Time Nick Message 00:00 jcamins Someone said that on a comment to Galen's blog post. 00:00 jcamins Right now I'm trying to confirm. 00:01 jcamins Wow, yeah. 00:01 jcamins Wait. 00:01 jcamins Maybe. 00:02 jcamins They don't really make it clear. 00:02 * jcamins will try. 00:02 rangi heh 00:03 jcamins Yes. 00:03 jcamins It does work. 00:03 jcamins And it even appears to return valid UTF-8!!! 00:03 rangi nice! 00:08 dcook :D 00:19 dcook [off] passive aggressive people...grrr 00:19 jcamins [off] Agreed, but I wasn't complaining on this channel, was I? 00:20 jcamins mtj: around? 00:21 dcook [off] Hehe. I certainly wasn't meaning you :P 00:22 jcamins [off] I was concerned for a bit that I was venting about a passive-aggressive individual I had to work with on this channel rather than the unlogged channel. 00:22 Guest1079 there is an unlogged channel?! 00:22 jcamins Not for Koha. 01:43 mtj jcamins, about now 01:45 eythian wahanui: about now is <reply>the funk soul brother 01:45 wahanui OK, eythian. 01:45 wizzyrea the funk soul brother is <reply> check it out now 01:48 jcamins mtj: on bug 9172, it'd be better if you could sign off on a branch and make that available for merging. 01:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 01:49 mtj jcamins, hmm - how do i sign off on a branch? 01:50 jcamins mtj: interactive rebase or filter-branch. 01:50 jcamins I generally use interactive rebase. 01:51 mtj oooh -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_a_pushed_branch 01:52 mtj 1st result from google on 'git sign off on a branch' :) 01:52 eythian or just git commit --amend -s if there's only one patch 01:52 jcamins Cool. 01:53 mtj hmm, ok - ill give it a go... 02:32 mtj jcamins, how bout that? -> https://github.com/KohaAloha/Koha-Dev/tree/bug_9172 02:33 jcamins Looks good, thanks. 02:34 jcamins Stick a link on the bug so I can find it next time I'm pushing? 02:35 mtj done 02:41 jcamins Thanks. 02:43 alohabot Hi mib_198sil, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 02:45 quocuy Hello #koha 02:46 bag evening 02:55 jcamins You know what is idiotic? 02:55 jcamins I will show you. 02:56 jcamins 10/11/2010 0:00:00 02:56 jcamins ^^ that is idiotic 02:57 eythian I had a date: 19881603 ... that's possibly worse 02:57 eythian In related news, Time::Piece->strptime(%Y%m%d) will turn 20073101 into 2007-03-10 rather than fail. I'm not sure I agree with its position there. 02:58 * wizzyrea blinks 03:00 jcamins o.O 03:00 jcamins Oh, nice. There are literal newlines in this data. 03:00 jcamins ms_access-- 03:00 eythian jcamins: are you using csvtomarc? 03:01 eythian cos I have a trick for that 03:01 jcamins eythian: you do? 03:01 jcamins Did I miss it in the man page? 03:01 jcamins Or perldoc, rather? 03:01 eythian it's undocumented because lazy 03:01 eythian a \a will get converted to \n 03:01 eythian and \f to , 03:02 eythian so you can craft a search-replace over your data to convert troublesome characters into that, then they'll pass the CSV parsing and later get converted back 03:02 jcamins Ooh, nice! 03:02 eythian it's in the clean_string function 03:03 eythian I need to make it command-line configurable at some stage 03:03 jcamins Well look at that. 03:03 eythian I also find specifying -l often helps. 03:03 eythian it makes it a lot more relaxed about its CSV parsing 03:04 jcamins One thing... how do I replace the newslines if all I have is a CSV? 03:05 eythian I actually usually replace the ',', it's that that tends to mess things up. 03:05 eythian csvtomarc can handle newlines in fields just fine 03:05 jcamins It can? 03:05 eythian yeah 03:05 * jcamins did not know that. 03:06 eythian it's only when a line ends with something like blahblah"\n"next quote... 03:06 eythian that it gets really upset 03:06 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "example of CSV file pre-cleaning" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/455 03:06 eythian ^-- I often do that sort of thing, just to make it parse properly 03:07 eythian so fix a lot of commas and a handful of special cases. 03:09 jcamins Oh, wait, every line ends with 0 or 1. 03:09 eythian then adapt this: 03:09 eythian perl -p -i -e 's/(?<!"")\r\n/\a/g' library_conv.csv 03:09 eythian (which is when I had something where every line ended in "" 03:09 eythian ) 03:12 quocuy hi all 03:12 quocuy nice day! 03:12 wahanui you betcha quocuy 03:13 eythian wahanui: literal nice day 03:13 wahanui eythian: nice day =is= <reply> you betcha $who 03:13 quocuy betcha? 03:13 quocuy what does it mean? 03:13 eythian wahanui: nice day is also <reply>I'm going to go play outside 03:13 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:14 eythian quocuy: it's a slangish contraction of "bet you" 03:14 quocuy no, i mean have a nice day everyone :) 03:14 eythian used in an odd way there, basically the same as saying "sure is" 03:15 quocuy :), 03:16 quocuy hey all, i've changed Koha-Opac, should i put it in to Live DVD 03:16 quocuy check in http://library1.dreamlib.vn and give me you comments :) 03:16 jcamins Why would you put a customized OPAC on the live DVD? 03:17 quocuy i'll make 2 website, 1 default, 1 custom, 1 guide to help them to do that, if they want 03:17 jcamins I don't think that's such a good idea. 03:18 quocuy just create 2 website with 1 installation 03:18 jcamins Yes, I don't think that's a good idea. 03:18 wizzyrea yea, I don't think that should go in the "canonical" live DVD 03:18 rangi yeah 03:18 quocuy ok :), i'm asking 03:18 wizzyrea i like it, it is neat, you are welcome to submit patches to have that included 03:18 jcamins Okay, fixed it in vim. 03:18 rangi it should be stock koha, so that people can upgrade safely, probably based on the packages 03:18 quocuy yes, live DVD in ubuntu 12.04 03:19 wizzyrea ^ what he said 03:19 wizzyrea it should be in stock 03:20 quocuy what do u mean "stock"? :) 03:20 quocuy ah, yes, understand 03:20 jcamins Any customizations on the live dvd are bad. 03:20 jcamins So any cool things that should go on should go into Koha proper. 03:21 wizzyrea right, I would probably be opposed to distributing as canonical a dvd with anything that isn't in the code base 03:21 quocuy make a dvd to update, 03:21 wizzyrea that the RM looks after. 03:21 quocuy Ok, i won't bring it to Koha DVD 03:22 wizzyrea and not canonical as in ubuntu... I mean it as authorized; recognized; accepted 03:22 wizzyrea thank you :) 03:23 quocuy and more, it's only some html and css code, which i added into system pref>Opac> 03:23 quocuy so better i'll make a guide 03:23 quocuy i love to play around with color, css, html :) 03:23 jcamins Yes. Much better. :) 03:24 quocuy ok, got it! 03:42 jcamins Well... 03:42 jcamins that was unexpected. 03:42 jcamins My database is full of HASH(0x...) 03:42 rangi stop smoking it then!! 03:43 wizzyrea *giggle* 03:43 jcamins lol 03:43 rangi and with that useful contribution, im going home 03:43 wizzyrea farewell :) 03:43 quocuy :) 03:43 dcook hehe 03:43 dcook later rangi 03:44 quocuy time for me to go, too. 03:44 quocuy today, maybe we'll see facebook phone :), i love this 03:44 quocuy bb all 03:57 bag hey dcook - how goes it 03:58 dcook hey bag. It goes. How're you? 03:58 bag same here 03:58 bag just feeling a little chatty for a moment before I dig into transfer issues 03:58 bag they usually always end in staff error :( 03:59 dcook I can relate to the feeling chatty :p 03:59 dcook Transfer issues? 03:59 dcook Staff error? 04:00 dcook What am I working on...serials and WCAG compliance for DSpace... 04:00 * dcook twitches at the mention of the latter 04:00 bag ahhh.. let's trade :P 04:00 bag heh 04:01 dcook I'm tempted but I'm not, lol 04:01 bag deal 04:05 dcook I guess we're pretty chatty :p 04:08 eythian http://i.imgur.com/uFlLMAG.jpg <-- that's a moa 04:09 bag HA 04:09 alohabot Hi mib_oabxzt, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 04:10 bag eythian: I'd like to see a kea (those big parrots that eat rubber and destroy cars) (do I have the right name?) 04:10 eythian yeah 04:10 eythian they're easy enough to find in alpine areas 04:10 bag yeah that's what I hear 04:10 bag are there any kiwis in the wild anymore ? 04:13 eythian bag: yeah, they're rare but are around in the wild 04:13 eythian some islands have had predators removed and kiwi are there too 04:19 alohabot Hi mib_iehlz1, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 04:21 alohabot Hi mib_pdizlw, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 04:27 jcamins Uh-oh. 04:28 eythian what'd you do? 04:28 jcamins One of my titles starts with a quotation mark. 04:29 eythian that might work. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. 04:29 jcamins This time it does not. 04:29 eythian It also makes it more likely to get confused by a badly placed comma further down the row. 04:30 eythian so it's often not the quote, but that plus something else causes the heuristic to fall over. 04:31 jcamins Actually, it turns out I had ~150 records that were broken by that. 04:32 jcamins Oh, look. 04:32 jcamins Access mangled my UTF-8. 04:32 jcamins Thanks, Access! 04:32 eythian imagine that! 04:36 jcamins So, other than the mangled UTF-8, I think the data is actually mostly in there where it belongs. 04:38 jcamins Actually, maybe Access didn't mangle the UTF-8 as bad as one might expect. 04:39 jcamins If I set the encoding to UTF-8 in vim, it automagically starts working. 04:40 bamalik hi 04:40 wahanui bidet, bamalik 04:41 bamalik have you any idea of virtual union catalogue? 04:42 bamalik thanks wahanui 04:42 jcamins bamalik: what do you mean? 04:43 bamalik a union catalogue using koha and z39.50 protocol, ok 04:44 jcamins You could do that. 04:46 bamalik jcamins: no, i want some help and info 04:47 jcamins Do you have a specific question? 04:49 bamalik jcamins: my question is simple: i want to create a union catalogue of two libraries (each lib have opac in koha) in two different cities, ok 04:49 jcamins I don't understand what the question is. 04:49 jcamins You can just add two branches. 04:50 jcamins (look in Administration under "Libraries") 04:54 bamalik jcamins: ok, i am an intensive user of koha and understand the administration well, do you have idea of virtual union catalogue please. 04:55 jcamins I just told you how to do what you asked about. 04:57 bamalik thanks, it is an advance topic and perhaps u have no idea of VUC, ok 04:57 jcamins Okay, I got my data loaded for tomorrow, so I'm going to bed. 04:58 jcamins Good night, #koha. 05:02 jcamins @later tell rangi Oh, I forgot to ask you, but could you please give cait/kf ops so she can kick people who come on #koha and insist on being vulgar? 05:02 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 05:50 dcook jcamins++ 05:50 * dcook waves to cait 05:50 * magnuse waves 05:50 * cait waves back 05:50 magnuse ooh, it's a wave party! 05:51 cait lol 05:52 * dcook waves to magnuse 05:52 dcook ^_^ 05:53 * bag waves 05:57 * magnuse waves to dcook and bag 05:58 * magnuse looks out the window and sees an eagle being chased by two seagulls 06:01 * dcook waves again to bag 06:01 dcook Party time! 06:02 bag what kind of eagle? 06:02 bag and that's really cool magnuse 06:07 magnuse bag: probably White-tailed Eagle, Haliaeetus albicilla 06:07 bag :) 06:07 magnuse it's the most common one, and the one most likely to be chased by gulls 06:07 * magnuse needs breakfast 06:11 * cait waves to bag 06:11 bag hey cait 06:26 dcook Time to call it quits for today 06:26 dcook Au revoir, everyone 06:31 marcelr hi #koha 06:39 magnuse hiya marcelr 06:40 alex_a_ hello #koha 06:41 reiveune hello 06:51 marcelr hi magnuse alex_a reiveune 06:52 magnuse bonjour alex_a_ and reiveune 06:53 reiveune bonjour magnuse marcelr and everybody :) 07:00 christophe_c hello 07:06 magnuse bonjour christophe_c and asaurat 07:06 asaurat hi! 07:12 christophe_c bonjour magnuse ;-) 07:12 rangi hehe 07:12 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kumara.git;a=blob;f=C4/Database.pm;h=f93c6770b580ec94e67bfb1fe555970e4181bc40;hb=2918fc16837e700e47fd563d7537630d14373d2b 07:13 bag looking at Kumara 07:16 rangi used to only work with postgres :) 07:16 rangi hm who was being rude i wonder? 07:17 bag :) 07:17 bag hey matts 07:23 matts hello ! 07:24 gaetan_B hello 07:26 magnuse rangi: rudeness personified http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2013-04-03#i_1220872 07:27 rangi all ill delete that from the log 07:27 magnuse yay 07:27 rangi ah you registered with chanserv magnuse? 07:28 magnuse yeah, i think i was at one point, but then forgot how to "log in" again or something 07:28 rangi ahh right 07:28 rangi we need to get a few more who can do that 07:28 magnuse that? 07:28 wahanui it has been said that that is a good idea. 07:30 rangi you are added now 07:30 rangi (kick ban etc) 07:31 magnuse woot! 07:31 magnuse or rather: moahahaha 07:31 magnuse ! 07:32 bag yeah clean those logs 07:32 rangi cait/kf needs to register with nickserv and I can add her too 07:32 magnuse both of her? :-) 07:33 rangi yep 07:33 magnuse yay :-) 07:33 rangi anyone else want to be added to the chanserv while im at it? 07:38 rangi guess not 07:40 magnuse deafening silence... 07:43 magnuse kia ora kf 07:44 kf hello :) 07:44 magnuse kf: better hide, rangi is looking for you! 07:44 marcelr hi kf 07:45 * kf is not scared of rangi 07:45 * magnuse admires the bravery of kf 07:47 magnuse hm, is there a way to renew *all* overdue loans? not just for one patron, but for all of them, in one fell swoop? 07:48 * kf nick cait 07:49 magnuse ooh, worlds collide... 07:50 cait magnuse: hmpf 07:50 kf my nick is invalid 07:50 kf says the nickserv thing 07:51 magnuse too short? 07:51 kf yes 07:51 kf and cait seems taken 07:52 kf @later tell jcamins ops are not working because my nick is too short. 07:52 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 07:54 rangi i can stll do it 07:54 rangi you just wont get it automagically 07:55 kf hm? 07:55 kf so what would I need to do to kick someone? 07:56 rangi type /kick nickname 07:56 kf but there are no bad persons around 07:56 rangi but first you want to do /ban 07:56 rangi cos else they will just come back 07:57 alohabot Hi mib_z7pozk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 07:57 rangi like that 07:57 rangi to kick 07:57 alohabot Hi mib_z7pozk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 07:58 rangi but then they just come back 07:58 kf h 07:58 kf hm I tried to ban 07:58 kf it says me this does not work with this protocol 07:59 rangi /ban nickname 07:59 kf maybe we shoudl better volunteer magnuse :P 07:59 kf I did that 07:59 kf got an error message 07:59 rangi you saw it work for me eh? 07:59 kf yep 08:00 kf give me another mibbit user? :) 08:00 kf so when the ops don't come automatically, you woudl have to do it manually all the time or can I do something to activate? 08:01 rangi no 08:01 rangi you cant without a registered nick 08:01 kf ok 08:01 rangi or someone will pretend to be you 08:01 rangi and get ops 08:01 kf so guess I am out 08:01 * kf volunteers magnuse for europe ops 08:01 kf but he already has them 08:01 kf so... 08:02 kf we just leave it as is I guess :) 08:02 alohabot Hi mib_z7pozk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 08:03 mib_z7pozk hmmm 08:03 kf Dieses Kommando funktioniert nicht in diesem Protokoll. 08:03 kf maybe it's my irc client not supporting it? 08:03 rangi that sounds like your client 08:03 rangi do this 08:04 kf sorry, have to run! 08:04 rangi /mode #koha +b *!*@ircip2.mibbit.com 08:04 kf_mtg nope 08:04 kf_mtg still the error 08:04 kf_mtg sorry, have to go! bbl 08:05 rangi mode/#koha [+b *!*@ircip2.mibbit.com] by kf_mtg 08:05 rangi it worked 08:06 rangi i better unban mibbit before i get tempted to forget to unban it 08:13 alohabot Hi mib_moabs6, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 08:15 mib_moabs6 I'm trying to add items to the catalog, but on the last step, when I click "add item", I get the following message: Can't call method "textContent" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/MARC/File/XML.pm line 456. Can anyone help? 08:17 rangi mib_moabs6: what version of koha? 08:18 mib_moabs6 3.06.01.000 08:18 rangi hmm thats a pretty old version, has it just started not working? or did you just install it? 08:19 mib_moabs6 just installed it 08:19 rangi hmmm 08:19 rangi why did you choose 3.6.1 ? 08:20 mib_moabs6 it dept did it, not me 08:20 rangi it was released november 29 2011 08:20 rangi well thats bizarre 08:20 rangi its a really old version 08:20 rangi the latest stable release is 3.10.4 08:20 rangi or in the oldstable branch 3.8.11 08:21 rangi but there are unlikely to ever be anymore 3.6.x releases 08:21 rangi id suggest installing a recent version 08:22 rangi and also, find out why they picked that .. maybe its linked somewhere and if so we should remove that link :) 08:22 rangi whatever bug thats causing your issue will have been fixed sometime in the 19 months since 3.6.1 was released :) 08:23 magnuse or if the it dept insists on 3.6.x, make them install the latest version of it, which is 3.6.11, i think :-) 08:24 rangi yep there were security fixes around 3.6.7 08:24 mib_moabs6 it's going to be difficult to get a newer version installed, but i'll give it a try. if we're stuck with this version, is there any place else where i can look for an answer to this? 08:24 rangi you definitely want later than that 08:24 rangi no 08:24 mib_moabs6 thanks for your help 08:25 rangi seriously, why on earth an IT dept would install an obsolete version is beyond me 08:25 rangi so they should have no issues fixing it i would have though 08:25 rangi t 08:25 * rangi goes to install windows 3.1 08:25 rangi :-) 08:26 rangi if you need ammo to get them to upgrade 08:27 magnuse lol 08:27 rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-3-6-10-released/ 08:28 rangi The Koha release team are proud to announce the release of 3.6.10. This is a maintenance and security release, and contains a lot of useful bug fixes, as well as fixing several serious security vulnerabilities. Everyone running an earlier version of Koha 3.6 is strongly encouraged to update to 3.6.10. 08:28 rangi IT depts 08:28 rangi you are doing it wrong 08:29 rangi i might get that on a tshirt 08:32 magnuse kia ora paul_p 08:33 rangi hi paul_p 08:33 paul_p hi rangi & magnuse & others 08:36 cjh wow, fresh 3.6 install 09:05 viktorsarge_ irc-question: I can't get my regular nick (Viktor) to work. It's registered and usually my client (XChat Azure on OS X) handles it just fine. Using the /NICK command does nothing. Any ideas what's gone wrong? 09:05 wizzyrea try /msg nickserv identify yourpassword viktor 09:06 wizzyrea :) 09:06 Viktor Yay! 09:06 wizzyrea highfive! 09:06 wahanui gimmie six! 09:06 Viktor Thanks wizzyrea! 09:06 wizzyrea yw, i had that exact problem earlier today :) 09:06 Viktor Usually I get logged in as Viktor but have to give the password 09:07 Viktor Always nice to get help from someone who knows. 09:08 wizzyrea it's like teaching nurses - see one, do one, teach one. 09:09 Viktor Yep :) It's much easier than patching together bits of information from forums all over the web (I'm looking at you weird Linux distros with driver issues ;) 09:10 wizzyrea my laptop webcam is *still* upside down, a year later. 09:10 wizzyrea (in ubuntu) 09:10 Viktor LOL - yep. Had those types of problems when I built a machine running Ubuntu from parts (without checking available drivers first) 09:11 wizzyrea everything else works a treat, so I don't much worry about it :P 09:11 Viktor Koha question: would using Ajax in circulation interfere with Plack? 09:12 rangi no 09:12 Viktor rangr thanks 09:12 Viktor rangi 09:13 Viktor Still thinking about ensuring that no scanned barcodes are lost and adding a que function. Using Ajax to pick up the barcodes and handle them without reloading the page seems like a good idea. 09:14 wizzyrea check out that would probably be ok, as long as all in process overrides are honored. 09:15 wizzyrea such as "this item is on reserve for someone else... override?" 09:15 wizzyrea or "this person would go over the fine limit... override?" 09:15 magnuse yeah, that would have to be taken care of 09:15 magnuse and hi Viktor 09:15 Viktor hi magnuse :) 09:16 Viktor Yes we would have to light up multiple boxes of "stuff to handle" - would it be possible to do that without rewriting the code behind the scenes? 09:17 Viktor I guess it's mostly returns.pl and circulation.pl that would have to be modded. 09:17 wizzyrea returns has to deal with things like reserves too 09:18 rangi modding them would be a bad idea 09:18 rangi they are designed to work with templats 09:18 rangi you are better off adding a new svc in /svc/ 09:18 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, rangi. 09:19 rangi to go along with authentication, bib, new_bib, report, etc 09:19 rangi one that is designed to be light, and pass json 09:19 Viktor Not familiar with svc :( But I think magnuse is which is what matters :) 09:20 wizzyrea I guess the plugins system can't yet accept a new circ module type plugin... or can it? 09:20 rangi dear god i hope not 09:20 rangi that sounds like a hideous security nightmare if it could 09:21 magnuse i think plugins are restricted to reports and tools 09:21 magnuse (not sure what "restricted to tools" means, though...) 09:21 wizzyrea i haven't piddled about with it yet. 09:21 rangi best to do it properly and build a restful circ interface, we have one for cataloguing, and reports already 09:22 rangi thats what the svc dir is for 09:22 rangi once you have that 09:22 * magnuse is not overly familiar with the svc dir, but would love to dig around in it :-) 09:22 rangi you could have all manner of UI on top of it 09:23 Viktor I'm listening but not familiar enough with the internal plumbing :) 09:23 rangi basically i dont want people touching the internals, ie modifying circulation.pl 09:23 rangi thats just too risky 09:23 Viktor Basically I'm trying to get find out how bug9844 might be done :) 09:24 magnuse bug 9844 09:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a barcode queue to checkout / return 09:24 Viktor To get rid of the bottleneck of waiting for the system to answer before being able to scan more barcodes. 09:25 * wizzyrea read barbecue instead of barcode 09:25 rangi yep 09:25 Viktor :) 09:25 rangi i think thats the wrong solution tho :) 09:25 rangi best to make a light/fast interface so taht the js can do ajax calls 09:25 Viktor Well it's spring. A BBQ would improve everyones mood :) 09:26 rangi you still cant finish the borrower until all the transactions are processed 09:27 rangi and if you are queueing client side 09:27 rangi you may issue stuff you are not allowed to 09:27 Viktor So we could call the relevant module multiple times behind the scenes without having to mod the .pl themselves? Sound great. 09:28 rangi basically if you build a restful circ client you can queue server side 09:28 Viktor Sounds like a plan! 09:29 rangi when all you are transmitting is a small piece of json to and from the server, and the page isnt being reloaded, it will be a zillion times faster anyway 09:29 Viktor This has floated quite high up on my list of stuff to pay to get done so I'm very thankful for you guys giving a hint on how to solve it in a community approved way :) 09:30 Viktor (back in a sec) 09:31 Viktor (back) 09:32 Viktor Oh and another thing - does anyone use online payment services in Koha? 09:33 Viktor Hi aquaman 09:33 rangi not in koha but with koha yep, hlt do, via sip2 09:33 Viktor Interesting! 09:33 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 09:34 rangi they also do payment at the selfcheck machines the same way 09:34 Viktor Didn't even know you could do that :) 09:35 Viktor I'm thinking about adding it to the Opac in the long run. 09:35 wizzyrea yea i'm not for that really. 09:35 wizzyrea i personally don't want koha handling money 09:35 rangi yeah what she said 09:35 Viktor I'm with you on that. 09:36 rangi id hate to see any kind of credit card processing stuff built into koha 09:36 rangi use some other service for that, they can get hacked by russian mafia 09:37 wizzyrea it's bad enough that we have to deal with fines and accounting. And that people feel inclined to put personal, really sensitive info in koha 09:37 Viktor What I'm thinking of is adding the ability to move to a third party that handles the payment and then returns (approved payment / not approved) 09:37 wizzyrea that would be ok 09:37 Viktor Good :) 09:37 rangi yep, you can do that now via SIP2 09:37 wizzyrea i mean, ok by me anyway. others may have differing opinions 09:38 Viktor Yep :) 09:38 rangi but if the service cant handle talking sip, punching off to dps or any of the other processing places would be easy to do 09:39 Viktor I'll have to look into that. It's not on the fast track list - but it would be great for people to be able to pay fines from home in a _secure_ way 09:39 rangi yep, they do at hlt already 09:39 wizzyrea rangi - you tunnel those SIP connections I presume 09:40 rangi they dont travel the net 09:40 rangi but yes 09:40 magnuse it's all done with pigeons 09:40 wizzyrea in tunnels :) 09:40 rangi (they are on their own LAN) 09:41 rangi you'd be mental to do SIP over the internet 09:41 Viktor :) :) 09:41 wizzyrea ohhh didn't realise that bit 09:41 Viktor Something like http://tech.dibs.dk/integration_methods/dibs_payment_window/dibs_payment_window_introduction/ might be better. 09:41 wizzyrea that the payment thinger was internal 09:42 rangi yeah the server that talks to koha via sip2 is on the same lan segment 09:42 wizzyrea wicked 09:42 Viktor Would it require any (extensive) Koha-plumbing to receive "payment done" and set a note in the database "payed online by" 09:42 rangi looks after the printers, and scanners and photocopiers too 09:43 rangi Viktor: not if it used an existing method 09:43 Viktor Great! 09:43 rangi but yes it would if you wanted to build some new thing 09:43 Viktor *me hoping no new things are required :) 09:44 rangi receiving payment done would never be enough of course 09:44 rangi thats just asking to be pwned 09:45 Viktor :) 09:45 rangi you'd ahve to generate a md5 hash or something that the service hands back 09:45 rangi or everyone will just send their own payment done messages 09:46 Viktor I shure hope they have thought about that - I use those kinds of services quite a bit :) 09:46 rangi they have 09:46 Viktor I sort of assumed there would be a bit of security hassle to get my head around when digging deeper. 09:47 rangi but koha will need to have changes made to do that, thats what i meant 09:47 rangi because that is not an existing method 09:47 Viktor I see. 09:48 Viktor well it seems doable with the technical stuff so next step will be sorting out the legal hassle of accepting payments. 09:48 Viktor Guess I'll come back to this question if I manage to talk nicely enough to our legal people. 09:49 Viktor Getting it done is sort of a 2014 thing if the most vital stuff don't eat all the money. But I'm collecting all info I can meanwhile. 09:49 Viktor Thanks for all the help!" 09:51 Viktor People just went for lunch here so I'll go AFK for a while. 09:53 samuel hi everybody 09:54 Viktor_away hi samuel 09:54 * rangi goes to sleep 09:54 samuel zebra give me headache. It doesn't work and i've seen this error "11:32:19-04/04 [fatal] lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory] ". 09:56 Viktor_away sorry samuel - far above my ability and lunch is calling. 09:56 magnuse samuel: package install? 09:56 samuel viktor: don't worry and lunch is soon for me 09:56 samuel magnuse: no, it's agit install 09:56 samuel a git 09:56 magnuse ah 09:58 magnuse is zebra running? 09:58 samuel yes, it seems, wait 09:58 samuel root@bibkoha:/var/lock# ps -aux | grep zebra Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html koha 1595 0.0 0.0 18192 488 ? S Mar28 0:00 daemon --name=koha-zebra-ctl.bibecp --errlog=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.err --stdout=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.log --output=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon-output.l 10:00 magnuse and are you running the command as the right user when you try to run whatever gives you the "[fatal] lock file" error? 10:00 wizzyrea running as the wrong user? 10:00 wizzyrea hehe 10:01 samuel yes 10:02 samuel koha@bibkoha:/var/lock$ zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 11:58:38-04/04 [warn] chdir /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios [No such file or directory] 11:58:38-04/04 [log] zebra_start 2.0.44 419ad759807269fdfa379799a051ed3a551c6541 11:58:38-04/04 [log] config /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg 11:58:38-04/04 [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/mod 10:03 magnuse maybe some dirs that have not been created or have the wrong permissions? "chdir /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios [No such file or directory]" 10:03 samuel yes, i think so, i'll test after lunch 10:03 * wizzyrea guesses permissions 10:03 wizzyrea make sure they are owned by the koha user 10:04 wizzyrea or whoever you are running zebra as. 10:52 drojf good day #koha 10:53 marcelr hi drojf 10:53 drojf oh my, a lot of people i have to be nice to from now on 10:53 drojf hi marcelr :) 10:53 marcelr yes before kicked out 11:13 jcamins Bwahahaha! Power! 11:18 magnuse my thought exactly :-) 11:19 drojf with great power comes great responsibility blah blah :P 11:19 magnuse yeah, right 11:19 magnuse :-) 11:19 drojf i for one welcome our new ops overlords ;) 11:20 magnuse wise ;-) 11:30 samuel magnuse: i've resolved my problem, zebra seems to run correctly 11:34 alohabot Hi mib_caczoy, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 11:35 alohabot Hi mib_gg0tzu, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 11:40 jcamins Wow... the guy on the mailing list who keeps on sending inappropriate messages just doesn't learn. 11:40 jcamins (not a Koha mailing list) 11:42 kf hey jcamins and drojf 11:42 drojf hi mighty kf ;) 11:43 kf only temporarily 11:43 drojf ? 11:43 kf you can't register 2 letter nicks with nickserv... 11:43 drojf ah 11:43 drojf that's a stupid rule 11:44 drojf what happened to our mailing lists? i think i did not get any mails the last days, only from bugzilla?! 11:44 drojf last emails on main list came on 30.3. 11:46 drojf two days ago from the dev list seems ok 11:46 jcamins There were a few messages from the dev list. 11:46 jcamins Three. 11:46 jcamins http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-April/date.html 11:46 drojf yeah i go those, that looks alright. but 4 days no mails on main seems strange 11:47 jcamins It does, doesn't it? 11:47 drojf let's face it, we answered all the questions 11:47 drojf game over 11:47 drojf :D 11:48 magnuse yay! 11:48 drojf i would have expected a fancier ending 11:48 magnuse hm, no april here: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/ 11:48 jcamins Someone should send an e-mail to the main list. 11:49 magnuse yup 11:49 * jcamins nominates drojf. 11:49 magnuse in possibly related new: where did irc.katipo.co.nz go? 11:49 magnuse s/new/news/ 11:50 jcamins magnuse: no idea. 11:52 drojf ok i'll testmail the list 11:55 drojf done 11:56 kf and? 11:56 wahanui and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ? 11:56 kf wahanui: forget and 11:56 wahanui kf: I forgot and 11:56 drojf nothing so far but it takes a few minutes sometimes 11:56 jcamins Not looking good. 11:57 kf wahanui: and is a boolean operator like or, and not. 11:57 wahanui OK, kf. 12:01 drojf hrm no, that is not looking good 12:11 magnuse i'd say 4 days without any messages is not looking good anyway... 12:12 jcamins Well, yes, that is true. 12:21 magnuse does anyone know who we can poke at katipo? lists.katipo.co.nz is not listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 12:22 jcamins rangi, I think. 12:35 druthb o/ 12:37 jcamins o/ 12:37 magnuse o/ 12:38 druthb :D 12:38 magnuse trying this with a new audience: is there a way to renew *all* overdue loans? not just for one patron, but for all of them, in one fell swoop? 12:38 jcamins magnuse: not that I know of. 12:39 druthb it would be relatively easy to write a script to do that from the command line, but there's not a way to do that in the interface, surely. 12:39 magnuse thanks jcamins, that's what i thought 12:39 magnuse yeah, that is the conclusion i am about to draw, druthb 12:40 magnuse i just looked at some of the sql i circ/overdue.pl and am now almost blind... 12:40 druthb hehehe. 12:40 jcamins lol 12:41 magnuse but yeah, it should not be too hard, if the objective really is to renew *everything*, without exceptions 12:41 druthb What you'll wanna do is select itemnumber,borrowernumber from issues, then for each, check to see if it *can* be renewed (there's a C4::Circulation func for that, I think), then AddRenewal, IIRC 12:41 jcamins Why would you want to, though? 12:42 magnuse druthb: yup 12:42 magnuse jcamins: cause a customer is asking for it? :-) 12:42 jcamins magnuse: I can't help but feel that they want to do something elese. 12:42 magnuse there are libraries that want to send out reminders, but they don't want to lean heavily on patrons unless there are actually people waiting for a book 12:43 jcamins Oh, they want more notices. 12:44 magnuse hm, maybe 12:45 jcamins That makes more sense than simply wanting to renew everything. 12:46 magnuse hm, i'll have to think about that while i walk the dogs, i think... 12:47 edveal Good morning 12:47 tcohen morning #koha 13:02 tcohen question: there was a proposal on koha-dev for being module maintainer 13:03 tcohen we didn't talk about it on the IRC meeting 13:03 tcohen will we? 13:04 drojf tcohen: you could put it on the agenda for next meeting http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013 13:08 jcamins tcohen: I think gmcharlt was waiting until he was elected to start changing procedures willy-nilly. :) 13:09 tcohen yes, thanks jcamins drojf 13:55 Viktor Does anyone online at the moment have local laws requiring anonymization of circulation history? 13:56 Viktor We do and I wonder a bit how to handle the fact that we want a decent amount of database backups which makes it possible to backtrack who borrowed what. 13:56 drojf Viktor: we have to do that in germany AFAIK. kf might be an expert ;) 13:57 Viktor I'll ask when I get the chance. 13:58 Viktor I guess it might be ok since it's not really a way to snoop around accessible to regular librarians. But input is appreciated :) 13:58 magnuse Viktor: we probably have very similar laws in norway. the question of backups is an interesting one, that i have never heard anyone mention 13:59 Viktor I think so too magnuse 13:59 drojf yeah it is an interesting question 13:59 magnuse my plan is to ask the norwegian "data directorat" ("Datatilsynet") what they think 13:59 Viktor I asked on Twitter to get local feedback but it's been quiet. 13:59 magnuse in norway, they are the ones who have the official opinion on stuff like that 14:00 kf Viktor: it depends on laws but not sure if there is explicit way to handle that 14:00 kf you need a concept 14:00 kf and you can't keep data you have no reason for to keep 14:00 kf so what would a library do with information about who borrowed what? 14:00 Viktor Interesting - we have Datainspektionen. They might know. They should :) 14:00 kf you can argue that you want to keep the last borrower (for some time) becuase the book might be damaged 14:00 magnuse kf: a concept? 14:00 kf but even that is a bit difficult 14:01 kf because when you don't notice on return at the circulation desk - how would you proof that this borrower was the one who damaged the book? 14:01 kf you have to describe what data you store 14:01 kf and when you delete it 14:01 kf what you do with the data 14:01 kf etc. 14:01 kf at least I have to :) 14:01 Viktor kf What we need isn't who borrowed what but being able to import older backups if more recent ones prove to be corrupt. 14:01 magnuse kf: yeah, the ideal is immediate anonymization. but what if you feel like you have to keep backups for a month? 14:01 magnuse or 2 or 3 months 14:02 kf magnuse: don't forget to update items and reindex 14:02 Viktor kf but I think we have quite similar laws. I recognize the way of thinking "explain why" 14:02 kf Viktor: backups are different I think 14:02 kf but you can't keep bakcups forever 14:02 kf and you need someone who checks that the backups really work 14:02 kf ... 14:02 kf we do a nightly full backup and hourly transaction logs 14:03 kf but not sure how many days they are kept 14:03 magnuse ooh, you ought to know that kf ;-) 14:03 Viktor magnuse and I will have to sort out how often and what intervals. But I guess I'll check backups with Datainspektionen. 14:04 magnuse Viktor: sounds like a very good idea 14:04 Viktor kf magnuse :) 14:04 kf Viktor: I think a month old backup of circulation data won't help you 14:04 jcamins Here in the US, libraries are encouraged to keep their circulation history so that the government can subpoena them. Most libraries choose to shred the information as soon as they can to avoid the pain of FBI investigations. 14:04 magnuse it will if you have a total crash and corrupt backups and that is alll you are left with... ;-) 14:05 Viktor kf Too little or not acceptable to lose a whole month? 14:05 kf there happen too many things in just a few hours, you would never be sure who has a book 14:05 kf Viktor: I mean your library will be a mess :) 14:05 kf what you need to keep because it's expensive to recreate is item and bibliographic information 14:05 Viktor kf agreed - It's only as a backup to the backup. Worst case scenario. 14:06 kf hm maybe 14:06 Viktor jcamins I love US librarians! 14:06 kf anonymize is key with Koha I think - because issues is used for stats and I think statistics for the counts of how many times items were checked out and the like 14:06 Viktor jcamins Any and all librarians of course :) But I love how they stood up to the madness. 14:07 * magnuse remembers the story of libraries putting up sign saying "the fbi has not been here today" and taking them down if they got a visit 14:07 vfernandes hello :) 14:07 jcamins When I was a student employee at my university library, we actually had special training for dealing with the FBI. 14:08 magnuse ooh 14:08 Viktor kf I shure hope that I'll never have to lose a whole month. It would be a mess. But I can't have Magnus verifying backups are ok every 10 minutes either ;) 14:08 magnuse "special training for dealing with the FBI" sounds awesome! 14:08 vfernandes one little question: it's possible to list a adittional attribute in patron cards? 14:08 jcamins magnuse: it wasn't as exciting as it sounds. 14:08 magnuse Viktor: oh i'd be glad to do that. by hand. ;-) 14:08 magnuse jcamins: too bad ;-) 14:09 kf can someone take a look at 9740? 14:09 kf I am not sure I get that one 14:09 magnuse bug 9740 14:09 jcamins bug 9740 14:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9740 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Failed QA , using XSLT modifies record authorized values 14:09 Viktor magnuse :) 14:10 vfernandes one little question: it's possible to list a adittional attribute in patron cards? 14:10 kf Viktor: hmm, how are backups and circ history related? couldn't you keep the backups and still anonymize immediately? 14:11 kf vfernandes: I don't know - maybe it's in the manual or bugzilla 14:11 vfernandes i've an attribute to save patron job, and I need to present it besides patron name 14:11 Viktor kf Yes we do plan to anonymize immediately. But if I restore a backup from two weeks ago I can still see who had the book at the time? 14:12 magnuse kf: but your backup will contain every checkout/loan/issue that was active at the time yu made the backup 14:14 kf I guess I am confused now 14:14 kf :) 14:14 kf I think maybe different things 14:14 kf part of data privacy is making sure the data is safe 14:15 Viktor Yep. I like safe. 14:16 Viktor It just dawned on me that a good backup plan for the database is in conflict with anonymizing loans (at least in theory). 14:16 kf hm I amnot sure it is, but right now my brain is in knots :) 14:16 magnuse kf: here's one view of it. libraries anonymize circ history so the fbi (or whoever) can't see what patrons have borrwed earlier. but if you have backups that go a long way back, the fbi could ask to see the backups, and so get access to at least a slice of the circ history 14:25 kf magnuse: so the answer is not keep backups? 14:25 kf :) 14:25 kf or maybe just export some tables, but not all. 14:26 Viktor Living on the edge :) 14:26 kf we discussed it briefly here... but not sure really 14:27 Viktor I just asked our official government body. Guess it will take a day or two though to get the reply. 14:27 kf Viktor: would be interested in the outcome :) 14:27 jcamins Viktor: just a day or two? 14:27 jcamins If I were asking for an answer from the government, I would expect at least a six month delay. :P 14:27 Viktor I'll give you a shout when I get the reply kf :) 14:28 Viktor jcamins I'm an optimist :) 14:28 jcamins Apparently so! 14:29 Viktor (but we do actually have quite good authorities in general. They do their job without to many stunts) 14:30 magnuse Viktor: i asked Datatilsynet about something and i think it took 3-4 weeks to get the reply :-) 14:31 Viktor magnuse The race is on! 14:31 Viktor :) 14:31 magnuse hehe 14:38 chris_n khall: I sent along a copy of the usermap script we use for pykota 14:39 khall thanks chris_n! 14:39 chris_n I'm not familiar with libwiki or I might be able to help with the rest 14:40 chris_n libki rather 14:42 khall chris_n, I'm the author for libki, so I can modify the client if needed. What I'd really like to do is integrate pykota with libki and koha. I want to be able to print as the libki username. So even if I'm logged in as 'public1', I'm logging into libki as 'khall'. So I need a way to send 'khall' as the print user. On the Koha side, I'll add some integration so creating 'print management fees' in Koha will add credits to the pykota da 14:42 chris_n since the script can be written in any language, maybe you can munge up something in php and take advantage of libki's api 14:42 chris_n heh 14:43 chris_n there you go :-) 14:44 khall I was hoping there would be a way for me to send the libki username as the user who is printing, but I don't know if it's possible. I can look up the username in the libki database, but I was hoping to avoid having to make a call to another server on the network. 14:44 gmcharlt @quote random 14:44 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011) 14:44 chris_n heh 14:45 chris_n khall: feel free to hang around in #pykota on freenode; sometimes rambutan is there as well 14:45 chris_n I'll be glad to help all I can 14:45 khall I'll have to do that. Thanks! 14:47 chris_n gmcharlt: out looking for heroes today? 14:47 gmcharlt chris_n: I am now! :) 14:48 kf chris_n: what is pykota? :) 14:49 Viktor chris_n I'm curious too. Anything starting with "py" gets my attention. 14:49 khall it's a print management system, written in Python 14:49 * chris_n looks around carefully for the snake 14:50 kf heh 14:50 khall http://www.pykota.com/ 14:50 khall MPL is losing over $1000 a year in people not paying for printed pages, so we are looking to implement pykota for the entire system 14:51 tcohen i have a db name, user, password, host, a SQL and want to use koha-create to generate an instance, any pointers? 14:51 tcohen (got to deploy 38 instances actually, want to script it) 14:52 magnuse tcohen: have a look at the --request-db and --populate-db options to koha-create 14:53 tcohen --request-db will ask me for input? 14:53 chris_n khall: ouch! 14:53 jcamins tcohen: I use /etc/koha/passwd 14:53 magnuse i have never used them, but they let you create an instance without creating a db on the localhost at the same time 14:53 Viktor Will PyKota talk to Koha and add the cost of printing something to a patrons account? 14:53 khall chris_n: yeah, in years past it wouldn't have been such a big deal, but budgets are getting tighter. 14:53 tcohen ssh koha-demo -lroot 14:54 tcohen oops 14:54 khall Viktor, I'm hoping to add that to Koha. 14:54 jcamins I'm pretty sure you have to go in and edit the configuration file if you're using --request-db. 14:54 Viktor knall That would be great! 14:54 magnuse tcohen: do "man koha-create" to get a description of the options 14:54 jcamins khall: why doesn't it just use SIP? 14:55 tcohen 'hmm, we are missing db host there 14:56 * jcamins glares at his web browser. 14:56 khall jcamins, why doesn't what use sip? The idea is, for the purposes of printing, to masquarade as the libki user, instead of the actual OS user. 14:57 kf khall: I think he meant for setting the fee :) 14:57 khall Libki does support SIP2, so it can act as a go-between of Koha and PyKota. 14:57 kf and authentication 14:57 jcamins khall: you can set fees using SIP2. 14:57 jcamins Nice and easy. 14:57 jcamins Not that I know how, but I know self-check machines do it. 14:57 khall jcamins, yes, that may be the way to do it. Or add a service API to Koha ( which may be more reliable ). 14:58 jcamins pykota doesn't already support SIP2? 14:58 khall General rant: why is there no SIP client library written in Perl? There's one for PHP! 14:58 jcamins That's a pity. 14:58 * magnuse thinks *everything* should support SIP2 14:58 magnuse khall: dpavlin has made one that might be used with a few fixes 14:58 khall That's correct, no SIP2 built into pykota 14:59 jcamins khall: because SIP is miserable to work with, and Perl programmers don't like being miserable? ;) 14:59 magnuse khall: https://github.com/dpavlin/Biblio-SIP2 14:59 magnuse jcamins: lol 14:59 chris_n jcamins: lol 14:59 khall agreed, I never thought I'd understand SIP, but I learned it under fire ; ) 15:00 magnuse khall: it's geared towards testing, so it's too verbose for actual use, but by just commenting some of the output i was able to use it in a project i work on 15:00 * magnuse wanders off to dinner 15:00 jcamins Zero-width selections are problematic in web browsers. 15:01 khall magnuse, thanks! I had passed that over before. I'll have to take another look. 15:01 khall I ended up writing SIP2 code by hand for Libki. I figure it's probably faster that way anyway. 15:04 * Viktor Is packing up to go home while pondering how nice the community is 15:11 datadoctor Hasta mañana! 15:12 reiveune bye 15:13 datadoctor When a borrower is created, would it be possible to assign patron-specific default messaging preferences? 15:14 jcamins You can set a default for the category. 15:14 jcamins Or set the actual messaging preferences for the patron. 15:14 jcamins You can't really have a default that only applies to one person, though. 15:14 datadoctor I understand. I'm experiencing a problem with legacy data. 15:15 datadoctor In the past, enhanced messaging was turned on, so I have some patrons with enhanced messaging preferences, and some depending upon category defaults. 15:16 jcamins There's a script for resetting messaging preferences to category defaults. 15:16 datadoctor Maybe I just need to delete the legacy messaging preferences, then the category defaults would take over. 15:16 datadoctor Wow! There is a script for that? 15:16 jcamins Yes. 15:16 datadoctor Very cool jcamins! 15:16 kf datadoctor: hm be careful 15:17 kf datadoctor: there is a script for that - but it doesn't work the way you said 15:17 kf they never really depend on category defaults - only what's in the patron account counts 15:17 kf if you create a new patron the defaults are copied into the patron account 15:19 datadoctor hmmm...I only have 1,927 rows in my borrower_messaging_preferences. 15:19 kf maybe I misunderstood 15:19 datadoctor or I am missing something... 15:19 kf but I think patrons that are not in borrower_messaging_preferences won't get notices 15:20 druthb They'll get overdues, and nothing else. 15:21 datadoctor Yes, we just turned on enhanced messaging preferences so that we can assign sms notifications for patrons. 15:23 datadoctor But found that only a small number of patrons have those preferences set - we're thinking the enhanced settings were turned on briefly in the past. 15:24 datadoctor I'm trying to figure out if I have to manually set everyone's messaging preferences ahead of time. 15:25 datadoctor We want the default behavior to be the same for each patron, but give them the ability to change their notification method later on, through the enhanced messaging preferences. 15:27 datadoctor The default behavior would be mobile no. sends to sms, no mobile + email sends to email, and no mobile, no email generates print notice. 15:27 magnuse datadoctor: you can set defaults on the patron categories 15:29 jcamins datadoctor: now that you explain what you want, that's not possible. You can set the defaults, but there's no way to have Koha make decisions about what the defaults should be based on other criteria. 15:29 datadoctor I am understanding what you are saying magnuse and jcamins. 15:31 datadoctor I'm imagining that to get the behavior I want I will have to script, using code from messaging.pm, to check the database for the conditions, for example mobile number present, 15:31 nengard qa folks - want to look at bug 9850 ? :) 15:31 jcamins Yes. 15:31 jcamins bug 9850 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 15:31 nengard once those are pushed I'll test the variable patch 15:31 datadoctor Then modify the specific patron messaging to assign sms notification to the patron. Thanks for helping me get a grip on the issue. 15:32 datadoctor I am understanding that what I want to do is a bit beyond what the system is set up to do right now. 15:33 jcamins Yep, that is the only way I can see to do it. 15:33 datadoctor The only way I could use the category defaults would be to assign new categories for "mobile" patrons, or "email" patrons. 15:33 datadoctor And that's not ideal. 15:34 datadoctor i would still have to modify each patron 15:35 datadoctor OK, thanks - I will let you know how this turns out. Our patrons really like our sms messaging service. We use a library consortium sms gateway to send the messages. 15:35 datadoctor Which are generated as e-mails. 15:35 datadoctor from Koha. 15:37 datadoctor We have a kind of failover built in to the overdue_notice.pl, to generate csv or html code if there is no e-mail address present. It would be ideal to include sms and other delivery methods in this failover capacity. 15:37 datadoctor If I come up with something useful, I will let y'all know! 15:39 datadoctor Correction: The emails are not generated by native Koha, it's a custom script for sending to the "mobile" number. 15:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #319 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #319: SUCCESS in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/319/ 15:39 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: fix typo 16:28 gmcharlt khall: out of curiosity, do you know of anybody using libki with Evergreen/ 16:28 gmcharlt ? 16:30 khall gmchrlt, nope, but then again I don't have a way know who's using it either. I know of a few libraries, but the project is still young and the mailing list is pretty quiet. 16:31 khall I really need to update the graphics on libki.org. Version 2.0 is far prettier than pre2.0 ; ) 16:32 khall the server is built on perl catalyst 16:41 gaetan_B bye ! 16:48 kf bye all :) 18:30 jcamins @quote get 123 18:30 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 18:30 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 18:52 chris_n lol 18:57 AlohaBrooke Aloha 19:00 mtj heya brooke 19:00 AlohaBrooke Anyone know how slick our EDI integration is at this stage? I found some oldish stuff about a Bywater coop joint thingy but aedunno if we have it up and running yet 19:01 jcamins AlohaBrooke: there is none. 19:02 mtj hey chris_n , nice to see you over in #openlibrary :) 19:02 jcamins There's a proposed patch for 3.14. 19:03 chris_n mtj: tnx; I've hung around there for a while now; I have a side project of doing an integration of their reader w/koha 19:03 AlohaBrooke Blech. Well I've mah answer now. Thanks :) 19:04 rambutan @seen bag 19:04 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 31 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <bag> yeah clean those logs 19:06 AlohaBrooke Logging. Blind mibbit on a touch is in fact the 9th circle of hell. Thanks for the answer though. :) 19:10 mtj chris_n, im hoping that koha and evergreen peeps might get more involved in some OL projects 19:11 chris_n yeah, OL seems to have be sidelined of late based on some discussion some months back 19:14 mtj yeah, i had heard too 19:15 alohabot Hi mib_2bt09z, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 19:20 khall General question, I have someone who claims that in Koha, when checking out items to someone with overdues, you only had to click the confirmation dialog once, and could then check out any number of items to the patron without seeing that warning again. I can find no proof of this. Can anyone verify or deny this claim? 19:20 khall They say it was that way in 3.8 19:21 cait khall: I think if you see the thing at all depends on a pref, but not sure if it showed up once or more times 19:21 cait I think we have turned it off 19:21 cait or at leat i believe os 19:21 khall yeah, you can set it to Warn, Ask, or Deny. But they are saying if you had it set to ask, it would only ask once 19:22 cait hm 19:22 cait no idea :( 19:22 khall I meant Ignore, not warn 19:22 cait check out 3.8and test it? 19:22 khall I did, it asks every time. 19:23 khall I'm inclined to believe he has a false memory, but I don't want to tell someone that unless I'm sure I'm correct. 19:23 jcamins khall: I am not 100% sure, but I only remember it showing the message every time. 19:24 khall me too. I can't find any evidence that he is correct 19:26 nengard jcamins will the help files make it in before gmcharlt does his branching? 19:26 jcamins nengard: I doubt it. 19:26 cait if not jcamins can still push them to 3.12 19:27 nengard k 20:13 cait morning wiz 20:13 cait hm gone again 20:17 cait hi druthb_away 20:17 cait hm 20:18 cait gues I am always too slow tonight 20:18 Guest1168 hehe naw I'm here sorry 20:18 wizzyrea word. 20:18 cait excel? 20:18 wahanui hmmm... excel is a bit stupid. 20:19 cait where is everyone tonight? :) 20:19 jcamins wahanui: but not as stupid as Access! 20:19 wahanui jcamins: sorry... 20:19 * jcamins isn't. He no longer has to use Access! 20:21 * cait puts a bowl of cookied in th emiddle of #koha 20:22 jcamins rangi: here's something that RDA could do: the 33x fields could be used to generate icons indicating the type of media. 20:22 jcamins Totally unlike the way that you can do that with the 008. 20:22 jcamins Wait. 20:23 bag afternoon all 20:24 jcamins bag: I was just thinking about you, actually. 20:24 jcamins I was wondering if ByWater's RDA stylesheet did nice little icons for media types. 20:24 bag actually I totally agree with you on that jared about the icons 20:24 bag no icons yet 20:24 bag actually edveal-phone is working on that 20:24 bag I think he was just working on the XSLT part and Joy did the frameworks… 20:25 bag as I understand it - RDA does add some new things into the 007 or 008? 20:25 jcamins Yes. 20:26 jcamins But more goes in the 33x fields. 20:26 cait bag: hm rangi did the framework on the wiki 20:26 bag yeah I think Joy did one as a blog post 20:26 bag about the same time 20:26 jcamins He never found a good reason for it, though. :P 20:27 bag and then let rangi run with the wiki version cait :) 20:27 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_frameworks 20:27 jcamins Oh, I was asking about the stylesheet itself, not a blog post. :) 20:27 wizzyrea ^ if it's not there, it doesn't exist. 20:27 edveal I have been focusing on the 33x stuff right now. 20:28 jcamins edveal: nifty. 20:28 bag right jcamins edveal is working on the stylesheet now :) 20:28 edveal jcamins I have not done any nice icons but that is an idea. 20:28 bag so edveal add in icons too :P 20:28 bag heh 20:28 jcamins There was just a conversation on AUTOCAT about icons. 20:28 cait bag: yep, she pointed to his framework :) 20:29 bag ahhh that's what I get for not reading talljoy's blogpost - sigh 20:29 bag and sssshhhhh 20:29 bag heh 20:29 cait anyway - rangi++ for doing it even tho he thinks it's really stupid :) 20:30 bag yup rangi++ 20:30 jcamins edveal: do you have any partners using the stylesheet? I'm very curious to see if it somehow makes RDA seem useful. I'm not convinced anything could do that, stylesheet or otherwise, of course. 20:31 bag agreed jcamins :) 20:31 bag I don't think we have anyone using it yet. we've got a few asking for the frameworks recently 20:31 bag like maybe 5 or so 20:31 bag but that's only the framework and not the xslt yet 20:32 edveal bag is right at the moment we don't 20:32 bag jcamins: once we have someone in production - I'll forward you that info :) 20:32 jcamins Ah well. 20:32 jcamins Thanks. 20:32 edveal jcamins I will let you know as well 20:40 jcamins Thanks. 20:40 * jcamins heads home. 21:12 wizzyrea what do you think, will someone, someday, want to integrate this with koha: http://mediacorecommunity.org/ 21:19 cait wizzyrea: dunno - where is everyone tnight? so quiet here :) 21:19 cjh wizzyrea: I am still waiting for the Koha OS project to begin. 21:20 cait hi cjh :) 21:21 cjh morning cait :) 21:21 eythian hi 21:23 wizzyrea hehe 21:23 wizzyrea that would have been a great joke 21:23 wizzyrea fo april fools 21:23 wizzyrea "koha OS - it does everything in your library, even make librarians coffee" 21:29 cait :) 21:30 wizzyrea khall, about? 21:35 bag wizzyrea: khall just took off for the say 21:37 wizzyrea ah fair enough 21:40 rangi yeah i didnt do my joke this year 21:40 rangi easter threw me off 21:44 gmcharlt makerspaces, 3D printers, and Koha can lead to something interesting for April 1st next year 21:45 gmcharlt as in: why settle for a mere OS? :) 21:47 bag WOW wizzyrea that santa barbara lactation link you just posted in facebook - Jessica Barton was our Doula 21:47 bag and she was an awesome lactation consultant for Sonja 21:47 wizzyrea oh cool 21:47 wizzyrea well sonja can fill out the survey :) 21:47 bag yeah totally 21:49 bag ha Sonja already did :) 21:50 rangi so who is gonna write a post for koha-community.org with the new release team 21:50 rangi not this guy, that's who 21:50 rangi :) 21:50 wizzyrea :) 21:51 wizzyrea I will, if I have a few minutes today 21:51 cait wizzyrea++ 21:51 cait now you will have to... I gave you karma :P 21:51 wizzyrea :) 21:53 eythian the koha lists have been quiet lately 21:53 wizzyrea it's because koha is awesome! 21:54 rangi hmm true they have 21:54 rangi the devel one is all good i posted to it today 21:55 rangi what could i post to the main one to check its all working 21:55 cait hm drojf messages koha today, I dind't check if it came through 21:55 cait we had that conversation earlier today 21:55 cait that it was too quiet 21:56 eythian saturday is the last I've seen anything on the main koha list 21:56 rangi yeah 21:56 eythian koha-devel has had stuff today 21:56 rangi mailman looks fine 21:57 rangi sijobl: are you about per chance? 21:57 rangi yep nothing in april yet 21:57 rangi i wonder if the mailserver feeding it is jammed 21:57 eythian anyone have any content to test it with? 21:57 eythian rather than just sending "this is a test" 21:57 rangi well if drojf sent one 21:57 rangi earlier 21:57 eythian hmm yes 21:57 rangi thats not showing 21:58 eythian might be a chance to consolidate all the lists into one server perhaps 21:58 rangi actually i was quite glad they werent 21:59 eythian ah right :) 21:59 rangi when lists.koha.org disappeared 21:59 rangi :) 21:59 eythian true 22:09 cait night all :) 22:17 jcamins wizzyrea: we already have video and audio embedding. 22:17 wizzyrea yep, but, see tmtowtdi. :P 22:18 wizzyrea and you know someday 22:18 wizzyrea someone is going to say 22:18 wizzyrea "I already use this make it work with koha" 22:18 wizzyrea because that's just how they do. 22:18 wizzyrea i'm not saying it's right 22:18 wizzyrea just that it is 22:18 jcamins wizzyrea: there is truth to that. 22:19 wizzyrea oh YES, Pianohacker!! 22:19 wizzyrea YES! 22:19 wizzyrea awesome. 22:19 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea 22:19 rangi yeah 22:19 * wizzyrea gladly pays. 22:19 wizzyrea now eythian, we need to know how many dollars there are in the awesome jar. go. 22:19 wizzyrea and top contributors. 22:19 ibeardslee wr? 22:19 wizzyrea :D 22:19 eythian ibeardslee++ 22:20 ibeardslee .. .. err wrong irc server 22:20 wizzyrea ah I love you guys. 22:20 wizzyrea oh I thought that was intentional :P 22:20 wizzyrea bc that was actually quite appropriat. 22:20 wizzyrea with an e 22:20 ibeardslee sigh .. yes it was, but so was the wrong irc server comment 22:20 ibeardslee eappropriat ? 22:21 wizzyrea on the end, smarty 22:21 ibeardslee mmm smarties 22:21 eythian wizzyrea: $ expr `grep 'for the awesome jar' Debian\ Servers-#koha.log | wc -l` - 1 22:21 eythian 12 22:21 wizzyrea :D 22:22 wizzyrea well, that's couple of beers. 22:22 eythian wizzyrea buys the cheap beers, apparently 22:22 trea depending on where you drink 22:22 trea ^ 22:23 * wizzyrea shrugs 22:24 jcamins Very cheap beers! 22:24 jcamins I think you might be able to get two lousy beers for $12 here in New York. 22:25 jcamins How did the the state get my name wrong? 22:33 dcook allo #koha 22:33 dcook wizzyrea: are you around? 22:33 wizzyrea hiyas, yep 22:33 dcook do you remember if there is an existing bug for ranking cover images in the OPAC? 22:34 bag ranking? 22:34 dcook I keep thinking that oleonard had a bug for it or was at least talking about it.. 22:34 dcook bag: Yeah, so that you could choose to first look at Local images then Amazon images then Google images 22:34 bag oh 22:34 dcook And if you find an image then you stop checking the other services 22:34 jcamins dcook: yeah, it's assigned to kmkale. 22:34 wizzyrea well cascading the covers has been something that has been a problem for a long time 22:35 bag well I know in 2009 or 2008 there was a patch from a guy at Howard county that started to look at that IIRC 22:35 jcamins He won't be doing anything with it, though. 22:35 bag Howard county that was an interesting one 22:37 eythian it was? 22:37 dcook Hmm, not finding the bug 22:38 * dcook looks more thoroughly 22:38 jcamins bug 7187 22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, In Discussion , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next 22:39 dcook Just found it as you typed that :p 22:39 wizzyrea I would be concerned that such a thing would cause performance delays 22:39 dcook I wonder why it didn't come up when I just searched for kmkale.. 22:39 wizzyrea but that kind of can't be helped I guess. 22:39 dcook Hmm 22:39 dcook Maybe 22:39 dcook Depending on how it checks, I could see it improving performance, no? 22:40 jcamins wizzyrea: I have a jury-rigged priority thing that loads both simultaneously, and tosses the efforts that didn't work and/or selects the preferred. 22:40 wizzyrea that would be good 22:41 jcamins Unfortunately, it does that by taking advantage of peculiarities in the OPAC I'm using it on. 22:42 eythian I've been planning a nice fancy way of doing this, but been waiting for libraries to want to give us money for it. 22:42 * wizzyrea points at the awesome jar 22:42 wizzyrea oh wait. 22:42 wizzyrea drats. 22:42 jcamins Ditto. 22:43 jcamins Though mostly I'm waiting for someone to pay you to do it. 22:44 dcook Yeah, admittedly, I don't have any real incentive at the moment to do it either, since it hasn't come up as a priority 22:46 dcook It might be worth it to still add a function to delete "no cover image" found if there is an image thumbnail existing for that record though 22:47 dcook Although again...we don't really deal with that, as we mostly hide the "no cover image available" anyway