Time  Nick          Message
23:27 dcook         morning #koha
22:16 cait          night all :)
21:58 eythian       it did that reasonably well
21:58 wizzyrea      that was my feeling about it after 15 minutes.
21:58 eythian       I used it to manage a project I was doing once, to see how well it would work
21:58 wizzyrea      hah
21:58 wizzyrea      what did you use it for?
21:58 eythian       it was pretty cool, but didn't have a really strong use case
21:58 wizzyrea      one time.
21:58 wizzyrea      i used it for 15 minutes
21:58 eythian       did
21:58 eythian       I sis
21:58 wizzyrea      also, people actually used wave?
21:58 wahanui       okay, eythian.
21:58 eythian       no wahanui, google is not a web browser, it's an advertising company with a pretty good search engine.
21:54 wahanui       google is, like, not a web browser, it's a search engine company
21:54 wizzyrea      google what?
21:54 * wizzyrea    yawns
21:53 eythian       google shut down wave, just so you know.
21:53 eythian       hi
21:49 talljoy       guess i missed her.....silly internet connection
21:48 talljoy       o/ druthb
21:40 wizzyrea      very quiet.
20:48 cait          *wave*
20:47 * druthb      does the Wave.
20:47 druthb        Hi, wizzyrea!
20:44 jcamins       cait: of wave. :)
20:37 cait          your favourite type?
20:37 wizzyrea      how is everyone today?
20:36 jcamins       My favorite type! :)
20:34 * wizzyrea    wave
20:15 cait          oh now I missed oleonard's departure :(
20:00 oleonard      Bye #koha
19:56 oleonard      Yes. ALL OF THEM!
19:55 cait          oleonard: are you going to fix all my bugs? :)
19:48 jcamins       Something Dada. :P
19:48 cait          don't know what you have there :)
19:47 cait          well
19:47 cait          ah
19:47 jcamins       Every single word includes the letter 'i'.
19:47 cait          hm
19:47 jcamins       It's a funny pun, apparently.
19:47 jcamins       It's the letter 'i'.
19:47 cait          Number i (or roman 1?)
19:46 cait          March 2
19:46 cait          maybe
19:46 cait          hm
19:46 jcamins       cait: I need German help: "Merz 2: Nummer i" <-- is that German? And what does it mean if it is?
19:46 oleonard      Oh yeah additem.pl doesn't care!
19:46 cait          not sure - but the translation didn't look right :)
19:45 oleonard      Maybe through item edit...
19:45 oleonard      "X hold(s) for this record. Are you sure you want to delete this record?" You can't delete a record with items, and you can't delete all items on a record with holds.
19:44 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated
19:44 oleonard      Bug 10002 is interesting... I don't think it's possible to trigger the error message in question.
19:43 oleonard      :)
19:43 * cait        shakes her fist too
19:42 * oleonard    shakes his fist
19:42 oleonard      Decreased 5 times?!
19:42 huginn        cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (773), "oleonard" (664), and "jcamins" (537).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-102), and "-" (-69).  You (cait) are ranked 5 out of 2453.
19:42 cait          @karma
19:42 cait          :)
19:42 huginn        cait: Karma for "oleonard" has been increased 669 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 664.
19:42 cait          @karma oleonard
19:32 another_peter jcamins: thanks.
19:30 jcamins       another_peter: if the first patch was signed off, submit a follow-up.
19:30 cait          thank you! :)
19:30 cait          oleonard++ :)
19:30 another_peter when I have a patch that has failed QA, do I submit a second patch, or amend the first one? The second one just changes a string.
19:15 oleonard      Yes, unless you're already fixing something on that page
19:14 another_peter it is worth raising a bug for the fact that opac-passwd.tt uses the non-existent "dialog error" class?
19:13 another_peter oleonard: thanks
19:12 oleonard      The error box is made with <div class="dialog alert"></div>
19:11 another_peter reveals a horrible mixture of classes
19:11 another_peter koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules$ grep -ri error * | grep -i class
19:11 another_peter in the OPAC, what is the conventional class to use for an error?
18:55 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Failed QA , deleting patron history missing errors
18:55 another_peter Joubu: the enhancement patch that you have put on bug 6506 after QAing my patch seems to stand alone - wouldn't it be better as another bug?
18:41 cait          :)
18:40 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10017 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Needs Signoff , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages
18:40 bgkriegel     no :) He added Bug 10017
18:40 cait          but it won't hurt :)
18:40 cait          bgkriegel: ah, he had mailed me :)
18:21 bgkriegel     hi cait, I just wrote to him and told that
18:08 cait          told him
18:08 cait          ok
18:05 jcamins       New bug.
18:05 jcamins       Yeah.
18:05 jcamins       cait: new bug, probably.
18:05 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8061 major, P1 - high, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Koha's templates do not cope well with right-to-left languages
18:05 cait          jcamins: do you want the new patch for ccsr ona new bug? (bug 8061 rtl languages)
17:59 druthb        hi, cait!
17:59 * cait        waves
17:49 jcamins       tcohen: whenever eythian builds them.
17:49 tcohen        jcamins, eythian, will we have fresher packages any time soon?
17:36 tcohen        nope, u where right
17:33 tcohen        oleonard: i think i don't have autocomplete on
17:21 jcamins       I see.
17:21 jcamins       Oh.
17:21 jcamins       What am I looking at?
17:20 tcohen        besides that, everyone is delighted on how 3.12 looks !
17:20 oleonard      When autocomplete is turned on that field has a fixed width, but I'm not sure it's necessary with jQueryUI. It might be a relic of YUI
17:19 oleonard      No, that's how it looks in master
17:18 tcohen        it might be fixed already, using weekly packages for testing
17:18 tcohen        below the submit button, the line is longer if on check out tab
17:18 tcohen        http://snag.gy/LonUk.jpg
17:18 tcohen        oleonard, could u take a look at this?
17:04 kf            bye all!
17:04 * kf          leaves :)
17:04 kf            heh
17:03 * jcamins     can't identify because huginn says I don't know my password.
17:02 kf            I can't identify... suffering from nick-shortedness
17:02 kf            we should add that quote
17:02 jcamins       Yup.
17:01 oleonard      Being RM leads to early curmudgeonation.
16:59 jcamins       Definitely too late.
16:57 kf            ah... that might be too late to tell him *hides again*
16:57 oleonard      A grumpy person who complains about things
16:57 kf            curmudgeon?
16:57 oleonard      jcamins: You're too young to be a curmudgeon
16:55 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , UniqueItemFields could have link to database documentation
16:55 kf            bug 10015 *hide*
16:53 kf            jcamins: feel free to 3.14 them :)
16:53 * jcamins     might. :P
16:53 oleonard      Nobody is going to complain about new bug reports
16:52 kf            and i feel better if all werid things I find are documented somewhere
16:52 kf            sorry for filing so many bugs, but I have some time to spend on testing :)
16:51 oleonard      Looks to me like it is
16:47 kf            is printcirculationslips deprecated?
16:45 Dyrcona       I don't thing it would be simple to translate it to Koha, but the code to pull data from Horizon would likely not change.
16:44 * Dyrcona     has shared some sample code via git for migrating from Horizon to Evergreen. I'll post the URL is anyone asks to look at it.
16:41 Dyrcona       jcamins: Horizon is simple to get data out of because you have the database right there in either Sybase or MS SQLServer.
16:41 jcamins       ;)
16:40 jcamins       Dyrcona: I think all SD products lead to misery and attempts at extortion.
16:40 * Dyrcona     has experience extracting data from Horizon.
16:40 Dyrcona       I missed the previous conversation. Which SirsiDynix product are we talking about?
16:32 druthb        If you have SirsiDynix extract the data for you, you'll pay and pay and pay and pay—50K, plus your next child, an arm, three legs, and the pound of flesh nearest your heart.  But there are better—and cheaper—ways to do it.
16:21 cabusmichael  good idea; I really don't think it will cost 50K, which is what this person claimed :)
16:05 nengard       you might even look at lib-web-cats and do a search for libraries that switched from your product to Koha
16:04 nengard       cabusmichael druthb is right (and she's the expert) it can totally be done and has been done a ton of times
16:03 nengard       hi cabusmichael>
15:58 cabusmichael  Awesome...I'll do some research...
15:58 druthb        I've done it, a *lot*.  Serials and Acquisitions from SirsiDynix are a little hard, but the rest is *trivially* easy, once you have the know-how and tools.
15:58 jcamins       Conversion is perfectly doable.
15:57 druthb        They're dead wrong.
15:57 cabusmichael  But others must have done it
15:57 cabusmichael  A librarian here thinks the data conversion is impossible
15:56 cabusmichael  Awesome...good to know...
15:56 jcamins       libwebcats is a good idea.
15:56 druthb        cabusmichael:   There have been a *bunch* of them, and I did migrations on quite a few.
15:56 jcamins       Yeah, there've been a bunch of libraries that went Sirsi -> Koha.
15:56 cabusmichael  Small academic
15:56 cabusmichael  Academic
15:55 kf            it should be albe to research for libraries that left sirsi for koha there
15:55 jcamins       cabusmichael: what type of library do you work for?
15:55 kf            also lib web cats maybe
15:55 cabusmichael  Okay, I'll check the wiki...I've had it with SirsiDynix :)
15:55 kf            sorry cabusmichael - not to confuse you - only teaching the bot
15:55 wahanui       Koha users is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide
15:55 kf            Koha users?
15:55 kf            Koha users is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide
15:54 jcamins       international koha users?
15:54 jcamins       koha users worldwide?
15:54 wahanui       i heard wiki was http://wiki.koha-community.org
15:54 kf            wiki?
15:54 reiveune      bye
15:54 kf            koha users?
15:54 kf            also the wiki might be helpful to find libraries in your area
15:54 cabusmichael  I'm in Philadelphia PA USA
15:54 jcamins       cabusmichael: the mailing list might be a good choice.
15:54 kf            yep and that
15:54 wahanui       mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
15:54 kf            where are you located?
15:54 oleonard      mailing list?
15:54 cabusmichael  I want to know specifically about data conversion
15:54 cabusmichael  ?
15:54 cabusmichael  is there a good forum I can use to find them/
15:54 cabusmichael  I'm trying to find a way to connect with other librarians who have done it
15:54 kf            that can be changed ;)
15:53 cabusmichael  I am a librarian interested in Koha, but we have a proprietary system
15:53 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Branch limitiations are not saved on creating a new patron category
15:53 kf            bug 10011
15:53 cabusmichael  Hi all
15:52 kf            you'd like better if we don't find them?
15:52 kf            what?
15:52 jcamins       Another?!?
15:50 kf            I found a bug
15:50 kf            ew
15:44 * jcamins     likes the word "benutzertyp."
15:44 jcamins       Eww.
15:43 jcamins       Ah.
15:43 kf            but I'd like to label one "neuer benutzertyp" and one "neue Kategorie"
15:43 kf            New category for both
15:43 kf            I am feeling very perfectionistic lately
15:43 jcamins       kf: don't they just say "New"?
15:43 kf            g
15:43 * kf          ponders filing another tiny bu
15:43 kf            meh. patron category new button and authorized value new button are labelled the same
15:42 jcamins       I just wasn't certain it was German, and I wanted to be sure before I wrote that it was. ;)
15:42 jcamins       No, that makes perfect sense.
15:42 kf            yeah, it does
15:42 kf            and always ready makes no sense?
15:42 jcamins       Which isn't at all Russian-looking, and I thought it looked German. :)
15:42 jcamins       "Immer berait"
15:42 drojf         ah
15:42 kf            what#s the russian?
15:42 kf            oh
15:42 jcamins       drojf: it's transliterated from Russian.
15:41 kf            jcamins: do you need a translation?
15:41 kf            and so far apart from some weird translations looks good
15:41 drojf         depends on the context, but "allzeit bereit" might make more sense
15:41 * kf          is testing a brand new shiny package installed master installation right now
15:41 jcamins       Hello. :)
15:41 kf            and hello jcamins :)
15:40 jcamins       drojf: the former, but I'd also be interested to know if it makes sense.
15:40 kf            jcamins: always ready.
15:40 kf            heh
15:40 drojf         are you asking if those are german words or if it makes sense?
15:40 jcamins       It might be spelled wrong.
15:39 jcamins       kf: "Immer bereit" -- is that German?
15:30 kf            oleonard: note that on them :) in caps!
15:20 druthb        !
15:20 oleonard      Half of the 20 non-enhancement bugs awaiting signoff lack a test plan in the commit message.
15:19 * druthb      tries to picture this, and fails.
15:16 oleonard      Bug status: HULK SMASHED.
15:16 oleonard      I am going to go Hulk on the next patch I see without a test plan.
15:02 drojf         hi druthb
15:02 * druthb      waves to oleonard and drojf'
14:57 drojf         nope
14:57 huginn        drojf: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with anew question????" (added by kf at 01:13 PM, June 12, 2009)
14:57 drojf         @quote random
14:57 oleonard      Am I the only one who talks around here? :P
14:56 huginn        kf: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
14:56 kf            @quote random
14:43 huginn        druthb: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010)
14:43 druthb        @quote random
14:40 huginn        gmcharlt: Quote #179: "oleonard: Linux people are the ones who spend the longest pulling on the door that says push ;) "But pushing is /better/!"" (added by wizzyrea at 09:03 PM, January 10, 2012)
14:40 gmcharlt      @quote random
14:37 oleonard      Koha can be installed on Linux-based systems, and is best installed via packages on Debian or Ubuntu.
14:34 safealloys    Laptop
14:34 safealloys    I want to download it here on my system
14:33 oleonard      If you have a specific question about Koha functionality I can try to answer
14:31 safealloys    Cant we chat?
14:31 wahanui       hmmm... manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
14:31 oleonard      manual?
14:31 oleonard      safealloys: I suggest you read about Koha at http://koha-community.org/ and in the Koha manual
14:30 safealloys    are you there?
14:29 safealloys    What of the advantages in Koha over others?
14:28 safealloys    What of the advantages in Koha?
14:28 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page
14:28 oleonard      My fix for Bug 9957 has taken on some feature-creep: http://screencast.com/t/Oswi2iiCpf
14:28 safealloys    What the advantages in Koha?
14:27 oleonard      safealloys: I am not familiar with the features of proprietary library software, so I can't make any comparisons
14:26 safealloys    and vice-versa
14:26 safealloys    can you share with me Advantages that a licensed software has over Koha?
14:26 safealloys    Ok
14:25 oleonard      Quite well thank you
14:25 safealloys    How is Koha so far addressing library needs?
14:25 oleonard      Hello safealloys
14:25 safealloys    hello
14:24 safealloys    hi
13:45 drojf         :)
13:44 kf            I will make a note
13:44 kf            ok
13:44 drojf         no. "use your brain, use the right vm and don't collect so much garbage on your harddisk" might be a concept to follow. next time ;)
13:43 kf            i guess 'don't build packages then' wuld not be a good advice
13:41 drojf         yay, harddisk full while building package. every. damn. time.
13:30 kf            oleonard: ok :)
13:30 drojf         magnuse: i just changed the default values last time and forgot about it, but that does not seem like the straight forward way to do it ;)
13:30 oleonard      I don't want to do a new patch if I don't have to :)
13:30 kf            bit too busy here :)
13:30 kf            and talking about icons, sorry
13:30 kf            oleonard: do I have to speak up for my keyboard one? you kept the icon in your patch on my request, not sure if you want to do a new patch
13:28 kf            if you wanted to be default cc for i18n
13:28 kf            hm not sure who can change it, probably rangi
13:28 druthb        I've not gotten any email yet, no.
13:28 kf            druthb: did you get 10.001?
13:28 magnuse       drojf: i never tried -D, sorry
13:28 druthb        I did, for I18N/L10N stuff.
13:27 kf            oleonard: I was thinkig because of translations, but it's probably all ok
13:27 oleonard      I don't know that druthb volunteered to be a default assignee in Bugzilla
13:26 kf            shouldn't it be ruth now?
13:26 kf            hm but frederic is also wrong
13:26 oleonard      That's okay
13:26 kf            oleonard: sorry for 10001 - picked the wrong module
13:26 drojf         does the -D parameter for build-git-snapshot have no effect or is that just me? when i put -D squeeze i get --force-distribution -D "squeeze-dev" anyway?
13:25 kf            i marked it from git bz - then I added the comment. sometimes the status pull down has the old value then and it gets changed
13:25 kf            oleonard: ah, git bz playing games with me
13:24 oleonard      It's not marked as such
13:24 kf            oleonard: shouldn't it be?
13:23 druthb        kia ora magnuse
13:21 magnuse       kia ora druthb and NateC
13:19 tcohen        ;)
13:18 magnuse       i actually did not know you could do tab complete on command line switches...
13:18 magnuse       very cool
13:18 magnuse       yup
13:17 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide bash-completion
13:17 tcohen        magnuse, did you get my answer for bug 10003
13:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page
13:08 wahanui       i heard bug 9887 was relentless.
13:08 magnuse       bug 9887
13:08 oleonard      kf: 9887 is Passed QA?
13:03 magnuse       hiya tcohen
12:49 tcohen        hi magnuse
12:48 tcohen        morning #koha
12:43 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results
12:43 oleonard      What, before Bug 7000?
12:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11000 was not found.
12:42 * kf          is on a mission to file  bug 11000 for oleonard to fix ;)
12:41 kf            both lines are totally identical?
12:41 kf            i mean the probem
12:40 kf            but I am not seeing it
12:40 kf            i took a look at it
12:40 nengard       kf do you have any suggestions for my report question above? It got lost in this discussion
12:39 kf            I will file a tiny bug
12:39 kf            yeah, that's what I was thinking
12:39 nengard       They are currently Open
12:39 kf            hm ok
12:38 nengard       No, that should be 'Open'
12:38 kf            what about opened?
12:38 kf            ok
12:38 nengard       it can stay that way - but Serial Subscriptions is also right - that's why I said it could go both ways
12:38 nengard       Serials Subscriptions
12:37 wahanui       both are doing fine
12:37 kf            both?
12:37 kf            which one?
12:36 nengard       I'm okay with it staying the way it is
12:36 nengard       I think it could go both ways
12:36 nengard       Hmmm
12:35 kf            and also, the first tab - Ithink should be open? (not past?)
12:35 kf            serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions? :)
12:35 kf            [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/serialsearch.png
12:34 kf            uploading screenshot
12:34 kf            one sec
12:34 nengard       I missed the discussion .. .what can I help with ... reading back
12:33 nengard       (actually if we're doing wishlist - I want overdues with fines owed more than $100 total)
12:33 pastebot      "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "can anyone tell me why each line is duplicated in this report? I want overdues with the fines owed" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/465
12:33 wahanui       i guess nengard is fast
12:33 oleonard      Or nengard?
12:33 oleonard      I think serials, but get another opinion too. jcamins maybe?
12:32 kf            serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions?
12:32 oleonard      Sure
12:32 kf            oleonard: can I get some native speaker advice too?
12:32 kf            you can leave a note too: test with 9887 stupid ;)
12:31 kf            oleonard: of course :)
12:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page
12:31 oleonard      kf: I'm going to set Bug 9905 back to "signed off" so that you can test it again with 9887 applied. Is that okay?
12:29 kf            wonderful :)
12:29 oleonard      And there is already a bug report for the details tab sort
12:29 oleonard      Oh yes I did see that
12:29 kf            the date sorting problem is on the details tab
12:29 kf            and I noticed that I was testing it wrong all the time :(
12:29 kf            I passed qa on the circ datatables
12:29 oleonard      Where?
12:28 kf            oleonard: did you see my comment?
12:28 * kf          waves
12:26 Viktor        Hi magnuse
12:23 magnuse       hiya Viktor
12:22 drojf         hi oleonard
12:20 magnuse       hiya oleonard
12:19 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:11 drojf         hei magnuse
12:11 magnuse       moin drojf
12:08 drojf         good day #koha
11:41 magnuse       cool, one of my customers started using "quote of the day" 1.5 days after being upgraded to 3.10.x :-)
11:38 magnuse       :-)
11:38 khall         good morning magnuse!
11:38 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
11:38 magnuse       @wunder boo
11:38 magnuse       bonjour khall
11:12 kf            from sun to rain...
11:12 huginn        kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
11:12 kf            @wunder Konstanz
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10:07 * gaetan_B    is off to Kurdistan! bye!
09:54 vfernandes    the problem is that move_marc_to_authheader.pl only works to UNIMARC
09:36 kf            sorry, I don't knwo how that works
09:23 vfernandes    UNIMARC field 152 - Rules (normally to insert the authority type)
09:23 vfernandes    UNIMARC field 100 - Geral processing data
09:21 kf            i am not sure what it does and what the fields in unimarc are
09:21 kf            hm not sure really
09:17 vfernandes    in UNIMARC field 100 and 152 (type of authority) is filled automatically by the script, in MARC21 which should be the default fields?
09:16 vfernandes    so I need to change the script
09:16 vfernandes    i'm doing a update from 2.2.8 to 3.0.... everything worked fine with biblio, but with authorities not, because move_marc_to_authheader.pl script is only for UNIMARC
09:15 vfernandes    second question (tricky one)
09:13 kf            yeah... I am known to be not too good at that :)
09:13 vfernandes    sometimes we need to say "NO" to the clients.... ehehe
09:12 kf            oh ok
09:12 vfernandes    :)
09:11 vfernandes    don't worry kf... I already let know the client that isn't possible
09:11 kf            that only works with fine interval 1
09:11 vfernandes    yes...
09:11 kf            the problem in your description is the charge the day after overdue
09:10 kf            vfernandes:  not sure I understand you
09:07 vfernandes    the only way I see to workaround the problem is to charge after 5 days and then create a manual invoce
09:06 vfernandes    ok thanks...
09:05 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9768 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1
09:05 kf            look at bug 9768
09:05 vfernandes    so isn't possible...
09:05 kf            I didn't have a chance to take a look at that yet tho
09:05 kf            but it might work better in 3.12 with the new pref kyle did
09:05 kf            it will charge the first time after 5 days (implicit grace period)
09:05 kf            currently not, because when you give grace 0 with interval 5
09:04 kf            vfernandes: difficult question
09:04 vfernandes    1 - Its possible to charge a patron on the first overdue day, and then after 5 days, 10 days, 15 days (charge with a interval of 5 days)?
09:03 vfernandes    two questions people
09:01 vfernandes    hi :)
08:33 Dalian1       Great. I will try this thanks for your prompt reply.
08:20 kf            then you can activate it in the system preferences
08:20 kf            you need to run a script on command line to install the language
08:20 kf            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
08:19 Dalian1       from where ? I checked quickly the User Manuel but no clue about this issue.
08:18 Dalian1       plus English I want to have another language
08:17 kf            hm one second
08:17 kf            install additional languages?
08:16 Dalian1       Hi, we started implementing Koha system and I don't know where to modify or add information in order to have two languages for OPAC and library staff interfaces. Can someone help me with this ?
08:04 kf            :)
08:03 gaetan_B      hi bag, kf, not yet ;) getting ready to leave in a few hours now !
07:43 magnuse       thanks bag - sleep tight!
07:42 kf            thx bag, sleep well
07:42 bag           sleep well or enjoy the day you are starting
07:41 bag           alright night all
07:35 kf            hi gaetan_B - travelling?
07:35 wahanui       well, gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
07:35 bag           hey gaetan_B
07:35 gaetan_B      hello
07:30 kf            just...
07:26 magnuse       it was just shaking like crazy...
07:25 kf            wow
07:24 bag           oh man
07:24 magnuse       we were supposed to fly home thenext day, and the first leg of the trip was by helicopter, but the wind was so strong against us that the helicopter got nowhere
07:23 magnuse       i experienced 200+ km/hour once, in greenland
07:21 bag           yeah magnuse intense
07:20 magnuse       ooh, 3.10 in colombia!
07:19 magnuse       wow, 130 mph = ~210 km/hour
07:18 magnuse       and hi bag
07:17 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip
07:17 magnuse       at least bug #10000 has now been added, but not while i was making pizza
07:16 wahanui       it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
07:16 bag           heya magnuse
07:16 * magnuse     waves
06:54 bag           all in a days work for BobB
06:53 * BobB        returns to his work
06:53 christophe_c  hello
06:53 shalom        i'm so happy!!! thank you very much!!!
06:52 cait          bbl :)
06:52 shalom        heehee, i've been looking up and down for a solution for months!!!!
06:52 BobB          yeah, in the staff client especially, its better to use Firefox or Chrome
06:52 shalom        :*
06:51 shalom        thanks!!!
06:51 BobB          :)
06:51 cait          BobB++
06:51 cait          ah :)
06:51 cait          shalom: you shoudl have a complete 952 with all subfiels and set some to hidden if you don't want to show them
06:51 shalom        got it! thanks! i tried google chrome
06:50 cait          shalom: do you only have 7 in your ACQ framewrk?
06:50 BobB          hi reiveune
06:49 reiveune      hello
06:49 BobB          Do you have Firefox?
06:49 BobB          Well, depending on the version, that could be the issue.
06:48 shalom        ie
06:48 BobB          what browser are you using?
06:48 shalom        but i can only get a blank box under the item label
06:47 dcook         Gotta jet early today folks. Take care!
06:47 BobB          anyway, chance to do Las Vegas and Reno in the same year.  Why not?
06:47 shalom        i have set AcqCreateItem at receiving an order, create ACQ framework, set 952 subfield 7
06:46 cait          shalom: normally just ask your question and someone will if they have an idea
06:46 BobB          Just gorgeous.  Love the hat!
06:46 bag           but if you've got a fast car - 4.5 hours
06:46 bag           that's about a 6 hour drive from here
06:45 bag           oh man Vegas…
06:45 BobB          I have to go to Las Vegas.  There is almost nowhere I want to go less.
06:45 bag           BobB: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJquJaZdHZtXyspYGm7M7Q?feature=mhee
06:45 shalom        anyone can help me on my KOHA acquisition issue here?
06:45 bag           of LA
06:45 bag           it's a little north about an hour and half by car
06:44 BobB          lol
06:44 bag           the real attraction is Sonja (wicked nice and sweet) and Ginny
06:44 BobB          Its north of?
06:44 BobB          Santa Barbara is not LA eh?
06:44 BobB          There's a saying, dogs have masters, cats have staff!
06:43 bag           and he's super polite
06:43 BobB          At least they react.  They are warm.
06:43 bag           but he doesn't shed
06:43 BobB          Ahh, dogs are ok too.
06:43 bag           we have a dog
06:43 BobB          Wow, very nice.  Irma asks if you have a cat?  (She likes cats.)
06:42 BobB          but we'd sure like to
06:42 BobB          ... at least not both of us,
06:42 bag           if you are thinking of traveling afterwards - let me know - you both always have a spot to crash in Santa Barbara if you want to
06:42 BobB          I have to come to the States in June for business, so its not certain we'll be back in October ..
06:41 bag           good good :)
06:41 BobB          Yes we're thinking about it.
06:41 BobB          April and October are transition months
06:41 bag           hey BobB are you and irma thinking about coming to Reno for kohacon?
06:41 BobB          We have two seasons: summer and not summer
06:41 dcook         hehe
06:41 BobB          its not really winter.  I call it Not_Summer
06:40 bag           good and bad I guess :P
06:40 dcook         hey, BobB. It'll be my first full winter, I think. I was here through to mid-August last year.
06:40 BobB          hi cait
06:40 BobB          ahh pretty busy
06:40 cait          hi BobB :)
06:40 bag           how's everything with you?
06:40 BobB          heya bag
06:40 bag           heya BobB
06:39 BobB          will this be your first winter here dcook?
06:38 dcook         I had forgotten what blue skies looked like
06:37 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
06:37 dcook         @wunder sydney, australia
06:36 dcook         Sounds rather intense in any case!
06:35 bag           don't know if those last night were that
06:34 huginn        bag: Santa Ana winds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_winds>; Santa Anas: <http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/santa_ana.html>; The Santa Ana Winds | San Diego History Center: <http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/58january/santa.htm>; Santa Ana Winds FC!: <http://santaanawindsfc.com/>; The Santa Ana Winds: <http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~fovell/ASother/mm5/SantaAna/>; (1 more message)
06:34 bag           @google santa ana winds
06:34 bag           I think they have famous named winds here?  like Santa Ana winds or something like that
06:34 bag           ha
06:33 dcook         Or Nausicaa is going to look like a picnic in the park
06:33 dcook         Hope the environment never gets too angry at us...
06:32 bag           blew into the ocean
06:32 bag           the park I drive by everyday - there sign was gone
06:32 dcook         Eeep!
06:32 dcook         A town about an hour away from mine...street signs were bent in half by the wind
06:32 bag           and my car was blown around on the ride to work
06:32 bag           but the sound of the wind through the palm trees sounded like jet engines
06:32 dcook         When I was a kid, some of the stories were unreal
06:31 bag           but honestly I don't know or heard about major house damage
06:31 dcook         Ahhh, ok
06:31 bag           around us about 20 miles north - we had some big gusts maybe about 80 or so - but nothing insane for damage - besides trees down...
06:31 bag           and it was a spot on the coast where there isn't really much to slow it down at all
06:30 bag           I think that's gusts
06:30 dcook         At 130mph, I imagine houses must've had a rather rough go...
06:30 dcook         The thing practically lords over the rest of the yard
06:29 * dcook       is pretty impressed by the palm tree in his front yard
06:29 dcook         Wow...that is rather remarkable
06:29 bag           but not a single palm tree was knocked down - those things are awesome in the wind
06:29 bag           lots of trees down and palm fronds all over the place
06:28 bag           our table umbrella was in the neighbors yard when we woke up
06:28 dcook         What sort of damage happened?
06:28 bag           yeah 130 mph
06:28 dcook         cait :)
06:27 cait          dcook: no snow - quite spring like even with sun
06:27 dcook         Sweet jesus...
06:27 dcook         130 mph?
06:27 dcook         A bit disconcerting the first few times until we figured it out ;)
06:27 bag           HA
06:27 dcook         We have a mango tree in our back yard, so any time the wind started up in the summer, we would hear some fairly regular "thumps" on the roof
06:26 dcook         O_O
06:26 bag           I heard it got up to 130 mph just a little bit down the coast from us
06:26 bag           yeah the wind last night was CRAZY…  it was blowing through the palm trees - and it sounded like jet engines
06:26 huginn        bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 13.0°C (11:22 PM PDT on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising).  High Wind Warning in effect until 6 am PDT Tuesday... 
06:26 bag           @wunder 93102
06:23 dcook         At least it's not snowing?
06:19 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
06:19 cait          @wunder Konstanz
05:55 dcook         24 bugs? That doesn't sound right...
05:55 dcook         To clarify the "Garrr", it's the limit of elements that can contain noscript tags...
05:52 cait          but probably not much left in the coe by now
05:52 cait          hm
05:51 cait          there was more about ti
05:51 eythian       yeah, but AIUI, the category has no bearing on it at all
05:51 dcook         Garrr
05:51 dcook         http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/noscript.html
05:50 cait          if you give them permissions...
05:49 eythian       that's not quite right...
05:49 eythian       > Patrons within the staff category will have access to the staff client.
05:49 eythian       > Staff
05:46 cait          eythian: thx, but I still better get ready for work :)
05:46 bag           hey cait
05:45 dcook         morning, cait
05:43 eythian       I wouldn't tell
05:43 cait          morning all
05:43 cait          eythian: i think my boss wouldn't like that
05:42 * magnuse     waves resignedly
05:42 magnuse       wtf? another 25 cm of snow during the night?
05:39 eythian       you have a while to wait :)
05:38 bag           I'm still excited to see the next one though
05:37 eythian       go to bed, cait
05:32 dcook         trilogy*
05:32 dcook         But then how could you get a proper PJ triology? :p
05:31 eythian       yeah, there were bits I thought were a bit much, and it could have been a fair bit shorter.
05:25 bag           besides that I liked it…  I thought PJ did change the burning trees part a little more than my imagination had built it
05:24 bag           heya druthb
05:24 bag           I thought that radagast was too much, and the white orc…
05:23 druthb        http://www.burpandfartpiano.com/    #oddest things end up in my Facebook timeline...
05:22 druthb        o/
05:21 eythian       It was pretty good, I thought
05:21 bag           :P
05:21 bag           movie that is
05:21 bag           eythian: what did you think of the hobbit?
05:18 dcook         Odd indeed
05:17 eythian       but, they always used a slightly odd method
05:17 eythian       they definitely do work
05:16 dcook         I suppose instead of fixing it, we could scrap it...
05:16 dcook         Because the category_type variable wasn't being passed to the template
05:16 dcook         If I read my own notes correctly, the category_type conditions didn't actually work
05:13 dcook         mhm
05:13 eythian       yes, this
05:13 eythian       > Maybe we should take a step back and try to isolate what differences are really necessary and what differences might have originated with some library's specific needs.
05:12 eythian       yeah, but not hugely
05:12 dcook         Oh wait, I think Owen was actually trying to start a discussion
05:11 dcook         :S
05:11 dcook         Ah, right. It also gets more complicated, based on the type of patron category...
05:11 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9383 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Bad logic, missing params, and irregular labeling for Members scripts
05:11 dcook         bug 9383
05:10 eythian       there may have been, once upon a time
05:10 * dcook       rummages around for a minute
05:10 dcook         Well, Owen suggested that there was possibly a reason for it
05:09 eythian       it wouldn't be too hard to fix, either
05:08 eythian       yeah
05:08 * dcook       should really split his commit and re-submit regarding that one...
05:08 dcook         I think the edit screen doesn't match the patron detail screen either...
05:08 dcook         It's a bit inconsistent and confusing :/
05:07 dcook         Same with email addresses
05:07 dcook         Agreed about the re-visit. A lot of the field names are counterintuitive like phonepro and phone being called primary phone and other phone
05:06 eythian       I was thinking of just using 'address'
05:06 eythian       hmm, not a silly idea actually
05:06 eythian       yeah. Could do with a revisit some time, that whole area.
05:05 dcook         As for "department", we usually use sort1 or sort2 using authorized values and change of the template either using JQuery or a hard-coded change
05:05 dcook         eythian: Yeah...I wondered the same thing about contactnote. Still not a fan of that one...
05:04 dcook         Nothing like a fire alarm to give you a reason to stretch the legs
05:04 dcook         Hmm?
04:58 bag           :)
04:57 eythian       bag: http://whiskyweb.co.uk/
04:53 eythian       teehee
04:53 eythian       fax         => curry(\&literal, 'fax'), # Polio
04:52 wizzyrea      i wonder how many times I've said that in #koha
04:52 eythian       oh well
04:52 eythian       yeah
04:52 wizzyrea      just that it is.
04:52 wizzyrea      I dind't say it was logical or rational
04:52 wizzyrea      :)
04:50 eythian       wizzyrea: yes, associated with fields like "altcontactfirstname" :)
04:50 eythian       jcamins: seems plausible
04:50 wizzyrea      because it's the note, associated with the alternate contact
04:50 wizzyrea      I think dcook asked about that too
04:50 jcamins       To drive you batty?
04:49 eythian       I'd also quite like a "department" field for professional users.
04:49 eythian       why is contactnote associated with the alt address, and not called altcontactnote like would make sense?
04:48 eythian       ah right
04:48 jcamins       San Antonio for a wedding.
04:36 eythian       where'd you go?
04:27 jcamins       00:25 and I am off the plane. I kind of wish we'd flown back earlier.
04:23 mtj           rangi, the collasping gif ^^
04:21 bag           hey dcook
04:21 dcook         evening, bag
04:13 wizzyrea      hmm?
04:12 bag           evening all
04:03 rangi         hmmm
04:03 rangi         what?
04:02 mtj           yeah, that was flippin sweet
04:00 wizzyrea      ah that made me laugh.
04:00 wizzyrea      how about noooooooo
04:00 eythian       I think it's too short to trigger normally
04:00 wahanui       http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
04:00 wizzyrea      oh no?
04:00 wizzyrea      oh no
04:00 wizzyrea      hm
04:00 wizzyrea      oh no!
03:59 wahanui       okay, eythian.
03:59 eythian       wahanui: oh no is also <reply>http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
03:59 wahanui       ...but no is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg...
03:59 eythian       wahanui: oh no is <reply>http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
02:42 rangi         heh
02:42 * mtj         goes on a little twitter RT bender...
02:37 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "After 25 years NSW School libraries finally rise from DOS http://t.co/Ol4DLBGBuY via @theage #kohails"
02:10 wahanui       OK, eythian.
02:10 eythian       wahanui: git tips is http://blog.apiaxle.com/post/handy-git-tips-to-stop-you-getting-fired/
01:49 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @KohaJenkins: "#kohails test test"
01:09 mtompset      Yes. Back in my home and native land. :)
01:01 dcook         Back in Canada?
00:55 mtompset      Greetings, dcook.
00:55 dcook         hey ya mtompset
00:53 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
00:52 mtj           hopefully some network caching, helping out there… but still :/
00:51 jcamins       Yup. Round trip every query.
00:50 jcamins       Yay! We have a gate!
00:50 mtj           hmm, i can see how that might be a speed hit, jcamins  :/
00:50 jcamins       We are presently sittinf on the plane waiting for a gate to open in Atlanta.
00:49 jcamins       Thankfully it was.
00:49 jcamins       lol
00:49 mtj           jcamins, lets hope thats the only thing to strike you at 10k feet!
00:48 jcamins       That struck me at 10k feet.
00:47 jcamins       wizzyrea, it occurs to me there is probably a severe performance penalty for remote stylesheets, but I haven't tried.
00:39 dcook         Seems pretty common for people to run xbmc on it
00:36 dcook         I've been thinking about picking one up even just to use as a media centre
00:36 dcook         Hmmm...that's not a bad idea...
00:36 mtj           plug it into your home network - always on, low-power… just sits there doing its thing
00:35 mtj           as wiz said… its a perfect little project for an rpi
00:32 mtj           yeah, finding a suitable box to run your always-on bouncer, can be a problem
00:30 dcook         I thought about running it from home, but that server is more for fun/learning than anything, so I don't want to leave it on all the time
00:30 dcook         Not really sure where to run it though
00:29 dcook         Does look like a pretty straightforward install
00:29 dcook         mtj: I was looking at znc a little bit earlier
00:29 dcook         hehe
00:28 mtj           its idiot-proof
00:27 mtj           dcook, have a go with znc, as a irc bouncer/proxy thingy -> http://wiki.znc.in/Installation