Time Nick Message 01:48 vald_tmj Hi there, I'm wondering if it's possible to transfer data from our current systems which are Athena and TESS student information systems? Is it going to be difficult to transfer our student information to your system? 01:49 wizzyrea can you get the data out in CSV? 01:49 wizzyrea from TESS 01:49 wizzyrea or some delimited format? 01:49 * wizzyrea waves to eythian 01:50 eythian_ hi 01:51 vald_tmj I'll do some checking and will get back to you in a few minutes. 01:54 vald_tmj What are our options if we can't? 01:55 rangi if you cant get the data out, then there's no way to get it in :-) 01:56 rangi you have to get the data out in a sane format, or there is no hope 01:56 rangi so no binary mess, but some kind of consistently delimited text format, and then you can get it in 01:57 vald_tmj Yes we can get both systems out in a tab delimitetd. 01:58 wizzyrea athena shouldn't be a big problem 01:59 vald_tmj I have a few more questions, 1) What kind of instruction is there available with Koha regarding the transfer of data? Do you walk us through it, send us step by step instruction? 02:00 vald_tmj 2) Would you like to see the data from our systems we are currently using? 02:00 rangi im sure if you wanted to pay one of the many support companies to walk you throw it step by step one of them would 02:00 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/implementation.html#imp-migration 02:01 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/tools.html#patronimport 02:01 rangi Koha is of course a free and open source software project, and is not owned by any one company/organisation .. so when you say "would you" we need to know who you mean when you say you :-) 02:01 rangi you are currently talking in the project irc channel, so it could be any of a bunch of people :-) 02:01 wizzyrea paid support? 02:01 wahanui please see http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ for a list of paid Koha support vendors. 02:02 wizzyrea :) 02:02 wizzyrea also there's a manual :P 02:03 vald_tmj Ok, what I meant by "you" is if there is information available or someone available to help us if/when we need it. Thanks for the above mentioned information regarding support companies. 02:03 wizzyrea ayep - the answer to "is there someone to help" is definitely "yes" 02:03 wizzyrea :) 02:04 vald_tmj 3) We are a school in China. Are there companies in China that offer Koha support in Asia in Chinese and English? 02:05 rangi yes 02:05 rangi not in mainland china that i know of, but in taiwan 02:05 vald_tmj Can you provide me with more information? 02:05 rangi http://trac.koha-tw.org/ 02:05 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/continent/#asia 02:06 wizzyrea thttp://koha.wikispaces.com/ 02:06 rangi http://koha.wikispaces.com/ even :) 02:06 wizzyrea yes that 02:06 wizzyrea lol 02:06 wizzyrea sorry! 02:07 rangi http://lins.koha-tw.org/cgi-bin/koha/changelanguage.pl?language=zh-Hans-TW 02:07 rangi for a demo 02:08 wizzyrea hm that is doing something odd with redirects 02:08 rangi http://lins.koha-tw.org/ try it just like that then :) 02:08 vald_tmj Do the schools do the translations themselves or is there a Koha representative who translates information? 02:09 rangi http://translate.koha-community.org/ 02:09 wizzyrea users translate koha 02:09 wizzyrea users meaning, parties who care enough to get involved to translate 02:12 tcohen it needs a referrer 02:13 tcohen (that's why 9735 should be pushed actually :-P) 02:14 vald_tmj I'm not sure what you mean by 9735. 02:14 wizzyrea bug 9735 02:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page 02:15 tcohen sorry vald_tmj, was talking to wizzyrea 02:16 vald_tmj Thanks so much - this was quite helpful for now. 02:16 wizzyrea you are welcome :) 02:23 tcohen i learned jquery today, doing this http://i.imgur.com/r6DHZjq.png 02:24 eythian_ yay for that, the old way sucks 02:24 tcohen i promised to fix it in a proper way, but jcamins told me 'for 3.14' 02:24 tcohen heh, so I did it with some jQuery 02:25 tcohen at least our users will enjoy it 02:40 tcohen bye #koha 02:51 jcamins tcohen++ 02:52 wizzyrea oh god, seriously tcohen++ 02:52 wizzyrea the old way was seriously suck. 02:52 wizzyrea seriously serious! 02:52 jcamins I'd be willing to call that a bugfix. 02:52 wizzyrea me too. 02:52 jcamins "No one can figure out what the hell is supposed to go in 'hidden.'" 02:52 wizzyrea and it reeeallly simplifies the help file 02:55 wizzyrea omg love love love that. 02:55 wizzyrea it's just as pretty irl as it is in the screencap. 02:55 * wizzyrea makes a note to actually hug tcohen 02:56 wizzyrea someday. 03:03 jcamins Feel free to sign off. :) 03:03 * jcamins goes to bed. 03:04 wizzyrea and it works too. that's lovely 03:07 eythian_ always a bonus :) 05:09 mtj wizzyrea, about tonite? 05:11 mtj (at 6pm NZ time, shes probably not) 05:13 mtj hmm, a random plack question here… 05:14 mtj is it common for the plackup processes(s) to use some cpu when idle? 05:15 mtj ive got 2 here, that are both using 17% cpu… doing nothing 05:15 mtj i dont remember that being so previously? :/ 07:00 alohabot Hi mib_2m66bl, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 07:00 tzm hi 07:01 tzm hi 07:09 mtj hi tzm 07:10 tzm hi what is the meaning of sort1 and sort 2 fiels in Add Academic Staff patron>Library management 07:16 mtj manual? 07:16 wahanui manual is probably at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 07:16 mtj tzm, have you have a look Koha's manual yet? 07:16 mtj it explains it there, i think 07:18 tzm it says: 07:18 tzm Sort 1 and 2 are used for statistical purposes within your library 07:18 tzm what should i enter in the field 07:19 tzm I dont know for what statistical purposes is it used and where is it used 07:20 mtj hmm, yeah, thats not a great explaination for those fields 07:21 mtj sorry, i dont know what to input into sort 1 and 2 fields... 07:21 mtj ...anyone else know? 07:22 mtj i think you can add anything you want to them, basically 07:22 rangi they are optional you cna use them for statistical purposes, put things in them that you might want to report on later 07:22 mtj yes, thats the one! :) 07:22 tzm any example? 07:22 christophe_c hello #koha 07:22 mtj if you cant think of anything important to add to those fields, then just ignore them :) 07:23 tzm ok thank u all 07:23 mtj tzm, 'FAT_PERSON' or 'SKINNY_PERSON' perhaps… ? 07:23 mtj no, sorry - just kidding! :p 07:24 tzm :) 07:24 mtj then you could run a report on your patrons - to see how many fat or skinny customers you have :) 07:25 mtj but hey… you get the idea tzm 07:26 tzm yes i get the idea 07:26 tzm it can be used for taking reports 07:27 tzm but anywhere in koha is there any statistical analysis, where as it claims can be used 07:27 mtj yes, if you want to track some important info about your patrons, but have nowhere to track that info…. 07:27 mtj … use sort1 and sort2 07:28 tzm ok gr8 07:28 tzm i have aother doubt 07:29 tzm Again in Add Academic Staff patron - In Additional attributes and identifiers 07:30 tzm what does UNT (UNIT) mean? 07:34 tzm does it just mean in which UNIT the patron has designation DESIGNATION 07:34 rangi what version of koha are you using? 07:34 tzm out for lunch.. 07:34 tzm koha 3.0.2 07:35 tzm 3.02.06.000 07:35 mtj tzm, woah, thats very old 07:36 tzm i cant upgrade as i have made so many changes ,difficulkt to track, where 07:36 tzm any method to track changed files? 07:36 tzm only 07:37 tzm and upgrade later 07:37 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 07:40 tzm i am continuing with my current version 07:40 tzm because iam afraid i will loose the changes i have made to the code. 07:41 tzm loggin out. 07:41 tzm c u after lunch 07:43 cjh you could clone the git repo, check out v3.02.00, copy over your files into the tree, and the git status would tell you what files have changed. 07:44 rangi there are security problems with 3.2.6 07:45 tzm oh 07:45 tzm i am running koha in debian linux 6 07:45 rangi ok 07:46 reiveune hello 07:46 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:46 rangi that doesnt change that fact :) 07:47 tzm from which directory should i copy my koha files to the tree<cjh> 07:47 rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-3-2-11/ 07:50 tzm is it the latest stable version that u suggest, rangi 07:51 rangi no im just showing the security problem 3.2.11 is still very old 07:51 rangi you should at least fix that problem in your 3.2.6 07:53 cjh tzm: that depends where and how koha is installed, it will probably be a case of taking each directory withing /usr/share/koha/ and cping it over to the appropriate place within the git tree. 07:55 francharb good morning #koha 07:56 tzm ok <cjh>: 07:57 cjh tzm: im not sure how much koha has changed since 3.2.x, but in current master compared to a package install we have: http://pastebin.com/wRWqUrd3 not sure how helpful that is. 08:00 tzm but i deviated from my qn :<tzm>: what does UNT (UNIT) mean? <tzm>: does it just mean in which UNIT the patron has designation DESIGNATION 08:08 mtj tzm, afaik that has been removed from Koha ^^ 08:10 mtj tzn, not many people here are running a Koha version that old… so, not many people can help you 08:16 tzm ok 08:22 gaetan_B hello 08:25 tzm bye 4 now tk care all, 08:33 mtj wooh, bug 7241 pushed 08:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number 08:33 mtj asaurat++ 08:33 sophie_m \o/ 08:34 asaurat aaaah :) 08:34 asaurat thx 12:42 oleonard Hi #koha 12:58 jcamins oleonard: how do we get the datatables controls all on the bottom? 12:58 jcamins I just noticed that the QoTD editor has a different set of controls. 12:58 oleonard I don't know off the top of my head, I'd have to check the docs. 12:58 oleonard The QoTD has tons of customizations on it 12:59 jcamins sPaginationType: 'four_button' 13:00 oleonard That changes the kind of pagination buttons, but not where they appear 13:00 jcamins Oh. 13:01 jcamins Right. 13:01 jcamins 'sDom': 't<"bottom pager"ilpf>' <-- maybe 13:01 oleonard Yes 13:01 tcohen oleonard: will marc_subfield_structure.tt get fancy as the marc editor? 13:02 oleonard jcamins: where "t" means "the table is here" (relative to the other elements in that string) 13:02 oleonard tcohen: I don't know what you mean by that 13:03 samuel hi everybody 13:03 tcohen heh, on the marc editor the "save" button + bar is available at the bottom of the page 13:04 samuel short question:as it's the first time for me to do that and, in waiting to have a git install, how can i apply a patch? 13:06 oleonard samuel: You have a git installation for testing, and you want to apply a patch? 13:07 samuel not for the moment, but, manually, i have to do this "patch < /path/to/file "? 13:08 jcamins samuel: no. You use git am -i /path/to/file 13:08 samuel ok 13:09 jcamins -i3 13:09 jcamins Always a good idea to do a three-way merge. 13:11 oleonard Hi cait 13:16 oleonard tcohen: You're asking if marc_subfield_structure.tt can get the floating toolbar too? 13:16 tcohen ahhh, that should've been the wording 13:16 tcohen yes 13:17 oleonard tcohen: I don't mind if you want to file an enhancement bug and assign it to me 14:00 nengard fyi all - my focus this week is getting the help files done bug 9850 has the patches so far 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 critical, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 14:01 alaquerre Hi all. Question for you. We currently have big problem using inventory system. Mainly because user do not nessary use the "perfect LCC" or the "perfect dewee". Example : In canada, they put "C" in front of the canadian document and we end up having all the "C" at the same place which is wrong. 14:01 alaquerre I am currently imagining another column in Koha where the user would be able to "place" the document at the right place and overright the default cn_sort so we can get: "C180 1234 780", "180 1234 780-1","c180 1234 781" etc. What do you think of the idea ? 14:02 jcamins nengard++ 14:03 nengard :) 14:03 jcamins alaquerre: my initial instinct is that what you want can probably be accomplished using location and collection codes in addition to call numbers. 14:05 jcamins (and part numbers) 14:05 alaquerre jcamins : My real idea : I would like that user from the library literally "ran" in shelf by just scanning codebar and if a document is misplaced, missing having a loud BEEP :-) To do that, I need a "perfect" sort... 14:06 jcamins That would be very cool. 14:07 alaquerre jcamins : currently the process of printing a document is hard for my community... most of them did not do any inventory for the last 2 years... 14:08 jcamins I think probably the way to do it would be to make cn_sort editable within certain parameters. 14:08 jcamins That would almost certainly have to be a local modification, though, because the system would have to know all your shelflisting peculiarities. 14:11 alaquerre I'll keep thinking about it. ( the sorting) but what do you think of of module that will alert the user when he scan a "wrong document" ? 14:11 jcamins I think it would be incredibly useful, and incredibly difficult. 14:13 alaquerre Why's that ? :-) Let's say the sort is perfect... I was thinking reusing the "shelf browser" in opac and display the document while the user scan them. ( just gray out the lost, borrow one etc. ) 14:13 alaquerre Am I missing something ? 14:15 jcamins Sadly, I think you are. If something is missing, what happens? 14:15 jcamins So all the books are in the right order, but one book is missing. 14:15 alaquerre Just alert the user that is currently doing the inventory. 14:16 jcamins Right, but what happens to the book that was just scanned? 14:16 jcamins It gets marked as seen, and the inventory tool jumps ahead to that book? 14:16 alaquerre Adding automatically a note to the items "Item missing while inventory" or somgthing like that. 14:16 alaquerre Yes 14:17 alaquerre So the logic is to find "hole" and for those "hole" adding something for later work... 14:17 jcamins Okay, what if one book is misshelved one shelf above where it belongs, so there are forty books that should have been scanned first? 14:18 jcamins If you skip ahead when books are missing, won't those forty books get marked as missing? 14:18 alaquerre I would act only with the previous 14:18 jcamins Here's the scenario I'm thinking of. We have books A-Z. 14:18 alaquerre You will know that the misshelfved book is at the wrong place... 14:18 jcamins Actually, A-H. 14:19 jcamins In scenario 1, they're shelved: A B C D E F G H 14:19 jcamins Everything is good. 14:19 jcamins In scenario 2, they're shelved: A C D E F G H 14:19 jcamins Book B is missing, but that's okay, because we've marked it. 14:19 jcamins In scenario 3, they're shelved: A H B C D E F G 14:20 jcamins When you scan in book H, the computer doesn't know whether the order is A H B or A H I 14:20 jcamins And that's why I think it would be very difficult. 14:21 alaquerre We will have "Alert : Scan should be B, H is at the wrong place." 14:21 alaquerre THen let the user do he's job to replace it. 14:22 alaquerre Maybe we should always let the user do the proper "action"... Mark as lost or whatever and force the user to skip it... 14:23 alaquerre "Something wrong - What you want to do ?" with couple of generic action. We will end up forcing the full review A- H 14:24 jcamins That could work. 14:25 alaquerre Let me keep thinking about it :-) THanks for your input always appreciate it! 14:38 jcamins Okay... silly question... where do I set the statistical patron? 14:39 jcamins I could've sworn there was a syspref something like "StatisticalPatron," but apparently not. 14:39 oleonard A statistical patron category? 14:40 jcamins oleonard: right, but don't I have to make a statistical patron default? 14:40 oleonard No idea 14:40 jcamins That makes two of us. 14:44 druthb_mib o/ 14:48 oleonard Hey druthb_mib 14:50 * druthb_mib grins at oleonard. 14:51 druthb_mib How are ya? 14:51 oleonard I'm good. 14:52 druthb_mib :) 14:54 rambutan @seen jcammins 14:54 huginn rambutan: I have not seen jcammins. 14:54 rambutan @seen jcamins 14:54 huginn rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 13 minutes and 53 seconds ago: <jcamins> That makes two of us. 14:55 oleonard rambutan always @seens first and asks questions later ;) 14:56 * druthb_mib chuckles. 14:56 druthb_mib @quote random 14:56 huginn druthb_mib: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009) 14:56 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 14:57 rambutan much better, methinks, than asking questions and @seens later ?? 14:57 oleonard I ask questions first and @later later :) 14:59 oleonard Should we close as WONTFIX bugs which are specific to 3.4.x? 15:14 gmcharlt oleonard: seems reasonable (with comment saying *why* a bug was set to WONTFIX) 15:30 bag morning 15:30 wahanui morning is a state of cat 15:31 * druthb_mib waves at bag 15:31 bag hey Ruth 15:39 rambutan wahanui: wake up buddy! Do tell me about bug 9889 15:39 wahanui rambutan: excuse me? 15:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9889 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED INVALID, Cannot get any results in Authority searches 15:39 rambutan oh, hunnin, sorry 15:40 rambutan since our upgrade to 3.10, we have been unable to search authorities. Any suggestions? 15:58 oleonard Some bugs we visit every year if only to say, "You're still an awesome bug! We haven't forgotten you!" 15:59 * cait waves 16:04 druthb_mib :D :D 16:05 cait hi melia and druthb_ 16:05 melia hello cait 16:05 druthb_mib hi, melia. :) 16:07 melia hi druthb_mib! 16:15 reiveune bye 16:54 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:13 oleonard Is there a batch biblio export command line script which has more features than the staff client tool? 17:14 cait hm 17:14 cait haven't run into something like that yet 17:15 cait have you checked the misc etc. ? 17:18 oleonard Yeah, nothing jumped out at me 17:18 cait checking right now too, don't see anything 17:18 oleonard Oh well, no big deal. 17:30 jcamins rambutan: did you reindex? 17:30 rambutan jsut finished 17:30 cait hi jcamins 17:59 gaetan_B bye ! 18:02 jcamins cait++ 18:02 druthb_mib cait++ 18:04 oleonard Did I miss something? Or is it just that time of day that we regularly acknowledge that cait is awesome? 18:04 jcamins The latter. 18:04 * cait hides 18:04 druthb_mib yuss. 1400EasternUS/1300Central. 18:05 * druthb_mib drags cait out of hiding. 18:05 cait hmpf? 18:07 cait I just tested something for jcamins and broke it 18:08 jcamins And cait is generally awesome and deserves karma. 18:08 mtompset Which is worse, you breaking it, or some newbie user of Koha? 18:08 mtompset Testing is always good. 18:08 druthb_mib "generally awesome?" Nay. "Awesomely awesome!" 18:09 jcamins It's not Koha in this case, but testing is definitely good. 18:09 mtompset But the same logic applies, have the tester bust it, or a client who may or may not be able to fix it. 18:10 mtompset cait++ # just because you test things. :) 18:10 cait jcamins++ for building things i can break ;) 18:12 druthb_mib :) 18:20 mtompset BTW, greetings, cait, tcohen, jcamins, druthb_mib, and oleonard in completely random order. :) 18:20 druthb_mib hi, mtompset! :) 18:20 tcohen hi mtompset 18:20 tcohen the CentOS - OpenSuSE lover 18:21 tcohen heh 18:21 mtompset Oh please! 18:21 tcohen just kidding, just kodding 18:21 mtompset Having jumped back and forth between using yum and apt-get... I initially thought I preferred yum, but apt-get seems more right. 18:22 mtompset And don't get me started on the wrongness of zypper. 18:22 mtompset Why can't everyone just agree on a single packaging method? It would make life easier for the children. :) 18:27 tcohen LSB for all 18:27 tcohen ah,no, they chose RPM 18:28 * druthb_mib heads to a meeting. 18:36 cait marcelr++ 18:36 cait oleonard++ 18:41 rambutan idle question: is there no man page for rebuild_zebra? it's ungoogleable 18:41 cait ? 18:41 tcohen rebuild_zebra.pl --help 18:41 cait ^^ what tcohen said :) 18:42 rambutan ah, ic, thanks. (for some of us old unixers man is the go-to command) 18:43 cait hi another_peter :) 18:44 cait you are up early 18:44 another_peter hi cait 18:44 another_peter it is a strategy to leave the house and run to a cafe before the three children begin the daily bedlam 18:45 another_peter I also am looking for guidance about what is the desirable way of failing noisily in the context of the opac privacy module. 18:45 another_peter does this mean an on-screen error block, or an HTTP 500, or a Carp? 18:46 another_peter this is for the case where the administrator has not set a proper anonymous user 18:46 cait not sure what you want to do - can you explain a bit more? 18:46 jcamins On-screen error block. 18:46 * another_peter goes in search of the bugzilla 18:46 cait ah right 18:46 * jcamins leaves to catch the bus. 18:46 cait another_peter: which bug number is that? 18:46 cait I seem to remember I filed something about that sometime... hm. 18:47 another_peter big 6506 18:47 another_peter err, bug 6506 18:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, NEW , deleting patron history missing errors 18:47 another_peter jcamins: thanks. the reason i thought it might be otherwise is that this is something the administrator has to set, not the user. 18:47 another_peter (ah, he has gone already.) 18:48 rambutan @seen eveal 18:48 huginn rambutan: I have not seen eveal. 18:48 cait yeah, maybe we should phrase the error so that the user is encouraged to contact the library? 18:48 oleonard @seen edveal 18:48 huginn oleonard: edveal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <edveal> Yes sorry 18:49 oleonard I guess huginn doesn't see you if you don't talk 18:49 another_peter which seems like something that we might do automatically for 500 errors... 18:49 oleonard Oh my god, huginn is a Tyrannosaurus! 18:50 cait oleonard: ? 18:50 oleonard Oh no that was movement, not sound. Jurassic Park reference. 18:51 mtompset Still an okay attempt. :P 18:52 cait oh 18:52 cait sorry for missing it :) 18:53 another_peter cait: "The deletion of your reading history failed, because the system's privacy module is configured incorrectly. Please notify a librarian of this error." 18:53 cait hm maybe a bit nicer? :) 18:53 cait I am not a native speaker tho :) 18:54 another_peter it is very early in the morning to be nice. 18:54 cait The deletion for your reading history failed, because there is a problem with the configuration of this feature. Please help to fix it and inform your library about this error? 18:55 another_peter OK, going with: "The deletion for your reading history failed, because there is a problem with the configuration of this feature. Please help to fix the system by informing your library of this error." 18:55 another_peter which is essentially your sentence nativespeakerised 18:55 cait hehe :) 18:56 cait wasn't too far off.. 18:57 another_peter quite so. now, how about the case that they have their history set to "never keep", and the error occurs during a return? 18:57 cait hm 18:57 cait difficult 18:57 cait you can't expect circ staff to be able to fix it 18:57 oleonard It's a good thing no one here wants to use the autoMemberNum preference because our db is so full of junk card numbers it would return ridiculous results 18:57 cait there is a section for problems on the about page 18:58 cait maybe we shoudl also note those problems there 18:58 cait another_peter: can't check master right now myself... my database think sit's 3.0.6 something :) 18:58 cait but maybe take a look at the tabs on the about page 19:01 another_peter cait: should the fact that history is not deleted on return be fixed on the same bug, or a different bug, than the inability for a user to delete their history backlog? 19:01 cait maybe make it 2 to ease testing 19:03 cait and thank you for working on this :) 19:04 another_peter If I fix another 10 bugs, I am thinking of asking Catalyst for a promotion from project manager from junior developer :) 19:05 another_peter then i would be able to fix koha in my work time :) 19:06 rambutan that would be a promotion? 19:07 * druthb_mib squees happily 19:09 cait another_peter: I like fixing bugs too :) all the other things tend to get in the way tho 19:11 cait anitsirk++ btw too 19:11 cait morning kathryn :) 19:11 kathryn hiya cait 19:11 cait starting work early :) 19:12 kathryn I should really make gnome open automatically :) 19:23 another_peter IMHO the bugzilla being not googleable seems retrograde. i assume this is to reduce load and traffic costs? 19:24 oleonard another_peter: Because you can't find what you're looking for through Bugzilla's search? 19:24 cait not sure it's intentional but maybe reducing load 19:24 cait rangi is running that 19:25 oleonard ...and he does it out of the goodness of his heart 19:25 cait :) 19:25 another_peter oleonard: mostly because i think that people should be able to google for koha related issues and find the bugzilla entry 19:26 rangi yeah its running on my linode, if someone wants to give me more money, ill up the ram on it and let google see it again :-) 19:27 rangi last time i let it, it pounded the poor thing to death 19:27 cait poor bugzilla 19:27 cait morning rangi 19:27 rangi morning 19:28 rangi for 512MB its doing pertty good, runs the dashboard, bugzilla and a couple of bots 19:28 rangi but yeah its tuned very tightly and swap death is just a google index away :) 19:28 another_peter rangi: please advise what you need, i'll try and arrange it 19:28 cait I never missed google searching it 19:29 rangi i can see that it would be useful 19:29 rangi https://www.linode.com/ im on the linode 512 plan 19:30 another_peter rangi: obviously if you wanted, catalyst could host it instead 19:30 rangi (its my one server (well one of them)) 19:30 rangi yep 19:31 rangi ill have a chat with don, we try to spread stuff around lots, not hosted by any one organisation/person .. after what happened last time 19:32 another_peter perhaps phrase like this then - 19:32 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 19:32 another_peter i see $20/month in value in increasing the server size, so catalyst would be happy to contribute that towards your personal linode hosting costs (assuming moving from the 512 to the 1024 will do it) 19:32 jeff i was pestering jcamins earlier via msg with something along these lines, but when people here think "koha API" or more generally "points at which koha integrates with other things", I've got the following things in a list: SIP2, ILS-DI, SRU/Z39.50, OAI-PMH... should I be looking at other things? 19:33 rangi another_peter: oh good idea 19:33 jeff i suppose some things may simply scrape the koha web interface, too. 19:33 rangi yep 19:33 rangi jeff: the svc/ dir 19:33 rangi in both the opac and intranet 19:34 rangi thats how marcedit talks to koha (via svc/ on the staff side) 19:34 jeff context: i'm thinking on (in advance of talking on) APIs and integration points for Evergreen and seeking additional examples and points of future collaboration with Koha 19:34 rangi and in opac/svc/ there is report which will give you json output of any report you write in koha, and mark as public 19:34 jeff rangi: thanks! i had forgotten about the marcedit integration! 19:35 rambutan @seen edveal 19:35 huginn rambutan: edveal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <edveal> Yes sorry 19:35 jeff also useful. i didn't know about that bit. 19:35 jeff rangi++ 19:35 rangi its only since 3.10.x 19:35 cait it's also used for integrating that worlcat software... 19:35 rangi ahh yeah, the staff svc 19:35 cait I think 19:35 rangi and oclc connexion 19:35 cait right that one :) 19:36 jeff rangi: do you have any real-world examples of how people are using the report-as-json bit? it seems incredibly useful and multi-purpose. library dashboard immediately comes to mind. 19:36 rangi exactly 19:36 rangi jeff: also, list of new books 19:36 jeff new books, popular books, on-order... yep! 19:36 rangi you can now get that as json, and display on your OPAC however you want 19:37 edveal hey rambutan what's up? 19:38 rangi jeff: or make a nice html5/firefoxOS app :) 19:38 cait rangi: pm? :) 19:38 jeff is anyone doing NCIP work with Koha (especially NCIP DCB3 for integration with regional resource sharing ILL systems)? 19:38 rangi not really jeff, not that i know off 19:39 bag rambutan: you around? 19:39 rangi there was opennicp back in the day, but things (we wont go into it ;)) killed that project 19:39 jeff i can try and ask the vendor, but is anyone here aware of how boopsie (the mobile app vendor) integrates with koha? screen scraping, other? 19:39 edveal bag rambutan was just looking for me. But he is not responding right now. 19:39 rangi jeff: dollars for donuts its screen scraping 19:40 rangi but im not 100% on that 19:40 tcohen rangi, what are the specs of the bz server? 19:41 bag cool thanks edveal - I sent him a private message too :P 19:41 jeff well, openncip never spoke ncip, afaik. now it's called SIPServer, talks SIP2, and is begging to be joined with its long lost cousin C4::SIP ;-) 19:41 cait heya bag *wave* 19:41 rangi https://www.linode.com/ <-- tcohen linode 512, another_peter's idea is good i can bump it up to the 1gb and it will be perfect 19:42 bag Hey Cait - how you doing… late there isn't it? 19:42 cait not that late yet - 8:30 pm 19:42 bag oh right :P time zone fail by me 19:42 cait fighting off a cold, but looks like I am winning 19:42 bag oh noes you got a cold? 19:42 bag I guess I'd trade what I had for that :) 19:42 cait guess it was my turn - seems everyone got one :) 19:43 cait you yeah - I totally prefer the cold too 19:43 bag HA 19:43 bag so true 19:50 another_peter my technical plan for fixing bug 6506 is now on there as a comment - this is my first perl change to koha, so I may not be understanding the normal approach, so feel free to critique 19:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, NEW , deleting patron history missing errors 20:00 * rangi will have a look later, gotta go get ready for a presentation now 20:01 cait good luck rangi 20:22 oleonard wizzyrea is here, must be time for me to go home! 20:22 wizzyrea nooo! 20:22 oleonard It's nothing personal :) 20:23 wizzyrea hehehe 20:23 oleonard Bye! 20:23 wizzyrea have a lovely evening 20:23 wizzyrea later :) 20:23 cait hi wizzyrea 20:23 cait :) 20:23 wizzyrea hello hello 20:23 druthb_mib hi, wizzyrea ! :) 20:23 wizzyrea heya 20:24 * cait is testing bu g9745 20:24 cait bug 9745 20:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382 20:29 cait morning eythian 20:30 eythian_ hi 20:30 wahanui hi, eythian_ 20:31 wizzyrea cait - thanks :) 20:31 cait thank you :) 20:37 jcamins cait: where are the slides you put together on Koha? 20:37 jcamins You had a nice slide on APIs supported by Koha. 20:37 cait oh 20:37 cait sec 20:38 cait [off] http://swop.bsz-bw.de/volltexte/2013/1072/ 20:39 jcamins jeff: ^^ 20:41 jeff cait++ 20:41 jeff jcamins++ 20:41 jeff thanks :-) 20:42 cait missing json tho 20:42 jcamins cait: oh, yeah. 20:42 cait well i told them i probably forgot some :) 20:42 jcamins Yeah, and the report web server offers JSON. 20:42 jeff okay, i missed ldap/cas/persona. 20:43 * druthb_mib enjoys cait's slides, pumping a few words and phrases at Google Translate. 20:44 cait that was my presentation for german library conference 2 weeks ago 20:45 jeff "RESTful API" -- is this referencing how the staff web interface operates, or should i look elsewhere? 20:45 jeff re-phrased, if i wanted to look at the code for said RESTful API, which perl module would I examine. :-) 20:45 jcamins That's the svc API. 20:45 cait i was referring to the svc thing yes 20:45 * druthb_mib might swipe some bits of that for her YAPC preso, if you don't mind, cait. 20:45 jeff got it. 20:46 jcamins /svc and /opac/svc 20:46 jeff and the svc api supports a specific subset of koha functionality, with a priority on specific needs 20:47 jeff would that be accurate? 20:47 jcamins Yes. 20:47 jcamins Cataloging, authentication, and reports, basically. 20:47 cait oh authentication too? 20:47 cait I will have to take a look at that then :) 20:47 jcamins cait: yeah, rangi did that. 20:47 jcamins I think. 20:47 cait yeah, now that you mention it... 20:48 cait I was wondering, when you use koha with ldap 20:48 jeff also, are koha libs using ezproxy via any authentication method other than SIP2, or mostly just doing ezproxy <-> koha via SIP2? 20:48 cait will any of the api we have for authentication take that into account? 20:48 cait authenticate against ldap first I mean before trying local? if you don't have passwords in Koha? 20:48 jeff another followup -- is there any versioning on the APIs, or are they just stable by happenstance? 20:49 cait I think sip2 has probably been around longest so most widely used? 20:50 cait would be my guess, also probably well supported by lots of applications 20:51 * druthb_mib heads home 21:42 bag @later tell hankbank http://www.opinionatedaboutdining.com/2013/top100us-6.html 21:42 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 21:51 cait bag: now I am hungry :) 21:51 bag heh 21:51 bag Henry lives there 21:51 bag and I was wondering if he's been - but it's probably way too expensive 21:52 cait yeah, looks expensive :) 22:12 cait @later tell wizzyrea - could you maybe take a look at 8918? 22:12 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 22:19 bag oh hey hankbank 22:37 tcohen cait: should I mark 906 as "In discussion"? 22:37 cait bug 906 22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ISBN Check 22:38 cait hm difficult one 22:38 cait maybe - but try to ask some people to take a look 22:38 tcohen yeap, the main problem is the workflow for invalid ISBN 22:38 cait the in discussion status is a bit dangerious 22:39 tcohen I added a syspref controlling whether to check or not, and (as other checks) is validated on save action 22:40 tcohen paul argues that it should be done onLeave, and provide a button for moving the invalid ISBN to $z (which is suggested in the error message right now) 22:42 tcohen i don't favour any workflow btw 22:42 cait I think i like the idea of a plugin a little bit better, but that has other consequences too 22:43 cait like it would be good to add it to the default frameworks 22:43 cait but it would keep the code a bit more modular i guess 22:43 cait but best would maybe be a catalogers opinion 22:44 tcohen if we have an expected workflow defined, any of the approaches its easy to implement 22:46 cait tcohen: it's kinda late here - maybe put in discussion and try asking around on irc for opinions? 22:47 tcohen np, this bug can wait anyway 22:48 cait I can try to take a look too - but maybe not tonight :) 22:50 bgkriegel tcohen: an email to koha-devel? 22:50 tcohen i'm just typing it :-D 22:50 tcohen hi bgkriegel 22:50 bgkriegel hi tcohen 22:50 bgkriegel :) 22:51 cait hope you get some answers :) 22:56 cait night :) 23:28 melia I have a strange problem on a 3.8.8 system where I can't edit existing items. I go to edit item, I make some changes, click save changes. but my changes don't save, and I can't figure out why. 23:28 melia I know editing items works fine on other 3.8.8 systems, and I have compared sys prefs and frameworks, but everything looks pretty much the same. 23:29 melia anybody have any ideas for other things I should check? 23:33 bgkriegel Have you looked at logs? 23:34 melia no, but I will now! :)