Time Nick Message 23:05 gmcharlt bag: yes # but you probably know that already now ;) 22:38 bag nevermind :) 22:35 bag I'm drawing a blank 22:34 bag dumb quesiton - can you z3950 into koha for the item information? 22:20 cait hey eythian - bye all 22:16 rambutan hey 22:15 eythian hi 21:30 * jcamins leaves for a lecture. 21:26 cait nope not you - have been falling into that trap lots lately 21:26 wizzyrea git bz I mean 21:26 wizzyrea i thought it was just me 21:25 wizzyrea i've noticed that happening too but I didn't pay that much attention 21:25 wizzyrea maybe has to do with bz? 21:25 cait the pull down is still signed off although bug says passed qa above - didn't toch the bug setting :( 21:24 cait i have that sometimes happening with bug status too 21:24 cait I think browser problem 21:23 wizzyrea yea, she's good people 21:23 rangi http://www.littlegreenpixel.com/ 21:23 rangi i'd like to have jen stick around koha 21:23 rangi hehe 21:23 jcamins Just so long as you don't do it again. :P 21:21 rangi hehe we keep making jared have to switch it to bug 21:17 cait misread 21:17 jcamins Huh. I don't know who that is. 21:17 wahanui no it's not. 21:17 cait oh that's right 21:17 rangi just fyi 21:17 rangi its a different federic, not frederic demian 21:16 jcamins That sounds like a bug. 21:16 rangi updated 21:15 * jcamins reads 21:15 jcamins Still don't. 21:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , icons clumping together 21:15 rangi bug 5648 21:15 rangi hmm no 21:15 jcamins I don't recall that patch at all. 21:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5658 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, fridolyn.somers, CLOSED FIXED, can't delete subfields in frameworks 21:15 rangi bug 5658 21:15 wahanui i think bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber 21:15 cait rangi: bug? 21:14 jcamins Ah. 21:14 cait frederic 21:14 cait was not you 21:14 jcamins I don't recall doing that. 21:14 cait I deleted it accidentally earlier and got distracted 21:14 cait do you have the bug number? 21:14 wahanui well, either way is workable though imho 21:14 rangi either way 21:14 cait I will go an fix it 21:14 rangi for the fact it doesnt address an issue totally not to do with the bug 21:14 cait I thik he was not aware of that 21:14 jcamins Did I do that? 21:14 jcamins :( 21:14 rangi failing a first time developers patch 21:14 cait rangi: hm? 21:14 cait i mean documented :) then it should be alright 21:13 rangi wow 21:13 cait not my intent to be difficult on this one - but I still think it needs to be pointed out 21:13 cait hi :) 21:13 bag and HI! 21:13 bag thanks cait 21:01 wahanui hmmm... even better is what oleonard said just after that 21:01 cait even better 21:01 cait or the dog 21:01 cait hehe 21:01 jcamins Hehe. 21:01 gmcharlt jcamins: quick, blame the cat! 20:56 cait tsk 20:55 jcamins cait: yep. Emptied out three shelves onto the floor. 20:55 cait jcamins: so you created a mess at your client's? 20:55 jcamins I hate it the way bookshelves are never _quite_ the right height. 20:55 * jcamins gloomily contemplates the piles of books on the floor and the empty shelves on the wall. 20:47 oleonard Later #koha 20:47 * druthb heads off to go work out, then home. 20:44 druthb imma liking the 22.6 a lot more than the 9.8. 20:43 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #238 added. 20:43 gmcharlt @quote add <wizzyrea> JOKES FOR NERDS, JOKES FOR NERDS 20:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Twinbrook, Rockville, Maryland is 9.5°C (4:40 PM EDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 20:43 druthb @wunder 20852 20:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 9.8°C (3:39 PM CDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 20:43 druthb @wunder 66046 20:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 22.6°C (3:39 PM CDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 20:43 druthb @wunder 77063 20:43 wizzyrea JOKES FOR NERDS, JOKES FOR NERDS 20:42 wizzyrea hehehehehe 20:42 gmcharlt ;) 20:42 gmcharlt -++ 20:42 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "+" has been increased 10 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 9. 20:42 wizzyrea @karma + 20:42 gmcharlt -++ 20:42 gmcharlt -++ 20:42 wizzyrea someone typed +++ a lot 20:42 huginn druthb: Karma for "+" has been increased 9 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 8. 20:42 druthb @karma + 20:42 huginn druthb: Karma for "-" has been increased 4 times and decreased 76 times for a total karma of -72. 20:42 druthb @karma - 20:42 * druthb lulz 20:41 druthb +-- 20:41 druthb -++ 20:41 jcamins ms_access, windows, C4::Search, and ie have gotten a lot of negative karma from me. 20:41 jcamins I'm responsible for a lot of those. 20:41 jcamins Heh. 20:40 * druthb snickers. 20:40 rangi heh 20:40 huginn rangi: "<!": 125, "failed": 101, "-": 76, "ie": 67, "<-": 51, "C4::Search": 32, "windows": 27, "[": 22, "ptfs": 17, "--><!": 14, "liblime": 13, "src="<!": 11, "monday": 10, "it": 10, "^": 10, "-rw-r--r": 10, "marc": 10, "--": 9, "zebra": 9, "me": 8, "windchill": 8, "ms_access": 7, "ms_word": 7, "word": 7, and "oracle": 7 20:40 cait hm. 20:40 rangi @most decreased 20:40 huginn cait: Karma for "kf" has been increased 261 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 261. 20:40 cait @karma kf 20:40 huginn cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 374 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 373. 20:40 cait @karma cait 20:39 huginn rangi: Highest karma: "rangi" (759), "oleonard" (658), and "jcamins" (524). Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-101), and "-" (-73). You (rangi) are ranked 1 out of 2436. 20:39 rangi @karma 20:39 druthb yes, cait. Always. 20:39 wizzyrea but really I think jcamins probably deserves to be ahead ^.^ 20:39 wizzyrea phew, I have a ways to go to catch up :) 20:38 wizzyrea yea, that's dirty and requires fixing 20:36 cait druthb: again??? 20:35 druthb cait++ 20:35 druthb kittens++ 20:31 huginn oleonard: Karma for "kittens" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 20:31 oleonard @karma kittens 20:31 gmcharlt kittens++ 20:31 rangi and yes we definitely should stop duplicate userid and check for cardnumber 20:31 gmcharlt *boggles* 20:31 ibeardslee that can't be right 20:31 wahanui oleonard has karma of 432 20:31 druthb karma for oleonard 20:31 oleonard kittens++ 20:30 wahanui kittens has neutral karma 20:30 oleonard karma for kittens 20:30 druthb puh 20:30 gmcharlt druthb++ # we know you're awesome! 20:30 wahanui rangi: what? 20:30 rangi wahanui has his own tracker 20:30 wahanui kf has karma of 231 20:30 rangi karma for kf 20:30 wahanui jcamins has karma of 492 20:30 rangi karma for jcamins 20:29 jcamins Wow. 524! 20:29 druthb I'm gonna try to break into the 200s this year. Need me a bucket full of awesome. 20:29 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 526 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 524. 20:29 jcamins @karma jcamins 20:29 oleonard My staff really likes to put random spaces in people's email addresses during patron entry. 20:28 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 180 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 179. 20:28 druthb @karma druthb 20:28 cait have you ever tried setting dupliate userids using the patron import? 20:28 cait i think it's even worse 20:28 wizzyrea yea, that completely should not work 20:28 cait I ended up in the wrong patron account once :( 20:28 cait there is a bug around there 20:28 huginn druthb: "rangi": 765, "oleonard": 663, "jcamins": 526, "wizzyrea": 391, "cait": 373, "gmcharlt": 370, "chris_n": 313, "paul_p": 278, "kf": 261, "sekjal": 245, "nengard": 238, "magnuse": 217, "druthb": 180, "slef": 176, "eythian": 159, "fredericd": 96, "marcelr": 82, "drojf": 80, "tcohen": 75, "biblibre": 70, "hdl": 69, "mveron": 66, "mtj": 61, "hdl_laptop": 60, and "jwagner": 54 20:28 druthb @most increased 20:28 cait and that's evil 20:27 wizzyrea not surprising 20:27 oleonard Oh, but did you know you can set one user's username to another user's card number? 20:27 wizzyrea unless that user exists. 20:27 wizzyrea also, you cannot log into a koha using username "lolol" 20:27 huginn druthb: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011) 20:27 druthb @quote random 20:27 gmcharlt I have no memory of that 20:26 huginn cait: Quote #149: "mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!" (added by druthb at 01:15 AM, August 26, 2011) 20:26 cait @quote random 20:26 oleonard gmcharlt was seriously tripping that day 20:26 wizzyrea ! 20:26 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #198: "<gmcharlt> hobgoblins are stealing our eyes!" (added by slef at 05:49 PM, April 06, 2012) 20:26 wizzyrea @quote random 20:26 druthb :P 20:25 druthb Srsly. Or jdavidb. 20:25 oleonard Haven't heard from him in a while 20:25 oleonard Who's that "owen" guy huginn is talking about? 20:25 huginn druthb: Quote #202: "<wizzyrea> well and before that I used the garden of razorblades that is OpenBSD." (added by slef at 02:34 PM, April 27, 2012) 20:25 druthb @quote random 20:24 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 20:24 wizzyrea huginn is feeling philosophical today 20:24 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2009) 20:24 wizzyrea @quote random 20:24 wizzyrea it's so true. 20:23 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #160: "oleonard: All of humanity's evolution and technological achievement have led to this day, when someone could say simply, 1s, vid and make it so." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, September 28, 2011) 20:23 gmcharlt @quote random 20:18 cait was wondering if yo uhad more holidays :) 20:18 cait aah 20:18 wizzyrea kid duty :) 20:18 wizzyrea not yet - soon 20:18 cait btw - no rangi today? 20:17 cait k 19:55 wizzyrea (that's the old behaviour) 19:54 wizzyrea and the item should come from holdingbranch, always 19:54 cait got it 19:54 wizzyrea and AIR doesn't factor into it at all - the plan is, really, toggle AIR and nothing should change. 19:54 cait now have to check if I confused my branches 19:54 cait at least I had the right thought then :) 19:54 cait yep 19:53 wizzyrea that's the behaviour you are looking for :) 19:53 wizzyrea yea, it should always pick from holding branch, never ever from homebranch 19:53 cait I will check it agian a bit later or in the morning 19:53 wizzyrea you say holding branch fairfield 19:53 cait that's why I thought it was wrong 19:53 wizzyrea no 19:53 cait wizzyrea: I thought it was doing home branch 19:53 wizzyrea it was picking the holding branch, right>? 19:53 wizzyrea yea, that's fine 19:52 cait and i had several items on the record 19:52 cait but I did an item level - because i wanted it to pick the one with the dfferent home and holding branch 19:52 wizzyrea you always want the hold queue to select from holding branch, never home branch 19:52 cait oh there is one 19:52 cait I will trust the expert 19:52 wizzyrea kyle forgot an "apply the patch" in there 19:52 cait ok 19:52 wizzyrea the behaviour you saw was the right behaviour 19:51 cait but I will try 19:51 cait but it seemed wrong for item level too 19:51 wizzyrea item level holds were never the problem. 19:51 cait hm 19:51 wizzyrea hold 19:51 wizzyrea cait - on 9922 do a bib level 19:45 nengard now on to the next one 19:45 nengard patches are all marked un-obsolete :) 19:41 nengard works for me 19:41 nengard okey dokey 19:41 cait would be safest 19:41 cait I think leave it as it was 19:41 nengard :( 19:41 cait still fighting with that cold 19:41 nengard so cait - i just want to be sure I understand what we want ... yes to an include (as it is now) or no to an include (just update each file for now) 19:41 cait neither is mine 19:40 nengard she's doing great, it's just tiring for me to do a full time job and take care of her :) so my brain isn't working 100% 19:39 cait oh, hope she recovers well 19:39 nengard ? 19:39 nengard so - no includes 19:39 nengard I'm so worn out - I've been taking care of mom as she recovers from surgery at my house - so if I'm being confusing too that's why 19:39 cait maybe nengard is right - leave it as it is, figure out a smarter way later 19:39 cait heh 19:39 * jcamins doesn't have a strong feeling. 19:39 nengard hehe 19:39 cait i am confusing myself now 19:39 nengard right 19:38 cait so if you have a translated manual, you can point to it or leave it on en 19:38 cait actually, maybe just leaving it makes no difference.... you can't change the link to point to a translated manual now and you would not be able to do it then I think... but if we make it a variable, then it would need to be a pref maybe 19:38 nengard This week I need to get these help files done - so if we have a solution that's going to work that I'm missing let me know ... otherwise I'll do it the way I always have for this release and for the next one we come up with a plan that works for everyone - or we use the include (but I don't want it to break things with translation so I don't need to use it if that's the case) 19:37 cait or not picked up... which might not be a bad thing 19:36 nengard hmmm 19:36 jcamins nengard: the problem is the text of the include getting picked up, and translated into gibberish. 19:36 nengard so - here's why i'm confused - if it's picked up now - then why won't it be picked up with the include? 19:35 cait you would help translators as well :) 19:35 cait so if we get that figured out 19:35 cait with links to the manual 19:35 cait I have translated a gazillion little bit different sentences 19:34 cait of course 19:34 nengard Is it picked up now? 19:34 cait nengard: I am worreid abou tit getting picked up by the translation scripts 19:33 nengard just the include and the help files that have changed? 19:33 nengard make it so that in the future I don't have to update all the files 19:33 nengard the include would do what you're suggesting - wouldn't it 19:33 nengard don't mind 19:33 jcamins I was suggesting it because there are a gazillion files still to update. 19:33 nengard Well I don't kmind 19:33 nengard and can't keep going back and forth 19:33 jcamins nengard: you don't have to change it. 19:33 nengard I kind of feel like decisions to change things should have been made before now - now I need to rush to get these things done 19:33 cait no... not that help wahanui :) 19:32 wahanui i heard help was at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. 19:32 cait jcamins: help? 19:32 cait I think if you added a new variable to .... what's it called... that would probably work 19:32 nengard how is it diff from the current help files 19:32 nengard this way it's one file to edit 19:32 nengard and I need 3.10 or 3.12 in the URL 19:32 nengard the version is 3.10.3 or 3.09.100 19:31 cait the include could confuse the translation script I think 19:31 nengard I don't know what you mean by variables 19:31 cait instead of an include 19:31 cait nengard: I think ideally we would use variables - language is maybe already there 19:30 cait language is a good idea 19:28 nengard then it can be edited for version and language and if we ever move the manual 19:28 nengard much better that way 19:28 nengard there 19:21 nengard GOt it 19:21 nengard oh! 19:21 cait +<a href="http://manual.koha-community.org/[% koha version %]/en/searching.html">manual</a> (online).</strong></p> 19:20 cait I think the suggestion was to do something like that 19:20 nengard so that people don't have to search the manual to find what they want more info on 19:20 nengard based on the help file 19:20 nengard each link goes to the correct section of the manual 19:20 nengard okay we can't do it as an include 19:20 nengard I see what the problem is 19:20 nengard OH!!! 19:20 cait but you win nothing with a hardcoded link to searching I think? 19:20 nengard i'll update that with each release instead of every help file 19:20 cait yes 19:19 nengard it adds a new file with that link 19:19 nengard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=16950 19:19 cait and that has this link 19:18 cait i am only seeing your patch on the list :) 19:18 nengard I will then put that include in all the help files I create from here on out 19:18 nengard in it's own file 19:18 nengard cait, yes I did the searching stuff before the include - there is another patch that I see that has just the ending of that line 19:17 nengard i might have messed up 19:17 nengard my head is in 100 places at once 19:17 nengard hang on 19:17 cait hm so there isanother patch? 19:16 nengard that was before I created the include 19:16 cait +<a href="http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/searching.html">manual</a> (online).</strong></p> 19:16 cait nengard: hm, seeing your patch in my inbox - it looks like you hardcoded the include to searching? 19:10 cait ? 19:10 cait is the include within an html tag with the vresion` 19:10 jcamins Sounds good. 19:09 nengard cause I'm on a roll 19:08 nengard I'm going to use it going forward and once we get the ones I did pushed I'll submit an update for all of those 19:08 nengard I have an include ready to go 19:05 jcamins I think this connection cuts out on the hour every hour. 19:03 cait brb 19:03 nengard okay 19:02 cait only the link would be generated 19:01 cait but the sentence can be different 19:01 jcamins Not to mention the RM, of course. 19:01 jcamins It seems like a lot of unnecessary work for the doc manager. 18:58 nengard but right now I kind of link the fact that it's diff on each 18:58 nengard so I could change that and make it more generic and include it 18:58 nengard There is a sentence around the link that says learn more about ***** in teh manual 18:57 nengard jcamins - actually 18:56 jcamins I guess one option would be to set up redirects for development versions. 18:55 jcamins The question is, what manual should an odd version point to? 18:55 jcamins Hehe. 18:55 cait :) 18:55 cait ? 18:54 cait what would you do up thereß 18:54 cait ? 18:54 jcamins cait: I thought about that, and I'm on the fence. 18:53 cait jcamins: couldn't that be derived from the kohaversion? 18:50 bag that sounds smart to me 18:49 jcamins We just update the template variable to .../3.14/ or .../3.16/ or whatever. 18:49 jcamins Then anywhere that the manual hasn't changed you don't need to generate a patch at all. 18:49 jcamins But I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to have a template variable with the "current" manual URL. 18:48 jcamins Right, the review is definitely necessary. 18:47 nengard and compare it to the manual 18:47 nengard So I review each one 18:47 nengard but some I'm updating if the module changed or the manual section changed 18:47 nengard most of them are 18:47 jcamins nengard: a lot of the help patches are just changing the link from /3.10/ to /3.12/ right? 18:47 jcamins Hey, I had a thought. 16:48 kf cya later or tomororw! 16:48 kf andn ow I should leave while there is still a bit of sun out there! 16:48 kf but you are quite a fast reader :) 16:48 jcamins I started it yesterday and I'm 40% of the way through. 16:47 jcamins It's a nice fast read, too. 16:47 druthb :D 16:47 kf now I know why you bookmarked the book :) 16:47 kf oh sounds interesting 16:47 druthb "An Ecological View of an Open-Source Community: Koha" 16:46 kf hm doesn't work for me 16:46 druthb grr. 16:46 druthb http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710 16:46 kf bye all :) 16:44 kf what*s the title? 16:44 kf cool 16:43 druthb I submitted my talk abstract *yesterday*, and the orgs have already approved it. I'm amazed. 16:42 druthb http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710 16:40 druthb Plus two other conferences for cPanel, plus KohaCon…travelin' fool this year. 16:40 druthb yah, I'm looking forward to it. 16:40 oleonard Kiev eh druthb? That sounds cool. 16:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 critical, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 16:39 nengard anyone looking for easy patches to sign off on? bug 9850 has several - and more on the way :) 16:39 druthb Anyone here planning on being at YAPC::NA in Austin in June? Or YAPC::EU in Kiev in August? I'll be at both... 16:38 druthb awesome sauce! 16:37 nengard how goes it? 16:36 druthb Hi, nengard! :) 16:36 nengard druthb is here!! :) 16:34 druthb *right now* that's the big blocker, as I see it. 16:33 jcamins That was my recollection. 16:33 kf glad he stopped 16:32 druthb larryb tried installing Koha on an RHEL system, and eventually had to give up or become a raging maniac. 16:31 druthb Right. There's the rub. 16:31 jcamins Right, but before one can use Koha on an RPM-based distribution, one must install Koha's dependencies. 16:31 druthb cPanel *itself* is RPM, and it *prefers* RPM-aware things, but it isn't married to that. 16:30 druthb Some plugins are installed from tarball. 16:30 jcamins druthb: that'd be very cool, but I was talking about getting it installed in the first place being problematic... isn't cPanel RPM-only? 16:29 druthb I have some thoughts about how to make it go, jcamins. This would allow a hosting provider to offer a Koha plugin. When a customer of theirs wants to use Koha, then a $KOHA_CONF is set up, and you're running multiple instances off one codebase. Gnarly, maybe, at the moment.. 16:27 jcamins Or any RPMs. 16:27 jcamins druthb: definitely not, since we don't have working RPMs. 16:26 kf hmpf 16:26 druthb oleonard: I *would* like to see it possible to install Koha on a cPanel host environment. It would not be easy. 16:25 * druthb velcroes kf down, so she can't run 16:25 jcamins hard to say. 16:25 jcamins kf: hmmm... 16:25 kf jcamins: will we refrain from running afterwards? 16:24 druthb heh. 16:24 oleonard druthb: Have you convinced your employers to start offering Koha support yet? 16:24 druthb jcamins: Well suggested! I've bookmarked it for later reading! 16:24 druthb Hi, oleonard! :) 16:12 jcamins Everyone running for election in the 3.14 release cycle should read it. 16:12 jcamins I'm reading an interesting book called Producing Open Source Software : how to run a successful free software project. http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html 16:11 * oleonard straggles in 16:11 oleonard Hi #koha 16:09 reiveune bye 15:50 marcelr it is 2.x 15:50 kf it's empty in our oldest installation too 15:49 kf yep 15:49 marcelr i mailed the list 15:49 kf asking the elders maybe... rangi 15:49 kf yeah probably 15:49 marcelr hard to find? 15:49 kf it might be worth taking a look at what it was used for 15:49 marcelr there is a report for it\ 15:48 marcelr no, but i should just delete all refs to it 15:48 kf I just found the mail in my inbox because I wanted to check our installations for it :) 15:48 kf marcelr: did you get an answer to your question about reservecontraints? 15:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Failed QA , Broken encoding in members home/search page 15:48 marcelr if bgkriegel sees bug 6554, things will get better :) 15:47 huginn marcelr: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 14 hours, 14 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> :) 15:47 kf work never ends... :) 15:47 marcelr @seen bgkriegel 15:45 marcelr yeah 15:45 kf serials 15:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , item subfields not populating in 3.10 15:45 kf bug 9902 is also a bad one 15:44 marcelr :) 15:44 * kf gets out the cape for bernardo 15:44 kf lightning speed? 15:42 marcelr he is faster than fast 15:42 kf marcelr: what did he do this time? :) 15:40 marcelr bgkriegel++ 15:21 kf because the logs are clean - it just always applies your change to all libraries which is branchcode = empty 15:21 jcamins Because editing a specific library's rule worked when I tried it. 15:21 jcamins I think the renewal period, most likely. 15:21 kf I think it's probably easy to fix - just have to find out where the library goes missing 15:20 kf or both together causing some weird side effect 15:20 kf but it might, or to the new renewal period 15:20 kf hm no I don't think that's the problem actually 15:19 marcelr related to the patch on editing rules? 15:18 kf I think it's a missing parameter branch somewhere 15:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries 15:18 marcelr bug 9933 15:18 kf 9933 15:18 kf somewhat close to 10.000? ;) 15:17 marcelr what number 15:17 kf about not being able to edit issuing rules for specific libraries? 15:17 kf btw - did someone notice the blocker I filed this morning? 15:16 kf yeah I have filters - but I like to see the number on the dashboard go down too :) 15:16 kf ah 15:15 marcelr nothing important :) 15:15 marcelr kf: don't worry 15:15 kf reading back now 15:15 kf crazy busy today 14:55 jcamins 2200 14:55 marcelr not yet 14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 was not found. 14:55 marcelr who will file bug 10000 14:54 jcamins That includes pushed to Master and Pushed to Stable. 14:54 jcamins Wait, no. 14:54 marcelr wow 14:54 jcamins >2800 14:52 jcamins How many bugs are currently open in Bugzilla? 14:52 kf sorry phone! 14:49 marcelr i will probably look at some enh in the queue too (for a possible update to bug) 14:48 marcelr ok 14:48 jcamins Ordinarily I'll be at my e-mail more, but yesterday and the day before were the holiday. 14:48 marcelr kf: then we are way below 100 14:48 jcamins And of course you can always ask about a particular bug report. 14:47 marcelr yeah, i see; there will always be discussion 14:47 jcamins At least, that's how I interpreted your scenario. 14:47 marcelr skipping the enh and features 14:47 jcamins If one of the fields doesn't show up, librarians are going to think it doesn't exist. 14:47 marcelr kf: you should add a filter on signed off 14:47 jcamins marcelr: it's a bug fix because your new feature that is already in Koha is advertised as making all the fields show up. 14:46 kf shoter list - better overview, I hope 14:46 jcamins Yeah, but there's really nothing we can do about that. 14:46 kf (until next week) 14:46 marcelr i would have marked my example as enh :) 14:46 kf I have hope that we will go under 100 in the qa week over easter 14:45 kf because it's the default 14:45 kf also some bugs end as enh 14:45 jcamins I'm trying to reclassify bugs as they're reported... when I notice, anyway. 14:45 jcamins That is true. 14:44 marcelr jcamins: remains that some authors could mark it as enh, and then it could be ignored by qa 14:44 kf all good 14:44 kf it arrived jcamins 14:44 kf right wahanui, excellent idea .) 14:44 jcamins I don't have a fully-functional internet connection. 14:43 wahanui someone else is going to have to look at acquisitions 14:43 marcelr someone else? 14:43 jcamins I was about to paste it and ask someone else to sent it to the list. 14:43 jcamins Ooh, it even sent. 14:42 marcelr jcamins: thx, looking 14:42 jcamins Well, I wrote a response. 14:40 kf oh 14:40 Joubu kf: no, just monday 14:37 kf jcamins: don't ask me - I don't place the holidays :) 14:37 jcamins Since the unit tests are there, I won't revert 5343. 14:36 kf Joubu: what about easter holidays in france? friday and monday too? 14:36 jcamins Kind of late, isn't it? 14:35 kf easter 14:35 kf jcamins: hm not sure, but friday is a holiday here - might be the same in france? 14:32 jcamins The important thing is that now if there's a regression, we'll spot it. 14:32 jcamins I don't really see how you could do it any differently. 14:29 jcamins Joubu: I will take a look ASAP (probably not until tomorrow), and let you know if I have any other ideas. 14:28 Joubu kf, jcamins: I'm not pleased with myself. Unit tests are quite dirty but I didn't find another way to do it... 14:25 marcelr so fast :) 14:25 jcamins marcelr: responding now. 14:25 marcelr jcamins: how about my question on feature freeze? 14:24 marcelr joubu++ 14:24 kf RM happy? :) 14:24 jcamins joubu++ 14:24 kf Joubu++ too :) 14:23 marcelr kf++ 14:13 kf marcelr: thx for taking a look at the encoding stuff - much appreciated 14:12 kf marcelr++ :) 14:12 druthb yep! 14:11 kf hope it's all ok :) 14:11 kf sure thing 14:11 kf oh 14:11 kf tsk 14:11 druthb …but I do have one. Thanks for backing me up on translation stuff while I've been busy with the move! 14:11 druthb who knew? 14:11 druthb wait…i need a reason to plus-plus you? 14:10 kf druthb: what did I do? 13:57 * druthb gets out the velcro 13:55 druthb hm. 13:52 druthb kf++ 13:40 marcelr :) 13:40 huginn marcelr: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. 13:40 marcelr @seen my keys 13:39 huginn rambutan: fred was last seen in #koha 2 years, 9 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Fred> thanks a lot for ur help, bye all! 13:39 rambutan @seen fred 13:39 huginn rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 23 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <jcamins> Good luck. 13:39 rambutan @seen jcamins 13:38 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <bag> oh hey hankbank 13:38 rambutan @seen bag 13:19 marcelr hi koha 13:16 H :) 13:16 H thx for the information 13:16 jcamins Good luck. 13:16 jcamins Okay, time to head into the city. 13:15 H ah 13:15 H not all my records have isbn numbers 13:15 jcamins You should match on biblionumber, in 999$c. 13:14 jcamins Yes, but I recommend against it. 13:14 H yes but can i match on title ? 13:13 jcamins You can just tell Koha to ignore the items and overlay the bibs. 13:13 H import 13:13 H i did my original from marcedit 13:12 H can you take your items back with it ? 13:12 H how does that work ? 13:12 jcamins A lot of people just export all their records and edit them in MarcEdit, too. 13:09 jcamins You can copy that script and create a rename script. 13:09 jcamins Take a look at the script in misc/maintenance/touch_all_biblios.pl. 13:07 H anny tips how we can do it the database admin sitting next to me 13:07 * jcamins is pro-backup. 13:07 jcamins Very! 13:05 H lucky we made a backup :) 13:04 jcamins Just the MARC. 13:04 jcamins Zebra does not use the data in the MySQL biblio table. 13:03 jcamins No. 13:03 H would koha-rebuild-zebra --full koha-oe help ? 13:03 H ... 13:03 jcamins Updating the fields in MySQL will not work. 13:02 jcamins No you cannot. 13:02 H can i not run a full reindex off zebra 13:02 jcamins Or write a script. 13:02 jcamins Use MarcEdit or something like that. 13:02 H it where like 24000 files who had to change 13:01 jcamins You cannot make changes via MySQL. 13:01 jcamins H: yes, restore from your backup and update the MARC. 12:59 H Hy hoha question .... we did update the titel field for some records in mysql .... i did run a sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f but in the results the old titel is still there (the file itself is ok) anny tips 12:45 ambz Great, I'll do that. Thanks :) 12:44 jcamins I have to leave shortly, but what I'd suggest is opening a bug on bugzilla and posting the patch. 12:43 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins 12:43 jcamins ambz: awesome! 12:35 ambz would you like to check it out, if you have a few spare minutes? 12:35 ambz jcamins: btw, I now have a working prototype of the GoogleBooks -->MARC adapter for importing into the Koha catalog. 12:33 alohabot Hi mib_s5rhdo, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 12:27 jcamins Probably. 12:27 kf maybe we should put it somewhere for developers to use? 12:27 kf cool thx jcamins 12:26 jcamins kf: http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/jenkinsdb.sql.bz2 <-- missing a BK item type 12:22 kf I think jenkins has some additoinal data that are not in the sample data maybe? 12:21 kf jcamins: do you know if the database jenkins uses can be downloaded somewhere? 12:18 kf heh 12:17 ambz So your advice fits my use case. 12:17 ambz In our case, we have some rather valuable, hard-to-get issues of some magazines that shouldn't be lent out, now that I think about it. 12:16 jcamins but I can't really imagine how. 12:16 jcamins Depending on your users it may make sense to circulate magazines... 12:16 jcamins Hehe. 12:15 ambz Thanks a lot, I'm going to present all of this newfound information to our librarian and request her to not circulate periodicals. It will make life much easier too. Especially cataloging all of those 100s of magazines will be obviated now :D 12:14 jcamins :) 12:14 * ambz is really glad he consulted jcamins today 12:13 ambz Makes sense, actually. 12:13 jcamins *stored 12:12 jcamins Even academic journals the only reason they generally get barcodes -- in my experience -- is so that they can be store off-site. 12:11 jcamins So the first person to get the magazine prevents every other patron from making use of the library's subscription. 12:10 jcamins And everyone wants to read them at the exact same time. 12:10 jcamins Often not. 12:10 ambz Ouch. 12:10 ambz Magazines don't come back? 12:10 ambz Why would most libraries choose to not circulate periodicals? (I'm thinking if our nascent library should also have a rule to forbid circulation of magazines)? 12:09 jcamins Do you ever get the magazines back when they circulate? 12:08 ambz Oh. I see :) 12:08 jcamins Yes. 12:07 ambz Okay, so if you're not circulating magazines... what exactly are you using the serials module for? Just tracking subscriptions (this month's issue is late/missing/received)? 12:05 jcamins If the items are already in the system, I see no reason why you can't just write "Issue 1 (July 2001)-Issue 200 (Whenever, 20xx)" in the manual history field, same as for serials that don't generate items. 12:05 ambz Right. 12:04 jcamins If the items aren't already in the system, someone is going to have to scan the barcode associated with each one. 12:04 ambz Oh. 12:03 jcamins I wouldn't. I can't recall ever being at a library that did circulate magazines, either. 12:02 jcamins Right. That's the trick. 12:02 ambz How would you check out a magazine that didn't have an item and a barcode? 12:02 jcamins Most libraries I work with don't circulate serials until they've been bound. 12:02 jcamins Just using the serials module. 12:01 ambz how do you manage them then? 12:01 ambz oh? 12:01 jcamins Personally, I don't use items for any serials that are issued more often than once a quarter. 12:00 jcamins *aren't 12:00 jcamins If you're using items and the barcodes are in the system, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to avoid handling each and every one of them. 12:00 ambz If I could just add one item for each of the back issues, it would really help. 11:59 ambz Uh well, it would save someone the effort of manually adding hundreds of items... 11:59 jcamins I guess if you had items. 11:58 jcamins I don't believe you can, but I also don't know why you would. 11:58 ambz But how do I receive issues en masse? 11:58 ambz Right, so I checked "manual history" 11:48 jcamins Then in received issues you can enter in the list of issues you have. 11:47 jcamins If you click that, a bunch of boxes will appear that allow you to enter in a list of all the issues you have received. 11:47 ambz Okay... 11:46 jcamins If you edited the subscription, you'll see a checkbox that lets you choose "Manual history." 11:46 jcamins At least, none that I can see. 11:46 jcamins There is no documentation on manual history. 11:45 jcamins Huh. 11:45 ambz I don't quite follow... 11:45 jcamins What I would do is use manual history. 11:44 ambz Or rather, how much of a bulk-add is possible. 11:44 ambz ? 11:44 ambz Can I bulk-add all the (hundreds of) back issues that the library already has. 11:43 ambz I've created one MARC record to represent the serial and I've added a subscription to represent the influx of new issues. 11:43 ambz jcamins: me too :) 11:43 jcamins I dislike serials cataloging. 11:42 jcamins ambz: go on. 11:42 ambz huh? 11:42 ambz Our library has around 100 issues of a periodical, which is published with a monthly frequency. 11:42 jcamins It's a trap! 11:41 ambz I have a question about cataloging a serial publication. 11:40 ambz *greetings 11:40 ambz greetigns 11:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patrons search improvements 11:20 jcamins kf: yes, bug 9811 needs unit tests. 10:49 kf yep 10:49 drojf those should be the biggest part, right? 10:48 kf but the help files are still missing 10:48 kf and I think OPAC won't change much now 10:48 drojf ok 10:48 kf there are already updated files now 10:48 * drojf is confused 10:48 drojf i thought that should be done in may? 10:47 kf drojf: started with OPAC 3.12 10:42 kf hope it's not too much 10:41 kf ah 10:41 Joubu I was not available last 2 days 10:41 kf I would really like to keep the feature in :) 10:41 kf I was wondering if you might not be around or something and got a bit worried .) 10:40 kf oh awesome 10:40 Joubu kf: about missing unit tests, I will do it today 10:40 kf hi Joubu 10:40 Joubu hello 10:37 drojf kf++ 10:36 drojf almost two 10:36 drojf oh well, that is not true :D 10:36 drojf i have been here for hours 10:36 kf you are never here... how would I know :P 10:36 kf ah 10:36 drojf kf: you could have told me now ;) 10:35 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:35 kf @later tell drojf - translated 3.8 and 3.10 and checked files, hopefully didn't miss any errors 10:33 kf hi francharb` and frido_s :) 09:44 kf hi clrh - thx :) 09:35 clrh Jonathan should be connected at the end of morning cc kf gaetan_B 09:00 rangi looks like aroudn 230k bibliographice records 09:00 kf gaetan_B: yeah - probably a good idea 08:59 rangi gaetan_B: http://libcat.aau.edu.et/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 08:59 gaetan_B kf: as for your question if Paul and Jonathan seem to be too busy to answer you here and the problem indeed is urgent, maybe send them a short email 08:58 drojf good morning #koha 08:58 rangi there are a couple in ethiopia using koha 08:57 rangi yup 08:56 gaetan_B nice to read about it 08:56 gaetan_B i didn't know Adis Ababa was using Koha! 08:56 gaetan_B \o/ 08:56 rangi but so far Aix/Marseille still wins :) 08:56 rangi and Adis Ababa university has 50,000 08:55 rangi I know there is one in Bolivia, that has 65,000 08:55 rangi thanks 08:55 gaetan_B they are pretty big indeed :) 08:55 gaetan_B so yes aix/marseille has to be the biggest we know of 08:55 rangi i just wanted to point out that there are much bigger ones using koha than that 08:54 rangi we had a 27,000 student uni thinking "we are too big" 08:54 rangi yeah, using koha 08:54 gaetan_B (because it's clearly not the biggest university in France) 08:53 gaetan_B rangi: you mean among libraries using Koha i guess ? not in terms of university ? 08:52 kf gaetan_B++ :) 08:51 rangi thank you gaetan_B 08:51 gaetan_B but i'll ask to make sure 08:50 gaetan_B Aix/Marseille is probably the biggest we know 08:48 kf because he will pull it out if we don't have unit tests 08:48 kf and I was hping to catch Joubu or paul_p about the missing unit tests for one of the features jared pushed 08:48 kf gaetan_B: rangi asked earlier: in terms of students/staff is Aix-Marseille Université the biggest one you know of, at 68,000 ? 08:48 gaetan_B hello kf :) need someone from Marseille ? 08:47 kf gaetan_B is - but he is not in marseille 08:46 rangi hmm no one about? 08:27 rangi hi gaetan_B 08:26 gaetan_B hello 08:05 * kf needs Joubu and or paul_p for a question too :) 08:05 rangi in terms of students/staff is Aix-Marseille Université the biggest one you know of, at 68,000 ? 08:04 rangi ok, i need a biblibran 07:41 christophe_c hi rangi;-) 07:41 alex_a rangi: hi ! 07:41 rangi oh and christophe_c too 07:41 rangi hi alex_a and kf 07:39 kf good morning/evening #koha 07:39 * kf waves 07:38 wahanui niihau, alex_a 07:38 alex_a hello 07:37 rangi hi reiveune 07:37 reiveune hello 07:37 rangi hmm im not sure its worth answering that person, since they appear to have not read a single response yet 07:21 christophe_c hello #koha 06:41 dcook Got to run this time though. Good luck! Have a good one, cait. 06:40 dcook Hmm, I never noticed that syspref before 06:31 cait which wizzyrea was here.... 06:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9922 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn 06:31 cait bug 9922 06:31 cait hm I can't reproduce 9922 06:31 cait ah 06:19 dcook Oh it's just for fun. A few nerd friends invited me along, and I thought it would be fun and good to know. 06:17 cait cryptography 06:17 cait just for fun or for a project? 06:17 cait ah 06:15 dcook Touché :p. I should probablyl think about leaving again pretty soon. Movie watching and learning about cryptography :). 06:14 cait it's not my fault you always run out on me :) 06:13 dcook So I'll take what I can get :p 06:13 dcook But I haven't talked to you in a while! 06:13 dcook lol 06:12 cait actually, just ignore me :) 06:12 cait or maybe not, not sure :) 06:11 dcook Hmm, good to know, cait :) 06:11 cait dcook: hm it used to, but not sure how it's set up this year 06:06 dcook Quick question...the Kohacon web form doesn't send out a registration confirmation, does it? 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9922 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn 03:10 wizzyrea Dear QA-ers, bug 9922 is now ready for you 02:25 druthb hi, wizzyrea! :) 02:25 wizzyrea hi druthb :) 02:25 druthb o/ 02:23 wizzyrea mtj were you trying to get me earlier? 01:41 wizzyrea I would hug that cat. 01:41 wizzyrea that is a cute cat 01:40 tcohen wizzyrea this is florencio http://snag.gy/qLMAP.jpg 01:39 huginn tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes 01:39 tcohen @wizzyrea this is florencio http://snag.gy/qLMAP.jpg 01:32 bgkriegel :) 01:32 tcohen hahahah 01:31 wizzyrea but you can't hug every cat 01:31 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4 01:31 wizzyrea I would hug every koha developer 01:30 wizzyrea lol. 01:30 wizzyrea hm. 01:30 * cjh imagines a 'hug a wizzyrea' line at the next kohacon 01:30 wizzyrea which is TOTALLY OK 01:30 wizzyrea I am going to owe a lot of hugs for 3.12 I suspect 01:30 wizzyrea YES, that is definitely in the cards when next we meet. 01:29 tcohen and the marc subfields editor wizzyrea, please give a hug for that one too! 01:26 cjh heh 01:26 * wizzyrea guesses oleonard 01:25 Guest331 I could hug whoever added the floating button on sysprefs. 01:13 tcohen has anyone successfully mocked two libs one depending on the other using Test::Mockmodule ?