Time  Nick         Message
00:43 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
01:44 wizzyrea     hiyas
01:47 ribbit       hey
02:52 alohabot     Hi mib_tm, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
02:53 mib_tm       Hi! How do I save a search result in client to Excel file?
02:58 jcamins      mib_tm: that feature is not built into Koha.
03:42 drojf        http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/28/4157982/amazon-to-acquire-book-recommendation-social-network-goodreads
03:49 wizzyrea     mib_tm: probably the best we could do would be to put the results of the search in the cart, and download that.
04:42 rangi        oh man, now i have to stop working on goodreads stuff
04:47 Oak          kia ora #koha
04:52 jeff         rangi: i stopped working on goodreads stuff (unrelated to koha) when i saw the quality of the reviews on popular items. youtube comments with slightly better grammar and more animated gifs. :-(
04:54 rangi        tis true, but the lists thing would have been kinda cool, to allow you to sync your koha lists with your goodreads ones
04:55 * jeff       nods
04:55 jeff         i do hope that amazon doesn't completely change the ToS to be unfriendly
04:57 rangi        yeah, they do seem to do that quite a lot
05:01 jeff         and someone pointed out that amazon already owns (by way of abebooks) a 40% stake in librarything
05:06 rangi        yep
06:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #82 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:15 bag          well I like seeing SUCESS jenkins :)  and with that catch you later koha peeps :)
06:15 bag          SUCCESS
06:15 rangi        cya bag
06:32 cait         morning #koha
06:33 rangi        hi cait
06:33 cait         oh hey rangi
06:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #82: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/82/
06:51 jenkins_koha Liz Rea: Bug 8979 - simple addition of news to CCSR theme
06:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8979 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , "News" does not work with CCSR
06:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #285 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:52 cait         being busy? :)
06:52 rangi        yup
06:52 christophe_c hello
06:58 cait         hi christophe_c :)
06:58 christophe_c bonjour cait ;-)
07:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #285: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/285/
07:30 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9341: Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
07:30 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bump db number
07:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
07:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #83 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:32 rangi        right finally caught up
07:33 cait         yay :)
07:48 reiveune     hello
07:49 rangi        hi sophie_m and reiveune
07:49 marcelr      hello #koha
07:50 cait         hi marcelr :)
07:50 marcelr      hi cait
07:50 * cait       continues work on bug 9922
07:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9922 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn
07:50 marcelr      great
07:50 marcelr      still looking at 6554
07:50 cait         today is a holiday here :)
07:50 cait         bug 6554
07:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates
07:50 marcelr      new name
07:50 cait         better :)
07:51 cait         I am a bit worried about dpavlin's suggestion
07:51 cait         it seemed the the docs werenot recommending it?
07:51 marcelr      that what i thought too
07:51 marcelr      therefore decoding
07:51 cait         ok
07:51 marcelr      but probably it does not matter too much for koha
07:52 cait         I am a bit lost there  - glad you and bernardo are working on it
07:52 marcelr      :)
07:52 cait         i guess there should be some kind of best practice?
07:52 marcelr      i will search a little there still
07:53 sophie_m     hello rangi and #koha
07:54 marcelr      hi sophie_m
07:56 cait         hi sophie_m and wizzyrea  :)
07:56 wizzyrea     hi cait
07:57 cait         hm ok
07:57 cait         wizzyrea: I am retesting the holds bug
07:57 cait         and I got a question
07:57 cait         :)
07:57 wizzyrea     ok shoot
07:57 cait         what I did:
07:58 cait         record with 1 item, I am at library A, item is at library B (holding library)
07:58 cait         but it belongs to A normally
07:58 wizzyrea     sure
07:58 cait         :)
07:58 cait         I put a record level hold on it
07:58 cait         and it bheaving like described on bug - so far so good :)
07:58 wizzyrea     cool
07:58 cait         but now I tried to undo my confusion about item level holds and I think what I see is werid
07:58 cait         so cancelled my hold
07:59 cait         transformed it into an item level hold on the item
07:59 cait         it is still at library B
07:59 cait         when i rerun holds queue, it shows up on the holds queue for library A
07:59 cait         but it's not here
07:59 cait         it's at B
07:59 cait         so noone owuld go and pick it for me?
08:00 wizzyrea     right
08:00 wizzyrea     this is without the patch right?
08:00 cait         ok
08:00 cait         scratch that
08:00 cait         it's on no list
08:00 * cait       is confused
08:00 wizzyrea     it's possible that there is more than one bug in the hold queue.
08:01 cait         yeah it looks like another bug
08:01 cait         I will retest on master again
08:01 cait         but maybe you could take a look? ah no... you are off work :)
08:01 wizzyrea     but we are really concerned with his question of "we do not ever pick items from home branch"
08:01 wizzyrea     well yea, but I can look later.
08:01 wizzyrea     :)
08:01 Joubu        hi #koha
08:01 cait         you are really concerned about what?
08:01 wizzyrea     right now, in master
08:01 wizzyrea     depending on automaticitemreturn
08:01 cait         ok, test case is item level hold on an available item at another branch :)
08:02 wizzyrea     we are picking items from home branches
08:02 cait         yeah that's wrong
08:02 cait         they are not there
08:02 wizzyrea     and... that
08:02 cait         :)
08:03 wizzyrea     just ummmmmm file a bug about the item level ones
08:03 cait         i will
08:03 wizzyrea     or... send me email or something
08:03 cait         and pass that one
08:03 cait         just wanted to check it's not a regression with th epatch
08:03 wizzyrea     just so I don't forget :)
08:03 cait         but it behaves same on master for me
08:03 wizzyrea     well I haven't tested that, truthfully
08:03 wizzyrea     but it would NOT at all surprise me if there were another bug.
08:03 cait         cc you? :)
08:03 wizzyrea     sure that would be lovely
08:03 wizzyrea     or assign me for purposes of testing
08:04 cait         ok
08:04 cait         on it right now, but first passing qa on that record level fix
08:05 cait         if it's something in my installation you can still mark it invalid :)
08:05 cait         but it matches what I saw the first night at least and what got me so confused about 9922
08:08 cait         wizzyrea: 9922 passed all tests and QA :)
08:09 cait         wizzyrea: which email do I assign to?
08:09 cait         your gmail or catalyst one?
08:10 francharb    hello #koha
08:10 rangi        hi francharb
08:10 rangi        wizzyrea: i got as far as this There was an error in your Gemfile, and Bundler cannot continue
08:10 rangi        with selfstarter
08:10 rangi        then i remember i hate rails and ruby gems with a passion, and gave up
08:11 cait         lol
08:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #83: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/83/
08:11 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9341: Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
08:11 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping the version number
08:11 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 9727: Fix typo in variable name
08:11 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9841 - Improve the link from the "logged in as mysql-user"-warning
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
08:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9415: XML catalog export is missing root node
08:11 cait         yah, that sounds like you
08:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9423: Add notforloan value to issue confirmation or blocking message
08:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7018 : need all acq permissions to search
08:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9504: URL escape in OPAC more searches
08:11 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 7875: Change the pending suggestion link in home page so that it directs to pending suggestions
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9727 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Typo in code causes compilation failure with Solr enabled
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9841 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Improve the link from the "logged in as mysql-user"-warning
08:11 cait         hating ruby
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9415 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , XML catalog export is missing root node
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9423 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Add notforloan value to issue confirmation or blocking message
08:11 rangi        ruby is ok
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7018 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , need all acq permissions to search
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9504 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , URL escape in OPAC more searches
08:11 * cait       hides her messages in jenkins :)
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7875 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Pending suggestion link (the numbers) from staff client home directs to accepted suggestions instead of pending
08:11 rangi        rails is horrid
08:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #286 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:11 rangi        and gems is a ridiculous attempt at packaging
08:14 cait         rangi: that might be similar to my feelings about holds
08:15 cait         in theory... they are a very good idea... but...
08:15 cait         hi francharb :)
08:16 francharb    hi rangi, hi cait
08:16 cait         @later tell wizzyrea - bug 9950
08:16 huginn       cait: The operation succeeded.
08:26 cait         looking at bug 9381 now
08:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9381 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , Add Catalan language
08:27 marcelr      cait: i already glanced thru that; there should be some way to simplify such things in future :)
08:27 cait         i agre
08:28 cait         I am not sure I filed a bug for it or not
08:28 cait         .. hm.
08:28 cait         I think we shoudl do it the same way as sysprfs
08:28 marcelr      yes
08:28 cait         one global file for all
08:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #286: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/286/
08:48 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7018 : need all acq permissions to search
08:48 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 7875: Change the pending suggestion link in home page so that it directs to pending suggestions
08:48 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9748: don't link items in SCO checkout list back to main OPAC
08:48 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9802 - add test case to ensure man pages have correct XML
08:48 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 8378 - <fine> in overdues changed to <<items.fine>>
08:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7018 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , need all acq permissions to search
08:48 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 8378 - show all items columns and new items.fine
08:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7875 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Pending suggestion link (the numbers) from staff client home directs to accepted suggestions instead of pending
08:48 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 8378 - followup - sample_notices.sql updated to <<items.fine>>
08:48 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 8378 - followup - update notices to use <<items.fine>>
08:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version
08:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9748 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , noitemlinks not being enforced
08:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9802 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add test case to verify package man pages are well formatted
08:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #84 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
09:00 Bolf         hello can somebody give me littlle consultation about koha
09:00 rangi        we won't know until you ask your question
09:01 Bolf         is it a good program for work in Medic library
09:02 rangi        yes, it is in use in a lot of medical libraries
09:03 Bolf         could you give me example??
09:04 Bolf         what languages of programm are avalible??
09:05 rangi        http://translate.koha-community.org/
09:05 rangi        http://gwahsopac.intersearch.com.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
09:05 rangi        http://kgh.koha-ptfs.eu/
09:07 cait         also: http://beckercat.wustl.edu/
09:09 cait         marcelr++
09:11 marcelr      :)
09:13 gaetan_B     hello
09:15 cait         hi gaetan_B
09:15 gaetan_B     hi cait :) did you get rid of your cold ?
09:16 cait         hi gaetan_B - yes i did :) and it helps that today is a holiday here
09:16 cait         so long weekend
09:16 gaetan_B     oh lucky you :)
09:21 cait         yep :)
09:21 cait         judging from wizzyrea's post on facebook it's also in nz? rangi?
09:23 rangi        yep
09:23 rangi        friday and monday
09:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #84: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/84/
09:29 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9748: don't link items in SCO checkout list back to main OPAC
09:29 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9802 - add test case to ensure man pages have correct XML
09:29 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 8378 - <fine> in overdues changed to <<items.fine>>
09:29 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 8378 - show all items columns and new items.fine
09:29 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 8378 - followup - sample_notices.sql updated to <<items.fine>>
09:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9748 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , noitemlinks not being enforced
09:29 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 8378 - followup - update notices to use <<items.fine>>
09:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version
09:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9802 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add test case to verify package man pages are well formatted
09:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
09:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9496: improve error checking in rebuild_zebra.pl
09:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9496 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , rebuild_zebra.pl should handle invalid XML records better
10:00 * wizzyrea   waves
10:03 cait         wb wizzyrea :)
10:03 wizzyrea     hehe ty.
10:03 wizzyrea     got your message, maybe i'll poke at it
10:03 wizzyrea     tonight
10:07 wizzyrea     I just finished poking at bug 9894
10:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks
10:11 cait         awesome :)
10:13 wizzyrea     I don't know what "flagging" a subfield does
10:13 wizzyrea     but it's now supported. :P
10:13 wizzyrea     so if you know, please pipe up.
10:13 cait         no ide
10:13 cait         a
10:13 cait         where is that?
10:13 wahanui      that is probably in march?
10:13 cait         forget that?
10:13 wahanui      cait: I forgot that
10:13 wizzyrea     in the visibility section of the subfield editor
10:14 wizzyrea     er, I think it's labeled hidden now
10:14 wizzyrea     yea, hidden
10:14 wizzyrea     under show more constraints
10:14 cait         no idea
10:14 wizzyrea     it's in the online help
10:14 cait         and does the help states what it does?
10:15 wizzyrea     no, not at all.
10:15 wizzyrea     it just notes its existence
10:15 wizzyrea     and jonathan brought it up as part of qa
10:15 wizzyrea     technically that bit could go away, it was really just an excuse to muck around in jquery :P
10:15 wizzyrea     if it comes to that
10:16 wizzyrea     (and javascript)
10:16 cait         heh
10:16 cait         maybe if it was there before we should not kill it
10:16 wizzyrea     yea, that was my thought
10:16 cait         but ask for a follow up explaining what it does?
10:16 wizzyrea     i mean, it was there, it should probably stay supported.
10:17 cait         yeah
10:17 wizzyrea     hehe yea, exactly
10:17 cait         still.. makes you curious
10:17 wizzyrea     yea, exactly.
10:17 wizzyrea     i suppose we could do this by the power of science.
10:17 wizzyrea     let's investigate!
10:18 cait         hehe
10:18 wizzyrea     well it thinks that a -8 is "hidden"
10:19 wizzyrea     and it does not show in the editor...
10:20 wizzyrea     i wonder how it's different from, say, !opac !intranet !editor...
10:20 cait         btw - shouldn't you be sleeping or helping the easter bunny to hide eggs?
10:21 wizzyrea     oh it's 11:15
10:21 wizzyrea     shops were closed today, I couldn't get my chocolate egg buying thing on
10:22 wizzyrea     I need to get a basket going for spud tho.
10:22 * wizzyrea   is a terrible procrastinator
10:22 cait         hehe
10:22 wizzyrea     (for that kind of stuff)
10:22 cait         it helps to get other things done...
10:22 cait         see that good side of it :)
10:22 wizzyrea     hee yea
10:32 * cait       finishes scrubbing her kitchen clen
10:37 marcelr      well jcamins, bug 6554 is for you now ;)
10:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates
11:10 jcamins      marcelr++
11:12 marcelr      :)
11:29 cait         morning jcamins :)
11:30 Oak          guten tag cait
11:36 cait         hi Oak :)
12:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #313 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #313: SUCCESS in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/313/
12:09 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
12:20 druthb       o/
12:22 cait         hi druthb
12:22 druthb       :)
13:08 cait         marcelr++ again :)
13:10 marcelr      hi cait
13:11 marcelr      cait: first in the qa queue is my own supertiny oneliner for zebra ;)
13:11 cait         :)
13:11 cait         heh
13:11 cait         sec, I am looking for it
13:11 cait         had to get the apartment cleaned up and tidied, but coming back to qa right now
13:11 marcelr      i cannot do it myself..
13:11 marcelr      no worries
13:12 cait         bug 9609?
13:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Rebuild zebra reports double numbers for exported records with -z option
13:12 marcelr      yes
13:13 cait         ok :)
13:13 cait         will you be around a bit longer?
13:13 marcelr      very trivial
13:13 marcelr      not so much
13:13 cait         I wanted to ask about the workflow behind your holds patches
13:14 marcelr      :)
13:14 cait         i was wondering how it works all together :)
13:14 marcelr      which one in fact?
13:14 cait         you did a couple i think
13:14 cait         let me see
13:14 marcelr      i have even more here
13:14 marcelr      :)
13:14 cait         bug 9761
13:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9761 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
13:15 cait         I was wondering if this was going in direction of stacks or reservations
13:15 marcelr      very nice one with bug 9788
13:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improvements for calling GetReservesFromItemnumber
13:15 marcelr      what do you mean with stacks
13:16 cait         in german we call them magazin
13:16 cait         an area where patrons can't go
13:16 marcelr      tijdschriften?
13:17 marcelr      it is based on reading room concept
13:17 cait         ah
13:17 cait         so people can put a hold, because they want to use it at this time in the reading room?
13:17 cait         something like that?
13:17 marcelr      but can be much wider used
13:17 marcelr      yes
13:17 marcelr      we want to collect these books in front of time
13:17 marcelr      and confirm them a day or so earlier
13:18 marcelr      point is more they come from a depot than that they are read in reading room actually
13:19 cait         ah
13:19 cait         I think a depot would translate to closed stacks somehow :)
13:20 cait         an area not in the library where patrons can't go and it takes some time to get the books :)
13:20 marcelr      ok now we are round :)
13:20 marcelr      yes
13:22 cait         interesting features :)
13:22 marcelr      yeah i would really like them to go in
13:22 marcelr      i have more patches to convert to master for that still
13:22 marcelr      and what about sru.. ;)
13:30 cait         oh yes :)
13:30 cait         sru! :)
13:30 marcelr      will try again in some weeks :)
13:30 cait         :)
13:43 marcelr      30 in passed qa now; time to go :)
14:23 gaetan_B     druthb: hello ! do you have a few minutes for me and my quest for understanding rtl ?
14:24 druthb       sure. :)
14:26 gaetan_B     great :)
14:26 gaetan_B     so, i see there has been quite a lot of work on making the interface work with an rtl language
14:26 gaetan_B     i'll have a deeper look at this
14:26 gaetan_B     but what i am confused with right now
14:27 gaetan_B     is how i should go about handling the data
14:27 gaetan_B     when it has bidirectionnal text
14:27 druthb       Right.  The big problem is we have a LOT of CSS in there that has float:left and similar sorts of things.  But the languages table actually *tells* which languages are RTL.
14:28 druthb       So my patch for that looks, and if the current language is one of those, it just inserts some CSS to override those.  Obviously, that patch needs updating for 3.10/3.12.
14:28 druthb       When I was working with it (with some Arabic speakers), they didn't seem to have any big trouble with bi-directional, with that patch.  So it may have been on the right track.
14:29 gaetan_B     actually right now i'm more concerned with making sure a title such as :
14:29 gaetan_B     تعلم HTML4 فى 24 درسا
14:29 gaetan_B     displays properly in both an rtl and an ltr interface
14:29 gaetan_B     right now if you create a record with this title, it will not work out very well
14:29 gaetan_B     but
14:29 gaetan_B     i'm not even sure there is a good solution to this problem
14:30 druthb       I've got on my queue to get back to my patch.  It *seemed* to resolve that correctly, by taking the viewpoint of "let the browser do that, it knows how."
14:31 gaetan_B     i need to look into your patch i guess :)
14:32 druthb       Take a look.  Like I said, it needs updating, as it was done under 3.6.x, and the staff client in particular has changed since then.
14:34 gaetan_B     druthb: one thing that would help right now was if i could find examples of records who mix both directions. Do you have any at hand ? Or something on the catalog for the project you did in Kordan ?
14:34 gaetan_B     s/Kordan/Jordan/
14:34 druthb       I don't have anything on tap right here, but you could create a dummy record with the title you posted a few minutes ago. :)
14:35 druthb       (that's what I did—I don't read a bit of Arabic.  It's a strange irony, that the Translation Manager only speaks English.)
14:35 gaetan_B     oh, and also francharb is asking me to say hi ;) druthb
14:35 * druthb     waves to francharb
14:35 francharb    francharb waves to druthb
14:35 * francharb  waves to druthb
14:36 francharb    better that way
14:36 francharb    ;)
14:36 druthb       :D
14:36 francharb    double waves are better
14:36 francharb    ;)
14:38 druthb       gaetan_B:  I'm still unpacking from a big move at my house, so it'll probably be a week or two before I get any time to start hacking on that RTL patch, but it's one of the things right near the top of my list, when I can.  I want that problem solved.
14:38 gaetan_B     cool, keep me informed, i will try to help
14:38 gaetan_B     i am still at a stage where i am just trying to figure things out though
14:38 druthb       great.  At some point, I'll need a signoff for it!  :)
14:39 gaetan_B     well, i don't read Arabic, but i'll manage something with Karam
14:40 druthb       :)
14:40 druthb       I have a couple of friends who read Arabic, too.  And Hebrew, which is also RTL, IIRC.
14:40 gaetan_B     it is indeed
14:50 jcamins      Actually, Hebrew tends to have slightly (but only slightly!) fewer problems with mixed-direction text.
14:50 jcamins      Probably just because it's easier to spot the spaces.
14:50 druthb       heh
14:52 jcamins      druthb: do you get off today?
14:52 jcamins      It's a holiday, apparently.
14:52 jcamins      (who knew!)
14:52 druthb       nope.  I'm in workin.
14:53 * jcamins    too
14:53 druthb       Our next holiday is Memorial Day.
14:53 jcamins      Bet you're shocked, eh? :P
14:53 druthb       I still have a *lot* of culture shocks going on here.
14:54 * jcamins    was referring to the fact that he was working as a shock.
14:54 druthb       :P
14:55 druthb       Shari and I share the opinion, I think, that you work too much.  But if ya gotta, ya gotta.
15:08 rambutan     @seen druthb
15:08 huginn       rambutan: druthb was last seen in #koha 12 minutes and 23 seconds ago: <druthb> Shari and I share the opinion, I think, that you work too much.  But if ya gotta, ya gotta.
15:08 jcamins      khall: around?
15:10 druthb       @seen rambutan
15:10 huginn       druthb: rambutan was last seen in #koha 2 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <rambutan> @seen druthb
15:10 druthb       :P
15:43 gmcharlt     heh
15:44 rambutan     ehh
15:47 datadoctor   Has anyone worked on a self-pay station for Koha, where patrons can pay their fines using a credit card?
15:48 jcamins      datadoctor: it can be done if you have a SIP payment thing.
15:49 datadoctor   I was thinking of using the Paypal API - I think it can direct a credit card payment without requiring the patron to create a Paypal account. Of course there would be transaction fees and percentages.
15:49 cait         i think that would be better separate from koha
15:50 cait         or maybe a plugin
15:50 jcamins      Definitely.
15:50 jcamins      No, not a plugin.
15:50 datadoctor   That makes sense.
15:50 jcamins      Separate.
15:50 cait         k
15:50 jcamins      Communicate via SIP.
15:51 jcamins      When dealing with money, you want to separate things as much as possible so that if there's an exploit, the minimum number of people are impacted.
15:51 datadoctor   I like the SIP advice.
15:52 datadoctor   And I will think through the security issues carefully. If I can separate the system from Koha that is ideal, however I do want to pull fines information and push fines resolutions.
15:53 cait         that should be possible
15:53 cait         using sip I think
15:54 cait         there might be a sip/fine related patch in bugzilla
15:54 datadoctor   Interesting.
15:54 wahanui      interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
15:55 gaetan_B     bye koha, happy easter !
15:55 datadoctor   happy easter!
15:56 datadoctor   watch for giant rabbits.
15:58 cait         scary :)
15:58 datadoctor   thanks for the advice on fines payment jcamins and cait - I'll let you know if anything develops here.
16:07 reiveune     bye
16:32 * Oak        waves
16:32 Oak          jcamins++
17:00 Joubu        have a good week end #koha!
17:02 cait         you too Joubu :)
17:36 cait         @wunder Konstanz
17:36 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.3°C (6:30 PM CET on March 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
18:03 bag          @wunder 93102
18:03 huginn       bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 14.6°C (10:59 AM PDT on March 29, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
18:06 druthb       @wunder 77063
18:06 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 25.1°C (1:01 PM CDT on March 29, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
18:07 druthb       yo bag!
18:07 bag          yo druthb
18:07 bag          hot there eh?
18:07 druthb       I was just thinking of you….  There's a guy across the hall from me here who has a taste of your laid-back attitude.
18:07 druthb       (he wears shorts and flip-flops to work, even)
18:08 bag          well at least I brush my teeth :P
18:08 druthb       I've not gotten close enough to Kurt to figure that out, but I think he does.  He keeps his office dark, so it's hard to tell.
18:08 bag          find out if he brews his own beer :)  then you'll know :P
18:09 druthb       heh
18:09 druthb       We have lots of interesting characters here.  our current RM makes jcamins look tall and fat.
18:10 jcamins      lol
18:10 bag          is he a skinny hobbit?
18:10 druthb       yep!
18:10 bag          and that is really hard to believe - if you're talking about the same jcamins I know
18:11 bag          jcamins++  you're a tall hobbit - which is one of the "highest" honors
18:11 jcamins      Hehe.
18:13 druthb       oh!  bag, this is right down the street from the office:http://www.myhobbitcafe.com/
18:13 bag          cool
18:14 druthb       anyone want to say hi to libsysguy?  He's just walked into my office.
18:15 * cait       waves
18:15 * jcamins    waves
18:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #287 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:12 rangi        wow that was a useful message
19:12 rangi        spammers--
19:14 jcamins      Why yes, thank you, I would like you to use Javascript to redirect me to your home page when I leave my web browser open to a record in the catalog for a while.
19:15 jcamins      I'm sure no one would ever open up a record and then go look at something else for a while.
19:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #287: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/287/
19:18 jenkins_koha David Cook: Bug 9781 - Fix bug in 3.8.x (dynarch) calendar positioning in IE
19:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9781 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , [3.6.X/3.8.x] Fix dynarch calendar positioning in IE
19:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #288 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #288: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/288/
20:01 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8942 : Adding a test to make sure we don't use single quotes for js
20:01 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript
20:01 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 1)
20:01 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 2)
20:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8942 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Translation process breaks javascript in calendar.inc
20:01 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Removing a single quote in the js
20:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #85 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #85: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/85/
20:42 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8942 : Adding a test to make sure we don't use single quotes for js
20:42 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript
20:42 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 1)
20:42 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 2)
20:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8942 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Translation process breaks javascript in calendar.inc
20:42 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Removing a single quote in the js
20:45 wizzyrea     hiyas
20:59 jcamins      wizzyrea: wrong bug?
21:01 wizzyrea     yea thanks.
21:05 * jcamins    calls it a night, heads to Trader Joe's and home.