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23:48 wizzyrea http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44444575875/when-we-dont-write-a-test-for-that-special-corner-case
23:47 wizzyrea http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release
22:45 drojf good luck
22:43 libsysguy standby
22:43 * libsysguy attempts to flash ubuntu touch on his galaxy note 10.1
22:38 tcohen hi wizzyrea
22:26 wahanui rumour has it yesterday is all your troubles seemed so far away
22:26 wizzyrea yesterday
22:25 wizzyrea not yet - he mentioned something about going back to non-koha work
22:22 bag no dcook today eh?
22:17 tcohen we might choose between one of them for the pre-plack move if moose was to be used by that time
22:16 tcohen reading a bit found people that says mouse is heavier than moo, and moo claims to be straightforward to migrate to moose if decided
22:10 wahanui rumour has it Any::MOose is available on Debian
22:10 tcohen hmm Any::MOose
22:08 rangi but moo is cool too
22:08 rangi after listening to schwern i like mouse probably a bit better
22:07 rangi tcohen: i like moo and mouse
22:06 mib_nawbdt hi I need some help with leader 00900nam a2200289 i 4500 when I count chars in this marc file i have 895 why?
22:06 tcohen http://search.cpan.org/~mstrout/Moo-1.000008/lib/Moo.pm
22:06 tcohen and what do u think of Moo BTW?
22:05 rangi but vim + git suits me pretty well as I am often on different machines
22:04 rangi i might get less annoyed
22:04 rangi i think if i always worked a the same machine
22:04 rangi yep
22:04 rangi it annoyed me too
22:04 tcohen annoyed too?
22:04 tcohen (for any Perl project)
22:04 rangi yep
22:04 tcohen rangi, have you tried eclipse+epic?
22:03 rangi its never too early to start planning
22:03 rangi tcohen: feel free to start a kohacon14 section on the wiki
22:03 rangi tcohen: nice
22:02 alohabot Hi mib_nawbdt, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
22:02 tcohen now we got a pope our higher goal is named KohaCon14
22:01 rangi i tried once and got annoyed and went back to vim tcohen
22:01 * drojf tries hard not to make a pope joke
22:00 tcohen has anyone used Padre
21:56 samuel hi everybody
21:52 drojf i love it when the parallel universes i spend my time in collide from time to time
21:49 * drojf is excited
21:49 drojf ha! you can use apertium as machine translator too. that's cool, it might show up in my thesis somehow
21:46 tcohen that's correct drojf
21:46 drojf habemus tcohen
21:45 drojf thanks!
21:44 rangi http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/machine_translation
21:41 drojf rangi: where did you find the machine translation thing? i fail to see that in the pootle changelog
21:37 cait night all :)
21:36 druthb yep. He *loves* snuggling up to me when I'm in bed reading.
21:34 wizzyrea pft, he just needed a chance to get comfortable with his new people :)
21:27 druthb I was a lil worried about him when we first adopted him; I'm not near as awesome as you are, so worried he might not settle in well. But he's fine. :)
21:26 wizzyrea *nod*
21:25 druthb 4.65 kg; he's gained a lil weight.
21:24 wizzyrea hehe
21:24 wizzyrea short drives = vet, long drives he's mostly ok with in my experience
21:24 druthb Pixel is in fine health, happy, good weight, and his coat is very nice, according to the vet. :)
21:24 wizzyrea I have had him in the car before - he usually does all right after a short time
21:23 druthb Lindsey took he and Cap to the vet last week, with only minor drama.
21:23 wizzyrea lol.
21:23 druthb but a stranger (to him) was over here earlier, and he actually came out and snuggled with her. Definitely stoned.
21:22 wizzyrea i can only imagine.
21:22 druthb He's meowing a lot, and very snuggly.
21:22 wizzyrea LOL!
21:22 druthb wizzyrea: we got Pixel some anti-anxiety pills from the vet for the trip to Houston, and test-drove one today. He took it readily, but is high as a kite now.
21:22 * wizzyrea waves hello
21:21 druthb hi, eythian. :)
21:21 eythian hi
21:20 druthb Sure!
21:20 rangi sweet
21:20 druthb okie. I'll add that to my to-do!
21:20 rangi worth trying i figure
21:20 rangi and it should do it
21:20 rangi and to edit the localsettings.py
21:20 druthb easy enough.
21:20 rangi you basically need an api key
21:20 rangi Since version 2.1, Pootle has the ability to use online Machine Translation (MT) Services to give suggestions to translators.
21:19 rangi im suggesting we let pootle do that for us :)
21:19 druthb rangi, are you suggesting that we feed it the untranslated stuff, and save the machine-gen stuff as suggested?
21:16 cait of course
21:16 rangi by giving a suggestion
21:16 rangi but it can certainly help people understand the english
21:15 cait not the other way
21:15 cait it mostly translates to english well
21:15 rangi nope
21:15 cait it can't replace a human translator
21:15 libsysguy google translate is getting better
21:14 libsysguy I was wondering about that
21:12 wizzyrea !
21:11 rangi http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/machine_translation
21:11 rangi since 2.1
21:11 rangi yep
21:09 wizzyrea whaaaat
21:09 rangi pootle can now be hooked into google translate
21:09 rangi did you know
20:56 Dyrcona jcamins: Drop by my place, I'll show you.
20:56 cait jcamins: very useful knowledge - have fun :)
20:55 rangi :)
20:55 wizzyrea good luck :)
20:54 * jcamins heads out to learn how to not electrocute himself while installing outlets, having learned how to not flood his downstairs neighbors' apartments last week.
20:54 sekjal time to catch my bus; g'night, #koha
20:53 * Dyrcona is calm now.
20:52 cait jcamins knows me well :)
20:52 jcamins And, better is "take cover." :)
20:52 cait the dictionary was not clear :)
20:52 jcamins cait was trying to think of the word. :)
20:52 cait :)
20:52 cait oh
20:52 jcamins cover
20:52 rangi whats hm coverage?
20:51 Dyrcona ????
20:51 cait Dyrcona: should we seek hm coverage?
20:48 Dyrcona Speaking of red buttons, I just had one of mine pushed.
20:46 jcamins Speaking of red buttons, I wrote a demo once that would only work if you turned a serial A/B switch to B.
20:46 cait lol
20:45 gmcharlt note: I will never write such a feature -- at least, not without a *TON* of caveats, warning messages, and a physical red button to push
20:45 jcamins gmcharlt: and then someone would try it and complain when it moved all their fiction to P*.
20:44 gmcharlt jcamins: we always have the option of utterly horrifying catalogers and actually adding a feature to switch the call numbers stored in the item records :)
20:28 rangi often that is correct
20:27 rangi true
20:27 jcamins I further decided that more detail than that would probably not help to clarify the matter.
20:27 jcamins I decided to charitably assume that Mesfin simply had never worked in a library environment and therefore didn't know the difference between an item and a bib.
20:26 indranil__ jcamins, lmao over the reply
20:26 jcamins I answered it.
20:25 cait rangi: I read it like that as well and chose ot to answer it righ tnow
20:25 cait :)
20:24 sekjal hi cait!
20:24 cait hi rangi and sekjal
20:23 jcamins rangi: I found the e-mail.
20:23 indranil__ lol
20:20 rangi :-)
20:20 rangi hey i resemble that remark!
20:19 jcamins Surely Koha comes with a built-in developer who will appear and do all the work for free?
20:18 rangi heh
20:17 jcamins But I didn't see the message.
20:17 jcamins Probably not, and probably, respectively.
20:17 sekjal hi, rangi
20:16 rangi hmm am i reading this wrong is Mesfin asking Koha to relabel his items?
20:16 rangi hi sekjal
20:14 sekjal thanks, gmcharlt. she's recovering well, but still on crutches. surgey was only last Thursday
20:14 wizzyrea indeed, poor wife!
20:14 gmcharlt ah, my sympathies to your wife
20:13 * wizzyrea prefers both
20:13 sekjal I totally missed the meeting, huh? I blame daylight savings, and my wife's broken foot
20:13 jcamins oleonard: just so long as one of them remains standing at the end.
20:13 gmcharlt hi sekjal
20:12 oleonard hey sekjal, come to volunteer to be RM? You'll have to arm wrestle gmcharlt for it
20:12 sekjal hi, druthb!
20:12 sekjal hi, jcamins
20:12 jcamins edveal: no problem. Tell them #koha says hi. :)
20:12 edveal Yes sorry
20:12 jcamins sekjal: hello!
20:12 jcamins edveal: possibly you just said that in the wrong channel.
20:10 oleonard Hi rangi
20:09 rangi morning
20:09 edveal Webinar done now time to for call to NE Harbor.
20:09 * druthb tacklehugs sekjal
19:47 * drojf heads home
19:30 * thd has to make an excursion to work
19:28 thd datadoctor gmcharlt: Myself and others will in future be calling for a round trip MARC to BIBFRAME and back to MARC test as the only satifactory validation that conversion will be lossless.
19:26 datadoctor Thank you thd! I am interested in the issue and will try to learn more about it. I will look at the github info.
19:25 thd datadoctor: There are python scripts on Github for testing and an online form which you can use for testing.
19:24 thd datadoctor: You can test their model with tricky record data which are not the most common cases being examined.
19:22 datadoctor I hear you. Cataloging is complex, we depend on the LOC a lot, how do we decide where their structure works and where it doesn't?
19:22 thd datadoctor: I have hope that they will be fixed because they are of deep concern to many inside LC.
19:21 thd datadoctor: They are not a Koha problem unless we blindly follow LC also.
19:21 datadoctor time to shake the foundations! ;)
19:20 datadoctor tcohen++
19:20 drojf tcohen is pope. congratulations
19:20 datadoctor Not really a Koha issue though :)
19:20 datadoctor We may have granted the pope of the LOC too much power, much as I respect the institution. I am thinking of the DMCA exemption powers, regarding mobile device content.
19:18 thd jcamins: These are issues which actually had to be corrected in Koha in the past.
19:18 jcamins thd: once the 3.14 cycle starts you might want to send a link to the koha-devel mailing list to a blog post detailing these issues.
19:17 thd gmcharlt: I have not yet raised the issues on the mailing list or any blog. I had have had somewhat satisfactory answers in person from the principles but I am afraid of the answer to the question of the real test.
19:15 thd gmcharlt: There are currently large areas of data loss in BibFrame over anything dependent on data sequence or orderliness which is a lot in many millions of records with everything from subdivided subject headings, multiple places of publication, sound recordings, etc..
19:12 gmcharlt thd: interesting points ... have you gathered them up in a blog post orthe like?
19:10 thd gmcharlt: There are ideological convictions over how data ought to be structured and what the role of the Library of Congress ought to be competing with how people including cataloguers at LC envision metadata.
19:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9322 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , If multiple transfers exist (from circ/branchtransfers.pl), completing one completes them all
19:10 * slef remembers bug 9322 and goes looking for the discussion
19:10 drojf in their red shoes
19:10 drojf they all look the same
19:10 oleonard drojf: I thought he resigned?
19:09 drojf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFQloulCYAA1ugX.jpg:large
19:08 thd gmcharlt: One reason that arbitrary XML metadata support should be especially necessary is that BibFrame might in the end need unofficial patches to actually avoid data loss from all MARC records.
19:07 slef JDatTeTakere: thanks, that's brilliant!
19:07 JDatTeTakere OK. I'm hoping to chat with rangi with week so I'll run it past him and jransom so that I'm able to give a response from HLT at the April meeting.
19:06 thd gmcharlt: I have mixed discoveries of the claim for the intention of lossless mapping of data from MARC.
19:05 slef cait, JDatTeTakere: I think magnuse, paul_p, myself, Bob and rangi all had views on this at kohacon12. nengard too.
19:05 thd gmcharlt: I have raised some problems with the principle developers in person and over telephone to obtain clarification without unnecessarily mistaking intent on the bibframe list.
19:04 jcamins ... provided there's a patch supplied. :)
19:04 jcamins In fact, I hereby upgrade it to blocker.
19:04 tcohen bye jcamins , #koha
19:04 tcohen heh, ok
19:04 JDatTeTakere Thanks cait
19:04 jcamins Removing NoZebra is a bugfix.
19:04 jcamins tcohen: it depends.
19:04 tcohen jcamins: feature removal is an enh?
19:03 drojf RA: if you came for the meeting, you have missed it
19:03 gmcharlt thd: not yet
19:03 thd gmcharlt: Have you experimented with BibFrame?
19:03 cait JDatTeTakere: magnuse was suggesting it - I am not sure he has a project in mind
19:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4266 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , encumbrance and expenditure not used in code
19:02 slef drojf: to be fair, it's in the staff client. bug 4266
19:02 oleonard slef: It's a general guideline which applies more to situations where JavaScript isn't necessarily required (which it is in the staff client) so the rule isn't hard and fast
19:02 drojf i thought opac has to work without js. wouldn't css make more sense then?
19:01 slef oleonard: why not CSS?
19:00 libsysguy inline_css--
19:00 slef datadoctor: I'm wondering if it's OK to use the style attribute.
19:00 JDatTeTakere Question about the meeting. Is magnus the person I need to speak to about "Crowdfunding for big, boring improvements?" before the next meeting?
19:00 datadoctor makes sense
19:00 oleonard slef: Usually I would say that jQuery should be used to hide those fields on page load, meaning no in-page CSS hiding them.
18:59 datadoctor slef are you talking about where the css is defined, locally or globally?
18:59 datadoctor display:none is standard css, locally applied
18:58 slef (or presumably with CSS)
18:58 thd jcamins: I have always been a strong proponent of GPL 3+ and AGPL 3+, however, I merely wanted to give every opportunity to those who would object.
18:58 slef oleonard: fields being hidden in admin so that they can still be shown with jquery if anyone is using them
18:58 oleonard What is the context slef?
18:58 slef shoudl we be encouraging <li style="display:none;"> rather than the CSS, or is that acceptable because it affects all themes, or should there at least be an id attribute? Coding guidelines seem silent about this
18:57 thd jcamins: I am not objecting. I was never an objector. I was merely concerned about the propriety of the process when their had been a controversy on the mailing list at one point.
18:57 slef hrm
18:56 jcamins slef: right, not "GPLv3+ period," but "the license is changed, period."
18:56 drojf btw you should get to rome now
18:56 drojf jcamins: with that kind of attitude you will make a great pope! looking forward to that
18:56 slef jcamins: is it not GPLv3+ period, but rather GPLv3+ with the two exceptions?
18:56 slef also, are there any javascript gurus around?
18:55 thd 18:45:42 <thd> Am I reconnected?
18:55 jcamins The vote to upgrade to GPLv3+ did not have to be unanimous, and there were plenty of opportunities for people to object, so Koha master/3.12+ is licensed GPLv3+. Period.
18:55 thd cait: Yes, my problem was that I lost my connection at least once during the meeting.
18:55 cait it would not make much sense to question it now in my opinion
18:55 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
18:55 slef coding guidelines?
18:55 cait but there was a bug and i think something on the maling list too
18:55 cait yes, I think we changed plans back nd forth during the meting bit
18:54 thd cait++ of course, however, I have checked the logs and we are following the vote over GPL 3+ but all within one meeting.
18:53 cait bit talked and tired out tonight - 3 days of library conf
18:53 slef cait: I'll try ;)
18:53 gmcharlt cait: http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html#voting
18:53 slef cait: then you go #endvote
18:53 cait mybe tell me that again before the meeting?
18:52 slef cait: then people go "#vote A" or whatever
18:52 slef cait: syntax is #startvote Question? A, B, C
18:52 cait I forgot bout it really - are there docs for it somewhere?
18:52 cait not yet
18:52 cait oh
18:52 slef cait: you ready with the #startvote for next meeting? ;-)
18:51 indranil cait++
18:51 * cait hides
18:51 jcamins cait++
18:51 drojf cait++
18:51 cjh cait++
18:51 gmcharlt cait++
18:51 davidnind cait++ for chairing O:-)
18:51 drojf thd: the latter i thought
18:51 cait :P
18:51 cait hm 48 without votes...
18:50 drojf jcamins: good point
18:50 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-03-13-17.59.log.html
18:50 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-03-13-17.59.txt
18:50 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-03-13-17.59.html
18:50 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 13 18:47:59 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
18:50 cait #endmeeting
18:50 * jcamins seconds the movement to end the meeting. :)
18:50 thd drojf: Would that mean voting twice or once across two meetings?
18:50 cait well consider this meeting ended :)
18:50 jcamins You did.
18:50 cait hope I got that right?
18:50 jcamins drojf: I don't think that's necessary. People can note their votes on the wiki, if anyone wants to vote against the anticipated majority.
18:50 cait #agreed next meeting: April 3rd, 10UTC
18:50 JDatTeTakere It's 11pm NZ time - not too bad.
18:50 drojf if there are people to chaitr, and people to sort out people taking part in both
18:50 cait I think we better send them coffee if the altenrative is 2 meetings :)
18:49 drojf we could do 2 times for vote meetings
18:49 cait bit late
18:49 cait wlel not for nz
18:49 drojf (for europe...)
18:49 drojf good voting time
18:49 jcamins 10UTC
18:49 drojf yeah i think so slef
18:49 cait gmcharlt: ok for me
18:49 jcamins Yes.
18:49 jcamins April 3, 1000UTC?
18:49 drojf i think it is 12is
18:49 slef so next is 10 UTC = 11 BST = 12 CEST = arrrgh?
18:49 cait I think backwards
18:48 gmcharlt I suggest that we do shoot for earlier in April, and suggest April 3rd as the day
18:48 slef last was 2am
18:48 drojf i forgot which way around we rotate
18:48 cait ok, can someone help me find the right time for next meeting please? drojf?
18:48 gmcharlt #action Folks interested in 3.14 roles, particularly QA and bug wranglers, should submit proposals and update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
18:47 cait #action please consider being a bug wrangler!
18:47 cait btw gmcharlt+++++ :)
18:47 jcamins True.
18:47 slef gmcharlt: say it as #action for maximum volume?
18:47 cait well if we got more interested parties... that would not hurt
18:47 tcohen indeed
18:46 jcamins gmcharlt: interested parties already did that, I think.
18:46 * gmcharlt reiterates call for more bug wranglers
18:46 cait tcohen: I think doing it on the fly without preparation now is too hard - but could be discussed on the mailing list /a wiki page
18:46 gmcharlt ACTION: interested parties should submit their proposals for release team duties to the wiki, and mail the link to the devel list (wizzyrea, 02:41:09)
18:46 gmcharlt well, just the one
18:46 oleonard http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_meeting__2012_02_06.2013-02-07-02.05.html
18:46 jcamins tcohen: send a message to the mailing list.
18:46 jcamins We have no outstanding actions.
18:46 cait can someone check the logs please?
18:46 tcohen how can we come to discuss choosing a framework or minimal set of tools for that?
18:46 cait trying to hurry things along a bit ;)
18:45 cait #topic Actions from last meeting
18:45 cait so I am moving on to Actions from last meeting
18:45 jcamins Agreed.
18:45 cait I think we won't come to a decision about that atonight
18:45 cait ok
18:45 JDatTeTakere We're currently working on some improvements for Kete but would certainly love to be involved in Koha ones.
18:44 wahanui OK, slef.
18:44 slef wahanui: HLT is Horowhenua Library Trust http://www.library.org.nz
18:44 wahanui slef: I forgot hlt
18:44 slef wahanui: forget HLT
18:44 wahanui ...but hlt is Horowhenua Library Trust...
18:44 slef wahanui: HLT is Horowhenua Library Trust http://www.library.org.nz
18:44 wahanui hlt is Horowhenua Library Trust
18:44 jcamins hlt?
18:44 jcamins HLT is Horowhenua Library Trust
18:44 JDatTeTakere Horowhenua Library Trust
18:44 wahanui slef: I forgot hlt
18:44 slef wahanui: forget HLT
18:44 wahanui HLT are hosting it?
18:44 slef wahanui: HLT?
18:43 JDatTeTakere I was just trying to work out what HLT stood for :-)
18:43 cait but thta's to be sorted out when we have some proposal
18:43 margo if you could structure it to show that an insitution is paying for something
18:43 slef thd: giving: yes; paying for a promise of koha work: probably not.
18:43 slef cait: unless someone can get a banker to give a promise ;-)
18:43 cait I think just donating without a bill for something could be a problem for some public institutions
18:42 thd Asside from the question of the willingness of HLT, is there a problem for some organisations giving to HLT?
18:42 slef cait: I suspect that is going to suck no matter what we do and be rather unpredictable, so I wouldn't include it as a reason, based on past experience.
18:42 * cait wishes things weren't so complicated all the time
18:42 jcamins JDatTeTakere: any thoughts before HLT is volunteered?
18:42 gmcharlt cait: and potential conflicts of interest
18:41 cait and i guess being as inteantional as we are there might be difficultis of all sorts to move money around and billing
18:41 drojf thd: for one, they would have to agree to do that?
18:41 gmcharlt thd: that is an open question -- it would mean work for HLT; we certainly can't just assume
18:41 slef Is Bob our HLT contact?
18:41 tcohen crowdfunding is not the problem, but what to do
18:41 gmcharlt slef: indeed, ready, willing, *and* equipped to do so
18:40 thd Is there any problem with HLT serving as the collecting and dispersement entity?
18:40 davidnind s/be free software Google Analytics alternative
18:40 slef gmcharlt: or ask HLT if it would process them.
18:40 davidnind Piwik (Google Analytics) has successfully used crowdfunding for new features. See: http://crowdfunding.piwik.org/
18:40 cait gmcharlt: or join one
18:40 gmcharlt or consider an approach where somebody comes up with a plan to do such a project, then seeks funding?
18:39 tcohen I belive the main problem is the choice of some framework
18:39 gmcharlt for example, should we form an entity that is empowered to collect and distribute funds (or join an exisiting umbrella organization for F/OSS projects)?
18:39 jcamins The idea seems good in theory. The problem is just the lag time on any sort of large refactoring. Patch A depends on patch B depends on patch C, and each one takes a long time to get in, so we may end up making very little progress.
18:38 gmcharlt one general thought -- there would be some legalities to consider
18:38 slef I should find the video of my awful kohacon12 talk ;)
18:38 cait maybe we can gather some gneeral thoughts on that?
18:37 * druthb is headed out to other engagements. be well, all.
18:37 cait #topic Crowdfunding for big boring improvements (see agenda)
18:37 cait ok next toic
18:37 cait so just checking
18:37 cait oleonard: I had a pm from him earlier :)
18:36 oleonard magnuse said he wouldn't be here
18:36 cait tcohen: I have been pondering that
18:36 dpavlin_ so we would have biblio in any format, what about items?
18:36 tcohen yes: can we vote for gmcharlt so he can't run away?
18:36 cait magnuse: you around?
18:36 cait any more questions?
18:36 cait ok
18:36 thd gmcharlt++++
18:35 cait gmcharlt++ sounds interesting for sure!
18:35 thd gmchart: The arbitrary format issue is the answer to my question.
18:35 druthb gmcharlt++
18:35 bag heh
18:35 bag death to MARC!
18:35 gmcharlt that's EASILY a decade away
18:35 gmcharlt druthb: correct, and to be clear: the proposal is not to remove MARC support from Koha
18:35 gmcharlt more generally, to take advantage of the capacities of the current search engine options to index arbitrary XML
18:35 druthb no one is saying get rid of MARC handling, right, gmcharlt? There seems to be confusion over that.
18:34 gmcharlt in particular (to start), qualified Dublin Core and (if the tuits appear) EAD
18:34 gmcharlt thd: it's pretty simple, at least in theory: I would like Koha to be able to treat metadata formats other than MARC21 as first-class options for data entry, search, and indexing
18:33 wahanui i think gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
18:33 cait gmcharlt?
18:33 thd I mean of course very briefly.
18:33 cait thd: I think this kind of question takes a longer time to be answered
18:33 thd I would like gmcharlt to clarify any thoughts he has about post-MARC Koha
18:32 thd Yes
18:32 cait any questions about the roles?
18:32 cait ok, so no voting
18:32 cait ColinC: heh
18:31 oleonard It's later there.
18:31 oleonard drojf is in Kazakhstan starting his bratwurst cart business cait
18:31 druthb ColinC++
18:31 slef nancyk: will do.
18:31 ColinC I had the virtual white smoke ready
18:31 nancyk send them to me nkeener@washoecounty.us
18:30 cait drojf: it's not even 8
18:30 drojf kidding
18:30 drojf and i stayed up all night? man
18:30 cait maybe we shoudl make it an early april meeting then
18:30 jcamins We are not.
18:30 cait I guess there was some confusion
18:30 bag no voting today
18:30 drojf we are not voting today?
18:30 bag yep April
18:30 slef oh the form has been edited out of the kohacon12 registration page
18:30 gmcharlt yep
18:30 jcamins From February 6: vote for release team is in two meetings time (wizzyrea, 02:42:38)
18:30 bag probably just a - hey we need some volunteers in the next 8 months :P
18:29 cait ah, because I think it was advertised somewhere that we will vote today
18:29 bag I don't think it's bad to talk about it now - the more choice we have or the more people thinking about hosting next one the better :)
18:29 jcamins Apparently we are voting at the April meeting.
18:28 cait ok, not to sound silly, but are we going to vote tonight?
18:28 slef nancyk: I have the admin open, so can do it if you prefer.
18:28 nancyk I will fix the registration page.
18:28 cait i think now starts the main event for tonight?
18:28 cait #topic Roles for 3.14
18:28 cait but zagreb would certainly be nice :)
18:28 druthb dooo eeet
18:27 cait so if we don't have something to vote or discuss right now - I am going to move on :)
18:27 slef cait: I think I saw a few come in. I was going to check when things quietened down (hah!)
18:27 cait ok
18:26 cait slef: lotsof registrations? :)
18:26 slef someone check RecentChanges. I'm up to my eyeballs in website
18:26 jcamins And I don't know who put it on the agenda either.
18:26 jcamins That leaves us several months, since KohaCon13 is in October.
18:26 jcamins I think what we've heard from previous organizers is that having extra time to think is a good idea, so that there could be some sort of planning discussion at the previous year's KohaCon.
18:25 slef nancyk: it looks like someone has edited the kohacon12 registration form, but left them coming to the co-op. Should I change the recipient address and forward the forms over? Can you /msg slef the email address, please?
18:25 tcohen ;-)
18:25 gmcharlt I think it's a little early, unless there are folks eager to start proposing sites
18:25 * jcamins cheers! Zagreb for KohaCon14!
18:24 drojf aaaw
18:24 dpavlin_ hi all, not to hijack KohaCon14 topic :-)
18:24 drojf please propose for kohacon 14 :P
18:24 drojf hi dpavlin_
18:24 cait hi dpavlin_ :)
18:24 drojf slef: no i perfectly understand that
18:24 dpavlin_ #info Dobrica Pavlinušić, FFZG Zagreb, Croatia (sorry, late)
18:24 cait not sure who added it to the agenda
18:23 cait #topic KohaCon14
18:23 nancyk yes
18:23 cait and thank you for the update!
18:23 drojf jitsi even
18:23 cait nancyk: ok to change topic?
18:23 slef I hope drojf doesn't mind, but I'd prefer live speakers if you can.
18:23 drojf i was more thinking of jitsy
18:23 slef for the live Q+A
18:22 tcohen thanks nancyk
18:22 slef playback was easy, but I was using a GSM phone with a headphone jack into the PA
18:22 slef oh wow you don't want to know
18:22 drojf and try a live hello/q&a afterwards
18:22 nancyk No deadlines yet
18:21 drojf jcamins: yeah that is probably more safe
18:21 bag nancyk++
18:21 tcohen do we have some deadline regarding kohacon13 participation?
18:21 jcamins drojf: a prerecorded talk seemed to work for last time. Perhaps slef can advise nancyk on how he set that up.
18:21 nancyk That's all I have for now
18:20 nancyk we can certainly try.
18:20 bag nancyk: panels should be fine
18:20 drojf nancyk: will it be possible to do a streaming presentation? i might consider doing that, but i will 99,9% sure not be able to come to reno
18:19 cait oleonard: maybe some conceptual ideas to get some feedback from libraries?
18:19 nancyk #info I would like to set up some panel discussions … what would be good?
18:19 slef drojf: o_O
18:19 thd oleonard: ui magic show :)
18:19 drojf :P
18:19 nancyk #info We have a meeting next week on Tues 19th 19 UTC, I’ll send out a reminder.
18:19 drojf i know
18:19 slef drojf: 12, not 13
18:19 drojf slef: noooo
18:18 oleonard I would like to present at KohaCon2013 if anyone has good ideas for what kind of front-end/UI stuff might be of interest
18:18 * slef goes to close the kohacon12 registration forms
18:18 bag perhaps include a deadline for submissions for talks?
18:18 jcamins #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13/
18:18 cait nancyk++ :)
18:18 nancyk #info I will send out an email calling for papers, and asking for subjects we would like to see covered. This email will also include links to register, volunteer to do a program, and other stuff.
18:17 slef oleonard: is a bug. Was hoping to smoke out someone to review the fix ;-)
18:17 cait nancyk? :)
18:17 nancyk #info We have 18 people registered so far, 6 programs proposed, we need more.
18:17 cait #topic KohaCon2013
18:17 slef cait: as you wish.
18:17 cait yep
18:17 oleonard File a bug, discuss after the meeting
18:17 cait maybe that is better for after the meeting?
18:16 slef cait: it's a major bug in master, so sort of.
18:16 cait slef: is your question related to 3.12?
18:16 cait so I would like to move on :)
18:16 jcamins Unless there are more questions.
18:16 slef any javascript gurus around?
18:16 cait ok
18:16 jcamins And that's all I have to say.
18:16 cait I saw some weridness in presenting koha today... will try to track these things down and check
18:16 jcamins 3.14 is coming out in November, so anything that gets bumped shouldn't be waiting too long.
18:15 drojf rock-solid++
18:15 jcamins I'd love to see more enhancements and features go in, of course, but our goal is a rock-solid release.
18:15 jcamins Absolutely bugfixes.
18:15 wahanui bugfixes are still fair game
18:15 jcamins Bugfixes.
18:15 cait but you didn't ask me :)
18:15 jcamins #info If you are in doubt about whether or not an enhancement/feature is eligible for 3.12, it isn't.
18:15 wahanui bugfixes are still fair game
18:15 cait bugfixes
18:15 slef jcamins: what would you like us to prefer? Bugfixes or enhancements?
18:14 cait jcamins: your call :)
18:14 jcamins So, basically:
18:14 jcamins cait: yes. And I will tend to err on the side of "it's a rewrite."
18:14 cait slef: most new features probably not marked correctly
18:14 cait i think we have to decide in some cases if it's a rewrite or QA follow up
18:14 drojf ok that is what i meant
18:14 slef there are 84 enhancements and 1 new feature Needs Signoff
18:14 jcamins And QA follow-ups/revisions are allowed during the slush.
18:13 slef cait: it's usually the priests to blame and the pope just hushes it up.
18:13 jcamins drojf: follow-ups fixing bugs in features already pushed will be accepted post-freeze.
18:13 slef #info Any feature or enhancement that has not been pushed by March 22 *IS NOT GOING INTO KOHA 3.12*
18:13 cait i got distracted by the pope :)
18:13 drojf jcamins: that includes followups?
18:13 cait thx slef
18:13 jcamins Any feature or enhancement that has not been pushed by March 22 *IS NOT GOING INTO KOHA 3.12*.
18:13 slef #info Feature slush is March 15, freeze starts March 22
18:12 slef #info 2 blockers, 23 critical, 84 major, 280 normal, 82 minor, 17 trivial, 496 enhancements, 11 new features
18:12 jcamins Feature freeze starts March 22.
18:12 slef (23 critical, 84 major, 280 normal, 82 minor, 17 trivial, 496 enhancements, 11 new features)
18:12 jcamins Any patch for a feature or enhancement that has not already been submitted by Friday *IS NOT GOING INTO KOHA 3.12*.
18:12 cait drojf: oh, white smoke
18:12 jcamins Feature slush is March 15.
18:11 cait I think we might go through a bunch of bugs next week - probably some need updating
18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
18:11 wahanui bug 9591 is a weird one
18:11 slef bug 9591
18:11 jcamins On the subject of the schedule, I would like to remind people of a few key dates.
18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9324 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Reserves cannot be deleted with DEBUG on under Plack
18:11 slef bug 9324
18:11 slef jcamins: so 2 blockers
18:11 drojf oleonard: intransparency galore
18:10 jcamins slef: version master.
18:10 oleonard drojf: Was that on the agenda? And no vote?
18:10 jcamins Better not be me!
18:10 slef jcamins: should I be looking at Version 3.12 or Version master in bugs?
18:10 drojf sorry ^^
18:10 cait we do?
18:10 drojf aaand we have a pope
18:10 jcamins I also plan to release an alpha tarball/package at the start of the feature flush, and a beta a few days after the feature freeze.
18:10 tcohen jcamins++
18:10 cait maybe after hackfest would be a good time?
18:10 gmcharlt jcamins++
18:09 jcamins When that will happen exactly I couldn't say, but I do plan on writing one.
18:09 cait jcamins++
18:09 cait jcamins
18:09 jcamins I've been thinking about writing a belated RM newsletter.
18:08 cait jcamins: ? :)
18:08 jcamins Koha 3.12 is still on schedule.
18:08 cait #topic Update on 3.12
18:08 jcamins Fine by me.
18:08 gbengaadara #info Olugbenga Adara, Projektlink Konsult
18:08 * slef checks bugs
18:08 cait I guess it's best we move on to 3.12?
18:08 JDatTeTakere #info JD/Joanne Dillon, Te Takere
18:08 cait heh
18:08 jcamins Seemingly not.
18:08 edveal #info Ed Veal, ByWater Solutions
18:08 cait I think rmaint is not here?
18:07 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
18:07 melia #info melia meggs, bywater solutions (late, sorry)
18:07 cait #topic Update on 3.8
18:07 cait moving on
18:07 cait ok
18:07 libsysguy anywho, that's all I have
18:06 libsysguy domain_names_on_sale++
18:06 libsysguy and have an arrangement to transfer them to HLT
18:06 thd OK
18:06 libsysguy I bought a gamut of koha based names a month or so ago
18:06 drojf slef: yay :D
18:05 libsysguy 2013-04-03 00:00:00
18:05 thd libsysguy: Which names?
18:05 slef drojf: #include <jokes/time/laggy/usa>
18:05 cait ok :) any questions about this or further announcements?
18:05 libsysguy I can put it in DT format if you wish
18:05 libsysguy heh
18:05 drojf in europe
18:05 drojf :P
18:05 drojf that was days ago
18:05 wahanui 2006
18:05 slef 2013-04-03
18:04 libsysguy that is as soon as I can release them
18:04 libsysguy I am still planning on donating the domain names to HLT as of 4/3/2013
18:04 cait yes?
18:04 libsysguy I forgot to attache it
18:04 libsysguy only one from me
18:04 cait do we have announcements or amendments to the agenda?
18:04 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England
18:03 cait #topic Announcements
18:03 cait going to change the topic :)
18:03 cait ok :)
18:03 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions
18:03 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina
18:03 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd
18:03 margo #info Margo Duncan, University of Texas at Tyler
18:03 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, New Zealand
18:03 nancyk #info Nancy Keener, Washoe County, Reno Nevada
18:03 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
18:03 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions
18:03 margo #Margo Duncan University of Texas at Tyler
18:03 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
18:02 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
18:02 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, Houston Tx, QAA 3.12
18:02 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, TM 3.12, speaking for m'self.
18:02 cait ok :) Welcome all - please introduce yourself with #info
18:02 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin
18:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:02 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, Equinox Software
18:02 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM for 3.12
18:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
18:02 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba
18:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:02 cait #topic Introductions
18:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting'
18:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
18:02 huginn Meeting started Wed Mar 13 17:59:33 2013 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:02 cait #startmeeting Koha IRC Meeting
18:02 libsysguy did it actually start the meeting
18:02 drojf cait: there was an error. is that usual?
18:02 cait ah sorry
18:02 gmcharlt cait: hold on - you need to redo the #startmeeting
18:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:02 cait #topic introductions
18:02 jcamins thd: yes, patches are welcome. Now we have a meeting.
18:02 tcohen hi cait
18:02 cait please introduce yourself with #info
18:01 cait Welcome all :)
18:01 thd jcamins: Many files need a header patch which specifies their source license and not GPL 3+.
18:01 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
18:01 huginn cait: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
18:01 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:01 cait #startmeeting
18:01 drojf yay cait
18:01 jcamins Yes please!
18:01 gmcharlt cait++
18:01 drojf People Present (lines said) * thd (22)
18:01 cait if you want me to
18:01 cait i can
18:00 jcamins thd: patches are always welcome.
18:00 wahanui chairing is easy with meetingbot :)
18:00 jcamins Who is chairing?
18:00 thd Bug 9440 is inadequate description of what ought to change but it will satisfy for the moment.
17:59 wahanui davidnind: that doesn't look right
17:59 davidnind Change to GPL 3 agreed at 5 December 2012 meeting - http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-12-05-18.05.txt
17:58 thd I will have to check the logs.
17:58 thd Maybe I was at a different meeting from other people or was disconnected without realising.
17:57 tcohen [off] http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e10-insheeption
17:56 oleonard Boom.
17:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9440 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , update Koha's LICENSE file from GPL2 to GPL3
17:56 oleonard Bug 9440
17:55 thd I know that it is not on today's agenda.
17:55 cait yep
17:55 jcamins So the license discussion is not on the agenda.
17:55 jcamins We did. Then we voted at the following meeting.
17:55 thd I had understood that we voted to have the vote at the following meeting.
17:54 drojf invoteception
17:54 jcamins We voted to vote to vote, we voted to vote, and we voted.
17:54 oleonard I don't think that's right thd. We voted in the meeting.
17:54 drojf i remember voting on something
17:54 jcamins thd: we voted three times.
17:53 thd jcamins: We had scheduled a vote which never occurred.
17:53 cait hi cjh :)
17:53 cait :)
17:53 cait which is quite awesome isn't it?
17:53 jcamins thd: we have done so.
17:53 oleonard thd: I needed GPL3 to be able to include the Bootstrap library, which we are now doing.
17:53 cjh good morning
17:53 cait we decided to update the koha license
17:52 thd oleonard: What happened to your need for including Apache 2 licensed code and hence GPL 3 or AGPL 3?
17:52 drojf so maybe it is chicken bratwurst
17:52 drojf the internet says the english equivalent to the grube proverb is "Curses, like chickens, come home to roost."
17:52 cait marcelr++ btw
17:51 drojf there is "wer anderen eine grube gräbt, fällt selbst hinein". i think that is some kind of nonsense variation
17:51 cait no sure the chair will allow that
17:51 oleonard It may be postponed for more bratwurst jokes.
17:51 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
17:51 cait interesting
17:50 druthb yis
17:50 cait is the meeting in 13 mins?
17:50 jcamins cait: apparently the device is unnecessary in that case.
17:50 cait can't he fry bratwurst for himself?
17:50 cait something like that
17:50 drojf a person who fries bratwurst for others has a bratwurst frying device
17:49 jcamins A person who fries bratwurst has a bratwurst frying device?
17:48 drojf bratwurstfryingdevice. as you know german can build words as long as you like. i don't konow who came up with that one, i remember it from irc quit messages from ages ago
17:48 jcamins Google translate has no explanation.
17:47 jcamins bratwurstbratgerät?
17:47 cait no; didn't know that one yet
17:47 cait lol
17:46 drojf cait: do you know "wer anderen eine bratwurst brät, der hat ein bratwurstbratgerät"? now i know what that is
17:46 jcamins It is!
17:45 drojf it's fantastic, isn't it :D
17:45 * jcamins can't stop giggling over the idea.
17:45 cait quite light for such an incredible device
17:44 cait and only 7kg...
17:44 jcamins cait: and it uses metre-gauge bratwurst rather than standard gauge bratwurst.
17:43 cait these crazy germans...
17:43 oleonard cait: drojf is recruiting us all to his new business venture: http://www.wursttoaster.com/en/toaster_ueberblick.php
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9812 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Several files shouldn't be exposed or browseable through a URL
17:42 tcohen bug 9812
17:41 drojf lol yeah. "It is especially created for the sausage toaster, achieving shorter grilling times and having greater taste with less fat. "
17:40 oleonard You gotta have the right gauge brats right?
17:39 drojf omg and you need a special bratwurst. which they sell. hahahahaha that is the best thing ever
17:38 drojf maybe i'll write a book about it too. "the bratwurst opportunity". from bratwurst toaster to millionaire
17:37 jcamins If it's worth doing, it's worth doing with lots of chrome.
17:37 drojf koha workshop and bratwurst sale, what can possibly go wrong?
17:36 drojf "Who can benefit from toasting sausages? Any customer facing business seeing an opportunity to earn money by including Bratwurst into its sales and marketing channels. "
17:36 drojf german wurst engineering!
17:34 jcamins drojf: wow, yeah, you're right.
17:34 drojf only in germany... http://www.wursttoaster.com/en/toaster_ueberblick.php
17:28 libsysguy woot
17:28 * libsysguy made it back in time for the meeting
17:27 jcamins Excellent!
17:26 drojf nice. a german court ruled pro LGPL, violater has to pay 15000€ for the use of some library in his closed software
17:25 jcamins tcohen: might as well disable idnexes.
17:24 wahanui rumour has it anyone is free to organize one at any time :-)
17:24 tcohen anyone?
17:22 tcohen jcamins, is -Indexes relevant or just forbidding modules/xslt/includes would be enough for a quick fix?
17:21 oleonard Looks like it sorts on the first item, but doesn't show the items in the same order as they are when it determines which is first
17:20 druthb Please Recycle Noisy Gits?
17:20 gmcharlt pseudorandom number generator
17:19 oleonard Please Restrain Nervous Giggling?
17:18 gmcharlt ;)
17:18 * gmcharlt secretly installs trigger to reshuffle rows every time items is updated
17:18 jcamins gmcharlt: PRNG.
17:17 gmcharlt what determines first?
17:17 jcamins oleonard: whichever is first.
17:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add sorting to lists
17:17 oleonard How does Bug 9458 choose which item's call number to sort on?
17:17 nancyk thanks
17:17 jcamins I should decide what I'm proposing to talk about.
17:16 jcamins nancyk: yeah, I will put in a proposal.
17:16 jcamins oleonard: oh.
17:16 nancyk Wanna do a presentation anyway?
17:16 oleonard I think that's a timing question, not a role question jcamins ;)
17:16 jcamins gmcharlt put in a proposal to be sacrificial lamb^H^H RM
17:16 jcamins No!
17:15 nancyk Will you be RM this October?
17:14 jcamins That's how I ended up RM.
17:14 drojf lol
17:14 nancyk that woke me up!
17:14 jcamins This is true.
17:13 oleonard Remember, people who sleep through meetings get elected for things.
17:11 jcamins Hehe.
17:11 nancyk not enough coffee yet.
17:11 jcamins nancyk: you had cookies too?
17:10 nancyk zzzzzzzz
16:58 jcamins drojf: agreed.
16:57 * oleonard lets the internet do his figuring for him
16:57 drojf it won't take too long with less folk too :P
16:57 oleonard http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+IRC+General+Meeting&iso=20130313T18
16:56 drojf i wouldn't mind it to be now though
16:56 drojf 18utc is 19 here, that is in an hour
16:56 nancyk hate figuring UTC
16:56 * druthb showed up because she is awake and otherwise unoccupied.
16:55 jcamins drojf: I thought it was, but druthb and nancyk just showed up, so I figure they know something I don't.
16:55 druthb It is in an hour, yes.
16:55 drojf huh? it's in an hour, isn't it?
16:54 jcamins Fortunately I'm here either way.
16:54 jcamins Hm. I guess I had the time wrong.
16:31 drojf and i ate all cookies already. zzZZzz
16:29 * drojf should have waited with searching the wiki for a minute
16:29 drojf thanks :)
16:28 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013
16:28 jcamins I think 1:35.
16:28 drojf no link? aaaw
16:28 wahanui meeting is at 6, so I need to leave in about two and a half hours.
16:27 drojf meeting?
16:22 jcamins Exactly, only, the opposite.
16:22 oleonard and we should assign the hard bugs to you?
16:22 oleonard ?
16:22 oleonard jcamins: So what you're saying is that you'll probably do lots of volunteering
16:21 jcamins Good.
16:21 jcamins Is anyone confused?
16:19 rambutan AM bag
16:18 bag morning all :)
16:18 * jcamins clarifies his position on 3.14, just in case anyone was confused.
16:03 rambutan hi oleonard
16:03 oleonard Hi #koha
15:50 * jcamins would push a patch providing a quick fix.
15:49 tcohen 2) you're 100% right a proper solution would be removing the templates from htdocs
15:49 tcohen 1) there's a DirectoryMatch block that could provide a quick fix
15:48 jcamins *xslt
15:48 jcamins tt/xml
15:48 jcamins If you think about it, anything that isn't tt doesn't get translated anyway.
15:47 jcamins The actual solution is to move the tt out of htdocs.
15:47 jcamins I'm not sure.
15:47 tcohen because of the language thing...
15:46 tcohen is it possible to match Directory blocks using regexps?
15:46 tcohen hmmm
15:44 jcamins It'd be easy to fix.
15:44 jcamins tcohen: I've thought about that, and decided I don't care.
15:44 tcohen and the rest of the template stuff not browseable
15:43 tcohen I think tt files shouldn't be accesible
15:43 tcohen we have a problem: http://ffyh.biblio.unc.edu.ar/opac-tmpl/prog/es-ES/modules/kohaerror.tt
15:43 jcamins But I'd rather someone else did the removing.
15:42 jcamins tcohen: me too!
15:38 * tcohen wants to remove NoZebra and be sure no cruft remains
15:13 magnuse ah
15:12 jcamins magnuse: still requires the code to be run.
15:10 magnuse would Devel::NYTProf be any use?
15:09 jcamins tcohen: we do not do static code analysis.
15:09 tcohen it is not a static code analysis tool
15:09 tcohen it relies on the Unit tests then
15:08 libsysguy I think a lot of Devel::Cover depends on what tests are available
15:08 tcohen is there info around to run it for my current checkout?
15:07 magnuse the jenkins thing is "Generated by Devel::CoverReport"
15:07 tcohen Devel::Cover, exactly
15:07 magnuse tcohen: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1075/HTML_Report/?
15:06 libsysguy Devel::Cover?
15:06 tcohen I want to check if a function/method is ever used (at least) in a fancier way than grep
15:05 magnuse jenkins does that, i think
15:05 magnuse test coverage?
15:04 tcohen do we have a coverage tool for the Koha code available?
15:00 libsysguy hia magnuse
14:59 magnuse hiya libsysguy
14:58 libsysguy morning everyone
14:47 magnuse lots of rain on sunday it seems http://www.yr.no/place/France/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te_d%E2%80%99Azur/Marseille/long.html
14:46 magnuse and not too much wind
14:46 magnuse paul_p: yeah, a little sunshine helps
14:46 paul_p last sunday, it was 16-17, and we had lunch in the garden
14:46 magnuse and paul_p++ for adding to the agenda - good since it seems both of us might iss the meeting
14:46 paul_p 10°0... if you're outside, under the sun, it feels much more than this
14:46 magnuse paul_p: my wife will be glad to hear that, she is freaking out a bit about the temperatures... :-)
14:45 paul_p (well, for ppl coming to Marseille next week ;-) )
14:45 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 10.0°C (3:30 PM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
14:45 paul_p @wunder Marseille
14:45 paul_p just FYI : the northen half of France is under snow, but, fortunatly, Marseille is on the south, the weather is really good
14:44 paul_p magnuse = done (on the wiki page http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013#Crowdfunding_for_big.2C_boring_improvements.3F)
14:44 drojf a job meeting i would prefer sleeping
14:44 jcamins Yes.
14:44 jcamins drojf: oh, that meeting.
14:44 drojf jcamins: i thought i am supposed to vote for koha people ;)
14:43 * magnuse needs to set some cookies from dancer
14:43 jcamins And is that a bad thing?
14:43 drojf too much now-cookies could lead to meeting-sleep though
14:42 drojf i need cookies. probably now-cookies and meeting-cookies
14:41 * drojf wonders what special butter recipes norwegians use
14:41 jcamins If Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next books didn't predate the crisis, I would've said he changed "butter" to "cheese" and just wrote about the crisis in his novels.
14:40 jcamins ...
14:40 drojf magnuse: secret french butter? :D
14:39 jcamins Almost $100 a pound!
14:38 magnuse i think the crisis was smaller than last winter... :-)
14:38 magnuse drojf: gah! this winter we apparently had butter produced in france, but after norwegian recipies, and there was no talk about it in the media, which was kind of weird
14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add sorting to lists
14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Simplify local use preferences
14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9035 trivial, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , remove deprecated 'bulkauthimport.pl' file
14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9784 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , koha-shell missing from koha-common man page
14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 4
14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 3
14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9695 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use alphabet system preference on page used to browse patrons for patron card batches
14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap
14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 2
14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup
14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists
14:36 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9760: Simplify local use preferences
14:36 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9035 - delete bulkauthimport.pl
14:36 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: bug 9784: add koha-shell to the koha-common man page
14:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9695 - Use alphabet system preference on page used to browse patrons for patron card batches
14:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9647 - Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap
14:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1075: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1075/
14:35 drojf that reminds me of the great norwegian butter crisis
14:35 jcamins Actually, I still have two pounds left after using this stick of butter.
14:34 jcamins magnuse: ah, right.
14:34 drojf mailorder butter
14:34 jcamins All the muffin recipes I've used in the past have used oil and not butter.
14:34 magnuse jcamins: with more butter that you get from the closest shop?
14:33 jcamins If I use an entire stick of butter on the muffins, how will I make the cookies?
14:33 magnuse jcamins: sounds like a good start?
14:33 jcamins A half cup of butter?!?
14:33 jcamins Maybe I'll try that one.
14:32 jcamins cookiemadness.net has a recipe.
14:32 drojf heh
14:32 magnuse gah, for a moment there i thought someone else had made the patch :-)
14:32 drojf or i am too stupid
14:32 drojf the wiki way minus all the errors does not work
14:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Wrong name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
14:32 magnuse bug 9804
14:32 jcamins :)
14:32 jcamins Whatever.
14:32 jcamins Not a patch.
14:32 jcamins There's a bug.
14:32 drojf still i wonder how to set up dom
14:32 jcamins Oh.
14:32 * magnuse created a bug but not a patch...
14:32 jcamins :)
14:31 drojf ah, alright
14:31 jcamins drojf: yeah, there's a patch for it.
14:31 drojf magnuse: did you see what i wrote about the normarc indexdef files?
14:31 jcamins I have _okay_ muffin recipes, but no recipes that make you say "wow! This is the best muffin recipe ever!"
14:31 jcamins I just don't have one.
14:30 * gmcharlt watches for suitably horrified expressions on the night owls
14:30 jcamins I need a good muffin recipe.
14:30 gmcharlt indeed not ;)
14:30 jcamins It's hardly early at all, then.
14:30 jcamins Huh.
14:30 jcamins 7:26?
14:29 gmcharlt no, 7:26
14:29 jcamins Hmmm... I guess only 6:26.
14:29 jcamins gmcharlt: isn't it absurdly early where you are?
14:29 tcohen heh
14:29 gmcharlt jcamins: don't worry, I haven't thought better of my decision
14:27 magnuse hehe
14:27 * jcamins considered write-protecting the Roles for 3.14 wiki page so that gmcharlt couldn't remove himself.
14:27 jcamins Yeah, I'm pretty pleased.
14:27 jcamins lol
14:26 tcohen (a.k.a freedom)
14:26 jcamins :P
14:26 jcamins Muffins and cookies.
14:26 jcamins tcohen: only two baking projects planned.
14:26 tcohen big day jcamins, ah?
14:24 * jcamins contemplates strawberry muffins.
13:52 paul_p hi magnuse
13:52 magnuse paul_p: do you think you could add some more info about the "something" you already started, to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013#Crowdfunding_for_big.2C_boring_improvements.3F ?
13:51 magnuse kia ora paul_p!
13:51 jcamins magnuse: heh. Probably.
13:50 magnuse jcamins: myshkin walking across your keyboard? ;-)
13:47 jcamins magnuse: yeah, I have no idea how I ended up with such a weird version.
13:43 magnuse jcamins: my installation of master has Version syspref = 3.1100026
13:42 * magnuse waves
13:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1075 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1073 1 day 13 hr ago)
13:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions
13:29 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6898: Increment version number
13:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8853 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , clicking basketgroup name in closed basketgroups reopens it
13:29 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6898 - circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions followup
13:29 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 6898 - circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions
13:29 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8853: Suppress links in basketgroups list
13:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1074: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1074/
13:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9458' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbbc5db7999e1ad047a78065ae72982cbcd8c16e> / Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 4 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0c58df12e7bb7e9a42abf52cc113dcb85c8002f> / Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 3 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ac83c0
13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
13:08 tcohen bug 7440
13:07 jcamins There was.
13:07 tcohen there was a bug for that, right?
13:06 jcamins tcohen: good question.
13:06 tcohen will NoZebra stuff be removed fir 3.12?
13:05 jcamins tcohen: thanks.
13:05 tcohen 3.1100027 jcamins
13:01 * drojf is not at home, no koha here
13:01 drojf but it looks cool
12:57 jcamins And that doesn't make much sense to me.
12:57 jcamins Well... 3.9901004.
12:57 jcamins Because mine is set to "weird."
12:57 jcamins If so, what is your Version syspref set to?
12:57 jcamins Is anyone running current master at the moment?
12:56 edveal Good morning
12:55 tcohen hi jcamins
12:55 jcamins tcohen: no idea, sorry.
12:53 tcohen where an I download an EDI message?
12:45 jcamins Good morning.
12:45 jcamins Okay, seems to be a data thing.
12:41 tcohen morning #koha
12:39 jcamins Bye.
12:36 magnuse sorry, gotta run
12:35 * jcamins sighs.
12:34 jcamins No, maybe not...
12:34 jcamins Almost certainly that's the culprit
12:33 jcamins Ooh. With use strict in C4/Members.pm I can trigger it first try.
12:33 * magnuse has no idea if that is relevant
12:33 jcamins Plack.
12:33 magnuse using plack or anything else fancy?
12:32 jcamins The third time I get a stack trace.
12:32 jcamins The first two times.
12:32 magnuse jcamins: wow!
12:32 jcamins Yeah, I've noticed that.
12:32 magnuse clicking on Ã… ( = Å ) gives me patrons that start with A (capital a) though...
12:31 jcamins In my case, I got a nice dramatic stacktrace.
12:31 jcamins Good.
12:31 magnuse testing here: http://head.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/member.pl?quicksearch=1&surname=%C3%98
12:30 magnuse i don't see any ill effects
12:30 magnuse how?
12:30 jcamins I don't have any, and my server still goes weird.
12:30 jcamins There needn't be any results when you click Ä.
12:29 magnuse huh?
12:29 jcamins In fact, you definitely don't.
12:29 jcamins You shouldn't need any patrons.
12:28 * magnuse enters some fake patrons
12:27 jcamins Then if nothing unexpected happens, refresh it again.
12:27 jcamins Actually, refresh it twice.
12:27 jcamins Go to the patrons module, browse to patrons with a name starting with a letter with a diacritic, and refresh the page three times.
12:26 magnuse what should i test?
12:26 magnuse jcamins: i don't have patrons myself ;-)
12:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_6898' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e5198ea47342e592ae437bdaf2dd79c96a9eaef> / Bug 6898: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffc8076d1ac9de7ce8a1b3a525797366b3f7fea1> / Bug 6898 - circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git
12:25 jcamins magnuse: I need you to test something for me: do you by any chance not have patrons with names starting with any of the Norwegian letters with diacritics?
12:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #1074 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
11:38 magnuse back
10:44 Viktor Or should we create a button for it? :)
10:44 Viktor Oh another question - is it possible to return a book from the item view?
10:43 Viktor :)
10:42 drojf i'm sorry! ;)
10:42 drojf oh
10:42 Viktor We are forced to use IE :(
10:41 Viktor Aha! Thanks.
10:41 drojf i don't remember a real problem with that in firefox. if you can't go back the page is blank and you can go forth again and find another way
10:39 Viktor Oh well.
10:39 Viktor But there are some situations where it's useful and there is no meaningful way to go back with breadcrumbs etc in the navigation.
10:38 Viktor I suspect so to drojf :)
10:37 drojf i think it is "if there is another way, use that" ;)
10:36 Viktor In Koha that is :)
10:34 Viktor Is there any known documentation of when it is ok to use the 'back' button in the browser - and when it's not ok?
10:18 drojf anyway i fail to switch from grs to dom for a package installation
09:45 drojf magnuse: are you aware that the normarc biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xml file in a package installation (i did 3.10) likely has the wrong file name? it should be biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml for the xMl, it is biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl ("koha" vs "marc" in the middle part) for the xSl.
09:32 drojf lol
09:31 rangi a conversation between one of my friends and a member of parliament
09:31 rangi https://twitter.com/metiria/status/311770325924859906
09:31 rangi drojf: i think this is awesome too
09:28 rangi yeah its very rare for something to fail at the 3rd reading
09:28 drojf nice. with those numbers it seems not very likely it won't pass in the end
09:23 rangi 2nd reading passes 77-44
09:17 magnuse bbl
08:51 mib_kqiakf I try marcdump and take a look at the output thx
08:50 cait :)
08:49 rangi heh
08:49 drojf when paul_p writes +10 i read that as biblibre shouting it alltogether
08:48 rangi pymarc and some marc gem
08:48 drojf to do whatever with marc data (if it is not "put it in the system wher eit expects that kind of data") you would want the uncompiled thing. use marcdump as rangi said and take a look at the output
08:47 rangi or python, or ruby
08:47 cait like perl
08:47 cait there are other languages with good tool for processing marc records...
08:47 rangi and c# is not an open language, so I cant really help you with that
08:47 drojf and it is not what you want
08:46 rangi hmm ... that really isnt to do with Koha
08:46 mib_kqiakf but I try processing this file in programing language like c# and I looking for help to do that
08:46 cait drojf: you are mean :P
08:46 drojf cait: i know what you mean, just kidding
08:45 drojf hehe
08:45 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
08:45 rangi we should use more marc
08:45 cait drojf: the medium it was used to be saved to... not sure how to say that
08:44 rangi and you will get it in a human readable format
08:44 drojf magnet readable catalogue? magnets, how the fuck do they catalogue :D
08:44 rangi marcdump yourfile | less
08:44 rangi run
08:44 rangi if you are on a machine that has Koha installed
08:44 cait think it was made for magnetic... something?
08:44 * cait nods
08:43 rangi the M in MARC is for Machine
08:43 cait yep
08:43 drojf at the end, in triplets, are field numbers. so you know in general that there is a 067, 480, 900, 999 and so on in your record. 999 looks like you have data from a non-koha system
08:43 rangi its not supposed to be read by a human
08:43 cait directory
08:42 mib_kqiakf this is 4 lines form file 01038nam a2200313 i 450000800410000001500180004102000150005904000150007404100130008908000260010210000340012824500890016224600810025126000290033230000260036149000190038750400120040665000320041865000360045065000240048665500180051070000490052871000260057783000190060399800100062292000310063299900130066399900480067
08:42 drojf and what are you trying to do with the fields? are you trying to learn from it (like, what fields to use), oder to edit them?
08:42 drojf mib_kqiakf: where did you get the mrc file from?
08:41 drojf or is that the second line? :D
08:41 drojf all field numbers are in the first line, with the control fields. in an order that i do not understand
08:40 drojf mib_kqiakf: the formats for humans to do that are .mrk or marcxml. mrc is a compiled file. while it should be possible to do it somehow, you will at least get severe headache.
08:40 mib_kqiakf but I don't see in this file tags
08:40 drojf cait: did you ask what is open about it? :P
08:39 rangi *cough* vapourware *cough*
08:39 cait drojf: I thik ok - there is no version to really test it yet
08:37 mib_kqiakf read file and recognize some datafileds and subfields
08:36 magnuse mib_kqiakf: what do you mean by "processing"?
08:36 mib_kqiakf I try processing marc record from file
08:36 magnuse cait: it doesn't get much better than that ;-)
08:34 alohabot Hi mib_kqiakf, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
08:33 drojf oh, about mean questions… how did kuali go? :P
08:33 drojf mib_rqwkis: it would help to know what you are trying to do
08:33 cait no mean questions and someone said something nice on twitter
08:33 drojf :)
08:32 cait bit hard to tell for me - but relieved it's over :)
08:32 cait i think it went ok
08:31 drojf and the conference? how did your talk go?
08:31 cait enjoying some quiet time before the rush
08:31 huginn cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe DE, Leipzig, Germany is -5.0°C (9:03 AM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
08:31 cait @wunder leipzig
08:31 cait snowy and cold!
08:31 drojf how is leipzig?
08:31 drojf moin cait
08:31 cait hi rangi :)
08:28 drojf (if tha tis what you are trying to do)
08:28 drojf i don't think you can recognize much in the compiled mrc file. if you plan on editing that, i think that is not really possible
08:27 mib_rqwkis I try recognize a numbers of filelds in record.mrc file
08:27 drojf mib_rqwkis: what is itthat you want to know?
08:26 rangi hi cait
08:23 rangi we wont know until you ask your question
08:23 mib_rqwkis can you help me ?
08:21 mib_rqwkis hi I need help with marc control field processing
08:19 rangi this MP is the most boring man alive
08:19 alohabot Hi mib_rqwkis, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
08:10 rangi yeah
08:08 drojf we have civil unions too but that does not give any financial plus a married couple gets. to think beyond that you would have to consider what's best for kids, but »OMG they want to have kids too???«
08:08 rangi (takes 3 readings to be passed into law)
08:08 rangi http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/HowPWorks/Laws/7/5/6/75639197bdff4a15b57eaaade358509e.htm
08:07 rangi its the 2nd reading
08:07 rangi (we have civil unions now .. but this will make total equality)
08:06 rangi not quite yet, but hopefully very soon
08:06 drojf rangi: so you live in a country that has left the middle ages? i don't :(
08:05 Joubu hi #koha
08:03 gaetan_B hello
08:03 alex_a hello rangi
08:03 rangi hi alex_a
08:03 magnuse bag: sounds like a good plan :-)
08:02 alex_a bonjour
07:54 rangi (marriage equality vote)
07:52 * rangi is watching history unfold on parliamentary tv
07:47 reiveune hello
07:39 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -3.6°C (8:13 AM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
07:39 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:35 bag :)
07:35 bag I'm hanging with Ginny for most of the afternoon tomorrow so my wife (Sonja) can take care of a few things - so trying to get my work done tonight
07:34 bag nah just up late
07:34 magnuse bag: are you trying to get used to european time?
07:34 magnuse 10-11 degrees next week http://www.yr.no/place/France/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te_d%E2%80%99Azur/Marseille/long.html
07:33 magnuse we were hoping to meet the spring in marseille, but it doesn't look too promising at the moment, does it?
07:32 bag too cold :P
07:32 magnuse yesterday was magnificent with crisp white snow and lots of sun
07:32 magnuse yeah, it's a bit on the cold side - lovely weather though
07:32 bag -8 ouch!
07:31 christophe_c hi magnuse
07:31 bag yup lots of fog out there
07:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
07:31 magnuse @wunder boo
07:31 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 10.7°C (12:28 AM PDT on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Steady). Dense fog advisory in effect until 9 am PDT Wednesday...
07:31 bag @wunder 93102
07:31 magnuse ouch!
07:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 5.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
07:31 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:31 magnuse hiya rangi and christophe_c
07:30 christophe_c hi rangi
07:30 rangi hi christophe_c
07:30 christophe_c hello #koha
07:29 rangi hi magnuse
07:25 * magnuse waves
07:02 rangi :)
07:02 aquaghost lol, soz, gf was on comp
07:00 aquaghost xxx
07:00 aquaghost :)
07:00 aquaghost bye
06:59 aquaghost this is aquadehost
06:59 aquaghost this is not aquahost
06:59 aquaghost good thanks hows things with you
06:57 rangi not too bad, keeping busy, hows the new gig?
06:57 aquaghost how are you?
06:56 rangi hi aquaghost
06:53 aquaghost hello
06:40 bag ok heading home to walk the doggie catch you all later
06:37 druthb lol
06:27 drojf getting up≠being awake
06:27 drojf my windows was too small
06:27 drojf hahah it is :/
06:27 drojf oh, meeting today. maybe that should go in the topic?
06:25 drojf standing up at 7am. i'm getting old :D
06:25 drojf (and hi cait for the log ;)
06:25 drojf hi druthb
06:24 druthb Hi, drojf! :)
06:24 cait and bye all
06:23 cait morning drojf
06:22 drojf mrnng
06:15 dcook Morning/night all!
06:15 dcook Time for this moose to scoot.
05:38 cait mornin :)
05:38 cait :)
05:38 dcook hallo cait :)
05:37 bag hi cait
05:37 druthb hi, cait! :)
05:17 druthb :)
05:17 dcook hey druthb :)
05:16 * druthb waves to dcook
05:15 dcook Nice proposal :)
05:15 dcook gmcharlt++
05:11 mtj gmcharlt++
05:11 mtj looking forward to reading the meeting logs after, tho
05:11 mtj i cant attend tmrws meeting, will be on a bus… :/
05:10 mtj ok, gotta scoot now
05:07 bag :)
05:07 mtj bag, shes looking pretty focused
05:02 bag yeah I thought you'd get a kick out of that :)
04:58 mtj lol, just got it
04:56 bag s/a/an
04:56 bag hey I just sent you a picture of a evil wizard
04:56 bag oh bummers
04:56 mtj bag, i would really like to, but no :/
04:55 mtj aww, pretty good over here
04:55 bag hey are you planning on going to kohacon13?
04:55 bag HA
04:55 * mtj reads his screen more gooder
04:55 bag ah but hey mtj how goes it :)
04:54 mtj aah, so it is
04:54 druthb 1300 next, for me, IIRC
04:53 cjh mtj: I thought it was tomorrow morning, 7am here.
04:53 bag nice :)
04:53 huginn bag: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 35 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 35.
04:53 bag @karma bywater
04:53 bag that's better :)
04:53 huginn bag: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
04:53 bag @karma brendan
04:53 eythian you're still in the future, remember
04:53 bag nine times :P
04:53 eythian mtj: UTC
04:53 bag mtj: I think it's tomorrow?
04:53 huginn bag: Karma for "bag" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9.
04:53 bag @karma bag
04:52 mtj hey peeps, is the meeting starting in 10 mins, yeah?
04:52 huginn druthb: "rangi": 756, "oleonard": 659, "jcamins": 511, "wizzyrea": 391, "gmcharlt": 361, "cait": 356, "chris_n": 313, "paul_p": 275, "kf": 255, "sekjal": 245, "nengard": 237, "magnuse": 216, "druthb": 180, "slef": 175, "eythian": 159, "fredericd": 96, "marcelr": 79, "drojf": 74, "biblibre": 70, "hdl": 69, "mveron": 66, "mtj": 61, "hdl_laptop": 60, "tcohen": 59, and "jwagner": 54
04:52 druthb @most increased
04:52 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (750), "oleonard" (654), and "jcamins" (509). Lowest karma: "<!" (-116), "failed" (-101), and "-" (-73). You (druthb) are ranked 13 out of 2413.
04:52 druthb @karma
04:52 cjh gmcharlt++
04:48 bag I find that the further I get into a car project - the more often I have to run to autozone or something for the one special part
04:47 bag I need more toolboxs
04:40 * druthb hunts for her toolbox. Need a bigger hammer for this translation server.
04:38 druthb :P
04:37 druthb yet
04:37 bag I was never the one who said move :P
04:37 * druthb knows how to do that, but it is an *amazing* load of pain and suffering.
04:37 gmcharlt heh
04:37 druthb gmcharlt: if bag suggests moving from BZ to something else, like...oh, RT, maybe...and says he knows someone who knows how to do that, then just tell him :P
04:36 bag yeah that's a big tongue sticking out :P
04:36 druthb :P
04:26 bag sadly gmcharlt it was easier for me to search for that in my email than it was in BZ (I just have never figured out how to search in BZ - and I have an MLS too :( )
04:24 bag not easily :P
04:23 bag hmm...
04:23 bag I wonder if that would even apply right now
04:22 gmcharlt bag++
04:22 huginn 04Bug 6707: enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, pianohacker, Failed QA , Add alternative, textual MARC editor
04:22 bag ah gmcharlt http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6707
04:21 bag let me see if I can find it again
04:21 bag I saw it three years ago….
04:20 gmcharlt also, I have no idea where that code ended up
04:20 gmcharlt yeah, that's my recollection as well
04:20 bag I think he did - but it never made it to koha - since there were problems with parts of it IIRC
04:20 bag didn't pianohacker right a free-text editor before?
04:19 bag and let's have a way to import not marc :) but I'll see what magnuse has cooking in a week...
04:19 bag cool :)
04:18 gmcharlt bag: funny you should mention that ... at the very least, I'd like to port the EG free-text MARC editor to Koha
04:17 bag :D
04:17 bag you said kill MARC
04:17 bag but I much prefer
04:17 bag gmcharlt: I was hoping your RM proposal would include creating a professional catalogers interface within koha :P
03:52 eythian http://notalwaysright.com/checking-in-on-checking-out/27656
03:28 gmcharlt hi druthb
03:27 druthb Hi, gmcharlt!
03:27 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
03:27 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #150: "<libsysguy> jcamins is the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra" (added by wizzyrea at 03:07 PM, August 30, 2011)
03:27 gmcharlt @quote random
03:27 gmcharlt boo!
03:09 druthb The house is very, very empty, though.
03:08 druthb until Thursday, yah.
03:08 bag still in kansas?
03:08 druthb :P
03:06 bag :P
03:06 bag fancy seeing you in these parts :P
03:06 bag hey druthb
03:03 druthb There we go.
03:01 dcook allo druthb_away
03:01 bag heya druthb_away
03:01 dcook yay
03:01 dcook http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Delete_your_Branch
02:58 bag yeah and something like grep - which is awesome! I always forget to use. and it's simple too
02:57 rangi xargs rules
02:57 rangi i had to do that with tags when paul accidentally pushed all the biblibre tags once
02:56 dcook Should put that on the wiki...
02:55 bag back to one page :D
02:54 bag yeah that killed them
02:54 rangi will kill them
02:54 rangi git branch | grep "^ b" | xargs git branch -D
02:53 rangi then
02:53 rangi if that gives you a list of all you bug branches
02:53 bag ok rangi on it
02:53 bag I did try :P
02:53 eythian bag: why don't you try it and let us know? :)
02:53 rangi git branch | grep "^ b"
02:52 rangi try this for me
02:48 bag was hoping for b* I've got millions of old bug_xxx branches and I never do house cleaning
02:46 rangi you can do something like
02:46 rangi however
02:46 rangi dont think so
02:45 bag rangi can I do a git branch -D m* (* for wildcard)
02:01 jcamins They are delicious, BTW
01:37 eythian generally I'd say yes
01:37 dcook I've been craving coconut lately...
01:37 wizzyrea everything is better with coconut
01:37 * dcook thinks yes
01:36 jcamins Coconut... yes or no?
01:28 rangi *nod*
01:27 eythian the link probably should be fixed, though the .py one I don't think we care about.
01:27 rangi otherwise its pretty happy
01:26 rangi koha-common: py-file-not-bytecompiled /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP/acstest.py
01:26 dcook Hmm, coincidental timezones make more sense than mindreading I suppose
01:26 rangi koha-common: broken-symlink /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce -> ../../../../../../../../../tinymce2/www
01:26 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
01:26 rangi interesting
01:26 jcamins dcook: I think it's just that at 9pm I tend to be thinking about baking.
01:25 dcook jcamins: It's like you know when I'm most hungry and choose those moments to say delicious things
01:25 eythian about time I made a wheezy vm for testing builds with anyway
01:25 rangi ahh probably too new
01:25 eythian oh, doesn't work on squeeze :/
01:24 jcamins I want no-bake oatmeal cookies.
01:24 dcook At the moment, it's back to non-Koha work :(
01:24 dcook Perhaps I'll take another gander later down the track
01:24 rangi yeah
01:24 dcook intrigued = annoyed
01:24 dcook I'm intrigued that their example requires a developer key...
01:22 eythian hmm, could be handy
01:21 rangi http://jwilk.net/software/adequate <-- eythian
01:12 rangi http://www.goodreads.com/api/documentation
01:12 dcook It could be a good opportunity to look more into authentication..
01:12 rangi if you can get the oauth stuff going im happy to do the rest :-)
01:11 dcook hehe
01:11 wizzyrea haha I was going to type that.
01:11 rangi yep
01:11 rangi and it makes a koha list with them and then you can place reserves and check it every so often etc
01:11 dcook How many are in Koha, let me place holds on them
01:11 wizzyrea ^ would be wicked
01:11 dcook Agreed
01:11 rangi how many are in this koha
01:10 rangi on goodreads
01:10 rangi id like you to be able to go heres my list of must reads
01:10 rangi but yeah, being able to do a bit more
01:10 dcook But limited, I see what you're saying
01:10 rangi easy peasy
01:10 rangi and it would show up on the detail page
01:10 rangi you could throw the html widget into the social network stuff
01:10 dcook Or from the search results
01:10 dcook Mmm, that would certainly be more convenient
01:10 rangi or from your cart
01:09 rangi yeah the widget is easy, but kinda naff, the value comes in being able to it from you koha lists etc
01:07 dcook I don't know if it's ideal, but it does look pretty simple
01:07 dcook Hmm, the widget looks like it uses an iframe
01:01 rangi ill probably do it someday when i can face trying to make oauth not be an insecure crap pile again :)
01:00 dcook Fair enough
01:00 rangi adn requires you to have a goodreads account of course :), reviews are free
00:59 bag oh nice rangi
00:59 rangi but you cant do add to my books without oauth
00:58 rangi it might be
00:58 dcook That might just be personal bias, but I personally don't read reviews. I use the lists and that's where I see the real value of goodreads.
00:57 dcook I think the Add to my Books widget would be pretty nice as well
00:57 rangi i might send a patch for the reviews stuff
00:56 rangi which is balls
00:56 rangi and uses OAuth
00:56 wizzyrea rangi++
00:56 rangi the rest of their api is kinda clunky
00:56 rangi you can pull in reviews without needing an api key, that pulls them in via isbn number
00:55 dcook ?
00:55 rangi https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/8550215249/in/photostream
00:54 dcook rangi: O_O
00:54 dcook Not as bad I thought it would be, but still not very fun
00:54 rangi bag: i already did goodreads
00:54 dcook When I was house hunting this year, it was around 43-46
00:54 dcook Ugh..
00:54 wizzyrea mental.
00:54 wizzyrea yea, highest we saw last summer was 43ish
00:53 dcook Saskatchewan can get into the high 30s and it's considerably farther north
00:53 dcook I suppose I shouldn't be surprised
00:53 dcook It gets to 40+ in Kansas?
00:50 wizzyrea 20C instead of 40+
00:50 wizzyrea but nowhere near as hot of course.
00:50 wizzyrea yea, been a bit weird - much like the summer we had last year in kansas, just day after day of sunny weather.
00:49 dcook Sunny today though :)
00:48 wizzyrea looks like rain this weekend though
00:47 ibeardslee yes an unusually warm, sunny and dry summer in Wellington
00:46 dcook Mind you, this year my current house is probably even worse in terms of weather-proofing, but at least I have a few things reasonably thick so I don't freeze (errr chill) to death
00:46 dcook I wasn't exactly prepared clothing-wise and my apartment was dreadful.
00:45 dcook I wasn't a huge fan of Sydney winter last year..
00:45 dcook Neato :)
00:45 wizzyrea yep
00:45 dcook This is your first year in Wellington?
00:44 wizzyrea though they tell me this summer wasn't exactly typical
00:44 wizzyrea (yet)
00:44 * wizzyrea can't speak to the nature of wellington winters
00:41 dcook Might have to work something out for later this year
00:41 dcook There was some talk last year about me coming over last year to hang out with you Catalyst folks in August, but ran out of time :/
00:40 dcook ^_^
00:40 wizzyrea you kidding? having koha people over is fun. :)
00:40 dcook Careful, I'll take you up on that offer :p
00:39 wizzyrea you can come to my house :)
00:39 dcook Koha wine fest in NZ? :D
00:38 jcamins wizzyrea: I knew that, actually. :)
00:37 wizzyrea there are some really fantastic ones in NZ
00:37 dcook Well, not that terrible things don't continue to occur here either
00:37 dcook Easy to forget about such things in these parts of the world
00:36 dcook :(
00:36 jcamins There was a particular vineyard in Georgia that had fantastic wine, but they were invaded, so that was the end of them selling wine.
00:35 dcook :D
00:35 jcamins Actually, we drink mostly German and Australian wine.
00:35 dcook The Australian wine is pretty cheap and delicious
00:34 * dcook tries to remember if he drinks foreign wine
00:34 jcamins Though not as hard as in NZ.
00:34 jcamins dcook: in the eighties it was very hard to find foreign wine.
00:34 dcook Lots of Chinese and Italian but not so much French..
00:34 dcook The only downside of being in Australia is that it's considerably more difficult to find French books...
00:25 dcook Beautiful place
00:25 dcook hehe
00:25 wizzyrea yea that's unusual ;)
00:25 wizzyrea oh, ha
00:25 wizzyrea you haven't even been able to buy one for a few years now.
00:25 dcook I mean flat screen tvs
00:24 wizzyrea if libraries still use CRT's they're really really in bad shape.
00:24 dcook flat screens all over the place and such
00:24 dcook The librarians were pretty friendly at mine the other day. It's probably one of the wealthier public libraries I've lived by I think
00:23 dcook Makes sense
00:23 bag budgets maybe
00:21 dcook Or maybe that was Oregon..
00:21 dcook I want to say that I was hearing scary things a year or two ago?
00:21 * dcook is trying to remember the status of public libraries in California
00:20 bag they are grumpy!
00:20 dcook Sad to hear bag
00:20 bag yeah Koha in general :)
00:20 dcook :(
00:20 dcook Not*
00:20 dcook Now even for them to be clients of ours. Just for them to use Koha in general
00:20 bag I try to talk with my local librarians - and they are all grumpy - so I don't bother anymore
00:20 dcook They didn't seem to know much about it, so maybe sometime I'll go in and chat to them and try to get the ear of their director
00:19 dcook The library staff I was chatting with the other day were grumping about having to use Aurora and I mentioned that I worked on Koha..
00:19 bag on both accounts :D
00:19 bag dcook: go for it! :D
00:19 dcook Then convince my local public library to switch to Koha ;)
00:19 * dcook plotted a little bit to add goodreads to Koha
00:17 dcook I would love this as well -> http://www.goodreads.com/api#atmb_widget
00:17 dcook I think it would certainly make the catalogue more interactive and relevant
00:17 bag even a I've read biblionumber :)
00:17 dcook Yeah, I was wondering what the best way to integrate it might be
00:16 dcook Mm that too
00:16 bag or even finding another book to read :)
00:16 dcook Or tracking books I've read from the library on goodreads
00:16 bag that could be a pretty cool thing to add to the memberdetail page in the opac
00:16 dcook AKA I like adding books to goodreads at the bookstore, and then looking for them in the library :p
00:15 dcook I was thinking about ways of interegrating my actual reading habits with my library experience and my bookstore experience
00:15 dcook Yeah, I took a look at the api back in...December I think
00:15 bag dcook I was just looking here --> http://www.goodreads.com/api
00:14 bag ok so you haven't heard of it either :)
00:14 * dcook hearts goodreads something fierce
00:14 dcook I would LOVE if someone has done some work on that
00:14 bag I think I have an idea to add for the hackfest next week :)
00:14 dcook I was thinking about it over the holidays
00:14 dcook O_O
00:14 bag if I missed that please fill me in :)
00:13 bag hey has anyone in here ever talked about using goodreads for reviews OR even having the export option listed among the twitter facebook etc ones ?