Time  Nick         Message
22:50 jcamins      I'd do the same if I didn't have only 2 pamphlets left.
22:50 jcamins      Sounds like a good idea to me.
22:50 maximep      just can't concentrate on anything. Too tired. Time to go back home, I guess
22:43 jcamins      Yep. irssi is tab 0, and 1-4 are for development.
22:43 maximep      because i'm the same way... I don't look much at this channel when i'm working on other stuff
22:43 maximep      with #koha
22:43 maximep      could add a fifth
22:43 maximep      always using 4 tabs in a screen session on my dev server
22:43 jcamins      When I'm working on other development projects, I check rather less frequently.
22:42 maximep      hmmm I guess that would be possible
22:42 jcamins      irssi runs on my development server, so when I'm doing Koha development I switch back and forth frequently.
22:42 jcamins      Heh.
22:41 maximep      and I was always missing stuff because I have too many terminals opened
22:41 maximep      just to be on irc
22:41 maximep      tried irssi, finch and a few others a few years ago. I like them, but I just don't want to learn a ton of key bindings
22:38 rhcl         I had forgotten irssi was ncurses
22:37 jcamins      I hate it when that happens.
22:37 jcamins      maximep: ugh.
22:37 maximep      *of work left
22:37 maximep      5 hours left today and it'S 17:34. Hmmm. That won't work.
22:36 celery1      well, this is Thunderbird. I kinda like it.
22:35 maximep      yeah... that's why I stick to firefox at work hehe
22:35 jcamins      celery1: how do you like it?
22:35 jcamins      You would not be able to edit records in my new cataloging interface.
22:35 maximep      of course I enable javascript for most websites because these days nothing works without it
22:34 maximep      really fast :p
22:34 maximep      Opera/Gentoo/No flash/No Javascript
22:33 jcamins      maximep: I thought you used Opera, not IE. :P
22:33 maximep      and having half the web not work for me :p
22:33 maximep      I guess I like being in the 0.01% of people using my browser configuration
22:31 jcamins      Agreed.
22:31 jcamins      Hehe.
22:31 maximep      all fine for me if IE could die
22:30 maximep      to gtk-webkit
22:30 maximep      from chrome to chromium to safari to qt-webkit
22:30 maximep      but weirdly, all webkit implementation are different in some major ways
22:30 jcamins      (Mozilla, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, and IE, respectively)
22:29 maximep      looks and feels exactly the same as chromium, but a few extra features
22:29 jcamins      The options will be: gecko/mozilla, gecko/mozilla, webkit, webkit, webkit, ie.
22:29 maximep      with webkit
22:29 maximep      yeah they released the first beta of opera for android
22:29 jcamins      Rather narrows the browser field.
22:29 jcamins      maximep: oh, yeah, I heard that Opera was switching to webkit.
22:28 maximep      really hoping I won't lose any of those features of Opera when they switch to webkit
22:26 jcamins      And maximep even knows what it is called.
22:26 jcamins      Certainly FF does.
22:26 maximep      chatzilla for firefox
22:26 jcamins      rhcl: I think so.
22:26 rhcl         ...wonder if Thunderbird has an IRC client....
22:25 maximep      it's also my mail client for the same reasons
22:25 jcamins      maximep: I didn't realize that Opera had a built-in IRC client.
22:25 maximep      now i'm just connecting directly in Opera because i'm too lazy to install/learn anything else
22:23 celery       Yea, me too, I run OpenSuse
22:23 maximep      but i'm a kde fan :p
22:23 celery       yea, let me try that one. I used to use it many many moons ago
22:23 maximep      used to really like Konversation
22:23 jcamins      I use irssi.
22:22 rhcl         Konversation
22:22 jcamins      rhcl: which have you ruled out so far?
22:21 rhcl         ignore me, I'm just trying to find a chat client I like
22:16 jcamins      It's kind of impressive: when I arrived this morning, it was snowing briskly. By now the snow on the ledge outside the window has almost entirely melted.
22:04 bag          :)
22:03 jcamins      bag: this is the rewarding part of being RM. :)
22:01 bag          YAY melia and jcamins with the assist :)
22:00 jcamins      You're welcome.
22:00 jcamins      Yay!
21:59 melia        ok I finally got both signed off patches on there. thanks, jcamins!
21:59 melia        you just need to use your head when you read the instructions :)
21:58 jcamins      Yeah, unfortunately there isn't really a consistent way that we indicate that you should replace the example with a real value.
21:57 melia        it's because it's in between those in the instructions on the wiki, and I just copy/pasted :)
21:57 melia        oh duh
21:56 jcamins      No need to look up hashes.
21:56 jcamins      Or, alternatively, HEAD^ and then HEAD
21:56 jcamins      It should just be 4a21cb0
21:56 jcamins      You have angle braces.
21:56 jcamins      What error are you getting?
21:56 melia        -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
21:56 melia        melia@ByWater-Test:~/kohaclone$ git bz attach -e 8943 <4a21cb0>
21:55 melia        what's wrong with this:
21:55 melia        well, I've got them both signed off now but can't seem to get them attached again
21:36 melia        ok
21:35 jcamins      (filter-branch being the incredibly dangerous way of doing the same thing)
21:35 jcamins      You may also see references to "filter-branch." Ignore them.
21:35 jcamins      That's the safe way of doing it.
21:35 jcamins      You're welcome.
21:34 melia        yes! I can see both of them now. thank you!
21:34 jcamins      Then, you do the "git commit --amend -s" to add your sign offs and `git rebase --continue` to move on to the next patch.
21:34 melia        ah ok. let me try that.
21:34 jcamins      melia: you can sign off on multiple patches by using `git rebase -i origin/master` and choosing to "edit" each patch you want to sign off.
21:11 melia        it is!
21:10 jcamins      But the idea is inspired. :)
21:10 jcamins      I haven't had much luck with them either.
21:10 melia        yes, but I can't ever make the sandboxes work :(
21:10 jcamins      melia: BTW, you know that the code for the sandboxes that BibLibre hosts is in the contribs repo, right?
21:00 jcamins      I am on item 7 in a 13-part bound-with, and it is sapping my will to classify.
20:59 jcamins      On an unrelated note, bound-withs are cruel and unusual.
20:59 melia        I will!
20:59 jcamins      Then she can sign off on even more! :D
20:58 jcamins      You should teach her how to do the git part too. :)
20:58 melia        yep, with Kyle's help. I was going to do the git part for her. :)
20:58 jcamins      melia: I figure you're probably the one who got Nora signing off on things. :)
20:57 melia        heh what am I getting a ++ for? :)
20:57 jcamins      melia++
20:57 jcamins      nora++
20:40 Oak          me go now. take care all.
20:37 jcamins      We generally recommend using web browsers released within the last five years.
20:37 jcamins      Not that it matters.
20:37 jcamins      Hm.
20:37 jcamins      Yeah... according to the code, Alt-q should bring up the search page not Alt-r.
20:35 bgkriegel    is the same on ff, opera and safari
20:33 jcamins      Also, I noticed that the key mappings all seem to be... weird.
20:33 jcamins      I'm on an old Mac with an old version of FF.
20:32 bgkriegel    :) I'm in chrome
20:32 jcamins      :)
20:32 jcamins      Okay, in that case I speculate that it doesn't function quite right on very old versions of Firefox on Mac.
20:32 bgkriegel    yes, again
20:31 jcamins      bgkriegel: really?
20:31 huginn       Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 18.0°C (12:00 AM PKT on March 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
20:31 Oak          @wunder islamabad
20:31 bgkriegel    well, in about page takes me to check-in also
20:31 jcamins      The 'r' is probably for "return," and that's a USian term. :)
20:30 wahanui      oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
20:30 jcamins      oleonard.
20:30 Oak          who?
20:30 * jcamins    thinks he can guess who chose the shortcut.
20:29 jcamins      If the check in box is not visible, it takes you to search screen.
20:29 jcamins      Oh, I see.
20:29 jcamins      Odd.
20:29 bgkriegel    yep
20:28 jcamins      bgkriegel: really?
20:28 bgkriegel    hi, Alt-r takes me to 'check in' (windows)
20:28 Oak          hm
20:28 jcamins      That's on the staff client, not the OPAC.
20:27 Oak          let's try all keyboard combinations
20:27 jcamins      The only problem is that on Macs, the Alt key is also the compose key.
20:27 jcamins      Well, it could be, but I don't think it is.
20:27 Oak          can't be a bug :)
20:26 jcamins      Apparently Alt-r brings up the search screen.
20:26 Oak          i did not know.
20:25 Oak          :)
20:21 jcamins      Did anyone else know we had keyboard shortcuts in Koha?
18:43 jcamins      Huh! I missed this one: http://www.loc.gov/marc/marbi/2010/2010-06.html
18:37 jcamins      Lucky!
18:37 * oleonard   cuts out early
17:34 drojf        if you want to get people into reading, force them to start with heavy stuff they are not interested in before you tell them about the mainstream books you have :P
17:31 oleonard     Crazy talk!
17:31 jcamins      It seems to me that people who read mass market paperbacks would be more likely to come into the library if they knew there were books they were interested in.
17:30 jcamins      This particular library has them cataloged, but only lets staff see the records since patrons can't place holds on the books.
17:30 jcamins      cait: on one of my mailing lists, a librarian just asked about how others treat mass market paperbacks.
17:29 cait         jcamins: not sure I can follow :)
17:29 drojf        jcamins: hipster librarian, only showing the cool stuff in the opac?
17:25 jcamins      ... why would you have a significant mass market paperback collection at a library and _not_ expose the records on your OPAC?
17:24 cait         mmh
17:24 jcamins      Pomegranate.
17:23 cait         magnuse: small sweet explosions?
17:23 cait         hi :)
17:18 magnuse      lol
17:18 drojf        i thought hamster was the topping of the week
17:18 magnuse      jcamins: it's like small, sweet explosions in your mouth, which contrast really well with the salty sausage :-)
17:13 wahanui      i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
17:13 jcamins      Interesting.
17:13 jcamins      Pomegranate?
17:12 magnuse      (with reindeer sausage and pomegranate for topping - it's like lots of little, red noses...)
17:11 jcamins      It was delicious.
17:11 jcamins      I made pizza yesterday.
17:11 * magnuse    wanders off to make pizza
17:10 magnuse      oleonard++
17:10 * oleonard   is doing very wrong things with cataloging plugins
17:10 magnuse      #marcmustdie!
17:08 drojf        so that means you have normarc that gives you a handful of norway-special fields and you sacrifice all authority stuff for it? that sounds like an interesting idea ;)
17:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9057 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for athorities to NORMARC
17:07 magnuse      drojf: jcamins is right, NORMARC does not define frameworks for authorities. i do plan to make the MARC21 auth frameworks work for NORMARC, though: bug 9057
17:03 libsysguy    lol
17:03 libsysguy    but I decided i felt too sick after my leg workout
17:03 libsysguy    I was going to eat at the gym
17:03 libsysguy    but I didn't actually get brunch
17:03 libsysguy    I thought I was too
17:03 oleonard     jinx
17:03 oleonard     I thought maybe you were making a comment about the quantity of brunch you ate libsysguy
17:03 * jcamins    guesses libsysguy ate a bit too much at brunch.
17:02 oleonard     Anyone here who speaks UNIMARC?
17:00 drojf        oh! that's interesting
17:00 jcamins      Actually, I think magnuse said that NORMARC didn't have an authority format.
16:59 drojf        i'm sure they differ in one or two subfields :P
16:57 jcamins      drojf: because magnuse hasn't copied the MARC21 files over to te NORMARC directories.
16:56 * drojf      wonders why there are no authority types for normarc
16:47 jcamins      The apostrophe is what gets me.
16:47 jcamins      oleonard: nah, must be a particular type of call number used in France.
16:47 drojf        nevermind me. sugar coma
16:46 drojf        oh i ignored the regex part
16:46 oleonard     LOC-specific?
16:46 jcamins      ... which is crazy
16:46 jcamins      The prefix must contain only capital letters, a periods, dashes, and apostrophes.
16:45 drojf        oleonard: i think if you put in "whatever", it will look for the highest callnumber with "whatever". like you have "whatever 123" in your db, you will get "whatever 124" in the cataloguing thingy
16:44 oleonard     if ( $code =~ m/^[A-Z.\-']+$/ )
16:44 oleonard     What kind of call number would that part of the script address?
16:43 oleonard     Anyone here familiar with value_builder/callnumber.pl? I'm trying to figure out what circumstance would invoke the code at line 97 http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=cataloguing/value_builder/callnumber.pl;h=64507f235442f78deb6dc757c32c221fc93c0b13;hb=HEAD
16:40 jcamins      Actually, one of the weird things about the ANS is that it *doesn't*.
16:39 jcamins      Many libraries use consecutive call numbers.
16:28 * magnuse    takes the dogs for a walk
16:28 magnuse      moahahaha
16:28 huginn       magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:28 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
16:28 magnuse      @quote get 123
16:27 * oleonard   is looking at YUI AJAX code in cataloging plugins. sadface.
16:27 gmcharlt     "collocation by topic is for wimps... Real Librarians hold the catalog in their head!"
16:26 gmcharlt     that, or it's an Extreme Library
16:26 oleonard     That would be interesting in a public library. "I'm looking for a book..." "Well, when did we buy it?"
16:25 gmcharlt     oleonard: yep; typically done for special collections where nobody but the librarian ever walks the stacks
16:24 * oleonard   should know better... mad schemes etc.
16:23 oleonard     meaning some libraries' call numbers are simply consecutive?
16:22 gmcharlt     oleonard: accession numbering, presumably
16:21 * oleonard   wonders why one would ever want to auto-fill the call number field with MAX(itemcallnumber)
16:21 magnuse      :-)
16:21 magnuse      since it sounds like you have a norwegian install going and have observed the problem
16:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9772 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page
16:21 magnuse      drojf: if you do happen to have the time, perhaps you could have a go at Bug 9772 too
16:07 magnuse      i'll do a quick patch for that
16:07 reiveune     bye
16:07 magnuse      hm, adding the html_entity filter to the display fixes it
16:06 drojf        but i have not looked around a lot
16:06 drojf        yes all other non-ascii things i have seen were ok
16:05 magnuse      drojf: yeah there is that ;-)
16:05 magnuse      hm, looks like the problem with the patron category dropdown might not be a problem with my data, but how it's displayed in that dropdown. when i go to edit a patron category the norwegian names look a1 ok
16:04 drojf        magnuse: we need koha *online* catalogue as opposed to our koha card catalogue ;)
15:45 magnuse      when i tell ff to display it as utf8 it looks good, but when it's loaded into the database and displayed in the patron category dropdown the æøå is wrong
15:44 magnuse      gah, what is wrong with this file? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=installer/data/mysql/nb-NO/2-Valgfritt/patron_categories.sql;h=ee10681ade895260c08a906a555c4f3b1aafd5df;hb=HEAD ?
15:44 magnuse      yay! one day... ;-)
15:44 magnuse      it's just that i'm seeing "koha online catalogue" in a thousand places... :-)
15:44 * oleonard   would sign off on a patch which removed "online"
15:43 oleonard     magnuse: You could set your LibraryName pref
15:42 magnuse      trying not to :-)
15:42 kf           magnuse: translating? ;)
15:41 magnuse      do we really have to say "Koha *Online* Catalogue" everywhere? shouldn't "Koha Catalogue" be enough?
15:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
15:21 magnuse      and drojf++ for testing bug 9256!!
15:18 magnuse      i believe there is a file of sample data that is not unicode or something like that
15:16 magnuse      it's on my list of things to look at
15:16 magnuse      drojf: i think the unicode thing with the patron categories is a problem with the norwegian sample data, unrelated to the search problem
15:14 magnuse      kf++
15:09 drojf        heh. i learned a lot from kf :P
15:08 magnuse      drojf++ for being annoying ;-)
15:06 libsysguy    heh
15:06 * drojf      annoys libsysguy
14:47 drojf        but it looks cool :D
14:43 oleonard     Just sayin'.
14:43 oleonard     Sorry folks, this is not valid: <th/>
14:31 drojf        s/si/is
14:31 drojf        maybe. anyway, gotta shower and do some shopping. (shower si good against germs too ;)
14:30 jcamins      That must be the problem. :P
14:30 wahanui      Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
14:30 jcamins      Germs?
14:30 jcamins      Hm.
14:29 drojf        and it looks the same in english for me
14:29 drojf        it is
14:29 jcamins      Except that looks more like Norwegian?
14:29 jcamins      Must be the long German words.
14:28 wahanui      interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:28 drojf        interesting
14:28 jcamins      I don't see that in French.
14:27 oleonard     That's not what it looks like to me
14:26 drojf        at least for me. kf?
14:26 drojf        that is what it looks like in master
14:26 drojf        [off] http://abunchofthings.net/koha/listoflists.png
14:24 * jcamins    heads into the city.
14:24 jcamins      Well, I'll see what it is when there's a bug/patch with a nice test plan.
14:24 jcamins      I think I must not be understanding the problem.
14:23 jcamins      ?
14:23 drojf        yes but master does not look like that anymore
14:22 drojf        :)
14:22 drojf        ah that is exactly the one i used to compare
14:22 jcamins      That looks normal to me.
14:21 kf           all I did there was to change the background color
14:21 kf           nope
14:21 kf           https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/#
14:20 jcamins      kf: bug? They've always looked like that, haven't they?
14:19 kf           bug
14:19 kf           oh right
14:19 drojf        kf: i see underlining too and there is no indentation of the entries anymore (master)
14:12 kf           drojf: could you take a look at the list of lists in opac for signs of weirdness?
14:12 kf           hm ok, it seems to be normal, it stays like that after removing opacusercss and opacuserjs
14:11 kf           when i look at the lists of list they appear as underlined links - not sure yet why
14:10 kf           hmmm
14:07 kf           hmm lists look a bit weird, must be the custom css
14:05 kf           jcamins++ the did you mean page is so nice
14:02 drojf        hm but still broken unicode in patron categories
14:02 drojf        oleonard++ #works now
14:01 oleonard     jcamins: I guess you reverting it and me submitting a revised version is the way to go
14:01 wahanui      warnings are nothing to worry about.
14:01 drojf        warnings
14:01 kf           and leave systempreferences... that module is a bit weird
14:01 drojf        oh a lot of warning i have not seen before, so you must be right oleonard
14:01 kf           oleonard: did you actiavet he language chooser too?
14:00 jcamins      oleonard: do you want me to revert 9446?
14:00 * oleonard   can't seem to switch to de after installing it...
13:59 kf           it happens soooo often
13:59 kf           drojf: you know what would be cool? to have some kind of warning pop up when you look at outdated files...
13:57 drojf        oh, it's possible i did!
13:56 drojf        let me check if i forgot it the second time
13:56 oleonard     Hmm
13:56 drojf        it's a fresh installation so i did
13:55 oleonard     Don't you need to rebuild your non-en templates after each change to the en templates?
13:54 drojf        oleonard: is it save to assume that layout weirdness in master in non-english view is because of the unfinished translation files? eg. i see the new, fancy logout in the english staff client but the old with visible "log out" text when i view it in norwegian?!
13:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on Z39.50 servers administration page
13:49 oleonard     Bug 9446
13:49 oleonard     Sorry, 9450 isn't the right bug
13:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap
13:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9450 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables in cataloging Z39.50 search results
13:48 oleonard     jcamins: When the patch for Bug 9450 got pushed it overwrote the changes made in Bug 9647
13:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9767 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Fix for updatedatabase.pl (mixed version numbers)
13:16 jenkins_koha Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9767: Fix for updatedatabase.pl (mixed version numbers)
13:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1071: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1071/
13:06 kf           hi oleonard
13:06 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:59 * magnuse    runs an errand
12:58 magnuse      drojf: an upgrade should be ok, i think
12:58 magnuse      i think images both for covers and patrons go in the database
12:52 kf           drojf: you can probably cheat... but it woudl be not so easy as they are stored in the databse
12:44 drojf        the need to have the right language to choose the marc flavour i want is really annoying for testing
12:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
12:24 drojf        magnuse: for bug 9256, will an upgrade with the patched package be enough or do i have to purge/reinstall?
12:14 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9767' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ffaa644b9449cdcd9bebfb7eb1dfbf7b36ef70c> / Bug 9767: Fix for updatedatabase.pl (mixed version numbers) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3dc0f5728ea9fdff357356c56846636545113f91>
12:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1071 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1066 5 days 17 hr ago)
12:00 drojf        where do the images go that you upload for covers and patrons? shouldn't you be able to cheat with that?
11:56 magnuse      don't think so, no
11:49 kf           I am not sure, but I doubt it
11:47 gerundio     does Koha provide the abillity to upload images to use in the News entries?
11:46 gerundio     hi, good morning
11:39 magnuse      marcelr++
11:38 wahanui      magnuse: I forgot kf there
11:38 magnuse      wahanui: forget kf there
11:34 kf           marcelr++
11:34 kf           thx for spending time on this!
11:34 kf           np
11:33 marcelr      have to go
11:33 wahanui      later is probably better
11:33 marcelr      later please
11:33 kf           could you give an example?
11:32 kf           I really have to test taht maybe
11:32 marcelr      kyle just excludes the grace period with fines
11:32 kf           hm
11:32 marcelr      your problem is more about interval>1
11:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Allow fine calculation to exclude grace period
11:32 marcelr      bug 4906
11:32 kf           hi marcelr :)
11:31 marcelr      hi kf
11:31 kf           hm?
11:31 marcelr      :)
11:31 wahanui      it has been said that kf there is a quick way to escape ( and ) from OPAC and Staff Client searches?
11:31 marcelr      kf there
08:26 huginn       drojf: The operation succeeded.
08:26 drojf        @later tell libsysguy_afk ah, looks like they are attached to the bug in the wrong order
08:24 huginn       drojf: The operation succeeded.
08:24 drojf        @later tell libsysguy_afk do i need both patches for 9316? if so, i still cannot apply the first.
08:20 drojf        hi marcelr
08:20 marcelr      hi drojf
08:19 drojf        good morning #koha
08:16 sophie_m     ok magnuse
08:16 magnuse      critical and failed qa for almost a year
08:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7376 critical, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Failed QA , Transfer limits should be checked at check-in
08:15 magnuse      oops Bug 7376
08:15 magnuse      sophie_m: yeah, bus (or taxi) from airport to train, then train to marseille
08:14 sophie_m     magnuse: have you found a solution to come from Nice ?
08:13 christophe_c hello #koha
08:12 marcelr      hi sophie_m
08:12 sophie_m     hi #koha
08:10 marcelr      hi Joubu
08:10 Joubu        hello #koha
08:10 Joubu        yop
08:09 huginn       marcelr: The operation succeeded.
08:09 marcelr      @later tell jcamins please look at bug 9767
08:05 marcelr      hi #koha
08:05 asaurat      hi!
07:59 magnuse      bonjour sophie_m
07:49 reiveune     salut magnuse :)
07:48 magnuse      bonjour reiveune
07:42 reiveune     hello
07:38 magnuse      well, if cait intends to share, that is...
07:38 magnuse      lucky coworkers
07:38 magnuse      yay
07:38 cait         bbl
07:37 * cait       is on a mission to get all that ckae to work :)
07:37 cait         hi magnuse
07:17 magnuse      guten morgen cait
07:16 cait         hi magnuse :)
07:15 magnuse      kia ora #koha! happy pizza friday!
06:54 dcook        night/morning/afternoon, kohafolks
06:51 cait         :)
06:49 dcook        jcamins++
06:49 dcook        eythian++
06:49 dcook        Hmm, cool beans
06:45 dcook        And 942...
06:44 dcook        Probably some user supplied controlfields too..
06:42 dcook        eythian: to get csvtomarc.pl to work for authorities, do you just pass in a different leader?
06:26 dcook        Good morning so far?
06:23 cait         :)
06:23 cait         hi dcook
06:22 dcook        hola cait :)
06:22 * cait       waves
05:56 rangi        marshall breeding talking now
05:50 dcook        Hmm
05:47 rangi        yes
05:42 dcook        Just like any other env variable, I can separate multiple PERL5LIB paths using a colon, yes?
05:42 dcook        Quick question.
05:40 dcook        Admittedly, I was looking for missing brackets and the like. Just skimmed the numbers the first time
05:39 rangi        and that is why the testss are failing, took me a while to spot it
05:39 dcook        Indeed
05:39 rangi        hence the last one is never being run
05:38 dcook        Ah
05:38 rangi        look at the order of version numbers
05:37 dcook        I'll take a hint though ;)
05:36 dcook        Word of mouth. I haven't seen any posts about it
05:36 rangi        ahhh fun
05:36 dcook        Got distracted :P. Apparently some hackers in Canada had a pretty good time hacking all sorts of devices and broswers today
05:34 rangi        (you got it, or want a hint?)
05:31 rangi        its simple once you see it
05:30 dcook        lol
05:30 rangi        10 points if you can spot the problem :)
05:30 rangi        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=405e033cec4e5b09a2497ce8242b1a428ee686ad;hb=2bd3c85961ca878376f524c448d7ffb48bd7dfc3#l6447
05:30 rangi        dang
05:29 dcook        I think he headed off to bed 30-60 minutes ago
05:28 rangi        jcamins: about?
05:23 dcook        Persistence ftw
05:23 dcook        This is the bit that I was missing: "o conf makepl_arg 'PREFIX=/home/you/lib/perl5'"
05:23 dcook        http://ask.metafilter.com/7512/Set-my-CPAN-install-directory
04:04 wajasu       dcook: my hacked scripts works. the library came alive.  15000 biblios genereated 16000 auths.  i turned on UseTtracingForAuths. got more subject links.
03:21 dcook        Oh well...lunch time
03:16 dcook        It wants to put it into usr/lib rather than my local dir
03:15 dcook        Hmm, missed a config variable somewhere...
03:13 dcook        Configuration done better this time and Business::ISSN downloaded
03:09 wizzyrea     \o/
03:09 dcook        aha!
03:05 dcook        ugh safe removals..
03:05 dcook        yep
03:04 wizzyrea     presumably ~/
03:04 wizzyrea     what's your cwd?
03:03 dcook        I don't see a mention of it in the config either..
03:03 eythian      perhaps rm -r ~/.cpan and start over, but answer all the questions yourself
03:02 dcook        No idea
03:02 eythian      why is it trying to put stuff in /root in the first place?
03:02 dcook        Cannot create directory /root/.cpan/prefs
03:01 eythian      why?
03:01 dcook        That didn't work so well me thinks..
03:00 dcook        Hmm..
02:59 eythian      that's usually a sign :)
02:59 dcook        Or at least it's stopped asking me questions :p
02:59 eythian      cool
02:59 dcook        All right, I think it's all configured..
02:56 eythian      it's always possible to start over
02:56 eythian      umm. try it see what happens
02:56 dcook        "Would you like me to configure as much as possible automatically? " *
02:56 dcook        Would you like me to configure as much as possible automatically?
02:55 dcook        All right
02:55 eythian      say yes
02:55 eythian      oh
02:55 pastebot     "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "CPAN config" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/435
02:55 dcook        It seems like it's on the way to doing so
02:54 eythian      did it ask you a brazillion questions the first time?
02:54 dcook        Nope
02:54 eythian      you said it's prompting for the directory?
02:53 dcook        Through that user configuration?
02:53 dcook        But how does one do that?
02:53 dcook        Thanks again for the help jcamins and eythian :)
02:53 eythian      well point it to somewhere that exists and is writable by you
02:53 dcook        Hmm lunch time in any case
02:52 dcook        "Please make sure the directory exists and is writable." seems ominous though
02:52 dcook        It does prompt for user configuration though...
02:51 dcook        Due to the location of the working directory
02:51 dcook        Hmm neither seems too happy about me not being the root user
02:39 eythian      if that doesn't work, try perl -MCPAN -e shell
02:39 eythian      just type 'cpan'
02:39 eythian      it's very straight forward
02:38 dcook        And only seen it used maybe twice
02:38 dcook        I've never used cpan before :p
02:38 eythian      just make sure you tell cpan what's going on
02:38 eythian      yeah, you don't have to do anything fancy
02:38 jcamins      dcook: I just use regular cpan.
02:37 druthb       Hi, dcook! :)
02:37 dcook        hi druthb :)
02:37 dcook        Of course I don't have local::lib...
02:36 druthb       o/
02:35 dcook        :)
02:35 eythian      but I think it asks all those questions the first time you run it
02:35 dcook        http://search.cpan.org/~apeiron/local-lib-1.003003/lib/local/lib.pm
02:35 eythian      dcook: well, you will have to configure span and tell it where to put things first
02:34 dcook        Mmm, I think I got it now
02:31 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @3TomatoesShort: "@ranginui @madradish although I'm not a librarian & have no idea what kohails is.. Am a member of three Perth libraries though :)"
02:30 dcook        so "cpanm Business::ISSN"?
02:30 eythian      it's not really
02:30 dcook        But I wasn't sure if it was more complicated than that
02:30 dcook        That's what I was thinking off the top of my head
02:29 eythian      you can tell cpan where to put stuff, and then modify PERL5LIB to point there.
02:29 dcook        Looks like we have a different local script for generating authorities from the bibs, but I'm still intrigued...
02:29 eythian      yeah
02:29 jcamins      Sure.
02:26 dcook        As a regular user?
02:26 dcook        Hmm
02:25 eythian      it's not too hard to do a local cpan install
02:24 eythian      that'd be annoying
02:24 eythian      ah
02:24 dcook        I don't have root on this system. I really need to set up a Debian instance at home...
02:23 dcook        Blarg :p
02:23 eythian      you'll need to install that then :)
02:23 dcook        Don't have Business::ISSN installed
02:22 dcook        Hmm, stopped before I could begin
02:19 dcook        Sweet. All right, let's give this script a go..
02:17 eythian      yeah
02:14 dcook        Does it read the first row of the csv as a header?
02:11 dcook        hehe
02:11 wizzyrea     he says that every time.
02:10 eythian      I swear, it started as something small and simple...
02:10 eythian      it is something of a monster, yes
02:10 dcook        eythian: this script is ginormous!
02:09 dcook        Did the trick in the end, wajasu?
02:07 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@3TomatoesShort @madradish thats totally doable, and not hard, #kohails hooks into amazon, librarything, and idreambooks already"
02:00 wajasu       i deleted all my auths. ran a tweaked script to read all biblios headings and gen auths into memory hash, creating when no matching heading found and updating the $9s. at the end, i saved the auths to the db, and did modbiblio with the $9s
02:00 * wizzyrea   gets the popcorn for these tweets
01:59 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@MissSuzieDay @normnz there was a great comment war in a #kohails library in nz, vampires vs werewolves, you just have to hit the right note"
01:54 dcook        'twould be nice
01:54 dcook        Rather than the current...mishmash
01:54 dcook        Mmm
01:53 eythian      so if google doesn't have the cover, try amazon, and so on
01:53 dcook        Cover image fallback?
01:52 eythian      I have a feeling he's been interested in it
01:52 huginn       eythian: The operation succeeded.
01:52 eythian      @later tell magnuse <wizzyrea> also we have a couple of libraries wanting to put into the pot for cover image fallback - so if you know anybody who wants to contribute to that, send them our way
01:52 wizzyrea     also we have a couple of libraries wanting to put into the pot for cover image fallback - so if you know anybody who wants to contribute to that, send them our way
01:51 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @normnz: "Unlike this speaker we have seen very good recommendations, list and reviews from library patrons. Particularly teenagers #kohails #plwaconf"
01:51 dcook        :D
01:50 wizzyrea     \o/
01:50 eythian      yay, we have two new confirmed Koha clients to migrate early this year.
01:50 eythian      heh
01:50 dcook        The absence of scolding doesn't necessarily fill one with confidence either, so confirmation...always good :D
01:49 dcook        The confirmation of what to do is appreciated nonetheless
01:49 eythian      pretend I'm not saying anything
01:49 dcook        *shrug*
01:49 eythian      oh, you're way ahead of me
01:48 eythian      but by no means compulsory
01:48 eythian      dcook: it's also an option to add comments to the commit message below your signoff
01:48 eythian      dcook: ah, sweet as then
01:48 bag          well that was my opinion too jared…  didn't seem right :)
01:47 dcook        Usually I would change bugzilla second, but for some reason I did it first today :S
01:47 bag          thought soo…  I will not bug khall tomorrow then :)
01:47 jcamins      libsysguy did some rather extensive work on the EDIFACT code.
01:47 dcook        Yep, just attaching it now, eythian
01:47 jcamins      bag: you are correct, you need to find someone else to sign off.
01:46 eythian      That way you get counted in the stats :)
01:46 eythian      dcook: signoff process is that you apply the patch, check that it does what it claims, and then add the signed-off patch to the bug.
01:45 bag          my thought is my statement is correct - we shouldn't have another bywater person test/sign-off :)
01:44 bag          is that correct jcamins?  Or could another bywater person sign off on it - since it's originally from ptfs-europe?
01:44 bag          I need to find someone to sign off on (edifact bug) since libsysguy has added the unit tests
01:44 dcook        Today was rather warm..
01:43 eythian      but it's 22° outside, that's not near freezing!
01:43 bag          almost a week left till first freeze :)
01:38 jcamins      None.
01:38 dcook        No quams about me signing off on it?
01:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9035 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , remove deprecated 'bulkauthimport.pl' file
01:33 eythian      bug 9035 needs signoff
01:29 jcamins      It should be.
01:29 eythian      it probably should be deleted
01:28 jcamins      bulkauthimport should not be used ever.
01:28 eythian      don't forget to reindex zebra pretty much between each step
01:28 jcamins      bulkmarcimport.
01:26 dcook        Then link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
01:26 dcook        Then bulkauthimport.pl?
01:26 jcamins      Right.
01:26 dcook        So, csvtomarc.pl to transform the csv into marc authorities
01:25 dcook        Cool beans. Thanks, jcamins
01:25 jcamins      *leader
01:25 jcamins      And fixes a bug in the auth header generation.
01:24 jcamins      It has a number of authority-related scripts.
01:24 jcamins      http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=migration-toolbox.git;a=summary
01:24 jcamins      Actually, use mine.
01:23 dcook        hehe
01:23 eythian      but it'll do for your purposes.
01:23 eythian      I really really need to update the version in there
01:22 jcamins      ^^
01:22 dcook        I think I see a few references to Catalyst and jcamins's repos
01:22 wahanui      rumour has it koha migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
01:22 jcamins      koha migration toolbox?
01:22 dcook        Whereabouts does one find the csvtomarc.pl file?
01:22 dcook        But good to be aware :)
01:22 dcook        Hmm, good to know. This is a pretty simple case, so it shouldn't be too big of a deal, I imagine
01:20 eythian      yeah, it won't do them very well, as it is now.
01:20 jcamins      Just something that you want to make sure to take into account.
01:20 jcamins      Not a difficult trick, you understand.
01:20 jcamins      The trick is the subfield markers.
01:20 dcook        Mmm
01:20 dcook        Hmmm, that would do the trick
01:20 eythian      csvtomarc is an external script to help with migrations.
01:19 eythian      dcook: you extract all the subject headings in your data into a one-column csv file, and then run csvtomarc to create an authorities MARC file that you import.
01:19 dcook        eythian: I'm not sure I u nderstand...
01:19 dcook        jcamins: Good to know :)
01:18 eythian      <1 hour
01:18 jcamins      It would be useful, but no one has paid for it.
01:18 eythian      I've done it before, I think it took <` hour to do.
01:18 eythian      dcook: there isn't, but it's not hard to do by extracting them and using csvtomarc
01:18 jcamins      No.
01:16 dcook        I suppose I was just wondering if there was already a programmatic way of generating authorities from existing tags, instead of having people turning on "AutoCreateAuthorities" and then opening and saving their bib records
01:15 * dcook      babbles some more
01:15 dcook        Although I suppose it might be nice to be able to autogenerate whatever ones don't match..
01:15 dcook        You have your authorities and then you want to link your bibs to them...makes sense. I suppose you still might end up with bibs that don't have authorized headings, but...c'est la vie
01:14 dcook        Well...maybe
01:14 dcook        link_bibs_to_authorities.pl sounds like it does exactly what it needs to do
01:13 dcook        Makes sense
01:13 jcamins      Unsurprisingly, since it was not designed to do anything of the sort.
01:13 dcook        :/
01:13 jcamins      It has not been working well.
01:13 jcamins      wajasu has been trying to use it to generate authorities.
01:13 jcamins      dcook: that is correct.
01:12 dcook        link_bibs_to_authorities.pl looks like it's only useful if the authorities already exist...
01:10 dcook        Hmm, is there a CLI script to auto-generate authorities from existing subject tags?
00:09 wizzyrea     I want pizza steve
00:07 bgallagher   Ha
00:07 dcook        I don't think I ever saw the end of Multiplicity, but I can't imagine it turned out well
00:06 bgallagher   Clone would be nice
00:06 dcook        Potentially
00:06 dcook        Hmm, sounds less stressful than having a clone
00:05 bgallagher   Using backup
00:05 bgallagher   Updates on my computer
00:05 bgallagher   Yes
00:05 dcook        Are there two of you now?
00:05 wahanui      bgallagher is not sure yet cait I have not got train tickets
00:04 dcook        hey bgallagher
00:00 dcook        Haven't had much of a chance to get out of the city this year :(