Time Nick Message 00:05 eythian http://lwn.net/Articles/540368/ <-- cjh 00:07 cjh linux in space, awesome. 00:10 wizzyrea When the build fails, it should "fail loudly" with a "monitor that starts flashing red" and email to everyone on the team. When that happens, you should "respond immediately" to fix the problem. In his team, they have a full-size Justin Bieber cutout that gets placed facing the team member who broke the build. They found that "100% of software engineers don't like Justin Bieber", and will work quickly to fix the build problem. 00:19 jcamins lol 00:23 cjh eythian: fantastic article, thanks 00:23 eythian thought you'd like it 00:23 cjh >"Automate process processes", he said. Things like coding standards, static analysis, spaces vs. tabs, or detecting the use of Emacs should be done automatically. 00:31 jcamins "Detecting the use of emacs" -- definitely a problem. 01:22 eythian jcamins: would doing a build from master be akin to a 3.12-beta? 01:35 jcamins Yes. 01:35 jcamins Exactly the same. 01:36 eythian excellent. Just built 3.8.11, doing the other two now. 01:38 eythian also going to prepare the patches for 3.12/3.13, too. 01:40 jcamins Awesome, thanks! 02:01 jcamins Oh, hey- are you planning on updating the Debian changelog with the stable releases? 02:02 eythian jcamins: yeah, that'll be in the patch 02:02 eythian not all of them, I'll just grab it at where 3.10 is up to now 02:15 jcamins Right. 02:15 jcamins That's what I had in mind. 02:15 jcamins Seems like it would be good for continuity, when it moves to squeeze. 02:16 eythian yeah 03:17 eythian_ jcamins: bug 9918 is ready for you 03:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9918 major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Passed QA , Packaging updates for 3.12 04:49 rangi @later tell jcamins bug 9919 needs to be fast tracked, install is currently busted 04:49 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 04:49 rangi bug 9919 04:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9919 blocker, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Needs Signoff , Syntax error in kohastructure.sql 04:57 cjh :( 04:57 cjh oh wow, awesome work by peter 06:43 cait good morning #koha 06:47 cjh good evening cait :) 06:47 cait hi cjh :) 06:48 cait looks like it was a busy day at catalyst? :) 07:47 rangi drojf++ 07:48 cjh cait: sorry wandered off to make dinner :) 07:49 cait drojf++ indeed 07:49 cait cjh: no problem :) 07:49 * cait wanders off to work now :) 07:52 alohabot Hi mib_6pv427, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 07:53 mib_6pv427 how to upload and access e books in koha? 07:56 marcelr hi #koha 07:57 mib_6pv427 hello 07:57 wahanui hola, mib_6pv427 07:58 sophie_m hello #koha 07:58 mib_6pv427 can u solve my query: hw do we upload and access e books in koha? 08:04 matts hi ! 08:04 mib_6pv427 hi 08:10 cjh mib_6pv427: you can place a link to digital resources in the 856 marc field, see https://www.evernote.com/shard/s32/sh/ac2b910f-e915-4b81-a2cb-b90ea97b4a57/301a5caa13b65254ee1fdec38f4c8709 08:11 cjh mib_6pv427: if they arent currently online you could place them somewhere on your server and then link to them 08:12 mib_6pv427 thnx, but i hv it in pdf format 08:13 cjh mib_6pv427: that is fine, the marc 856 field just takes a link, in the above example I posted they link to pdfs. 08:14 mib_6pv427 okkkkkkk thank u so much 08:17 cjh mib_6pv427: you're welcome, hope that is enough information for you. Good luck :) 08:17 mib_6pv427 :) 08:18 clrh bonjour 08:18 wahanui bonjour, clrh 08:23 gaetan_B hello 08:40 christophe_c hello #koha 10:25 * kf waves 11:24 khall mornin paul_p and all! 11:25 paul_p hi khall ! safe back home ? 11:25 khall indeed! 11:26 khall Marseille was great, but there's no place like home ; ) 11:28 tcohen hi khall, paul_p 11:28 khall mornin tchoen! 11:29 * kf waves at khall 11:29 khall mornin kf! 11:30 kf glad to hear you are back home :) 11:30 * khall and kf get to sit next to each other in irc 11:30 khall kf, are you home yet? 11:30 kf :) 11:30 kf yep, arrived saturday - around 7pm 11:30 kf not too bad 11:31 kf still trying to decide what I missed more - my shower or my bed :) 11:31 khall that's good to hear/read 11:31 khall heh 11:31 khall I definitely missed both 11:31 kf yep 11:31 * kf tries hard not to mention knife. 11:32 khall kf didn't try hard enough! : )= 11:32 kf sorry? ;) 11:32 kf we should consider a holiday apartment next time - magnuse invited us friday night and it was wonderful 11:32 kf the kitchen was bigger than mine at home 11:33 khall that's not a bad idea! 11:34 kf khall: what are you working on today? 11:34 * kf misses to have you all around 11:34 * khall is going to start carrying a giant crocodile-dundee sized bowie knife which he will then use to each hsi meals 11:34 kf lol 11:35 khall I'm going to start by wading through emails, then I thought I might look at what bugs we have outstanding that need squashed 11:35 kf ah, similar here 11:35 kf I got 1150 mails... 11:36 khall wow, and I thought I had it bad with 274 11:36 kf win! :( 11:37 kf nah, it's not so bad, but have to be careful when deleting my way through the pile :) 11:37 khall indeed 11:37 khall though if you delete everything, I'm sure the important ones will get re-emailed, right ; ) 11:38 kf heh 11:38 kf better not try that approach 11:38 kf @wunder Konstanz 11:38 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.2°C (12:35 PM CET on March 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 11:39 khall When I left it was around around 10c and when I came back there was a foot of snow on the ground 11:41 kf ew 11:41 kf bit of snow here too 11:42 khall we get tons of snow because we are 40 miles away from the great lakes in the "snow belt" 11:43 khall https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Meadville,+PA&hl=en&ll=42.130821,-80.69458&spn=3.474754,7.13562&sll=41.117935,-77.604698&sspn=7.058153,14.27124&oq=Meadville&t=h&hnear=Meadville,+Crawford,+Pennsylvania&z=8 11:44 kf makes sense 11:44 kf you got the bigger lake... but ours is nice too 11:44 kf https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Meadville,+PA&hl=en&ll=42.130821,-80.69458&spn=3.474754,7.13562&sll=41.117935,-77.604698&sspn=7.058153,14.27124&oq=Meadville&t=h&hnear=Meadville,+Crawford,+Pennsylvania&z=8 11:45 khall the wind comes out of the north-west, crosses the lake where it picks up humidity, and dumps it all on us as snow 11:46 * khall didn't realize wikipedia has an article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbelt 11:48 khall kf, your area looks pretty nice, it's almost a peninsula 11:48 kf it IS a nice area - you should all visit :) 11:49 kf hm but I messed up the link. oups 11:49 kf https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=47.67795,9.173238&spn=0.182153,0.43602&t=h&z=12&layer=t 11:49 khall that would be great! You should put in a bid for KohaCon! 11:50 kf :) 12:04 nengard has anyone heard of the holds queue pulling the home library instead of the current location in 3.10.3? 12:10 kf nengard: I think there is a bug 12:11 kf I think Liz repoted something ... 12:12 kf bug 9591 12:12 wahanui somebody said bug 9591 was a weird one 12:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 12:12 kf bug 9906 12:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9906 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds Return Policy and Local Hold Item Types not working as expected 12:15 kf hm not sure where she put the comment i was thinking about 12:16 nengard wizzyrea wake up!! :) we need you :) 12:16 nengard hehe 12:16 kf i rmember it said she woudl report a new bug 12:21 kf nengard: perhaps I dreamed it 12:21 nengard heh 12:21 kf can't find it at least:( 12:21 nengard i'll see if i can confirm a problem before i report anything 12:22 nengard right now it's based on an email 12:22 nengard no testing on my part 12:46 oleonard Hi #koha 12:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9919' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fe6d9f7e36efee6bfa00ed28668878f519a4904> / Bug 9919: Correct syntax error caused by missing comma. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07228e5080e3750b52ecbe9f57381351e58ab3a4> 12:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #1120 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 12:58 kf good morning jcamins ;) 12:58 jcamins Hello. 13:02 tcohen hi jcamins, kf 13:02 kf hi tcohen 13:02 jcamins Can you have multiple header rows in a table? 13:03 kf in which program? 13:04 kf I would think so, at least that's what I do sometimes 13:04 jcamins HTML. 13:04 oleonard Yes, that's valid 13:05 oleonard Whether or not something like DataTables will lose its marbles is another question 13:05 kf true 13:05 jcamins Thanks. 13:06 kf and hi oleonard :) 13:06 oleonard I hope your trip home was good kf 13:06 kf long but good :) 13:06 kf thx :) 13:07 * oleonard wonders if khall and bag are back 13:07 khall indeed! 13:07 kf oleonard: be careful, he might have a... never mind 13:08 kf khall: okok, I will stop :) 13:08 khall grrrr 13:08 kf I was just trying to hold onto marseille a bit longer... 13:08 khall : )= 13:09 oleonard khall: Did you flight home have free seat-back movies? 13:09 khall yeah, but no the on-demand kind 13:09 oleonard Bummer. Those are my favorite. 13:09 khall yeah, much better that way 13:22 tcohen fredericdem: koha-index-daemon doesn't survive temporal db connection errors 13:30 oleonard I can only hope that when I die I have earned the right to a 100$c 13:32 jcamins oleonard: heh. I don't even have a 100$a yet! 13:32 oleonard Hm, good point. Me neither. 13:47 kf hm 13:47 bag morning all 13:47 kf hey bag :) 13:47 bag heya kf 13:47 kf had a good trip? 13:48 bag still a tiny bit jet lagged 13:49 bag but besides that I'm great! was great to see Ginny and Sonja 13:49 kf :) 13:49 kf is the chocolate rabbit still alive? 13:49 bag it is! 13:49 bag no dents 13:49 kf wow! :) 13:49 khall Just found a new critical bug: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9922 13:49 huginn 04Bug 9922: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn 13:49 oleonard bag: Did you smuggle any Kinder eggs? 13:50 kf khall: I think nengard was talking aobut this earlier and still think liz too... but can't find her comment 13:50 kf oleonard: lindt chocolate bunny :) 13:50 khall kf: I still have my rabbit too! 13:50 bag I didn't know about Kinder eggs? 13:50 kf :) 13:50 oleonard bag: That's because you're not a hardened criminal 13:50 bag But I did smuggle some fois grau for my bother :P 13:50 kf oleonard: next time... but I thought better not tempt them 13:51 oleonard http://www.cbc.ca/news/offbeat/story/2012/07/18/kinder-eggs-illegal-candy-canada-border.html 13:52 jcamins lol 13:53 bag HA 13:56 oleonard I guess TSA was looking for real criminals when I went through 13:57 chris_n so you can carry your pocket knife, but don't dare bring chocolate eggs 13:57 oleonard I'm just lucky my children survived being given such a dangerous snack. Of course I've been careful to teach them never to cram a full-sized chocolate egg into their mouths all at once too. 13:57 jcamins [off] They're concerned that the TSA agents might try to eat them. 13:57 chris_n moronic to say the least 13:58 jcamins chris_n: there were... probably zero... reported deaths due to kinder eggs the year before they were banned! 13:58 chris_n oleonard++ # "I've been careful to teach them...." 13:59 chris_n jcamins: lol 13:59 jcamins Actually, apparently there have been six deaths. 13:59 chris_n hot dogs are probably a greater risk than the toys in candy eggs 14:00 jcamins chris_n: BAN THE HOTDOGS! 14:00 jcamins A $2500 fine per egg. 14:01 chris_n "In one analysis of about 450 choking fatalities among children over two decades, the inhalation of latex balloons was responsible for 29% of deaths and 17% of deaths were caused by hot dogs." 14:02 * chris_n did not see eggs listed in that article 14:02 oleonard Much easier to ban European candy than all-American processed meat. 14:02 jcamins [off] I thought we imported our ground dog from Europe? 14:03 jcamins [off] Illegally, of course... 14:03 * chris_n notices the next release date misses his birthday by one day 14:03 jcamins chris_n: in which direction? 14:04 chris_n [off] I thought that was ground horse 14:04 chris_n may 17 14:04 jcamins Ah, no, the PO updating misses your birthday by one day. 14:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1120: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1120/ 14:04 jenkins_koha Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 9919: Correct syntax error caused by missing comma. 14:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9919 blocker, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , Syntax error in kohastructure.sql 14:04 jcamins I want three days to struggle with producing a tarball. 14:05 * chris_n misread 14:05 chris_n :) 14:05 oleonard Your efforts will be worth it jcamins when you get to yell at people for using it to install Koha ;) 14:06 chris_n ok, back to wrestling with Python :-P 14:06 oleonard wrestling with Python > wrestling a python? 14:06 chris_n it sure feels like it 14:07 jcamins "Showing 4 of 3 records" 14:08 jcamins Something tells me that's not right. 14:08 jcamins Is Peter Crellan Kelly a new committer? 14:10 oleonard rangi said something on Twitter about new committers from a workshop yesterday 14:11 jcamins Cool! 14:11 jcamins Now... why does it say 4 of 3? 14:11 jcamins The 4 is right. 14:11 jcamins The 3 is not. 14:12 jcamins Oh, because I screwed up my data. 14:15 jcamins Maybe... 14:15 wahanui rumour has it maybe is a momentaneous error 14:19 oleonard If I test a Z39.50 search as part of testing Bug 6554 and find the Z39.50 search results includes junk like "Herg�e" is that a failing of the patch, or business as usual for Z39.50? 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Broken encoding in members home/search page 14:20 jcamins Business as usual, most likely. 14:21 oleonard also: Navigating Koha with Ukranian translation enabled is kinda fun. 14:22 jcamins Heh. 14:39 kf jcamins: hm, I don't understand your po file mail :) 14:39 kf jcamins: a few days before release (release release?) because that might not be enough, we need an update when the help files are in 14:39 jcamins Yes, and if the help files aren't in by May 1, they're not going in at all. 14:39 jcamins We have over a month of feature freeze before string freeze. 14:40 jcamins And usually string freeze is two weeks. 14:40 jcamins Or less. 14:41 tcohen couldn't we put a name to every koha release? like debian does? 14:41 jcamins tcohen: yes, I have to choose a name. 14:41 jcamins It's going to be dessert-themed. 14:41 tcohen sweet 14:41 tcohen :-D 14:42 jcamins Or cat themed. 14:42 tcohen cheese? 14:42 wahanui cheese is, like, delicious, but cait just had butter 14:42 jcamins Ooh. 14:42 jcamins Or cheese themed. 14:43 oleonard Or root-vegetable themed! 14:43 jcamins oleonard: probably not. 14:44 * oleonard might have gotten his way if the CSA hadn't gotten to jcamins first 14:44 jcamins lol 14:45 tcohen jcamins: about the INSTALL.* files i have had dis-agreements with mtompset about them 14:45 tcohen just to clarify, I think they should target the tarball install steps, not git or anything else 14:46 jcamins They should inform people that the packages exist, and are preferable when applicable. 14:46 tcohen but what do u think of pointing them to the git install method? 14:47 jcamins There should probably be a note saying "if you plan on doing development, use git." 14:47 oleonard Why do I suddenly not see my holding libraries listed on opac-detail.pl? 14:47 jcamins That is the only installation documentation we have, and I don't see that changing. 14:48 jcamins oleonard: I don't know. 14:49 rambutan @seen wizzyrea 14:49 huginn rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 14 hours, 39 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> When the build fails, it should "fail loudly" with a "monitor that starts flashing red" and email to everyone on the team. When that happens, you should "respond immediately" to fix the problem. In his team, they have a full-size Justin Bieber cutout that gets placed facing the team member who broke the build. They (1 more message) 14:50 rambutan @later tell wizzyrea looks like we got about 4" of snow over the weekend. 14:50 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 14:50 rambutan @wunder 64504 14:50 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -2.3°C (9:46 AM CDT on March 25, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 14:54 gmcharlt @quote random 14:55 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011) 14:59 kf jcamins: possible you meant pull request instead of update? 14:59 kf jcamins: meaning that people have to finish translating a few days before the release? because I am still confused after your 2 mails 14:59 kf but I got a cold. 14:59 jcamins Right. 15:00 jcamins Except there are no longer going to be pull requests. 15:00 jcamins I will let you send a clarifying e-mail, because clearly my clarifying e-mails don't. 15:00 kf I got a cold! 15:00 * kf sniffs 15:34 kf oleonard++ #signing off on the encoding patch :) 15:35 oleonard I hope I tested it properly 15:35 kf :) 15:35 kf I think dpavlin will be happy about your feedback 16:28 jcamins paypal-- 16:28 oleonard That seems to be the consensus. 16:38 bag HA jcamins we've got someone here begging to intregrate paypal and koha… I'd rather rewrite accountlines from scratch first 16:52 gaetan_B bye ! 16:53 bag later gaetan_B 16:58 kf bag: sounds like a good alternative :) 16:58 kf and now I am leaving for today - bye all! 16:58 bag oh bye cait 16:59 drojf good day #koha 17:06 oleonard Hi drojf 17:06 drojf hi oleonard 17:06 drojf quiet around here 17:06 oleonard Yeah, everyone is hung over from Hackfest 17:08 drojf frogleg poisoning? :P 17:08 oleonard Too much pastis? 17:11 drojf oh i could use some too 17:15 oleonard Oh it's lunch time. I guess I should lunch. 17:17 drojf you should, before it slowly turns into dinner 17:17 drojf i guess i cannot wake up anyone with a nice marc/authority question, but i'll try anyway. 17:18 drojf i have a topical term that i would put into 150_a. but i also have a number corresponding to it. is 072 an appropriate place or is that meant for a higher level category? and if so what would be a better place? 17:28 drojf maybe 065 would be a good place too 17:29 drojf wahanui: how is your day? 17:29 wahanui drojf: bugger all, i dunno 17:38 drojf Random Quote ' I think we need more quotes!' :) 17:42 khall does anyone succinctly explain the differences between the "holds to pull" and the "holds queue" reports? Nobody seems to know! Apparently a couple years ago Ian just told Nicole "Don't use the holds to pull report" 17:42 cait khall: I would bet liz can explain 17:43 cait I think the holds to pull has something to do with the holds_queue cronjob 17:43 * cait ponders 17:43 khall I think it's the other way around 17:43 khall right? 17:43 cait oh? 17:44 oleonard Yes 17:44 khall But holds to pull apparently is a bit wonky 17:44 khall I'm wondering why we have them both when they seems to accomplish the same task 17:44 cait khall: if you figure it out, you should document it :) 18:00 bag holds to pull is old code IRC… and is much better for a single site. Actually I don't remember at the moment but I do know that we usually say use holds queue if you are multi site vs. use what ever you want if you are single site 18:00 bag khall ^^ 18:00 khall bag: thanks for the info. 18:01 khall It really seems to me like holds to pull should be deprecated, but I may not being seeing the big picture 18:01 cait I think there really was some difference 18:01 bag I may have come down to the fact that holds queue used holding branch (well it used to before 3.10 :P ) 18:01 cait but I don't remember well 18:01 bag hi cait 18:01 cait hi bag 18:31 rangi holds to pull should only ever show holds that are on the shelf, and should not be deprecated because it works very well for a lot of libraries, but multi branch libraries shouldnt use it, or should commission it to be changed to work for them 18:31 rangi all our specials use it all the time and it works exactly how they want 18:32 bag ^^ what I said - except nicer :P 18:32 rangi holds queue on the other hand, has never worked properly 18:32 rangi works even worse now it got changed to use homebranch 18:32 bag right and has had issues with onorder etc. 18:32 bag khall ^^^ 18:32 rangi ayeah 18:33 bag a bit more info for you 18:33 rangi for our publics, we find a few saved reports work better 18:33 rangi holds queue tries to be too smart 18:33 bag hmm those on the wiki? 18:33 khall that's some good information to know! 18:34 rangi probably, just select * from reserves where branchcode=<<branch>> 18:34 khall I've submitted a patch for the hold/home branch issue for the holds queue 18:34 rangi ie don't try and suggest how to fill them, like the holds queue does, just tell them all the reserves wanted at that branch and let the librarians decide how to fill them 18:34 bag yeah rangi but then you'd need to add the != onloan 18:34 rangi nope 18:35 rangi they mostly dont care, they just want to sell all the reserves 18:35 rangi theyd rather see too much, than miss some 18:35 rangi sell = see 18:35 bag hmm I guess the librarians here don't see it the same way… 18:36 bag [off] they are sheep and see list get books - check books in - sorry if that is too rough :P 18:36 khall Should we perhaps hide holds to pull for multi-branch libraries? It would be nice if we could have in words what the problem is. I'd be willing to fix it 18:36 cait i think if you have lots of branches 18:36 cait a feature that suggests who is responsible to look for a copy makes sense? 18:36 bag I would be down with hiding holds to pull for non single libraries 18:37 khall does holds to pull respect the cost matrix? 18:38 bag if you are single site 18:38 bag who cares about the cost matrix? 18:38 rangi khall: it has nothing to do with the cost matrix 18:38 khall good point 18:38 rangi it should only show you reserves for your branch, that on the shelf at your branch 18:38 rangi it shouldn't care about anything else 18:38 cait rangi: so where is cost matrix used? 18:38 * cait is confused now 18:38 rangi holdsqueue 18:38 khall holds queue uses the cost matrix 18:39 khall if it's enabled that is 18:39 bag the cost matrix should be in the holds queue 18:39 cait ah 18:39 rangi holds to pull is just a list of ones you can walk out and take off the shelf right now 18:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #35 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:39 cait I will leave this discussion to the holds expert and make dinner 18:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #307 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #307: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/307/ 18:39 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add opaccloud 18:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #35: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/35/ 18:39 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add opaccloud 18:39 bag have a good dinner cait 18:39 rangi since most special libraries, people never ever come to the library 18:39 rangi they just place holds 18:39 rangi and the staff email them the article etc 18:40 rangi stuff actually leaves the shelves less and less 18:40 rangi so the holds to pull becomes a more and more useful tool 18:40 rangi every couple of hours, you try to clear it 18:41 rangi and your organisation goes 'wow these librarians are efficient i asked for that fiscal responsibility article an hour ago, and i have it already!' 18:41 rangi and everyone is happy :-) 18:41 rangi to that end, we are building an extension to it 18:41 rangi if you switch the syspref on, any item of type article 18:41 rangi gives you a little 'fullfilled' link next to it 18:42 rangi so you can email them the article, (their email is on the holds to pull page) and click that 18:42 rangi it marks the hold filled 18:42 rangi then you are done 18:42 rangi ministry of education and a couple of others are testing that 18:43 rangi means that they track the usage, of things that were previously untracked 18:43 rangi and is very very easy for the librarians 18:43 rangi click one button 18:44 bag sorry rangi - that is pretty awesome. we started a staff meeting (sorry to drop in the middle of a conversation) :P 18:44 bag that sounds really good though 18:45 rangi so 3.14 should have that :) 18:46 bag :) 18:52 rambutan I can't wait to see all the good stuff in Koha v8.28 18:53 oleonard anyone tried uploading a KOC file recently, by any chance? 18:54 cait :) 18:54 cait rangi: sounds like you should submit that :) 18:55 rangi i will after the release 18:55 cait cool :) 18:55 cait sounds like ti could work well for ill requests for copies too 18:56 rangi not really 18:56 cait hm 18:56 rangi because it doesnt circulate the item, because it doesnt actually leave the library, an electronic copy of it does 18:57 cait that#s ok 18:57 cait copies don't go back 18:57 rangi maybe not in your library 18:57 cait i mean they are just handed out to the patron 18:57 cait hm, maybe sould reread log after diner :) 18:57 rangi in that case, yep it would, if you never want them back 18:59 rangi ok, gotta take kids to school bbl 19:44 Guest123 khall - the holds to pull and hold queue do not accomplish the same task. 19:45 wizzyrea holds to pull shows all items available from all libraries to fill all holds (filtered by date) 19:45 wizzyrea hold queue shows only items that this particular branch has items available to fill. 19:46 wizzyrea it also does some smart selecting based on the hold queue weight, and as you've discovered, the cost matrix. 19:47 bag khall ^^ 19:47 wizzyrea holds to pull also doesn't (iirc) do much with things like holds from patrons of this library only 19:47 khall thanks! 19:47 bag I think many have tried to say the same thing - but each with a somewhat different description 19:47 wizzyrea it scatter shot shows them all and the humans have to sort it out. 19:47 bag nengard ^^ scrollback - we probably need that better defined in the doc's 19:48 nengard how far ... huh 19:48 nengard how the holds queue and holds to pull 19:48 nengard work 19:48 bag 100 lines I'd guess 19:48 nengard well those sections are very very thoroughly documented by khall :) 19:48 bag yes how the holds queue and the holds to pull are different :P 19:48 wizzyrea did I say something directly contrary to what someone else saaid? 19:48 bag nope 19:48 wizzyrea ok good. 19:48 bag we all say it a little different :) 19:49 bag holds to pull - single site. holds queue - doesn't work :P in summary 19:49 wizzyrea doesn't work* right now 19:49 nengard wait 19:49 nengard it used to be holds to pull doesn't work 19:49 nengard and i won't write in the manual that something doesn't work :) 19:49 bag right doesn't work right 19:49 wizzyrea no it works fine, just it doesn't work the way that people expect. 19:49 nengard k - mom needs help back to bed 19:49 bag no holds to pull has always worked - just not for multi sites 19:50 wizzyrea and it's not *practical* for multi sites. 19:50 bag that's better 19:50 wizzyrea it works fine for them but it's totally not practical 19:50 bag *practical* 19:51 wizzyrea you could probably build a sane-ish workflow around holds to pull 19:51 khall y 19:51 wizzyrea -ish 19:51 wizzyrea for multi branches. I think it's better to fix the hold queue. 19:51 nengard mom changed her mind 19:51 nengard i love being a caretaker :) 19:51 cait @later tell rangi I meant photo copies - printed articles - maybe wrong english term? 19:51 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 19:52 wizzyrea at least, if bywater is doing it I can think of one library system that in it's current state neither holds to pull or the hold queue will work. 19:52 bag yup 19:52 wizzyrea and you really don't want them shouting at you. 19:52 bag yup 19:53 wizzyrea khall I see your patch - I'll try to test that today. 19:53 khall excellent! 20:05 cait :) 20:14 oleonard Bye #koha 20:25 rangi *sigh* 20:27 trea greetings #koha 20:28 cait rangi: why *sigh*? 20:28 cait and hi trea 20:28 trea hiya cait 20:28 rangi see the mailing list 20:28 cait oh i see 20:29 trea question - are the SIP response messages sent from koha? For Example if a selfcheck displays "Greetings from Koha. PATRON EXPIRED" is this Koha sending the "PATRON EXPIRED" bit, or is that a code that the selfcheck interpolates as such 20:29 rangi trea: you can check the syslog to see :) 20:29 rangi most of the time it does both 20:29 trea okay, in this case it is Koha 20:30 trea so, how could I change it? apparently folks think the system is telling them they are deceased. 20:30 trea :( 20:30 rangi heh 20:30 trea ikr 20:30 rangi people are weird 20:30 trea yessir 20:31 cait I think some machines here interpolate and translate 20:32 rangi yeah 20:32 rangi it depends on the machine 20:33 rangi trea: SIP::ILS::Patron 20:33 trea ahhh ok 20:33 trea i'll take a look there, thanks 20:33 rangi line 53 20:33 trea rangi++ 20:33 rangi $kp->{opacnote} .= 'PATRON EXPIRED'; 20:33 rangi just change to 20:34 rangi PATRON'S CARD EXPIRED !!! YOU ARE STILL ALIVE YOU FOOL! 20:34 trea heh 20:34 cait lol 20:34 trea challenge accepted 20:35 wizzyrea lol. 20:39 rambutan @wunder 64504 20:39 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 0.1°C (3:35 PM CDT on March 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 20:39 rambutan well, it's heavy snow 20:40 rgbv Hi, we've just upgraded to 3.10.3 and we want to suppress the Hourly Loans, hours and minutes from display (in Due date etc) in the staff client? is there a syspref for this? 20:40 rangi not that im aware of, but i might be missing something 20:41 rangi they should all be saying 23:59 ? 20:41 rgbv yep 23:59, its distracting... 20:42 rangi afaik there is no syspref to hide it, it is a good idea tho 20:43 cait I would love a way to hide it 20:46 maximep putting 23:59 wasn't the bert solution -_- 20:46 maximep *best 20:47 cait rgbv: I think you could maybe hide it with jquery 20:49 rgbv right I'll brush up on my jquery, it's not as straight forward as other suppress ions, cheers cait 20:50 cait oups 21:09 rangi new developer :) 21:09 magnus yay! 21:10 rangi and 3 more waiting for sign off 21:11 magnus new people at catalyst? 21:11 rangi i ran a session for anyone who wanted to learn about koha yesterday 21:11 cait rangi++ 21:11 rangi 7 patches from 5 ppl :) 21:12 magnus yeah rangi++ 21:20 * magnus will try and signoff 1 or 2 of those when he gets his emergency running-off-usb-stick setup ready 21:21 * magnus waves at Viktor 21:21 * Viktor waves back :) 21:21 magnus :-) 21:22 Viktor I can't find "Moderate purchase suggestions" in set permissions. Am I looking in the wrong place or is it just something for a RFC? 21:24 cait Viktor: what do you want to do? :) 21:24 wizzyrea the first question 21:24 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 21:24 wizzyrea you probably want to look under acqusitions 21:24 wizzyrea acquisitions* 21:24 cait I think suggestions has no single permission 21:25 wizzyrea no, it doesn't 21:25 cait it could have one 21:25 wizzyrea yea 21:25 Viktor I find "moderate patron tags" and "moderate patron comments" but not that :) 21:25 wizzyrea because patron suggestions are not really like those things. 21:26 wizzyrea at least in my mind they're not 21:26 wizzyrea other patrons never see them, you only process them 21:26 wizzyrea staff only 21:26 wizzyrea staff with acquisitions permission 21:26 cait yep 21:26 magnus (unless you turn on the syspref for public suggestions...) 21:26 Viktor The way many libraries work here we have one librarian who has the right to handle purchase suggestions so we might want to be able to limit access to it. 21:27 Viktor Right you are wizzyrea. 21:27 cait Viktor: I think enhancement requests 21:27 cait request 21:28 wizzyrea only if having acquisitions permissions for that user isn't granular enough 21:28 cait I think one would probably need to update the permissions and activate it by default for staff with acq perms on update 21:28 wizzyrea like, if you want someone to do acquisitions but not do purchase suggestions? 21:28 wizzyrea but really, to me, that sounds like a human problem. 21:28 Viktor It's not such a big thing since only people working in acquisitions see it. But for larger libraries it might be god. For us it will be one and the same person. 21:29 Viktor Sorry: it might be _good_ 21:29 wizzyrea i.e. tell the librarians who do acq but don't do suggestions "don't bother with suggestions" 21:29 Viktor wizzyrea True. 21:30 wizzyrea in my mind, there's not a lot you can really *hurt* by processing a suggestion - worst thing is you might send out an erroneous email to a patron - regrettable, but not deleting the whole catalogue. 21:31 Viktor The thing is that I am thinking about some sort of profile system for the long run where all tasks are mapped to specified people. 21:31 wizzyrea we do need to have some kind of role management in koha, that is true 21:31 Viktor So that when the one responsible hasn't responded to purchase suggestions, tags, comments etc for the specified limit the system notifies the "second in command" 21:32 Viktor Aha - I guess role management is what I should write a enhancement request for :) Thanks wizzyrea 21:33 cait Viktor: I think staff councils here would not like that 21:33 wizzyrea and what I mean by role management is "sets of permissions that define a role in koha" 21:34 Viktor cait - would it be ok if it's opt in? 21:34 wizzyrea such as "cataloguer" or "acquisitions/cataloguer" or "circulation clerk" 21:34 cait it should definitely be opt in to send such mails - but I am not sure it#s a feature I would like much 21:34 * wizzyrea either 21:35 Viktor cait wizzyrea - Interesting! I guess it might be problematic if people felt that they are not trusted to do their job proerly. 21:36 cait yep 21:37 Viktor But I have a library that has a management who has policies for how long things are allowed to take regarding user feedback. There it would be great to be able to catch the stuff that's forgotten when the one person who does a task breaks a leg or gets sick. 21:37 cait i think then you need to have rules for who is responsible when someone breaks a leg :) 21:37 cait sounds more like an organisational problem to me 21:38 wizzyrea ^^ what she said 21:38 Viktor :) 21:38 cait if the scheduler worked... you could probably implement such warnings 21:38 cait with reports 21:38 cait which reminds me that this patch is waiting for qa 21:39 wizzyrea or you could use the reports to show you the oldest suggestions on the home page. 21:39 Viktor cait wizzyrea Well it's cheaper at least to solve it that way. And less intrusive. But I tend to seek technonogical solutions :) Oh well. 21:39 wizzyrea :) yea, that's a trap we've all fallen into 21:40 Viktor :) 21:40 wizzyrea it's how we ended up with 21:40 wizzyrea quote 123? 21:40 wizzyrea @quote get 123 21:40 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 21:40 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 21:40 magnus hehe 21:41 alohabot Hi mib_giy3zc, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 21:42 * magnus wonders why Bug 7938 is in discussion 21:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7938 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, In Discussion , The -v option to the translate script is not documented 21:42 mib_giy3zc Hi I am a library science student in Pennsylvania trying to complete an assignment. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if any type of hardware is needed for this software and what it is 21:43 cait maybe misunderstanding about how status works? 21:43 rangi do i get credit for your assignment if i do? 21:43 mib_giy3zc sure 21:43 cjh heh 21:43 mib_giy3zc or if anyone could just point me in the direction 21:44 rangi the answer to your question is, how long is a piece of string 21:44 rangi basically you need a lot more info before you decide on the hardware you want to run 21:44 rangi how many transactions a day is your library going to do, how many bibliographic records etc 21:45 wizzyrea koha can run on raspberry pi's - not well, but it will work. People have run it on PS2's, also. 21:45 wizzyrea I don't advise it 21:45 mib_giy3zc Okay thank you for your help. 21:45 wizzyrea if it helps you, I had a 9k item library open 3 days a week, koha was running on a P4 with 1GB of RAM and it worked just fine. 21:46 wizzyrea hrmph. 21:46 rangi i despair for our future 21:50 Viktor Hardware is interesting - is it the amount of simultaneous users or the type of work the server has to do that takes the highest toll? 21:51 rangi both 21:52 Viktor rangi Linear curve? Or will the load go exponential? (Server management isn't really my core area of expertise) 21:53 rangi its never linear, bottlenecks compound 21:53 rangi basically though, more RAM is the answer to pretty much every problem 21:54 * magnus signs off Bug 7938 anyway - so there! 21:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7938 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Signed Off , The -v option to the translate script is not documented 21:55 rangi yay ! 21:55 cait heh 21:56 rangi i suspect will's finger slipped is all 21:57 magnus probably 21:57 magnus oh well, time to call it a night 21:57 magnus have fun #koha! 21:57 rangi cya magnus 21:57 trea o/ 21:59 Viktor rangi Thanks - RAM is always nice. Keeping the whole DB in RAM should work wonders I guess. 22:02 Viktor Well. Night folks! Thanks for the help! 22:02 rangi cya Viktor 22:03 wizzyrea later :)