Time Nick Message 00:01 dcook How was the PLWA conference, rangi? 00:01 dcook Saw a few pro Koha tweets the other day :) 00:03 rangi pretty good, short conference, just a one day one but pretty good 00:03 rangi its always hard to know libraries move so slow 00:03 dcook Mmm very true 00:04 dcook I had a chat to a librarian about that on Friday actually. She was saying how it's taken a year to even get to the point of deciding to maybe make a decision 00:04 wizzyrea the seeds you planted will sprout in a few months/years 00:05 rangi *nod* 00:05 rangi ive had ones take 6 00:05 rangi years 00:05 rangi thats the longest :) 00:05 dcook Wow... 00:05 dcook Well, as wizzyrea has said, it will happen eventually :) 00:07 dcook Hmm, I just had a thought 00:08 dcook I've been thinking about proposing some sort of online class to UBC relating to Koha, programming, open source, etc (even though I don't have the time to teach), but...maybe some sort of online workshop would be better 00:08 dcook Maybe just something where I show people how they can edit templates and then maybe some back-end scripts. Just to whet their appetites... 00:08 rangi koustabha wanted to start that 00:08 rangi academy.koha-community.org 00:08 rangi basically we could run up a moodle 00:09 rangi and then it just needs content, content is where it fell down 00:09 dcook Hmm, that page isn't coming up 00:09 dcook Hmm, what kind of content? 00:09 rangi yep, i turned it off again there was no content 00:09 rangi workshops 00:09 rangi tests 00:09 dcook ahh 00:09 rangi etc 00:09 dcook Tutorials? 00:09 rangi yup 00:09 * dcook loves this idea 00:10 rangi it does need someone to set it up/ populate/maintain etc 00:10 rangi and that someone cant be me :) 00:10 rangi but i can totally point a domain at it :) 00:10 dcook Ideally, I would love something like TryRuby (http://tryruby.org/levels/1/challenges/0), but I'm not sure how that would work 00:11 dcook You are only one person after all ;) 00:12 dcook Hmm, I'll keep this in mind. I keep trying to figure out ways to get other people involved in Koha. Even if it's not something they use long-term, I think it'll help a lot of people, especially library students and librarians break out of the concept that they have to be consumers rather than producers 00:12 wizzyrea ^^ a noble goal 00:13 dcook Thanks, wizzyrea :) 00:14 dcook I suppose I was thinking about an online class, because then folks could get academic credit for it, which helps with the whole "how am I supposed to learn anything when I'm already bombarded by classes, future job angst, paying my rent, etc etc" 00:14 rangi you could totally have librarians writing tutorials/tests 00:14 rangi yep moodle is designed precisely to do that 00:14 rangi online classes 00:14 wizzyrea it's like the foss version of blackboard 00:14 dcook writing tutorials/tests? 00:14 wizzyrea but cooler cuz it's foss 00:14 dcook Mmm, I've heard of a few people using it 00:14 wizzyrea tons of folks use moodle. 00:14 wizzyrea heaps 00:15 dcook Right, it's the PHP one 00:15 * dcook thinks he has seen something about integrating moodle and koha on the community site 00:15 rangi yep that would be good too 00:15 rangi then you can catalogue your course :) 00:15 wizzyrea or link directly to catalogue resources 00:15 wizzyrea or place a hold from moodle. 00:16 wizzyrea that would be cool. 00:16 wizzyrea kinda like course reserves 00:16 dcook Mmm, I didn't realize that Catalyst supported moodle as well 00:17 rangi yup 00:17 dcook You folks do all sorts 00:17 wizzyrea ^.^ 00:18 dcook Bug 3511 Looks like Cait was thinking similar thoughts recently 00:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3511 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Integration with Moodle 00:18 bgkriegel Hi all. We use moodle extensively at the university (doing a revision of class right now). I could setup a site, that's the easy part. The content... it's more difficult. 00:19 dcook hey bgkriegel. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the content. Or rather...fun content :p 00:19 bgkriegel :) 00:19 dcook To be honest, I've never been a big fan of Blackboard so I'm not even sure what Moodle can do 00:20 rangi moodle is only like blackboard in that they are both learning management systems 00:20 dcook hehe 00:20 rangi blackboard sux, moodle doesnt 00:20 dcook Good to know ;) 00:21 dcook I suppose the content would just be instructions rather than interactive content, right? 00:21 rangi it can be either 00:21 ibeardslee [off] rangi: a disclaimer? 00:21 dcook I suppose if it was set up like BibLibre's sandboxes.. 00:22 wizzyrea ?! why wouldn't people just get an account and go at their own speed? 00:22 * wizzyrea might be missing something 00:22 dcook I'm thinking about developing Koha rather than using Koha 00:22 rangi you can do all sorts of courses 00:22 wizzyrea no, that doesn't change my confusion. 00:23 wizzyrea :) 00:23 dcook hehe 00:23 dcook I'm just wondering how you get multiple people to edit Koha at their own speed 00:23 rangi dcook: first course 00:23 rangi set up a dev koha instance 00:23 wizzyrea install koha / gitify 00:24 wizzyrea ^ this 00:24 dcook Which is exactly what I was thinking in th e shower the other day... 00:24 wizzyrea i mean, first course. 00:24 dcook It really must be monday 00:24 dcook The dev koha instance that is 00:24 dcook Gitify? 00:25 wizzyrea (it's still in it's infancy but - https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify) 00:25 wizzyrea takes a package install and turns it into a developer instance using a git clone 00:28 dcook Hmmm. I'll give it a whirl. 00:28 wizzyrea do report any bugs you find. :P 00:29 dcook I finally updated my Debian VM over the weekend, but it's just on my older laptop, so I need to pickup a decent machine to give me a bit more power 00:30 dcook I know we already have some docos for package installs and git installs, but...I want to go through the processes again and try to make them as user-friendly as possible 00:30 dcook Well, not user-friendly...as explicit and easy to understand as possible 00:31 cjh dcook: I have done some work on this recently 00:32 dcook Oh? How do you mean, cjh? 00:32 cjh dcook: for the Catalyst open source academy I made some instructions for installing koha, making it a dev install, making a simple fix, git basics and the upstreaming it 00:33 cjh I was planning to go through them at some point and possibly move them to the koha community wiki 00:33 dcook Oooh. Very cool, cjh! 00:34 dcook If I went through it sometime, would you like some feedback about it? 00:35 cjh ill message you dcook :) 00:35 dcook Awesome, thanks, cjh :) 00:47 * dcook plots away on how to bring Koha to the world 00:48 dcook Perhaps Canada first as a pilot ;) 00:48 eythian too late, it's already in most of the world :) 00:48 dcook Touché :p 00:48 dcook Then I'll plot to bring the world to Koha ;) 00:49 eythian that'll work :) 00:49 dcook My home province has 306 libraries 00:49 dcook I think all or most of them are part of a consortium now, but I think it's awefully expensive 00:49 dcook 306 public libraries* 00:50 dcook They have the resources where they could be running (and developing) Koha. 00:50 * dcook thinks that rangi mentioned that PEI is using Koha for all its public libraries...no, all its school libraries 00:51 rangi yep school 00:52 rangi http://www.gov.pe.ca/index.php3/index.php3?number=news&newsnumber=7681&dept=&lang=E 00:55 wizzyrea what's funny is that lots of koha libraries do this thing where they take the license fees they are saving, and instead of using that money to say, fix up things that bug them about koha, they buy books and expect people to fix their issues in koha for free :(. That's not universally true, of course but often so. 00:56 wizzyrea because they misunderstand the meaning of the word "Free" in "free software" 00:58 dcook :( 01:00 wizzyrea certainly, if libraries put even a quarter of the extra money they were saving back into Koha, we could do some really kickass stuff. 01:33 jcamins Could someone please do a pull on master and run updatedatabase? 01:34 jcamins I can't switch at the moment because I'm working on something else,and I can't tell if there's a syntax error. 01:35 bgkriegel jcamins: done, but what's the problem 01:35 jcamins bgkriegel: it died abruptly for me with no error reported. 01:37 bgkriegel is there an update? 01:38 bgkriegel last log in file is "3dc0f57 Bug 9767: Fix for updatedatabase.pl (mixed version numbers)" 01:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9767 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Fix for updatedatabase.pl (mixed version numbers) 01:38 jcamins That's the last patch I had too. 01:38 jcamins Thanks. 01:38 bgkriegel ok 01:38 jcamins Must've been something specific to this test server. 01:39 jcamins That is good. :) 01:41 wizzyrea I'm doing 23 -> 25 right now 01:41 wizzyrea but it seems to work fine 02:02 dcook What do folks think about adding some Javascript to "doc-head-close" to disable submit buttons when they're clicked? 02:02 dcook I've heard from people getting duplicate patrons from double-clicking on the patron entry submit 02:03 rangi how about a hand to clip impatient ppl about the head? 02:03 rangi id pay for that :) 02:03 jcamins rangi: I like that idea. 02:03 dcook That would be a lot of hands, rangi ;) 02:04 wizzyrea dcook there's a jquery function 02:04 wizzyrea preventdoubleformsubmit 02:04 rangi dcook: i dont really like the idea, however if you made it do a loading with a circle thingy instead 02:04 wizzyrea or somesuch 02:04 rangi so they can see something is happening 02:04 wizzyrea that should prevent that 02:04 rangi or they will just refresh 02:04 rangi ie i think the problem is they dont think something is happening, so hit submit again 02:05 wizzyrea right, prevent double form submit should take care of that 02:05 wizzyrea it's in use all over the place 02:05 rangi it does a loading popup? 02:05 wizzyrea naw, but it prevents double form submits 02:05 rangi yeah, see that just annoys me 02:05 wizzyrea if you double click only the first goes through 02:05 rangi thats a hack to not solve the problem 02:06 rangi the problem is they are not seeing they have done something 02:06 dcook Well, my thought was you disable the button and change the value to "Submitting" or something like that 02:06 dcook So, both ideas 02:06 dcook Prevent double-clicking, while also showing that something is happening 02:07 wizzyrea this may be a personal taste thing - I kind of hate that, but I've learned where to look to verify that I've done something. Users not so much. 02:07 wizzyrea so sure, turn it into a submit button. 02:07 rangi its gonna get worse 02:07 rangi more and more ppl browse with the url bar hidden 02:08 rangi specially on mobile devices 02:08 wizzyrea i mean change the button into something 02:08 wizzyrea else 02:08 wizzyrea you could probably add that to the doubleformsubmit function, then it would apply everywhere that's in use 02:08 dcook It doesn't seem very prevalent when I grep it 02:09 dcook opac-reserve.tt 02:09 dcook request.tt 02:09 wizzyrea it's only been put in places where people have reported double submits causing problems 02:09 dcook Mmm 02:09 wizzyrea but it's included on ever page in the intranet 02:09 wizzyrea every* 02:09 wizzyrea because it's in an include. 02:09 wizzyrea you can use it anywhere. 02:10 wizzyrea it's in use in fines too 02:10 dcook Ah, I might be looking at an old branch 02:10 dcook What are your thoughts rangi on disabling and changing the value? 02:10 dcook Perhaps not as elegant as a circle thingy, but... 02:11 rangi as long as its obvious they have clicked it 02:11 dcook The only issue with that, wizzyrea, is that a person would need to change every instance :/ 02:11 rangi so they don't file a bug, i filled in the form but couldnt hit submit 02:11 rangi cos you know they will 02:11 wizzyrea it's an include? you should only need to update it once? 02:11 wizzyrea maybe I"m not following you. 02:12 dcook I mean you need to reference the function in regards to each form 02:12 dcook Rather than just targetting all submit buttons 02:12 dcook I suppose you might not always have a "submit" button per se though.. 02:13 dcook rangi: That's true. I like the idea of the circle...I want to say that's in use for the framework import/export... 02:14 dcook Huh... 02:14 dcook Apparently the login screen/submit button already has it in place 02:14 dcook lol 02:14 dcook Except my login failed and now I can't re-submit without refreshing the page 02:15 rangi yup yup 02:15 dcook or...wtf... 02:15 eythian it should probably be a class you add to buttons that you want it on 02:15 wizzyrea bootstrap might have one 02:16 wizzyrea also might have that kind of thing built in - I haven't looked 02:16 dcook Yeah, I was just thinking that, wizzyrea 02:16 dcook Except that I just updated my db before applying that mixed version number patch.. 02:16 dcook And now can't even get into the dev instance.. 02:17 dcook Ahh 02:17 dcook My mistake it appears.. 02:17 * dcook shuts up and goes about fixing it 02:21 eythian http://rc.getbootstrap.com/css/ <-- hope we're using bootstrap 3 :) 02:23 jcamins eythian: Bootstrap 3 does not appear to have been released? 02:23 eythian no, I think it's still rc. 02:24 eythian drop the /css off that URL and you can download it. 02:25 dcook wizzyrea: I'm not noticing that preventdoubleselect in fines O_o 02:25 wizzyrea preventdoubleformsubmit 02:26 wizzyrea oh, and you know why 02:26 dcook mhm 02:26 wizzyrea because it hasn't been pushed yet 02:26 dcook Ahh 02:26 dcook That could do it 02:26 wizzyrea it just got through qa yesterday 02:26 wizzyrea sorry, I thought that was in ages ago, it's been outstanding for a while 02:27 dcook Hmm 02:28 dcook I'm not sure if it works or not.. 02:30 dcook Yeah...I don't know if that function actually works 02:30 * dcook just put 11 holds on the same item on the master staff client 02:30 wizzyrea it was working the last time I checked it 02:31 dcook Hmm, my bad 02:31 jcamins See? Someone else was able to do that! 02:31 dcook I was using a modded script 02:32 dcook But I see what rangi was saying 02:32 dcook jcamins: ? 02:32 jcamins dcook: I have regularly ended up with multiple holds on a single item. 02:33 dcook Intriguing 02:33 jcamins But I've never noticed it when it happened, just afterwards when something wonky happened to my holds. 02:33 dcook When I tried again using the master version, it didn't happen 02:33 dcook I did it through request.pl though 02:33 eythian it really needs, at the least, a last-ditch "I'm not going to do something silly like that" test. 02:33 wizzyrea jcamins that would be fixed in 3.8 02:34 * dcook agrees with eythian 02:34 dcook Should probably have server-side validation I would think 02:35 * jcamins is generally pro-validation. 02:35 * dcook too 02:35 jcamins Don't bring quote 123 into play unless someone really wants it. 02:35 dcook hehe 02:38 dcook Grrr. Can't can't the css to refresh on my dev.. 02:38 wizzyrea I don't think there is a situation in existence where a person would want multiple, identical holds. 02:38 jcamins wizzyrea: agreed. 02:38 dcook Oh, there might be, but they probably shouldn't be allowed to 02:38 eythian wizzyrea: what happens if you want the book, and then want it again, huh? 02:38 eythian bet you didn't think of that! 02:38 dcook hehe 02:38 dcook I imagine there are lots of patrons who would love to do that 02:38 * wizzyrea gets out the biggest trout in her collection... winds up.... 02:39 wizzyrea actually it doesn't work like that 02:39 wizzyrea the way it works, is when you complete one you complete them all :P 02:39 wizzyrea if you are talking about the reserves that are submitted with mad clicking. 02:39 wizzyrea though I havne't tested that since we've gotten the reservenumber in there 02:39 wizzyrea that may not be true anymore 02:40 wizzyrea which is even more reason to not let people do that 02:45 jcamins wizzyrea: except if you fill one hold don't you fill them all anyway? 02:45 eythian wahanui: goatstep is http://youtu.be/1eCbGrMfQ-g 02:45 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:45 wizzyrea i haven't tested it since we put in the reservenumber, making each reserve unique. 02:45 jcamins No, it's transfers that are fill one, fill all. 02:45 wizzyrea right, reserves used to be that way too 02:46 wizzyrea completing one reserve (if there were multiple identical ones) would complete all of the identical ones 02:46 wizzyrea but yes, transfers currently if you complete one, in certain circumstances, you complete them all 02:48 wizzyrea dcook: bug 8054 was the bug for fines 02:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8054 normal, P5 - low, ---, liz, Passed QA , can hit submit twice when paying fines 02:48 wizzyrea was/is 02:49 wizzyrea ^^ that one created some big messes. 02:50 wizzyrea patrons + money + mad clicking = recipe for mad patrons 02:50 dcook Mmm, no doubt 02:50 dcook I suppose I could just report a bug for the patron entry/edit screen... 02:50 dcook Although now I'm thinking about what rangi said, lol 02:50 wizzyrea /mad/angry/ 02:50 dcook Because it really doesn't seem like anything is happening 02:50 dcook "or not happening" 02:51 wizzyrea pdfs could use some feedback, for sure 03:05 wizzyrea is there in existence an "easy marc framework" 03:05 dcook http://henrik.nyh.se/2008/07/jquery-double-submission/ 03:05 dcook Good points 03:05 dcook Not with that name? 03:06 wizzyrea i'm just thinking that perhaps we should ship koha with a so-called "easy" framework that used english words 03:06 wizzyrea not library words. 03:06 dcook Mmm, I've thought about that before too 03:06 dcook I've actually mentioned to people before that they can rename frameworks to be less imposing 03:06 dcook So it might make sense to have a user-friendly framework for non-MARC folk 03:06 wizzyrea yea, i mean it should be completely, utterly possible to do this 03:07 wizzyrea just a lot of frackin work. 03:07 wizzyrea :/ 03:07 wizzyrea not that I mind work... 03:07 dcook Depending on how big the easy framework is 03:07 wizzyrea I'm thinking small - like 03:07 dcook Could probably use the AACR2 minimal cataloguing level as a guide 03:08 wizzyrea hm. Yes I like that idea at least it follows some sort of standard. 03:08 wizzyrea then just take the words and make them normal words. 03:08 dcook Mhm 03:09 wizzyrea http://lts.library.cornell.edu/lts/pp/cat/22mlc 03:09 dcook https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/onlinecataloging.html 03:09 wizzyrea I like that, it's less than 20 fields. 03:09 dcook Mmm, yours is niccer 03:09 dcook nicer* 03:10 dcook Ohh, yeah, that looks quite good 03:10 dcook It could probably even be tightened a bit 03:10 wizzyrea *nod* 03:10 wizzyrea I'd leave the isbn and issn 03:10 wizzyrea for covers 03:10 dcook Mhm 03:10 wizzyrea drop LC call 03:11 wizzyrea edition is good, imprint could go 03:11 wizzyrea physical description could go 03:11 wizzyrea no 500's there tho 03:11 dcook Hmm 03:11 wizzyrea and no 800's for url's 03:11 dcook I used to do a lot of minimal level cataloguing, and we used imprint and physical description 03:11 wizzyrea (some people like to put, say, youtube links to movie trailers in the catalog) 03:12 * jcamins just got a bark from nagios informing him that his server is down. 03:12 wizzyrea oops 03:12 jcamins What is notable about this is that the server is actually up. 03:12 wizzyrea but it can't be because you are stil lon IRC 03:12 wizzyrea :) 03:12 wizzyrea FOR NOW. 03:12 jcamins In marked contrast to its situation every evening at this time for the last three weeks. 03:12 jcamins Different server. 03:12 dcook :o 03:12 wizzyrea oh. oh well. 03:12 jcamins I think nagios was just anticipating. 03:13 dcook lol 03:13 jcamins Which is kind of bizarre, really. 03:15 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 03:15 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (4:00 PM NZDT on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 03:15 wizzyrea ^ is more what I expected from summer 03:16 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 03:16 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 27.0°C (2:00 PM EST on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 03:16 dcook Oh my... 03:16 wizzyrea oh, that's decently nice! 03:16 eythian it'd probably warm up a bit if there wasn't so much cloud, too 03:16 dcook Perhaps I should go and actually take my lunch and finish my book... 03:16 eythian if that blows away, the evening may be a bit warmer. 03:17 wizzyrea duno the clouds aren't moving very fast today 03:17 wizzyrea usually they are quite entertaining 03:20 dcook Hmm, pdfs doesn't seem to like the patron entry page.. 04:07 dcook Muahaha 04:08 dcook wb wizzyrea :) 04:08 dcook The muahaha was unrelated to your return... 04:46 cait good morning #koha 04:46 dcook morning, cait :) 04:46 cait hi dcook 05:14 druthb o/ 05:32 * cait waves to #koha from a train 05:32 dcook Busy busy these days, eh, cait? 05:33 cait quite a bit yeah 06:24 dcook night #koha! 07:08 drojf good morning #koha 07:23 magnuse kia ora #koha! 07:24 magnuse guten morgen cait 07:25 cait guten morgen magnuse 07:26 cait hi #koha 07:26 * cait is on a train... 07:26 drojf hi cait and magnuse 07:27 magnuse moin drojf 07:31 cait moin drojf 07:39 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 10.0°C (8:30 AM CET on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 07:40 magnuse yay 07:40 magnuse slides? 07:40 wahanui kf should be writing slides 07:41 cait wahanui: :P 07:41 wahanui i think P is part I know 07:46 reiveune hello 07:46 wahanui hello, reiveune 07:46 magnuse bonjour reiveune 08:05 asaurat hi 08:08 cait wine++ 08:08 cait hi all :) 08:08 sophie_m1 hello cait 08:09 magnuse cait: as in alcoholic beverage or as in windows programs on linux? 08:09 sophie_m1 hi #koha 08:09 magnuse hiya sophie_m1 08:09 cait running powerpoint in linux 08:09 drojf breakfast wine 08:09 drojf :D 08:09 magnuse cait: ah :-) 08:10 cait I had to boot into windows yesterday... I didn't like that much 08:11 magnuse eeeks 08:13 gaetan_B hello 08:13 cait hi gaetan_B :) 08:27 rangi hi all 08:28 magnuse kia ora rangi 08:29 magnuse ...and paul_p and gaetan_B 08:30 cait hi paul_p 08:39 paul_p hello fany ! 08:39 paul_p ping fany 08:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #73 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:11 cait @wunder leipzig 09:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe DE, Leipzig, Germany is -5.0°C (9:48 AM CET on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Grains. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 09:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #73: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/73/ 09:33 jenkins_koha Liz Rea: Bug 8682 - Renewals do not appear on quick slips 09:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8682 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , quick slip: renewals do not appear on quick slips 09:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #74 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:11 paul_p fany http://www.education.gouv.fr/cid195/les-chiffres-cles.html 10:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #74: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/74/ 10:14 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9663 - Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission 10:14 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 5333 - z3950 normalization should apply only on UNIMARC 10:14 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9520 -[Revised] - Update default LOC Z39.50 target 10:14 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database number 10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9663 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission 10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Undefined value stops import from z39.50 10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9520 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update default LOC Z39.50 target 10:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #279 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:49 cait jcamins: ping me when you are awake? 10:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #279: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/279/ 10:51 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 8682 - Renewals do not appear on quick slips 10:51 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9663 - Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission 10:51 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 5333 - z3950 normalization should apply only on UNIMARC 10:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8682 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , quick slip: renewals do not appear on quick slips 10:51 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9520 -[Revised] - Update default LOC Z39.50 target 10:51 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version 10:51 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8620: Any index in DOM mode sensitive to -x flag of rebuild_zebra.pl 10:51 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9267 - Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken 10:51 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9586 - Remove $ENV{DEBUG} info from Member Template 10:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9663 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission 10:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Undefined value stops import from z39.50 10:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9520 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update default LOC Z39.50 target 10:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #75 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Stable , Barcode searching not working correctly 10:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9267 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken 10:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9586 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Remove $ENV{DEBUG} info from Member Template 11:28 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Descriptif fonctionnel de Piwik 1.9 http://t.co/F3Tfw9FHhH" 11:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #75: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/75/ 11:30 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9574: Plack fixes for serials/subscription-add.pl 11:30 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8620: Any index in DOM mode sensitive to -x flag of rebuild_zebra.pl 11:30 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9656: Make logging to a file optional (for fines) 11:30 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9656: Followup Make logging to a file optional (for fines) 11:30 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 9620: IncludeSeeFromInSearches and data in $9 subfields can break indexing 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9570 - view plain not working in ccsr 11:31 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9267 - Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9574 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , serials/subscription-add.pl does not work right under Plack 11:31 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9586 - Remove $ENV{DEBUG} info from Member Template 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Stable , Barcode searching not working correctly 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9656 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , fines.pl creating a log file should be optional 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9620 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , IncludeSeeFromInSearches ON and data in $9 subfields can break indexing 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9570 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , view plain not working in ccsr 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9267 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9586 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Remove $ENV{DEBUG} info from Member Template 12:03 jcamins @wunder 11375 12:03 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 5.4°C (7:55 AM EDT on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 12:04 magnuse @wunder boo 12:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (12:50 PM CET on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 12:22 oleonard Hi #koha 12:23 jcamins Interesting. Chrome refuses to run injected javascript. 12:23 jcamins This is good. 12:23 magnuse is it a content policy thing? 12:23 jcamins Noscript blocks it too. 12:24 * magnuse just read this about "Content Security Policy": http://hashbang.ca/2013/02/01/planning-a-content-security-policy-with-dancer 12:25 jcamins Does anyone have an older version of FF/Chrome? 12:25 jcamins Or *shudder* IE? 12:25 oleonard I have Firefox 3.something 12:25 oleonard And IE8 12:25 jcamins [off] Great, could you try this URL: http://intra.kohadev.cpbibliography.com/cgi-bin/koha/virtualshelves/shelves.pl?viewshelf=55&sort=title&direction=%22%3E%3C/a%3E%3Cscript%20type=%22javascript%22%3Ealert(%22hi%22)%3C/script%3E 12:26 oleonard IE9. I always forget 12:27 oleonard jcamins: IE pops up a warning that "Internet Explorer has modified this page to help prevent cross-site scripting" 12:28 jcamins That is good! 12:30 oleonard jcamins: In FF 3.6.28 I don't see an alert 12:30 jcamins Well, good. 12:32 oleonard Oh yeah, I was going to fire up IE anyway to test that calendar patch 12:39 jcamins I think even though the script is blocked I'm still not happy about the XSS possibilities. 12:46 oleonard Bootstrap 3 will drop support for IE7 and FF3.6. jQuery 2.0 will drop support for IE6, 7 and 8. 12:47 nengard is anyone else having trouble with koha site? 12:47 jcamins nengard: not me. 12:47 oleonard Comes up fine for me nengard 12:47 nengard hmmm 12:47 jcamins oleonard: is there a reason that 9458 couldn't be solved with datatables? 12:47 nengard this is in two different places with 2 different connections that I'm having this issue 12:51 jcamins oleonard: I already objected to the save button in bug 9690, right? 12:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace YUI buttons on the catalog search results page with Bootstrap 12:51 oleonard Yes 12:51 jcamins Good. 12:51 jcamins Also, which bug did you want me to revert? 12:52 jcamins 9450? 12:53 * oleonard checks 12:54 oleonard jcamins: 9446 12:54 jcamins Bug 9446 12:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on Z39.50 servers administration page 12:54 jcamins Okay. 12:54 jcamins I will do so. 12:59 druthb o/ 13:00 oleonard Hi druthb! 13:00 druthb Hi, oleonard! :D 13:05 druthb Hi, edveal! :) 13:06 tcohen morning #koha 13:06 druthb morning, tcohen. :) 13:06 tcohen hi druthb, i meant CGI not mod_perl 13:07 druthb oh! then, yeah, totally it should work. 13:08 edveal hey there ruth 13:08 tcohen but should I use dance? 13:08 tcohen dance; at the end? 13:19 tcohen has anyone used the OAI set definitions? 13:19 tcohen is it functional? 13:23 magnuse tcohen: i tested it, it should work 13:23 drojf tcohen: yes. not in production but i tried it at some point and it worked. i also added patches to allow '0' as a value and choose between 'equal' and 'not equal' to bugzilla 13:23 drojf i think i have to rebase the second one though 13:24 tcohen thanks magnuse and drojf 14:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Koha 3.10 New & Updated System Preferences http://t.co/296kW9X3Mg #kohails" 14:52 rambutan @wunder 64507 14:52 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -3.8°C (9:49 AM CDT on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 14:53 oleonard Not very springlike rambutan 14:53 oleonard @wunder 45701 14:53 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 14.4°C (10:21 AM EDT on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 14:53 druthb @wunder 66046 14:53 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -3.5°C (9:50 AM CDT on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 14:54 druthb @wunder 77063 14:54 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 10.8°C (9:49 AM CDT on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 14:54 druthb 14C warmer where we're goin'. 14:55 * oleonard won't brag because our warm weather won't last 14:56 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 14:56 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 24.0°C (11:00 AM ART on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 14:56 druthb :P 14:57 maximep @wunder cyqb 14:57 huginn maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is 8.7°C (10:54 AM EDT on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 14:57 maximep aaaaaaaaaaah I don't want to work inside 14:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.10 New & Updated System Preferences http://t.co/foHEArhlAL" 15:00 tcohen me too maximep, here because of the air-conditioning heh 15:00 Dyrcona @wunder 01845 15:00 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 5.6°C (10:54 AM EDT on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 15:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "Congrats! :) RT @kohails: #kohails Koha 3.10 New & Updated System Preferences http://t.co/dJedd4lNMM | #Koha" 16:24 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 16:24 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -1.7°C (5:13 PM CET on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 16:24 drojf yay! snow! in mid-march! … 16:24 drojf the spring is a lie 16:25 reiveune bye 16:30 jcamins Oh, that was fun. 16:30 jcamins One of my git repos spontaneously shredded itself into little piles of fatal errors. 16:30 oleonard :( 16:30 oleonard The "spontaneous" part is a little scary... 16:31 jcamins oleonard: it sure is! 16:34 * jcamins sets it up to replicate to more remotes. 16:35 oleonard jcamins: Didn't you define guidelines for patches with details like line length of commit messages? 16:36 jcamins oleonard: yeah, but I don't fail people over that. 16:36 jcamins If it's really egregious, I'll fix it myself, since I like to know what the commit messages say. 16:36 jcamins commit messages? 16:36 wahanui Please follow the guidelines at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commit_messages when writing commit messages. 16:37 oleonard Ah right, thanks 16:37 oleonard I knew it was on the wiki somewhere 16:42 jcamins Okay, my repo is now mirrored. 16:42 jcamins I mean, my mirror is mirrored. 16:50 rambutan @later tell wizzyrea you'll be happy to know that we got a dusting of snow lastnight and 22 °F. 16:50 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 16:52 rambutan jcamins has a recursive mirror? 16:52 jcamins rambutan: I do. 16:52 jcamins Well, it's not truly recursive. 16:52 jcamins A truly recursive mirror would also push to the first repo. 16:52 rambutan :) 16:55 bag good morning 16:55 rambutan good am! 17:05 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.6 Public Catalog Overview http://t.co/G7lMM3mUH9" 17:13 oleonard Random git communication blackout field. Must be time for lunch! 17:23 bag I have not tested this. but I've got a question and wanted to see if anyone here knew the answer before I set it up 17:23 bag let's say I have 300 items checked out (random number I know but think big) and they have all been renewed to their max 17:24 bag if I have allowrenewal overide set to allow. and I go back and renew all 300 17:24 bag does that mean I have to deal with the yellow pop-up dialog 300 times - or just once 17:24 bag (hopefully that makes sense) :P 17:25 jcamins bag: I haven't tried it, but I think the dialog will appear only once. 17:25 bag w00t 17:25 bag :D 17:25 jcamins I'm not sure if it will list all 300 books or just one of them, though. 17:25 bag I thought that too 17:25 jcamins Definitely a good idea to check, though. 17:25 bag well I might as well test - but I'm not testing 300 :P 17:25 jcamins You could just test five. 17:26 bag I was thinking 2 :P 17:26 bag HA 17:26 alexanderd Hi all! I have just a simple question... Could I? 17:26 bag of course :) 17:30 alexanderd I was searching a SQL query to erase all records, clean koha database 17:31 bag what do you mean clean database? 17:31 bag you want to get rid of everything in there? 17:31 alexanderd (Koha 3.10.02.000) 17:31 alexanderd yes, all records (not everything else) 17:32 bag I'd first make a backup - mysqldump 17:32 alexanderd another usefulls SQL querys could be one to backup Global system preferences setup 17:32 bag records - you could truncate biblios, biblioitems, and items 17:33 bag but then that would not clear your indexes (you'd have to add at least one record back in and then reindex) 17:33 bag and there are also old_bilbios and so on 17:33 bag schema? 17:33 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 17:33 bag you may want to look at that 17:34 bag if you want to back up system preferences - that would be a mysqldump of just that table 17:41 alexanderd TRUNCATE TABLE `biblio`, `biblioitems`, `items` ? 17:48 alexanderd Thanks! I'll try right now 18:35 oleonard magnuse still around? 18:47 jlozano hi, all. anybody ever have /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl sever connection to server while adding books? 18:47 jlozano I mean lost connection to server 18:49 jcamins jlozano: only when there is a problem with the internet connection. 18:50 magnuse oleonard: briefly :-) 18:51 oleonard No big deal magnuse, I was just curious if you had any idea what was going on with Bug 9772 18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9772 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page 18:51 oleonard Your patch works, but I notice the same text doesn't cause problems in other contexts 18:52 oleonard I worried that it was a problem with the menu, so I tested the same text in other menus 18:53 jlozano was that for me? 18:54 oleonard No 18:54 jcamins jlozano: all I said was that it's almost certainly not a Koha issue that caused the connection to fail. 18:54 jlozano ok, great! 18:54 jcamins The only time I have the connection interrupted is when there's a problem with the internet connection. 18:55 jlozano well, it only happens after I try to add a book. And I've tried 2 different koha installations on different servers. 18:55 jlozano but I guess they always originate from the same place... hmm. 18:55 jcamins Sounds like a local problem. 18:55 jcamins Possibly your browser. 18:55 jcamins You should always use a modern version of a real browser. 18:55 jlozano hmm tried them all. 18:55 jlozano chrome, fire, ie. 18:55 jlozano same problem. 18:56 jlozano yeah, I'll try outside the network. 18:56 jcamins Very odd. My diagnosis would be a misconfigured proxy server on your LAN. 19:00 magnuse oleonard: yeah, as i said it feels a bit like curing the symptom, not the decease... 19:00 oleonard magnuse: On the bright side I got to test some interesting strings: http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/utf8/ 19:01 magnuse oleonard: hehe, cool 19:01 magnuse yeah, gotta make sure koha tackles runes :-) 19:03 oleonard There's probably a Tolkien scholar out there... 19:05 magnuse yay! 19:06 magnuse there is already a georgian translation - that's one good looking script 19:06 jcamins magnuse: hard to read, though. 19:07 * magnuse never tried 19:07 * jcamins cataloged a few books in Georgian. 19:07 jcamins Boy was that slow. 19:08 magnuse hehe 19:08 * magnuse has trained a couple of georgian librarians on koha 19:12 * oleonard has been to the Atlanta airport before! 19:13 jcamins oleonard: they write very funny there... "y'all," etc. 19:14 oleonard They're on to something you know. What do the rest of us do for a second-person plural? 19:15 jcamins oleonard: I thought "y'all" was singular in Georgia. 19:15 jcamins I thought the plural was "all y'all." 19:15 oleonard Good point 19:15 senator a malicious, unfounded rumor 19:15 * magnuse wanders off to eat waffles 19:15 jcamins senator: what's the second-person plural? 19:16 magnuse oh and oleonard++ for the signoff 19:16 * oleonard is trying to pick some low-hanging fruit 19:16 senator jcamins: y'all is second person plural, but never singular, except in hollywood scripts 19:17 jcamins Interesting. 19:17 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:18 berick indeed, there is no royal ya'll 19:18 berick er, y'all 19:23 jlozano jcamins: thanks so much for your assessment. I RDP'd into my computer at home and was able to catalog the books no problem. must be some blocking here at school. 19:36 jcamins jlozano: if I had to guess, I'd say the most likely thing they're blocking is POST requests greater than a certain size. 19:36 jcamins Or they have routing screwed up and your IP is getting changed. 19:39 jlozano they always be getting the routing screwed up! 19:39 jcamins jlozano: if it's happened before, then that's definitely the most likely. 19:41 jlozano well, it always happens when I try to add the book through circulation, system operates perfectly otherwise. 19:42 jcamins jlozano: I mean, if they've had problems with routing in the past, it's probably routing now. 19:49 jlozano I'm guessing it's deliveritely blocking some kinds of traffic. 19:49 jcamins jlozano: that would be my guess as well. If you have an IT department, you could ask them if there are restrictions on "POST" requests, and if they could please lift them. 19:58 jlozano thanks! that helps. 20:16 oleonard Bye #koha 20:21 wizzyrea gah missed oleonard stupid daylight savings. 20:23 gcb I just tried updating koha 3.10.02 running on a 64-bit install of Debian 6.06 with no success. The message came back, "The following packages have been kept back: koha-common" The last time that happened, it was because the 64-bit version of koha was compiled on an Ubuntu machine that has a few additional packages beyond Debian. Might that be the issue now? 20:24 jcamins gcb: Did you use apt-get dist-upgrade? 20:24 gcb apt-get upgrade 20:24 wahanui it has been said that apt-get upgrade is a lot easier ;-) 20:24 jcamins apt-get upgrade will never upgrade between versions when there is a change in dependencies. 20:24 jcamins That's to make sure you can't end up accidentally installing something you don't want. 20:24 jcamins Try `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` 20:25 gcb just ran apt-get -s dist-upgrade and it looks like that will work 20:26 jcamins Yay! 20:27 gcb It wanted to install libstring-random-perl 20:27 gcb y 20:27 jcamins Yeah, that makes sense. 20:28 gcb Thanks! 20:46 rambutan do one of the bots keep stats of the number of people logged on to #koha? 20:46 jcamins rambutan: I don't think so. 20:47 drojf rambutan: i think rangi had some irc stats in his edinburgh talk. not sure if that had number of people or lines spoken in it 20:48 jcamins http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 20:49 jlozano does anyone know what MARC field koha uses to get item specific information? like call number, barcode? 20:50 jcamins jlozano: items are stored in the 952 field, assuming that you're using MARC21. 20:53 magnuse ircstats? 20:53 magnuse ircstats is http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 20:54 rambutan there are 60+ people logged in right now, just seemed like more than normal, so was wondering if there were records kept somewhere 20:54 rambutan I'm astounded that there are regularly 490+ logins to #reprap on freenode 21:02 cjh wahanui: knock knock 21:02 wahanui cjh: huh? 21:15 jlozano hmm, I am. 21:21 drojf magnuse: i would like to try your normarc patch with DOM indexing before i sign off, unfortunately i did not find time to do that today 21:27 drojf oh. what do we do if there is no release manager? we don't release? 21:27 rangi it wont come to that, someone will step up to do it 21:28 rangi i just dont want to have to be that person 21:28 jcamins Just in case anyone missed it, I don't want to be either. 21:28 cait we didn't miss that, keep calm 21:28 cait and hello all 21:28 jcamins :) 21:29 cait @wunder leipzig 21:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe DE, Leipzig, Germany is -5.0°C (10:03 PM CET on March 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 21:29 cait it feels colder 21:29 drojf hi cait, how is the slide business going? 21:30 drojf rangi: heard anything from mozilla? 21:30 rangi nope not yet, how about you? 21:31 drojf i asked a few days ago (they told us "next week" back then) and he only knew "maybe end of march". but that seems to be a guess just like before 21:31 drojf geeksphone never said anything :/ 21:32 rangi yeah i think they are waiting on the hardware dudes 21:32 drojf oh yes, they said "thabk you for patient, subscribe toe newsletter" :D 21:32 rangi heh 21:32 jcamins Trying to get a Firefox OS phone? 21:32 drojf "thank". it wasn't that bad :D 21:33 drojf jcamins: kind of 21:35 drojf they probably just want me to do all stuff and sign up for my thesis so i don't procrastinate even more 21:36 rangi heh 21:45 jlozano ok, guys, #1 thanks for your help so far. #2 If I'm importing records from Sirsi which had a 999 field with item info, and I changed the field to a 952 field, and the records actually import fine! How do I get the items as well to carry over? 21:46 jcamins jlozano: you'll need to convert all the data out of Sirsi's format into Koha. 21:46 jcamins @marc 952 21:46 huginn jcamins: unknown tag 952 21:46 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 21:46 jcamins ^^ wahanui's link should help. 21:48 drojf migration toolbox? 21:48 wahanui i think migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 21:48 jlozano omg. it's gonna be a long ight :( 21:48 jlozano *night 21:48 jcamins jlozano: you weren't planning on doing it first try, were you? 21:49 jlozano ha jcamins funny you should mention that :) 21:49 jcamins jlozano: generally it's a good idea to do at *least* one test load. 21:50 jlozano Getting the server up and running was soo eazy. almost deceiving. 21:50 jlozano yeah. I have been trying to import about 1100 DVDs from Sirsi Marc output files all day. 21:51 drojf dynix classic item analyzer: # EXPECTS: -nothing # DOES: -nothing 21:51 drojf sounds great :D 21:51 drojf sirsi is dynix, right? i don't know all your crazy library systems 21:51 jlozano yeah, sorry it' snow Sirsi Dynix. 21:52 drojf maybe dynix classic is something else? 21:52 wizzyrea it is 21:52 drojf ok 21:53 jcamins Yeah, Dynix is something else entirely. 21:53 drojf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wyse_serial_terminal_displaying_Dynix_in_library.jpg 21:56 jlozano I'ts SirsiDynix Symphony 21:56 gmcharlt drojf: that brings back memories 21:58 rangi heh 21:59 jlozano well, thanks for the info! I'll just have to bury my head it in it tomorrow, quittin' time round' these parts. 22:00 eythian hi 22:14 eythian https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says/status/277270150842040320 <-- this explains everything! 22:28 maximep most of the checkout by hour code was done by libsysguy, right ? 22:29 rangi a lot of it yep 22:29 rangi colin campbell did a chunk too 22:30 maximep ok. I have to estimate how long it would take to get back a feature we lost by updating to that code 22:30 maximep checkout by minutes :p 22:31 rangi adding in minute checkouts would be good 22:31 * dcook agrees 22:31 dcook Handy for all sorts of loans 22:31 maximep the first problem I see is that id have to change the circulation rules page 22:32 rangi to have 3 choices, hour, days or minutes 22:32 rangi ? 22:32 maximep well, that way it couldnt be 1h30 22:32 rangi 90 minutes 22:32 maximep well 22:32 maximep good point :p 22:32 rangi :) 22:33 rangi you could almost do it with minutes and days 22:33 maximep so hard to estimate task like these :/ 22:34 maximep could take a few days, could take weeks :/ 22:34 maximep anyway, thanks for the help 22:34 maximep I will ask again tomorrow, hoping one of the author of the code can help 22:36 rangi or email koha-devel? 22:37 jcamins But... you can check out things in an arbitrary number of minutes. 22:37 maximep yeah 22:37 jcamins maximep: libsysguy is no longer around, and Colin is rarely on IRC. 22:37 maximep ok 22:37 jcamins It seems to me the only difficulty would be the circulation and fine rules. 22:38 maximep wow, just saw this bug 5038. Feature request we opened in 2010 22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5038 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Checkout by hour 22:38 maximep time to close it 22:40 maximep what do you mean jcamins by "you can check out things in an arbitrary number of minutes" 22:40 maximep ? 22:40 jcamins maximep: you can set the due date to 87 minutes from now, if you want. 22:41 * jcamins goes to eat dinner. 22:41 maximep can you ? 22:41 maximep well 22:41 maximep gtg too 22:41 maximep cya 22:41 jcamins You just can't set a rule. 22:41 jcamins Bye. 22:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9293' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=85385f2ee57913f35889f94714e37bb8c276bd77> / Bug 9293 - action_logs not tracking payments <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7607defc71dd1a67c6fff6630f0233569b0dbddd> / Merge branch 'bug_9207' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dcc75ed3fa19f1d8a 22:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1072 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1066 9 days 4 hr ago) 23:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1072: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1072/ 23:59 jenkins_koha * MJ Ray: Bug 9734 - String::Random is marked as optional, but C4::Members requires it 23:59 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9555: Another template contains single quotes in a js string 23:59 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9377 - itemtype in duplicate biblio search 23:59 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 8054 - double clicking can cause duplicate payments/fines 23:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9431 [Revised] Use DataTables on Patron Category Administration page 23:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9734 normal, P2, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , String::Random is marked as optional, but C4::Members requires it 23:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Revert "Merge branch 'bug_9446' into 3.12-master" 23:59 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9207 - Improve z39.50 speed slowdowns for sites with many records 23:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Template files contain single quote strings 23:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9207: Increment version number 23:59 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9293 - action_logs not tracking payments 23:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9377 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , itemtype in duplicate biblio search 23:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8054 normal, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , can hit submit twice when paying fines 23:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9431 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on Patron Category Administration page 23:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9207 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Improve z39.50 speed slowdowns for sites with many records 23:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9293 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , action_logs not tracking payments