Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook Haven't had much of a chance to get out of the city this year :( 00:04 dcook hey bgallagher 00:05 wahanui bgallagher is not sure yet cait I have not got train tickets 00:05 dcook Are there two of you now? 00:05 bgallagher Yes 00:05 bgallagher Updates on my computer 00:05 bgallagher Using backup 00:06 dcook Hmm, sounds less stressful than having a clone 00:06 dcook Potentially 00:06 bgallagher Clone would be nice 00:07 dcook I don't think I ever saw the end of Multiplicity, but I can't imagine it turned out well 00:07 bgallagher Ha 00:09 wizzyrea I want pizza steve 01:10 dcook Hmm, is there a CLI script to auto-generate authorities from existing subject tags? 01:12 dcook link_bibs_to_authorities.pl looks like it's only useful if the authorities already exist... 01:13 jcamins dcook: that is correct. 01:13 jcamins wajasu has been trying to use it to generate authorities. 01:13 jcamins It has not been working well. 01:13 dcook :/ 01:13 jcamins Unsurprisingly, since it was not designed to do anything of the sort. 01:13 dcook Makes sense 01:14 dcook link_bibs_to_authorities.pl sounds like it does exactly what it needs to do 01:14 dcook Well...maybe 01:15 dcook You have your authorities and then you want to link your bibs to them...makes sense. I suppose you still might end up with bibs that don't have authorized headings, but...c'est la vie 01:15 dcook Although I suppose it might be nice to be able to autogenerate whatever ones don't match.. 01:15 * dcook babbles some more 01:16 dcook I suppose I was just wondering if there was already a programmatic way of generating authorities from existing tags, instead of having people turning on "AutoCreateAuthorities" and then opening and saving their bib records 01:18 jcamins No. 01:18 eythian dcook: there isn't, but it's not hard to do by extracting them and using csvtomarc 01:18 eythian I've done it before, I think it took <` hour to do. 01:18 jcamins It would be useful, but no one has paid for it. 01:18 eythian <1 hour 01:19 dcook jcamins: Good to know :) 01:19 dcook eythian: I'm not sure I u nderstand... 01:19 eythian dcook: you extract all the subject headings in your data into a one-column csv file, and then run csvtomarc to create an authorities MARC file that you import. 01:20 eythian csvtomarc is an external script to help with migrations. 01:20 dcook Hmmm, that would do the trick 01:20 dcook Mmm 01:20 jcamins The trick is the subfield markers. 01:20 jcamins Not a difficult trick, you understand. 01:20 jcamins Just something that you want to make sure to take into account. 01:20 eythian yeah, it won't do them very well, as it is now. 01:22 dcook Hmm, good to know. This is a pretty simple case, so it shouldn't be too big of a deal, I imagine 01:22 dcook But good to be aware :) 01:22 dcook Whereabouts does one find the csvtomarc.pl file? 01:22 jcamins koha migration toolbox? 01:22 wahanui rumour has it koha migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 01:22 dcook I think I see a few references to Catalyst and jcamins's repos 01:22 jcamins ^^ 01:23 eythian I really really need to update the version in there 01:23 eythian but it'll do for your purposes. 01:23 dcook hehe 01:24 jcamins Actually, use mine. 01:24 jcamins http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=migration-toolbox.git;a=summary 01:24 jcamins It has a number of authority-related scripts. 01:25 jcamins And fixes a bug in the auth header generation. 01:25 jcamins *leader 01:25 dcook Cool beans. Thanks, jcamins 01:26 dcook So, csvtomarc.pl to transform the csv into marc authorities 01:26 jcamins Right. 01:26 dcook Then bulkauthimport.pl? 01:26 dcook Then link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 01:28 jcamins bulkmarcimport. 01:28 eythian don't forget to reindex zebra pretty much between each step 01:28 jcamins bulkauthimport should not be used ever. 01:29 eythian it probably should be deleted 01:29 jcamins It should be. 01:33 eythian bug 9035 needs signoff 01:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9035 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , remove deprecated 'bulkauthimport.pl' file 01:38 dcook No quams about me signing off on it? 01:38 jcamins None. 01:43 bag almost a week left till first freeze :) 01:43 eythian but it's 22° outside, that's not near freezing! 01:44 dcook Today was rather warm.. 01:44 bag I need to find someone to sign off on (edifact bug) since libsysguy has added the unit tests 01:44 bag is that correct jcamins? Or could another bywater person sign off on it - since it's originally from ptfs-europe? 01:45 bag my thought is my statement is correct - we shouldn't have another bywater person test/sign-off :) 01:46 eythian dcook: signoff process is that you apply the patch, check that it does what it claims, and then add the signed-off patch to the bug. 01:46 eythian That way you get counted in the stats :) 01:47 jcamins bag: you are correct, you need to find someone else to sign off. 01:47 dcook Yep, just attaching it now, eythian 01:47 jcamins libsysguy did some rather extensive work on the EDIFACT code. 01:47 bag thought soo… I will not bug khall tomorrow then :) 01:47 dcook Usually I would change bugzilla second, but for some reason I did it first today :S 01:48 bag well that was my opinion too jared… didn't seem right :) 01:48 eythian dcook: ah, sweet as then 01:48 eythian dcook: it's also an option to add comments to the commit message below your signoff 01:48 eythian but by no means compulsory 01:49 eythian oh, you're way ahead of me 01:49 dcook *shrug* 01:49 eythian pretend I'm not saying anything 01:49 dcook The confirmation of what to do is appreciated nonetheless 01:50 dcook The absence of scolding doesn't necessarily fill one with confidence either, so confirmation...always good :D 01:50 eythian heh 01:50 eythian yay, we have two new confirmed Koha clients to migrate early this year. 01:50 wizzyrea \o/ 01:51 dcook :D 01:51 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @normnz: "Unlike this speaker we have seen very good recommendations, list and reviews from library patrons. Particularly teenagers #kohails #plwaconf" 01:52 wizzyrea also we have a couple of libraries wanting to put into the pot for cover image fallback - so if you know anybody who wants to contribute to that, send them our way 01:52 eythian @later tell magnuse <wizzyrea> also we have a couple of libraries wanting to put into the pot for cover image fallback - so if you know anybody who wants to contribute to that, send them our way 01:52 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 01:52 eythian I have a feeling he's been interested in it 01:53 dcook Cover image fallback? 01:53 eythian so if google doesn't have the cover, try amazon, and so on 01:54 dcook Mmm 01:54 dcook Rather than the current...mishmash 01:54 dcook 'twould be nice 01:59 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@MissSuzieDay @normnz there was a great comment war in a #kohails library in nz, vampires vs werewolves, you just have to hit the right note" 02:00 * wizzyrea gets the popcorn for these tweets 02:00 wajasu i deleted all my auths. ran a tweaked script to read all biblios headings and gen auths into memory hash, creating when no matching heading found and updating the $9s. at the end, i saved the auths to the db, and did modbiblio with the $9s 02:07 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@3TomatoesShort @madradish thats totally doable, and not hard, #kohails hooks into amazon, librarything, and idreambooks already" 02:09 dcook Did the trick in the end, wajasu? 02:10 dcook eythian: this script is ginormous! 02:10 eythian it is something of a monster, yes 02:10 eythian I swear, it started as something small and simple... 02:11 wizzyrea he says that every time. 02:11 dcook hehe 02:14 dcook Does it read the first row of the csv as a header? 02:17 eythian yeah 02:19 dcook Sweet. All right, let's give this script a go.. 02:22 dcook Hmm, stopped before I could begin 02:23 dcook Don't have Business::ISSN installed 02:23 eythian you'll need to install that then :) 02:23 dcook Blarg :p 02:24 dcook I don't have root on this system. I really need to set up a Debian instance at home... 02:24 eythian ah 02:24 eythian that'd be annoying 02:25 eythian it's not too hard to do a local cpan install 02:26 dcook Hmm 02:26 dcook As a regular user? 02:29 jcamins Sure. 02:29 eythian yeah 02:29 dcook Looks like we have a different local script for generating authorities from the bibs, but I'm still intrigued... 02:29 eythian you can tell cpan where to put stuff, and then modify PERL5LIB to point there. 02:30 dcook That's what I was thinking off the top of my head 02:30 dcook But I wasn't sure if it was more complicated than that 02:30 eythian it's not really 02:30 dcook so "cpanm Business::ISSN"? 02:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @3TomatoesShort: "@ranginui @madradish although I'm not a librarian & have no idea what kohails is.. Am a member of three Perth libraries though :)" 02:34 dcook Mmm, I think I got it now 02:35 eythian dcook: well, you will have to configure span and tell it where to put things first 02:35 dcook http://search.cpan.org/~apeiron/local-lib-1.003003/lib/local/lib.pm 02:35 eythian but I think it asks all those questions the first time you run it 02:35 dcook :) 02:36 druthb o/ 02:37 dcook Of course I don't have local::lib... 02:37 dcook hi druthb :) 02:37 druthb Hi, dcook! :) 02:38 jcamins dcook: I just use regular cpan. 02:38 eythian yeah, you don't have to do anything fancy 02:38 eythian just make sure you tell cpan what's going on 02:38 dcook I've never used cpan before :p 02:38 dcook And only seen it used maybe twice 02:39 eythian it's very straight forward 02:39 eythian just type 'cpan' 02:39 eythian if that doesn't work, try perl -MCPAN -e shell 02:51 dcook Hmm neither seems too happy about me not being the root user 02:51 dcook Due to the location of the working directory 02:52 dcook It does prompt for user configuration though... 02:52 dcook "Please make sure the directory exists and is writable." seems ominous though 02:53 dcook Hmm lunch time in any case 02:53 eythian well point it to somewhere that exists and is writable by you 02:53 dcook Thanks again for the help jcamins and eythian :) 02:53 dcook But how does one do that? 02:53 dcook Through that user configuration? 02:54 eythian you said it's prompting for the directory? 02:54 dcook Nope 02:54 eythian did it ask you a brazillion questions the first time? 02:55 dcook It seems like it's on the way to doing so 02:55 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "CPAN config" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/435 02:55 eythian oh 02:55 eythian say yes 02:55 dcook All right 02:56 dcook Would you like me to configure as much as possible automatically? 02:56 dcook "Would you like me to configure as much as possible automatically? " * 02:56 eythian umm. try it see what happens 02:56 eythian it's always possible to start over 02:59 dcook All right, I think it's all configured.. 02:59 eythian cool 02:59 dcook Or at least it's stopped asking me questions :p 02:59 eythian that's usually a sign :) 03:00 dcook Hmm.. 03:01 dcook That didn't work so well me thinks.. 03:01 eythian why? 03:02 dcook Cannot create directory /root/.cpan/prefs 03:02 eythian why is it trying to put stuff in /root in the first place? 03:02 dcook No idea 03:03 eythian perhaps rm -r ~/.cpan and start over, but answer all the questions yourself 03:03 dcook I don't see a mention of it in the config either.. 03:04 wizzyrea what's your cwd? 03:04 wizzyrea presumably ~/ 03:05 dcook yep 03:05 dcook ugh safe removals.. 03:09 dcook aha! 03:09 wizzyrea \o/ 03:13 dcook Configuration done better this time and Business::ISSN downloaded 03:15 dcook Hmm, missed a config variable somewhere... 03:16 dcook It wants to put it into usr/lib rather than my local dir 03:21 dcook Oh well...lunch time 04:04 wajasu dcook: my hacked scripts works. the library came alive. 15000 biblios genereated 16000 auths. i turned on UseTtracingForAuths. got more subject links. 05:23 dcook http://ask.metafilter.com/7512/Set-my-CPAN-install-directory 05:23 dcook This is the bit that I was missing: "o conf makepl_arg 'PREFIX=/home/you/lib/perl5'" 05:23 dcook Persistence ftw 05:28 rangi jcamins: about? 05:29 dcook I think he headed off to bed 30-60 minutes ago 05:30 rangi dang 05:30 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=405e033cec4e5b09a2497ce8242b1a428ee686ad;hb=2bd3c85961ca878376f524c448d7ffb48bd7dfc3#l6447 05:30 rangi 10 points if you can spot the problem :) 05:30 dcook lol 05:31 rangi its simple once you see it 05:34 rangi (you got it, or want a hint?) 05:36 dcook Got distracted :P. Apparently some hackers in Canada had a pretty good time hacking all sorts of devices and broswers today 05:36 rangi ahhh fun 05:36 dcook Word of mouth. I haven't seen any posts about it 05:37 dcook I'll take a hint though ;) 05:38 rangi look at the order of version numbers 05:38 dcook Ah 05:39 rangi hence the last one is never being run 05:39 dcook Indeed 05:39 rangi and that is why the testss are failing, took me a while to spot it 05:40 dcook Admittedly, I was looking for missing brackets and the like. Just skimmed the numbers the first time 05:42 dcook Quick question. 05:42 dcook Just like any other env variable, I can separate multiple PERL5LIB paths using a colon, yes? 05:47 rangi yes 05:50 dcook Hmm 05:56 rangi marshall breeding talking now 06:22 * cait waves 06:22 dcook hola cait :) 06:23 cait hi dcook 06:23 cait :) 06:26 dcook Good morning so far? 06:42 dcook eythian: to get csvtomarc.pl to work for authorities, do you just pass in a different leader? 06:44 dcook Probably some user supplied controlfields too.. 06:45 dcook And 942... 06:49 dcook Hmm, cool beans 06:49 dcook eythian++ 06:49 dcook jcamins++ 06:51 cait :) 06:54 dcook night/morning/afternoon, kohafolks 07:15 magnuse kia ora #koha! happy pizza friday! 07:16 cait hi magnuse :) 07:17 magnuse guten morgen cait 07:37 cait hi magnuse 07:37 * cait is on a mission to get all that ckae to work :) 07:38 cait bbl 07:38 magnuse yay 07:38 magnuse lucky coworkers 07:38 magnuse well, if cait intends to share, that is... 07:42 reiveune hello 07:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune 07:49 reiveune salut magnuse :) 07:59 magnuse bonjour sophie_m 08:05 asaurat hi! 08:05 marcelr hi #koha 08:09 marcelr @later tell jcamins please look at bug 9767 08:09 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded. 08:10 Joubu yop 08:10 Joubu hello #koha 08:10 marcelr hi Joubu 08:12 sophie_m hi #koha 08:12 marcelr hi sophie_m 08:13 christophe_c hello #koha 08:14 sophie_m magnuse: have you found a solution to come from Nice ? 08:15 magnuse sophie_m: yeah, bus (or taxi) from airport to train, then train to marseille 08:15 magnuse oops Bug 7376 08:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7376 critical, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Failed QA , Transfer limits should be checked at check-in 08:16 magnuse critical and failed qa for almost a year 08:16 sophie_m ok magnuse 08:19 drojf good morning #koha 08:20 marcelr hi drojf 08:20 drojf hi marcelr 08:24 drojf @later tell libsysguy_afk do i need both patches for 9316? if so, i still cannot apply the first. 08:24 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 08:26 drojf @later tell libsysguy_afk ah, looks like they are attached to the bug in the wrong order 08:26 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 11:31 marcelr kf there 11:31 wahanui it has been said that kf there is a quick way to escape ( and ) from OPAC and Staff Client searches? 11:31 marcelr :) 11:31 kf hm? 11:31 marcelr hi kf 11:32 kf hi marcelr :) 11:32 marcelr bug 4906 11:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Allow fine calculation to exclude grace period 11:32 marcelr your problem is more about interval>1 11:32 kf hm 11:32 marcelr kyle just excludes the grace period with fines 11:32 kf I really have to test taht maybe 11:33 kf could you give an example? 11:33 marcelr later please 11:33 wahanui later is probably better 11:33 marcelr have to go 11:34 kf np 11:34 kf thx for spending time on this! 11:34 kf marcelr++ 11:38 magnuse wahanui: forget kf there 11:38 wahanui magnuse: I forgot kf there 11:39 magnuse marcelr++ 11:46 gerundio hi, good morning 11:47 gerundio does Koha provide the abillity to upload images to use in the News entries? 11:49 kf I am not sure, but I doubt it 11:56 magnuse don't think so, no 12:00 drojf where do the images go that you upload for covers and patrons? shouldn't you be able to cheat with that? 12:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1071 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1066 5 days 17 hr ago) 12:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9767' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ffaa644b9449cdcd9bebfb7eb1dfbf7b36ef70c> / Bug 9767: Fix for updatedatabase.pl (mixed version numbers) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3dc0f5728ea9fdff357356c56846636545113f91> 12:24 drojf magnuse: for bug 9256, will an upgrade with the patched package be enough or do i have to purge/reinstall? 12:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 12:44 drojf the need to have the right language to choose the marc flavour i want is really annoying for testing 12:52 kf drojf: you can probably cheat... but it woudl be not so easy as they are stored in the databse 12:58 magnuse i think images both for covers and patrons go in the database 12:58 magnuse drojf: an upgrade should be ok, i think 12:59 * magnuse runs an errand 13:06 oleonard Hi #koha 13:06 kf hi oleonard 13:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1071: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1071/ 13:16 jenkins_koha Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9767: Fix for updatedatabase.pl (mixed version numbers) 13:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9767 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Fix for updatedatabase.pl (mixed version numbers) 13:48 oleonard jcamins: When the patch for Bug 9450 got pushed it overwrote the changes made in Bug 9647 13:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9450 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables in cataloging Z39.50 search results 13:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap 13:49 oleonard Sorry, 9450 isn't the right bug 13:49 oleonard Bug 9446 13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on Z39.50 servers administration page 13:54 drojf oleonard: is it save to assume that layout weirdness in master in non-english view is because of the unfinished translation files? eg. i see the new, fancy logout in the english staff client but the old with visible "log out" text when i view it in norwegian?! 13:55 oleonard Don't you need to rebuild your non-en templates after each change to the en templates? 13:56 drojf it's a fresh installation so i did 13:56 oleonard Hmm 13:56 drojf let me check if i forgot it the second time 13:57 drojf oh, it's possible i did! 13:59 kf drojf: you know what would be cool? to have some kind of warning pop up when you look at outdated files... 13:59 kf it happens soooo often 14:00 * oleonard can't seem to switch to de after installing it... 14:00 jcamins oleonard: do you want me to revert 9446? 14:01 kf oleonard: did you actiavet he language chooser too? 14:01 drojf oh a lot of warning i have not seen before, so you must be right oleonard 14:01 kf and leave systempreferences... that module is a bit weird 14:01 drojf warnings 14:01 wahanui warnings are nothing to worry about. 14:01 oleonard jcamins: I guess you reverting it and me submitting a revised version is the way to go 14:02 drojf oleonard++ #works now 14:02 drojf hm but still broken unicode in patron categories 14:05 kf jcamins++ the did you mean page is so nice 14:07 kf hmm lists look a bit weird, must be the custom css 14:10 kf hmmm 14:11 kf when i look at the lists of list they appear as underlined links - not sure yet why 14:12 kf hm ok, it seems to be normal, it stays like that after removing opacusercss and opacuserjs 14:12 kf drojf: could you take a look at the list of lists in opac for signs of weirdness? 14:19 drojf kf: i see underlining too and there is no indentation of the entries anymore (master) 14:19 kf oh right 14:19 kf bug 14:20 jcamins kf: bug? They've always looked like that, haven't they? 14:21 kf https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/# 14:21 kf nope 14:21 kf all I did there was to change the background color 14:22 jcamins That looks normal to me. 14:22 drojf ah that is exactly the one i used to compare 14:22 drojf :) 14:23 drojf yes but master does not look like that anymore 14:23 jcamins ? 14:24 jcamins I think I must not be understanding the problem. 14:24 jcamins Well, I'll see what it is when there's a bug/patch with a nice test plan. 14:24 * jcamins heads into the city. 14:26 drojf [off] http://abunchofthings.net/koha/listoflists.png 14:26 drojf that is what it looks like in master 14:26 drojf at least for me. kf? 14:27 oleonard That's not what it looks like to me 14:28 jcamins I don't see that in French. 14:28 drojf interesting 14:28 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 14:29 jcamins Must be the long German words. 14:29 jcamins Except that looks more like Norwegian? 14:29 drojf it is 14:29 drojf and it looks the same in english for me 14:30 jcamins Hm. 14:30 jcamins Germs? 14:30 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 14:30 jcamins That must be the problem. :P 14:31 drojf maybe. anyway, gotta shower and do some shopping. (shower si good against germs too ;) 14:31 drojf s/si/is 14:43 oleonard Sorry folks, this is not valid: <th/> 14:43 oleonard Just sayin'. 14:47 drojf but it looks cool :D 15:06 * drojf annoys libsysguy 15:06 libsysguy heh 15:08 magnuse drojf++ for being annoying ;-) 15:09 drojf heh. i learned a lot from kf :P 15:14 magnuse kf++ 15:16 magnuse drojf: i think the unicode thing with the patron categories is a problem with the norwegian sample data, unrelated to the search problem 15:16 magnuse it's on my list of things to look at 15:18 magnuse i believe there is a file of sample data that is not unicode or something like that 15:21 magnuse and drojf++ for testing bug 9256!! 15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 15:41 magnuse do we really have to say "Koha *Online* Catalogue" everywhere? shouldn't "Koha Catalogue" be enough? 15:42 kf magnuse: translating? ;) 15:42 magnuse trying not to :-) 15:43 oleonard magnuse: You could set your LibraryName pref 15:44 * oleonard would sign off on a patch which removed "online" 15:44 magnuse it's just that i'm seeing "koha online catalogue" in a thousand places... :-) 15:44 magnuse yay! one day... ;-) 15:44 magnuse gah, what is wrong with this file? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=installer/data/mysql/nb-NO/2-Valgfritt/patron_categories.sql;h=ee10681ade895260c08a906a555c4f3b1aafd5df;hb=HEAD ? 15:45 magnuse when i tell ff to display it as utf8 it looks good, but when it's loaded into the database and displayed in the patron category dropdown the æøå is wrong 16:04 drojf magnuse: we need koha *online* catalogue as opposed to our koha card catalogue ;) 16:05 magnuse hm, looks like the problem with the patron category dropdown might not be a problem with my data, but how it's displayed in that dropdown. when i go to edit a patron category the norwegian names look a1 ok 16:05 magnuse drojf: yeah there is that ;-) 16:06 drojf yes all other non-ascii things i have seen were ok 16:06 drojf but i have not looked around a lot 16:07 magnuse hm, adding the html_entity filter to the display fixes it 16:07 reiveune bye 16:07 magnuse i'll do a quick patch for that 16:21 magnuse drojf: if you do happen to have the time, perhaps you could have a go at Bug 9772 too 16:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9772 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page 16:21 magnuse since it sounds like you have a norwegian install going and have observed the problem 16:21 magnuse :-) 16:21 * oleonard wonders why one would ever want to auto-fill the call number field with MAX(itemcallnumber) 16:22 gmcharlt oleonard: accession numbering, presumably 16:23 oleonard meaning some libraries' call numbers are simply consecutive? 16:24 * oleonard should know better... mad schemes etc. 16:25 gmcharlt oleonard: yep; typically done for special collections where nobody but the librarian ever walks the stacks 16:26 oleonard That would be interesting in a public library. "I'm looking for a book..." "Well, when did we buy it?" 16:26 gmcharlt that, or it's an Extreme Library 16:27 gmcharlt "collocation by topic is for wimps... Real Librarians hold the catalog in their head!" 16:27 * oleonard is looking at YUI AJAX code in cataloging plugins. sadface. 16:28 magnuse @quote get 123 16:28 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 16:28 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:28 magnuse moahahaha 16:28 * magnuse takes the dogs for a walk 16:39 jcamins Many libraries use consecutive call numbers. 16:40 jcamins Actually, one of the weird things about the ANS is that it *doesn't*. 16:43 oleonard Anyone here familiar with value_builder/callnumber.pl? I'm trying to figure out what circumstance would invoke the code at line 97 http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=cataloguing/value_builder/callnumber.pl;h=64507f235442f78deb6dc757c32c221fc93c0b13;hb=HEAD 16:44 oleonard What kind of call number would that part of the script address? 16:44 oleonard if ( $code =~ m/^[A-Z.\-']+$/ ) 16:45 drojf oleonard: i think if you put in "whatever", it will look for the highest callnumber with "whatever". like you have "whatever 123" in your db, you will get "whatever 124" in the cataloguing thingy 16:46 jcamins The prefix must contain only capital letters, a periods, dashes, and apostrophes. 16:46 jcamins ... which is crazy 16:46 oleonard LOC-specific? 16:46 drojf oh i ignored the regex part 16:47 drojf nevermind me. sugar coma 16:47 jcamins oleonard: nah, must be a particular type of call number used in France. 16:47 jcamins The apostrophe is what gets me. 16:56 * drojf wonders why there are no authority types for normarc 16:57 jcamins drojf: because magnuse hasn't copied the MARC21 files over to te NORMARC directories. 16:59 drojf i'm sure they differ in one or two subfields :P 17:00 jcamins Actually, I think magnuse said that NORMARC didn't have an authority format. 17:00 drojf oh! that's interesting 17:02 oleonard Anyone here who speaks UNIMARC? 17:03 * jcamins guesses libsysguy ate a bit too much at brunch. 17:03 oleonard I thought maybe you were making a comment about the quantity of brunch you ate libsysguy 17:03 oleonard jinx 17:03 libsysguy I thought I was too 17:03 libsysguy but I didn't actually get brunch 17:03 libsysguy I was going to eat at the gym 17:03 libsysguy but I decided i felt too sick after my leg workout 17:03 libsysguy lol 17:07 magnuse drojf: jcamins is right, NORMARC does not define frameworks for authorities. i do plan to make the MARC21 auth frameworks work for NORMARC, though: bug 9057 17:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9057 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for athorities to NORMARC 17:08 drojf so that means you have normarc that gives you a handful of norway-special fields and you sacrifice all authority stuff for it? that sounds like an interesting idea ;) 17:10 magnuse #marcmustdie! 17:10 * oleonard is doing very wrong things with cataloging plugins 17:10 magnuse oleonard++ 17:11 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza 17:11 jcamins I made pizza yesterday. 17:11 jcamins It was delicious. 17:12 magnuse (with reindeer sausage and pomegranate for topping - it's like lots of little, red noses...) 17:13 jcamins Pomegranate? 17:13 jcamins Interesting. 17:13 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 17:18 magnuse jcamins: it's like small, sweet explosions in your mouth, which contrast really well with the salty sausage :-) 17:18 drojf i thought hamster was the topping of the week 17:18 magnuse lol 17:23 cait hi :) 17:23 cait magnuse: small sweet explosions? 17:24 jcamins Pomegranate. 17:24 cait mmh 17:25 jcamins ... why would you have a significant mass market paperback collection at a library and _not_ expose the records on your OPAC? 17:29 drojf jcamins: hipster librarian, only showing the cool stuff in the opac? 17:29 cait jcamins: not sure I can follow :) 17:30 jcamins cait: on one of my mailing lists, a librarian just asked about how others treat mass market paperbacks. 17:30 jcamins This particular library has them cataloged, but only lets staff see the records since patrons can't place holds on the books. 17:31 jcamins It seems to me that people who read mass market paperbacks would be more likely to come into the library if they knew there were books they were interested in. 17:31 oleonard Crazy talk! 17:34 drojf if you want to get people into reading, force them to start with heavy stuff they are not interested in before you tell them about the mainstream books you have :P 18:37 * oleonard cuts out early 18:37 jcamins Lucky! 18:43 jcamins Huh! I missed this one: http://www.loc.gov/marc/marbi/2010/2010-06.html 20:21 jcamins Did anyone else know we had keyboard shortcuts in Koha? 20:25 Oak :) 20:26 Oak i did not know. 20:26 jcamins Apparently Alt-r brings up the search screen. 20:27 Oak can't be a bug :) 20:27 jcamins Well, it could be, but I don't think it is. 20:27 jcamins The only problem is that on Macs, the Alt key is also the compose key. 20:27 Oak let's try all keyboard combinations 20:28 jcamins That's on the staff client, not the OPAC. 20:28 Oak hm 20:28 bgkriegel hi, Alt-r takes me to 'check in' (windows) 20:28 jcamins bgkriegel: really? 20:29 bgkriegel yep 20:29 jcamins Odd. 20:29 jcamins Oh, I see. 20:29 jcamins If the check in box is not visible, it takes you to search screen. 20:30 * jcamins thinks he can guess who chose the shortcut. 20:30 Oak who? 20:30 jcamins oleonard. 20:30 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 20:31 jcamins The 'r' is probably for "return," and that's a USian term. :) 20:31 bgkriegel well, in about page takes me to check-in also 20:31 Oak @wunder islamabad 20:31 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 18.0°C (12:00 AM PKT on March 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 20:31 jcamins bgkriegel: really? 20:32 bgkriegel yes, again 20:32 jcamins Okay, in that case I speculate that it doesn't function quite right on very old versions of Firefox on Mac. 20:32 jcamins :) 20:32 bgkriegel :) I'm in chrome 20:33 jcamins I'm on an old Mac with an old version of FF. 20:33 jcamins Also, I noticed that the key mappings all seem to be... weird. 20:35 bgkriegel is the same on ff, opera and safari 20:37 jcamins Yeah... according to the code, Alt-q should bring up the search page not Alt-r. 20:37 jcamins Hm. 20:37 jcamins Not that it matters. 20:37 jcamins We generally recommend using web browsers released within the last five years. 20:40 Oak me go now. take care all. 20:57 jcamins nora++ 20:57 jcamins melia++ 20:57 melia heh what am I getting a ++ for? :) 20:58 jcamins melia: I figure you're probably the one who got Nora signing off on things. :) 20:58 melia yep, with Kyle's help. I was going to do the git part for her. :) 20:58 jcamins You should teach her how to do the git part too. :) 20:59 jcamins Then she can sign off on even more! :D 20:59 melia I will! 20:59 jcamins On an unrelated note, bound-withs are cruel and unusual. 21:00 jcamins I am on item 7 in a 13-part bound-with, and it is sapping my will to classify. 21:10 jcamins melia: BTW, you know that the code for the sandboxes that BibLibre hosts is in the contribs repo, right? 21:10 melia yes, but I can't ever make the sandboxes work :( 21:10 jcamins I haven't had much luck with them either. 21:10 jcamins But the idea is inspired. :) 21:11 melia it is! 21:34 jcamins melia: you can sign off on multiple patches by using `git rebase -i origin/master` and choosing to "edit" each patch you want to sign off. 21:34 melia ah ok. let me try that. 21:34 jcamins Then, you do the "git commit --amend -s" to add your sign offs and `git rebase --continue` to move on to the next patch. 21:34 melia yes! I can see both of them now. thank you! 21:35 jcamins You're welcome. 21:35 jcamins That's the safe way of doing it. 21:35 jcamins You may also see references to "filter-branch." Ignore them. 21:35 jcamins (filter-branch being the incredibly dangerous way of doing the same thing) 21:36 melia ok 21:55 melia well, I've got them both signed off now but can't seem to get them attached again 21:55 melia what's wrong with this: 21:56 melia melia@ByWater-Test:~/kohaclone$ git bz attach -e 8943 <4a21cb0> 21:56 melia -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' 21:56 jcamins What error are you getting? 21:56 jcamins You have angle braces. 21:56 jcamins It should just be 4a21cb0 21:56 jcamins Or, alternatively, HEAD^ and then HEAD 21:56 jcamins No need to look up hashes. 21:57 melia oh duh 21:57 melia it's because it's in between those in the instructions on the wiki, and I just copy/pasted :) 21:58 jcamins Yeah, unfortunately there isn't really a consistent way that we indicate that you should replace the example with a real value. 21:59 melia you just need to use your head when you read the instructions :) 21:59 melia ok I finally got both signed off patches on there. thanks, jcamins! 22:00 jcamins Yay! 22:00 jcamins You're welcome. 22:01 bag YAY melia and jcamins with the assist :) 22:03 jcamins bag: this is the rewarding part of being RM. :) 22:04 bag :) 22:16 jcamins It's kind of impressive: when I arrived this morning, it was snowing briskly. By now the snow on the ledge outside the window has almost entirely melted. 22:21 rhcl ignore me, I'm just trying to find a chat client I like 22:22 jcamins rhcl: which have you ruled out so far? 22:22 rhcl Konversation 22:23 jcamins I use irssi. 22:23 maximep used to really like Konversation 22:23 celery yea, let me try that one. I used to use it many many moons ago 22:23 maximep but i'm a kde fan :p 22:23 celery Yea, me too, I run OpenSuse 22:25 maximep now i'm just connecting directly in Opera because i'm too lazy to install/learn anything else 22:25 jcamins maximep: I didn't realize that Opera had a built-in IRC client. 22:25 maximep it's also my mail client for the same reasons 22:26 rhcl ...wonder if Thunderbird has an IRC client.... 22:26 jcamins rhcl: I think so. 22:26 maximep chatzilla for firefox 22:26 jcamins Certainly FF does. 22:26 jcamins And maximep even knows what it is called. 22:28 maximep really hoping I won't lose any of those features of Opera when they switch to webkit 22:29 jcamins maximep: oh, yeah, I heard that Opera was switching to webkit. 22:29 jcamins Rather narrows the browser field. 22:29 maximep yeah they released the first beta of opera for android 22:29 maximep with webkit 22:29 jcamins The options will be: gecko/mozilla, gecko/mozilla, webkit, webkit, webkit, ie. 22:29 maximep looks and feels exactly the same as chromium, but a few extra features 22:30 jcamins (Mozilla, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, and IE, respectively) 22:30 maximep but weirdly, all webkit implementation are different in some major ways 22:30 maximep from chrome to chromium to safari to qt-webkit 22:30 maximep to gtk-webkit 22:31 maximep all fine for me if IE could die 22:31 jcamins Hehe. 22:31 jcamins Agreed. 22:33 maximep I guess I like being in the 0.01% of people using my browser configuration 22:33 maximep and having half the web not work for me :p 22:33 jcamins maximep: I thought you used Opera, not IE. :P 22:34 maximep Opera/Gentoo/No flash/No Javascript 22:34 maximep really fast :p 22:35 maximep of course I enable javascript for most websites because these days nothing works without it 22:35 jcamins You would not be able to edit records in my new cataloging interface. 22:35 jcamins celery1: how do you like it? 22:35 maximep yeah... that's why I stick to firefox at work hehe 22:36 celery1 well, this is Thunderbird. I kinda like it. 22:37 maximep 5 hours left today and it'S 17:34. Hmmm. That won't work. 22:37 maximep *of work left 22:37 jcamins maximep: ugh. 22:37 jcamins I hate it when that happens. 22:38 rhcl I had forgotten irssi was ncurses 22:41 maximep tried irssi, finch and a few others a few years ago. I like them, but I just don't want to learn a ton of key bindings 22:41 maximep just to be on irc 22:41 maximep and I was always missing stuff because I have too many terminals opened 22:42 jcamins Heh. 22:42 jcamins irssi runs on my development server, so when I'm doing Koha development I switch back and forth frequently. 22:42 maximep hmmm I guess that would be possible 22:43 jcamins When I'm working on other development projects, I check rather less frequently. 22:43 maximep always using 4 tabs in a screen session on my dev server 22:43 maximep could add a fifth 22:43 maximep with #koha 22:43 maximep because i'm the same way... I don't look much at this channel when i'm working on other stuff 22:43 jcamins Yep. irssi is tab 0, and 1-4 are for development. 22:50 maximep just can't concentrate on anything. Too tired. Time to go back home, I guess 22:50 jcamins Sounds like a good idea to me. 22:50 jcamins I'd do the same if I didn't have only 2 pamphlets left.