but becoming one with the reality that I live within three feet of forty other people gets in the way with the first epiphany. 00:29 wizzyrea possible targets of smashing include: keyboards, drywall, coconuts. 00:29 wizzyrea coconuts probably being the least expensive of the three 00:29 jcamins lol 00:30 jcamins Probably. 00:32 dcook hehe 00:32 dcook Of course, terracotta might give the best sound 00:32 wizzyrea oh true 00:33 dcook I think there used to be a place in the US where you could pay to smash things 00:33 dcook I think plates and such were fairly common 00:34 dcook Mmm, could really go for some coconut chocolate now... 00:39 jcamins I should have bought two bunches of broccoli. 00:43 jcamins What should i put in the yogurt dressing? 00:45 jcamins Other than turmeric and garlic, which I already put in. 00:48 jcamins I decided to go classic. 00:48 jcamins Sumac and tarragon. 01:21 dcook Mmm sumac 01:22 jcamins The non-poison variety. 01:22 dcook O_O 01:23 dcook Well, Manoosh hasn't poisoned me yet, so I suspect they use the non-poison variety with their za'atar 01:23 jcamins Heh. 02:02 * dcook is glad that Koha is written in Perl 02:02 dcook Java is a pain... 02:04 dcook Correction. Compiling Java is a pain. 02:06 jcamins Everything about Java is a pain. :P 02:07 dcook I did think about adding to the list, but I figured that would be too much typing ;) 02:08 dcook Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way ^_^ 02:08 dcook I suppose I've never met anyone who said they actually like Java 02:09 jcamins We have one person who complains about Koha not being written in Java. 02:10 * dcook twitches 02:11 dcook hi alex_a_ 02:11 dcook That wasn't in relation to you :p 02:40 eythian @later tell magnuse bug 10018 fixes the b-g-s help text version, but I can't find the original bug you reported it in. 02:40 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 02:54 eythian @later tell tcohen master/3.13 packages uploaded 02:54 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 03:09 jcamins Wow... 03:09 jcamins The bootstrap designers didn't quite think through their modal functionality. 03:10 jcamins There's seemingly no way to find out if the modal was cancelled or accepted. 03:18 eythian surely not 03:22 cjh jcamins: you can bind callbacks to each button 03:24 jcamins cjh: yeah, but what about enter and escape? 03:24 jcamins I guess you set a global flag. 03:24 jcamins Stupid, stupid, stupid. 03:27 cjh doesn't have to be global, can be an attribute on anything that is set in the accept callback. 03:27 eythian wahanui: I have no idea is <reply>¯(°_o)/¯ 03:27 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:31 jcamins I think every Javascript developer had to sign something swearing to design everything stupidly. 03:33 jcamins Bootstrap seems to have been specifically designed so that you can't combine functionalities. If you have a modal, you can't have anything on the form. 03:33 jcamins *anything on the modal, like a form 05:12 cait morning #koha 05:13 eythian hi cait. 05:13 eythian go back to bed. 05:13 cait hi eythian :) 05:13 cait lol 05:13 cait nope 05:13 cait not today :) it's 7 05:14 * dcook waves to cait 05:15 cait hi dcook :) 05:15 dcook I actually got up at 6:30 today, so I'll stop telling you to go to bed ;) 05:15 dcook Actually, I think I woke up at 5:30, but crawled out of bed at 6:30 05:20 * cait wonders if jcamins managed to open the coconut? 05:22 cait my dad wouldn't have let me move out without a toolbox and a hammer... hammer in the right spots works well 05:35 * dcook is curious now about whether or not jcamins ever opened the coconut too 05:37 eythian He's probably still working on it 05:37 dcook Wouldn't be if he had gone for that orbital laser 05:41 dcook http://www.adobe.com/misc/linking.html#linking 05:41 dcook I never knew Adobe was so rigid about how to link to them 06:11 * magnuse waves 06:12 magnuse eythian++ for bug 10018 06:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10018 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Building version update for master/3.13 06:13 magnuse @wunder boo 06:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is -2.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 06:17 * dcook waves to magnuse 06:18 * magnuse waves to magnuse 06:18 magnuse gah! 06:18 * magnuse waves to dcook 06:18 dcook hehe 06:18 magnuse hm, maybe i should take that as a sign to get back to bed? 06:18 dcook Bed is wonderful... 06:19 dcook I don't know how cait does this waking up early thing 06:19 dcook I still have yoga to go to tonight. Let's hope I don't fall asleep part way through... 06:19 magnuse hehe 06:20 cait cait doesn't do it really well... no secret about it 06:41 magnuse @later tell eythian: i did not report a bug for the version in build-git-snapshot, i just added it as a comment on some other bug 06:41 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 06:42 reiveune hello 06:44 cait hi all and bbl :) 06:48 magnuse @later tell eythian: my original comment was on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9918 06:48 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 06:48 huginn 04Bug 9918: major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Packaging updates for 3.12 07:03 magnuse moin drojf 07:04 drojf hei magnuse 07:04 drojf and good morning #koha 07:06 dcook allo drojf 07:06 drojf hi dcook 07:15 christophe_c hello koha 07:17 dcook hey chirstophe_c 07:18 dcook Does anyone have a quick explanation of $limit, $limit_cgi, and $limit_desc in buildQuery in Search.pm? 07:19 dcook Looks like $limit_cgi is added to the query string.. 07:19 kf heya 07:19 kf :) 07:19 dcook hey ya kf :) 07:19 dcook $limit is used in the SQL 07:19 dcook But is there any function for $limit_desc? :S 07:23 dcook Hmm, out of time 07:23 dcook Yoga! 07:23 kf have fun 07:23 dcook Ta kf and all! 07:43 drojf moin kf 07:43 kf moin drojf 07:45 drojf if i have two sets of authories for topical terms and put one into marc 650… what do i do with the other? 07:46 kf hm? 07:46 kf 650 is repeatable 07:47 kf but what do you mean with sets? 07:51 drojf two different "normdatentypen", like mytopics1 and mytopics2. if i would repeat 650, i could still only have one of them linked for 650. i think. does that make sense? 07:53 kf hm no 07:53 kf it probably does, guess it's me 07:54 drojf heh i doubt it 08:21 rangi hmm 08:21 magnuse ? 08:22 rangi just bumped into another example of not being as welcoming as we could/should be to new developers 08:22 rangi i think we need to work on that as a group 08:23 * kf agrees 08:23 wizzyrea oh which? 08:23 wahanui i guess which is a blocker if it is true bug 08:23 wizzyrea forget which 08:23 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot which 08:23 wizzyrea that's "which bug" 08:24 rangi bug 9671 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9671 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , fines.pl cronjob help lists wrong values for finesmode syspref 08:24 wizzyrea oh right 08:24 wizzyrea i liked the one gmcharlt did 08:24 wizzyrea when trea forgot to add a test plan 08:25 wizzyrea he was kind enough to add it 08:25 magnuse rangi++ for looking out for new recruits :-) 08:31 kf rangi++ :) 08:33 wizzyrea anyway, yea it might be nice to be a little more welcoming to new people - at least one or two free passes. 08:33 wizzyrea where you fix it up and show them how it should be 08:33 wizzyrea there's always time to demoralise them later ^.^ 08:33 wizzyrea not that w want to do that.. 08:34 rangi i want them to do my job so i can drink mojitos 08:34 wizzyrea ^^^ 08:34 rangi and read books 08:34 wizzyrea we don't have enough mojitos rangi 08:34 wizzyrea we should strive to have more 08:34 rangi yes 08:34 rangi we should have mojito oclock 08:34 wizzyrea word. 08:35 wizzyrea also we have been neglecting random food friday :) 08:35 ashu hi 08:35 wahanui hey, ashu 08:35 wizzyrea hi 08:35 ashu is koha freeware software ? 08:36 wizzyrea it is free software 08:36 wizzyrea free in cost and free as in freedom. 08:36 rangi its free software, under the GNU definition of free software (sometimes called open source software by others) 08:36 ashu can i use it for my school absolutely free ? 08:36 wizzyrea where cost = licensing fees 08:36 wizzyrea yep 08:36 rangi if you have the skills needed yes 08:37 ashu it is work on windows xp or later ? 08:37 kf having 5 numbers now for bug codes is very irritating 08:37 wizzyrea why kf? 08:37 kf i think we shoudl change the numbering 08:38 * kf hides 08:38 wizzyrea ! 08:38 ashu which types of skills i need ? 08:38 rangi linux server admin ones primarily 08:38 ashu it is work on windows xp or later ? 08:38 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 08:39 wizzyrea it is a web application, you can use it on any platform 08:39 wizzyrea but the server runs on linux (or in a virtual machine on windows) 08:39 rangi you need a linux server, either as a virtual machine on some other host (could be windows) or a physical machine for the server, but then as wizzyrea says the client can be aanything that runs a web browser 08:39 wizzyrea (which is still linux) 08:40 ashu in this link i download koha-latest.tar.gz (50 mb file) 08:41 ashu is this file working on linux redhat 5.0 ? 08:41 wizzyrea it will work, but it will be easier on debian 08:41 ashu what is debian ? 08:41 wahanui debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 08:42 ashu what is debian ? 08:42 wahanui i heard debian was what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 08:43 wizzyrea debian is a linux distribution 08:43 wizzyrea like redhat, but not redhat 08:43 ashu is it working on both bit of debian (32 or 64) 08:44 wizzyrea yes 08:44 ashu is it working on both bit of debian (32 or 64) ??? 08:45 ashu is debian free os ? if yes where can i download ? 08:45 rangi @google debian 08:45 huginn rangi: Debian -- The Universal Operating System: <http://www.debian.org/>; Debian -- Getting Debian: <http://www.debian.org/distrib/>; Debian on CDs: <http://www.debian.org/CD/>; Debian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian>; DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux: <http://distrowatch.com/debian>; The Debian Project (debian) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/debian>; (1 more message) 08:45 kf_mtg ok 08:45 kf_mtg no meeting 08:46 wizzyrea http://www.debian.org/distrib/ 08:47 rangi ashu: have you configured and maintained a linux server before? 08:47 ashu is koha has OPAC ? 08:48 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/demo/ 08:48 kf yes, koha has an OPAC 08:48 wizzyrea give it a go :) 08:49 ashu how can i configure koha OPAC ? 08:49 wizzyrea manual? 08:49 wahanui i heard manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 08:49 kf that is a too complicated question to answer here 08:49 wizzyrea :) 08:49 kf best you start with the manual to get an overview of the features and options 08:50 ashu which is the latest version of koha ? 3.10 or 3.12 ? 08:51 wizzyrea 3.12 isn't out yet, so currently it will be 3.10 08:51 ashu u suggest me the link of downlaod koha and i download 50 mb something file. which version is this ? 08:51 wizzyrea 3.10 08:52 ashu can i completely downlaod manual 3.10 in my pc ? 08:52 wizzyrea there should be a pdf, yes 08:53 rangi gaetan_B: you are in kurdistan now? 08:53 gaetan_B rangi: hi :) yes just starting the installation work ! 08:53 ashu i click on 3.10 Manual (English) [PDF] and open this link which i can;t download pdf file http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/ 08:53 gaetan_B rozh bash everyone ;) 08:54 ashu i click on 3.10 Manual (English) [PDF] and open this link which i can;t download pdf file http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/ 08:54 wizzyrea we heard you ;) 08:54 wizzyrea guess there is no pdf then 08:54 wizzyrea i thought nengard was generating those 08:55 wizzyrea http://es.koha-community.org/manual/files/3.10.x/en/manual.pdf 08:55 wizzyrea from here 08:55 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 08:56 ashu you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail 08:56 kf hi gaetan_B - arrived well? 08:56 gaetan_B yes, didn't sleep much though ! ;) 08:57 wizzyrea it is a huge file 08:57 ashu you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail i also try it on chrome browser 08:57 ashu i receive this massage " you send me link manual.pdf is opening in my google drive but its fail" 08:58 ashu thanks i receive good bye 08:58 wizzyrea it's taking a very long time to download for me 08:58 wizzyrea cool bye 08:58 ashu ok ok thanks and good bye 08:58 rangi 7% 08:59 * wizzyrea needs a mojito after that 08:59 rangi thats what i give that 08:59 kf ah 09:43 alohabot Hi mib_zj875e, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 09:53 magnuse yay for bug 10020 09:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10020 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove old code related to 'ethnicity' 09:53 kf magnuse: volunteering? :) 09:53 magnuse nah, just cheering from the sidelines :-) 09:54 kf ooh :) 09:54 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:54 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.1°C (11:50 AM CEST on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 09:54 wizzyrea i suspect 10020 will met some resistance. 09:54 wizzyrea but I supose i people want to track it they can use borrower attributes 09:59 magnuse yup 09:59 magnuse and if there is no way in the interface to use those things any longer, why would anyone complain? 09:59 kf wizzyrea: not sure it will - it seems you are not able to use it 09:59 kf for a while 09:59 kf at least since 3.2 09:59 kf more worried about the notifys one 10:03 magnuse does anyone know what that was? 10:04 wizzyrea some places do use it though, i'm almost certain 10:04 wizzyrea anyway, not gonna look into it now :) 10:06 kf wizzyrea: I asked rangi and he didn't get grumpy 10:06 kf I think.... 10:06 kf so maybe it's safe 10:06 magnuse hehe 10:07 wizzyrea the one I was thinking of was one he'd probably defend, so if he says it's alright it probably is 10:07 kf patron attributes are pretty neat now 10:07 rangi as long as the patch includes a check the columns are all empty and if not migrates the data to extended attributes 10:07 rangi its all ok 10:07 kf they display nicely and have lots of options 10:08 * kf hides 10:08 rangi but if the patch simply drops the column wihtout checking its empty ill be more than grumpy 10:08 kf okok :) 10:09 kf i added that to the bug :) 10:11 rangi i added stronger words :) 10:11 rangi there is no if possible :) we simply cant delete libraries data in an upgrade 10:12 kf i thought about leaving it alone 10:12 kf I didn't think about deleting it when there is something .) 10:12 kf but we will have to check - not sure if you can map it 10:12 kf all information into patron attributes that is 10:12 kf because I am not sure how it used to work 10:13 rangi its just a text field 10:13 wizzyrea crazy idea, maybe just leave it off of new installs? 10:13 rangi code wont match the schema then 10:13 rangi that would be worse 10:13 kf rangi: borrowers would be easy, was not sure about ethnicity - should probably be an authorized value 10:14 kf it's for 3.14 anyway I think 10:14 rangi definitely 10:14 rangi way too dangerous to do now 10:14 kf no sense to delete things right now 10:14 kf yep 10:14 kf I think I marked it 3.14? I wanted to 10:25 * rangi wanders off to bed 10:25 kf sleep well :) 10:38 gaetan_B see you later :) 11:14 * magnuse waves to nengard, then wanders off to find lunch 11:29 marcelr hi koha 11:42 * kf waves to marcelr 11:43 * marcelr waves back 11:44 * kf sighs 11:44 kf people rebasing their new feature now seems bad timing 11:44 kf enough bugs out there to fix 11:49 jcamins Is this surprising? 11:50 kf probably not 11:50 * jcamins didn't think so either. 11:50 kf but we have others as well - like oleonard :) 11:51 kf hi paul_p 11:51 paul_p hi kf & others 11:52 paul_p @later tell chris_n, nope I haven't had any feedback about a problem with labels in unimarc 11:52 huginn paul_p: The operation succeeded. 11:53 paul_p @later tell chris_n, which version of koha, which context (your question is a little bit general i'm afraid) 11:53 huginn paul_p: The operation succeeded. 11:59 jcamins paul_p: whichever version of Koha is mentioned in the mailing list thread on the issue, probably. 12:00 paul_p jcamins (sorry, i've missed the ML, I just answered a "later tell paul_p") 12:00 jcamins Ah. Someone sent a message to the list asking why labels with UNIMARC were broken, I think. 12:03 kf morning jcamins :) 12:12 oleonard Hey #koha 12:13 marcelr hi oleonard 12:14 kf hi oleonard++ :) 12:33 tcohen morning 12:33 wahanui i guess morning is a state of cat 12:35 tcohen hi kf 12:36 tcohen i need to keep my testing site updating to the latest 3.12 snapshots, what's the repo? 12:37 jcamins squeeze-dev 12:37 wahanui it has been said that squeeze-dev is master 12:38 tcohen it is pulling 3.13* packages 12:39 jcamins Yes. 12:39 tcohen need 3.11* 12:39 jcamins They're the same thus far. 12:39 tcohen ok, thanks jcamins 12:50 kf hi tcohen 12:50 drojf hi #koha 12:51 tcohen hi drojf 12:51 marcelr hi drojf 13:05 drojf hi marcelr and tcohen 13:06 oleonard Is it to be expected that a search for "Lets go for a drive" doesn't return the title "Let's go for a drive" in the first page of results? 13:06 jcamins oleonard: unfortunately, yes. 13:06 jcamins We need some indexing changes. 13:07 kf the '? 13:07 wahanui the ' is fine ’ isnt 13:08 drojf lol 13:09 magnuse search rewrite? 13:09 wahanui hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 13:10 druthb http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710 13:10 druthb My talk has been accepted. :) 13:10 kf :) 13:11 oleonard 20 minutes is too short! 13:11 * druthb dances around. 13:11 kf hm it doesn't have a title 13:11 kf ? 13:11 druthb I know! But this conference is a TED-dish sort of thing…*everything* is quasi-lightning. 13:12 druthb kf; "An Ecological View of a FOSS Community: Koha" 13:12 kf ah :) 13:12 kf the problem olugbenga has 13:13 kf it's zebra not having indexed what it's supposed to match on? 13:14 magnuse the title shows up here: http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/user/9458 13:14 magnuse ...the title of druthb's talk, that is :-) 13:19 kf :) 13:19 druthb I'm speaking mid-morning on the second day of the conference. This is a Good Thing, as by the third day, most everyone is getting a lil run down. It's an intense con. 13:39 kf jcamins: hm do you know which state the frameworks in koha are now in? 13:39 kf it looks like we aremissing all the $0 subfields? 13:43 magnuse state of denial 13:44 jcamins ^^ exactly 13:44 jcamins kf: but the revised frameworks are sitting at PQA. 13:44 jcamins Which is probably the answer you wanted. 13:44 kf PQA? 13:45 kf and no, they don't have $0 13:45 jcamins Passed QA. 13:45 wahanui i guess passed qa is the queue jcamins should watch 13:45 jcamins Oh. 13:45 kf http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9353 13:45 huginn 04Bug 9353: minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Missing subfields on MARC21 frameworks 13:45 kf that's why I am a bit confused right now :( 13:45 jcamins Oh, I pushed it? 13:45 kf yep you did 13:45 kf oh 13:45 jcamins Cool. 13:46 kf could we point out somewhere that this is only for enlgish frameworks? 13:46 jcamins Go ahead. 13:46 kf I was thinking release notes 13:46 kf not sure where to put it 13:46 jcamins Sure. 13:46 jcamins Remind me when I'm writing release notes. 13:46 kf but now I wonder which updates they processed 13:46 jcamins Preferably with the exact wording you want. 13:46 kf as I can't find the $0 subfields 13:46 kf hehe 13:48 jcamins Nope, I don't see $0 either. 13:48 kf at least I found the marc documentation now 13:48 kf http://www.loc.gov/marc/up8bibliographic/bdapndxg.html 13:49 kf guess we will have to add some more. ugh 13:49 magnuse kf: are your marc21 frameworks translated to german? 13:49 kf if only that wasn't so unpleasant 13:49 kf magnuse: they are 13:49 kf but the official german translation was never updated... 13:49 tcohen kf, do u know which is the dataset for t/db_dependent/Search.t 13:49 kf which means that i don't know how to translate newer fields 13:49 jcamins tcohen: it comes with its own dataset. 13:49 magnuse marcmustdie! 13:50 jcamins Yeah, after acq the most unusable part of Koha is the frameworks. 13:50 * jcamins leaves 13:50 tcohen no no jcamins 13:50 tcohen dont leave :-D 13:50 tcohen does that test load the data set on its own? 13:52 kf tcohen: you can't stop him I think 13:54 gmcharlt @quote random 13:54 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:08 AM, November 14, 2009) 13:55 * druthb blinks 13:56 druthb @quote random 13:56 huginn druthb: Quote #222: "jcamins: test patches, don't feed trolls." (added by druthb at 07:49 PM, December 07, 2012) 14:00 magnuse ooh 222 should be easy to remember 14:02 magnuse bonjour clrh 14:03 clrh salut magnuse 14:04 clrh magnuse: how was you second week in marseille ? a little bit rainy I think 14:05 * kf waves to clrh 14:06 clrh hi kf 14:06 magnuse clrh: yeah, quite varied weather, but there were some really nice days, so all good! 14:07 clrh cool 14:13 tcohen kf, should I patch updatedatabase.pl to remove the stopwords table? 14:14 * magnuse would think so 14:17 kf tcohen: and remove the pref it wasn't yet I think 14:20 tcohen it was removed already 14:20 tcohen by the NZ patch 14:20 kf ah good :) 14:20 kf the nz patch? 14:20 tcohen NoZebra vestiges removal 14:20 kf ok 14:21 kf do we need to backup the data in there somehwere? 14:21 kf like create a text file from it? 14:21 kf or can we just drop? 14:21 tcohen i'm not sure we havea way for saving that data during update, or preventing the user about it 14:21 tcohen the table is unused corrently, not sure 14:21 kf hm 14:22 kf I mean, it's stop words 14:22 kf not very important data.... 14:23 tcohen i'll let the QA team discuss what to do with to-delete tables, and fix accordingly 14:24 magnuse tcohen++ 15:10 reiveune bye 15:17 tcohen has anyone successfully used Test::MockModule in a test for inter-dependent modules? like mocking C4::Context which is used by a mocked other lib? 15:22 kf tcohen: not sure - maybe check the tests that are using mock right now? 15:23 tcohen i'm struggling with writing the tests fro bug 9659 because of this, the ->mock ->unmock are not working as expected 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 15:30 kf hm sorry, I don't have much experience writing tests 15:30 kf maybe ask jcamins when he is around again? 15:30 chris_n seen this --> https://www.catincan.com/ 15:30 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', chris_n 15:46 oleonard nengard: Regarding Bug 10024, have you tried clearing your browser cache? 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10024 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , stars are radio buttons in both themes 15:46 nengard k you can close that 15:46 nengard and the other one 15:46 wahanui well, the other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine. 15:47 nengard they were both cause of some old code i guess i was holding on to 15:49 g_dusseault Hello! can you look at: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=ccsr&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2 15:50 nengard oleonard, i lied 15:50 g_dusseault for "Test local CCSR" there's a local image that doesnt appear with RSS feed and for "Test CCSR Amazon" there's an image from Amazon who appears 15:50 nengard bug 10024 is fixed with a clear cache in master - but not 3.10.4 15:53 oleonard Looks okay to me nengard 15:53 oleonard g_dusseault: What do you mean 'for "Test local CCSR"' 15:54 g_dusseault the name of the record: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=ccsr&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2 15:54 g_dusseault it looks like local image cover doesnt appear in RSS feed 15:54 nengard oleonard: http://model.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=47961&query_desc=kw,wrdl:%20the%20help 15:55 nengard what do you see? 15:55 oleonard g_dusseault: Local cover images in RSS was probably never implemented. 16:01 g_dusseault Ok i will open a ticket on bugzilla 16:02 oleonard nengard: I see the problem on the page you link to, but not in my system. I would suggest testing in an non-customized system to be sure. 16:09 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.213 pasted "Any clue why the last test doesn't work?" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/466 16:09 tcohen a good soul around? (with unit tests skills heh) 16:20 tcohen anyone? :-P 16:21 tcohen this is preventing a cute patch from inclusion 16:37 * cait feels tmpted to send a gentle reminder to the list that 3.12 is not out of the door yet! 16:38 liw release angst? 16:44 druthb @wunder 77098 16:44 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Royal Brook, Houston, Texas is 25.2°C (11:38 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 16:44 druthb @wunder austin, TX 16:44 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Austin, Texas is 8.2°C (11:31 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 16:44 druthb @wunder Amarillo, TX 16:44 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Oliver-Eakle, Amarillo, Texas is -1.2°C (11:39 AM CDT on April 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 16:44 druthb lordy. 16:44 druthb beast of a cold front headed our way. 16:45 * druthb pokes edveal gently. 16:45 oleonard cait: Why? 16:50 cait because people start focusing on new features again 16:55 cait or it feels like they do - and not talking about you of course 17:00 tcohen hmm 17:04 * cait might be just a bit grumpy about other things 17:05 cait and too tired 17:14 * tcohen sends cait good vibes 17:28 tcohen What's that "Koha timeline" thing? 17:43 tcohen found a workaround! 18:09 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Receiving Orders in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/j3l8MIC5gS #kohails" 18:16 cait thx tcohen :) 18:25 alaquerre Hi all, we are looking to migrate the RDA framework. Do you know if there is already work done on translation in french ? I know it exist in english. 18:25 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "ByWater Solutions Welcomes David Noe as a Koha Migrations Specialist http://t.co/mpKH1qIsVA #kohails" 18:26 cait alaquerre: I haven't heard anything - french uses are mostly using unimarc I think 18:28 alaquerre In Canada, we use Marc21... okay then, look like I will look at translate it :-) 18:28 alaquerre I'll post it back on the wiki once it's done. 18:29 cait :) 18:45 nengard QA team 1/2 the help files weren't QA'd can that go on someone's list? bug 9850 18:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 18:45 nengard they're all just text changes 18:47 cait they are already on the list 18:47 cait we are working through them as fast as we can :) 18:47 cait string freeze is may 1st 18:48 tcohen how can I generate an empty array reference? 18:48 tcohen (anonymously) 18:50 tcohen [] 19:02 tcohen cait, I forgot to run koha-qa.pl before sending unit tests for bug 9659 19:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 19:02 tcohen sorry for that, cannot fix ATM as am leaving right now 19:02 cait maybe just make a note? 19:03 tcohen there's a perlcritic error i think 19:04 cait in won't look at it tonight, but not sure about the others 19:05 tcohen ok cait, see u tomorrow! 19:05 cait have a nice evening :) 19:06 bag heya cait 19:06 cait hi bag 19:15 bgkriegel Hi 19:15 wahanui hello, bgkriegel 19:16 bgkriegel cait? 19:16 wahanui well, cait is qam, not your secretary 19:16 cait yes? 19:16 bgkriegel HI, bug 5858 has all missing "0" in framework 19:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Default frameworks missing many MARC21 tags 19:17 cait bgkriegel: awesome! :) 19:17 cait bgkriegel: I wanted to ask you about the state of the updates 19:17 cait does this include all fields now from the varoius updates to the standard? or is there more that we need to do? 19:18 bgkriegel it checked with loc site, with a script. I think that none is missing 19:18 cait ah 19:18 cait i wonder.. we had some recent patches adding missing fields 19:18 cait that were pushed 19:18 cait if those will collide with this one 19:18 cait guss we will se on trying to apply the patch 19:19 bgkriegel could be, i'll check 19:19 cait also only the default framework is changed 19:19 cait if you did it by script, maybe you could do the optional ones too? 19:19 cait not sure how hard that would be 19:19 cait and FA 19:20 bgkriegel yes, I touched only default framework. I could do the same with the others ... 19:21 bgkriegel to add missing fields/subfileds 19:21 cait bgkriegel: that would be quite cool rally 19:21 cait and an updatedatabase 19:21 wahanui an updatedatabase is missing a curly bracket? 19:21 cait maybe if you have no time, you could share the script? 19:21 cait I will need to update the german frameworks too 19:22 bgkriegel yes, of course 19:22 cait I think I was looking at bug 9353 earlier today 19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9353 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Missing subfields on MARC21 frameworks 19:22 cait that might be the one conflicting now 19:22 bgkriegel I see on the irc log 19:23 bgkriegel I have conflicts, I'll rebase and resubmit 19:23 cait thx for contacting me :) 19:23 cait cool ) 19:23 cait I will put it on my testing list 19:23 cait :) 19:23 bgkriegel :) 19:23 cait ah, I am qa contact already 19:23 cait so it will show up in my list 20:18 rambutan test 20:18 chris_n you passed :) 20:20 bag HA chris_n++ 20:29 rambutan I haven't found a chat client I like yet. With Thunderbird chat it's very difficult to tell whether you are logged on or not. 20:40 kathryn morning :) 20:40 cait morning kathryn :) 20:48 rambutan morning Kathryn 20:49 kathryn morning cait and rambutan :) 20:57 tweetbot [off] twitter: @27point7: "@jsicot updated our #kohails opac. better integration with Summon discovery tool 20:57 tweetbot ..: http://t.co/0ZxptjlaxL" 21:01 senator @marc 785 21:01 huginn senator: Information concerning the immediate successor to the target item (chronological relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase may be generated based on the value in the second indicator position for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8] 21:22 tcohen use Modern::Perl implies use strict, right? 21:23 cait yes 21:23 cait I think so 21:23 cait use strict and use warnings 21:23 tcohen koha-qa.pl or perlcritic complains of no use strict 21:24 alohabot Hi mib_e5dq79, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 21:33 tcohen bgkriegel: do u know if perlcriticrc provided by koha-qa.pl git repo is working on taking Modern::Perl as a synonym of strict+warnings? 21:33 rangi it will if you have that in your rc 21:34 rangi look in t/perlcriticrc in koha 21:34 rangi [TestingAndDebugging::RequireUseStrict] 21:34 rangi equivalent_modules = Modern::Perl 21:34 rangi [TestingAndDebugging::RequireUseWarnings] 21:34 rangi equivalent_modules = Modern::Perl 21:34 rangi you want that 21:34 tcohen yeap, but I unit test file i wrote is not passing that critic test 21:34 cait tcohen: if you copy the file form the repo in the right place it should work 21:37 tcohen it seems perlcritic is not using the file 21:38 tcohen used --profile to point to it worked 21:38 tcohen my setup must be kindof broken 21:44 cait night all :) 21:53 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Customizing the display of online resources like eBooks http://t.co/MAuanloBgt" 21:53 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Receiving Orders in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/A4VAM5S9t9" 22:30 mtj ooh, Test::Perl::Critic::Progressive does allow you to use a different 'perlcriticrc' file than the ~/ default 22:31 mtj i must have overlooked that 22:31 mtj use Test::Perl::Critic::Progressive ( ':all' ); 22:31 mtj set_critic_args(-profile => 'your/koha/perlcriticrc); 22:31 mtj . 22:33 eythian hi 22:33 mtj heya eythian :) 22:34 eythian hmm, I know I have messages in huginn but they're not being told to me 22:35 eythian oh, it's because they were addressed to 'eythian:'. huginn needs to be smarter about that. 22:36 mtj aah, good that you spotted the problem, tho 22:37 mtj haay, i just found out that paul.fenwick is at next weeks perlmongers 22:37 mtj thats pretty exciting :p 22:38 * mtj is gonna try to make that one 22:40 eythian yeah, he is. If you got the emails you'd know :) 22:44 mtj yes yes, good point eythian :) 22:46 mtj ok, now subscribed to wgtn.pm list 22:55 wizzyrea I like how they do "browse" with a callout 22:55 wizzyrea http://www.iwonderweather.co.nz/ 23:01 bag heya eythian mtj and wizzyrea 23:01 wizzyrea even though it's a little glitchy on my screen, I thill like how it calls attention to it 23:05 mtj hey bagz, wiz 23:06 bag bagz in da house :) 23:06 wizzyrea actually I think koha would look fab with that kind of layout 23:06 mtj wizzyrea, the weather site looks nice - is it one of yours? 23:06 bag just trying to keep up with the mtjz ;) 23:06 wizzyrea i don't think so 23:07 wizzyrea doesn't look like it - it says generically "metservice" 23:08 rambutan site doesn 23:08 rambutan ....oops... 23:09 wizzyrea though their background image appears then disappears for me 23:09 rambutan 't display the image correctly for me. They scroll all the way across, but instead of stopping in the center they go almost off screen 23:09 wizzyrea it's a little glitchy 23:09 * wizzyrea suspects browser incompatibilities