Time Nick Message 00:07 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now 00:07 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now 00:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1073 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1066 9 days 5 hr ago) 01:15 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 01:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1073: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1073/ 01:16 rangi sweet 01:17 wizzyrea yiippee! 01:23 eythian wahanui: the internet is http://youtu.be/iDbyYGrswtg 01:23 wahanui ...but internet is not working here properly... I may disappear... 01:23 eythian wahanui: the internet is also http://youtu.be/iDbyYGrswtg 01:23 wahanui okay, eythian. 01:23 wizzyrea eythian: had you not seen that? 01:23 eythian I had, when I watched the show, but that was ages ago 01:24 wizzyrea hehe 01:24 wizzyrea i laugh every time. 03:28 * wajasu just setup koha dev in EPIC eclipse. now i can run the site out of the iDE. 03:29 wizzyrea \o/ 03:29 * wajasu with egit in the ide, 04:10 bag oh I haven't heard of the it crowd before 04:10 bag hmm I will have to watch that 04:10 cjh bag: :o 04:10 dcook :o 04:10 bag tomorrow tomorrow 04:10 dcook To be honest, I hadn't heard of it before I moved to Sydney last year either.. 04:10 cjh bag: watch it, hurry! 04:10 bag oh I will 04:10 bag looks great 04:11 bag I'm watching baby TV - my daughter is asleep and that's the most TV I watch… ( a little monitor from another room :) ) 04:12 dcook hehe 04:12 cjh bag: naaaww 04:14 bag ok Sonja and I are going to watch the first episode right now :P 04:15 cjh \o/ 04:16 cjh less than 2 days to find an RM :o 04:16 bag two months until release of 3.12 though 04:16 bag so I guess we still have two months 04:17 cjh true :) 04:17 bag finger to nose - not it :P 04:17 bag or wait tag you are it 04:17 cjh heh 04:17 dcook I was wondering if a ByWater person might take it on :p 04:18 bag khall has been thinking about it 04:18 cjh a 3 headed bywater person? 04:18 bag one of the heads is gone now - so no more 3 header 04:18 dcook Plus I don't think the chimera was too well received 04:18 bag :P 04:18 dcook :p 04:19 dcook Are you doing the 3.8 maintaining, cjh? 04:19 cjh possibly 04:19 dcook How many releases back do we usually maintain? 04:19 cjh about as far as 3.8 :) 04:21 * dcook keeps wondering who will step up for 3.14 RM 04:22 dcook I suppose the paranoid part of my brain wonders sometimes about the future. 04:22 dcook Mind you, I've only been working on Koha for 1 year and it's heaps older than that, so... 04:22 bag we've still got time 04:23 bag I think gmcharlt was also thinking about doing it again 04:23 gmcharlt indeed 04:23 bag there he is :) 04:23 bag hiya gmcharlt 04:23 gmcharlt dcook: don't worry, an RM will appear ;) 04:23 gmcharlt hi bag 04:23 dcook hehe 04:23 cjh gmcharlt: soooooo, that RM position, eh? 04:24 bag like magic they appear :) 04:24 * dcook has an image of an RM with a long white beard and a white staff 04:24 dcook Anyone good with photoshop? 04:24 cjh RM = release mage 04:24 dcook Perhaps we could rig up an image of gmcharlt taking on a balrog 04:25 bag it's more like herding kittens than battling balrogs 04:26 dcook mew? 04:26 gmcharlt we'll have to arrange for a big bunch of QA Numenoreans to stand between the RM and the balrog ;) 04:29 dcook Cannon fodder? :p 04:30 eythian http://www.sourcemage.org/ <-- distro is related 04:35 dcook [off] is it only Tuesday? *sigh* 04:39 bag it's not even tuesday yet 04:39 dcook Hmm, perhaps living in the future does have perks...:) 04:54 dcook Hmm get_report_social_data starts with #!/bin/perl rather than #!/usr/bin/perl 04:54 dcook Typo? 05:40 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "Exploring memcached caches http://t.co/kTu1mg4jcr #kohails #egils" 06:15 dcook night #koha 07:44 reiveune hello 07:44 wahanui hola, reiveune 08:05 asaurat hi 08:05 wahanui what's up, asaurat 08:09 * magnuse waves 08:11 magnuse @wunder marseille 08:11 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 9.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 12, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 08:11 magnuse @wunder boo 08:11 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 12, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 08:12 * magnuse starts packing :-) 08:23 gaetan_B hello 08:23 wahanui hello, gaetan_B 08:45 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "adding goodreads reviews to #kohails the first draft https://t.co/z5eJuiMdYX" 09:17 magnuse rangi++ 09:47 miel euhm hi 09:49 miel is there anybody here who wants to answer a couple of general questions? 09:51 rangi easiest way to find out is to ask them 09:51 rangi ask? 09:51 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask. 09:51 rangi (as the bot says) 09:52 miel ah, well it's been 10 years since ive been on irc it feels weird :-) 09:53 miel i am looking for a solution for a comic book library 09:53 rangi do you circulate? 09:53 miel we have about 15000 comic books and are open twice a week 09:54 rangi right 09:54 miel koha looks very interesting and ive setup a testserver and are sinve one hour testing 09:55 miel i will have many questions over the next months and wanted to know how easy it is to get help if i need it 09:55 rangi you installed with the .deb packages eh? 09:55 miel yes 09:55 rangi manual? 09:55 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 09:55 miel worked out quite well 09:55 rangi thats the best place to go for help 09:55 miel printing it right now 09:56 miel but if i get stuck this would be my next stop? 09:56 rangi probably the mailing list 09:56 rangi if it's to do with using koha 09:57 miel it should be 09:57 rangi and understanding of course that any support someone will be giving up their own time to provide :-) 09:57 rangi here is a good place for asking about development 09:58 miel i understand and am grateful 09:58 rangi the main list is better for usage stuff 09:58 miel ah wel sorry for spamming then 09:58 rangi (i only mention that because we sadly get quite a few 'demanding' answers type questions) 09:58 rangi nope thats fine 09:58 rangi its just most of us on here are devs 09:58 rangi the mailing list has a lot more librarians 09:58 rangi who know using the software better 09:59 rangi you can certainly ask here, but you will probably get a better answer on the mailing list is all 09:59 rangi course if you hit a bug, or want to make a patch etc, then here is the best bet 10:00 miel ok i guess most of my questions will be directed there (unless i get in to real trouble) 10:00 miel I thank you for your time 10:01 rangi no problem 10:01 rangi feel free to add yourself to the wiki if you like 10:02 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide 10:03 miel i might do that thanks again for pointing me in the right direction 10:03 rangi (have you found the local covers feature yet? you might like to take photos of covers and attach them to the records) 10:03 rangi unless amazon or google have the covers anyway, covers make catalogue searches so much nicer :) 10:04 miel i have hardly found anything yet this is really all reconnaissance for now, 10:04 rangi cool 10:04 miel really scared of having to scan 15000 books 10:05 rangi if they have an issn or isbn then you should be able to get covers from google or amazon 10:05 rangi or openlibrary 10:05 wahanui rumour has it openlibrary is cool 10:06 miel but i will have to look at all the possibilities but i guess getting to know marc, importing the database and getting the isbn thingy linked is a good start :-) 10:06 miel ill have a look at that too 10:06 rangi yep 10:06 miel have i mentioned they are all dutch :-P 10:07 rangi hmm probably you will have to take photos .. hire a student :-) 10:07 rangi did you know the rijkmuseum run koha? 10:07 rangi hmm rijksmuseum even 10:08 miel well if anyone in our group still needs convincing i might mention that one :-) 10:08 rangi :) 10:08 miel our budget btw is also zero 10:08 rangi Marcel from there is one of the Koha QA team 10:09 rangi and eythian speaks a little dutch 10:10 miel great getting more info then i hoped for 10:10 * rangi has to go to sleep now, its 11pm here in nz 10:12 miel ok and thank you 10:26 magnuse rangi++ for being helpful 10:26 magnuse rangi: if you ever get a spare moment, bug 9256 could do with a look now ;-) 10:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 11:35 BobB @wunder Sydney NSW 11:37 BobB @wunder Sydney, NSW, Australia 11:37 huginn BobB: Error: No such location could be found. 11:37 BobB hmm, I know where it is :) 11:38 BobB @wunder Sydney New South Wales 11:38 huginn BobB: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 23.0°C (10:00 PM EST on March 12, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 11:38 BobB ...at 10.30 at night. Ugghhhh! 11:51 magnuse too hot? 11:51 magnuse @wunder boo 11:51 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (12:20 PM CET on March 12, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 11:52 magnuse BobB: we could do the average? :-) 11:54 BobB average ++ 12:12 magnuse yay 12:19 tcohen morning #koha 12:21 oleonard Hi #koha 12:37 magnuse hiya tcohen and oleonard 12:49 drojf hi #koha 13:01 oleonard We don't have a way to link to a "view" of an individual fund, but does it make sense to link individual funds to a list of all funds for that budget? http://www.screencast.com/t/GocFflZEi 13:05 edveal morning 13:05 oleonard Hi edveal 13:06 edveal Hi oleonard 13:12 magnuse oleonard: sounds like something cait would have an opinion on :-) 13:12 oleonard I know, and here we are without cait... 13:12 magnuse sigh... 13:12 oleonard We need to expand our pool of people who care about acquisitions ;) 13:13 magnuse sounds like a good idea :-) 13:13 * magnuse does not volunteer yet 13:35 oleonard Anyone who develops an opinion on linking to funds can test my alternate patch to Bug 9744 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions 13:46 oleonard jcamins around? 13:54 maximep good morning #koha 13:54 tcohen hi maximep 13:55 maximep oleonard++ for bug 9744 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions 13:56 oleonard Thanks maximep I hoped you wouldn't mind 13:57 maximep why would I mind a better patch =) 14:06 drojf i think i'm confused. when i install recent (or master) packages, it is DOM by default, not GRS-1, right? 14:09 tcohen right drojf 14:21 jcamins oleonard: yep. 14:21 jcamins How many times do I have to tell people not to send messages directly to me? 14:21 gmcharlt jcamins: that never ends 14:22 gmcharlt form letters on cheap bond paper ;) 14:22 oleonard Hi jcamins, I could use your help getting un-confused. I may have been wrong to ask you to revert Bug 9446. I did so because Bug 9647 says "pushed" but now I think it hasn't. 14:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use DataTables on Z39.50 servers administration page 14:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap 14:23 oleonard I've been wrong before though. 14:26 jcamins Hmmm. 14:26 jcamins Didn't I revert 9647 because it broke the datatables? 14:27 oleonard Did you? Then I'm creating messes all over the place :( 14:28 jcamins Let me see. 14:28 jcamins No, I never pushed it. 14:28 * drojf likes the idea of not being the only confused person around 14:28 jcamins I don't even see any evidence that I tried to push it. 14:29 jcamins Hmmm... 14:29 jcamins Possibly I wrote the message on the wrong bug? 14:36 jcamins Hm. 14:36 jcamins So... I can revert the revert, and switch that back to passed QA. 14:41 drojf how would i switch from DOM to GRS? i thought to do that to test bug 9256, but i fail to see how to do it 14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 14:42 jcamins drojf: just reverse the changes you made to switch to DOM. 14:42 drojf its a fresh installation, i did not do anything 14:42 jcamins In that case just choose GRS-1 instead of DOM. 14:43 jcamins If you're trying to install from packages, the packages don't support DOM yet. 14:43 drojf choose where? 14:43 drojf AH! 14:43 drojf now i am even more confused, but then there is nothing to test :) 14:43 drojf or, there is 14:44 drojf i could switch to dom then and test ^^ 14:44 drojf is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing still valid? 14:44 jcamins Yes. 14:45 drojf ok i'll try that. thanks 14:48 maximep anyone knows why you can't place a hold on more than 1 item fo a biblio ? Is it a missing feature or is there a good reason ? 14:49 jcamins maximep: missing feature. 14:50 maximep ok thanks 14:50 oleonard maximep: It was by design, but based on the not-always-correct assumption that items are all the same (rather than, for instance, volumes) 14:51 maximep oh, I think it's covered by bug 7710 14:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title 14:52 magnuse drojf: as far as i know, the packages use grs1 for bibs and dom for authorities 14:53 drojf omg. i think my head is going to implode 14:53 magnuse hehe¨ 14:54 magnuse blame it on the zebra... 14:55 drojf "After the line <!-- <maximumrecordsize>2000000</maximumrecordsize> -->" 14:55 drojf that line does not exist anymore. so much for "still valid" :P 14:55 jcamins drojf: oh well. 14:56 jcamins I'm kind of surprised none of the people following the instructions recently mentioned that the instructions referred to lines that didn't exist. 14:59 tcohen we don't have people qa'ing the wiki 15:00 jcamins tcohen: no, but one generally expects to hear about instructions not working when they fail to work so spectacularly. 15:00 drojf jcamins: they also did not mention that a file name was wrong and there was another error that i already fixed before i started ;) 15:00 tcohen right, that's just evidence those instructions are not being used 15:01 drojf on the other hand, i have used that at least once and don't remember any problems 15:01 magnuse tcohen: the clue to how the packages do indexing lies in the file debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in 15:02 tcohen I know magnuse! 15:03 magnuse hm, i think i meant that for drojf... 15:03 tcohen :-P 15:03 * magnuse shuts up now :-) 15:03 tcohen magnuse np! 15:04 tcohen magnuse: question about that file, does __ZEBRA_SRU_BIBLIOS_PORT__ mean that we cannot set a SRU server for each instance? 15:05 tcohen (using packages?) 15:05 jcamins tcohen: yes. 15:05 tcohen ouch 15:05 magnuse hope not! 15:05 jcamins Well, you coud by manually editing the file to use different ports. 15:05 magnuse but couldn't we have different ports for different instances? 15:05 tcohen once the instance is created 15:06 jcamins Right. Using koha-sites.conf you'd end up with the Zebras duking it out for control over the port. 15:06 tcohen yes magnuse, we should have a switch for setting that on instance creation 15:06 magnuse see also bug 9749 15:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9749 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Placeholders in koha-conf.xml generated by the Debian packages 15:06 magnuse tcohen: yup! 15:07 * jcamins thinks it would be a good idea to set up one Zebra with multiple databases. 15:08 magnuse yeah, that setting would not be a good candidate for koha-sites.conf, but just for a command line option to koha-create 15:08 magnuse jcamins: that would be cool! 15:08 magnuse (i think) 15:16 celery1 does zebra typically produce increasing verbosity. i.e., will -vvv produce more info generally w/ zebra than just -v ? 15:17 rambutan how did I get to be celery? 15:17 oleonard Crazy night last night rambutan? 15:18 rambutan well, I'm using thunderbird chat now vs xchat, and some of the minor details pinch me occasionallly 15:19 jcamins Yes, -v -v -v provides debug information whereas -v does not. 15:21 rambutan well, it should be simply a matter of increasing verbosity. I just didn't know if zebra actually, typically, produced additional worthwhile info 15:21 jcamins -v -v does nothing, as I recall. 15:22 jcamins (or is equivalent to -v, anyway) 15:37 drojf zebraidx(2643) [warn] extract error: generic 15:37 drojf quite a generic message :D 15:37 drojf i doubt anyone ever used that wiki page 15:54 rambutan If I log into my library's base opac page (which for us is "http://opac.rhcl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl", and I have items checked out, and I select one of those... 15:55 drojf magnuse: have you tried 9256 with dom (and did it work)? for me it seems not to. but then i am not 100% sure that dom is working now 15:56 rambutan it takes me to that particular item. However, there doesn't appear a way, other than using the back arrow on the browser, to return to my home/login page (http://.../opac-user.pl), where I have all the "my" stuff (my summary, my fines, my et al). 15:57 oleonard rambutan: Isn't that what the back button is for? 15:57 rambutan is this standard behavior across all the typical koha opac implementations/customizaatins? 15:57 jcamins rambutan: click on your user name in the top right. 15:57 jcamins Or name name, if it's the name name and not the user name. 15:57 rambutan jcamins: ah, yes indeed. that does it. Not terribly intuitive methinks 15:58 jcamins rambutan: that's the standard behavior for websites these days, isn't it? 15:58 jcamins That's the way Google/Yahoo/etc. do it. 15:58 rambutan I propose a button, centrally located, that says "return to home account page" 15:58 oleonard Linking the logged-in user's name to account information is widespread practice 15:59 rambutan hummm, OK 15:59 oleonard What would be nice is a link somewhere on opac-detail.pl that says "checked out to you" 16:00 jcamins USPS does it too. 16:00 jcamins Their website is not very responsive. 16:01 magnuse drojf: no, i just tried it with the package setup that comes "out of the box", i did not change indexing modes 16:01 drojf magnuse: ok then i sign off like it is and mention that somewhere as a possible follow up? 16:02 magnuse drojf: works for me ;-) 16:02 drojf the out of the box installation works, that is much more than we have now 16:02 jcamins Wow. The USPS's "mobile" website is shockingly bad. 16:05 jcamins rambutan: so would I be correct in thinking that you do not like the use of the little person silhouette up in the right corner as the user menu/profile link: http://screencast.com/t/1cJKFSlM 16:05 jcamins ? 16:12 rambutan jcamins: for larger screens the upper right is in the proverbial "back 40". I've been looking at yahoo and google, and don't think those web sites are similar enough to be comparable to the koha opac. 16:13 rambutan what I do think is more similar is a site like http://govconnection.com 16:13 rambutan The govconnection logo in the upper left is always there, and will always take you to the home page 16:15 rambutan Another, maybe better example, is amazon... 16:16 rambutan if you login, in the upper right you always see your name, and always "your account", "cart" and "wish list" 16:17 rambutan however, I'm willing to throw in the towel. It's a minor point probably not worth any further CPU cycles 16:20 jcamins rambutan: what might make sense is to add a link on opac-main on the right side bar. 16:21 jcamins Because there's the link to the home page at the top left, so the user can always get back to there. 16:24 drojf If your KOHA setup is not where your koha source code is, you must copy 16:24 drojf what is that supposed to mean? 16:25 jcamins drojf: "if you moved all the files away from where they were installed, put them back"? 16:28 reiveune1 bye 16:53 * drojf heads home 17:06 maximep is there any way to delete or mark as invalid an attachment in bz ? 17:07 maximep sent the wrong patch for bug 9549 17:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9549 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Local Cover are not displayed in the Shelf Browser. 17:07 oleonard maximep: Click the "details" link next to the patch 17:07 jcamins Just mark as obsolete. 17:07 oleonard maximep: Then click "edit details" 17:08 oleonard maximep: Check "obsolete" 17:08 maximep ok thanks 17:15 oleonard gmcharlt++ 17:16 jcamins Woohoo! 17:16 jcamins gmcharlt++ 17:17 * oleonard calls the bounty hunters away from jcamins' door 17:18 rambutan so what's up with the cheering and bounty hunters? 17:18 jcamins rambutan: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt 17:18 oleonard rambutan: Which means we don't have to forcibly detain jcamins and require that he serve another term 17:19 * jcamins has been fortifying his apartment against that possibility. 17:19 jcamins Guess I can reduce the 24/7 anti-kidnapping guards. 17:20 gmcharlt oleonard: hey, don't call off the bounty hunters just yet... I need module maintainers! 17:20 * jcamins calls the security company to cancel the cancellation. 17:23 * jcamins goes to eat some lunch. 17:26 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "I'm proposing to make the plunge again - http://t.co/kEtzier4ka #kohails" 17:33 chris_n gmcharlt++ 18:26 drojf gmcharlt++ 18:28 * jcamins is cataloging a book called "L'année du vin" which has a picture of a man spitting out a glass of wine on the front cover. 18:30 * oleonard hopes it's a charming vintage illustration at least, rather than a photo 18:31 jcamins oleonard: nope. Photo. 18:31 drojf lol 18:32 jcamins Jeez. 18:33 jcamins We're getting 8lbs of carrots. 18:33 jcamins And 8lbs of potatoes. 18:33 jcamins And 3.25lbs of rutabaga. 18:33 jcamins And 3.5lbs watermelon radishes. 18:33 jcamins And 3.5lbs beets. 18:33 oleonard There's gonna be stew all up in that place 18:33 jcamins And two pieces of Belgian endive and 0.4lbs of collards. 18:35 jcamins That's rather a lot of veggies. 18:36 jcamins And we still have beets and rutabaga left from last time. 18:36 datadoctor Watermelon radishes...yum! 18:36 jcamins datadoctor: you've had them? 18:37 drojf i just wanted to ask what that is 18:37 jcamins It's a massive radish that is green on the outside and red on the inside like a watermelon. 18:37 drojf how can you eat stuff that not even wikipedia knows? :P 18:37 magnuse drojf: i think you maybe forgot to change the status on Bug 9256? 18:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 18:38 jcamins drojf: is Wuppertal a place? 18:38 drojf magnuse: oh, you are right! will do 18:38 drojf jcamins: yes 18:38 jcamins Thanks. 18:38 drojf it sounds great when i think it in english :D 18:38 magnuse drojf++ bigtime 18:39 oleonard Have you cooked with a watermelon radish before jcamins? 18:39 jcamins oleonard: usually I just make them into salads. 18:40 jcamins I stuck a bit of watermelon radish in a gratin once, though. 18:40 drojf what does it taste like? regular radish? 18:40 jcamins Milder. 18:40 jcamins Much milder. 18:40 drojf it looks really nice 19:05 maximep if you don't have defined any circulation rules and you don't enter a due date, how is the due date calculated ? 19:05 jcamins maximep: it isn't. 19:05 jcamins If you do not have a default circ rule, Koha won't circ. 19:06 jcamins It's supposed to circ for 21 days, but that doesn't work. 19:06 maximep huh 19:06 maximep I just truncated the issuingrules table and still was able 19:07 maximep somehow it put "11/04/2013 23:59" as my due date 19:07 maximep anyway, ill look at the code soon 19:08 jcamins Sounds like a month. 19:08 maximep it even looks like a month 19:08 maximep =) 19:19 rangi Yay a release manager 19:20 oleonard Assuming he can get the votes ;) 19:22 rangi I'll vote for anyone who isn't me :) 19:24 jcamins Ditto. 19:25 * rangi takes the kids to school 19:29 gmcharlt /nick notrangiandnotjcamins 19:29 gmcharlt oops! 19:29 gmcharlt ;) 19:30 jcamins Hehe. 20:19 oleonard Later #koha 20:58 bag afternoon peeps 21:00 rambutan afternoon 21:03 bag heya rambutan 21:04 rangi hi bag and rambutan 21:04 bag yo rangi 21:08 rambutan hi rangi 21:09 wizzyrea hi :) 21:11 rambutan hi wizzyrea 21:20 rangi anyone know danish? 21:20 rangi http://www.reindex.dk/ 21:22 jcamins rangi: it says "Biblioteker hos Reindex." 21:22 wizzyrea oo there's a norwegian language option 21:22 wizzyrea still don't speak that but i do know someone who does :P 21:22 rangi it looks like some kinda ILS .. but i dont think its free software? 21:23 rambutan the google translation looks pretty good 21:23 * Dyrcona was going to suggest google translate. 21:23 Dyrcona rangi: Looks like they are affiliated with Index Data somehow. 21:24 rangi maybe just the catalogue part ... 21:24 jcamins Under system it does say "open source." 21:24 rambutan the two main paragraphs are kinda vague, however. "...modern, flexible system that effectively supports information workers exposure of information and services in an organization." 21:24 wizzyrea operational performance is $ 10,000 plus $ 5,000 per. employed in the library. 21:24 cait hi #koha, hi jcamins, rangi, Dyrcona and rambutan :) 21:24 wizzyrea yikes per employee! 21:24 Dyrcona The whole thing looks vague to me. 21:24 rangi *nod* 21:24 rambutan hi cait! 21:24 rangi hiya cait 21:24 * Dyrcona bows. 21:24 cait :) 21:25 * cait survived her presentation - no more slides! 21:25 rangi yay! 21:25 * jcamins starts charging for Koha at that rate. 21:25 * cait hands out lots of cookies 21:25 jcamins Bwahahaha!!!!!!!! 21:25 cait what are you looking at? 21:25 wizzyrea yay cait! 21:25 jcamins A closed source ILS. 21:26 jcamins Wow. That's really ugly. 21:26 wizzyrea ew, it is 21:27 cait a closed source list with an open price list? 21:27 cait hi Viktor :) 21:28 jcamins I know, weird, right? 21:28 Viktor Hi cait ! 21:28 rangi does Viktor read danish? :-) 21:29 Viktor Might read ok rangi I'm not so good with spoken danish though 21:29 rangi http://www.reindex.dk/ 21:29 jcamins I think it might be saying that XML is open source. 21:29 rangi heard of this before? 21:29 jcamins Hard to say, as I don't know Danish. 21:31 * magnuse waves 21:31 rangi oh magnuse is here :) 21:31 magnuse in da house! 21:32 rangi heh 21:32 Dyrcona Call me crazy, but this: http://www.reindex.dk/index.php?Lang=dan gives me the page in English! 21:32 wizzyrea chrome? 21:32 wahanui rumour has it chrome is not free software 21:32 wizzyrea chrome autotranslates 21:32 jcamins That looks very Danish to me. 21:32 jcamins Though they have an English option. 21:32 Dyrcona Time to go.... 21:33 jcamins Which is also in Danish... 21:33 wahanui okay, jcamins. 21:33 magnuse that is an ils, yes and it's not free software 21:33 wizzyrea oh no, their links are confused 21:33 jcamins which? 21:33 wahanui it has been said that which is in Danish... 21:33 wizzyrea lang=dan gives english 21:33 Dyrcona Chromium must be messing with me... 21:33 wizzyrea lang=eng gives danish 21:33 jcamins lang=dan gives Danish for me. 21:33 Viktor It's danish alright 21:33 jcamins Ooh, there we go! 21:33 wizzyrea hehe well something has gone funny then :) 21:34 * wizzyrea sees english with lang=dan 21:34 eythian lang=nor gives me english, the others are danish 21:34 eythian also, hello 21:34 wizzyrea hahaha so - it's random language ^.^ 21:34 * wizzyrea waits for farsi 21:34 eythian I think so, yeah 21:34 Viktor But it does'nt say XML is open source. It says that their product uses standard parts :) 21:34 jcamins wizzyrea: ooh, that'd be nice! 21:35 wizzyrea pretty too 21:35 jcamins One I know. 21:35 magnuse i think there are ~2 libraries in norway using reindex 21:36 magnuse [off] one of them was at my "get to know koha" thing, but they seemed to be happy where they were 21:37 eythian the opac looks like a mobile site when viewed on a desktop browser 21:37 eythian very sparse and not showing much 21:37 Viktor So: it seems like the average proprietary product. But they do mention open source on their site. But show no sign of licensing their own product with an open license. 21:38 magnuse they have connections to indexdata, but i'm not sure how 21:38 Viktor Can I ask a quick one one another topic? 21:38 magnuse ask? 21:38 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask. 21:38 magnuse ;-) 21:39 Viktor Where in the manual do I look for how to transfer books for something like six months to another branch? 21:40 Viktor During which the books "live" at the new branch. 21:40 bag there you go dcook http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt 21:40 magnuse ah, that would be rotating collections, i think? 21:40 rangi yep thats it 21:40 bag I may have missed the announcement earlier :P but late is better than never :D 21:40 Viktor Aha! Did'nt know what to search for! Thanks! 21:40 jcamins I thought rotating collections was disabled due to security concerns? 21:40 magnuse Viktor: see bug 8836 21:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Resurrect Rotating Collections 21:41 rangi viktor to do it without that feature 21:41 rangi what you would do is batch update 21:41 rangi so do a report to get the items you want to move 21:42 bag oh I like this "Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world. " 21:42 rangi then batch update them, changing their home branch, (and holding/current) and put a non-public note in, so you can search for them again (transferred 2013-03-13 or somethign) 21:43 rangi thats the way you can do it now maybe put in the branch they should go back to into the note too 21:43 rangi until rotating collections is fixed 21:43 * rangi hopes that was helpful not confusing 21:43 Viktor Aha - so there might be a feature back up to do it but there is also a functioning workaround. 21:43 Viktor Sounds fully ok! Thanks! 21:43 rangi bag: yeah we should take the stuff magnus has done, the semantikoha work as a good start 21:44 bag totally agree 21:44 cait :) 21:44 cait 3.14 will be exciting 21:44 bag I'm looking forward to next week - when I've got time to dig into those things :D 21:44 cait like every koha release :) 21:44 cait bag: yepme too!! 21:44 cait and into the bug pile 21:44 bag and not have to do hiring or taxes, or HR or other time sucks :P 21:45 * cait nods similar here -- well different things, but doing actually only one thing most of the time will be nice :) 21:45 bag oh cait khall and I arrive to Marseille sunday night around 18:30 I believe 21:45 cait oh nice 21:45 cait ant to have dinner? :) 21:45 jcamins Just a reminder that if you want your work to go into 3.12 and not require massive amounts of rebasing, the hackfest is a good time to focus on bugs and almost-ready features. 21:45 bag Yes 21:45 bag and yes to jcamins 21:46 magnuse bag: more than happy to talk semantikoha with you or anyeone else ;-) 21:46 bag that's my thought too… daytime bugs :) nighttime digging :) 21:46 bag awesome I will take you up on that magnuse 21:47 cait so one yes was about dinner? :) 21:47 cait bag: do you have access to the google docs? 21:47 bag yes one was about dinner 21:47 magnuse bag: yay! 21:47 cait i think you have - I can leave the room number there, so you can just knock when you arrive? 21:48 bag hmm.. cait I believe so 21:48 cait or check #koha 21:48 cait :) 21:48 bag awesome… 21:48 cait my train arrives about 2 hours earlier 21:48 cait so I will probably be at the hotel I think at the time you arrive 21:49 cait so you and kyle now? 21:49 bag sweet - so Kyle and I arrive in paris the day before - and we are going to try and pack in some touristing 21:49 bag so we maybe a bit tired and just do dinner and crash :) 21:49 cait I think maybe dpavlin too 21:50 rangi creme brulee 21:50 bag yup just kyle and I from here :) 21:50 cait you can sleep on the train! :) 21:50 cait sleep is totally overrated 21:50 jcamins I went to a very interesting seder in Paris. 21:50 bag I've never been on a super fast train - I don't think I will sleep 21:50 rangi you guys should totally try to go see ecole de mines 21:50 jcamins And an absolutely lovely one in Lille. 21:50 rangi in paris 21:50 bag I want to check everything out! 21:50 rangi the site of the first kohacon ever 21:50 cait eiffel tower? :) 21:50 cait I have never been there but it might be a bit much for one day :) 21:50 rangi and a beautiful library 21:51 jcamins I visited the Eiffel Tower. 21:51 bag I think we are going to hit up Versailles and maybe the louve if the lines aren't crazy long 21:51 bag yeah I've been up the Eliffel tower before 21:52 rangi hi tcohen 21:52 tcohen hi rango 21:52 tcohen rangi 21:52 * wizzyrea wonders if tcohen has kids 21:52 tcohen i don't 21:53 tcohen (yet) 21:53 wizzyrea then you haven't probably had the pleasure of seeing the movie Rango. 21:53 wizzyrea :) 21:53 bag anybody up for testing and signing off (well if passes) bug 7736 ? 21:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mark.gavillet, Needs Signoff , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality 21:53 tcohen heh, you're right 21:53 magnuse ah gmcharlt++ 21:53 bag I think it would take a little bit of time - not a quick or easy one 21:54 bag yeah gmcharlt++ I'm enjoying what I've been reading so far 21:55 tcohen bag, I can only offer testing and signing if you do the same with bug 9735 and/or bug 9659 21:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Choose language using URL parameters in any page 21:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 21:55 tcohen :-P 21:55 gmcharlt bag: do you know of any materials vendors that have done EDI interchange using that patch series? 21:56 bag I will start looking tcohen 21:56 bag gmcharlt: there are some in England that has worked for (ptfs europe) 21:56 wizzyrea bug 9659 is signed off :) 21:56 * jcamins heads out. 21:57 bag and I've tested with baker and taylor here - and they said it would be passable… 21:57 bag besides that gmcharlt no 21:58 gmcharlt bag: ah, now I see where you said so in the bug 21:58 * cait waves to gmcharlt 21:58 cait gmcharlt++ 21:58 bag tcohen: 9735 looks easy enough - will test soon :) 21:58 tcohen gmcharlt++ 21:58 tcohen thanks bag 21:59 magnuse meeting in ~20 hours, right? 21:59 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013 21:59 gmcharlt magnuse: 19 hours and four minutes 22:00 gmcharlt no, make tha t20 22:00 * gmcharlt apparently can't do basic arithmetic today 22:00 magnuse http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130313T18&msg=Koha%20IRC%20General%20Meeting :-) 22:01 magnuse basic arithmetic - who needs it? ;-) 22:01 gmcharlt magnuse++ 22:01 magnuse yay 22:02 cait i got meetings so may miss it 22:02 tcohen I'll be migrating the last ISIS-based library we have, will try to be there 22:02 * magnuse will be home alone with the kiddo and will probably miss most too 22:07 magnuse wizzyrea++ for working on bug 9784 22:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9784 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, ASSIGNED , koha-shell missing from koha-common man page 22:07 * magnuse needs some sleep 22:07 magnuse have fun, #koha! 22:09 rangi cya magnuse 22:09 eythian bye magnuse 22:09 magnuse o/ 22:12 eythian "Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world." <-- "post-MARC world" sounds like "post apocalyptic world", except it's MARC, so it's more like "post-post-apocalyptic world" 22:12 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: "Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world." <-- "post-MARC world" sounds like "post apocalyptic world", except it's MARC, so it's more like "post-post-apocalyptic world" 22:12 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 22:13 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: "Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world." <-- "post-MARC world" sounds like "post apocalyptic world", except it's MARC, so it's more like "post-post-apocalyptic world" 22:13 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #236 added. 22:13 wizzyrea mua hahahahahaha 22:21 gmcharlt eythian++ 22:26 bag :D 22:26 * bag loves it 22:34 eythian gmcharlt: I like your linux-kernel model of module owners. 22:41 gmcharlt rangi++ # splinter review 22:44 * cait goes to bed 22:44 cait last day of conf tomorrow 22:44 cait bye all :) 22:45 eythian later caiter 22:46 cait lol :) 22:46 cait later! 22:46 gmcharlt eythian: good, I'm hope that folks will volunteer 22:51 rangi figured we could try it out 23:05 eythian gmcharlt: I was using my executive authority for package related things to put bug 9784 straight into passed qa :) 23:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9784 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Signed Off , koha-shell missing from koha-common man page 23:05 gmcharlt eythian: fair enough, I think it was still showing as needs sign-off when I grab it 23:05 eythian (otherwise we risk getting important but simple packaging patches stuck as fewer people know how to test them) 23:05 eythian ah right, cool 23:06 wizzyrea did you like my thorough but altogether not particularly necessary test plan? >.> 23:06 gmcharlt eythian: it's part of my teaching myself more about Debian packaging, but that certainly need not hold up packaging patches 23:06 eythian ah cool, no problem 23:06 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I found it lacking... 23:07 eythian more people knowing about packaging would not hold anything up :) 23:07 gmcharlt step -2: attend elementary school 23:07 wizzyrea lol. 23:07 gmcharlt step -1: learn to read ... ;) 23:07 eythian though it does make me think I should write a test case that ensures that all the man page XML files pass validation. 23:08 gmcharlt indeed 23:10 rangi whack it in xt 23:11 eythian what's the difference between t/ and xt/? 23:11 eythian is it just "code" vs. "extra things"? 23:12 rangi t is for unit tests like functionality stuffs 23:12 rangi xt is for prerelease type tests 23:12 gmcharlt xt = author tests 23:12 eythian ah right 23:12 rangi like checking validity of xml man files, or checking copyright headers etc 23:12 eythian does it run on a standard make? 23:12 rangi nope 23:13 rangi make test just runs t. 23:13 rangi t/ even 23:13 eythian hmm. Should probably make it run on a package build then perhaps. 23:13 rangi but jenkins runs xt and my release scripts do too 23:13 rangi ooh good idea 23:13 eythian ah right 23:13 rangi making it run on package build wouldnt hurt at all 23:13 rangi it checks for things that make templates untranslatable and stuff too 23:13 rangi so is handy to run 23:14 eythian yeah 23:32 trea question about sco-main.pl in 3.8.5 - is it possible to get it to timeout a patron session, without timing out the staff session that enables it? we're getting feedback saying that the staff session also times out, which is a problem for some of our libraries. 23:33 rangi short answer no 23:33 rangi there is only one session timeout variable 23:33 trea i personally don't think it's wise to leave sessions open in perpetuity, but 123 and all that 23:33 rangi so both those users will timeout the same time due to inactivity 23:34 rangi you could trick it 23:36 rangi with a piece of js that called the logout after some inactivity 23:47 bag hey welcome back dcook 23:47 dcook hey bag! thanks :) 23:48 dcook Watch the IT crowd, yet? 23:49 bag Sonja and I watched the first episode last night 23:50 dcook Good, bad, somewhere in between? 23:52 bag oh we enjoyed it - we'll watch more 23:56 dcook :D