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23:33 drojf good night cait
23:33 cait good night all :)
23:26 drojf :)
23:26 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
23:26 drojf interesting
23:20 tcohen interesting sport
23:18 rangi on any given week there are around 55,000 games of cricket played in india :)
23:17 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwCaxx1OJo
23:16 drojf lol
23:16 tcohen hehehe
23:16 tcohen now I know crocket and cricket are not the same thing
23:15 tcohen oh, i've always thought of cricket as something reminiscent to golf
23:13 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kUPIbINbE
23:08 drojf cake \o/
23:05 * cait gets out the birthday cake
23:05 cait thx bag
23:05 tcohen bag: i'll give it a try some day
23:04 bag happy birthday cait!
23:04 bag it's really interesting to watch the small little things that happen on each pitch (it's a mind game more than crazy endurance)
23:04 cait heh I will tcohen :)
23:03 bag if you go with some that point out some of the finer (strategy points) it's really good. but otherwise it does seem like a lot of standing around
23:03 drojf central european time. isn't that what we live in? :)
23:03 tcohen hey cait, please tell kf "happy birtdhay"
23:03 cait ah a timezone thingy
23:03 cait thank you drojf and bgkriegel :)
23:03 cait CET? :)
23:03 bgkriegel cait: Happy birthday!! :)
23:03 drojf HAPPY CET BIRTHDAY cait!! :)
23:03 jcamins Well, sort of.
23:03 jcamins Things actually happen.
23:02 jcamins tcohen: I found the minor league enjoyable.
23:02 tcohen (i'm asking just because I don't even understand the rules)
23:02 tcohen is baseball watching enjoyable?
23:02 cait drojf: more cookies?
23:02 drojf i'm not going to say that i have no idea how these things work
23:02 rangi oleonard was there too
23:02 cait wish i had been there :)
23:02 cait lol
23:02 bag rangi knew way more about baseball than I ever knew about cricket (but that has changed) and knew why more than schuster and paul_p combined
23:02 rangi and that was at kohacon09
23:02 rangi ive only ever been to one game
23:02 jcamins :)
23:02 bag (and in no way was I saying it was bad - just saying it's much better now :) )
23:02 bag jcamins++
23:02 bag ahhh jcamins my opinion of you just increased 100 fold!
23:02 jcamins Major league I found incredibly dull.
23:02 jcamins I enjoyed minor league games.
22:55 bag I vote that jcamins hosts a kohacon or maybe a NY hackfest - so we can go to a mets game (but then also guessing jcamins isn't a baseball fan)
22:55 bag yeah first time for everything right (HA :P )
22:54 cait :)
22:54 rangi ohh awesome
22:53 bag I've got a full mets jersey/onsesie to dress her in :P
22:53 bag rangi I'm thinking of taking Ginny pie to a baseball game tomorrow
22:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Stadtkrone Ost, Dortmund, Germany is 1.6°C (11:40 PM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
22:52 cait @wunder dortmund
22:49 huginn bag: The current temperature in Daggett-Barstow, California is 23.0°C (1:50 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Falling).
22:49 bag @wunder baker ca
22:49 bag HA
22:49 huginn bag: The current temperature in RAWS HUNTER MOUNTAIN CA US, Keeler, California is 15.0°C (2:23 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: . Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.69 in 1039.2 hPa.
22:49 bag @wunder death valley national park ca
22:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Dubai, UAE is 22.0°C (2:00 AM GST on March 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
22:49 jcamins @wunder dubai, uae
22:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in King Khaled, Saudi Arabia is 21.0°C (1:00 AM AST on March 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
22:49 jcamins @wunder riyadh, saudi arabia
22:48 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 32.0°C (7:00 PM ART on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
22:48 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
22:48 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found.
22:48 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentia
22:48 bag We have june gloom that whole time - just cloud cover
22:47 bag well not crazy - May June and July is colder for us
22:47 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in WT_Meso Lubbock 3W, Lubbock, Texas is 11.7°C (4:30 PM CST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
22:47 jcamins @wunder lubbock, tx
22:45 rangi 29 is pretty warm for march isnt it?
22:44 drojf it's all yours if you want it
22:44 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 2.5°C (11:13 PM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
22:44 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
22:43 bag 29!!! it's stinking hot outside
22:43 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 29.2°C (2:39 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
22:43 bag @wunder 93102
22:33 jcamins Guess everyone noticed the time.
22:33 jcamins Heh.
22:32 Jlozano later
22:31 Jlozano lol, well, it's past 1700 EST! gotta go!
22:31 jcamins Hehe.
22:31 * rangi giggles
22:31 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
22:31 rangi we should use more marc
22:29 jcamins I have to agree with Jlozano.
22:29 cait 23:26 on friday
22:29 cait nooo
22:29 rangi ;)
22:29 rangi its 11.26 am on saturday actually
22:29 jcamins Ooh, you're right, cait. DNB does it wrong!
22:29 Jlozano ahhh. internationall indeed.
22:28 cait Jlozano: what I wanted to say earlier - jcamins is in new york, drojf and me are from germany and rangi is nz :)
22:28 Jlozano ok, all, nice to meet everyone, but it's way past 5 on a friday... see you all later.
22:28 jcamins rangi: it agrees with me.
22:28 Jlozano jcamins: hate that stuff.
22:28 rangi what does viaf say
22:27 jcamins drojf: that may be. But if his son (brother? nephew?) is filed under "Debie," he should be too.
22:27 drojf de bie i mean
22:27 drojf looks dutch to me
22:27 jcamins Jlozano: as you may have gathered, I am also a cataloger, and right now I am using my least favorite bibliography ever.
22:26 jcamins (Debie)
22:26 jcamins cait: anyway, my point is, De Bie should be filed under D with all his relatives.
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22:25 cait jcamins: I forgot the exact rle for that... and they changed some stuff for gnd I guess
22:25 rangi http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/20031124.htm
22:25 rangi gah oclc you clowns
22:24 cait i mean de something is more a french last name than a german one
22:24 jcamins You go based on where people would actually look for a person.
22:24 rangi trademark
22:24 jcamins Really? That's definitely not the way it works in AACR2.
22:24 cait not german for the article I think
22:24 rangi Jlozano: i think the copyright (or is it patent) on dewey would stop that
22:24 cait it would be french
22:24 cait well
22:23 jcamins (that is, he was German, the name is not)
22:23 jcamins Hence the reason I think that "de" is probably not an article that can be stuck at the end.
22:23 jcamins cait: no, not at all German.
22:22 cait De Bie doens't look german to me, drojf?
22:22 Jlozano Hey anybody know a free dewey generator?
22:22 jcamins However, he is definitely "De Bie" not "de Bie."
22:22 Jlozano that's awesome!
22:22 jcamins De Bie, that is.
22:22 jcamins cait: it's possible he's German.
22:22 melia ha!
22:21 cait then it's a bit more quiet and I have to talk to myself most of the time
22:21 cait so almost always someone is here.. except for weekends
22:21 cait Jlozano: koha is quite international too :)
22:21 cait at least it would be in rak
22:21 jcamins Jlozano: hehe.
22:20 cait but i have no idea what it is
22:20 Jlozano oh, that would be me.
22:20 cait if it was afrench lastname it would be correct
22:20 jcamins ("De Bie" being a last name)
22:20 cait hm
22:20 jcamins I have a puzzle for you: who files "De Bie" under *B*?
22:19 Jlozano wow, it's nice to know everyone is still involved. So many people bail on projects.
22:19 rangi and jcamins is the 3.12 release manager
22:19 * cait goes into hiding
22:19 cait um.
22:18 jcamins Jlozano: you'll find that the denizens of #koha include some rather impressive individuals. rangi was the original author of the first version of Koha, and cait is the Quality Assurance Manager for the project.
22:17 drojf lol
22:17 cait ...
22:17 cait know
22:17 drojf cookies \o/
22:17 cait now exactly how you feel
22:17 * cait hands drojf cookies
22:17 cait lol
22:17 jcamins drojf: "me" was okay there. "I" is considered to sound overly stuffy.
22:16 drojf i. myself. whatever. late
22:16 rangi heh
22:16 drojf only important people on #koha. important people and me.
22:16 NateC heh
22:15 Jlozano You guys are the real deal I guess.
22:15 Jlozano wow.
22:15 Jlozano I think I talked with someone from there but it was some time ago.
22:14 NateC jlozano: you have the two owners and the COO at your service!
22:14 jcamins (bag = Brendan Gallagher, NateC = Nate Curulla, and melia = Melia Meggs)
22:13 Jlozano ah, nice!
22:13 bag hey
22:12 NateC jlozano: we are always here :)
22:12 drojf heh
22:12 cait and another one
22:12 jcamins ^^ and another
22:12 NateC Im hea
22:12 jcamins ^^ there you go. Someone from ByWater.
22:11 melia yep I'm here
22:11 jcamins NateC: around?
22:11 cait melia: around?
22:11 cait Jlozano: they are around quite a bit
22:11 jcamins bag: around?
22:11 drojf which anyone would you like? ;)
22:10 Jlozano Anybody ever talk to anyone from bywater? are the ever on here?
22:09 cait :)
22:09 drojf ok :)
22:09 cait :)
22:09 cait yep
22:09 drojf cait: it is still an hour in our timezone, right? (topic)
22:08 drojf good evening #koha
22:08 jcamins cait: true.
22:08 Jlozano To be honest I just have to get my marc records in a row first tho.
22:07 Jlozano * reimage I mean.
22:07 Jlozano well, I might be image and install 3.10 if that dependency thing is not a problem anymore.
22:05 cait but if you plan a migration it#s most often a longer timeframe I was thinking
22:05 jcamins But I keep on getting gun-shy when it's time to pull the trigger.
22:05 jcamins We've been talking about upgrading to 3.8.x.
22:05 cait yep we do that too
22:05 jcamins I use 3.6.x in production.
22:05 cait many people still run older versions - but maybe take a look at rlease notes sometime
22:04 jcamins Um, it was removed yesterday.
22:03 Jlozano What would you say it's the main reason to be on .10 v .8?
22:03 Jlozano how long ago? I wonder if I should try again.
22:01 * jcamins would guess it was the dependency on digest-jhash, which we removed from the dependency list since it didn't play nicely with multiarch systems.
22:01 Jlozano The basic error was that it didn't get past dependency check pearl not installed and nothing happened.
22:01 cait koha is moving quite fast between versions
22:01 cait 38 has not the same feature set as 3.10 :)
22:00 Jlozano I haven't even tried to put in a volume.
22:00 Jlozano yeah, when I do a production run on it, I will, right now it's just research on the system.
22:00 rangi hmm 3.10.03 installed ok just now for me .. if you get a chance to try again sometime if you could document exactly the error you get that would be good
22:00 jcamins Hehe.
22:00 Jlozano 750 hrs a month anyway, which is convenient, because that's how many hours there are in a month.
22:00 jcamins Most people who try to follow a set of instructions that aren't the same as the recommended ones end up on #koha asking for help unbreaking their installation. :)
21:59 Jlozano and shows you how you can essentially get a free server for a year on AWS Amazon.
21:59 Jlozano It does, however it does begin on how go get the server, and devian version ETC.
21:59 jcamins I guess the fact that Jlozano didn't have any problems suggests that it does.
21:58 rangi if it follows that wiki page, it will be ok
21:58 * jcamins isn't at home.
21:58 cait my internet connection si not stable enough...
21:58 Jlozano It got me up and running.
21:57 jcamins I guess someone should probably watch it, confirm that it's correct.
21:57 Jlozano http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRbyePlN-QY
21:57 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze
21:57 Jlozano yeah, youtube, a dude at AppState university did it.
21:57 jcamins Nor have I.
21:56 rangi never heard of that
21:56 Jlozano followed the "Koha in 11 mins" youtube video.
21:56 Jlozano pkgs.
21:56 rangi did you use the packages or the tarball?
21:56 Jlozano I have two instances, I have one on Amazon AWS and I bought a Linode server for the month.
21:56 jcamins Really? Hm. It should install smoothly.
21:55 Jlozano something about pearl, blah, blah, blah.
21:54 cait and I was wondering about the koha version because there is sometimes some confusion about the different versions - so best to make sure you get it right :)
21:54 Jlozano tried 3.10 but wouln't install.
21:54 Jlozano Installed v 3.8
21:54 Jlozano Charlotte, NC Queens University of Charlotte.
21:54 cait oh, where are you located? :)
21:54 Jlozano about 80K items.
21:53 Jlozano it's our university library.
21:53 Jlozano well, we have Sirsi Dynex and I'm exploring how we can get from under that bill.
21:53 jcamins That's also a good question.
21:53 cait and which vresion did you install? :)
21:53 jcamins What kind of library do you have?
21:53 jcamins Excellent!
21:52 Jlozano I got the server installed a couple of days ago, deleted the sample libraries, added some patrons... life is good. I'm not gonna push it until next week
21:44 jcamins I like this idea.
21:44 jcamins Hehe.
21:44 cait I decided to change the versioning with this birthday.... it will be "katrin release cookie dough icecream" maybe
21:44 cait :)
21:44 cait lol
21:43 cjh #koha birthday party for cait \o/
21:39 * cait nods
21:39 jcamins They are.
21:39 cait timzones are confusing
21:38 cait well... becasue you are not in nz
21:28 jcamins Oh.
21:28 cait only 22:25 here :) but I appreaciate the thought :)
21:27 cait hm it's too early jcamins :)
21:24 * jcamins throws confetti.
21:24 jcamins Happy birthday!
21:24 * cait wonders who is to blame for the motd
21:23 cait aaaw
21:16 oleonard Have a good weekend #koha
21:09 jcamins I am going to go with whichever patch results in improvements we can use without causing any regressions.
21:08 oleonard I've attached a rebased patch to 9456, FWIW. khall and I differ about the best way to approach it.
20:34 jcamins Ah.
20:34 oleonard Unfortunately looking at it now I think git's auto-merge breaks the table-sorting in my patch
20:32 jcamins Or started reviewing before I realized that I wasn't going to push it no matter what.
20:32 jcamins I mean, I reviewed the code for both patches, but not the result.
20:32 jcamins I did not look at the two patches separately.
20:31 jcamins If the original patch adds something useful and leaves the screen readable, I could push it.
20:30 jcamins I did not check.
20:30 jcamins I had understood that the appearance was the same both with and without the follow-up.
20:30 jcamins That was what I got out of the discussion.
20:30 jcamins I think the follow-up was supposed to eliminate the table, which we're trying to avoid using for layout?
20:28 oleonard My patch is passed QA, but so is a patch that undoes the changes my patch made?
20:28 jcamins I objected to the fact that before the patch I could figure out what library an item was at, and after the patch I could not.
20:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add callnumber column to the cart
20:28 oleonard I don't understand where we are with Bug 9456
20:21 oleonard Okay, must be a problem on my branch. Thanks for checking
20:21 jcamins Yup, commit 204a35f889b917c85dd8da716c67fe87657b5b98
20:19 jcamins Looks pushed to me.
20:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9663 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission
20:18 oleonard jcamins: Bug 9663 says "Pushed" but I don't think it was
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20:03 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice weekend every1
19:19 jcamins Not to my knowledge.
19:19 tcohen is there something about koha design patterns on the wiki?
18:54 jcamins Yay!
18:54 tcohen jcamins, done
18:52 tcohen i'l think about it, maybe a no-redirectio version would be the best
18:41 jcamins tcohen: probably you could just tell it to redirect to the page you wanted to go to in the first place?
18:38 tcohen rangi, thanks, I saw it, but it does a redirect also, and I'm not sure how to have to cookie object at that level
18:32 rangi C4::Templates::setlanguagecookie
18:30 jcamins Lunch time!
18:30 jcamins tcohen: take a look at how opac-changelanguage.pl does it.
18:30 tcohen but didn't find a proper way to make it persistent setting the cookies
18:29 tcohen i've managed to set the language using URL parameters
18:29 oleonard I don't know about that tcohen, sorry.
18:29 tcohen oleonard, do we have a function to set the language in the cookie?
17:57 jcamins When I decided to go with Harvest I had several projects that I billed in 6-minute increments which I switched between frequently, so I just needed something immediately.
17:56 slef We didn't get on with OpenERP or Tryton, and having more members than FTE workers means that most subscription services quickly become uneconomic for us.
17:56 slef Yeah, we're building our FOSS system up at the moment.
17:46 jcamins Though I've been using OpenERP for other things and liking it, so I may try and figure out a streamlined interface to its time tracking.
17:42 jcamins I tried a couple of FOSS systems first, but none of them were as streamlined, and a time logger is useless if it's too much trouble to remember to use it.
17:41 jcamins I actually paid for a subscription to Harvest.
17:40 slef the perl one is hooked up to ours. I don't use it. I use emacs (surprise, huh?) except when travelling. What's yours, if it's FOSS?
17:38 jcamins I use an online system so that I can tap a large red button on my phone when I start things.
17:37 slef I can mail you a perl time-logger if you like, but you probably have your own tools.
17:37 jcamins I'll start doing that as of now, though, since it's a good point.
17:37 jcamins Yeah.
17:37 slef might be interesting to quantify aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh
17:37 jcamins I log my time for everything other than RM duties.
17:37 slef do you log your time?
17:36 jcamins Yup.
17:36 slef snap
17:36 slef but that's minimum
17:36 jcamins Minimum.
17:36 slef so 0.28 Full-Time Equivalent
17:36 oleonard jcamins++
17:35 oleonard And the project is the better for it.
17:33 jcamins I'd say on the weeks when I don't do much, it's about 10 hours more than I would've spent if I weren't RM.
17:30 jcamins Yeah, now is when it goes from "too much" to "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh."
17:29 slef jcamins: you seem to have kept on top of it pretty well so far, but the next 6 weeks are the tricky bit.
17:29 slef jcamins: I suspect it would be useful info, help to avoid getting a lame-duck RM.
17:29 slef and that was RMaint
17:29 slef my last figures are what, 7 releases ago?
17:28 jcamins slef: I don't know, but I could probably figure it out.
17:28 slef jcamins: any idea how many hours you spent RMing on top of what you would have spent anyway?
17:26 jcamins slef: hiring an RM would be rather dear compared to a conference, I think.
17:25 slef that and I nuked our koha-community budget :-/
17:25 slef Same old question: What are the priorities?
17:19 jcamins You could switch to 3.12! :P
17:19 tcohen anyway, out for lunch :-D
17:19 tcohen i arrived late for 3.8.x, that would be easier as we actually use it
17:18 jcamins It is, but it's also kind of fun. :)
17:18 tcohen mmm rmaint is a lot of resposability!
17:16 jcamins oleonard: not likely, sorry.
17:15 oleonard There's gotta be a way we can rope jcamins into being RM or an RMaint...
17:14 jcamins ^^ that was cait volunteering to be RM
17:14 wahanui documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
17:14 jcamins Or documentation.
17:14 cait bye all
17:14 cait ok, that seems like a good moment to leave ;)
17:13 jcamins Or RM!!!!
17:13 jcamins Or work on live CDs/DVDs.
17:13 jcamins Or packaging.
17:13 jcamins Or you could do QA.
17:13 jcamins Or RMaint for 3.12.
17:13 bag we should list everyone names on sign-off'er ;)
17:12 cait maybe you could help with translations?
17:12 tcohen where? cant find
17:11 jcamins There's always space for you! :D
17:11 tcohen I see most of the places are filled for 3.14 roles
17:10 tcohen its my first time
17:10 tcohen heh, no, but the whole transaction got me too nervous
17:10 jcamins tcohen: cool, I didn't realize that one could exchange cars for brains.
17:09 tcohen i've just sold my car, i got my brain back
17:07 oleonard Hi tcohen
17:07 tcohen hi #koha!
16:52 jcamins I'm testing it as a side effect of other things.
16:52 jcamins Probably not MariaDB.
16:52 slef Same old question: What are the priorities?
16:51 slef I need more time to test it, though.
16:51 slef I should use MariaDB it's more free.
16:51 jcamins Someone told me "hey, you should use MariaDB it's more free," and I said "okay, fine."
16:51 jcamins Actually, I don't even have any objection to MySQL.
16:51 jcamins maximep: I have no objection to VirtualBox.
16:50 cait at least thethering seems to work better :)
16:50 maximep I guess I just don't care that much :S
16:50 cait yay
16:50 cait oh ok, none of what I said shoed up here...
16:50 maximep like virtualbox, mysql, etc
16:50 maximep so this freedom thing is not using anything that could have the word oracle in it ?
16:48 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
16:48 cait irc logs?
16:48 cait grr
16:47 jcamins I use Plack on master.
16:47 maximep ok
16:47 jcamins I wouldn't use it in production for the intranet.
16:47 maximep ?
16:47 maximep but I guess you have to update to latest 3.10 for it
16:47 jcamins It works great, except when it doesn't, which is often.
16:46 maximep hmmm we really have to spend time trying Plack for our intranets
16:46 jcamins It's hard to tell.
16:46 maximep yeah, i think much of the perf updates are in mysql 5.6
16:46 jcamins But then again, there may just be an issue with deleting things under Plack.
16:46 jcamins There may be an issue with deleting things in MariaDB.
16:46 jcamins But I don't think it makes much of a difference.
16:45 maximep right
16:45 maximep ah
16:45 jcamins :P
16:45 rambutan I think the issue is freedom as much as features
16:45 jcamins maximep: I'm striking a blow for freedom everywhere?
16:45 maximep jcamins: is mariadb really worth it if you dont use any of its extra features ?
16:45 jcamins Not in production.
16:45 jcamins Yup.
16:45 rambutan jcamins: you use mariadb for Koha now?
16:44 maximep mongodb is a completly different db
16:44 jcamins MongoDB is something else entirely.
16:44 jcamins rambutan: I use MariaDB.
16:43 mustard Do none of you Really Smart people have any thoughts of replacing MySql w/ MariaDB (or, huh, MongoDB)?
16:34 slef usb or wifi tether? I find it tends to work better than dongle, which seems a bit odd to me, but I guess the phone has its own power.
16:34 cait1 and trying to tether from the phone
16:33 cait1 I am still trying to figure it out
16:33 cait1 we are a bit outside of the city
16:33 slef oh right... why is your o2 failing to be stable?
16:33 cait1 some hotels do that... don't have their own but let telecom do it
16:33 cait1 telecom I think
16:32 cait1 not for this internet... but to get wifi from the hotel
16:32 slef have you asked them what flavour crack their price-setters are on?
16:32 slef wahahwhwhat?
16:31 cait1 and they want 4,50€/hour to use their internet...
16:31 slef or is this an attempt to surround us?
16:31 cait1 it totally does.
16:31 slef cait1: hello again. Your internet sucks.
16:30 jcamins Sounds good.
16:30 slef ok, I'll stop failing to fail it for now then :)
16:30 jcamins I'll fail it tonight, I guess.
16:30 jcamins Oh, yes, he does say it explicitly.
16:29 slef comment 4, right?
16:28 jcamins He doesn't say that explicitly.
16:28 slef jcamins: I guess I just don't understand this enough to review it :-/
16:28 * slef goes to reread bug
16:28 jcamins Nope. It's the result of regenerating biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml.
16:28 slef jcamins: yeah, those comment changes are the intriguing bit, but I don't know if it's just updates to reflect record.abs
16:27 jcamins And we have to conclude that the problem is not a missing "any" for barcode, since keyword searching is working in most other fields, right?
16:26 jcamins slef: it's regenerated. See the comments?
16:26 slef jcamins: etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml is patched. I don't see it being regenerated, although some of the patching is intriguing.
16:26 cait ok, intenet at the hotel is not better than on the train
16:25 cait you asked me htat before :) germany has adopted marc21 and was using a german data format mab/mab2 before
16:25 cait why would i use unimarc? :)
16:25 jcamins And I question the fix anyway, since it doesn't address whatever the actual issue is.
16:25 jcamins Right.
16:25 slef jcamins: only the assignee's comment
16:25 slef grr
16:25 slef cait: only the assignee's comment
16:24 slef jcamins: then no :)
16:24 jcamins MARC21.
16:24 slef cait: do you use MARC21 or UNIMARC?
16:20 jcamins And... I don't know how I feel about the MARC21/UNIMARC issue. Are we sure there's a problem in UNIMARC?
16:19 jcamins slef: a friend of mine bought cookies from me for BTC.
16:19 slef wow, chocolate that you can buy with bitcoin
16:19 slef any thoughts on the MARC21/UNIMARC aspect?
16:17 jcamins But oh well.
16:17 slef heh, true, but close enough!
16:17 jcamins You asked for "opinions," which that wasn't really.
16:16 slef I'm currently working on something else, then may return to that
16:16 slef I did
16:16 slef huh?
16:15 jcamins Oh, I thought you asked for "thoughts."
16:14 jcamins Or whatever it's called.
16:14 jcamins Or biblio-koha-indexefs
16:14 jcamins It regenerates koha-biblio-indexdefs.xml.
16:13 jcamins Yes... I thought I already failed that patch.
16:12 slef opinions?
16:12 slef well they don't mention MARC formats at all
16:11 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
16:11 slef coding guidelines?
16:11 slef I remember looking at both of those. 8252 I did not test because I have no UNIMARC sites and 8620 I wondered if it should fix UNIMARC as well as MARC21
16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Barcode searching not working correctly
16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8252 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Error in DOM biblio for UNIMARC (no range for fields 1xx)
16:10 slef Mailing bug 8252 and bug 8620
16:09 slef running patches2bugs mailer
16:08 reiveune bye
16:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add perldoc for update_totalissues.pl
16:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update j2a perl doc
16:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #301: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/301/
16:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add perldoc for update_totalissues.pl
16:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update j2a perl doc
16:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #31: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/31/
16:06 oleonard Bye Joubu
16:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #31 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #301 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:06 Joubu good bye #koha, have a good week-end!
16:06 rambutan I still prefer Konqueror when I want split screens, that's immensely cool to me
16:05 oleonard The only thing on that list that's new is 1) and 5)
16:05 rambutan Not saying these aren't good features, just that FF has been adding stuff.
16:04 rambutan Features: (1) sync w/ mobile devices (2) password manager (3) pop-up blocker (4) form auto-complete (5) Location-Aware Browsing
16:04 oleonard I tested the new Bootstrap stuff in 3.6.28
16:03 oleonard although I have to say I haven't been much interested in looking at FF's new developer tools, being accustomed to Firebug
16:00 * jcamins will let you know how Koha works in FF 3.6.28.
15:59 oleonard It's easy to say that FF has feature creep, but what are the features in the creep? It doesn't seem like it's got new bells and whistles
15:58 oleonard Thanks
15:57 jcamins You can set it to Passed QA.
15:57 jcamins I don't suppose Opera runs on OS X 10.4.11...
15:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9445 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use DataTables in local use system preferences editor
15:57 oleonard jcamins: I have a revised patch for Bug 9445. Can I set it back to needs signoff or would you rather it get a new signoff?
15:56 jcamins Anyway, what can I do for you, oleonard?
15:56 rambutan That was certainly the case with the old Mozilla suite, but after FF kinda went out on it's own it was better for a while, but now its got feature creep again.
15:54 jwagner FF used to be a nice slim functional browser. The last several versions it's gotten more and more bloated, and changes functionality for no good reason.
15:54 rambutan s/the/that
15:53 rambutan I have the vague, uncomfortable feeling the FF is becoming more MS-centric. Maybe just me, however, and that's not the case.
15:53 slef I saw someone complaining that Mozilla were refusing to implement new standards until one of ( Opera, Microsoft, Google ) did, but I've not checked that.
15:53 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add id to j2a perl documentation
15:53 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add j2a cron
15:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #300: SUCCESS in 1 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/300/
15:52 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add id to j2a perl documentation
15:52 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add j2a cron
15:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #30: SUCCESS in 1 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/30/
15:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #300 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FIXED)
15:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: FIXED)
15:52 slef Mozilla seem to be losing the plot more and more
15:51 oleonard Heh, in the options for "Firefox no longer works with some versions of Windows XP," they suggest "Download Opera"
15:51 jcamins Well, sure, but people aren't going to go out and buy a new computer just to run Firefox.
15:50 oleonard I assume it's because they don't fix security problems in older versions?
15:50 jcamins For the record, I still maintain it is poor user experience to not direct the user to 3.6.28 right away.
15:49 jcamins Thanks!
15:49 jcamins Ah-ha!
15:48 jwagner also https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-older-version-of-firefox
15:48 jwagner jcamins, yes, there are sites for old versions. See http://www.oldversion.com/windows/mozilla-firefox/ for one
15:48 oleonard I seem to recall jumping through hoops to find a 3.6.x version to test on
15:48 jcamins I generally expect to be told "Your system doesn't meet the requirements for the current version. Please consider $AncientVersion."
15:47 jcamins But the FF front page says "Your system doesn't meet the requirements for Firefox! Ha!"
15:47 jcamins I didn't look yet.
15:47 oleonard You mean you couldn't find the older version to download?
15:46 jcamins ... you can't download an old version of Firefox for an old computer?
15:45 jcamins Well, actually, I've been here about twenty minutes, but I had to fix my client's LAN.
15:44 jcamins Just got in.
15:10 oleonard jcamins around again yet?
14:13 cait1 ok... and now I missed him :)
14:11 * jcamins heads into the city.
14:10 huginn cait1: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009)
14:10 cait1 @quote random
14:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9326 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , New database update system suggests running duplicate updates
14:04 slef Changes submitted for bug 9326
14:01 jcamins I hadn't noticed the weird ordering before.
14:00 jcamins slef: by all means.
13:58 Herwig lol
13:58 magnuse me too! :-)
13:57 magnuse :-)
13:57 Herwig i learn new things everytime i come here :)
13:57 Herwig :)
13:57 Herwig magnuse ++++++
13:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9326 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , New database update system suggests running duplicate updates
13:56 slef Could we downgrade Bug 9326, then? I don't think 9326 should block release. Also, it appears unnecessarily high in the needs-signoff list and ahead of this bug which it depends upon.
13:50 Herwig 50000 record just a sec ;)
13:49 Herwig i try afther indexing
13:49 magnuse the names that koha-list give are the ones you should use in commands
13:49 magnuse if you do koha-list you can see the instances you have
13:49 Herwig works
13:48 magnuse koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f koha-oe
13:48 magnuse ah try:
13:43 Herwig koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f koha_koha-oe
13:43 magnuse Herwig: what was the command you gave?
13:42 Herwig i get sudo: unknown user: koha_koha-oe-koha
13:42 magnuse Herwig: then you have created an instance called koha-oe?
13:41 Herwig i have koha_koha-oe
13:40 magnuse Herwig: the actual database "inside" mysql will be koha_library or library_koha, i never remember which
13:40 wahanui oleonard: i don't know
13:40 oleonard wahanui: IYSWIM is "If you see what I mean"
13:40 magnuse Herwig: library is the name of the instance
13:39 slef oleonard++
13:37 * oleonard guesses "If you see what I mean?"
13:37 oleonard IYSWIM?
13:37 nengard slef what is IYSWIM ?
13:36 Herwig Hey koha i'm moving a koha database to a test server now i wanna rebuild zebra with sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library ... is the word library the database name ?
13:34 slef IYSWIM
13:34 slef upgraded it to blocker because it blocks a blocker
13:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 blocker, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements
13:34 slef Changes submitted for bug 7167
13:34 oleonard Hi #koha
12:35 magnuse yay
12:35 cait more urban area now so I hope internet will be a bit more stable
12:34 cait yeah lots of tunnels on that part of the trip - but past that now :)
12:34 cait ah :)
12:34 * magnuse imagines cait zooming in and out of tunnels in the german countryside
12:28 magnuse wikiedia knew :-)
12:26 jcamins Huh. Who knew?
12:25 magnuse oh, it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pig_Day in the US
12:25 magnuse don't know why i am impatient then :-)
12:24 magnuse ah, ok
12:24 jcamins 7:20.
12:24 jcamins It's a bit early still.
12:24 magnuse s/us/US/
12:23 magnuse i was just expecting us people to start showing up around now
12:23 jcamins Why?
12:23 jcamins Not that I know of.
12:23 magnuse is there a us holiday today or something?
11:55 magnuse indexdata--
11:55 magnuse mostly?!? and how are the rules defined?
11:55 magnuse "This file provides rules for representing a record in the ISO2709 format. The rules pertain mostly to the values of the constant-length header of the record."
11:54 magnuse how is anyone supposed to know what the usmarc.mar file does when the documentation is limited to one small, vague paragraph? https://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/grs-conf.html#grs-mar-files
11:34 huginn magnuse: indexdata has neutral karma.
11:34 magnuse @karma indexdata
10:57 magnuse male intuition:-)
10:50 cait1 heh how did you know? ;)
10:50 magnuse cait1: on a train?
10:30 cait1 yeah, probably too small :)
10:29 huginn cait1: Error: No such location could be found.
10:28 cait1 @wunder st. georgen
09:58 magnuse i'll reproduce that setup and see if it changes anything
09:57 magnuse and "Advance notice" is ticked off in the enhanced messaging section for the relevant patron category
09:56 magnuse on the instance that works, only ODUE messages are set there
09:56 magnuse hm, maybe i found the problem with the DUE messages? they were set up to be sent as the first message in the "Overdue notice/status triggers" settings
09:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
09:19 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Dortmund, Germany is 2.0°C (9:50 AM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
09:19 cait @wunder Dortmund
09:18 cait did you check the title in question is correct?
09:17 cait magnuse: running out of ideas :(
09:16 drojf good morning #koha
09:16 magnuse yeah, it's DUE
09:14 cait I am not using those.... too annoying to get so many emails :)
09:14 cait that is DUE not the DGST
09:13 * cait ponders
09:13 magnuse no library specific templates
09:13 cait is it a library specific template each time? or all libraries?
09:13 magnuse http://paste.koha-community.org/413
09:13 magnuse http://paste.koha-community.org/413http://paste.koha-community.org/413
09:13 cait oh
09:13 cait hm yeah would make sense
09:13 magnuse but i think the packages run the same script with the same params for all instances
09:12 magnuse um, not sure
09:11 cait also did you use the itemscontent parameter on the cronjob?
09:11 magnuse one moment
09:11 magnuse sure
09:10 cait for due?
09:10 cait can you share your notice tempateß
09:10 cait hmm
09:10 magnuse well, i just enabled them
09:10 magnuse nope
09:07 cait and they never worked?
09:07 cait hm
09:06 magnuse yeah, as far as i can tell they are identical between the instance that works and the one that does not
09:05 cait checked your notice templates?
09:05 magnuse koha 3.8 btw
09:05 magnuse hm, why is one of my instances sending DUE messages that lack title and author? ODUE messages have them and other instances running off the same package install has them...
09:04 magnuse hi samuel
09:04 samuel hi everybody :-)
08:59 christophe_c hi cait
08:59 cait :)
08:59 cait hi christophe_c and magnuse
08:58 magnuse bonjour christophe_c
08:55 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "Bravo #kohails and #BibLibre ! Another French university chooses Koha : Université de Paris-Sud"
08:49 christophe_c hello magnuse
08:40 magnuse another french university chooses koha? cool!
08:40 magnuse bonjour france
08:32 christophe_c hello all
08:32 gaetan_B hello
08:07 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Nous sommes heureux d'annoncer que l'Université de Paris-Sud a choisi #KOHAils et #BibLibre pour son futur SIGB"
07:46 reiveune hello
06:59 magnuse hiya Oak and cait
06:59 Oak :)
06:58 cait hi Oak :)
06:58 Oak hello cait
06:58 Oak magnuse
06:52 * cait waves
06:50 magnuse wow, 235 signoffs in february!
06:44 magnuse Oak
06:44 * magnuse waves
06:29 * dcook heads off toward the weekend
06:12 cait goodmornig
06:11 dcook Morning, cait :)
06:06 dcook hi Oak :)
06:06 * Oak waves
06:06 dcook Thinking about giving some sort of presentation, but not really sure on what yet. Maybe something for librarians/other newbies.
06:05 dcook :D
06:04 rangi sweet!
06:01 dcook In other news, it looks like I'm going to Reno :). Have to look at flights and what leave I want to take before/after, but yay!
05:54 rangi :)
05:50 dcook I suppose that goes back to what you were saying before mentioning the talk :p
05:47 dcook Cataloguers seem to hate them though.
05:47 dcook They seemingly do facets well
05:46 dcook Some of the things that RDA is irrelevantly expanding into other fields..
05:46 dcook So they give more options for language, audience, media type, etc
05:46 dcook They seem to also pick out a lot more of the fixed field data than traditional OPACs
05:45 dcook Mmm
05:45 rangi over the catalogue and databases
05:44 rangi is try to do some (not federated .. that would be sensible) kinda union search
05:44 rangi what the discovery interfaces seem to do
05:44 rangi yeah
05:37 dcook I suppose those are two slightly different ideas about discovery though
05:37 * dcook tends to trawl bookstores and comic shops for that
05:36 dcook I was intrigued by VPL's use of Bibliocommons, but I've usually used the opac for targetted searches rather than discovery..
05:36 dcook What do people want to know?
05:36 dcook I still wonder a bit about the concept of discovery though
05:34 dcook [off] Exactly! I put that in my library school entrance essay, and they seemed rather keen on that idea
05:33 dcook So that it's outputting meaningful standard-based metadata?
05:33 rangi and some whatever else
05:33 rangi and then you throw it some dublin core
05:32 rangi pretty much
05:32 rangi [off] exactly libraries dont really need new missions, or to reinvent themselves they just need to improve delivery of their current mission and market themselves so ppl know they still exist
05:32 dcook So with ElasticSearch...you pass it the MARCXML and the MARCXML schema, then it indexes everything and outputs it as JSON?
05:31 dcook [off] I really like that idea actually. A lot of my conversations/papers a few years ago related to making the library relevant to real people. It contains the items they want. They just need to know that the library has them, and have an efficient way of actually finding those items
05:30 dcook [off] lol
05:30 dcook But now I have noticed more of a focus on the staff end, since clients are librarians. Interesting..
05:30 rangi [off] performance art almost :)
05:30 dcook Throughout library school, I always thought about things from the perspective of the end user (as I really enjoyed the Vancouver Public Library)
05:30 rangi [off] the idea is i get a panel of non library users, and 10 opacs, and ask them to find a certain title
05:29 rangi i should pitch my talk idea to ALA
05:29 dcook hehe
05:28 rangi never have to even
05:28 rangi not being a librarian, im all about making the opac useful, if i never to try to improve staff workflows again ill be happy
05:24 rangi with elastic search you could make the opac do discovery .. in an actual useful fashion
05:24 rangi you pass the schema with the data you want to index
05:24 rangi the main advantage is it is schema less
05:22 * dcook has been meaning to play with it for...a little over a year
05:21 dcook I thought ElasticSearch only worked with JSON
05:20 rangi (it's actually not so bad with jcamins search rewrite)
05:20 rangi 20 points if you do it
05:20 dcook Integrate ElasticSearch as a search engine
05:20 dcook OMGWTFBBQ!
04:07 * jcamins heads to bed.
04:07 jcamins Something of an argument in favor of any other framework, I think.
04:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1064: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1064/
03:36 libsysguy total catalyst app size 1.9M
03:35 libsysguy 78M
03:35 libsysguy and the grand total size for the perl deps for my catalyst app
03:32 * libsysguy has been at this too long
03:32 libsysguy so if you wanna be my dependency, you gotta be dependencies for my friends
03:31 libsysguy lol
03:31 libsysguy I am into modules without deps
03:31 jcamins Heh.
03:31 libsysguy I think I can see light at the end of my force install tunnel
03:29 jcamins lol
03:29 libsysguy :p
03:29 jcamins Alas.
03:29 libsysguy but it will fix insomnia
03:29 libsysguy sadly no
03:29 jcamins That will fix bed bugs?
03:28 libsysguy install all the dependencies from cpan
03:09 dcook :(
03:09 jcamins In the city, anyway.
03:09 jcamins Yup.
03:08 dcook Are bed bugs still a hot issue in the US?
03:08 dcook ...so to speak
03:08 dcook In any case, I'll be happy to put this cover image bug to bed
03:08 dcook Hmm, maybe I'm referring to something different. I just meant that expandable bar you had on the right with all the added info
03:02 jcamins Yeah, but it's not really generally usable at this point.
03:00 jcamins eythian++
03:00 dcook I assume that JS is the one that I noticed on your dev instance? Seems useful.
03:00 eythian koha packages from master being deployed, based on the new signing keys.
03:00 dcook Mmm, interesting
02:59 jcamins rangi: do you backport all the Plack fixes to 3.10/3.8?
02:57 jcamins It just so happens that as a side effect it prevents the bug showing up.
02:56 jcamins No, the Javascript is for something else entirely.
02:55 dcook Using special javascript would probably be a better idea, but...this fixes the immediate problem
02:55 dcook My patch is actually incomplete. Fixing up a complete one at the moment
02:55 dcook Mmm
02:54 jcamins That bug has been reported a lot, but I've never been able to duplicate it because I use special Javascript on sites that have both local cover images and Amazon cover images.
02:54 dcook ?
02:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #1064 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:54 jcamins dcook++
02:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3549 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Framework sorting in addbook
02:53 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 3549 -[Revised]- Framework sorting in addbook
02:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1063: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1063/
02:42 jcamins Nope. PQF is just mean like that.
02:42 eythian maybe there's a separate unary not operator.
02:41 jcamins Right, but I maintain that it should not be binary at all.
02:41 eythian well, really a binary operator should be binary, not unary ;)
02:40 jcamins If you're using PQF, it's mostly just nuts.
02:40 eythian I see...
02:40 jcamins Unless you are using PQF, yes.
02:40 eythian it is, isn't it?
02:38 jcamins Not should be a unary operator.
02:38 jcamins Binary logical not.
02:38 wahanui that is in march?
02:38 dcook What's that?
02:38 jcamins You know what I dislike?
02:35 jcamins [off] Good point. I will come and force you to work on Koha next time you visit.
02:35 dcook IN ANY CASE, cool clouds all around
02:35 dcook :p
02:34 wizzyrea O NOES
02:34 dcook [off] Or exactly where to find me when I'm on holiday visiting my folks ;)
02:29 jcamins [off] Now everyone knows you're provincial? :P
02:28 dcook [off] I probably shouldn't have said that...*shrug*
02:27 dcook That's from 50 km north of my hometown :)
02:27 dcook http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121023.html
02:26 eythian http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130227.html
02:24 dcook In this case, the amazon image just needs to be wrapped in a span...
02:22 * dcook is having way too much fun imagining such a scenario
02:21 eythian it's always a solution.
02:21 eythian tennis with lit dynamite whilst riding bears.
02:20 * dcook thinks he has a workable solution
02:20 wizzyrea lol.
02:20 dcook :D
02:15 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:15 eythian wahanui: the most dangerous game is http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1488
02:15 wahanui eythian: what?
02:15 eythian wahanui: the most dangerous game
02:09 wizzyrea sounds like the ghostly howls of a drowned tuba player.
02:07 eythian the forecasts are the saddest thing
02:07 jcamins eythian: why are we sad about Itanium?
02:07 wahanui okay, eythian.
02:07 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://ur1.ca/cxl9a
02:06 wahanui okay, eythian.
02:06 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://i39.tinypic.com/14jz15f.jpg
02:03 wahanui okay, eythian.
02:03 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png
02:01 wahanui the saddest thing is probably http://ur1.ca/9x67k
02:01 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
01:56 dcook As for the covers, let's see what I can drum up in the next few minutes..
01:54 dcook :)
01:54 wizzyrea woot!
01:54 dcook [off] In unrelated news, my struggle with the old real estate has finally ended in victory after battling for a month! Bond returned in full ^_^.
01:53 wizzyrea oh cascading covers has never worked well.
01:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists
01:53 dcook bug 9737
01:49 dcook In this case, there is a local image elment that should not be erased but it's getting sucked up in the mess
01:48 dcook But it looks like it removes every image element when it has an error and spits out its own "No cover available"
01:48 dcook I'm just about to look at the Amazoncover.js
01:48 dcook wizzyrea: I'm trying to fetch an image from Amazon with a valid ISBN but the Amazon URL doesn't show anything...
01:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1063 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Template files contain single quote strings
01:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9669 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on staff client cart toolbar
01:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Undefined value stops import from z39.50
01:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9663 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission
01:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9555: Template files contain single quote strings
01:44 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9669 - Replace YUI buttons on staff client cart toolbar
01:44 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 5333 - z3950 normalization should apply only on UNIMARC
01:44 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9663 - Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission
01:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1062: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1062/
01:44 wizzyrea oh do tell
01:42 dcook Oohhh...Amazon covers are even more insidious than I thought..
01:26 oleonard See y'all in 12 hours :)
01:26 wizzyrea later
01:26 oleonard Speaking of kids, mine are out of the bath, gotta go
01:25 wizzyrea cool
01:25 wizzyrea "he makes me giggle" that's high praise.
01:25 rangi thats the plan ill sms you
01:25 wizzyrea hehe yea are you guys going to come?
01:24 rangi 'soren lives in newtown, he will be at the fair eh daddy? He makes me giggle' - kahu this morning
01:24 wizzyrea both bart and kahu.
01:23 wizzyrea gl :)
01:23 wizzyrea love that kid.
01:23 rangi ok time to stop pulling up useless stats and go get kahu from school
01:22 rangi 7118 Galen Charlton
01:22 rangi galen wins in there tho
01:22 bag [off] that is sooo wrong!
01:22 jcamins Nice!
01:22 rangi thats pretty sweet
01:22 rangi 355 Bart Jorgensen in t/
01:21 rangi [off] want someone to make a mess and then swan off with a bag of cash ... call 914 kados
01:21 bag that seems like a phone number 914 kados
01:21 rangi lars wins for xt
01:19 rangi 914 Joshua Ferraro
01:19 rangi yep
01:19 rangi me looks at the dreaded C4::Search
01:18 jcamins rangi: add -n to the end of the sort.
01:18 wizzyrea :)
01:18 jcamins That I will take credit for. :)
01:17 rangi you are the clear winner in there
01:17 rangi 1459 Jared Camins-Esakov in Koha/
01:17 rangi fun with git ;)
01:16 rangi im looking in opac/ now
01:16 rangi git ls-files C4/ | xargs -n1 -d'\n' -i git blame {} | perl -n -e '/\s\((.*?)\s[0-9]{4}/ && print "$1\n"' | sort -f | uniq -c -w3 | sort -r
01:15 rangi its cli madness
01:15 rangi heh
01:15 jcamins How did you do that?
01:15 jcamins Ha! Paul is responsible for more than me!
01:15 rangi 2428 Paul Poulain + 6580 tipaul
01:14 rangi 3264 Jared Camins-Esakov
01:14 jcamins Actually, I'm not surprised.
01:14 jcamins lol
01:14 rangi :)
01:14 rangi galen gets blamed for the most lines in C4/
01:14 rangi 10151 Galen Charlton
01:14 rangi oh this is interesting
01:10 jcamins That makes sense.
01:10 jcamins Oh, I bet it's about the Virtual Appliances that Kyle used to do.
01:10 dcook I suppose the LiveDvd..
01:10 dcook There is an existing VM image loaded up with Koha somewhere?
01:10 slef it was listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 but unassigned
01:09 jcamins I think so?
01:09 eythian I think that wiki page is totally unrelated
01:09 slef Is it a new role?
01:09 slef as in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment
01:08 slef I guess it's keeping the VM image up to date.
01:08 jcamins A potential volunteer wants to know what his duties would entail before telling the world he's interested in doing it.
01:08 jcamins slef: yeah.
01:08 slef jcamins: is this about roles for 3.14?
01:05 jcamins slef: to be honest, I haven't a clue. What VMs?
01:05 wizzyrea and it's unpleasant at best to unravel
01:05 wizzyrea i just know that larger libraries that heavily use transits get things hung up by that bug.
01:04 wizzyrea (do note, it's not catalyst that has been paid to do the work that is hung up by that bug)
01:04 wizzyrea needs fixing desperately too
01:04 wizzyrea oh yea, it needed eyes desperately
01:03 huginn 04Bug 9322: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , If multiple transfers exist (from circ/branchtransfers.pl), completing one completes them all
01:03 slef wizzyrea: took http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9322 to lists
01:02 wizzyrea wait what'd I do?
01:02 slef jcamins: manages viral monkeys. What did you think it does?
01:02 huginn slef: Quote #222: "jcamins: test patches, don't feed trolls." (added by druthb at 07:49 PM, December 07, 2012)
01:02 jcamins Hey... what _does_ the VM Manager do?
01:02 slef @quote random
01:02 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #234 added.
01:02 slef @quote add <oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado
01:01 slef wizzyrea++
01:00 oleonard I dunno.
01:00 jcamins It seems a bit later than usual for you.
01:00 jcamins oleonard: why are you online?
00:59 rangi everyone does (who reads the mailing list or is subscribed to the bug)
00:59 jcamins Yeah, it gets e-mailed to everyone watching the bug.
00:57 oleonard How does it fit into the process? The person who submitted the patch sees that there is a review?
00:56 rangi or only u can see them :)
00:56 rangi when you are done
00:56 rangi then go back to overview and hit publish
00:56 jcamins Thanks.
00:56 jcamins Cool!
00:56 jcamins Ah!
00:55 rangi double click on the line you want to comment on
00:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_3549' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fc65c47a1c40dde589ebc14c7d45f81b5438292> / Bug 3549 -[Revised]- Framework sorting in addbook <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=590c476f094546532cf521c3433693717f2738dd>
00:55 jcamins How do I leave a comment?
00:55 jcamins No I can't.
00:55 wizzyrea lolol
00:54 jcamins Ooh! I can use the splinter code review!
00:53 jcamins Oh.
00:53 oleonard No, but that's what I found! :)
00:52 jcamins oleonard: ... really?
00:52 dcook lol
00:52 oleonard I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado
00:52 jcamins Woohoo! I saved $0.29/lb on lentils today!
00:51 dcook oleonard: Yes, before that moment, I've been a huge fan of the Bootstrap additions :)
00:50 dcook I've seen weird caching before but this was different
00:50 dcook It was weird..
00:50 oleonard *whew*
00:49 jcamins lol
00:49 dcook oleonard++
00:49 eythian it was just the farce, nothing to worry about oleonard
00:49 dcook lol
00:49 dcook jcamins: Looks like it was caching :)
00:49 oleonard I sensed a disturbance in the Force...
00:49 wizzyrea god it's like he knows
00:49 wizzyrea they always look bad right at first.
00:49 wizzyrea oh yes definitely nuke your cache
00:49 jcamins I use Chrome on a Mac.
00:48 dcook Maybe it's a caching issue then..
00:48 jcamins I like 'em a lot!
00:48 jcamins dcook: really?
00:48 dcook Hmm. Some of these bootstrap changes look rather awful in Chrome..
00:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , Serials Claims should be exportable all at once
00:42 slef Changes submitted for bug 8740
00:42 dcook :S:
00:41 jcamins And it's a solid mass of text.
00:41 wahanui Interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:41 dcook Interesting
00:40 jcamins dcook: you end up with something that looks like Call number Branch Branch Call number Branch
00:40 dcook jcamins: How's that?
00:39 jcamins Yeah.
00:39 rangi ahh thats less than useful
00:39 jcamins But now you can't tell which library which item is at.
00:39 jcamins Well... it does sort by callnumber.
00:39 rangi i think it was just being able to sort by callnumber was the original goal
00:39 dcook Hmm
00:37 jcamins Wasn't the goal improved readability?
00:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add callnumber column to the cart
00:37 jcamins bug 9456
00:36 jcamins I am confused.
00:36 jcamins Okay...
00:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1062 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
00:35 * dcook will have to get on top of pushing up his number from 21
00:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9555' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e247af6723f17c76ec106f01314850337ab4e475> / Bug 9555: Template files contain single quote strings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f36ac484c91754bd490858089ea09f26cb3b11cf> / Merge branch 'bug_9669' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f0191e1
00:32 slef jcamins: hmm. "bugfixes recently pushed" would be a nice enh.
00:31 jcamins they might be.
00:31 jcamins Actually, wait...
00:31 jcamins slef: they won't be, because I prioritize bugfixes.
00:30 cait noooooo
00:30 rangi its pushed to my localbackups of course .. or i could just turn the dashboard server off if you would prefer?
00:30 slef jcamins: well, can we judge you on the datestamps in that column then? Give you a beer if all five are today? ;-)
00:30 wizzyrea !
00:29 slef rangi--
00:29 jcamins slef: since only one person is ever pushing things at a time, it doesn't really seem necessary.
00:29 slef dashboard source is https://gitorious.org/koha-dashboard
00:29 rangi i havent pushed to there in a little while so its out of date
00:29 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha-dashboard
00:29 slef or there should be a last N pushes or something
00:28 slef jcamins: shouldn't your name show up on "New features recently pushed" somehow? ;-)
00:28 dcook Mmm
00:28 wahanui po files are outdated
00:28 rangi dcook: po files
00:28 dcook Nearly 13 million lines of code, rangi?
00:28 rangi in gitorious
00:28 slef anyone know where?
00:28 slef dashboard source?
00:28 jcamins slef: true, but I shouldn't be showing well on any of those.
00:27 cait I wanted to catch nicole.. but life interfered
00:27 dcook Yeah, I have the dashboard up but some stats seem to be missing
00:27 slef http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise
00:26 jcamins http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html
00:26 dcook Where are those stats again?
00:25 jcamins I need to get another 350. :P
00:25 cait before colin does... he is in reach
00:25 cait i need to get 19 more commits
00:25 cait tss
00:25 jcamins cait: yes... that was me. :P
00:24 cait i think i fell down one
00:24 slef [off] hrmph... still a long way to go before I overtake the attribution thiefs
00:23 jcamins Hm... doesn't seem too likely that I'll be passing hdl.
00:23 eythian http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=567299698
00:22 * dcook just finished watching the youtube video
00:22 jcamins Oooh, have I caught up with anyone recently?
00:22 jcamins Thanks.
00:22 dcook Everyone really
00:22 dcook Amazing work since then guys :)
00:22 dcook Mmm, so jcamins and ethyian had their first commits in 2010, eh?
00:21 slef wizzyrea: it was 3 years old. That's like 21 years old in human years.
00:20 slef although it wasn't my first suggestion... using arch for 2.0.n>1 wasn't a great move
00:19 wizzyrea git wasn't very old in 2008 though
00:19 wizzyrea there there
00:19 * wizzyrea pats slef
00:19 * slef mumbles something about suggesting git long before that
00:19 rangi actually i didnt!
00:19 jcamins You didn't even get any nice t-shirts?
00:18 rangi that was about the one and only good thing that came out of my time at liblime
00:17 cait :)
00:16 wizzyrea oh so that's what was happening then :)
00:16 rangi 2007
00:16 wizzyrea when did koha transition to git?
00:12 wahanui 10 years of koha is probably at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec
00:12 wizzyrea 10 years of koha?
00:12 wizzyrea 10 years of koha is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec
00:12 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec
00:11 wizzyrea it shows
00:11 wizzyrea well where's the gource video
00:11 wizzyrea yea, french adoption I guess
00:10 dcook wizzyrea: that's really exciting :)
00:10 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot biblibre
00:10 wizzyrea forget biblibre
00:10 wizzyrea people becoming interested in the idea of an open ILS
00:10 wahanui hmmm... BibLibre is already doing something like this, so perhaps once this tool is complete, it would provide an easier method of maintaining the service you already provide
00:10 dcook BibLibre?
00:10 dcook What happened between 2006-2007?
00:10 wizzyrea more or less.
00:09 wizzyrea 2009-10 were waiting for people to get out of the way
00:09 dcook Mmm, all in the numbers, eh?
00:08 wizzyrea and that was huge
00:08 wizzyrea 2008 was 3.0
00:08 rangi end of 2010
00:08 rangi yep 2011 was when we got rid of the deadweight
00:08 jcamins There's a definite upward trend.
00:08 wizzyrea 2009-2010 were mired in conflict and strife.
00:08 dcook Well, actually, quite a few, but the biggest
00:08 dcook So 2008, 2011, 2012 have been big years
00:07 wizzyrea in the past tense even.
00:07 bag is feeling slow today
00:07 bag s/rans/runs
00:07 jcamins That would be why.
00:07 jcamins Oh.
00:06 jcamins at all.
00:06 jcamins Those numbers do not match up with mine...
00:06 bag rangi usually rans stats
00:06 rangi thats when the patches were authored, not when they were pushed (that one i posted)
00:06 jcamins Odd...
00:06 jcamins Cool! Thanks.
00:06 dcook hehe
00:06 jcamins Hey... I can make it 4th busiest!
00:06 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/activity.html#commits_by_year/month
00:05 jcamins I will leave that sort of statistics for someone else.
00:05 dcook Nice to see lots of Owen's changes going through to make the interfaces that much nicer :D
00:05 dcook How many are template changes, module changes, script changes
00:05 dcook I wonder what the breakdown for that is
00:04 dcook Wow..
00:04 jcamins Yup.
00:04 jcamins 5th busiest month in the last two years.
00:03 cait makes sense probably?
00:03 cait closer to release date...
00:03 cait hm
00:02 jcamins That makes this month the third-busiest month in the last twelve.
00:02 cait i was packing
00:02 cait it is
00:02 jcamins cait: isn't it kind of late?
00:01 cait cool
00:01 jcamins 238 patches pushed this month.
00:01 jcamins Wow.