Time  Nick               Message
23:15 eythian            bye tcohen
23:11 wizzyrea           later :)
23:11 tcohen             leaving now, bye #koha
23:09 trea               >.>
23:09 trea               purely coincidental
23:08 wizzyrea           now you're getting it
23:08 eythian            I wonder if there's a connection....
23:08 tcohen             t-rea wizzy-rea
23:07 wahanui            "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
23:07 wizzyrea           the first question?
23:07 trea               thanks, just confirming
23:07 wizzyrea           it shouldn't
23:05 jcamins            *knowledge
23:05 jcamins            Not to my knowlede.
23:04 trea               hey #koha does opac suppression have any impact on holds fulfillment?
23:01 eythian            I don't think work will send me on the weight of my beer knowledge alone :)
23:00 tcohen             you are the beer expert right? you don't need to do anything
22:55 eythian            I suppose I should write a talk or something
22:52 jcamins            October.
22:52 tcohen             when is KohaCon13 happening?
22:47 eythian            which is why its results were different from wget.
22:46 wizzyrea           oops.
22:46 eythian            and nothing else was
22:46 eythian            proxy
22:46 eythian            I bet apt was set up to use a proxt
22:46 eythian            oh, you know what
22:44 eythian            I don't think I've heard of it.
22:44 eythian            I know, sounds like a great idea :)
22:44 tcohen             have you played closure?
22:43 wizzyrea           beer and pretzels role playing game?
22:42 eythian            http://www.koboldsatemybaby.com/
22:41 drojf              fancy, have fun
22:40 nengard            LOL
22:40 tcohen             OMGH
22:40 nengard            good night all! Thank you
22:40 nengard            speedy car :)
22:40 nengard            if you all missed it :)
22:40 eythian            later
22:40 nengard            http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100476556009836&set=a.603557324226.2165668.10518624&type=1
22:39 tcohen_flamer_mode good luck nengard
22:39 nengard            and now i think i'll go out in the FL sun and put the top down on my fancy rental car and drive super fast (if the old FL drivers let me)
22:38 nengard            I'll stick to my training and documentation thank you very much
22:38 tcohen_flamer_mode yeah, don't mess with all this new gender theories
22:38 nengard            and let me say that i could never do what you all do :)
22:38 nengard            you guys are all the best (guys as in peoples not just boys) :)
22:37 nengard            works for me
22:37 nengard            okay good
22:37 eythian            at least, the one I saw
22:37 eythian            it was totally unrelated
22:37 eythian            no
22:37 nengard            i can search koha
22:37 nengard            and do i need to restart it before i go?
22:37 tcohen_flamer_mode stick with Debian
22:37 nengard            now what did we kill
22:37 nengard            okey dokey
22:37 eythian            yeah, the packaging link should do the job.
22:37 drojf              ;)
22:37 drojf              that should do for a debian guy
22:36 nengard            drojf thanks - that I did have
22:36 nengard            also do i need to turn on indexing again ... did we turn that off?
22:36 drojf              ^^ this
22:36 wahanui            well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
22:36 drojf              packages?
22:36 drojf              hm
22:36 nengard            before I go and get away from the computer?
22:36 wahanui            debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
22:36 drojf              debian?
22:36 nengard            i'll email him what you all said here - but anything else
22:36 * wizzyrea         puts away the popcorn
22:36 nengard            is there a link or rules i want to share with this guy
22:36 drojf              and steaks
22:36 nengard            :)
22:36 * drojf            gets the sausages
22:36 eythian            yeah, I prefer debian, but ubuntu 12.04LTS is also fine.
22:36 drojf              i'm sure it's the good kind of flame
22:35 nengard            uh oh ... flamer mode ...
22:34 nengard            either one is fine
22:34 nengard            so he's okay with that
22:34 nengard            he asked if it would run on ubuntu
22:34 nengard            and what's the ubuntu thing
22:34 nengard            anythign else he needs to know
22:34 drojf              there is a debian guy, don't scare him away with ubuntu
22:34 nengard            to tell him to install koha fresh and take the mysql dump bring it in and let koha upgrade it
22:33 tcohen             BTW, try that Ubuntu 12.04 thing
22:33 nengard            so i'm copying this for the debian guy - who gave up and left me
22:33 nengard            okay
22:33 nengard            my tired brain is so relieved
22:33 tcohen             heh
22:33 nengard            omg
22:33 nengard            omg
22:33 nengard            omg
22:33 tcohen             belive it, Koha is magical
22:33 drojf              nengard gets a completely different perspective :)
22:33 eythian            when you first start it up with the old data, it'll force you to run through the upgrade process.
22:32 drojf              we should have hand-on installation sessions more often :)
22:32 eythian            yeah, the upgrade process takes care of it for you.
22:32 nengard            OMG
22:32 nengard            even thought the old db has different fields
22:32 bgkriegel          yep
22:32 eythian            sure, you put old data into a new koha system and it'll see that it's old and upgrade it for you.
22:32 nengard            and the import the db and it will work?
22:32 nengard            do a fresh install
22:32 nengard            so we do a mysqldump
22:31 nengard            really???
22:31 eythian            it'll upgrade itself
22:31 nengard            i'm so confused guys ... picture a tired sleepy and nausious nicole and speak slowly
22:31 eythian            it'll work
22:31 eythian            you just .. do
22:31 jcamins            Why are you trying to upgrade in a broken system? Just move the data.
22:31 nengard            how do we import old data from a 3.9.4 db to a 3.10.3 system
22:31 eythian            you can move the data
22:31 nengard            they have data
22:31 eythian            why not just do a fresh system now then?
22:31 nengard            but we need to get the db upgraded so that it works
22:31 eythian            wait
22:30 nengard            once we get this solved if we get this solved they're going to do a fresh system and copy the db over
22:30 eythian            heh
22:30 drojf              that looks fine. i would have love an extra apt partition of 1513b
22:30 tcohen             (never used Mandriva, Mandrake was my first distro, then moved to Gentoo, then Debian)
22:29 tcohen             jcamins: urpmi was really awesome
22:29 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "df -h" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/433
22:28 nengard            k
22:28 nengard            oh
22:28 nengard            i tried so many things
22:28 drojf              df -h
22:28 wizzyrea           type it
22:28 nengard            what was that?
22:28 nengard            i don't remember if i did the df hting
22:28 eythian            and it doesn't exist
22:28 eythian            oddly, your system is trying to access it
22:28 drojf              did you try the df -h thing?
22:28 nengard            hmm
22:28 eythian            that's what should happen on a working system
22:27 eythian            damn
22:27 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/432
22:27 tcohen             THAT is not funny at all!
22:26 eythian            wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
22:26 eythian            try this:
22:26 eythian            there's something else funny
22:26 nengard            but yes
22:26 nengard            not my system! :)
22:26 eythian            nengard: yeah, but your system is weird
22:26 tcohen             heh
22:26 nengard            have we hit a wall? .... oh maybe not
22:26 eythian            hey wait
22:26 nengard            okay guys, we were supposedly close like a hour ago :)
22:25 jcamins            tcohen: no... Mandriva predated the Internet. :P
22:25 eythian            tcohen: that's because no one uses Mandriva :)
22:25 nengard            that means nothing to me :)
22:25 tcohen             flame warning> that wouldn't have happened in Mandriva
22:24 nengard            got it back
22:24 nengard            k
22:24 eythian            type 'reset'
22:24 tcohen             to get your terminal back (if chars are broken)
22:24 nengard            it's a blinking cursor at 9;c
22:24 eythian            I'm very confused why that works and apt doesn't though
22:24 tcohen             run reset
22:24 nengard            seems to have stopped or failed or something
22:23 eythian            putting a binary file to the terminal is often not ideal
22:23 nengard            yeah that's good?
22:23 eythian            yeah
22:23 nengard            all kinds of characters
22:23 tcohen             FORBIDEN?
22:23 nengard            and it's going forever and error
22:23 nengard            the wget thing
22:23 nengard            that doesn't look good
22:23 tcohen             fmj, great movie BTW
22:23 nengard            um
22:22 drojf              they have their own disnet
22:22 wizzyrea           it is a huge corp, we can only assume that they have mad security schemes
22:21 tcohen             try the wget again
22:21 nengard            do i do that
22:21 drojf              unfortunately i got this mickey mouse march from full metal jacket stuck in my head now. thanks disney :p
22:21 tcohen             wget -O- http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
22:21 wizzyrea           :)
22:21 wizzyrea           it's fine, not important.
22:21 eythian            possibly :)
22:21 wizzyrea           we are talking past each other
22:20 eythian            -O - just puts output to stdout
22:20 wizzyrea           no i meant for the -O_
22:20 eythian            I hate how apt doesn't tell you the actual file it's fetching
22:20 eythian            wizzyrea: they shouldn't all be the same size though
22:19 jcamins            I wonder what the proxy is sending... I'm guessing "This site's security policy does not allow access to these resources. The attempted security breach has been logged."
22:19 * wizzyrea         doesn't know, just speculating
22:19 wizzyrea           maybe not, the packet was less than 1513B?
22:19 eythian            (and it worked which is strange)
22:18 eythian            tcohen: scroll up, tried that
22:18 tcohen             wget -O -
22:18 eythian            it's almost certainly network related shenanigans
22:18 eythian            that's also the same size.
22:18 eythian            Get:29 http://debian.koha-community.org squeeze/main i386 Packages [1,513 B]
22:18 eythian            it won't help
22:18 nengard            or was that a joke too
22:18 eythian            all those files are coming out at the same size
22:18 nengard            do i install the keyring thing?
22:18 eythian            Get:33 http://ftp.debian.org squeeze-updates/contrib Sources [1,513 B]
22:18 eythian            Get:32 http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/main Sources [1,513 B]
22:17 tcohen             :-P
22:17 eythian            hey you know what's suspect
22:17 nengard            NO WAY
22:17 drojf              lol
22:16 tcohen             format C:
22:16 nengard            seconds
22:16 tcohen             sudo apt-get install debian-keyring
22:16 nengard            not it's not that long at all
22:16 nengard            sorry - phone
22:16 eythian            snap
22:16 drojf              heh
22:16 drojf              and after what eythian says, what does 'df -h' say?
22:16 eythian            also, paste the output of df -h
22:16 eythian            like that bit.
22:16 eythian            <eythian> (like, is it 1 second or more like 10)
22:16 eythian            <eythian> or is it really quick?
22:16 eythian            <eythian> nengard: when it's saying "Waiting for headers", does it take a long time?
22:16 eythian            nengard: parts of it, yes
22:15 eythian            drojf: worth a check
22:15 nengard            am i supposed to follow this? :)
22:15 drojf              there wouldn't be no space left on the device?
22:14 eythian            the GUI tools will run, but I'd expect them to have the same errors when you tell it to update the package list.
22:14 wizzyrea           so I'd guess "no"
22:13 wizzyrea           I can't tell you that. The sources she pasted were quite old
22:13 eythian            was it working though?
22:12 wizzyrea           sure but... it was running earlier
22:12 eythian            only, makes it harder to see the errors
22:12 eythian            wizzyrea: it all uses the same stuff on the backend
22:12 wizzyrea           for her sources.
22:12 wizzyrea           i wonder if she should try using the gui management for this?
22:12 eythian            (like, is it 1 second or more like 10)
22:11 eythian            or is it really quick?
22:11 eythian            nengard: when it's saying "Waiting for headers", does it take a long time?
22:11 nengard            hmm
22:11 eythian            the real issue is whatever is causing: 87% [2 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [8 Release.gpg 0 B/1bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
22:11 wizzyrea           alright then.
22:11 eythian            because that's just a symptom
22:11 eythian            wizzyrea: no
22:10 wizzyrea           W: GPG error: http://debian.koha-community.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 doesn't it seem odd that they keys have nodata?
22:10 wizzyrea           we aren't concerned by
22:10 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (199 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/431
22:08 nengard            k
22:08 eythian            when you've done that, run sudo apt-get update again
22:07 huginn             04Bug 8128: blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, can't seem to run new sql reports
22:07 wizzyrea           incidentally, the patch for the problem you ahve is here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8128
22:07 nengard            not scared at all
22:07 eythian            that's OK
22:07 nengard            heh
22:07 eythian            you should get a warning: rm: cannot remove `partial': Is a directory
22:07 eythian            type this one very carefully: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
22:06 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/430
22:05 eythian            nengard: paste the results of ls -lh /var/lib/apt/lists
22:03 eythian            possible :)
22:03 tcohen             or it just got fixed :-P
22:03 * eythian          tries something
22:02 eythian            that suggests it's not a proxy problem
22:01 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/429
22:01 tcohen             nengard: if repeating for koha's repo gives the same error, its a proxy problem
22:01 nengard            oops
22:01 eythian            nengard: you didn't try all the commands, you missed the first one.
22:00 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/428
22:00 jcamins            Oh, I thought I just didn't understand what you were saying. ;)
22:00 tcohen             i had window focus problem, talking to one pichu
22:00 jcamins            :)
21:59 tcohen             it was jcamins
21:59 jcamins            (no, that response had nothing to do with the topic at hand, but I thought it was funny;)
21:59 pastebot           "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "nengard: try these commands, see if you get the same results" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/427
21:59 nengard            k
21:58 jcamins            It's like Marco Polo, except instead of being a child's swimming game, it's a historic ruin in Peru.
21:58 nengard            what he said
21:58 nengard            rambutan i don't know
21:57 eythian            rambutan: no, it probably wouldn't
21:57 eythian            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macchu_pichu <-- bad spelling
21:57 rambutan           http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=80324
21:57 rambutan           nengard: I'm only half-way following the topic here, but would using >sudo apt-get dist-upgrade help your problem?
21:57 nengard            ?
21:57 eythian            maccu?
21:57 tcohen             pichu
21:57 eythian            think
21:57 eythian            yeah. let me thing of a test...
21:56 nengard            i couldn't do a fetch from git on my laptop vm - so it  might be the latter ? network flakey
21:55 nengard            nope, nothing
21:55 nengard            typo
21:55 nengard            wait
21:55 nengard            eythian nothing
21:54 eythian            basically, there is Something Wrong with either your current package cache, or with your network that's causing flakey downloads.
21:54 nengard            back
21:54 eythian            I don't think this will be the problem, but it'd pay to check
21:54 eythian            ?
21:54 eythian            nengard: is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
21:52 Irma               hi wizzyrea thanks :-)
21:52 wizzyrea           hi irma - I got  your request taken care of :)
21:52 eythian            yeah, that should be OK.
21:51 nengard            i'll brb - don't go away - i'll be super quick
21:51 * eythian          checks my VM
21:51 eythian            no, I think that looks OK
21:51 eythian            hmm
21:50 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sources - you're right it's in there 2 times" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/426
21:49 nengard            uh oh
21:49 eythian            paste your sources.list file?
21:49 eythian            you have two sets of deb lines hitting different servers but fetching the same stuff
21:49 eythian            wait
21:49 jcamins            tcohen: libwww-perl, apparently.
21:49 tcohen             which package contains GET and POST commands? didn't know them
21:49 nengard            so where do we go from here
21:47 eythian            weird, you get different results to me, but it still looks correct.
21:47 nengard            lunch is churning in my tummy so i appreciate all the help!!
21:46 nengard            you guys rock by the way!!
21:46 nengard            who was it that said i was close? :)
21:45 nengard            i think that's right
21:45 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ftp thingy" (102 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/425
21:45 jcamins            That's very cool!
21:45 jcamins            Do you know, I never knew about the GET command.
21:44 eythian            you should see lines like "<head><title>Index of /debian/</title></head>"
21:44 eythian            if you run 'GET http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/', what do you see?
21:44 nengard            we are behind a firewall
21:44 nengard            eythian it's possible the librarian isn't sure ?
21:44 tcohen             a proxy breaking files
21:44 eythian            tcohen: the indexes aren't downloading properly
21:44 eythian            I'm suspicious that you're behind a proxy or something
21:44 tcohen             is there something about keyring or tls?
21:43 nengard            just confirming
21:43 nengard            so i should do that even if apt-get update failed
21:43 wahanui            new dependencies are optional.
21:43 jcamins            New dependencies.
21:43 jcamins            apt-get upgrade will not actually upgrade Koha.
21:42 nengard            so i was waiting to do that until update worked
21:42 nengard            update kept throwing errors
21:42 nengard            not yet
21:42 tcohen             u tried the sudo apt-get upgrade command, right?
21:41 nengard            and a new guy is here who will help us once we get back on stable
21:41 nengard            the guy who did install left
21:41 nengard            so he's not sure
21:41 nengard            yes it's Disney and the's a one person librarian and he didn't do the install
21:41 nengard            opl = one person library - sorry getting tired here
21:40 tcohen             there have been some tls and ssl updates recently on debian/ubuntu, what are thse updates?
21:40 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "everything" (178 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/424
21:40 drojf              nengard: i thought it's an opl you are doing that for
21:40 nengard            eythian okay
21:40 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sudo apt-get -f install" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/423
21:40 drojf              i'd +1 from "do fresh package install"  to "do a fresh debian install and then packages" :P
21:39 nengard            opl?
21:39 eythian            paste the whole output of the update command, not just the bits with warnings. Include your command line.
21:39 drojf              ?
21:39 drojf              do you think the opl person knows what other things are running on that machine=
21:39 tcohen             what does sudo apt-get -f install do?
21:39 tcohen             (no, just jidding)
21:39 tcohen             just reboot
21:38 nengard            weird makes me tired
21:38 drojf              that bzip2 sub process thing looks weird too
21:38 cjh                its the same error as before
21:38 tcohen             exactly
21:38 wizzyrea           nodata is a weird one
21:38 tcohen             is not a gpg error
21:38 drojf              my gpg errors usually look differently
21:37 nengard            k
21:37 tcohen             e
21:37 tcohen             nop
21:37 nengard            so i try the key line again?
21:37 nengard            k
21:37 wizzyrea           gpg error
21:37 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "more damn errors!" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/422
21:36 nengard            after killing
21:36 nengard            trying again
21:36 jcamins            drojf: hehe
21:36 nengard            k
21:35 tcohen             it will break indexes, which will be rebuilt on update
21:35 nengard            that's not encouraging
21:35 tcohen             of course :-P
21:35 nengard            won't break anything?
21:35 nengard            so we are okay with the killing??
21:35 drojf              jcamins: not anymore HAHAH
21:35 tcohen             its like zebra, but for packages info
21:35 jcamins            Probably the server is used for a lot of other things, too.
21:35 nengard            killing is okay?
21:34 nengard            i don't know what is it?
21:34 jcamins            A full-text indexer.
21:34 drojf              what is xapian?
21:34 tcohen             sudo kill -9 1015 ; sudo apt-get update
21:34 drojf              kill it with fire
21:34 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "grep apt" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/421
21:33 tcohen             ps -ef | grep apt
21:33 nengard            how do i find that?
21:33 tcohen             there's a background index updater running
21:33 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "new errors?" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/420
21:33 * cjh              hopes it won't be exactly the same
21:33 * wizzyrea         suspects they won't be exactly the same
21:32 nengard            no wait
21:32 wizzyrea           exact same?
21:32 nengard            now wait
21:32 nengard            same errors
21:32 nengard            hehe
21:32 drojf              repeat even
21:32 nengard            k
21:32 drojf              the update one
21:32 drojf              repear the last command
21:32 wahanui            rumour has it now is good time with holidays coming up
21:32 nengard            now what?
21:31 nengard            okay i did
21:31 wizzyrea           make it go away
21:31 drojf              synaptic or whatever
21:31 cjh                make sure all other package management software is closed
21:31 nengard            synaptic is running
21:31 drojf              yeah that has to go
21:31 wizzyrea           or update manager/
21:31 wizzyrea           do you have software center running?
21:31 nengard            yes
21:31 wizzyrea           is there a gui on this machine?
21:31 wizzyrea           looks like you maybe have the GUI update thinger running?
21:31 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "keys" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/419
21:30 drojf              ouch that looks… strange
21:30 wizzyrea           looks like she doesn't have keys for anything
21:30 tcohen             apt-get update? no errors?
21:30 nengard            did that
21:30 tcohen             wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -
21:30 tcohen             update your keys
21:30 nengard            followed the email
21:30 nengard            wizzy i did the key thing
21:29 nengard            errors
21:29 pastebot           "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "errors for apt-get update" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/418
21:29 wizzyrea           yea, you might need a new key
21:29 drojf              i think the gpg key changed so that may be good for another error message maybe. but tell us what you get after sudo apt-get update
21:28 wizzyrea           sudo apt-get upgrade
21:28 wizzyrea           sudo apt-get update
21:28 wizzyrea           and do each one at a time
21:28 wizzyrea           or you can omit the &&
21:28 nengard            okay trying again
21:28 wizzyrea           because you keep typing the wrong thing in the wrong place :P
21:28 cjh                and show us the error :)
21:28 wizzyrea           sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
21:28 nengard            okay tell me what to try next
21:27 nengard            why do i keep getting errors :(
21:27 drojf              yes
21:27 nengard            am i really
21:27 drojf              oh. you're so close!
21:27 nengard            thanks guys
21:27 nengard            and i think i give up
21:27 nengard            oh it's there
21:26 drojf              it is supposed to replace the line with koha squeeze-dev blahblah
21:25 drojf              not in the command line
21:25 wizzyrea           says magnuse
21:25 drojf              the line with 'deb' goes into /etc/apt/sources.list
21:25 wizzyrea           make sure "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" is in "/etc/apt/sources.list",
21:24 nengard            okay bash: deb: command not found
21:22 drojf              magnuse: good night, if that was a goodbye ;)
21:21 nengard            of course did that already
21:20 * magnuse          wishes #koha a good $time_of_day
21:20 magnuse            nengard: and by all means do a mysqldump first :-)
21:20 chris_n            yes, the current action should be default
21:20 jcamins            Ah. That'd work for me.
21:19 chris_n            I took wajasu's suggestion as adding a configurable path syspref
21:19 jcamins            As long as it will continue to work as it has for people who don't have the fonts, and as long as that's in a separate patch, if it can get signed off and QAed before the freeze, I'll accept it.
21:19 wajasu             i'd just make it syspref configurable and it would depend on the font/path being available and the user's responsibility (i.e. optional)
21:19 wahanui            chris_n: I forgot something
21:19 chris_n            wahanui: forget something
21:19 chris_n            we should not put them in the repo I thnk
21:19 chris_n            jcamins: installing fonts would be the user's responsibility
21:18 wahanui            it has been said that something is wrong....
21:18 jcamins            Or something.
21:18 jcamins            They may not be installable.
21:18 jcamins            chris_n: the fonts.
21:18 * chris_n          did not read back far enough
21:17 wajasu             two patches of course.
21:17 chris_n            jcamins: in reference to ?
21:17 jcamins            There were concerns about dependencies
21:17 magnuse            i agree with drojf: make sure "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" is in "/etc/apt/sources.list", then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" should give you 3.10.x
21:17 chris_n            but I'm sure there would be lots of folks who would happily install said fonts if that resolved the issue
21:16 jcamins            wajasu: do it in two patches if you must.
21:16 cjh                also what drojf mentioned, missed that :)
21:16 jcamins            And it should be http://
21:16 drojf              and http
21:16 chris_n            wajasu: seems I encountered some resistance to that back in the day
21:16 drojf              there shouldn't be a 0 there and it is community
21:16 cjh                squeeze0main should be squeeze/main
21:16 cjh                nengard: ahh your apt sources entry sounds wrong
21:16 chris_n            wajasu: it would probably be worth the trouble, but would require having the particular font installed on one's koha server
21:16 nengard            oh you did say there were new keys
21:16 nengard            failed to fetch htt://debian.koha-commuinty.org/koha/dists/squeeze0main/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
21:16 drojf              (just guessing)
21:15 drojf              new gpg key?
21:15 nengard            okay update isn't working ? i get an error:
21:15 wajasu             chris_n: is it worth working on putting support for a unicode font [another patch] (configurable path), and embedding it in the PDF, so we might get diacritics working? or is that too much?
21:14 magnuse            eeek! ;-)
21:14 * wizzyrea         defers to magnuse on things packages
21:13 wahanui            drojf: I forgot update
21:13 drojf              wahanui: forget the update
21:13 nengard            silly bot
21:13 wahanui            the update is probably good because it tells people a new syspref has been added
21:13 nengard            the update
21:13 nengard            magnuse and all doing that now
21:12 chris_n            wajasu: sounds good
21:12 magnuse            ... if it has not been done in a while
21:11 magnuse            nengard: you might need to do "sudo apt-get update"
21:11 drojf              nengard: and btw i have done that once or twice without problems, i do not recall the versions though
21:11 nengard            okey dokey
21:11 drojf              nengard: yes
21:10 wajasu             chris_n: i coded it so if text_wrap_cols = 0, which it isn't now, since its calculated, it will truncate without wrapping, but we'd need to add a way to configure truncation, but thats for another day.
21:10 nengard            so what drojf said ? that will get me on stable?
21:10 nengard            right
21:10 wizzyrea           (because you are on dev)
21:10 nengard            so there is no upgrade?
21:10 nengard            magnuse it says 3.9.1 is installed and 3.9.1 is the candidate
21:09 drojf              that is why you should change the /etc/apt/source.list entry :)
21:09 nengard            i'm on squeeze-dev
21:09 magnuse            nengard: "sudo apt-cache policy koha-common" should tell you what version you get if you upgrade
21:09 drojf              squeeze is stable
21:08 nengard            that was a suggestion to get to stable eventually - we're open t suggestions
21:08 drojf              nengard:  put in  'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main', make a apt-get update and then upgrade. that will give you 3.10. if that is 3.9.something now it is a newer version and should be alright. downgrading from dev to older stable would be weird maybe
21:08 nengard            how do i get to stable from here then?
21:07 wizzyrea           you should always run stable
21:07 nengard            this from the linux expert talking over my shoulder :)
21:07 nengard            or should we (spitballing here) update the dev package and then when 3.12 comes out start a new machine with stable and keep him stable from there
21:07 wizzyrea           eythian would have better advice on that - he's not in yet
21:06 nengard            can we upgrade from dev to main?
21:06 wizzyrea           no idea what you'll get though.
21:06 wizzyrea           sure, try it. debian.koha-community.org says that squeeze-dev was last generated 28 feb
21:06 chris_n            wajasu: thanks for working on that :)
21:05 drojf              that cleared that up :D
21:05 nengard            oops
21:05 * magnuse          should have specified "*sudo* koha-list" if you want to check if you are on a package install
21:05 chris_n            wajasu: that sounds like a good idea
21:05 nengard            or am i maiking no sense
21:05 trea               and if you do that, then next time, instead of reports not working it will be something else.
21:05 drojf              that will give him another weird version
21:05 nengard            cause we're not doing it anymore?
21:05 nengard            or are we saying we don't have an updated version of that package
21:05 nengard            but if the only thing i can do for free to help him is upgrade him - will apt-get upgrade do it?
21:05 wajasu             chris_n:ok. i got proportional font wrap for labels working. i wonder if i should make it so if you specify justify='Center', the left_text-margin is ignored, and only applies to the barcode so that one can center the barcode
21:04 nengard            he should be on stable/main
21:04 nengard            i agree with you all
21:04 nengard            he's a solo librarian it's not a public catalog he just wants the darn thing to let him save reports right now
21:04 trea               why would he do that
21:04 trea               but that's still a dev install
21:04 drojf              he does not want taht
21:04 wizzyrea           i don't think we're making dev packages right now?
21:04 nengard            then it's just what trea said
21:04 nengard            okay but if he just wanted to upgrade what he has now
21:04 wajasu             chrin_n: ok. i got proportional font wrap for labels working.  i wonder if i should make it so if you specify justify='Center', the left_text-margin is ignored, and only applies to the barcode so that one can center the barcode
21:04 wizzyrea           and the keys changed recently, eythian sent out keys
21:04 wizzyrea           you probably want squeeze-main
21:03 drojf              look
21:03 nengard            koha/squeeze-dev
21:03 drojf              :D
21:03 wizzyrea           what does it say
21:03 drojf              the blabla is the important part
21:03 wizzyrea           no, the blah blah is important
21:03 nengard            it's the dev package
21:03 drojf              what wizzyrea says
21:02 nengard            debian.koha-community ? blah blah
21:02 wizzyrea           but the dev.
21:02 * wizzyrea         suspects it's not got the main
21:02 nengard            i was typing that trea
21:02 nengard            hehe
21:02 wizzyrea           what's in your apt-sources.list
21:02 nengard            do i just do that
21:02 trea               sudo apt-get upgrade koha-common
21:02 nengard            now ...
21:02 nengard            so...
21:01 wizzyrea           ...
21:01 nengard            okay folks we are on a package install
21:01 trea               problem solved
21:01 trea               dump the data, install on packages, and run the upgrade
21:01 * joltt            test
21:00 trea               that was going to be my suggestion
21:00 drojf              i walked 20 people through package installation lately, most of them never used linux and/or command line stuff before
21:00 wizzyrea           you only get stable releases
21:00 wizzyrea           plus the cron jobs are all taken care of for you
20:59 wizzyrea           easy.
20:59 wizzyrea           as in apt-get upgrade koha-common
20:59 wizzyrea           yea, it's a lot easier to upgrade packages too
20:59 drojf              nengard: wouldn't it be easier to take the data backup, throw away whatever koha that is and install packages? they could probably do that themselves
20:59 druthb             cait and I keep working on a teleportation device.  I have the software just about hacked, but she's hit a snag on hardware.
20:58 drojf              …yet!
20:57 jcamins            Alas.
20:57 jcamins            Not that there's any way to taste wine over IRC.
20:57 jcamins            drojf: indeed.
20:56 drojf              jcamins: yay for the future we live in
20:55 drojf              break it for free, repair it in your spare time
20:55 jcamins            Back in 1985, I don't think they were discussing wine internationally on the internet.
20:55 wizzyrea           and is probably beyond the scope of "free support on the internet"
20:54 wizzyrea           i get that, but I think this is probably not something you want to be responsible for
20:54 jcamins            Apparently it used to be really hard to develop an expertise in wine in NZ.
20:54 nengard            if i could
20:54 nengard            was just trying to be helpful
20:54 nengard            i agree
20:54 nengard            of course
20:54 wizzyrea           doing it right is worth the money.
20:54 wizzyrea           but seriously nengard - if their ILS is important, and it always is
20:53 wizzyrea           and from here.
20:53 wizzyrea           oh it's like anywhere, there's awesome wine and not awesome wine here.
20:53 jcamins            I think I might make it the Wine-Oceania category.
20:53 jcamins            Actually, it was the Wine-Australian category.
20:52 wizzyrea           the awesome category?
20:52 wizzyrea           that fixed it
20:52 jcamins            I have bad news: I need to put New Zealand in the same category as Australia.
20:52 wizzyrea           to find the patch
20:52 nengard            no budget
20:52 wizzyrea           the other option is
20:52 nengard            he's a one person library
20:52 wizzyrea           or a previous development version
20:52 nengard            i agree
20:52 wizzyrea           i mean, the poor fella is on a standard install, that is master
20:52 nengard            :p
20:51 nengard            hmmm
20:51 * jcamins          favors C & P, but you might be partial to this other company I've heard of. ;)
20:51 wizzyrea           remember, open source isn't about cost, it's about freedom.
20:51 wizzyrea           I recommend that he pay someone to do it (like your esteemed colleagues)
20:51 jcamins            A support vendor?
20:51 nengard            so what do i recommend?
20:51 nengard            which he's on
20:50 nengard            cause of a bug that was in 3.9.4
20:50 nengard            cause he has no one to upgrade him and he can't save reports
20:50 nengard            but he's gonna ask the same questions
20:50 nengard            i agree
20:50 nengard            but i don't see kohaclone
20:50 wizzyrea           I think you should not be attempting this.
20:50 nengard            i found usr/share/koha
20:50 nengard            where do find the root of kohaclone - remember i didn't install this
20:50 jcamins            Wherever you downloaded Koha to, that's where it is.
20:50 wizzyrea           but it says that in the instructions anyway.
20:50 jcamins            P and L are capitalized.
20:49 wizzyrea           PL sorry
20:49 cait               yep
20:49 jcamins            Makefile.PL
20:49 wizzyrea           then it's in the root of your kohaclone.
20:49 cait               it's in your koha directory
20:49 nengard            nothing
20:49 wizzyrea           Makefile.pl
20:49 wizzyrea           capitalised.
20:48 nengard            where is makefile.pl ? i'm not finding it when i locate -i makefile
20:48 nengard            so i was trying to ask the following
20:48 nengard            no more mibbit
20:48 nengard            let's try this
20:44 wizzyrea           you are here now
20:44 nengard            okay
20:44 nengard            so mibbit sucks
20:44 nengard            does mibbit suck? :)
20:44 nengard            am i here
20:43 wahanui            logs is, like, http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
20:43 oleonard           logs?
20:42 nengard            were my questions coming through before
20:41 nengard            stop that
20:41 nengard            grr
20:39 wizzyrea           shoot
20:35 wahanui            question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
20:35 nengard            okay question
20:32 cjh                too slow :)
20:31 wizzyrea           also perhaps it's not debian?
20:28 wahanui            well, sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff or http://xkcd.com/149/
20:28 wizzyrea           sudo?
20:26 nengard            bash: apt-get install: command not found
20:26 nengard            something is funky here
20:26 nengard            hmmm
20:21 jcamins            But... maybe?
20:21 nengard            yes agreed with wizzyrea and i would patch if i understood what was going on :)
20:21 wizzyrea           the answer to that, is clearly "yes"
20:21 jcamins            I would have said "no," because it never occurred to me to ignore the instructions.
20:20 nengard            keeps kicking me out
20:20 wizzyrea           in that area
20:20 nengard            grrr
20:20 wizzyrea           to be clear I'm not asking you to fix it - I'm only asking if there is work that needs to be done :P
20:20 jcamins            Patches are welcome.
20:19 wizzyrea           (obviously)
20:19 nengard            i've never typed the commands i see under UPGRADE in that doc
20:19 jcamins            Right, that doesn't actually do the whole upgrade.
20:19 wizzyrea           I'm not sure that's clear to everybody.
20:19 nengard            when i'm on my VM i type 'git fetch' and then 'git rebase origin' and then go to the browser and upgrade
20:19 jcamins            wizzyrea: right, you follow the exact same instructions.
20:19 jcamins            nengard: I am sure you could pay someone.
20:19 wizzyrea           no i meant about "how to upgrade a git installation"
20:18 jcamins            wizzyrea: I doubt it. After all, the instructions say very clearly "UPGRADE."
20:18 nengard            i dont even know how to do that
20:18 nengard            can someone walk us/him through restoring from the backup?
20:18 nengard            if i were to totally screw this up
20:18 nengard            i have a backup of the entire system - and a db backup
20:18 wizzyrea           42.
20:18 wahanui            well, question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
20:18 wizzyrea           do we have a wiki page about that?
20:18 nengard            okay question
20:17 wizzyrea           unless they are paying YOU to do it, of course
20:17 jcamins            Every time you upgrade a git install, you need to go through the upgrade procedure.
20:17 wizzyrea           then it's on them.
20:17 wizzyrea           you do this part.
20:17 wizzyrea           you can always give them the instructions and say
20:16 nengard            which i am not
20:16 nengard            hehe
20:16 wizzyrea           welcome to being a system administrator?
20:16 nengard            well... :)
20:16 wizzyrea           well...
20:16 nengard            i've only ever done git fetch
20:16 nengard            don't want to break this on him
20:16 nengard            and now i'm just scared to upgrade
20:16 nengard            db backed up
20:16 nengard            okay - system backed up
20:15 nengard            thank you
20:15 nengard            so, that's a documentation issue :) to the un-educated user that looks like it's part of the installing template toolkit to me
20:15 nengard            oh!
20:15 * wizzyrea         was looking at the wrong branch
20:15 nengard            336 says to install template toolkit
20:15 wizzyrea           340 even
20:14 wizzyrea           no, line 336
20:14 nengard            line 321
20:14 nengard            http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=4547974952d8730cefc04b570450dc318cc84587;hb=HEAD
20:14 nengard            just to check for dependencies and install template toolkit
20:13 nengard            but I don't see any commands to upgrade
20:13 nengard            i'm looking at the UPGRADE section of INSTALL.debian
20:13 nengard            okay, either i'm just too tired/sick or i'm missing something
20:08 bgkriegel          user, folders, etc
20:08 bgkriegel          well, the command will look you previous selections, and act accordingly
20:06 nengard            i have a backup
20:06 bgkriegel          nicol, you miss this comment from jcamins "Obviously you'll want to make _very_ sure they're certain, and take a backup, because there is no "rollback installation" functionality built into Linux."
20:05 nengard            what's that gonna do
20:05 bgkriegel          perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log
20:04 nengard            i've never used them :)
20:04 bgkriegel          oh, in INSTALL file
20:04 jcamins            INSTALL.debian. They haven't been moved.
20:04 nengard            i'm not seeing them searching the wiki
20:04 nengard            did someone answer me about where they upgrade instructions were?
20:04 nengard            got kicked again
20:03 * wizzyrea         saw your comment
20:03 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen
20:03 wizzyrea           oleonard: re: bug 9534 - do you have a preference?
20:02 jcamins            Obviously you'll want to make _very_ sure they're certain, and take a backup, because there is no "rollback installation" functionality built into Linux.
20:01 * Guest930         waves
20:00 jcamins            So, standard upgrade procedure.
20:00 jcamins            In that case, they probably wouldn't care about blowing it away.
19:59 nengard            jcamins they never got the indexing rule to work
19:59 jcamins            If they do, I wouldn't be willing to offer any advice without access to their server.
19:59 jcamins            If they don't have any customizations, you can just follow the standard upgrade instructions.
19:58 nengard            hmm
19:58 jcamins            And the delay comes and goes, so for example I saw David's name right away, but nothing you said after that for several minutes.
19:57 nengard            oh!
19:57 jcamins            I have a long delay.
19:57 jcamins            That was a response to the questio you asked several minutes ago.
19:57 nengard            according to koha-install-log
19:56 nengard            auth index mode is DOM
19:56 nengard            will as soon as he hangs up
19:56 nengard            he's still on phone
19:56 jcamins            Ask him about customizations.
19:55 nengard            bgkriegel yup that's there
19:55 nengard            isn't there a file i can look for that
19:55 nengard            i can probably find that
19:55 bgkriegel          nengard: if there is a file /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log, the installed version is there
19:55 nengard            hmmm
19:55 nengard            b) will ask in a sec - he's on the phone
19:55 nengard            a) he didnt' do it - his IT guy who has left did it
19:55 nengard            so what do i tell him as far as upgrading goes if he can't do aa simple pull?
19:55 nengard            okay - he can't save reports cause of a bug in 3.9.4
19:55 nengard            and grrr
19:55 nengard            i'll ask him when he hangs up
19:54 jcamins            But I have a recollection of him adding some indexing on 010 for authorities.
19:54 jcamins            They might not.
19:54 jcamins            Ask him A) how he installed Koha, and B) whether they have any customizations.
19:53 nengard            he's on the phone
19:53 jcamins            That's the one.
19:53 nengard            david
19:53 jcamins            Pretty sure what's-his-name from Disney sent me a copy at some point.
19:53 nengard            do they know that? :)
19:53 nengard            they do?
19:53 jcamins            They have indexing customizations.
19:53 nengard            so next question - on my install i have a kohaclone folder - but i don't see one of those here
19:52 jcamins            However, if this is Disney, you can't simply upgrade them.
19:52 jcamins            It's probably a standard install, then.
19:52 nengard            so i do have a usr/share/koha folder
19:52 nengard            that's why i was helping :)
19:52 nengard            the person who set it up has left here
19:52 nengard            and it sounds like i can cause it's not a package install
19:52 nengard            but wasn't sure if i should
19:52 nengard            i was going to do a git pull
19:52 nengard            i'm at disney helping with koha - they want to upgrade and are on version 3.9.4 and want to be on master
19:52 nengard            let me try again
19:51 jcamins            You'd have to either look in the Apache configs -- keeping in mind that they may not help either -- or talk to whoever set it up.
19:51 jcamins            But that is in no way definite.
19:51 jcamins            If you have /usr/share/koha, chances are good it's a standard install.
19:51 jcamins            It is not a package install.
19:51 * magnuse          gotta run
19:50 nengard            grrr
19:50 magnuse            nothing about version or disney
19:50 magnuse            not a package install then
19:50 nengard            did you get any of what i said about version and disney and such? or was that all lost by mibbit?
19:49 nengard            koha-koha@WW-R-ITLWDW1K5M:/usr/share/koha$ koha-list bash: koha-list: command not found
19:49 magnuse            <magnuse> no output from koha-list?
19:49 magnuse            <jcamins> Huh?
19:49 magnuse            <nengard> like on mine I cd kohaclone
19:49 magnuse            <nengard> what i guess i need to know is how to find the koha directory?
19:49 magnuse            <nengard> okay i do have usr/share/koha
19:49 magnuse            <nengard> in which directory
19:49 nengard            yeah i'm not on my computer
19:49 nengard            how much of thaqt did you get? I was just kicked out
19:48 magnuse            mibbit-- ;-)
19:47 magnuse            no output from koha-list?
19:47 jcamins            Huh?
19:47 nengard            like on mine I cd kohaclone
19:47 nengard            what i guess i need to know is how to find the koha directory?
19:47 nengard            okay i do have usr/share/koha
19:46 nengard            in which directory
19:45 jcamins            (if you prefer not to do that, you can probably conclude that it's a standard install if you do not have a koha-list command and do have something in /usr/share/koha
19:45 jcamins            Or you could simply look in your Apache config, which is what I would do.
19:44 jcamins            If it lists your instance, it's a package install.
19:44 jcamins            Well, you can check if it's a package install by running `koha-list`
19:44 jcamins            Oh.
19:44 nengard            yeah i'm on the server
19:44 nengard            but don't want to break anything if it was not a git install
19:44 jcamins            Only if you have access to the server.
19:44 nengard            so i'm on the server and was going to do a git pull
19:43 nengard            or dev/git - yes
19:42 magnuse            nengard: you mean packages, tarball etc?
19:42 nengard            hi all, is there a way to find out what type of koha install a system is on?
19:40 ibeardslee         a glitch in the matrix?
19:39 jcamins            Didn't I already say that?
19:39 * jcamins          has a feeling of deja vu.
19:38 jcamins            Except he's gone.
19:38 * jcamins          would sugggest that perhaps some of the money being saved on the ILS should go toward Cataloger's Desktop.
19:37 jcamins            The answer is "no, there is no free software, and never will be."
19:37 jcamins            It would, yes.
19:37 oleonard           Wouldn't such software have to be licensed by OCLC?
19:36 jcamins            I think it was.
19:35 oleonard           I wonder if that's what jlozano was talking about...
19:35 jcamins            oleonard: computers cannot assign DDC numbers when given the name of the book, but they can look up the number mapped to a particular subject.
19:23 oleonard           Hi bgkriegel
19:18 bgkriegel          hello
18:59 rambutan           ah: http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First
18:58 rambutan           I get info including the call number.
18:58 rambutan           oleonard: link above had some auto generated session info, I can't find the base page or reconstruct how I got there, sorry. But on that page, if I plug in "Gone With the Wind"
18:48 cait               :)
18:35 drojf              n'abend cait
18:35 tcohen             hi cait
18:34 * cait             waves back
18:34 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports
18:34 tcohen             he showed some interest in testing  bug 9659
18:34 huginn             magnuse: dcook was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 23 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <dcook> adios #koha
18:34 magnuse            @seen dcook
18:33 tcohen             is david cook around?
18:33 * magnuse          waves to cait
18:33 drojf              i cannot even ping anything
18:33 drojf              thanks for trying
18:33 drojf              hm no it must be something with the vm
18:33 tcohen             no problem from command-line here
18:32 magnuse            (in a web browser)
18:32 magnuse            works for me
18:32 drojf              is that just me?
18:32 drojf              Unable to look up git.koha-community.org (port 9418) (Name or service not known
18:31 magnuse            yay for the shiny new buttons in 3.11
18:29 oleonard           rambutan: Did you expect that to return search results?
18:28 rambutan           http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?PAGE=sbSearch&SEQ=20130305132351&PID=BG09kam2DvJVObj1Y5ayFWLZpvkFe
18:27 tcohen             i found several papers on dewey algorithms optimization
18:27 rambutan           looks to me like the link to the LoC provides what he wants, but I'm not a cataloger, nor even a librarian
18:27 huginn             rambutan: The operation succeeded.
18:27 rambutan           @later tell jlozano http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061118230659AAVgJeb
18:24 rambutan           http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061118230659AAVgJeb
18:22 rambutan           donno, there are some good programmers out there
18:21 oleonard           I'm I crazy to think that a computer cannot automatically generate a Dewey number out of thin air?
18:15 rambutan           jlozano: so you clearly want something less than the marc record, which can be downloaded from various places, right?
18:07 jlozano            I guess the question that originally brought that up because we want to switch to koha but can't really get the dewey numbers
18:04 jlozano            I didn't mean to elude you didn't, I'm sorry.
18:03 oleonard           jlozano: Yes, I know what the Dewey Decimal System is.
18:03 jlozano            (if you are using Dewey)
18:03 jlozano            it tells you where to put the book in the shelves.
18:02 jlozano            It's most definitely cataloging.
18:02 jlozano            yeah, Sirsi Dynex has it.
18:02 oleonard           jlozano: What you describe sounds like cataloging.
18:00 oleonard           jlozano: Do you have an example of non-free software which does this?
18:00 jlozano            so you get software to do it for you.
17:59 jlozano            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification
17:59 jlozano            so it's kind of a formula to get the number.
17:58 jlozano            and the last number is based on the title.
17:58 jlozano            and the rest is based on author
17:58 jlozano            8 because its Literature.
17:58 oleonard           jlozano: How would that work without a complete catalog of all titles in existence?
17:58 jlozano            gets: 818.4 T911W
17:57 jlozano            The writings of Mark Twain
17:57 jlozano            umm. kind of.. so for example.
17:57 rambutan           so how does that work? You feed it the title of a book or the ISBN and it returns the correct Dewey number? So it would be more like a lookup table?
17:55 jlozano            100 are psychology and Philosphy.
17:55 jlozano            like ...000 re general knowledge.
17:55 jlozano            yeah, so if you are using the Dewey Decimal System, when you get a book it gives you the number you should give it.
17:54 jlozano            sorry, not really a Koha question I guess.
17:54 oleonard           What is a dewey number generator?
17:53 jlozano            anybody know a free dewey number generator?
17:52 oleonard           Hi jlozano
17:52 jlozano            hello, everyone!
17:44 tcohen             XML::Twig
17:15 gaetan_B           bye !
16:41 rambutan           tnx, gonna try to catch him on freenode
16:39 huginn             jcamins: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <chris_n> XML::LibXML::Node::findvalue rather
16:39 jcamins            @seen chris_n
16:38 huginn             rambutan: I have not seen cnighswonger.
16:38 rambutan           @seen cnighswonger
16:38 huginn             rambutan: I have not seen chrisn.
16:38 rambutan           @seen chrisn
16:08 reiveune           bye
15:56 tweetbot`          [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "#kohails training quote: "this is amazing stuff""
15:56 tweetbot`          [off] twitter: @normnz: ""@ranginui: Off to perth today, to talk about #kohails at #plwaconf" me too. Do people sail in Perth?"
15:53 jcamins            The tests are done one at a time, I think, so if they are retesting everything, it could be months before they catch up.
15:53 oleonard           Maybe they do periodic re-testing and ratings get re-set?
15:53 jcamins            nengard: I'd guess they refreshed their database.
15:52 nengard            anyone know what's up with that?
15:52 nengard            sites that I used in the past cause they said 100% now say 'untested'
15:52 nengard            hey did anyone notice that IRSpy seems to say 'untested' for a ton of targets?
15:36 magnuse            yay!
15:35 nengard            WOW ^^
15:35 nengard            quote: "the cataloging system seems super easy and a lot more self explanatory than the system we have been using"
15:34 drojf              lol
15:34 oleonard           It's okay buddy, one of these days...
15:34 * oleonard         comforts alohabot
15:32 magnuse            there's a bug for that...
15:32 nengard            ha
15:31 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
15:31 magnuse            bug 5158
15:31 Mpeul              agreed!
15:31 nengard            when do they arrive?
15:31 magnuse            nah, more cookies!
15:30 nengard            okay we should get back to work
15:30 nengard            :)
15:29 magnuse            hooray for nengard!
15:29 nengard            awwww
15:28 kmccallister       thanks! we are so excited about Koha and love nicole!!
15:28 * oleonard         crosses his fingers
15:28 alohabot           Hi mib_ssj4bc, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
15:28 kmccallister       Hi magnuse!
15:27 magnuse            ...and kmccallister
15:27 magnuse            hiya Mpeul
15:27 Mpeul              Hello <-- FL librarian :)
15:27 * kf               didn't accidentally search for 530...
15:27 nengard            much more fun that learning cataloging :)
15:26 nengard            this is so much fun
15:26 kf                 ok... typoed - I found it :)
15:26 kmccallister       Nutella Brownie recipe: http://www.thatssoyummy.com/recipes/nutella-brownies-recipe/
15:26 slef               co-operatives were created to supply cookie ingredients
15:26 jcamins            kf: yes we do.
15:26 kf                 i thought we did :)
15:26 nengard            kf yes we do
15:25 kf                 oh sorry - cookies!
15:25 kf                 hm interesting. we don't show 520 in xslt?
15:25 jcamins            kmccallister: ^^
15:25 wahanui            curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2009/05/curry-coconut-oatmeal-chocolate-chip-cookies/
15:25 jcamins            curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies?
15:24 kmccallister       Hi! FL librarian here..send the cookie recipes my way :)
15:24 libsysguy          :p
15:23 libsysguy          denial oleonard
15:23 nengard            kelly logging in ? she'll be here in a sec
15:23 oleonard           It's a perfectly natural obsession libsysguy
15:23 kf                 and that was from Germany (reading slow today)
15:23 drojf              there is a bug for that too ;)
15:23 libsysguy          oleonard is right, we have an unnatural obsession with cookies
15:23 drojf              bring recipes!
15:23 kf                 hi FL librarians
15:23 nengard            Kelly tried to fatten me up yesterday :)
15:22 nengard            these librarians will fit right in
15:22 oleonard           FL librarians: If you ever come here and all we're talking about is food, don't hesitate to break in with a Koha-related question
15:22 libsysguy          http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2013/03/clean-your-room.html
15:22 nengard            YEP
15:22 drojf              nengard has mickey mouse ears
15:21 nengard            I tell them where you're all from as you say hi
15:21 magnuse            mine was a "hi" from norway, btw :-)
15:20 oleonard           Hi from Ohio, FL librarians
15:20 magnuse            hi FL librarians learning koha
15:19 drojf              hi FL librarians learning koha :)
15:19 nengard            hi #koha say hi to FL librarians learning Koha :)
15:17 drojf              yay query parser
15:17 drojf              "plaît!" works, plaît! does not
15:17 * kf               is optimistic to pass qa on the query parser sometime this week
15:16 kf                 I'd guess so
15:14 drojf              using a ! in search not working is not my fault, right? i suppose it's like the () problem?
15:10 * oleonard         prepares his blaming finger
15:10 magnuse            looks like gmcharlt put those lines in there...
15:08 kf                 not sure how the conf file works really
15:08 kf                 hm yes you have to refer it I think?
15:07 magnuse            isn't MARC21slimUtils.xsl just "functions" that are used by other stylesheets?
15:07 magnuse            in http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml;h=f1f8898650bbdcbe9a20c67c9fc0fea7223475f8;hb=HEAD - does <retrieval syntax="xml" name="utils"> and <xslt stylesheet="__INTRANET_TMPL_DIR__/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl"/> make any kind of sense?
15:04 magnuse            it is extremely narrow, though
14:57 kf                 um
14:53 * magnuse          has a funny looking snow drift outside his window that is fast approaching 1m in height...
14:52 wahanui            sun is shining again - life is good!
14:52 magnuse            sun?
14:52 wahanui            it has been said that sun is shining again - life is good!
14:52 kf                 sun?
14:52 kf                 :)
14:50 drojf              can#t believe i had lunch outside in the sun
14:49 drojf              thanks kf :)
14:49 kf                 bye fabio_t
14:49 drojf              back
14:49 kf                 wb drojf
14:49 fabio_t            see you #koha
14:49 fabio_t            have a nice day
14:49 kf                 :)
14:48 fabio_t            :)
14:48 fabio_t            so you definitely helped me
14:48 fabio_t            I googled and I didn't find these "insider" informations
14:47 kf                 hm didn't do much :)
14:47 fabio_t            kf++
14:47 fabio_t            thanks again kf
14:47 fabio_t            I will file a bug
14:43 fabio_t            no 995 in marcxml aswell
14:42 fabio_t            yes, you're right
14:40 fabio_t            * I let you know
14:40 fabio_t            I'm going to retrieve data with marcxml instead of oai_dc and I'll know you
14:39 kf                 it could have different reasons - I didn't wnt to be confusing... just confirming that we have noticed it too
14:39 fabio_t            nice point
14:39 kf                 not sure, but I guess the info is missing too if you look at the xml format?
14:39 kf                 hm
14:39 fabio_t            thanks anyway for helping
14:38 fabio_t            I figured out since the mapping on item worked, there could be just a problem in on the fly conversion from UNIMARC to Dublin Core - I was wrong
14:37 kf                 Ithink the best starting point would be a bug
14:37 kf                 *shrug*
14:37 kf                 if waht I think is right
14:37 kf                 it's a bit complicated, not really the database
14:36 fabio_t            ok so the problem could be on the database level
14:35 kf                 but I have not investigated yet
14:35 kf                 I think it might have to do with the changes made on storing items
14:35 fabio_t            maybe something wrong in UNIMARCslim2OAIDC.xsl
14:34 fabio_t            I was wondering if it was a matter of XSLT
14:34 kf                 youc oudl file a bug
14:34 fabio_t            ok
14:34 kf                 but it might not be a bug but an enhancement
14:33 kf                 we also noticed that no item information is output currently, I think it woudl not be hard to do
14:33 fabio_t            oh
14:32 huginn             04Bug 6440: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, CLOSED FIXED, Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets
14:32 fabio_t            and I ran into this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6440
14:32 kf                 the mappings define the records in the set - iirc
14:32 kf                 fabio_t: I think the mappings are different from the output
14:32 fabio_t            I successfully made a mapping with 995 (mine is  an UNIMARC installation) to define an OAI set
14:29 kf                 fabio_t: it does not work with itmes currently I think
14:29 fabio_t            I have a problem with retrieving item information via Koha OAI-PMH server
14:29 huginn             senator: The current temperature in Gooseberry Hill, Gooseberry Hill, Western Australia is 19.0°C (9:35 PM WST on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
14:29 senator            @wunder ypph
14:28 kf                 oi awake early
14:28 tweetbot`          [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Off to perth today, to talk about #kohails at #plwaconf"
14:25 chris_n            XML::LibXML::Node::findvalue rather
14:24 chris_n            does anyone have any ntyprof times handy for calls to XML::LibXML::findvalue on marcxml data in koha?
14:24 fabio_t            Hello #koha!
14:20 tweetbot`          [off] twitter: @nengard: "Today I am training librarians how to use #kohails while at Team Disney! How cool is that??!! Thanks Disney for the training room!"
14:15 chris_n            for ripping out text::wrap
14:14 chris_n            wajasu++
13:59 drojf              hej Viktor you got a real irc client now? :)
13:56 tcohen             wajasu: if you r about to pass references to memory structures, be carefull to avoid aliasing
13:47 ambz               jcamins, thanks for the info
13:44 wajasu             i replaced  text::wrap with a subroutine that wraps proportionally for barcode labels to get more words per line, as it was using a fixed char width.
13:43 jcamins            Exactly.
13:43 tcohen             i'd use \@lines to avoid copy operations
13:42 jcamins            If you have a choice of using either, use \@lines.
13:42 jcamins            It is very different.
13:41 tcohen             the semantics is quite different, isnt'
13:40 wajasu             for coding standards.  can i return?   @lines     or must it be    \@lines
13:36 magnuse            cool, thanks
13:36 jcamins            Signed off is fine.
13:35 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
13:35 magnuse            jcamins: Bug 9250 is signed off and i did a followup for koha-common.xml. should it be "signed off" or "needs signoff", because of the followup?
13:17 tcohen             hi oleonard
13:14 oleonard           Hi #koha
13:11 jcamins            A few libraries use the OCLC Z39.50 servers, but most use Connexion and upload the records to Koha, I think.
13:11 jcamins            ambz: it is an incredibly expensive service.
13:02 ambz               it looks very enticing, but i don't think it's a free service, right?
13:01 ambz               has anyone used oclc/worldcat z39.50 servers for cataloging? (http://www.oclc.org/en-europe/z3950.html)
12:55 tcohen_            so, kf's birthday is gone today
12:54 kf                 :)
12:47 * ambz             is also loving koha
12:44 * ambz             is loving mibbit
12:42 ambz               kf, no problem, buddy... thanks for your help... i'm creating a new instance as you suggested (much easier and gets the job done) :)
12:42 ndroftheline       can anyone compare to a simpler system like openbiblio?
12:41 kf                 sorry, quite busy ambz - hope you can solve it
12:41 ambz               magnuse: yeah :D
12:40 magnuse            but once you learn that stuff, you have an "industrial strength" ils with a lot of bells and whistles ;-)
12:40 ambz               it helps that the community here is really helpful :)
12:40 ambz               but yes, there's a learning curve as drojf indicated... you have to be willing to learn a lot of new stuff
12:39 ambz               and we're also in a "developing country"
12:39 ambz               ndroftheline: i had the same question a month ago when i was evaluating koha for a small library for a non-profit organization, which also lacks a trained librarian... and i am really happy that we chose to use koha :)
12:35 drojf              ndroftheline: are you willing to learn? :)
12:31 ndroftheline       hey all, do you think koha is overkill for a rural high school in a developing country without a trained librarian?
12:22 ambz               I tried rebooting the machine (lol) and it didn't help one bit :)
12:21 ambz               Really appreciate it :)
12:21 ambz               Anyways, thanks a lot for your help, kf...
12:16 ambz               Any idea why this could happen? http://mibpaste.com/tzOzKk
12:13 ambz               yes, here's the output: http://mibpaste.com/703vOy
12:11 kf                 try -v -v next to get more verbose output
12:10 kf                 you did the -r?
12:10 ambz               I also tried, " sudo koha-restart-zebra library"... didn't help
12:09 ambz               ok
12:09 kf                 that's always a sign that the record has been deleted and that the index is not current
12:09 kf                 yep
12:08 ambz               i can't open them
12:08 ambz               kf, correct, "The record you requested does not exist (3)."
12:08 kf                 you can't open the detail pages, right?
12:08 ambz               cool, i'll also try restarting zebra
12:08 kf                 maybe try running with -r - not sure it works, but maybe worth a try
12:07 kf                 hm
12:07 ambz               yes, but i can still search for books in the UI
12:07 kf                 should be good actually
12:07 kf                 ah that's not bad I think
12:07 ambz               ==================== REINDEXING zebra ==================== ==================== CLEANING
12:07 ambz               i see a lot of
12:06 ambz               ok that helped
12:05 kf                 hm -v?
12:05 ambz               no error, no troubleshooting messages, nothing
12:05 kf                 I think with packages better stick to the package related commands
12:05 ambz               i ran " koha-rebuild-zebra -f library" where 'library' is the name of my koha instance
12:05 kf                 did you get an error?
12:04 ambz               ok, that didn't work
12:03 ambz               great! let me try koha-rebuild-zebra
12:03 kf                 with -f
12:03 kf                 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-rebuild-zebra < this might be what you want
12:02 kf                 not sure with packages - there is w hole set of build in commands
12:02 ambz               kf, so i shouldn't run the zebra commands as root, correct?
12:02 kf                 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
12:02 kf                 maybe this is helpful:
12:02 ambz               hmm ok... lemme try resetting the zebra index
12:01 kf                 not sure about the packages - hmm.
12:01 kf                 -r I think
12:01 ambz               kf, right... how do i reset the zebra index?
12:01 kf                 yes, the web installer will come p again
12:01 kf                 ambz: you need to resetthe index - you truncated the data - the search does not know about that
12:01 ambz               kf, cool i'll do that... after i drop the db, is there a way to recreate the entire schema?
12:01 Oak                kf++
12:00 kf                 creating a new instance or dropping the database might be better
12:00 kf                 if you really want a fresh start
12:00 kf                 this instruction will only reset koha if you have used sample data and want to undo that - it'squite specific
12:00 ambz               but my zebra index is still populated... i can still search for books etc which have been deleted from the db
12:00 kf                 ok, there are a lot more table
11:59 ambz               kf, yes, i want to start afresh, with truncated tables
11:58 kf                 and this http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/resetkohadb.html is for resetting the database - it will have deleted all the records and items if you did - so there might be nothing to search for right now
11:57 kf                 ambz: what was your initial problem?
11:57 kf                 ambz: ok, then don't work from the manual
11:56 allora             yeah i know, but we have around 300 e-books and we don't want to use repository
11:56 ambz               i used ubuntu packages
11:56 kf                 do you know how the installation was done? using packages? tarball? standard or dev installations? the file paths and how search is configured vary a bit
11:55 kf                 ambz: which files exactly?
11:55 kf                 hm
11:55 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , File upload in MARC
11:55 ambz               kf, those files really are missing :(
11:55 kf                 bug 6874
11:54 kf                 allora: a digital repository software might be a better place to store the data even, then link to that from your records in Koha
11:54 kf                 allora: there is a but somewhere in bugzilla, you can also always use links to your documents
11:53 huginn             drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 9.7°C (12:43 PM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
11:53 drojf              @wunder berlin, germany
11:53 drojf              hi kf
11:53 kf                 hi drojf
11:53 drojf              good day #koha
11:52 kf                 but it didn't amke it in yet
11:52 kf                 allora: I think there has been something int he works
11:52 allora             I strongly need pdf attachment for e-books for my institution's publications :(
11:52 * ambz             runs those commands without sudo
11:51 ambz               i chose 3.8 because i read somewhere that it's a more stable and reliabel version than the newer versions
11:51 ambz               kf, ah ok
11:50 ambz               ok... it's a bit misleading, why not just have the version as "3.8" in "about koha" ?
11:50 kf                 sorry, it's not really old, just not the newest version
11:50 wahanui            I know.
11:50 kf                 that's right
11:50 kf                 yes
11:49 ambz               question: what version is 3.08.09.000... is it koha 3.8?
11:49 ambz               yes, it's working fine
11:49 kf                 did it work before?
11:49 kf                 is this a new installation you did?
11:49 kf                 ah ok
11:49 ambz               3.08.09.000
11:49 ambz               kf, when i go to "about koha" in the staff client, it shows this as the version:
11:48 wahanui            kf: I forgot 3.8
11:48 kf                 forget 3.8
11:48 kf                 well not really old :)
11:48 kf                 hm
11:48 wahanui            okay, kf.
11:48 kf                 3.8 is also old
11:48 ambz               i'll try again as a normal user
11:48 ambz               oh ok... i ran them as root
11:47 ambz               they're missing... i checked
11:47 kf                 what's the reason you look at documentation for an old version of Koha?
11:47 kf                 ambz: never run those commands with sudo
11:47 kf                 ambz: they are probably not missing but have wrong permissions
11:46 allora             thanks alot
11:45 magnuse            allora: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/catalogtools.html#uploadlocalimages
11:44 ambz               Any idea why the zebra cfg files are missing?
11:44 magnuse            allora: you can upload covers, but not attach pdf
11:44 ambz               I've already truncated the tables mentioned at: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/resetkohadb.html
11:43 allora             is it possible upload pdf file related to marc record when cataloging an item or upload cover photo?
11:43 ambz               and similar error for /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg
11:43 ambz               I get "[fatal] Cannot read config /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg"
11:42 ambz               Need some help. I'm trying to run the commands here: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/resetzebra.html
11:42 allora             hi all
11:41 ambz               Hi all.
10:34 kf                 looks good :)
10:34 kf                 yep
10:28 Viktor             :)
10:27 magnuse            Viktor: looks good :-)
10:16 viktorsarge_       (Apart from being logged in with two nicks)
10:15 viktorsarge_       Ok - so trying out XChat on OS X. Have I overlooked something that makes me look stupid? :)
10:11 magnuse            sounds like it! :-)
10:10 Viktor             Wonderful! magnuse They are using a paid software in Hylte today that is still causing trouble after a few years. Might be time to make a switch.
10:09 magnuse            for administering access to public computers, also checkout https://github.com/digibib/mycel from Oslo Public Library
10:08 Viktor             Get-availability is useful too! I need that to hook up availability to the national catalogue. Great to find out it's already implemented.
10:07 Viktor             I've been using a regular XP-machine with R-kiosk add on to autostarting Firefox for self-service. But public Internet machines require a bit more :)
10:06 magnuse            [off] http://demo.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl - see AuthenticatePatron etc
10:06 Viktor             Thanks! That looks like what I need!
10:05 kf                 [off] http://libki.org/
10:05 magnuse            sounds like something you would want to do outside koha
10:05 kf                 Viktor: maybe take a look at libki or similar
10:05 magnuse            yeah
10:04 Viktor             Then you might be able to hook up a third party system to Koha. That seems like a far cheaper option than trying to build booking of computers as a part of Koha
10:04 Viktor             Great to hear kf magnuse
10:03 kf                 magnuse: I think it requires clear text or something, must be checked if it's safe
10:03 kf                 like you would want for rooms
10:02 magnuse            i think ils-di would be good for that
10:02 kf                 but reserving itself can not be done in koha now - not for an exact time and like 2 hours
10:02 kf                 there shoudl be some options
10:02 Viktor             Now copying - carfully :)
10:02 Viktor             Thanks!
10:02 kf                 (10:58:09) kf: I think ils-di might be able to do it, or the new thing rangi wrote for persona or sip2
10:02 Viktor             Yes I do know :( I just lost that line you sent me with all the info.
10:01 kf                 Viktor: you shoudl really get a real irc client... you know ;)
10:01 kf                 like overdrive
10:01 kf                 I think authentication should not be so problematic - some services already do that afaik
10:00 Viktor             indeed so kf - that would be a good start.
10:00 kf                 I think ils-di might be able to do it, or the new thing rangi wrote for persona or sip2
10:00 kf                 Viktor: you mean a way to authenticate?
09:57 Viktor             (I don't think so, but I need the collective wisdom here)
09:56 Viktor             I don't know of any such functions in Koha and I'm trying to figure out what could be done. Is there for instance any API to call the system and ask if a certain cardnumber + pincode is correct?
09:55 Viktor             A sort of general question - how do you solve booking of rooms, computers etcetra?
09:14 huginn             magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (9:50 AM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
09:14 magnuse            @wunder boo
09:14 huginn             magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (9:30 AM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
09:14 magnuse            @wunder marseille
09:12 magnuse            Oak
09:12 Oak                Bonjour magnuse
09:09 christophe_c       bonjour magnuse
09:08 magnuse            bonjour christophe_c Oak Viktor
08:53 christophe_c       hello #koha
08:29 kf                 schön :)
08:27 gaetan_B           hallo kf, ich habe mich mit herrn Neubauer unterhaltet. Alles klar !
08:24 kf                 hi gaetan_B
08:22 wahanui            salut, gaetan_B
08:22 gaetan_B           hello
08:16 kf                 good morning #koha
08:05 Viktor             Will try to do that then! Might try to do a few follow up posts too for the community.
08:04 magnuse            Viktor: yeah, that sounds like a good idea!
08:03 Viktor             Hi joubu!
08:01 Joubu              hello #koha
07:59 Viktor             Just as a service to the community - give some feedback on what libraries here think is missing. (We do have funds to fix some of the stuff ourselves)
07:59 alex_a             bonjour Viktor
07:58 Viktor             bonjour alex_a
07:58 alex_a             bonjour
07:58 Viktor             It's in Swedish though - would it be relevant to translate a post with our "wishlist" with stuff that we will add, modify or look for in Koha?
07:58 magnuse            Viktor++
07:57 Viktor             On another note: I try to blog as much as I can during the current migration (with some development) here in Sweden as Hylte is the first public library to migrate to Koha in sweden.
07:57 * magnuse          will have to run off for a while
07:56 Viktor             Oh - have to close Safari to install Flash. Will have to watch it after done chatting.
07:55 Viktor             It's even worth installing Flash on the new computer to watch that :)
07:55 Viktor             Thanks!
07:54 Viktor             You are all wonderful people! :D
07:54 magnuse            i think that is just relevant for printable overdues, that are put in a file you can edit
07:53 cait               bbl :)
07:53 cait               and now I have to run out :)
07:53 magnuse            http://blip.tv/bywater-solutions-tv/adding-page-breaks-to-printable-overdue-notices-in-koha-6513217
07:53 cait               and for pagebreaks I think there was something ther, but haven't read it, onyl rmember the headline
07:53 Viktor             Looking for it!
07:53 Viktor             So: bywaters blog is the best bet?
07:53 cait               Viktor: Ithink you don't want Holds_print for this - because that's only for patrons that don't have emails - but reserve slip
07:53 Viktor             (gah - my mouse just issued a "back" command. Had to reconnect)
07:52 cait               there was something there
07:52 cait               magnuse: for pagebreaks - check out bywaters blog
07:52 Viktor             That is a note you need even if you e-mail the patron that the book is available. And this is the note I want to customize :)
07:51 magnuse            that has been my experience too
07:51 Viktor             Am I forgetting something obvious? How do people handle books on hold? All places I have worked put a slip with borrorwer, title and date into the book when it goes into the shelf.
07:50 Viktor             Right you are magnuse
07:49 magnuse            but would not most "come and pick up your hold" messages be sent by email anyway?
07:49 Viktor             Question is then how the text is sent to the printer.
07:49 Viktor             :)
07:49 Viktor             Yes that would be quite possible. But it would feel better to do it "right"
07:48 magnuse            not sure if there are any clever characters you can insert to force a page break
07:47 reiveune           Bonjour Viktor
07:47 magnuse            Viktor: i guess you could make the message so long that it "spills" over onto a second page
07:47 Viktor             Hi cait!
07:47 cait               hi Viktor :)
07:47 Viktor             Hi reiveune
07:47 reiveune           hi magnuse , cait :)
07:46 Viktor             Hi magnuse!
07:46 magnuse            bonjour reiveune and Viktor
07:44 reiveune           hello
07:43 Viktor             Might be to early for my timezone and to late for others though :)
07:37 Viktor             This would of course require that the slip in the book is somewhat anonymized and I think initials + borrower number might do the trick.
07:36 Viktor             I would like to keep the regular notice (that is sent to the patron), but also print a custom page that is inserted into the book with just branchcode, initials and borrowernumber so that books on hold can be placed in the library for patrons to pick up by themselves.
07:34 Viktor             I'm a bit stuck on something that is probably easy. Can I force a new page in the HOLD_PRINT notice?
07:32 Viktor             Hi!
07:22 magnuse            [off] ah, looks like the library might have reverted the settings i changed for DUE...
07:18 cait               that way all the books are in one place to be picked up - but people see them all together, so might be less anonymous
07:18 magnuse            yeah, you'd think cardnumber should be ok
07:18 cait               not sure how they do it, I think some have a quite complicated algorithm, ohters use the cardnumber
07:17 magnuse            no, i fixed that
07:17 cait               generating an id for pickup location
07:17 cait               magnuse: we have libraries here doing that
07:17 cait               and it's not because it was used in overdue triggers?
07:17 cait               magnuse:  :(
07:11 magnuse            gah, DUE messages without bibliographic info is still being sent from one of my instances...
07:08 magnuse            but so far it was just a question if it was possible to replace the name of the borrower with a reserve id, to make pickups more anonymous
07:07 magnuse            a lot of the fields seem to be available
07:05 cait               magnuse: maybe make the whole reserve table available if it's not? some of the dates might be interesting
06:57 magnuse            reserve.reserve_id is not available to be put in the HOLD_PRINT message? i have a library asking after that. shouldn't be too hard, i guess
06:45 * magnuse          waves
06:35 * wajasu           gnight folks
06:35 wajasu             thx
06:32 cait               there are prefs you can link your own stylesheets in
06:32 cait               you will have to make your own xslt templates for that
06:31 wajasu             maybe i can get 245c shown.   statement of responsibility
06:30 wajasu             more authors shown.
06:29 wajasu             yes. XSLT is better.
06:25 wajasu             i just migrated from 3.0 and only got my auths all correct.
06:24 wajasu             i shall now.
06:24 cait               so why are you not using the xslt views?
06:23 wajasu             using RLIN seems to return more results
06:23 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9563 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Author links don't generate correct search query url for UseAuthoritesForTracings
06:23 wajasu             bug 9563
06:23 wajasu             without XSLT, it searches without the RLINm which i would expect it to do.
06:21 cait               but wasn't that what you said?
06:21 wajasu             but the XSLT uses an=number
06:20 cait               are you uing xslt view?
06:20 cait               I think you are thinking too complicated
06:20 wajasu             i see .../cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=au:Calvin,%20Jean,
06:20 wajasu             i guess i need to iterate the $9 in the biblio and expose it tinthe template
06:20 cait               apart from facets
06:20 cait               wajasu: it already works like this
06:19 druthb             Does UseAuthoritiesForTracings syspref not do that for authors in the OPAC?
06:18 wajasu             i need to get the authors links to search with the an=10  instead of au=Joe   style  since i use   UseTracings forAuthorities
06:17 cait               wajasu: what for?
06:16 * druthb           has enough trouble explaining authorities to library staff; she wouldn't *dream* of foisting it on patrons.
06:15 * druthb           shudders.
06:13 wajasu             me wonders if there should be something like "biblioauthorites" in the marc framework. or else expose the $9 RLIN authids in the opac-detail.pl
06:11 dcook              adios #koha
06:06 druthb             :)
06:06 * BobB             waves at druthb
05:53 druthb             G'day, BobB!
05:52 druthb             :)
05:52 Oak                Walaikum Asalam druthb :)
05:52 druthb             Salaam alyakum, Oak! :)
05:51 Oak                magnuse
05:51 Oak                hello cait :)
05:51 cait               hi Oak
05:50 Oak                kia ora #koha
04:04 huginn             wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
04:04 wizzyrea           @later tell oleonard I was going to work on bug 9534 but it probably makes little sense to do that before those buttons are converted to bootstrap - if you have a patch for that I'll use it to add the cancel button - or if you're not working on it I will go ahead and do the conversion of that page myself (or save it for corey)
04:03 joltt              wizzyrea++
04:03 joltt              see you and thanks again!
04:02 wizzyrea           I have to jet :)
04:02 wizzyrea           feel free to :)
04:02 wizzyrea           anyway, if someone cares to make a bug for that
04:02 wizzyrea           or make the code treat null as 0, I suppose is another solution.
04:02 wizzyrea           with 0's instead of null.
04:01 wizzyrea           it occurs to me that we should make sure a default one is installed.
04:01 joltt              seems so!
04:01 wizzyrea           that ultimately solved your creep issue?
04:01 druthb             wizzyrea++
04:01 wizzyrea           was it creating a printer profile with 0's in the offset and creep?
04:00 wizzyrea           you're welcome :)
04:00 joltt              :)
04:00 joltt              thanks though - this a huge leap forward
04:00 wizzyrea           hm not sure
03:59 wizzyrea           \o/
03:59 joltt              perhaps i'm missing a setting or a number for the barcode bit?
03:58 joltt              here's a picture of what i'm seeing now: http://i.imgur.com/eFtY5eq.jpg
03:56 joltt              but other than that it looks fantastic
03:56 joltt              the only issue is the barcode isn't centered properly
03:56 joltt              all text is on the labels now
03:56 joltt              it works!
03:53 tweetbot`          [off] twitter: @nengard: "tonight I got to go to the Magic Kingdom with a librarian friend I met through the #kohails community ... how cool is that??!!"
03:52 joltt              (in the print preview that is)
03:52 joltt              the odd thing is when printing using 'actual size' (adobe printing options) the 'guide' is cut off the left a bit
03:51 wizzyrea           that is in the template :)
03:51 joltt              i need to increase the top margin though
03:50 joltt              hmm, perhaps closer
03:49 * joltt            tries
03:49 wizzyrea           but it's possible it doesn't
03:49 * wizzyrea         can't remember if no profile = a profile with 0 set in the offset
03:49 wizzyrea           and what about a printer profile set with 0's as the creep and offset?
03:48 joltt              hm, so i've set creep to 1pt (and numerous values around 1pt) and that seems to fix the bottom portion but break the top
03:47 joltt              true (re: word)
03:47 joltt              oops
03:47 wizzyrea           that's not odd at all. Word has 30 years of people complaining about offset behind it.
03:46 druthb             ...but the recipe looks delish, wizzyrea
03:45 joltt              the odd thing is it prints fine in word with their 5160 template
03:45 * druthb           squints
03:44 wizzyrea           recipe aside, does the basckground on this page make your eyes go funny? http://www.food.com/recipe/lancaster-county-ham-loaf-wow-wow-wow-47850
03:44 wizzyrea           sure :)
03:39 joltt              thanks for the direction, i'll play with it some more
03:39 joltt              hmm, now it's lining up on the bottom but not the top
03:37 druthb             o/
03:37 wizzyrea           but those settings are likely what's tripping you up.
03:36 * joltt            nods
03:36 wizzyrea           start with 1 point, and see what your results are - it's probably going to require a lot of experimentation
03:35 wizzyrea           dunno, how much is it off by at the end of the page?
03:35 wizzyrea           sorry for the confusion ^.^
03:35 joltt              what values should I try for creep?
03:35 joltt              ah okay
03:35 wizzyrea           actually I may be thinking of "creep"
03:34 wizzyrea           try some things
03:34 wizzyrea           you might poke about in there
03:34 wizzyrea           creep I think is what you are seeing
03:34 wizzyrea           right - that's where you set the offset and creep
03:34 joltt              ah; i haven't made any profiles
03:34 wajasu             maybe in 3.2 you can
03:33 wajasu             offset is in the profile.  but in master i can't select a profile when creating a template.
03:33 joltt              sorry - where is the offset located?
03:32 wizzyrea           have you tried removing the offset altogether? I'm trying to remember how we fixed it
03:32 wizzyrea           was that the offset was incorrect
03:32 wizzyrea           the problem i saw, and this was ages ago
03:32 joltt              although I was using 3.10.. not 3.2
03:32 joltt              hmm, should I delete and try to recreate the entry after updating?
03:32 wizzyrea           like, when moving from a 3.2 created template to the labels creator in 3.4
03:31 wizzyrea           it had to do with label templates that were created prior to a particular version
03:31 wajasu             i tried your quoted heading with the default profile/templates .  I can export a PDF with that.   your template has No profile.
03:31 wizzyrea           the last time I recall seeing this sort of problem
03:31 joltt              the static text worked - i was just hoping to fix the drift/overrun issue
03:30 wizzyrea           and it wasn't working in 3.10 either?
03:28 joltt              Here's how mine outputs (I've just recently turned on the grid for testing): http://i.imgur.com/KQcqgGW.png
03:27 wajasu             i'm playing with master at the moment.  tried to change the template i createdto use a profile that already existed, but no go.
03:26 joltt              yes, 3.10
03:25 * joltt            tries to look that up
03:25 wizzyrea           ah cool
03:24 joltt              i think it was 3.10, but i'm trying to see which one was in 'squeeze' in the repo
03:23 wizzyrea           3.4? 3.6? 3.8? 3.10?
03:23 wizzyrea           which stable version did you come from?
03:23 joltt              odd about the missing text - the manual says to enclose static text in single quotes to get them outputted
03:23 wizzyrea           which stable version
03:22 joltt              perhaps i missed the setting i need to fiddle with
03:22 joltt              i've played with offset a bit, it's just odd that it's fine for a few and then gradually gets worse
03:22 joltt              wizzyrea: I saw something in the mailing list that the stable version had label scaling problems so i thought i'd try master to see if it fixed it
03:20 dcook              hey wizzyrea :)
03:19 wizzyrea           hi dcook
03:19 wizzyrea           joltt^^
03:19 wizzyrea           and also curious why you are running off of master?
03:19 wizzyrea           is this an upgrade from a previous version?
03:18 wizzyrea           i bet you need to fiddle around with offset
03:17 wajasu             i tried with:  'ABC Hello', author, title    and with 3 and 11 point font.   i just get the biblio barcode, no fields.  let me try som emore things.
03:07 joltt              it's an odd problem for sure - i'm probably doing something wrong somewhere
03:07 joltt              thanks :)
03:06 wajasu             joltt: let me try your settings.
03:05 dcook              Afternoon #koha
03:05 joltt              wajasu: I'm trying to add that as a header using the single quote method.. although it's the same as the library name - should I try to pull the library name from the database somehow instead?
03:01 wajasu             joltt: looking at your label layout, i am not sure the "list fields" that contains 'ABC Resource Center' is corrent.   I think you need something like:  itemcallnumber,author,title  in that field
02:51 mib_9m8s5p         .... and here is the layout view: http://i.imgur.com/T54sphC.png . Ideally I'd like the barcodes and 'header' centred on the label - but just getting the print on the label is step one for me - could someone please lend me some insight? :)
02:50 mib_9m8s5p         Hello all! I seem to be having an issue with Avery 5160 and Koha 3.11.00.022 - the labels print fine for the first few rows but get skewed off the label towards the end so I'll end up with some without the header and some with 2x half-headers. Here are my settings for the label: http://i.imgur.com/etzNRID.png
02:47 alohabot           Hi mib_9m8s5p, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
02:23 * wajasu           looking for GetNormalizedISBN
02:23 * wajasu           investigating why some of my cover images arent found in amazon.
01:55 jcamins            Actually, it looks like at least some of them were upgraded.
01:54 jcamins            Ugh. A lot of Koha 2.2.
01:54 jcamins            ndroftheline: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/SoutheastAsia
01:54 eythian            http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/4/4064574/nins-head-like-a-hole-mashed-with-call-me-maybe-is-perfect <-- unrelated
01:53 jcamins            eythian: and an astonishingly large number of other libraries. I think rangi trained them.
01:53 eythian            The Philippines National Library runs Koha, I think.
01:52 jcamins            And if you have specific questions, you should feel free to ask them on #koha.
01:52 jcamins            There are a lot of libraries in the Philippines using Koha.
01:51 jcamins            He's in Canada now.
01:51 wajasu             i think.
01:51 wajasu             there was a guy on here, mtompset was his handle that was over there last year.  don't know about now.
01:50 ndroftheline       Hello, I am a US Peace Corps Volunteer working in the Philippines. I am trying to help a high school set up a computerized library catalogue. Is there anybody in the Philippines who can help me with this?
01:47 alohabot           Hi mib_513u9w, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
00:49 jcamins            Cool!
00:48 eythian            http://imgur.com/OhI1Y2V <-- wizzyrea
00:33 jcamins            I should make more next time I have dill.
00:22 jcamins            I had forgotten just how awesome crusty dill bread is.
00:22 jcamins            If the breadcrumbs are too small, cancel button would be my preference.
00:21 wizzyrea           I meant adding the side menu with the tabs, adding a cancel button to the floating toolbar, or adding a link to the record in the breadcrumbs
00:21 wizzyrea           naw
00:21 wizzyrea           because I think the breadcrumbs are too small, now that I'm looking at it
00:21 jcamins            Oh, that would be okay. I thought you meant adding the default toolbar.
00:20 wizzyrea           I was thinking of putting it in the floating toolbar with save and z39 search
00:18 jcamins            I would favor breadcrumbs, I think.
00:18 jcamins            I don't think the menu is a good idea because it takes too much space.
00:17 wizzyrea           because you don't get the menu there. I guess that's another option - put the menu on that page.
00:17 wizzyrea           a cancel button that takes you back or a link in the breadcrumbs to click bac
00:16 wizzyrea           but I can't decide which is better
00:16 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen
00:16 wizzyrea           ok, question - regarding bug 9534, I had thought of two ways to do this