Time Nick Message 23:19 * dcook looks for his cheese and onion scones 23:19 dcook Have fun. I think it's late enough in the morning that I need to switch from sweet to savoury.. 23:18 rangi yep 23:18 dcook Right? 23:18 dcook Perth 23:18 dcook Ahh 23:18 * wizzyrea thinks it's time for lunch 23:18 rangi stupid timezones 23:18 dcook O_o 23:18 rangi ok i better get up and start getting ready for breakfast 23:17 rangi even if the gui option existed 23:17 rangi dcook: thats usually the safest/best way 23:17 rangi you could resurrect the undelete if you want, its still all there in code 23:17 dcook Unless the librarian is passing a list of barcodes to the systems person/folk 23:17 wizzyrea no, we blame he-who-shall-not-be-named 23:17 dcook Doesn't seem very user-friendly though 23:16 rangi select * from deleteditems where barcode='fish' into items (not the right syntax but something like that) 23:16 rangi not in koha, it got killed round 3.0 the code is still there, but you can do it trivially easily from mysql 23:16 wizzyrea or is that one of the lost functions 23:15 * dcook is curious about undelete as well 23:15 wizzyrea where is undelete? 23:14 rangi cos all the routines that delete now have to be changed to do some extra logic, undelete is also no longer a select into 23:14 wizzyrea (please) 23:14 wizzyrea explain 23:13 * cait waves good night 23:13 rangi and that is dangerous 23:13 cait so it's actually a very useful feature for more than resurrecting :) 23:13 rangi in schema 23:13 rangi cos otherwise the deleteditem table and the items table become different 23:13 cait rangi: I think libraries here have to keep track of every item they delete 23:12 * cait is quiet 23:12 cait ah... not for multiple reuses 23:12 rangi but i think probably if you want to reuse, you should just not save the deleted item 23:12 wizzyrea (rather interrupted myself) 23:12 cait wizzyrea: wouldn't it be enough to add just a d- or something? 23:12 wizzyrea *was the one that you wanted (didn't finish my thought there) 23:12 wizzyrea sure you couldn't necessarily tell which one (biblionumber is in there too though) 23:12 rangi its an option 23:11 wizzyrea but I do think that appending the itemnumber to the barcode could be a way round this - at least then you could get a list out of all items that HAD that barcode. 23:11 cait but I admit that inventory numbers are an exception .. 23:11 rangi exactly 23:10 wizzyrea but why would you know the itemnumber 23:10 cait so losing the barcode would not be so bad, the inventory numberis normally written or stamped into the book 23:10 wizzyrea naw you can't find a specific item without the barcode, unless you know the itemnumber 23:10 cait here we also have inventory numbers 23:10 cait hm in part 23:10 rangi nuking barcodes makes the table pointless 23:10 wizzyrea yea, might as well not even do that 23:10 rangi if you want to reuse barcode 23:10 rangi so just dont save to it 23:10 rangi the deleteditems table is useless 23:09 rangi if you delee the barcode 23:09 rangi no point 23:09 cait if you want to reuse 23:09 cait *shrug* 23:09 cait deelte the barcode before deleting the item 23:09 wizzyrea but people will still see 5c as an expense 23:09 rangi wizzyrea: they cant find it if it has no barcode and they dont know the itemnumber 23:09 wizzyrea buy more barcodes, it's cheap 23:09 wizzyrea it's a 123 23:09 wizzyrea it doesn't make sense 23:09 cait I am not sure reusing barcodes really makes sense, the only use case I can think of is non-repogrammable rfid tags 23:08 cait the field is limited in size 23:08 wizzyrea but it does keep it unique 23:08 wizzyrea because when you are resurrecting, the itemnumber is ignored 23:08 wizzyrea they wouldnt :P but they wouldn't have to 23:07 rangi yeah but how would hte librarian know the itemnumber 23:07 rangi its the only human identifable part of an item really 23:07 wizzyrea barcode + itemnumber 23:07 wizzyrea ;) 23:07 wizzyrea it'd get pretty mad 23:07 rangi read them all? 23:07 rangi how about if you have 500000 of those 23:06 wizzyrea append an identifier "barcode-deleted" 23:06 rangi so if you nuke barcode on delete, how do you ever find it to undelete? 23:05 rangi once you nuke the barcode 23:05 rangi you cant find it 23:05 wizzyrea unless my logic is flawed there somehow. 23:05 wizzyrea then you can resurrect the item, and give it a new (old) barcode 23:05 wizzyrea (but only that) 23:05 rangi exactly 23:05 wizzyrea whereby you nuke out the barcode. 23:05 rangi nope that would lose it 23:04 wizzyrea or have an option to "reuse barcodes" 23:04 rangi which is a bigger bug :) 23:04 rangi the only way round it is to lose the ability to resurrect deleted items 23:04 wizzyrea reusing barcodes causes a problem 23:04 wahanui rumour has it a bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber 23:04 rangi whats a bug? 23:03 wizzyrea (even though barcodes are cheap) 23:03 wizzyrea but I think that's a bug 23:02 melia ok I got you. thanks rangi! 23:02 rangi yes 23:02 rangi but only when they try to delete the new item 23:01 melia I figured. b/c the barcode is still stored in deleteditems, right? 23:01 rangi (cause problems melia) 23:01 rangi it will 23:01 dcook I certainly like the concept. Now the little hamsters in my brain are trying to figure out how to make it, rangi :p 23:01 melia a library has asked if it would cause any problems within Koha if they re-use barcodes from deleted items. anybody have opinions on that? 23:00 * rangi hopes that makes sense 23:00 rangi and it gets saved 23:00 rangi then all you need to do is post it to the svc/ api 23:00 rangi but yeah if you had client side stuff to manipulate the marcxml 23:00 cait inspiring :) 22:59 rangi :) 22:59 rangi and, is bascially a firefoxOS app too 22:59 rangi will be a zillion times faster 22:58 rangi id be inclined to use localstorage and html5 22:58 rangi and then do the editing etc all client side 22:58 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "1 bug signed-off, 1 failed qa. midnight. going to bed... #kohails" 22:57 rangi and use that to save your record 22:57 rangi that you can throw xml at 22:57 rangi its a restful (ish) api 22:57 rangi thats what marcedit is hooking into 22:57 rangi look at the api in svc/ 22:57 dcook You could catalogue an entire record quite quickly without taking your hands off the keyboard 22:57 rangi heres how id do it 22:56 dcook Cataloguing is a tough one. Personally, I really did like cataloguing interface in Horizon 22:56 dcook Both those thoughts have been crossing my mind these past couple of minutes 22:56 rangi making a better cataloguing page would be probably easier 22:55 rangi the way that page is generated and saved, would make it very tricky 22:55 rangi hehe 22:55 dcook I didn't know you could read my mind, rangi :p 22:54 dcook hehe 22:54 rangi dcook: a lot harder than you think 22:54 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8389906/Taupo-policemans-dance-duel-goes-viral 22:49 dcook Or to clone pairs of subfields together.. 22:48 dcook I wonder how hard it would be to allow drag 'n drop for repositioning.. 22:47 dcook Bob Elgie's message on Koha General is pretty interesting. It is rather annoying to clone and re-position subfields in Cataloguing :/ 22:37 * cait waves 22:36 rambutan hi 22:36 eythian hi 22:05 dcook morning #koha 21:58 wizzyrea :D 21:57 rangi i have the dvd ill bring it to work 21:57 eythian oh, that's a good movie 21:56 wizzyrea i will have to google that 21:56 rangi which reminds me wizzyrea you need to see eagle vs shark 21:54 wizzyrea i sure do 21:54 rangi you know who does his voice eh? 21:53 wizzyrea birds are cute, but that one is a bad guy. 21:53 cjh yeah :( 21:53 wizzyrea cjh have you seen RIO? 21:51 rangi like a laughing serial killer 21:51 cjh what isn't there to like: http://bicycle2011.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/major-mitchell-cockatoo-pictures.jpg 21:51 rangi kookabura = sounds mental 21:51 rangi they are 21:50 cjh although if they are wild they are probably loud.. 21:50 cjh cockatoos are awesome 21:50 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/309419758535729153 21:48 rangi outside somewhere 21:48 rangi and a retarded monkey crow 21:48 wizzyrea ok yea you win. 21:48 rangi nope but there are trees full of cockatoos 21:48 wizzyrea not sure what the monkeys are doing, but they are EXCITED. 21:47 * wizzyrea has that problem every morning 21:47 wizzyrea are you sure you don't just live near the zoo? 21:47 cjh heh 21:47 rangi they all sound utterly ridiculous 21:47 rangi wtf is wrong with all the birds in australia 21:47 rangi plus the crows sound like retarded monkeys here 21:45 cait ew 21:45 * wizzyrea thinks "that's the summer I'm used to" 21:44 cjh I'm not sure I would survive that. 21:44 cjh oh wow 21:43 rangi sposta be 34 today 21:43 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Perth, Western Australia is 18.0°C (5:00 AM WST on March 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 21:43 rangi @wunder perth australia 21:43 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found. 21:43 rangi @wunder perth,wa 21:24 * cait_afk goes back to baking cake 21:24 cait_afk oleonard++ 21:16 oleonard Later #koha 20:53 Morthland Grace and Peace! 20:53 Morthland I have to run. I'll let yall know how it comes. 20:51 libsysguy what did I do? 20:51 libsysguy 0_0 20:50 cait_afk libsysguy++ 20:48 Morthland root owns it. 20:48 Morthland as root, 20:48 cjh who currently owns the folder? and what user are you doing this as? 20:47 Morthland right click, properties, permissions 20:46 cjh how are you modifying it? 20:46 Morthland my file access keeps resetting to --- 20:43 wizzyrea no I meant the directory, 20:43 Morthland Do I make this the owner of the folder? 20:43 wizzyrea he installed from source 20:43 Morthland out of copyright. We have a pretty substantial bibliacl studies library. 20:43 cjh Morthland: if your look in your /etc/apache2/sites-enable/ for your apache2 file, there may be a line like "AssignUserID mykoha-koha mykoha-koha" mykoha-koha is your koha user. 20:43 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot group 20:43 wizzyrea forget group 20:43 wahanui group is there 20:43 wizzyrea and what group? 20:43 wizzyrea and who owns ooc? 20:41 Morthland sorry, yes, it is in var/www/files/ooc 20:41 Morthland I haven't mentioned one that I know of. 20:40 wizzyrea (if you mention one) 20:40 cjh Morthland: you will need to make /var/www/files readable and execute for the koha user that you mention inside your apache config. 20:40 jcamins I was reading what you typed while I typed the correction. 20:40 jcamins Sorry. 20:40 jcamins */var/www/files/ooc 20:39 jcamins Morthland: the directory should be /var/files/ooc 20:39 Morthland Should I change the owner? 20:39 wizzyrea gah sorry grammar fail 20:39 wizzyrea do 20:39 cjh at least in packages they do. 20:39 cjh ahh the vhost definitions have assignuserid, didnt see that. 20:39 wizzyrea the packages does 20:39 Morthland just for /var/files/ooc 20:39 jcamins Wait... does Koha not use itk by default? 20:38 wizzyrea ok never mind then. 20:38 jcamins cjh: No, Koha user- itk separates users. 20:38 wizzyrea yes, actually you're right, I was thinking of the context of mpm-itk 20:38 cjh Morthland: did you modify the permissions for /var/www / 20:38 cjh wouldnt the apache user have to have read access to /var/www, not the koha user? 20:38 Morthland yes. 20:37 cjh Morthland: have you restarted apache after making those changes? 20:32 Morthland I just get 404. 20:30 jcamins No, definitely not. 20:29 Morthland not scriptalias? 20:25 wizzyrea ^ that 20:25 jcamins That'll go in both VirtualHosts. 20:25 Morthland right. 20:25 jcamins What you want to do is add this line to your Apache config: Alias /files "/var/www/files" 20:24 jcamins At some point there was an Apache config that pointed to /var/www in addition to /usr/share/koha 20:24 Morthland My koha is in /usr/share 20:24 Morthland I installed from source 20:24 jcamins Or when. 20:24 jcamins wizzyrea: nah, it depends how you installed Koha. 20:23 wizzyrea yes, that must be it 20:23 wizzyrea maybe you must have the default site enabled? which allows access to /var/www 20:23 wizzyrea yea I was just pondering that - 20:22 jcamins I don't remember. 20:22 jcamins You may need to add a line to your Apache config too. 20:22 wizzyrea http://library.url/files/file.pdf 20:22 Morthland How would I link to that? ../../../../../var/www/files? 20:21 wizzyrea (files probably doesn't exist) 20:21 wizzyrea or make a folder /var/www/files 20:20 wizzyrea and host stuff there. 20:20 wizzyrea is make a folder in /var/www/files and make sure your koha user can read it 20:20 wizzyrea yea, ok what you should do 20:20 Morthland no luck. 20:20 Morthland but I moved it to /koha/opac/cgi-bin/koha/ooc 20:20 Morthland well, originally I had it in /koha/opac/ooc, 20:19 wizzyrea where are you keeping it? 20:19 Morthland I receive the error 500. 20:18 Morthland I am trying to host a PDF off of my Koha instance 20:18 * jcamins prefers the phrase "less than optimal." 20:16 wizzyrea "less optimal" 20:16 wizzyrea :/ 20:16 jcamins Which doesn't stop me trying... it just means I fail... 20:16 melia I know. there are oodles! 20:16 jcamins The number of bugs in NSO/SO has gotten to the point that I can't follow them at all. 20:15 jcamins melia: thanks. 20:15 wizzyrea sorry it's a boggly kind of morning. 20:15 wizzyrea user permissions?! 20:14 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot default framework 20:14 wizzyrea forget the default framework 20:14 wahanui the default framework is ok in this case 20:14 wizzyrea and the default framework?! 20:14 wizzyrea but stuff like "standard authority types" 20:14 wizzyrea it's "other data" - Mandatory 20:14 melia ah ok. good thing I asked, then! :) 20:13 jcamins melia: it needed another sign off, and I didn't notice that Ed had provided it. 20:13 oleonard Is it 'sample' if it's mandatory? 20:13 wizzyrea i'm sure there's a very good reason (tm) 20:13 wizzyrea why on earth do we allow people to uncheck mandatory sample data? 20:10 melia or wait - is it waiting for QA again? I can't tell what's going on there! 20:09 libsysguy man that one is old 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs 20:09 melia jcamins: may I ask the status of bug 5079? you said in Comment 46 that you would push it if there were no objections. has it been pushed, or is it going to be? 19:59 oleonard And the vBulletin board 19:58 wizzyrea ...google group. 19:58 jcamins lol 19:58 oleonard And the Google Group :P 19:58 jcamins Mailing lists, mostly. 19:58 wizzyrea and/or the mailing lists. 19:58 wizzyrea also, no, there is not a community bulletin board, I think that's why we have the newsletter 19:55 erosen THANKS! 19:52 cait_afk erosen: Koha or Koha-devel are probably the ones you want - please don't cross post :) 19:51 erosen just couldn't find it 19:51 erosen thanks, that was what I was looking for... 19:50 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 19:50 oleonard mailing lists? 19:49 erosen At least I assumed there was a community bulletinboard part where you could post questions...do you know if there's a discussion group somewhere else,(perhaps//) 19:48 erosen the part where you log in to read it... 19:48 erosen its actually the wordpress part of the site, not the announcements...I was hoping to put up a posting about a migration project I'm working on... 19:47 oleonard That looks to me like it has lots of content 19:47 oleonard http://koha-community.org/feed/ 19:46 erosen it isn't loading the RSS feed with the postings...I dont know if its a problem on my end or if the site is down 19:46 oleonard What kind of problem erosen? 19:45 mib_iy84k7 I'm new to the koha community, and was just wondering if anyone else was having problems with the RSS feed on the wordpress part of the site... 19:43 oleonard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb1lcIugxOk) 19:43 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/eaqSUNGc 19:43 oleonard When I saw this message I heard it in Lucy Liu's robotic voice 19:43 mib_iy84k7 hello 19:43 alohabot Hi mib_iy84k7, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 19:39 tcohen i'll start soon, hope you qa those patches :-P 19:39 * libsysguy is sad there is no font for sarcasm 19:39 libsysguy so I was hoping to have something to tinker with HAHA 19:39 libsysguy I don't think there are enough patches to QA 19:38 libsysguy :p 19:38 libsysguy I was hoping it'd be done by the time I got back from lunch 19:38 libsysguy yeah before I left weren't you an magnuse going to refactor the code base 19:38 wahanui jcamins: sorry... 19:38 jcamins wahanui: true only in part. 19:37 wahanui well, the refactoring is not rewriting it is abstracting. 19:37 tcohen the refactoring? 19:37 libsysguy done yet? 19:37 libsysguy tcohen and headway on the refactor? 19:36 libsysguy indeed 19:36 tcohen scones++ 19:35 libsysguy mmm scones 19:34 jcamins [off] Nope. Archivist. 19:34 oleonard [off] Is that person an intergalactic bounty hunter by chance jcamins ? 19:33 jcamins [off] You know what's really weird? I know someone by that name. 19:31 melia lol 19:18 oleonard [off] Just ran across a great name in our patron database... Kit Fluker. Sounds like a Star Wars character 19:16 tcohen probably jcamins 19:15 jcamins tcohen: that's because you haven't done it enough. :P 19:13 tcohen i must say, i don't hate refactoring 19:12 tcohen bye magnuse 19:08 * magnuse gotta run 19:08 magnuse just to maybe set the ball rolling, feel free to edit 19:08 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013#Crowdfunding_for_big.2C_boring_improvements.3F 19:05 tcohen cait_afk: testing is what you are doing or were talking about conditions for refactoring? 19:04 tcohen u rock magnuse 19:04 magnuse tcohen: me too ;-) 19:04 magnuse i'm adding it to the agenda for the next irc meeting :-) 19:03 rambutan Just FYI, I'm finding the discussion quite interesting. 19:03 tcohen i'm just negotiating magnuse 19:03 cait_afk automated testing I mean 19:03 cait_afk and tests :) 19:03 cait_afk tcohen: I think breaking up into small pieces is the art 19:03 * cait_afk starts making dinner 19:02 magnuse well, is that an arguement against trying to improve anything? 19:01 tcohen how many rebases would I do before my head blows? 19:01 melia our time is about to change here… hhm I think this weekend, maybe? 19:01 melia ah daylight savings, yes 19:01 tcohen consider I refactor some C4 lib into the Koha namespace making it fully OO 19:01 cait_afk melia: the time was 1 hour off for me It hink 19:00 cait_afk melia: I think someone in another timezone - with daylight savings would be good 19:00 jcamins And backlog length. 18:59 tcohen the problem is priority 18:59 magnuse the usual way? 18:58 tcohen how whould we manage signing-off/acceptance? 18:58 magnuse not necessarily everything at once, though 18:58 tcohen got it 18:56 jcamins tcohen: refactoring everything. 18:55 tcohen i am starting a fund raise to send me to Reno 18:55 tcohen magnuse, jcamins: crowdfunding for what exactly? 18:38 magnuse jcamins: true 18:36 melia so still needs SO then, if there are any willing testers about! 18:36 khall I believe I used bz apply, then modified the patch and reuploaded it. That would explain cait's SO on it 18:35 jcamins magnuse: it's worth a try, but you'd have to find someone interested in doing the work who was able to quantify it. 18:35 magnuse libsysguy_lunch, tcohen, jcamins: could we consider crowdfunding? "we need to do some boring fixing, if you or your library could contribute $10/$100/$1000 it would really help" sort of thing. just a thought 18:34 tcohen i vote for dancer 18:34 melia ok happy shopping, cait! :) 18:34 cait have to go to the supermarket 18:34 cait melia: it woudl be good if someone from a different timezone could test - i can also rerun my test, but not right now :) 18:33 cait jcamins: yep, I come toh this conclusion too 18:33 jcamins It has not been signed off. 18:33 jcamins cait: looks like you uploaded a rebased version. 18:33 melia khall? trying to clear up confusion on bug 9014, if you're around 18:33 wahanui hmmm... dancer is lighter but it doesn't have quite the backing that catalyst does 18:33 magnuse dancer? 18:33 cait we should maybe correct htat 18:33 cait it's about adding a datetime pref that formats hours differently 18:33 cait ah the headline is wrong actually 18:32 cait tcohen: ? 18:32 tcohen isnt' it a parameter one can just add? 18:32 cait the problem was the today time on the slip 18:32 tcohen why is it needed a patch for that? 18:32 cait not sure if he fixed the issue 18:32 cait hm seems like kyle did something, reattached the patch and switched form failed qa to needs sign-off 18:31 melia yeah, I was confused reading the notes on the bug report. I couldn't tell for sure if you'd signed off or not, but it's still marked "needs signoff" 18:30 cait gthe patch has a sign-off line from me - that is a bit weird if I didn't sign off 18:30 cait I am trying to remember 18:30 cait because he was confused about what went wrong for me 18:30 melia oh did you guys figure out the problem? 18:30 cait melia: hm I think I had talked about this one with kyle on irc 18:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add time due to slips 18:28 melia anybody around who wants to test an easy patch? bug 9014 works for us but not for cait, so I was thinking maybe we could get a third person to test it out and see how it goes. there's a video showing you how to test in Comment 29. 18:20 * tcohen reading 18:18 libsysguy its a pretty informative post imho 18:18 libsysguy a question I posed to the reddit perl community 18:18 libsysguy tcohen http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/1932ed/question_regarding_catalyst_and_its_moose/ 18:18 jcamins Anything will work well with T::T. It's the rest of the code that's problematic. 18:17 tcohen (that's what I read ysterday) 18:17 tcohen Mojo behaves well with template-toolkit 18:17 wahanui i already had it that way, libsysguy. 18:17 libsysguy heh indeed it is wahanui 18:16 wahanui well, MOjo is a sticky trap 18:16 tcohen MOjo? 18:16 libsysguy heh indeed it is wahanui 18:16 wahanui i guess catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts 18:16 libsysguy catalyst? 18:16 tcohen i want to rewrite Koha using some framework libsysguy puts over the table, actually 18:15 libsysguy tcohen welcome to the dreamers corner 18:15 jcamins :) 18:15 jcamins tcohen is daydreaming about refactoring Koha's code to be object-oriented and fully Plack-compatible. 18:15 tcohen i imagine libsysguy 18:15 libsysguy refactor in cycles or just start over 18:14 libsysguy tcohen I had this debate with jcamins a long time ago 18:14 cait :) 18:14 cait what did I miss? 18:14 cait oook 18:14 jcamins And the PSGI fixes need to come regardless of anything else. 18:14 jcamins Moo or Class::Accessor could go in 18:14 tcohen we are almost deadlocked 18:13 tcohen the problem is patches for that wont be accepted if we don't move PSGI 18:13 jcamins The larger issue is that refactoring is not something we do well. 18:13 jcamins I like Class::Accessor, but it doesn't matter. 18:13 libsysguy really Moo would be a better option that Class::Accesor 18:12 tcohen Object oriented how? Fully OO? Using Class::Accesor? 18:12 jcamins And as for rewriting everything in Koha to be Object-Oriented and clean, no one is going to be paid to do it. 18:12 libsysguy that one statement will take at least 4 release cycles to implement 18:12 jcamins Right. 18:11 tcohen but we need (1) to at least consider it 18:11 tcohen an ORM will always be heavy 18:11 tcohen (1) Make Koha work under PSGI (2-a) Choose to have or not a persistent layer (2-b) At least have a fully OO set of libs 18:10 libsysguy indeed 18:09 jcamins That's why it's important that Plack work. 18:09 libsysguy you *need* persistence 18:09 jcamins Right. 18:09 tcohen moving to PSGI is key then 18:09 libsysguy DBIx::Class will definitely slow it down if koha still uses strictly CGI 18:09 jcamins So we need a way to balance the weight added by DBIx::Class. 18:09 jcamins Add in DBIx::Class and it is likely to become *very* slow. 18:08 jcamins Koha is already slow. 18:08 jcamins tcohen: DBIx::Class is heavy. 18:08 tcohen jcamins, I see no relation 18:08 tcohen libsysguy: that's a pity 18:00 * libsysguy waives the white towel 18:00 libsysguy tcohen I gave up 17:59 jcamins And, of course, no one gets paid to do any projects of that sort. 17:59 jcamins But I won't push it until nginx+Plack is a viable option out of the box. 17:58 jcamins There's a patch for adding DBIx::Class. 17:58 jcamins Not really. 17:58 tcohen libsysguy was on that? 17:58 wahanui nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though 17:58 jcamins Nothing. 17:58 tcohen what happened with making several stuff OO? 17:58 jcamins That would be nice. 17:57 tcohen we need to fully decouple the business logic from the templates/view and stick with some framework for the controlling/routing stuff and migrate then migrate the templates there 17:51 jcamins But we don't support mod_perl either, so that wouldn't help much. 17:51 tcohen Plack::App::WrapApacheRec 17:43 kf bye all :) 17:43 kf heh 17:40 * oleonard watches unused module-level variables scramble up the stairs 17:39 kf lol 17:39 * jcamins wiggles back and forth and says "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" in a robotic voice. 17:39 jcamins Hehe. 17:39 * kf thinks exterminate... when reading destroy and should probably go home 17:38 jcamins kf: right, code has to be thread-safe, destroy unused module-level variables, and without side-effects. 17:37 jcamins No one other than me uses Plack heavily, it would seem. 17:37 kf jcamins: I think the trick is to program thread safe? or something like thatß 17:37 jcamins ^^ that page explains how to set up Plack. 17:37 wahanui Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. 17:37 jcamins Plack? 17:36 * tcohen feels alone in the dark 17:36 jcamins Not in this case, though, most likely, because I don't see the problem. 17:36 jcamins Yup. 17:36 jcamins *with a 17:36 jcamins Often witha a fix. 17:36 tcohen its just try/error? 17:36 jcamins Every time I find a problem, I report a bug. 17:36 jcamins No. 17:36 tcohen is there some docs to read about to move to plack-compliance? 17:07 jcamins It means the code was relying on side-effects of the way Apache runs Perl scripts rather than actually doing everything that needs to be done. 17:06 wahanui the code is kept at git.koha-community.org 17:06 jcamins oleonard: the code. 17:06 oleonard When things don't work under Plack does that say something bad about the code or about Plack? Or is it neutral? 17:04 jcamins Almost nothing does. 17:02 kf sometimes it feels like nothing used to work under plack? 17:01 jcamins drojf: indeed. 17:01 drojf a shame 16:59 jcamins Lists do not work under Plack. 16:59 jcamins Oh, look. 16:57 reiveune bye 14:46 oleonard It uses the XSLT display handling we added to the OPAC 14:45 jcamins That looks nice. 14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9652 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Call number column on list view displays commas when no callnumbers exist 14:44 oleonard My work on Bug 9652 seems to have expanded in scope a little... http://screencast.com/t/MW2LZ8iv8r (in progress) 14:15 magnuse all is well that ends well... 14:13 magnuse hehe 14:13 nengard good for those who like that kind of thing to read through the logs 14:13 nengard with a lot of troubleshooting :) 14:13 nengard it was a LONG back and forth though 14:12 nengard or so i understand 14:12 nengard ta da - new clean working package 14:12 nengard all they're going to do is a fresh install, restore the old db and let Koha upgrade the db 14:12 nengard turns out we wasted a lot of time :) 14:12 * magnuse could have read the backlog... 14:12 magnuse kia ora nengard - how did your package adventure go yesterday? 14:04 kf hi Mpeul 13:45 kf hi paul_p 13:31 oleonard The record I tested has an additional author in 700a 13:31 kf back to signed off? 13:30 kf oleonard: could you reset your yui patch I failed? I will try again tonight 13:30 kf I will try again - thx for the hint :) 13:30 kf oleonard: weird - I tried that 13:30 oleonard kf: It only appears if OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay is off 13:29 * oleonard has been working for 13 minutes, needs a break too! 13:29 * magnuse takes a break 13:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB 13:27 magnuse it worked before Bug 3087 got pushed, to be precise 13:26 magnuse drojf: feel free to use squeeze - it worked before 3.10 13:26 oleonard We must have something, there is a screenshot to prove it 13:26 drojf (as opposed to just squeeze). did it work before? 13:25 kf oleonard: couldn't retest - but I was wondering - I thought we didn't have additional authors in opac yet? 13:25 drojf magnuse: why should one use squeeze-dev to verify it does not work? 13:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 13:23 * magnuse crosses his fingers for bug 9256 13:22 * oleonard wonders if kf got the OPACPopupAuthorsSearch to work 13:17 oleonard Hi #koha 13:07 * magnuse thinks "waves to" sounds more friendly than "waves at" 13:06 * magnuse waves at wizzyrea1 13:01 jcamins Yay! 13:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 13:01 magnuse the good news is i *might* have found a cure for Bug 9256 12:59 magnuse drojf: sounds like the same problem, yeah 12:58 drojf yes there is something weird about remove. i tried to remove an instance and re-do it at the workshop and i could not recreate it because of errors due to some leftover stuff. we worked around it with a new instance and i forgot about it 12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9754 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-remove does not remove the stuff in /var/lib/koha/ 12:58 magnuse Bug 9754 12:56 magnuse yay 12:55 kf magnuse++ :) 12:53 jcamins Good idea. 12:52 magnuse i'm repoprting it as a bug 12:51 magnuse and after creating and removing quite a few sites the permissions in there are completely wonky 12:51 magnuse me neither 12:51 jcamins magnuse: I did not realize that. 12:47 magnuse huh, koha-remove does not remove the stuff in /var/lib/koha/ ? 12:47 alex_a fallait pas le dire 12:47 alex_a oops 12:47 alex_a drogue++ 12:43 drojf caffeine++ 12:41 kf espresso time! 12:41 kf I had hoped so :) 12:40 jcamins Fine with me. 12:40 kf galen and martin signed off and I wouldn't test different than I already did for QA 12:39 kf jcamins: I have passed qaon the barcode search patch - hope it's ok for you :) 12:39 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 12:39 jcamins @later tell dcook Self-signoff lines are fine, there just has to be an additional sign-off before patches go to QA. 12:32 arungit christ, I have deleted the record without deleting the item, i think this is an issue it seems. But now problem is, i have not given a item number for deleted record 12:19 christophe_c try rebuild -where"biblionumber=yourbibnumber" arungit 12:12 arungit I had deleted the records from zebraqueue 12:07 arungit tried but still its showing 11:53 christophe_c you have to put in crontab rebuild -z -b -v (if you want) and rebuild -z -a [-v] 11:52 christophe_c and have you a line for the same with recordDelete ? 11:51 christophe_c done value is arungit ? 11:50 arungit do i need to delete from zebraqueue? 11:49 christophe_c I can't remember but... a thing like that 11:49 christophe_c we made a patch 11:49 christophe_c if not .... the record was deleted then updated .... :-D 11:49 arungit Christ its in a zebraque showing operation = specialupdate 11:48 christophe_c and if in zebraqueue you see your biblionumber with done ==1 try to check if the recordDelete was after the specialupdate for this bibnumber 11:44 arungit let me check 11:43 christophe_c maybe arungit you could check if your record is realy deleted in the DB an by the way in the zebraqueue table 11:43 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 11:43 kf interesting? 11:42 arungit i had cleaned the cache? 11:42 arungit KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v -x 11:41 arungit KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v 11:38 christophe_c and in your browser have you cleaned the cache arungit ? 11:37 christophe_c it would be better to have the line in your crontab 11:37 christophe_c humph with -z arungit ? 11:36 arungit yes... 11:34 christophe_c arungit: after the deletion ? 11:34 arungit i have rebuild it 11:30 drojf hi kf :) 11:29 christophe_c hello arungit you have zebra ? 11:24 arungit could you please assist me in this regard? 11:24 arungit Hi Community, I had deleted some bibliographic record and still its showing in the OPAC? 11:22 kf hi drojf 11:22 kf nice 11:22 drojf hi #koha 10:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (11:30 AM CET on March 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 10:54 magnuse @wunder marseille 10:32 kf thx wahanui :) 10:30 wahanui circcontrol is set to... 10:30 kf circcontrol? 10:30 wahanui homeorholdingbranch is there to tell which of the two fields of items homebranch or holdingbranch is to be considered in circulation. 10:30 kf homeorholdingbranch 10:29 kf so what's the difference between circcontrol and homeorholdinglibrary? 10:29 kf hm 09:18 fredericd hi 09:17 kf fredericd: hi :) what do you want to know? 09:17 fredericd kf: Could you give me some info about BSZ? 08:39 magnuse kia ora kf 08:38 kf hi christophe_c, Herwig, magnuse and #koha 08:34 * magnuse waves 08:32 Herwig Morning Koha 08:32 christophe_c hello kf 08:28 gaetan_B hello 08:06 christophe_c but he have deconected 08:05 reiveune thanks christophe_c 08:05 christophe_c ok reiveune I have spoken with mib_ in MP 08:03 alohabot Hi mib_cbyp9d, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 07:55 christophe_c mib_justin: yes you can 07:55 mib_justin ok ? 07:55 mib_justin please in english 07:55 reiveune s/sasi/sais/ 07:55 reiveune christophe_c: salut, mib_justin me demande si on peux consulter catalogue Koha offlin ; tu sasi toi ? 07:55 christophe_c hello mib_justin 07:55 mib_justin hello chris 07:55 mib_justin ? 07:55 mib_justin can i know where u from 07:54 christophe_c hello all 07:54 mib_justin me too 07:54 mib_justin no problem 07:54 reiveune with a poor english level 07:54 mib_justin how long u use koha 07:54 reiveune yes 07:54 mib_justin ? 07:54 mib_justin reiveune ..are u human 07:53 mib_justin haha 07:53 reiveune mib_justin: wahanui is a bot . for your answer, no I don't know, sorry 07:52 mib_justin for koha 07:52 mib_justin u know where can i find offline catalogue 07:52 wahanui mib_justin: sorry... 07:52 mib_justin wahanui i want know abt fornts in koha 07:52 reiveune mib_justin: yes 07:51 mib_justin u use koha ? 07:51 wahanui i guess reiveune is working for biblibre 07:51 mib_justin reiveune 07:51 mib_justin yes 07:50 reiveune hello 07:49 mib_justin ? 07:49 mib_justin can i talk with u 07:48 mib_justin hello wahanui 07:46 wahanui hello, syedsust 07:46 syedsust hello 07:36 alex_a bonjour 07:23 mib_justin can any one help me how to download catalogue 07:21 mib_justin i just start using KOHA 07:21 mib_justin hello 07:19 alohabot Hi mib_justin, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 07:07 syedsust Please help me 07:07 syedsust I have koha website problem 07:07 syedsust Hi, everybody 07:05 syedsust hi, any there ? I need help 06:20 dcook wajasu++ 06:20 dcook wajasu: thanks for following up with that patch :) 06:19 dcook Ta, #koha! 06:15 cait good morning #koha 06:15 cait :) 06:15 cait hi dcook 06:14 dcook hey cait :) 05:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7062 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , barcode titles not truncating 05:46 wajasu i noticed bug 7062 might need to depend on 2499, 2499 is successful. 05:30 wajasu will do that. 05:30 dcook Yep, as far as I know 05:29 wajasu can i just vi the patch, by deleting the line and replacing it? 05:28 dcook Ah the joys of routine 05:27 dcook hehe 05:27 wajasu its hard to change my pattern. i usually sign off. 05:26 dcook I'd suggest re-submitting without the sign-off line and then changing the Bugzilla status to "Needs Signoff" 05:26 dcook I take it that you attached it with git bz? It includes a sign-off line for you 05:26 wajasu yes. 05:25 dcook wajasu: Did you write that patch? 05:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed 05:23 wajasu bug 2499 hopefully helpful 05:05 dgl-library Bye for now #koha 05:05 dgl-library Thanks 04:46 dgl-library Yep. 04:46 jcamins So, even less to do with Koha than I thought. 04:46 jcamins Sounds like it. 04:45 dgl-library Hmm. Koha is running on Debian inside Virtualbox on an Ubuntu host. It seems Koha is reachable within Debian and not outside it. If I restart the virtual Debian box, I'm fairly sure this problem will go away. Is this a Virtualbox networking bug? 04:42 jcamins Koha is just a series of scripts that reside on your server, and the web server software provides access to them via a web browser. 04:41 dgl-library ok, let me try that 04:41 jcamins You can try restarting Apache with a command something like: sudo service apache2 restart 04:41 dgl-library ¿? 04:41 jcamins That's your web server rather than Koha. 04:41 dgl-library This happens every week or two. 04:40 dgl-library Not accessible from the web browser 04:40 jcamins What do you mean stopped or gotten stuck? 04:39 dgl-library Quick question: How do I restart Koha from the command line if it seems to have stopped or gotten stuck? 04:38 dgl-library Hi #koha 04:07 cjh \o 04:07 druthb o/ 01:36 eythian it wasn't supposed to be that warm today 01:25 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on March 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 01:25 eythian @wunder nzwn