Time Nick Message
23:59 rangi it does? that is handy
23:59 jcamins Cool!
23:59 jcamins LC offers Z39.50 access to authorities?
23:50 jcamins Number 3460 in the mtgox verification queue!
23:02 huginn rambutan: nengard was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <nengard> Thanks quocuy :)
23:02 rambutan @seen nengard
22:42 rambutan http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417399,00.asp
22:20 cjh h
22:20 cjh morning-is
21:24 rambutan 안녕 wahanui
21:24 wahanui niihau, rambutan
21:24 rambutan hi
21:20 wahanui bonjour, eythian
21:20 eythian hi
20:21 rangi cya oleonard
20:21 rangi heh
20:21 oleonard Bye #koha
20:21 oleonard I'd better stop my incessant chatter and get out of here.
20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9554 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , single quote in didyoumean
20:20 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9554: single quote in didyoumean
20:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #93: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/93/
19:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
19:54 * magnuse cheers Bug 9172 on
19:47 kathryn hiya cait
19:47 cait hi kathryn :)
19:46 kathryn hi all :)
19:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #93 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:37 rangi :)
19:36 magnuse ...but probably not tonight
19:34 magnuse thanks rangi, i'll try and do a new patch
19:31 rangi there we go, it doesnt apply clean
19:29 alohabot Hi mib_hello, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
19:29 rangi :)
19:29 * magnuse tries to find useful koha-stuff to do, instead of all the catching up on other things he *ought* to be doing
19:28 magnuse ...is what huginn was trying to say
19:28 rangi ah yep lemme check it applies
19:28 cait yum
19:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9772 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page
19:27 magnuse rangi: planning to push Bug 9772 - "Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page" to stable? if not, i'll close it
19:27 druthb cait: QAMsnack grilled cheese
19:27 wahanui :)
19:27 druthb wahanui: botsnack milk & cookies
19:26 rangi magnuse: huginn is trying to tell rangi: something :)
19:26 rangi heh
19:26 cait must be the rat poison druthb fed you... poor bot
19:26 wahanui cait: what?
19:26 cait wahanui, i agreed with you!
19:26 wahanui cait: excuse me?
19:26 cait wahanui: yeah, he totally is!
19:26 magnuse kia ora rangi!
19:26 cait morning rangi :)
19:25 rangi morning
19:25 magnuse yay!
19:25 wahanui i think magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
19:25 bag hey magnuse
19:25 magnuse hiya bag!
19:21 drojf koha…has…bugs? nooooo!
19:18 cait bag: but beware of the super powers that come with the job... finding bugs everywhere!
19:16 druthb d00d!
19:14 cait I think coding guidelines and qa script are good places to start :)
19:12 bag I'm a newbie so we'll start me off slowly :)
19:12 bag looking forward to it
19:12 cait learn to delegate is top on my list :)
19:12 cait oh I will try :)
19:12 bag not so much questions :)
19:12 bag well more like can you QA something dood :P
19:11 cait hm? questions?
19:11 cait um
19:11 bag now you'll be asking me more questions :P (which is a good thing :) )
19:11 jcamins lol
19:11 wahanui i think coolness is a factor way the hell down druthb's list, though it's on there. The ability to do druthb's editing in druthb's Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload. So far, I'm happy as a clam with this. I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard.
19:11 bag coolness
19:10 cait you got elected ;)
19:10 bag heya cait
19:10 cait hi bag
19:10 bag good day
19:09 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update circ and fine rules
19:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #318: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/318/
19:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #318 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:54 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
18:54 magnuse @later tell rangi: planning to push Bug 9772 - "Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page" to stable? if not, i'll close it
18:52 drojf heh
18:51 cait hmpf :)
18:51 magnuse welcome back, cait ;-)
18:51 * cait_afk nick cait
18:51 * cait_afk gives up
18:51 drojf thx cait_afk
18:51 cait_afk wb drojf
18:51 cait_afk but maybe leave him a note? guess he shoudl be around soon
18:51 cait_afk I think he has caught up
18:50 magnuse yeah, but how long is a while, especially around easter...
18:50 cait_afk and have been sitting there for a while - rangi looks at the queue all the time
18:50 cait_afk hm I think if they are pushed to master and enh you can close
18:49 magnuse *that are just "pushed to master"
18:49 magnuse gah
18:49 magnuse yeah, a status that says "this patch has been pushed to master and the rmaint has looked at it and will not include it in the stable release" or something similar would be nice - make it easier to close bugs that are just "pushed to stable"
17:39 tcohen its simpler
17:39 tcohen I'll send wizzyrea the patch so she re attachs it
17:38 cait_afk maybe afollow up?
17:38 tcohen it works fine when changing stuff from the UI
17:38 cait_afk not sure
17:38 cait_afk um
17:38 tcohen it is not behaving correctly when drawing the page with info from the DB (i.e. the -8 value)
17:37 cait_afk what's wrong? :)
17:37 cait_afk it depends a bit on the fix
17:37 tcohen cait_afk, jcamins: am i allowed to do a small fix to the patch when signing?
17:20 * drojf goes home
17:17 jcamins tcohen: please do.
17:16 cait_afk tcohen: all ok
17:15 oleonard tcohen: That's okay as far as I know
17:14 drojf i'm getting way too many ideas about that :)
17:11 rambutan you know, an arduino or Pi could do this--trip a release on the door or something simple
17:10 rambutan and make the "magic book" remotely programmable, so that it can be changed periodically?
17:08 drojf a library or my future house ;)
17:07 drojf if i'd design a library i'd put in some secret rooms with doors that only turn once you touch that one special book. offering fancy secret reading rooms with different themes
17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks
17:06 tcohen jcamins, can I sign on wizzyrea's folowup for bug 9894 or should a third party do?
17:05 drojf heh that's cool
17:04 gmcharlt e.g., touching a specific spot on a column would make nature sounds play
17:04 gmcharlt reminds me of the Evanston Public Library; when they remodeled a while back, the director had the builders put in a few easter eggs in the children's room
17:02 drojf speaking of gamification, i would still like to see ghosts walking through the libraries, and pills in the corners turning them blue for a while
16:59 drojf yay :)
16:59 gmcharlt book races!
16:59 gmcharlt dunno, maybe that should be an added option to Koha to join the gamification of the library bandwagon
16:58 gmcharlt heh
16:57 drojf ok that makes more sense than "you got three minutes, get your books NOW NOW NOW!" :D
16:57 oleonard And yes, general internet access
16:57 oleonard drojf: For managing public computer usage
16:57 drojf or i misunderstand and that is about general internet access being limited
16:56 drojf oleonard: i mean http://koha-community.org/olly-olly-oxen-free-integrators-koha-stand-counted/comment-page-1/#comment-17259
16:56 oleonard drojf: timeout system pref?
16:55 drojf opac time limit?
16:47 rambutan gmcharlt's survey is racking up responses already
16:47 rambutan test
16:43 oleonard Not the way we use it.
16:42 cait_afk oleonard: hm maybe it should be removed from the patron account too?
16:25 huginn talljoy: bag was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <bag> heh
16:25 talljoy @seen bag
16:12 oleonard Seems like a bug to me.
16:11 oleonard onloan is getting set to NULL when the item is marked 'long overdue (lost)'
16:11 gmcharlt call for information: http://koha-community.org/olly-olly-oxen-free-integrators-koha-stand-counted/
16:07 cait bbl
16:06 cait and if ti doesn't - we got a bigger problem
16:06 cait oleonard: yep it should
16:06 oleonard :(
16:06 cait so that might be too early to congratulate me
16:06 cait oleonard: I came out with 2 more appointments...
16:06 oleonard I mean = <date> ?
16:05 oleonard If something is checked out shouldn't it always have items.onloan = 1?
15:59 * oleonard congratulates cait on surviving the dentist
15:55 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add holds faq
15:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #317: SUCCESS in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/317/
15:55 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add holds faq
15:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #36: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/36/
15:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #317 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #36 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:50 nengard Thanks quocuy :)
15:29 quocuy i know :)
15:22 nengard :)
15:22 mtompset nengard is the monarch of documentation! :)
15:21 quocuy i often watched your video before
15:21 quocuy You are my idol:)
15:20 quocuy hi nelgard
15:18 reiveune bye
15:13 tcohen heh
15:13 tcohen I am not THAT crazy
15:12 mtompset Maint, Maint... next you'll be RManager in a few short months. ;)
15:11 tcohen RMaint
15:11 mtompset Congrats again on the RM position.
15:11 mtompset Greeting, tcohen.
15:11 mtompset Greetings, nengard. :)
15:11 nengard it's fun for me
15:11 tcohen heh
15:11 nengard but I am happy to continue doing it :)
15:11 nengard not much of a surprise
15:11 nengard :)
15:09 tcohen recently re-elected documentation manager
15:08 tcohen hi nengard
15:08 nengard hiya druthb and all
15:07 * druthb hands tcohen the Velcro, and waves to nengard
14:41 oleonard The question about maintenance releases sounds tricky, unless they're clearly enhancements.
14:41 oleonard I'd like to see this question followed up on. The list of bugs reported by me which are "patch pushed" are mostly assigned to me as well.
14:35 * gmcharlt makes a note to see if we can figure out a way to get bz to do that more easily
14:34 tcohen should we close bugs as soon as they've hit master?
14:34 gmcharlt hmm, yeah, that is one thing I like about Launchpad -- it makes it easy to keep track of the status of a bug on multiple release branches
14:33 tcohen so they know about it
14:33 tcohen several times i just didn't know if the bug should remain open for the previous versions release maintainers
14:32 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed; reporters closing their bugs (after testing to confirm that the issue has been resolved) is just an ideal
14:32 tcohen it is not always clear if they shuold be closed
14:31 * jcamins heads to distant Brooklyn.
14:31 jcamins gmcharlt: it would be, but we have hundreds or thousands of bugs that haven't been closed because the reporters never do.
14:24 gmcharlt (would be nice if more reporters did, though)
14:24 jcamins Reporters never close their own bugs.
14:24 jcamins Even if someone else opened the bug.
14:24 jcamins magnuse: close 'em!
14:23 druthb well, okay.
14:23 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
14:23 druthb wahanui: cookies?
14:23 tcohen hmmm
14:21 druthb at KohaCon, tcohen.
14:21 jcamins tcohen: when I was rmaint, you baked them yourself. :P
14:21 tcohen i was told that being rmaint meant free cookies, where do i get them?
14:19 kf_lunch and it will clean up the bug lists when you search for something
14:19 kf_lunch yep
14:19 oleonard And that idea makes sense too, since after something is "pushed to master" any bugs found should be addressed in a new bug report
14:19 kf_lunch and now I have to leave...dentist
14:19 kf_lunch :)
14:18 * oleonard got it
14:18 kf_lunch hm not sure that sentence makes sense :)
14:18 kf_lunch I personally think we should automatically close all bugs after release that were pushed to this version.
14:18 kf_lunch but I don't see that happening
14:18 kf_lunch i think we once said ideally the bug reporter should close
14:17 oleonard Is the answer different if it's about bugs reported by someone else being closed by the patch-submitter?
14:16 kf_lunch and for normarc noone else will... so
14:16 magnuse thanks gmcharlt and kf
14:16 druthb +1
14:16 kf_lunch ^^ agreed
14:16 * magnuse gotta run, will look for replies later
14:16 gmcharlt if I'm understanding your question correctly
14:16 gmcharlt magnuse: if the patches were committed to the relevant release branches, I don't think there's any reason why you can't close those bugs
14:15 magnuse hm, what's the policy about me closing bugs i reported and patched?
14:14 wahanui 9985
14:14 magnuse 10000 - 15
14:14 * druthb chuckles.
14:13 * kf_lunch nick kf
14:13 kf_lunch magnuse: ?
14:12 magnuse ooh, 10k-15
14:12 druthb Hi, kf_lunch.
14:11 kf_lunch jcamins: cjh
14:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9985 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The -r option to build-git-snapshot works only half way
14:06 magnuse bug 9985
13:55 druthb The Northeast Corridor and Acela service do, and they've recently added it on the Sunset Limited.
13:54 jcamins Yes, they all involve tethering. :P
13:54 druthb There are some.
13:52 oleonard Hah, internet on a train in America? :P
13:50 magnuse bring a long cable
13:50 druthb Also no showers. Bad idea, for this fat chick.
13:50 magnuse gah
13:50 druthb no internet.
13:50 magnuse druthb: lots of time for hacking ;-)
13:49 druthb Amtrak: Bus and train, 51 hours from Houston to Reno, 67 hours back, $279 each way. Never mind that.
13:49 magnuse oleonard: that, or we could spend some time debugging it too
13:48 oleonard magnuse: ...we could all be human flies by now?
13:48 jcamins magnuse: yeah, that happens to me too.
13:47 * magnuse uses the -r option to build-git-snapshot and gets some files in the destination dir and some in the dir above the current dir
13:46 magnuse if we all spent the money we spend on planetix on developing teleportation instead...
13:45 jcamins They sure are.
13:45 druthb sheesh. plane tix are outrageous!
13:44 quocuy now my poor VPS working with 25 Koha-site, almost they used it to test before using, with one installation
13:44 druthb 488 round trip from IAH via AA, 472 via UA.
13:43 quocuy i have search and ask about changing template depend on branches libraries
13:43 quocuy there is no guide in the internet, i think.
13:42 jcamins There is a way to do that, using an environment variable, but I don't remember exactly how off the top of my head.
13:41 quocuy today, some one told me that, it's possible do it with changing something in apache and mysql.
13:40 quocuy sorry all, an old question, is there some way to change header and footer on OPAC for each branch library?
13:36 oleonard Are the already-submitted proposals available to see somewhere?
13:35 druthb jcamins: Yah. I want to talk about what development has been done/is being done/needs to be done toward a truly multilingual Koha.
13:34 jcamins I need to figure out what part of KohaCon I'm going for.
13:34 * druthb chuckles evilly.
13:34 wahanui :)
13:34 druthb wahanui: botsnack rat poison
13:33 wahanui i haven't a clue, oleonard
13:33 oleonard wahanui: That means the title is rattling around in my keyboard?
13:33 jcamins Oh?
13:33 wahanui well, a title is right in the breadcrumbs
13:33 druthb Or a title.
13:33 druthb I know vaguely what I'm gonna do, jcamins, just haven't figured out an abstract for it.
13:33 quocuy so it seem i can't help?
13:32 quocuy i'm in russia
13:32 jcamins Someone suggested the search rewrite.
13:32 jcamins druthb: I'm not sure what I'm talking about.
13:32 druthb Guess Id better get mine put together then, hm. I promised Nancy a preso.
13:32 oleonard Where are you located quocuy?
13:31 wahanui KohaCon13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary
13:31 oleonard KohaCon13
13:31 quocuy only 2 weeks until presentations deadline! what presentation? :)
13:31 * oleonard does all his snooping through Bugzilla
13:31 jcamins chrish.
13:31 jcamins Found it.
13:31 jcamins Mostly I'm seeing conversations between Chris Cormack and Kyle Hall.
13:30 oleonard jcamins: Look in Bugzilla?
13:30 jcamins Does anyone have an e-mail address for Chris Hall?
13:28 quocuy i'll often be here, just today miss meeting about time. Ok i read all the meeting, you guys so humorous :)
13:27 druthb oleonard++
13:26 oleonard What the heck, let's double it again!!
13:26 druthb wahoo!
13:26 jcamins Of course.
13:26 druthb I hope you doubled my salary in the process.
13:25 jcamins You're chief bug wrangler.
13:25 jcamins Except you, druthb.
13:25 oleonard Everyone not present was bestowed the title "Co-bug-wrangler"
13:24 druthb I intended to be there, in the interest of not getting drafted for something *else*, but it just wasn't happenin'.
13:24 druthb Thanks, oleonard.
13:24 druthb o/
13:24 oleonard Congratulations duly-re-elected translations manager druthb
13:21 oleonard dcook++ # for testing
13:20 * oleonard will try again
13:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use DataTables on circulation page
13:20 oleonard I didn't really think Bug 9887 would make it on the first try.
13:20 jcamins Okay, not really. He did run for RM.
13:20 jcamins gmcharlt, for example.
13:19 quocuy ok, thanks :)
13:19 jcamins Indeed, we often prefer that people not be present, so that we can volunteer them for things.
13:19 oleonard quocuy: Yes, you don't have to be present to win :)
13:19 tcohen 10:40:10 <kf> #agreed Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy
13:19 jcamins Give or take.
13:18 jcamins tcohen: about once a week.
13:18 quocuy Ok AGREED: Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy (kf, 10:40:10) i saw it
13:18 tcohen how often are the squeeze-dev packages updated?
13:18 * oleonard prepares a vast tribute of riches to bestow upon the new RM, just to be on the safe side
13:16 quocuy it's ok, i already did it :)
13:16 quocuy ok, thanks
13:15 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_3_April_2013 <-- links to the minutes and the log if you're interested quocuy
13:15 drojf and you need to change your passwort
13:15 jcamins quocuy: you need to put a slash before the msg command.
13:14 drojf yes
13:14 quocuy so i missed the meeting?
13:13 quocuy ???
13:12 oleonard 10UTC was three hours ago quocuy :(
13:11 quocuy what time is it? i think 1 hour more will be the meeting?
13:11 quocuy why/?
13:08 jcamins quocuy: you missed the forward slash at the beginning.
13:05 quocuy msg nickserv register Hoangthuy1 nguyenquocuy_1102@yahoo.com
13:03 mib_hello /msg nickserv Hoangthuy1
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12:58 drojf to stop the terrorists
12:57 oleonard No idea who or why.
12:57 kf_lunch ew
12:56 oleonard Someone seems to have blocked IRC on my network today.
12:56 kf_lunch h oleonard :)
12:56 * oleonard grumble grumble mibbit grumble
12:55 kf_lunch magnuse: don't get lost!
12:52 magnuse or "wading through the snow"-ies
12:52 magnuse oh well, time for walkies
12:50 magnuse ah, that would do it
12:49 jcamins Yeah, it's 9 days old.
12:49 magnuse maybe ohloh is not quite up to date, though
12:49 magnuse the git page says 72 for me, ohloh says 69
12:48 jcamins They look about the same to me.
12:46 * magnuse has been keeping an eye on the numbers on ohloh, which are different
12:46 jcamins Three patches to go!
12:46 * magnuse aspires to getting ahead of wizzyrea
12:46 jcamins Yes, but a small, vocal minority would.
12:45 jcamins Hehe.
12:45 tcohen the vast majority wouldnt object i think, and we are a democratic community
12:45 jcamins That does not seem likely, does it?
12:45 jcamins lol
12:45 magnuse volunteer as rm lots of times in the future? :-)
12:44 jcamins git log --author=camins --pretty=oneline | wc
12:44 jcamins And git log.
12:43 * jcamins is perfectly okay with cheating on his statistics and counting merge commits.
12:43 jcamins git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html
12:43 jcamins gmcharlt has 1300 patches, and he'll be the one doing the the merges starting soon.
12:42 magnuse which stats are you looking at?
12:42 jcamins I doubt it.
12:42 magnuse just keep on hacking
12:42 magnuse sure you will!
12:37 jcamins And I'll never hit #4.
12:37 jcamins 58 more patches to reach #5.
12:36 magnuse success! \o/
12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9981 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort1 not automatically cleared when duplicating a patron
12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4862 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , "Browse by subject" is misnamed
12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9683 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Allow disable rewrite apache mod
12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9877 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on funds administration page
12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9970 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add datepicker widget default configuration to OPAC patron entry form
12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9535 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Patron card creator "Remove duplicates" function doesn't work
12:34 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9981: Handle sort1 field when duplicating patron
12:34 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: bug 4862 - Change label of Browse by subject or author to Authority search
12:34 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9683: Allow disable rewrite apache mod
12:34 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9877: Followup: FIX if the table is empty.
12:34 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9877 - Use DataTables on funds administration page
12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Plugins system is broken!
12:34 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9970 - Add datepicker default configuration to OPAC patron entry form
12:34 jenkins_koha * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 9535 - Patron card creator "Remove duplicates" function doesn't work
12:34 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9971 - Plugins system is broken!
12:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1134: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1134/
12:32 tcohen morning #koha
12:16 * magnuse fires up virtualbox
12:15 jcamins :)
12:12 magnuse i could build them myself, of course :-)
12:11 jcamins I don't have a particular milestone in mind at this point, but a lot more people install them than I expected.
12:11 jcamins magnuse: probably.
12:11 magnuse jcamins: will you do more beta packages? they are really good for testing things
12:06 * magnuse drops and recreates the db
12:05 magnuse yeah, probably related
12:04 jcamins Or, could do it, anyway.
12:04 jcamins That'd do it.
12:04 magnuse ah, the server was out of disk space for a while
12:04 magnuse nope
12:02 jcamins That doesn't seem good.
12:02 magnuse only has 64 tables
12:02 magnuse ah, the install is completely broken
12:01 magnuse lemme check
12:01 jcamins Could you have accidentally deleted the Version syspref?
12:01 jcamins Hm.
12:01 magnuse last update was during the hackfest, so ~2 weeks ago
12:00 magnuse current version is 3.11-1~git+20130328115425.5fe6d9f7
12:00 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt" (48 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/452
11:59 magnuse they are all Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<)
11:59 jcamins Oh?
11:58 magnuse and get lots of db errors
11:58 magnuse i upgraded the "master" package install
11:58 magnuse yeah...
11:58 jcamins Uh-oh.
11:58 magnuse hm, that's weird
11:54 magnuse ah
11:54 jcamins I think rangi.
11:54 magnuse who does that?
11:50 kf_lunch yes, give me ops! :P
11:50 kf_lunch ?
11:39 magnuse excellent idea
11:39 jcamins All power to the QAM! Soviets! Whatever!
11:39 drojf yay, more power to the qam
11:38 jcamins We should get cait ops.
11:38 jcamins lol
11:38 drojf oh the candidate for tourette syndrome manager was late for the meeting
11:36 magnuse good night dcook_
11:36 dcook_ Night all :)
11:36 dcook_ Andchat is a neat app :)
11:36 dcook_ Eythian++
11:36 dcook_ Almost home. Time to log off.
11:35 magnuse hehe
11:34 dcook_ Glad I didn't swear in frustration...
11:33 dcook_ Ahhh! Big puddle
11:33 dcook_ Convenient
11:33 magnuse yay for network policy
11:32 jcamins jaysql: we generally try to keep the channel polite.
11:30 jaysql i found a bug in koha:)
11:30 wahanui i heard koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
11:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9981' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b1a091a80c8b3f5f7c18889fd0712eb6d3add7f> / Bug 9981: Handle sort1 field when duplicating patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae0d137436c41b66fe975f3f0c0ed39f710b8df5> / Merge branch 'bug_4862' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=19d042a83
11:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #1134 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
11:23 jcamins magnuse: probably not.
11:22 * magnuse does not think koha is quite ready for that though :-)
11:22 magnuse heh, a math geek friend just pointed out this: "Since version 3, TeX has used an idiosyncratic version numbering system, where updates have been indicated by adding an extra digit at the end of the decimal, so that the version number asymptotically approaches π. This is a reflection of the fact that TeX is now very stable, and only minor updates are anticipated. The current version of TeX is 3.1415926; it was last updated in March 2008."
11:16 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:16 jcamins @later tell oleonard You know what might be nice? One of those static save bars on the patron edit screen.
11:13 dcook :p
11:13 jcamins But, good point.
11:12 jcamins Currently it doesn't work. That's why I proposed a rewrite. :P
11:12 * oleonard back soon
11:11 dcook Actually yeah. It would be nice to learn more about how it currently works and your vision for it
11:10 jcamins magnuse: ooh, not a bad idea.
11:10 dcook Hmm. Good question, jcamins
11:10 wahanui the search rewrite is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
11:10 magnuse jcamins: the search rewrite?
11:09 jcamins On the subject of presentations at KohaCon, anything folks would like to hear me talk about?
11:08 * wizzyrea goes to slee..zzzzzzzzzz
11:07 wahanui http://media-cache-ec3.pinterest.com/192x/ac/e1/1a/ace11a6b0d419c06031205a2a0819323.jpg
11:07 wizzyrea someone needs a hug.
11:07 tcohen bye rangi
11:06 dcook Night BobB
11:06 * rangi goes to sleep
11:06 dcook .
11:06 dcook Oh wow...I'm really walking in the opposite direction of home now
11:06 bgkriegel to work, bye
11:06 drojf time to wake up
11:06 BobB thanks everyone, good night.
11:05 BobB :)
11:05 wahanui goodnight jransom. You'll be back.
11:05 jransom night all
11:05 jransom lol
11:05 magnuse BobB: lol :-)
11:05 tcohen time to have breakfast bye
11:05 * thd returns to sleep for the third time this morning :)
11:05 BobB I thought 'bib' was 'bob' with a kiwi accent. :)
11:05 kf bbl :)
11:05 kf time to have lunch before conference call
11:04 jcamins magnuse: thanks...
11:04 * magnuse hands jcamins a s/bib/BobB/
11:04 jransom very civilized
11:04 BobB jransom, noon here
11:04 dcook Irc while on phone in the rain means I'm totally not on the right street anymore...
11:04 kf jcamins: not too bad eh? :P
11:04 jransom bib: what time for you ?
11:04 jcamins Exactly one hour.
11:04 jcamins Well done.
11:03 * oleonard stumbles off to work
11:03 oleonard gmcharlt: :P
11:03 BobB 0200 UTC is quite civilised if one is not a European or an African
11:03 * gmcharlt stumbles back to bed
11:03 tcohen cait++
11:03 magnuse kf++
11:03 gmcharlt kf++
11:03 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-04-03-10.04.log.html
11:03 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-04-03-10.04.txt
11:03 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-04-03-10.04.html
11:03 huginn Meeting ended Wed Apr 3 10:59:45 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
11:03 kf #endmeeting
11:03 magnuse yay
11:02 kf #agreed Next Koha IRC Meeting will be Tuesday 7 May - 02:00 UTC
11:02 magnuse gmcharlt: moahahaha
11:02 drojf a marcalendar would always know when to do a meeting
11:02 gmcharlt +1 Tuesday, 7 May
11:02 * kf watis for objections
11:01 wahanui yw
11:01 kf thx wahanui
11:01 BobB magnuse: lol
11:01 gmcharlt magnuse: there are systems that do that, actually
11:01 drojf magnuse: yay!
11:01 wahanui it has been said that 7th is worth a try
11:01 kf 7th?
11:01 magnuse maybe we could store the borrowers as marc records?
11:01 kf what about...
11:01 kf next meeting will be in may
11:01 wizzyrea looool
11:01 magnuse lol
11:01 kf ok, date
11:00 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
11:00 rangi we should use more marc
11:00 kf #info reminder: use summary box when editing wiki pages
11:00 rangi hmm little issue with 3.12
11:00 jcamins slef: if I remember, sure.
11:00 slef jcamins: please could you use the summary box on wiki edits?
11:00 gmcharlt looks like all of the action items from the previous meeting have been handled
11:00 kf ew
10:59 slef kf: 02:00 UTC
10:59 kf and please someone help to figure out the time correctly
10:59 kf do we have anything else on the agenda that I missed? or can we set the date for the next meeting?
10:59 wizzyrea 3.12 gonna be the best yet!
10:59 kf ok, no questions :)
10:58 wizzyrea jcamins++
10:58 tcohen jcamins++
10:58 gmcharlt jcamins++
10:58 bgkriegel jcamins++
10:58 magnuse jcamins++
10:58 kf jcamins++
10:58 jcamins Any questions?
10:57 * wizzyrea made sure it would work
10:57 * tcohen hears voices in his head, saying "unit teeeeestssss"
10:57 oleonard On the first try even wizzyrea!
10:57 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #239 added.
10:57 wizzyrea @quote add slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!
10:57 jcamins And that's about it.
10:57 jcamins As we get closer and closer to release time, I will revert faster and faster, so if you find a blocker, fix it before I do!
10:56 slef dcook: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!
10:56 * magnuse tries to inspire himeself to translate 3.12
10:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7740 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC
10:56 jcamins I am currently reporting a blocker which will result in the reversion of bug 7740 if it is not fixed with alacrity.
10:56 jcamins #info String freeze for 3.12 starts May 1
10:56 jcamins 3.12 is on schedule.
10:56 dcook I offer beer in Reno :p
10:55 jransom I saw that on twitter - and thus swung on by
10:55 kf #topic Update 3.12
10:55 tcohen rangi++
10:55 kf ok, last
10:55 dcook Rangi++
10:55 wizzyrea rangi++ there we go
10:55 magnuse too true
10:55 * kf hands wizzyrea an i
10:55 wizzyrea rang++ many years of hard work, not enough karma in the world to make up for it
10:55 kf jransom: and now also our next RM :)
10:55 kf #info 3.8.x and 3.10.x releases on schedule
10:55 gmcharlt jransom: thanks! :)
10:55 magnuse rangi++
10:54 jransom congrats galen yoy miver and shaker you - well deserved
10:54 gmcharlt rangi++
10:54 kf rangi++
10:54 rangi nothing more to add really
10:54 slef magnuse: (I guessed.)
10:54 rangi on the 22nd of april
10:54 dcook Hey jransom. Good to see you again
10:54 rangi both will be released on time
10:54 magnuse (slef: the ouch was for the nutty client, not for the unconf, of course)
10:54 rangi yep
10:54 kf and hi jransom
10:54 wahanui thanks kf :)
10:54 kf wahanui botsnack cookie
10:54 gmcharlt hi jransom
10:53 wahanui jransom is the boss at the library that started koha :-)
10:53 cjh hey jransom
10:53 wizzyrea hi jransom
10:53 jransom waves sleepily at everyone :)
10:53 BobB hi jo!
10:53 wizzyrea oo fun
10:53 magnuse slef: ouch!
10:53 kf ;)
10:53 slef wizzyrea: we might try to co-host a UK unconference this year. Tips welcome! ;)
10:53 oleonard Hi jransom
10:53 kf rangi? still awake?
10:52 kf #topic Updates on 3.8 and 3.10
10:52 wizzyrea actually I like unconferences
10:52 dcook I'm up for presenting something. I just don't know what yet. Something for newbs
10:52 slef magnuse: comiserations. Pretty sure I won't, as another non-profit client seems to have gone nuts. They just offered to pay like a third of their bill :-/
10:52 kf ok, I think wemove on now :)
10:52 * wizzyrea runs away giggling
10:52 wizzyrea you can always unconference!
10:51 rangi yep
10:51 kf yeah, and noone can plan their trip because no program :)
10:51 magnuse hehe
10:51 rangi otherwise you get to october and ppl are still procrastinating :)
10:51 tcohen thanks kf
10:51 wizzyrea or something.
10:51 kf yep
10:51 wizzyrea oleonard: eradicating yui, the bootstrap path to zen.
10:51 rangi thats why you have to make deadlines
10:51 * magnuse needs to figure out if he will be able to go to reno or not...
10:51 kf tcohen: They set a deadline to make it possible to plan, if you are not sure about it, maybe contact Nancy directly?
10:51 rangi ppl always wait until the last minute tho
10:51 dcook Hey BobB
10:50 rangi not many i think around 7 or 8 thd
10:50 BobB hi dcook
10:50 * oleonard solicits suggestions for UI/template/frontend presentations they might like to see
10:50 thd How many presentations have proposed currently?
10:50 tcohen is that a definitive deadline kf?
10:49 kf #info only 2 weeks until presentations deadline!
10:49 rangi etc
10:49 rangi i know where you live
10:49 rangi hurry up
10:49 oleonard Waaay too early for the west coast
10:49 rangi submit your talks
10:49 wahanui somebody said 2 weeks was not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.
10:49 rangi 2 weeks!
10:49 rangi call for presentations deadline is 15 april
10:49 magnuse putting_things_on_the_wiki++ :-)
10:49 kf someone here for kohacon?
10:49 slef or in our public git
10:49 wizzyrea cooooool
10:49 slef nah it's a script I probably ought to put on the wiki now it's stable
10:49 kf #topic Kohacon2013
10:48 wizzyrea do you select those by hand?
10:48 slef so I held off, to hope people will look at them
10:48 kf and ask for news about kohacon next
10:48 slef :) next old bugs email in a bit, but rangi suggested a few
10:48 kf ok, I will mess with the sequence a bit today
10:48 BobB The new Koha team is awesome!
10:48 kf #agreed Daniel Grobani to continue as Newsletter Editor
10:47 gmcharlt danielg++
10:47 magnuse danielg++
10:47 gmcharlt none from me
10:47 magnuse and yeah, more bug wranglers would be good
10:47 wizzyrea he does fantastic newsletters.
10:47 kf any objections?
10:47 kf else... last but not least: Newsletter Editor: Daniel Grobani
10:46 * magnuse blushes
10:46 kf magnuse++
10:46 wizzyrea magnuse++
10:46 gmcharlt magnuse++
10:46 kf do we have some other last minute candidates? :)
10:46 kf #agreed Magnus Enger is Bug Wrangler for 3.14
10:46 tcohen magnuse++
10:46 wizzyrea sorry that was kind of random.
10:45 gmcharlt slef++
10:45 kf and no objections about magnuse
10:45 kf wizzyrea: I agree! slef++ for those
10:45 gmcharlt no objections
10:45 rangi no objections
10:45 * wizzyrea really appreciates slef's emails about bugs to check
10:45 * gmcharlt removes magnuse's wiki editing privileges for now ;)
10:45 kf any objections?
10:45 drojf yay, last bug wrangler standing
10:45 kf Bug Wrangler: magnuse
10:45 kf ok 2 more to go people
10:44 drojf that did not really happen with the last dvd manager i think
10:44 sekjal drojf: agreed
10:44 drojf sekjal: it would be cool if that someone would frequent the irc though
10:44 kf #action ask on mailing list for details about roles of live cd/dvd manager and vm manager
10:43 wizzyrea and the canonical VM
10:43 wizzyrea also I think it should be understood that this person is in charge of the canonical live CD/DVD
10:43 kf #agreed VM Manager: Samuel Desseaux
10:43 kf #agreed Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy
10:43 wizzyrea ^
10:43 kf ok, so no objections, I am starting to type the agreeds :)
10:43 sekjal it'd be really good to have someone responsible for keeping the Koha Live CD/DVDs up to date
10:43 gmcharlt +1 to ask for details, but no need to postpone
10:43 magnuse nah
10:42 wizzyrea naw
10:42 jcamins No.
10:42 drojf jcamins: ok. i won't stop anyone from doing that
10:42 kf do we want to postpone the discussion and ask for proposals?
10:42 paul_p sorry, but I have to leave now to grab some food for lunch before an important meeting. se ya !
10:42 jcamins "the VM" as in "a demo VM that includes Koha."
10:42 kf so we think both are valid - do we have objections?
10:42 jcamins drojf: I suspect no one is sure what the roles were for, since the people who added them in 3.10 never showed up to explain.
10:42 drojf jcamins: "the VM" as in "the official Koha VM"?
10:41 magnuse what he said
10:41 jcamins I think the idea is that the VM manager is responsible for packaging the VM, and the live CD is manager is responsible for packaging the live cd/dvd, which require different tools, skillsets, and possibly configurations.
10:41 drojf it wouldn't hurt to give a short description of the role if it is newly introduced, i think
10:41 tcohen different things
10:41 * magnuse imagines the vm manager making vm "images" that can be downloaded and loaded into e.g. virtualbox
10:40 wizzyrea if they are willing to do it, I'm willing to let them
10:40 drojf *vm
10:40 jcamins I believe so, yes.
10:40 drojf i wanted to ask... what is a avm manager?
10:40 rangi no objections, but i am not sure what those roles are supposed to do :)
10:40 kf hm question from me - are those really different things?
10:39 kf ok, live cd and vm manager
10:39 wizzyrea hehehe
10:39 drojf lol rangi
10:39 rangi ah thats why mine didnt work, i got in a recursive loop
10:39 kf #agreed Robin Sheat named as Packaging Manager 3.14
10:38 wizzyrea kek
10:38 drojf any objection is considered volunteering :P
10:38 kf no objections from me, eythian++
10:38 wizzyrea well you're all the best.
10:38 gmcharlt no objections
10:38 wizzyrea he's the best, no objections.
10:38 rangi nope
10:38 kf any objections?
10:37 kf packaging manager: Robin Sheat /eythian
10:37 kf #agreed Release Maintainers will be: Tomás Cohen Arazi (3.12.x), Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (3.10.x) and Chris Hall (3.8.x)
10:37 kf cjh: don't think about it!
10:37 bgkriegel :)
10:37 drojf i won't object if i get cookies
10:37 wizzyrea only if they are partner related
10:37 paul_p except, maybe : welcome south-america ;-)
10:36 cjh wizzyrea: do all objections get cookies?
10:36 tcohen cookies wizzyrea
10:36 wizzyrea and... um.... gah I don't know what she likes. Flowers?
10:36 paul_p none from me as well
10:36 rangi none from me
10:36 wizzyrea i mean, really? tell her we will send her um........ cookies and... fudge
10:36 magnuse lol from me
10:35 jcamins lol
10:35 gmcharlt none from me
10:35 bgkriegel ouch
10:35 wizzyrea lol tcohen
10:35 jcamins None from me.
10:35 tcohen my gf objects
10:35 kf very glad to see so many first timers myself!
10:35 kf ok, so I am asking for all of them - any objections?
10:34 gmcharlt no objection to voting on the RMaints all at once
10:33 kf rangi: you will have to try very hard to make that happen :)
10:33 wizzyrea by yourself!
10:33 kf noe we can move on to the release maintainers, can we do them in bulk?
10:33 paul_p lol
10:33 rangi i think im the only person to get fired from QA
10:33 kf hope no typos :)
10:33 kf #agreed Marcel de Rooy, Chris Cormack, Jonathan Druart, Brendan Gallagher, Mason James, Paul Poulain and Kyle M Hall are going to be the QA team for 3.14
10:33 cjh bag++ khall++ first timers :)
10:32 kf ok, let me type that then
10:32 rangi seriously tho, no objections
10:32 * kf hopes for a bright future with short QA queues :)
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10:32 drojf thx :)
10:31 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
10:31 cjh drojf: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
10:31 drojf anyone got a wiki link for me?
10:31 wizzyrea it's a sad state to be in if you find yourself objectionable.
10:31 rangi dang
10:31 jcamins Nice try.
10:31 kf rangi: your objection is marked invalid
10:31 cjh yeah, I hear he is pretty sloppy with QA.
10:31 rangi cept that chris guy, i object to him
10:31 kf any objections?
10:31 kf totally awesome
10:30 cjh the proposed QA team looks awesome
10:30 magnuse hackfest_every_month++
10:30 kf ok, quickly moving on - quality assurance team!
10:30 magnuse kf++
10:30 gmcharlt cait++ # and since you're really two people, we get twice the work! ;)
10:30 tcohen kf++
10:30 kf thx :)
10:30 drojf kf++
10:30 wizzyrea kf++
10:30 gmcharlt kf++
10:30 gmcharlt #info Katrin Fischer continuing on as QAM for Koha
10:30 * gmcharlt calls it
10:29 cjh kf++ keep up the magic
10:29 kf a week of hackfest certainly helped there - sadly there is not one every month :)
10:29 sekjal kf++
10:29 wizzyrea for reals we'd be mad to object.
10:29 magnuse indeed!
10:29 wizzyrea ikr!
10:29 rangi who could object after 101 passed qa in march !
10:28 gmcharlt any objections to kf's proposal to continue as QAM?
10:28 kf thx gmcharlt
10:28 * gmcharlt jumps in
10:27 wahanui bonjour, drojf
10:27 drojf hi
10:27 drojf hu kf :)
10:27 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, late
10:27 kf morning drojf ;)
10:27 kf ok, next is QAM
10:26 thd wizzyrea rangi++
10:26 gmcharlt ^^ this this
10:25 wizzyrea ^ this
10:25 rangi so lets try and have her manage, not have to write everythign too
10:25 wizzyrea yep, super ez
10:25 gmcharlt nengard++
10:25 rangi but its super easy for anyone else to do whenever they are looking at kohastructure.sql too
10:25 tcohen nengard++
10:25 cjh wizzyrea++ good spot
10:25 rangi no objections to nicole doing it
10:25 jcamins We can go ahead and vote.
10:25 kf #agreed Nicole Engard elected for Database Documentation Manager 3.14
10:25 * kf assumes
10:24 gmcharlt jcamins++
10:24 wizzyrea jcamins++
10:24 kf #action add to coding guidelines: devs have to document changes to the database schema
10:24 rangi cool
10:24 jcamins Fixing that now.
10:24 jcamins *missing
10:24 jcamins Huh. It's msising.
10:24 wizzyrea that.
10:24 kf we can put it in the coding guidelines
10:24 wizzyrea i mean formalise that.
10:24 jcamins Don't we?
10:24 kf most do
10:24 rangi yep
10:24 wizzyrea aside, I feel like we should make a rule that the dev who adds a new column be required to add the doc for it.
10:23 rangi ie, nengard is catching up
10:23 rangi which is good
10:23 rangi that role should be decreasing
10:23 slef binary search for objections? ;-)
10:23 kf samuel++ mtj++ from me too
10:23 kf should have done that with the other :)
10:23 samuel :-)
10:22 kf next is database documentation manager - nicole again
10:22 gmcharlt samuel++
10:22 gmcharlt mtj++
10:22 kf want to get this moving :)
10:22 wizzyrea mtj++ samuel++
10:22 kf #agreed Mason James and Samuel Desseaux will be Installation Documentation Managers for 3.14
10:22 gmcharlt +1
10:22 kf ok, i suggest we make them share the load then ;)
10:22 kf :)
10:22 magnuse yup
10:22 rangi i have no objections to however they figure out they want to do it :) itd be good to get it done though
10:21 gmcharlt likewise
10:21 magnuse yeah, we can force him to share
10:21 jcamins I had understood that mtj's intention was sharing the role.
10:21 kf I think common practice so far was sharing the role
10:21 wizzyrea he was here just a bit ago!
10:21 kf hm bit difficult as mtj is not here
10:20 thd wizzyrea: yes, manager and "will help"
10:20 magnuse yay
10:20 kf mtj: ping?
10:20 samuel no problem for me to share :-)
10:20 thd wizzyrea: yes
10:20 magnuse do they want to share?
10:19 wizzyrea they are sharing the role?
10:19 jcamins None from me.
10:19 kf any objections?
10:19 kf Samuel Desseaux /samuel and Mason James /mtj
10:19 kf nengard++ :)
10:18 wizzyrea nengard++ druthb++
10:18 kf ok, next we have 2 candidates for installation documentation manager
10:18 gmcharlt nengard++
10:18 kf please stop me when I am too fast :)
10:18 kf #agreed Nicole Engard is reelected for Documentation Manager
10:18 tcohen gmcharlt++ and druthb_away++ (sorry, not-enough coffe lag)
10:18 slef no objection to nengard... glad she continues
10:17 tcohen heh
10:17 slef No objection BTW. I'm curious about the translation infrastructure, but that's going on in email.
10:17 kf any objections to that? :)
10:17 oleonard I thought she was elected for life
10:17 kf and druthb++ :)
10:17 kf next is Nicole Engard /nengard for documentation manager :)
10:17 rangi yay!
10:17 gmcharlt druthb++
10:17 slef wizzyrea: although members can plead net.fun later
10:17 magnuse yay!
10:17 kf #agreed D Ruth Bavousett is elected Translation Manager for 3.14
10:16 slef wizzyrea: the co-op's rough practice has been 1 minute of silence
10:16 slef wizzyrea: yeah, but IRC lags.
10:16 rangi 1 min is a good time
10:16 wizzyrea i think if someone is objecting they'd do it quickly.
10:16 rangi heh
10:16 magnuse ?
10:16 magnuse done
10:16 magnuse 1
10:16 magnuse 2
10:16 magnuse 3
10:16 rangi no objections from here
10:16 slef kf: 1 minute IMO
10:16 magnuse maybe a countdown?
10:16 kf I think the problem with the objectiosn is that I am not sure how long to wait :)
10:16 gmcharlt no
10:16 kf any objections?
10:15 alohabot Hi mib_4fnx1g, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
10:15 kf druthb / D Ruth Bavousett has offered to continue
10:15 kf next is translation manager
10:14 cjh hahaha
10:14 jcamins Amen.
10:14 kf good luck :)
10:14 tcohen heh
10:14 magnuse hehe
10:14 rangi may god have mercy on his soul
10:14 magnuse woohoo!
10:14 gmcharlt thanks everybody; I shall endeavor to repay your trust
10:14 kf #agreed Galen Charlton is declared Release Manager 3.14
10:14 wizzyrea yes, very happy you are volunteering, thank you (and your wife. And your cats.)
10:14 paul_p no objection as well
10:13 kf yep, no objections, happy we have you volunteering
10:13 cjh gmcharlt++ very well written proposal
10:13 wizzyrea speak now or forever hold your peace
10:13 rangi :-)
10:13 rangi if you object you have to do it
10:13 slef no
10:13 * wizzyrea either
10:13 rangi heh
10:13 * oleonard wouldn't dare
10:13 kf are there any objections?
10:13 kf right
10:13 sekjal #info Ian Walls, former QAM
10:12 rangi probably too late for questions? that was last meeting?
10:12 paul_p sorry for being a little bit late
10:12 paul_p #info paul Poulain BibLibre, France
10:12 kf are there questions about his proposal?
10:12 clrh #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre, France
10:12 kf we have gmcharlt as candidate for release manager
10:12 kf ok, let's start with the most important role
10:11 cjh sounds perfect.
10:11 gmcharlt kf: 'tis fine
10:11 kf hope it sounds about right :)
10:11 kf was not sure how to prhase that
10:11 gmcharlt #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
10:11 kf #agreed we will ask for objections, if none, the candidate is elected
10:10 kf #topic Roles for 3.14
10:10 magnuse sure
10:10 tajoli yes, for me
10:10 Franziska fine with me
10:10 rangi fine by me
10:10 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:09 kf question: shoudl we do the elections first?
10:09 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, UNC, Argentina
10:08 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France
10:08 Franziska #info Franziska Wallner, The American University of Rome
10:08 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx
10:08 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst It, New Zealand
10:08 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT
10:08 stefano_b #info Stefano Bargioni, Pontificia Università della Santa Croce - Rome
10:08 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina
10:08 Joubu #u
10:08 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd.
10:08 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, Equinox Software, USA
10:08 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:08 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
10:08 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
10:08 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM for 3.12
10:08 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
10:08 kf oh #info
10:08 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA - Italy
10:08 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England
10:08 kf please introduce yourself with #intro
10:07 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:07 kf #topic Introductions
10:07 kf welcome all
10:07 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting'
10:07 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:07 huginn Meeting started Wed Apr 3 10:04:26 2013 UTC. The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:07 kf #startmeeting Koha IRC Meeting
10:07 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
10:07 huginn kf: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
10:07 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
10:07 kf #startmeeting
10:07 kf I am going to start the meeting now
10:07 rangi there are none that we have decide btween people
10:07 samuel +1
10:07 kf but not so many +1 :)
10:07 gmcharlt +1
10:07 kf it will be faster
10:06 magnuse +1
10:06 kf we can do that
10:06 jcamins I think that is a good idea.
10:06 rangi and if none, its done
10:06 rangi why dont we just ask for objections for each role
10:06 rangi seeing there are no contentious positions
10:06 slef kf: thing to do is to try to give a safe space for objections to be addressed.
10:06 BobB hi #koha
10:06 oleonard In America we don't repeat the vote until consensus, we repeat the campaign until all give up
10:06 BobB hi magnuse
10:06 kf so chairing... should I try? or does someone else want to?
10:06 slef kf: nah, seems to work.
10:06 magnuse consensus by exhaustion :-)
10:05 kf that sounds tirening
10:05 magnuse kia ora BobB
10:05 slef repeat the vote until all agree or give up
10:04 slef to build consensus
10:04 slef the co-op uses a fork of it a lot
10:04 gmcharlt slef++ # beat me to it
10:04 slef voting is http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html
10:04 slef http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html
10:04 kf gmcharlt showed me last time, maybe
10:04 huginn slef: [10:00:32] <slef> huginn: last --regex /meetbot-ci/ --nolimit
10:04 slef huginn: last --regex /meetbot/ --nolimit
10:03 huginn slef: I suck
10:03 slef huginn: you suck
10:03 wizzyrea is it in the log?
10:03 huginn slef: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages.
10:03 slef huginn: last --regex /meetbot-ci/ --nolimit
10:03 * cjh thought slef was making a joke
10:03 kf it's on my other computer and I guess we will need it
10:03 kf gmcharlt: where was the link to the voting thing?
10:03 kf oh
10:03 slef oh. badgers.
10:03 oleonard I have no idea what you just said slef
10:03 wizzyrea badgers or badges?
10:02 cjh heh
10:02 slef oleonard: yeah, they're culling them around here, blaming them for spreading bovine TB
10:02 * gmcharlt nominates everyone not present for bug wrangler
10:02 oleonard We don't need no stinkin' badges
10:01 magnuse what she said!
10:01 kf so if someone feels liking signing up for bug wrangler right now... there still is time :)
10:00 kf oh right
10:00 rangi 3 mins left?
10:00 cjh \o/
10:00 kf ok, now that I am less grumpy, shoudl we start the meeting? :)
10:00 * kf got her bookmarks back!
09:59 kf it was a server side problem, quite sure
09:59 wizzyrea but you are all right of course. it's probably not a bad clone, he is probably looking at the wrong koha-conf
09:59 kf I think it's just something missing in that installation
09:59 kf as I have run into the problem ages ago
09:57 cjh wizzyrea: a blanket sounds amazing.
09:57 * jcamins gives gmcharlt his share of wizzyrea's coffee.
09:57 cjh wizzyrea: it is possible, but it would affect all of us (when we did a fetch things would yell and scream)
09:57 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010)
09:57 gmcharlt @quote random
09:56 kf i think more likely to be missing something else
09:56 wizzyrea that's probably better.
09:56 wizzyrea or I'll just shut up.
09:56 wizzyrea right but we wouldn't know that was happening until we started seeing bad clones.
09:56 kf wizzyrea: :)
09:56 * wizzyrea sighs
09:55 cjh wizzyrea: they were using --mirror and had disc corruption, so they were mirroring the corruption.
09:55 rangi wizzyrea: that was disk corruption propogated by mirroring ... not quite the same thing :)
09:55 * wizzyrea hands out snuggly blankies and tea for the oceaneans
09:55 cjh its 11pm here, which turns out is far past my bed time...
09:55 * wizzyrea recalls the KDE story
09:55 rangi thd: its not likely to be a bad clone
09:55 kf yay :)
09:54 * wizzyrea passes out food for the europeans
09:54 cjh thd: it should be quite hard for a git clone to be subtly broken
09:54 * kf is mising lunch ;)
09:54 * wizzyrea passes out coffee for the north americans
09:53 kf oh there is jcamins :)
09:53 kf someone marc savvy around? I look for a field to store norm numbers.. (din and iso standard numbers)
09:53 * jcamins straggles in groggily.
09:53 thd Does git not have checks to prevent a bad clone?
09:53 magnuse ...if that is what you called it
09:52 wizzyrea koha-dev/etc
09:52 wizzyrea good point, you'd need to use the kohaconf in your koha-dev directory
09:52 rangi i think your koha-conf.xml is messed up, or you are pointing at the wrong one
09:51 rangi that is the path of a package/tarball install
09:51 samuel wizzyrea: thank you for the link
09:51 rangi /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en wont exist
09:51 rangi well if you did a dev install
09:51 wizzyrea :)
09:51 wizzyrea hi bgkriegel
09:51 bgkriegel hi all
09:50 wizzyrea perhaps a bad clone?
09:50 kf but wasn't able to resolve, t worked when I reinstalled that test machine
09:49 kf had this happening to me ages ago
09:49 wizzyrea I always use the instructions here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
09:48 samuel without the 'p' option, i 've this "readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 59. readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 87. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/: Input must be a file or directory. (Symbolic links are not supported at the moment) Try `/home/koha/misc/translator/tmpl_process3
09:48 wizzyrea leave off the p and see if it goes better.
09:48 wizzyrea not 5 seconds ago, and agrees with rangi
09:47 * wizzyrea just read it
09:47 rangi you almost certainly don't want that in this case
09:47 rangi is what the help says
09:46 rangi updated.
09:46 rangi With -p option, only preferences .po file is
09:46 samuel ok, i will try but when you do ./translate --help, you find this command
09:46 wizzyrea or why are you using it?
09:46 wizzyrea samuel, what do you think -p does?
09:46 kf me neither
09:46 * wizzyrea has never used -p
09:45 cjh "Koha directories hierarchy for fr-FR must be created f" I guess that ends in 'first', does that mean you have to create the lang first?
09:45 kf why -p?
09:45 samuel it's the first time i've this problem
09:45 samuel ./translate -p install fr-FR
09:44 kf i mean which command produces the problem :)
09:44 kf what did you type to install?
09:44 wahanui i guess -p is 'prompt for password'
09:44 wizzyrea -p?
09:44 wizzyrea =p?
09:44 samuel 3.11.00.200
09:43 samuel i choose dev install
09:43 kf which version did you install?
09:43 kf hm haven't seen that in a while
09:43 samuel short question: i've installed koha by git (first time) and i've a problem to install french language. I've the following error :"./translate -p install fr-FR readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 59. readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 87. Koha directories hierarchy for fr-FR must be created f
09:42 magnuse hi samuel
09:42 samuel hi everybody :-)
09:39 mtj kia ora magnuse and all
09:39 magnuse community++
09:38 magnuse kia ora mtj
09:38 mtj haaay, interesting -> http://openlibrary.org/community
09:37 magnuse guess we wished hard enough then
09:37 wizzyrea :D
09:37 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
09:37 wizzyrea oleonard!
09:36 tajoli Hi all
09:36 magnuse hiya tajoli
09:36 magnuse kf: sounds nice :-)
09:34 kf and I can access internet websites now
09:34 kf i am here
09:33 oleonard But yeah, it's early *yawn*
09:33 oleonard Normal time for me to be up, just early to be here :)
09:33 magnuse early morning? ;-)
09:33 magnuse and kia ora oleonard!
09:33 magnuse yay, kf came back
09:32 magnuse oh noes, kf come back!
08:58 kf yeah rangi++ for that
08:51 * magnuse thinks "wave at" sounds too violent
08:51 * magnuse waves to kf
08:51 magnuse rangi++ for the separate numbers for bugs on http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
08:50 * kf waves
08:49 magnuse election time!
08:48 rangi yep
08:46 magnuse http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130403T10&msg=Koha%20IRC%20General%20Meeting thinks so too
08:46 magnuse wizzyrea: yeah, i think so
08:44 wizzyrea 1:20 to meeting right?
08:43 * wizzyrea waves
08:20 magnuse that sounds awesome
08:20 magnuse rangi++
08:09 cjh searching for alkido worked for me, google 'did you mean' has your back :)
08:09 rangi i meant aldiko
08:08 cjh and it is progress
08:08 rangi so wouldnt be hard to tidy up
08:08 rangi but it took me 2 hours
08:08 rangi its pretty rough
08:08 cjh rangi: awesome work
08:07 cjh kf: congrats :) / badluck :(
08:07 rangi it can consume those feeds
08:07 rangi if you have alkido or calibre or stuff like that
08:07 kf got internet, lost all my bookmarks :(
08:07 * kf waves
08:07 rangi like alkido
08:06 cjh that would make wrapping a discovery layer (or whatever they call those these days) over the top really easy
08:06 rangi then there are apps that can consume that
08:06 rangi and it will pull out the ones that have ebooks
08:06 rangi but the idea is any search you can get in opds format
08:05 rangi its pretty rough
08:05 rangi yay
08:05 wahanui nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
08:05 rangi nothing
08:05 cjh now the first url gives me text \o/
08:05 cjh what did you do?
08:05 cjh fixed
08:04 rangi hehe
08:04 rangi or http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
08:04 rangi or http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=young+knowledge+the+poems
08:04 cjh same error
08:04 rangi how about that?
08:04 rangi http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=young%20knowledge%20the%20poems&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2
08:04 rangi how odd
08:03 cjh I get that error in both chromium and firefox (tried ff as it shouldnt have a cache or *anything*)
08:03 rangi yep, wfm
08:03 cjh http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=young%20knowledge%20the%20poems&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=opds
08:02 rangi weird
08:02 rangi not getting that error
08:02 rangi hmm really
08:02 rangi http://opds-spec.org/about/
08:02 rangi following this spec
08:01 cjh Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/chris/git/koha.git/opac/opac-search.pl line 732.
08:01 cjh that link gives me an error
08:01 rangi http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=young%20knowledge%20the%20poems&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=opds
08:01 rangi which produces this
08:01 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commit/356eaf610ece6a690e40f43395cb38a3992b214d
08:01 rangi so i did this
07:38 viktorsarge_ (test)
07:17 bamalik what means by federated search?
07:17 cjh is that like federated search?
07:16 bamalik imagine that two libraraies have their own catalogues on seperate servers in different cities and i want to make a union catalogue
07:14 quocuy rangi
07:14 cait-m_ hmm
07:12 bamalik can you differerentiate b/w centralized union catalogue and virtual union catalogue,
07:08 quocuy me, too :)
07:07 rangi o
07:07 rangi bamalik: i still have no idea what you are actually trying to d
07:06 bamalik rangi: what type of info
07:05 quocuy now i'm using 1 installation, create lots of Koha site, setup new databases, not good for my poor VPS
07:05 gaetan_B hello
07:04 quocuy it's such a new thing, if can, i'm really happy with this
07:04 quocuy rangi, is there a guide to help me rewrite rules in apache?
07:03 rangi i mean a lot
07:03 rangi bamalik: no, you would have to provide a lot more info
07:02 rangi nope you can do it with rewrite rules in apache quocuy
07:02 quocuy morning francharb
07:02 quocuy how can we change Opac (header, footer) for each branch library? impossible now, i think
07:02 bamalik thanks rangi, any idea about development
07:01 francharb good morning #koha
07:01 rangi hmm no you can achieve that with one koha
07:01 quocuy i think he wants to have different OPAC for 2 libraries, so he had to use 2 installation of Koha
07:00 rangi second option you will have to do some development to achieve
07:00 rangi bamalik: first one is easy, you just set up branches
06:58 quocuy i chat with him yesterday
06:57 quocuy thanks rangi
06:57 rangi quocuy: jcamins is the current release manager, so he is a good one to ask about 3.12 it all depends on what you want to know
06:57 quocuy i'm not mean that leader, miss word
06:56 quocuy sorry
06:56 quocuy haha
06:56 bamalik other is vurtual union catalogue is a decentralized, electronically accessible catalogue through network based on the ip of distant system.
06:55 rangi magnus_meeting: heya :)
06:55 rangi quocuy: and if you want to ask about any of the features he added, then certainly chris_n is a good one to ask, however he is most likely asleep now since he is in the east coast of the USA
06:54 bamalik thanks, i want to make a union catalogue of our two campsus libraries. one is centralized union catalogue, which contains catalogues of different libraires in the same system
06:54 magnus_meeting kia ora rangi!
06:53 rangi quocuy: there isn't a 'leader' of koha, chris_n certainly contributes a lot and was the release maintainer for a couple of releases
06:51 cait bbl
06:49 magnuse bamalik: i thnk you need to explain a bit more about what you actually want to achieve with that
06:48 bamalik hi any body on the channel, I intends to create a virtual union catalogue using koha, any help?
06:47 magnuse s/nopw/nope/
06:46 wahanui OK, magnuse.
06:46 magnuse wahanui: nopw, it is not
06:46 christophe_c hello magnuse
06:46 wahanui the snow is probably thawing :)
06:46 magnuse and the snow
06:46 magnuse yup
06:46 reiveune salut magnuse :)
06:46 sophie_m back to Norway ?
06:46 sophie_m hi magnuse
06:46 magnuse bonjour christophe_c sophie_m reiveune
06:44 bamalik hi chris_n
06:44 quocuy ok, i don't know about this :), ask chris_n, he's leader
06:42 bamalik there is method of virtual union catalogue by YAZ client or something
06:41 wahanui bidet, reiveune
06:41 reiveune hello
06:41 bamalik sorry, perhaps i don't choose proper terms
06:40 quocuy are u trying to create a branch library?
06:39 quocuy so i don't understand about add libraries with ip address, why do u want to do that?
06:39 quocuy wait, u told me that u are using 2 libraries with 2 installation
06:39 bamalik i made a lot of search on internet, but not hands-on help
06:37 bamalik no, add libraries in koha administration module with ip address
06:35 quocuy so u have to copy them from one to one?
06:34 bamalik two installations of koha
06:32 cait yes
06:31 quocuy Ah, today evening (in russian-i mean), will we meet here?
06:31 wahanui well, not is maybe removed from my search
06:31 quocuy or not?
06:30 quocuy bamalik are they using 1 installation of Koha
06:30 christophe_c hello #koha
06:30 quocuy sorry
06:30 quocuy here
06:28 dcook All right. Time to go, me thinks. I might be here in spirit later for the meeting...
06:27 bamalik Hi quocuy, are there?
06:25 bamalik virtual union catalogue means a opac of two or more libraries in different citities
06:24 quocuy first time i hear that
06:24 quocuy what do u mean? virtual union catalogue
06:24 bamalik I intends to create virtual union catalogue using koha, any help?
06:24 quocuy yesterday we met, right wahanui
06:23 wahanui hola, quocuy
06:23 quocuy hi
06:23 bamalik hi
06:21 dcook It would be great if Koha supported EAD and other metadata formats though...
06:20 dcook Amazing how the "new" features of III's Sierra seem to be fairly old features in Koha...
06:18 dcook True true ;)
06:18 cait wewill have to wait to find out how it works
06:18 dcook Which...makes some sense theoretically
06:18 dcook From what I've seen of Kuali OLE, it looks like they're trying to be a metadata and file repository
06:18 cait well here it is
06:17 dcook I'm not sure that they are making that distinction
06:17 dcook But is it?
06:16 cait what they are asking about is how to handle their ebooks and ejournals that they only have in databases and not really the files to store
06:16 cait I think
06:16 cait repositories
06:16 cait that's something different again :)
06:16 dcook DSpace and Koha seem to work pretty well together
06:16 dcook Personally, I rather see multiple platforms working together...
06:15 dcook hehe :p
06:15 dcook That's another thing...records management is so totally different from regular collection management
06:15 cait maybe we should have one. it will show a picture of a cat.
06:15 dcook It could have a few different meanings
06:14 dcook Yeah, that sounds about the same
06:14 cait yep
06:14 cait resources
06:14 cait and noone can explain to me, what it shoudl be doing exactly
06:14 dcook erm as in electronic records management?
06:14 cait it's like everyone is asking for erm
06:14 dcook Agreed
06:14 cait dcook: i think that's one of the problems
06:13 dcook Or even what they mean by "digital collection"
06:13 dcook But I'm not seeing anything about how an "LSP" would help manage digital collections
06:13 dcook I think they have a point when they say that the ILS was created around the idea of managing print collections
06:11 dcook http://www.niso.org/apps/group_public/download.php/9922/FE_Grant_Future_Library_Systems_%20isqv24no4.pdf
06:06 alohabot Hi mib_ojw8sb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
06:06 cait aha
06:05 * magnuse too
06:05 * dcook sighs
06:05 magnuse yup
06:04 magnuse LSP is Library Services Platform
06:04 dcook library services platform?
06:04 cait lsp?
06:02 magnuse ooh, wow the big BIBSYS rfp is out, they are not looking for an ILS but an LSP
06:02 magnuse hehe, guess that might look like plastic explosives on a scanner...
06:01 cait apparently that looks very suspicious
06:01 cait my bag got searched each airport on the way back...
06:01 cait from scotland in my backpack
06:01 cait when I had the fudge
06:01 dcook I imagine that means a lot of security people just waved me through most of the time
06:00 dcook After a 3 month backpacking trip through Europe, I had an airport security person tell me that they actually couldn't detect whether my metal water bottle had liquid or not inside
06:00 magnuse the interesting thing was when i went through security in nice i forgot i had a half-a-liter bottle of water in the baby bag - and they did not complain about it!
05:59 cait glad you made it
05:59 magnuse yeah, or the day after
05:57 cait you wil laugh about it tomorrow, maybe :)
05:57 dcook Couldn't have possibly been for a baby
05:57 cait baby food.
05:56 magnuse checking for traces of explosives, i think?
05:56 magnuse they swabbed(?) it
05:56 magnuse well i did have some very suspicious baby food in a bag
05:55 cait smuggle food?
05:55 cait what did you do?
05:55 magnuse cait: yup, in oslo
05:55 magnuse *and had to sit there for 20 minutes before the plane took off*
05:54 magnuse and then we got on board
05:54 magnuse and elin ran ahead to the gate and was told, i'f your husband is not here in 2 minutes you will loose the plane
05:54 cait crazy.
05:54 cait inoslo?
05:54 magnuse and i was held up a bit by security
05:53 dcook O_O
05:53 magnuse but then we had to run like crazy
05:53 magnuse then we asked someone else at the very last minute and then we DID get to jump the queue
05:53 cjh wow
05:53 magnuse and we were told there was no jumping the queue to catch the plane, we would just have to loose it
05:52 magnuse and it was barely moving
05:52 magnuse yeah, we were put in a transfer queue when we were chekcing in again at OSL
05:52 cait had problems with the flights?
05:52 cait oh
05:50 magnuse so patient
05:50 magnuse and leonard was amazing
05:49 magnuse so it's all water under the bridge now
05:49 magnuse but we got home almost ontime
05:49 magnuse um, no
05:49 cait had a good trip back home?
05:49 magnuse kia ora cait!
05:48 cait welcome back magnuse :)
05:48 magnuse according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bod%C3%B8
05:48 magnuse um 67°18′20″N 14°32′57″E
05:47 dcook What's the latitude of Bodo?
05:46 dcook Mmm, right. I should check to see if my phone's IRC client times out...
05:46 magnuse and we have lots of light now
05:46 magnuse dcook: hope so! :-)
05:46 magnuse ah, meeting in 4 hours 16 minutes http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130403T10&msg=Koha%20IRC%20General%20Meeting
05:46 dcook You'll have spring soon though!
05:46 dcook hehe
05:46 magnuse yeah yeah, rub it in ;-)
05:45 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 03, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
05:45 dcook @wunder Sydney Australia
05:45 magnuse s/Light Snow/snow storm/
05:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on April 03, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
05:45 magnuse @wunder boo
05:45 magnuse :-)
05:43 * dcook waves to the snowman
05:42 * magnuse tries to waves but is drowning in snow
05:26 cait hey dcook
05:26 * dcook waves to cait
04:25 * dcook goes back to work
04:25 dcook Signing off is addictive!
04:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page
04:24 dcook If oleonard fixes up bug 9887 soon, that could be 3 or 4 down relatively quickly as well
04:23 dcook Down to just 23!
04:23 * dcook wants to keep testing and signing off on bugs, but other work to do...
04:21 dcook wizzyrea: I feel your pain
04:02 wizzyrea hey I didn't even have to contribute to the awesome jar.
04:02 wizzyrea I know!
04:00 ibeardslee awesome with not just a capitial O, but with all caps
03:59 ibeardslee but that would be awesome wouldn't it?
03:58 ibeardslee heh
03:55 wizzyrea pout face.
03:55 eythian ah
03:55 wizzyrea and I was sad.
03:55 cjh lol
03:55 wizzyrea but it was a prank
03:55 wizzyrea it was that george takei was going to be in the star wars reboot thingie.
03:55 wizzyrea no.
03:55 eythian oh, or was it that google is releasing Google Nose?
03:54 eythian it's against the rules
03:54 eythian wizzyrea: you can't do that
03:54 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
03:54 wizzyrea never mind.
03:54 wizzyrea :(
03:54 wizzyrea i hate this time of year.
03:54 wizzyrea oh wait
03:54 wizzyrea and i have to share it
03:53 wizzyrea i just read something AWESOME
03:29 wizzyrea ya sorry :) my client doesn't ping for "wiz"
03:28 mtj hey wiz, about?
03:25 rangi heh
03:25 rangi `/ws 15
03:21 * wizzyrea nods
03:21 wahanui well, wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
03:21 wizzyrea wizzyrea?
03:21 bag heh
03:20 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
03:20 bag bag?
03:20 bag ok enough about baseball
03:20 bag I saw an unassited triple play to end a baseball game in queens - that has only happened twice :P
03:20 cjh heh
03:20 wahanui I watch you sleep.
03:20 jcamins Good night.
03:20 bag also another one is an unassited triple play - about as rare as the perfect game
03:20 jcamins Bed time, methinks.
03:20 jcamins Hm.
03:19 bag but they use metal bats
03:19 jcamins Wow.
03:19 bag and a double :P
03:19 bag there was a college player who hit 6 homeruns in one game
03:18 bag so jcamins if you ever go to a baseball game - root for three things. a perfect game, one player to hit four homeruns in a game (been done about 20 or so times - just as rare as a perfect game) Or one player to hit five homerruns - never been done in MLB
03:18 dcook Sorry that it wasn't a perfect game, bag :(
03:18 dcook All right. Lunch time, me thinks
03:17 bag but I usually always have a baseball game on when I'm in the office
03:17 jcamins There's always a 1 in 4000 chance.
03:17 bag jcamins: I'm a mets fan - right in your neighborhood
03:17 jcamins Maybe next game.
03:16 bag well we weren't rooting for a team - just history - to watch a perfect game
03:16 bag yeah I guess so :(
03:12 jcamins Who were we rooting for, BTW?
03:12 jcamins :P
03:12 jcamins bag: that was your fault. Just so we're clear. If you hadn't posted on Facebook, it would have been a perfect game.
03:11 jcamins What was it for originally?
03:11 jcamins FrameworksLoaded interests me.
03:10 jcamins It worked, but was backwards, which is worse than it not doing anything.
03:10 jcamins Oh, yeah.
03:09 jcamins I must have failed it.
03:09 jcamins No, apparently I didn't.
03:09 rangi and thats about it i think
03:09 rangi if the syspref is on
03:09 jcamins Didn't I push that?
03:09 jcamins I'm not sure about the MaxFineIsReplacementPrice.
03:09 rangi so what needs to be done is that link needs to show to printers.pl
03:08 rangi heh
03:08 wizzyrea "it's in my way!"
03:08 jcamins Then I didn't pay attention, and next I knew there was a bug saying "restore eliminated server-side printing functionality."
03:08 rangi i dont understand this, rip it out
03:08 rangi yeah
03:08 wizzyrea people always think "nobody does that anymore"
03:08 jcamins wizzyrea: http://screencast.com/t/hnqUiFVdUB
03:08 jcamins I only tried it once, around 3.2, and it worked.
03:07 jcamins Why did it get taken out in the first place?
03:07 rangi i had to keep putting it back every release
03:07 jcamins s/\.\././
03:07 rangi its always worked for hlt
03:07 jcamins That's a really neat feature, but not one that I was going to be spending time on, even when I thought it was all commented out..
03:06 rangi but there is no link to it afaict
03:06 rangi to set the printer
03:06 wizzyrea well wtf is different about mine then.
03:06 jcamins Cool.
03:06 rangi and admin/printers.pl is there
03:06 rangi it will print the slip using the slip notice even
03:06 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't have much in local use at all.
03:05 jcamins Which, granted, is rarely.
03:05 rangi so if you hit return
03:05 jcamins I never tried it, just thought "gee, pity that we still don't have it back" every time I look at the unpushed bug.
03:05 rangi in circ/circulation.pl
03:05 rangi NetworkPrint($letter->{content});
03:05 rangi my $letter = IssueSlip($branch, $borrowernumber, "QUICK");
03:05 rangi if ( C4::Context->boolean_preference('printcirculationslips') ) {
03:05 rangi if ( $print eq 'yes' && $borrowernumber ne '' ) {
03:05 jcamins The bug for setting the branch printer makes it sound like that's the printing functionality.
03:04 jcamins Oh, I didn't realize that.
03:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8056 critical, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, RESOLVED FIXED, CircAutoPrintQuickSlip set to clear doesn't work
03:04 rangi bug 8056 is most of it
03:04 rangi srdjan put most of it back in
03:04 rangi the link to set your printer isnt there
03:04 jcamins Then why is there a bug report saying "server side printing needs to be put back in since it was removed"?
03:03 rangi yep
03:03 jcamins rangi: really?
03:03 wizzyrea ^^^ that guy would know
03:03 rangi it works now
03:03 rangi it is there
03:03 jcamins Srdjan was working on reviving it.
03:03 jcamins And, server-side printing is gone, gone, gone.
03:03 jcamins That is quite possible.
03:03 wizzyrea i'm looking in there, seems there's LOTS of stuff that has gone missing.
03:02 jcamins wizzyrea: it also contains sysprefs that should be elsewhere, apparently.
03:01 dcook I guess there is no harm with them sitting in the database/local prefs gathering dust...
03:01 wizzyrea seems like that one ought to be erm, where it belongs?
03:01 wizzyrea like opacmainuserblockmobile?
03:01 dcook O_o
03:01 jcamins wizzyrea: local use contains all the removed sysprefs.
03:01 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot most likely
03:01 wizzyrea forget most likely
03:00 wizzyrea curses.
03:00 wahanui it has been said that most likely is not logrotated
03:00 jcamins dcook: most likely.
03:00 dcook bag: :(
03:00 bag :(
03:00 bag gave up a hit with one out to go
03:00 bag no longer perfect or no hitter
03:00 bag OH NO hit…
03:00 * wizzyrea hadn't looked in there in a long time
03:00 cjh dcook: I find using it as a bookmark helps me remember when it is due ;)
03:00 wizzyrea do they just need to be sorted?
03:00 wizzyrea whoa, why so many prefs in local use?
02:59 * dcook crosses his fingers for bag
02:59 bag 1 out to go!!!
02:59 dcook jcamins: Are you still planning to go to Reno in October?
02:59 wizzyrea the almighty rangi says that it was out for a while, but is back in again in 3.10
02:59 bag but I also prefer the bookmark
02:59 wizzyrea hm no
02:58 bag on checkout and checkin
02:58 bag well the user can choose to get "emailed slips"
02:58 * dcook likes the idea of "emailed slips", although always chose to print the slip at his public library anyway. Convenient bookmark...
02:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
02:58 bag wizzyrea bug 7001
02:57 bag let me check that bug.. what was it custom slips...
02:57 wizzyrea should have been and wasn't or it was ripped out and you don't want to commit to saying that :P
02:57 bag it should have been ripped out
02:56 wizzyrea is that broken now or... does that still work or... did we rip it out or...
02:56 bag 200,304 games played (as of the date of his column) X 2 (number of starting pitchers in each game) = 400,608
02:56 wizzyrea the original server side receipt printing
02:56 cjh wizzyrea: yes.
02:56 wizzyrea hey, um, does anyone know
02:55 bag In other words, at the beginning of every major-league game, an average pitcher facing a lineup of average hitters has a .000983 percent chance of pitching a perfect game.
02:55 dcook It's the opposite of curling. Not very fun to watch, but lots of fun to play.
02:55 dcook Baseball is pretty straightforward. Also remarkably boring to play when you're a child. Watching pro baseball can be entertaining though..
02:55 cjh bag: thanks for the explanation of the awesomeness
02:54 dcook I'll admit that is pretty awesome
02:54 cjh eythian: I dont really understand cricket either :)
02:54 bag so about 20 times in say 80,0000 games
02:54 bag it's happened about 20 times ever in the sport…
02:54 dcook Whoa...
02:54 eythian cjh: it's sorta like cricket, but a bit stranger.
02:54 bag perfect game is that no one ever reaches first base… 27 batters up and 27 batters out
02:53 cjh bag: I have no idea what that means, I will take your word for it :)
02:53 bag not in my world dcook
02:53 cjh when I was a kid I was in a 'soccer team', and at work I have been invited to 'indoor soccer'.
02:53 dcook I figured that would be no results found...
02:53 dcook "really" and "exciting" and "baseball"
02:53 bag those are pretty rare…
02:52 dcook jcamins: Seconded on loving books and text.
02:52 bag well there is something really exciting going on in baseball right now - Yu Darvish is 3 outs away from a perfect game
02:52 dcook Although I don't know about actual fans...
02:52 dcook People mostly say soccer though in my experience
02:52 cjh apparently http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/
02:52 cjh hahaha
02:51 dcook http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/socceroos
02:51 cjh although football is understood
02:51 * wizzyrea looks quizically at cjh
02:51 cjh bag: mostly soccer.
02:51 dcook bag: same
02:51 * wizzyrea was wondering the same thing
02:50 bag cjh: do you say football or soccer?
02:50 bag and that's what I put whenever I'm asked my profession
02:50 bag jcamins: my answer is I'm always a librarian first :)
02:50 cjh major league soccers?
02:49 bag heh
02:49 bag MLS's rule!!!
02:44 jcamins And text generally.
02:43 jcamins I love books.
02:43 jcamins Books are interesting.
02:42 dcook So what made you decide to get your librarian master's?
02:41 jcamins Right.
02:40 dcook Easily bored, hence only 100 pierogi? :p
02:40 dcook But I've always been library mad ;)
02:40 dcook Locally being the library world or even a particular library
02:39 dcook I think I love programming, because it gives one the ability to solve problems, and if you think locally enough...it's all good
02:38 jcamins Also, I'm easily bored.
02:30 dcook Fair enough. I appreciate the explanation :)
02:30 jcamins But that's why I hate programming.
02:28 dcook hehe
02:28 jcamins eythian: lol
02:28 eythian what you should do is create a new language that makes it really easy to develop and share generic solutions...
02:28 dcook Rather than...
02:28 dcook But that something new would be an "innovation"
02:27 dcook Even if you were writing something new, it would still be an attempt to solve an existing problem, me thinks
02:27 jcamins True.
02:27 dcook Capitalism also helps with the spending :p
02:26 jcamins Yes.
02:26 dcook you = one
02:26 dcook I'm sure you could boil down all the world's problems to a rather select few
02:26 dcook Stubbornness, lack of collaboration, ignorance, independence,
02:25 dcook Hmm
02:25 jcamins Why are billions of dollars spent *every day* to have people write them?
02:25 dcook Because you're trying to solve an existing problem with a slightly different solution
02:25 jcamins Sure, but why am I writing them?
02:25 jcamins Sadly they appear to have forgotten to have explained what to do with that class.
02:24 dcook That said, wouldn't it be rather odd if your algorithm were new?
02:24 jcamins Probably.
02:23 dcook Depending on what you were doing, I suppose you could've used the RecursiveArrayIterator class?
02:22 jcamins It looks something like this: { 'object' => {'children' => [ 'otherobject' => ...
02:22 dcook I had that exact same thought when I wrote my recursive array search the other day :p
02:22 jcamins I don't even have an unusual data structure.
02:22 jcamins There is *nothing* about this algorithm that is new.
02:21 jcamins But take this simple recursive array search that I just wrote..
02:21 dcook But I suppose that's no different than anything.
02:20 dcook I wonder sometimes about all the duplicated code and wasted effort. The re-engineering that everyone does to make "their program" work.
02:20 jcamins Hehe.
02:19 eythian I suspect it's not, no :)
02:19 dcook I'm not sure that's what he means though, eythian
02:19 eythian well, you just need to solve them in a portable way once and for all then :)
02:18 dcook Admittedly, this is something that I ponder from time to time
02:18 jcamins If I'm lucky, in the past decade and a half I might have written three things that were not simply reimplementations of something that has already been done a million times.
02:17 dcook Mmmm
02:17 jcamins What shouldn't exist are the problems that I spend all my time "solving" as a programmer.
02:17 jcamins Oh, problems should exist.
02:16 eythian why should problems not exist?
02:16 jcamins dcook: and, in answer to your earlier question, programming is about telling the computer how to go about solving problems that shouldn't exist.
02:15 eythian It's been there for quite some time :)
02:15 cjh oh wow, parrot apparently exists too. The future is here.
02:14 eythian apt-get install rakudo
02:14 eythian Perl 6 exists
02:12 cjh there is also perl5i and/or modern perl, they have the advantage of actually existing.
02:11 eythian jcamins: you should be using it as a chance to work with Perl 6 anyway
02:09 cjh it is kind of python-esque, but with {} and some cool ideas around concurrency and types.
02:09 jcamins Not very Ruby-like.
02:09 jcamins Actually... go looks surprisingly not awful.
02:08 wizzyrea you knew what I meant
02:08 wahanui rumour has it language is filed letter by letter word by word
02:08 wizzyrea language.
02:08 cjh heh
02:08 wizzyrea it probably means "poop" in some languatge.
02:08 wizzyrea Kohago is a cool-ish name
02:07 cjh and that is how the koha-go port began...
02:07 cjh tour.golong.org is really cool
02:07 rangi *nod* me too
02:07 cjh I have only played with go a little bit, but I really like it. Have to write something serious in it at some point.
02:07 rangi http://golang.org/
02:07 eythian PHP will make you stupider.
02:07 rangi :)
02:07 cjh :)
02:07 rangi seriously do it in go
02:06 cjh rangi: do you mean 'go do it' or 'go the language' ?
02:06 jcamins eythian: but Perl isn't exactly a thrilling option either.
02:06 jcamins Yeah.
02:05 rangi :)
02:05 eythian You should rewrite it in Perl. PHP is not the best option.
02:05 dcook Cataloguing interface?
02:05 rangi go
02:04 jcamins I can always rewrite in Perl if I decide that's the best option.
02:02 mtj ^^ my 2 cents :)
02:02 mtj i really like the way python code looks, its the least squiggly of the bunch
02:01 jcamins Haskell: wtf?
02:01 jcamins Ruby: "Screw you, I'm not going to compile."
02:01 eythian PHP: "bluuuuurg."
02:01 jcamins Python: "Hi, see this space? IT MEANS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT."
02:00 eythian yes, and yet you picked PHP
02:00 jcamins eythian: but consider the options.
02:00 cjh eythian++
02:00 eythian heh
02:00 eythian ahahaha
02:00 eythian hahahahah
02:00 eythian hahahahahaha
02:00 cjh :o
02:00 jcamins I don't particularly like Perl so I decided to use a different language, and PHP seemed the best choice.
01:56 jcamins I think I have, yes.
01:56 dcook Mmm, I was wondering where that blog post resides...
01:55 cjh jcamins: have you read http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ ?
01:55 jcamins That's why.
01:55 dcook http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php
01:54 jcamins Ah.
01:54 dcook Usually == should work, but I know if you're using stripos or strpos you'll need to use ===
01:53 dcook When were you using it?
01:53 jcamins == did not work.
01:53 jcamins Right.
01:53 dcook == vs === ?
01:53 jcamins wtf?
01:53 jcamins uhhh...
01:52 jcamins PHP's equality operators...
01:52 jcamins Okay. This is bizarre.
01:52 dcook You're the second "techie" person that I've heard say that in recent memory. I remember you saying that you decided not to be a software developer before you headed to college, but...I figured you didn't like the IT world. Why don't you like programming? (If you don't mind me asking)
01:51 mtj ^^ its making programming more fun for me
01:51 cjh gets me everytime.
01:51 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cjh
01:51 cjh mtj: awesome!
01:51 mtj i have recently (since xmas) starting dabbling in writing a video game in perl-sdl
01:50 jcamins dcook: yes.
01:47 dcook jcamins: You hate programming?
01:40 wahanui OK, eythian.
01:40 eythian wahanui: rex manning is <reply>Rex Manning day is the 8th of April. http://www.mrkeroppi.com/original-mrkeroppi/what-day-is-rex-manning-day/
01:39 eythian hate PHP, it can take it
01:38 jcamins Other than the obvious issue that I hate programming.
01:31 jcamins dcook: I'm not sure yet.
01:30 dcook I had some issues at first, but I got one working the other day.
01:30 dcook What's the issue with the PHP one?
01:30 dcook C'est une bonne question, jcamins
01:30 jcamins So why is it that they're so damn hard to write in JS and PHP?
01:29 jcamins You know, I don't have any trouble writing recursive algorithms in Perl.
01:29 dcook But really...possibilities are subject to imagination
01:29 dcook Yeah, I like it for new books as well
01:29 dcook Mmm, I had forgotten about the caching
01:28 rangi so you dont hammer the server doing reports
01:28 rangi and you can cache the results too
01:28 rangi cos its much easier than the ways we have now
01:28 rangi on the opac
01:28 rangi mostly i did it for newbooks
01:27 rangi and see which ones are busy
01:27 rangi broken down by station/machine
01:27 eythian I forsee a world of 3D pie charts :/
01:27 rangi you could totally graph the circ requests and show that in the staff client
01:27 rangi yep, could do that too
01:26 dcook I was thinking of calling up some data and then outputting it into a table using the jquery Datatable
01:26 dcook Mmm, looks familiar ;)
01:25 rangi look up jqplot
01:25 rangi yep
01:25 dcook A graph you say?
01:25 rangi and voila a graph on your opac
01:25 rangi etc
01:25 rangi or opacmain
01:25 cjh we used it to make all sorts of pretty graphs in jquery :)
01:25 rangi throw some js in opacjs
01:24 dcook Cool beans :)
01:24 rangi :)
01:24 rangi thats what i wrote it for yes
01:24 dcook That would require jQuery's ajax method, yes?
01:22 dcook Actually, I've been wondering a bit about using jQuery to call the web service and output the results on an existing page
01:21 dcook Sweet :)
01:21 rangi yep
01:19 dcook rangi: I just need to know if it'll be available when we move a particular library over to 3.10 :)
01:19 * jcamins shrugs
01:19 cjh mtj: thanks for the digging around :)
01:18 rangi dcook: well that was the first release it was in anyway
01:18 dcook jcamins: Then why use it?
01:18 dcook Thanks, rangi
01:18 rangi yep
01:18 jcamins dcook: yeah, I hate it.
01:17 dcook Does anyone know off-hand when the SQL report web service was introduced? 3.10?
01:17 dcook jcamins: Using PHP? :o
01:14 mtj anyhoo… something to think about :)
01:14 mtj cjh, yeah that too :/
01:13 cjh mtj: we would have to package it ourselves, but it doesnt look obviously too hard.
01:13 jcamins I can't figure out how to use it.
01:13 jcamins I wrote a non-object-oriented function in PHP.
01:13 jcamins Bah.
01:09 cjh we could also try crypt::openssl::random which is in squeeze but requires a good seed
01:09 mtj cjh, i thought there might have been a case for Crypt::Random::TESHA2 being weakish, but good enuff for a seed
01:05 mtj hey bagz
01:05 cjh mtj: I was planning to mention this sometime, thanks for bringing it up :)
01:04 bag hey mtj
01:04 cjh so I went with the thing wrapper (it was what Crypt::Random was doing, but it had Math::Pari deps which are impossible)
01:03 cjh we could also package the dep ourselves, but a seed doesnt have to be cryptographically secure as long as it is unique and non-predictable.
01:03 mtj i like the simple wrapper plan, too
01:02 mtj hiya cjh :)
01:01 mtj ah, its in sid -> http://packages.debian.org/sid/libbytes-random-secure-perl
01:01 mtj so thats an added hassle , if we use it
01:00 mtj hmm, i dont think Bytes::Random::Secure is a deb package yet… :/
00:57 cjh currently it is around /dev/random and /dev/urandom depending upon how you ask it :)
00:56 eythian mtj: cjh is writing a simple wrapper around /dev/random that's probably the lowest maintenance method
00:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
00:55 mtj re: bug 9611
00:55 mtj haay eythian, what about this one? -> http://search.cpan.org/~davido/Bytes-Random-Secure-0.25/lib/Bytes/Random/Secure.pm
00:30 rgbv ahh, right, missed that one, you're on to it eythian
00:30 rangi good thinking eythian
00:30 rangi thats right
00:30 rangi ah yes we moved them all into the admin interface so you dont need to edit files
00:29 eythian Tools -> Notices
00:29 eythian no, a notice
00:28 rgbv ok, is that printslip.tt ?
00:27 rangi might be worth trying rgbv
00:27 rangi could be, you might have to edit the template to add the news thingy
00:26 eythian it comes from a notice template now doesn't it?
00:24 rgbv it used to print on both, we had library contact details on it, quite useful for us, thanks for having a look :)
00:21 rangi hmm i think it only prints on the slip by design ... im not sure about that though i will check with wizzyrea when she gets back
00:17 eythian no problem
00:17 dcook_ Neato. Thanks for the Andchat recommendation, eythian :D
00:13 rgbv hey, the koha news that we've added to the slip isn't printing on the quickslip, but it is on the slip in 3.10.3... any ideas how to get it to show up on the quickslip?
00:10 rgbv hi rangi
00:10 rangi hiya rgbv