Time  Nick         Message
23:52 dcook        allo bag :)
23:52 bag          heya dcook
23:52 dcook        Never a dull moment in #koha :p
23:52 dcook        lol
23:39 bag          !!!!
23:39 wahanui      Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
23:39 bag          be eythian
23:33 wizzyrea     LOL
23:33 wahanui      I read it on the internet!
23:33 wizzyrea     it's true.
23:33 wahanui      OK, eythian.
23:33 eythian      wahanui: wombats is <reply>wombats have cubic poo.
23:33 wahanui      OK, eythian.
23:33 eythian      wahanui: wombat is <reply>wombats have cubic poo.
23:32 wahanui      eythian: excuse me?
23:32 eythian      wahanui: wombat
22:10 wizzyrea     it's patron categories
22:10 wizzyrea     AHA
22:09 wizzyrea     I looked in the circ rules too
22:09 wizzyrea     hm I see rental fee
22:09 wahanui      Item types are used to define circulation rules, so you may want to keep them separate from search-related categorization
22:09 jcamins      Item types?
22:08 wizzyrea     hrm, where does one set the "reserve fee"
22:07 magnuse      hehe, nah, thought i'd save that for the next round ;-)
22:07 wizzyrea     hehe
22:07 cait         magnuse: you didn#t threaten to turn off their opac? :P
22:06 rangi        :)
22:05 magnuse      well, more suggested than asked, i hope :-)
22:03 magnuse      hehe, i did
22:03 rangi        yep they said you asked them to :)
22:03 magnuse      hey, Munkagård is one of my customers! so cool they sent a card! :-)
22:01 eythian      https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/sharemenot/ <-- related
21:59 eythian      and I have facebook tracking stuff blocked.
21:58 eythian      oh right, I don't get that at all, but I don't have bookface logged in here
21:58 jcamins      Yeah, I have all that blocked.
21:58 wahanui      it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:58 jcamins      Interesting.
21:58 wizzyrea     http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2471/selection060.png
21:57 bgkriegel    No, I see it in the main page
21:57 eythian      oh right
21:57 wizzyrea     I probably have a cookiees
21:57 rangi        to facebook i mean
21:57 eythian      are you logged in?
21:57 wizzyrea     oh possibly you hav eto be logged in
21:57 * eythian    looks for a browser without all my "block everything" plugins...
21:57 rangi        you probably have to be logged in ?
21:56 eythian      I don't see that at all...where is it?
21:56 wizzyrea     or selected folks.
21:56 wizzyrea     the pics of people who like the catalog
21:56 jcamins      Facebook thing?
21:55 wizzyrea     ^.^
21:55 wizzyrea     also the swedish word for "tweet" is awesome
21:54 wizzyrea     ok the facebook thing on there is simultaneously neat and ugly. I like the idea of it though
21:53 rangi        http://munkagard.bibkat.se/  <-- swedish one
21:44 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "2 more library cards for my #kohails wall, 1 from sweden and one from crawford county usa"
21:31 drojf        http://rt.com/news/vader-storms-justice-ukraine-493/
21:27 wizzyrea     yes that
21:26 drojf        dummkopf? :)
21:24 wizzyrea     is my favourite way to say that
21:24 wizzyrea     dumkopf
21:23 rangi        its just python being a dumb head
21:23 rangi        its probably totally valid
21:23 wizzyrea     if you can find it
21:23 wizzyrea     you could git commit --amend and get rid of the character
21:23 bgkriegel    ok, i'll attach it
21:23 bgkriegel    is a patch from biblibre
21:22 bgkriegel    it is
21:22 jcamins      o.O
21:22 rangi        and git bz cant handle it
21:22 rangi        yeah i suspect htere is a utf8 char in the commit message or something
21:22 bgkriegel    yes, of course
21:22 wizzyrea     then attach the file it generates
21:22 wizzyrea     with git format-patch origin
21:22 wizzyrea     i would just do that one by hand then
21:21 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot only this
21:21 wizzyrea     forget only this
21:21 bgkriegel    :)
21:21 wahanui      only this is probably a neverending story somehow
21:21 bgkriegel    only this
21:21 wizzyrea     well that's a new one. it does that for only one patch or all of them?
21:21 bgkriegel    have a problem with git bz
21:20 pastebot     "bgkriegel" at pasted "git bz error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/406
21:19 wizzyrea     bye!
21:18 oleonard     See you later #koha
21:16 rangi        but for special libraries, where the whole opac is behind the login, it might be useful
21:15 drojf        or, plan to do
21:15 rangi        since most ppl arent logged in
21:15 drojf        that is what i do with all privacy-relevant sysprefs :)
21:15 rangi        there's not much value in tracking it to a borrower, for a public library
21:15 drojf        but seriously, cool feature
21:15 rangi        it would be easy to check the syspref when a user logs in and say, external links are being tracked
21:15 drojf        i'll add it to mine. one day :)
21:14 rangi        send a patch :)
21:14 wahanui      niihau, eythian
21:14 eythian      hi
21:14 drojf        more privacy warnings needed :P
21:12 bgkriegel    now push for QA
21:12 bgkriegel    :)
21:12 rangi        bgkriegel++ # thanks for the sign off
20:35 rangi        cya magnuse
20:35 * magnuse    wanders off
20:34 magnuse      rangi++
20:33 jcamins      Yay!
20:32 rangi        im thinking i might add persona logins to staff side too next
20:31 cait         very interesting feature
20:31 cait         yep
20:31 rangi        yeah, albany have been using it for a while
20:31 bgkriegel    rangi: ok, is a nice feature
20:29 magnuse      kia ora rangi
20:29 rangi        hiya magnuse
20:29 * magnuse    waves
20:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha
20:29 rangi        hey cait
20:29 magnuse      bug 8917
20:29 cait         morning rangi
20:29 rangi        bgkriegel: ill do a fix for 8917 now
20:27 bgkriegel    hi cait.. Ok, i'll do that
20:27 cait         bgkriegel: sorry, no - maybe check for regressions and note that?
20:24 nengard      changing back to my other computer now that this is fixed - brb
20:24 bgkriegel    ah, was trying to test an enhancement from biblibre
20:23 nengard      cause you have to pay ? don't you?
20:22 nengard      I haven't
20:21 bgkriegel    has anyone tried Enhanced content from Babeltheque?
20:18 bgkriegel    well done :)
20:17 wizzyrea     so it's safer to populate those sysprefs
20:17 wizzyrea     it's probably a bug
20:16 wizzyrea     if you put in opac.css, it looks in the directory for the theme
20:16 wizzyrea     because that's what the defaults are
20:16 wizzyrea     and prog/en/opac.css
20:16 wizzyrea     that it was pointing to prog/en/colors.css
20:16 wizzyrea     if you had looked at the source, you probably would have seen
20:16 wizzyrea     but ty, glad it's working
20:16 wizzyrea     pft
20:16 nengard      so darn simple!!!
20:15 nengard      you get it twice :)
20:15 nengard      wizzyrea++
20:15 nengard      wizzyrea++
20:15 wizzyrea     yusss
20:15 nengard      That was it
20:15 nengard      HA
20:15 * wizzyrea   will illustrate one moment
20:15 wizzyrea     then it will work I think
20:15 wizzyrea     in the proper places
20:15 wizzyrea     colors.css and opac.css
20:14 wizzyrea     put in
20:14 jcamins      css files do not need to be executable.
20:14 nengard      they're all empty
20:14 wahanui      wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
20:14 wizzyrea     change it to colors.css
20:14 nengard      nothing
20:14 nengard      no
20:14 wizzyrea     you have a custom CSS file defined in the sysprefs?
20:14 nengard      OH?
20:14 wizzyrea     OH nengard
20:13 nengard      wizzyrea i did a fresh repo at the start of this ? wiped out the old one
20:13 nengard      no luck
20:12 pastebot     "nengard" at pasted "updated permissions" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/405
20:12 rangi        its gonna be one of those days
20:12 rangi        heh
20:12 rangi        [5~/ws 23
20:12 wizzyrea     ccsr was ok for me too
20:12 wizzyrea     fortunately I had just pushed the things I needed to.
20:11 bgkriegel    none of my files are executable, and ccsr is ok
20:11 * wizzyrea   accidentally wiped out her git repo yesterday too
20:10 wizzyrea     755 would do
20:10 nengard      :)
20:09 nengard      not like it can be hacked
20:09 nengard      since it's a VM anyway?
20:09 nengard      so change all files to 777
20:09 wizzyrea     maybe
20:09 wizzyrea     seems odd they're not executable
20:09 nengard      no errors
20:08 nengard      but if i view source and click on a css file it opens the code
20:08 nengard      firebug shows nothing in the console - nothing at all
20:08 pastebot     "nengard" at pasted "permissions" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/404
20:08 wizzyrea     but obv apache can read them because firebug says it can see them
20:07 wizzyrea     ccsr
20:07 nengard      the ccsr folder?
20:07 nengard      in which folder?
20:07 wizzyrea     ls -lah would show you
20:07 wizzyrea     ooh yes permissions
20:07 bgkriegel    file permissions?
20:07 wizzyrea     so not that then.
20:06 nengard      8% full :)
20:06 nengard      i'm A-OK on space
20:06 wizzyrea     in your vm
20:06 wizzyrea     df -h
20:06 nengard      i use virtualbox
20:06 nengard      hmm - how do i check disk space?
20:05 nengard      colors.css       hierarchy.css   mobile.css         print.css
20:05 nengard      babeltheque.css  datatables.css  jquery.rating.css  opac.css   sco.css
20:05 nengard      nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css$ ls
20:05 wizzyrea     that sounds like madness
20:05 wizzyrea     maybe you are out of disk space in your VM?
20:05 wizzyrea     just for fun.
20:05 nengard      yes - i seem to - i clicked on the link to the ccsr css and it opened the file
20:04 wizzyrea     did you restart apache in your vm?
20:04 nengard      but i just did a new pull fresh git
20:04 wizzyrea     do you have the ccsr files?
20:04 nengard      that's what i thought it was originally
20:04 nengard      and this is the computer i use for training/demoing - i use the other one for testings/signing off
20:04 bgkriegel    when I see somethng like this, there were missing files
20:04 nengard      it's a puzzler
20:04 nengard      yeah
20:04 bgkriegel    :(
20:03 nengard      it's still ugly
20:03 nengard      so that didn't help
20:03 nengard      i cleared my cache - but it was a problem in chrome and ff
20:03 nengard      if i change to prog everything is okay
20:02 wizzyrea     and if you flip it off everything is ok?
20:02 nengard      no
20:01 wizzyrea     nengard do you have a language enabled?
20:00 nengard      hang on phone ?
19:58 bgkriegel    Ctrl+Shift+Del in ff
19:57 bgkriegel    in any, try to delete history, not all, just clean the cache
19:57 wizzyrea     for kicks, restart apache in your vm?
19:57 nengard      it's the same in both
19:57 nengard      and chrome
19:56 nengard      installing ff update
19:56 tcohen       bye #koha
19:55 wizzyrea     but I"m not sure that exists.
19:55 nengard      ff
19:55 wizzyrea     no that's normal - somewhat telling is that it cna't find the ccsr favicon
19:55 bgkriegel    nengard: what browser are you using?
19:55 nengard      anyway, nothing out of the ordinary
19:55 pastebot     "nengard" at pasted "another paste" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/403
19:54 * tcohen     really hates those concatenation errors, he silently squashes those anytime hi sends a patch trying people not tu realise it
19:54 wizzyrea     i mean, I just didn't see the 14
19:54 wizzyrea     oh sorry you're right
19:54 nengard      2:17
19:54 nengard      14:17
19:54 nengard      2pm
19:54 wizzyrea     and it's not 7am
19:54 wizzyrea     it's not 7pm?
19:54 nengard      in the US :)
19:53 nengard      today is the 26th
19:53 wizzyrea     that stuff is normal and not even from today
19:53 pastebot     "nengard" at pasted "log" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/402
19:53 wizzyrea     no, go into the settings and clear it properly
19:53 nengard      s
19:53 nengard      wizzyrea i did shift-refresh ? many time
19:53 bgkriegel    many times
19:52 nengard      one sec
19:52 wizzyrea     did you clear your browser cache?
19:52 nengard      pasting
19:52 nengard      just didn't want to spam the chat :)
19:52 nengard      no
19:52 wizzyrea     that's normal.
19:52 bgkriegel    only line?
19:52 wizzyrea     naw
19:52 nengard      [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] [error] [client] [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /home/nengard/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 840., referer: http://kohavm/
19:51 wizzyrea     ^.^
19:51 wizzyrea     what does the awesome jar pay for?
19:51 wizzyrea     yusss
19:51 wahanui      That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea
19:51 wizzyrea     awesome.
19:51 nengard      found
19:50 wizzyrea     it'll be there.
19:50 wizzyrea     just ls around in there until you find it
19:50 wahanui      rumour has it something is wrong
19:50 wizzyrea     or something
19:50 wizzyrea     it's gonna be /home/nengard/koha-dev/log
19:50 nengard      yup ?.
19:50 wizzyrea     then your logs aren't there.
19:50 nengard      yes
19:50 nengard      sudo didn't do it
19:49 jcamins      nengard: you did a standard install from git?
19:49 nengard      nope
19:49 wizzyrea     yea because you need to sudo
19:49 nengard      tail: cannot open `/var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log' for reading: No such file or directory
19:49 bgkriegel    (if your logs are there)
19:48 bgkriegel    and reload
19:48 bgkriegel    try tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log
19:48 wizzyrea     clear the cache.
19:48 nengard      which is strange
19:48 nengard      at all
19:48 nengard      firebug says nothing
19:48 wizzyrea     firebug doesn't say you are missing something like mobile.css?
19:48 nengard      hmmm
19:48 tcohen       (just kidding)
19:48 tcohen       maybe a non-propietary OS?
19:48 nengard      from what directory?
19:48 nengard      bgkriegel what do i type to see that log?
19:47 bgkriegel    tcohen: ccsr is not behaving
19:47 nengard      tcohen when i'm using ccsr i see this: http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:46 tcohen       (evidence of it)
19:46 tcohen       what's the issue nengard?
19:46 bgkriegel    koha-opac-error_log
19:45 bgkriegel    can you see in your logs?
19:45 nengard      it's fine on my other computer i don't do anything except fetch and rebase daily
19:45 nengard      what the heck
19:44 nengard      well that didn't work
19:42 tcohen       git reset --hard origin/master
19:38 nengard      k re-cloning ? fingers crossed
19:34 bgkriegel    well, I rename kohaclone (o delete)
19:34 nengard      just figured that out :)
19:34 nengard      yup
19:34 oleonard     I would think you would have to delete kohaclone first
19:34 nengard      i don't have to delete anything first?
19:33 bgkriegel    the standard clone, git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone
19:32 nengard      ? like i will be tomorrow
19:32 nengard      i don't have anything special on here - i just use it when on the road doing demos
19:32 nengard      how can i pull down a fresh repo
19:30 gaetan_B     bye !
19:30 nengard      nothing special in there
19:29 nengard      they're all blank
19:29 nengard      hmm
19:27 oleonard     Custom CSS preference?
19:26 nengard      maybe it's a combo of prefs ? maybe it is a bug?
19:26 nengard      i assume it's the right css file
19:23 nengard      i see a css file
19:23 oleonard     What happens if you click that link in the view source window?
19:23 nengard      and more
19:23 nengard      <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css/opac.css" />
19:23 nengard      yes
19:22 nengard      i have the weirdest problems
19:22 oleonard     nengard: When you view source does it show that it's looking for files in /opac-tmpl/ccsr/" ?
19:22 nengard      no other instances running that i know of
19:22 nengard      and the server was restarted and it's still looking all wrong
19:22 nengard      git status is a-ok
19:21 nengard      hang on it's restarting
19:21 jcamins      nengard: and `git status` doesn't do something like tell you that every single CCSR file was removed, right?
19:21 cait         will have to check again later
19:20 nengard      it looks right with prog
19:20 * cait       was missing the icons on the homepage earlier today... thought it was that
19:20 nengard      and yes
19:20 nengard      shouldn't be - but let me kill the vm and start it again
19:20 oleonard     nengard: If you switch the opac theme to prog does it look correct?
19:20 nengard      hmmm
19:20 oleonard     More than one instance of Koha running?
19:20 nengard      how so?
19:19 oleonard     nengard: Maybe your browser is pointing at the wrong site?
19:19 nengard      http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:19 nengard      not the right thing to paste
19:19 nengard      HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master
19:19 nengard      and cait i'm having an issue with ccsr on one of my vms
19:19 nengard      could it be a vm thing?
19:19 nengard      just not my vm
19:19 nengard      interesting ? console shows stuff for other pages
19:19 cait         what are we missing? :)
19:18 nengard      this makes no sense
19:18 nengard      well the console is on the 'all' tab and there is nothing there
19:18 nengard      hmmm
19:18 oleonard     nengard: Firebug would show errors if there were missing assets (i.e. CSS files which were not where they should be)
19:17 cait         hi nengard and oleonard
19:17 nengard      hi cait
19:17 nengard      oleonard nothing ?
19:16 * cait       waves
19:16 oleonard     What does Firebug say in its console?
19:15 nengard      shift refresh like 5 times
19:15 oleonard     That's correct. Have you cleared your browser cache?
19:15 nengard      HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master
19:15 wahanui      oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
19:15 nengard      oleonard
19:15 nengard      jcamins i see the prog theme with the list and cart buttons in the top left like it's trying to do ccsr but can't  find the images/backgrounds etc
19:14 oleonard     What does git log say is the last commit?
19:14 jcamins      I can't view the screenshot.
19:14 nengard      not nope to jcamins :)
19:14 nengard      no changes
19:14 nengard      nope
19:14 jcamins      Could you summarize what you see?
19:14 oleonard     nengard: Are you on a branch with changes?
19:14 nengard      on my other computer (same vm set up) it looks a-ok so i know it's not a bug and it's a problem with my repo in some way
19:13 nengard      but when i use ccsr i see: http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:13 nengard      cause i did a fetch this morning
19:13 nengard      i did a fetch and there was nothing to fetch
19:12 jcamins      In that case either your remote is not called "origin" or you did not originally check out from git.k-c.org.
19:12 nengard      image coming
19:12 nengard      that didn't work
19:12 nengard      hmmm
19:11 jcamins      Morthland: yeah, if you have Koha on port 90 because, e.g, nginx is on port 80, set up a virtual host on port 80 that just forwards requests to port 90.
19:11 jcamins      Additional steps are necessary, obviously, if you want to do anything other than run master.
19:11 nengard      oleonard could be and so i'll try jcamins tips
19:10 jcamins      nengard: git fetch origin && git checkout origin/master
19:10 oleonard     nengard: Wouldn't that be a problem with your branch?
19:10 nengard      for some reason one of my Koha VMs isn't finding the ccsr files - any ideas on how to fetch them down from git?
19:09 Morthland    Reverse Proxy?
19:08 jcamins      Or use a reverse proxy setup, if there's a reason you can't serve Koha off of port 80.
19:08 jcamins      Rather than using a redirect, just point DNS to the Koha server.
19:07 jcamins      Morthland: oh, that makes it easy.
19:07 Morthland    I should go to apache IRC, I guess.
19:07 Morthland    I run our apache server.
19:05 * rangi      has to take the kids to school bbiab
19:03 rangi        ie no point doing a loop we dont have to
19:03 bgkriegel    ok. But you have no problem. What could be the difference?
19:02 rangi        but probably a better fix is to not check permissions when auth is not required
19:02 rangi        ill declare an empty one
19:02 rangi        ie, you dont declare the permissions needed, because none are needed
19:01 rangi        it does, but the authnotrequired overrides that anyway
19:00 jcamins      *at
19:00 jcamins      You need to get your IT folks to point opac.morthland.org to your Koha server.
19:00 Morthland    How can I change that so it shows opac.morthland.org/whatever/whatever.pl?
18:59 tcohen       heh jcamins oleonard
18:59 bgkriegel    there is something in your http server configuration
18:59 jcamins      You tell IT to fix it.
18:58 Morthland    but when you go there, it simply shows our IP address
18:58 jcamins      Right.
18:57 Morthland    I mean, our site is http://opac.morthland.org
18:57 jcamins      Morthland: hide the IP address?
18:57 Morthland    How do I hide the IP address?
18:56 oleonard     tcohen: An unlimited supply of "Koha bucks" which unfortunately are not redeemable for anything
18:56 jcamins      tcohen: that's part of the problem... there's no funding for anything.
18:55 tcohen       how many bucks do one gets for picking rmaint position?
18:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha
18:53 bgkriegel    rangi: Bug 8917, make any sense what I wrote?
18:50 bgkriegel    :)
18:50 * rangi      is gonna put his money where his mouth is
18:50 jcamins      Oh, you put yourself on the docket for QA! Awesome!
18:49 rangi        the better job they do, the easier everyone elses job is
18:49 jcamins      It definitely is.
18:49 rangi        qa is actually one of the most important roles
18:49 rangi        heh
18:48 * jcamins    will declare that his life is over May 22, thereby opening the way for someone else.
18:48 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
18:48 jcamins      oleonard: I did hear.
18:47 oleonard     jcamins: Didn't you hear? We've made it a lifetime appointment.
18:47 rangi        its just checking it doesnt bust the stable branch and is it a feature or not
18:47 rangi        its been signed off, qaed, checked by the release maintainer
18:47 jcamins      But after being RM, I would prefer not to run for anything.
18:47 rangi        by the time a patch gets to rmaint
18:47 rangi        its less than QA
18:47 jcamins      RMaint was fun. :)
18:46 bgkriegel    that's too much :)
18:46 rangi        i need someone to take over rmaint :)
18:40 jcamins      :D
18:39 bgkriegel    I was thinking about
18:38 bgkriegel    hehe
18:38 jcamins      bgkriegel: hello. I hope you are thinking of running for a position during the 3.14 release cycle? :)
18:35 Morthland    My IT ran an update.
18:35 Morthland    I figured it out.
18:35 Morthland    Yeah.
18:25 libsysguy    whatever you do
18:25 libsysguy    or edited one
18:24 libsysguy    Morthland you probably did an update to apache and the package maintainers version overwrote your symlinked one
18:23 * jcamins    wonders if paul_p is related to René Poulain, the wine expert.
18:14 Morthland    as is my ports.conf
18:13 Morthland    it would seem that apache2.conf is reset to a default.
18:13 Morthland    Hmm.
18:13 Morthland    My
18:10 kf           bye all
18:08 oleonard     Morthland: Go on...
18:02 Morthland    Hey all, My Koha started giving me this error this past weekend: Not Found  The requested URL / was not found on this server.
17:56 jcamins      One of those should bring you to the page with the jenkins script.
17:56 jcamins      Or "continuous integration."
17:56 tcohen       thx
17:56 jcamins      tcohen: search on the wiki for "jenkins"
17:55 tcohen       what jobs do jenkins do to check the status of koha sourcE? make? make test?
17:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Template files contain single quote strings
17:40 jcamins      Bug 9555 I think.
17:40 oleonard     Oh, for both. *sigh*
17:40 jcamins      calendar.inc.
17:40 oleonard     For which file?
17:39 jcamins      It's awaiting QA.
17:39 jcamins      oleonard: there's already a patch for that.
17:27 jcamins      Apparently not.
17:27 jcamins      Hm.
17:27 reiveune     bye
17:27 jenkins_koha Master_Packages: last build: 205 (1 day 22 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/205/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_master: last build: 1061 (1 day 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1061/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.8.x: last build: 27 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/27/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.10.x: last build: 29 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/29/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 299 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/299/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 278 (7 hr 46 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/278/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.6.x: last build: 76 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/76/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x(disabled) : last build: 80 (1 yr 0 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/80/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x(disabled) : last build: 36 (1 yr 2 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/36/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.10.x: last build: 72 (7 hr 9 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/72/
17:27 jenkins_koha 3_8_packages: last build: 201 (7 hr 9 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_8_packages/201/
17:27 jenkins_koha 3_6_Packages: last build: 32 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_6_Packages/32/
17:27 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
17:27 jcamins      !jenkins status
17:26 jcamins      Isn't he?
17:26 jcamins      oleonard: Jenkins should be yes.
17:26 oleonard     If I run "prove xt" and it fails because of the new single_quotes test, shouldn't Jenkins also be complaining?
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16:23 drojf        oops, i'm not working. i'll turn you all off so i can't see you
16:22 drojf        that sounds like something nasty
16:22 drojf        earspotting
16:21 jcamins      lol
16:21 oleonard     When they held Who hearings I heard your record on Who spottings was spotty
16:20 jcamins      oleonard: I don't know. It's a "spot" a Who was located... it could be a spotting.
16:20 nengard      what have i done??
16:20 nengard      oh boy
16:19 oleonard     jcamins: Then it would be a Who hearing not a Who spotting :P
16:19 nengard      hehe
16:19 jcamins      oleonard: you might hear them. :P
16:18 nengard      jcamins
16:18 nengard      can't type
16:18 nengard      i guess jcaming
16:18 oleonard     jcamins: How could you have a Who spotting when they are too small to see?
16:15 jcamins      nengard: they're looking for Horton spottings, not Who spottings?
16:05 kf           drojf: don't lose any pieces :)
16:04 kf           heh thx :)
16:04 * drojf      puts together the pieces of the kf puzzle
16:03 * kf         is still puzzled
16:03 kf           yep, file using the download option - broken, using the email functinality and the attached file - all good
16:03 jcamins      drojf: yeah, kind of weird diacritics for German.
16:02 drojf        those are not the diacritic names i would expect
16:02 jcamins      Or did last time I used it.
16:02 jcamins      drojf: it breaks the diacritics to {diacriticname}
16:02 jcamins      Ah.
16:02 kf           ok, now the relaly weird thing is: the file from the email works.
16:02 kf           jcamins: 3 records were processed in 0,093601 seconds.  Some records appear to be invalid and were processed using MarcEdit's loose breaking algorithem.  It's recommended that you use the MarcValidator to identify the invalid records
16:01 drojf        i dont remember it not showing diacritics
16:01 kf           sec
16:01 jcamins      Marcedit doesn't display diacritics.
16:01 jcamins      I see nothing wrong with that.
16:01 jcamins      What error does Marcedit give?
16:00 kf           it looks ok in koha... and I told it to be utf-8 I think
16:00 drojf        and the file is utf8?
16:00 drojf        but it looks ok in the file?
16:00 kf           while transforming the file. hm.
16:00 kf           also marcedit gives an error
15:59 kf           I am a bit puzzled and had hoped someone had seen it before
15:59 kf           nice umlauts in koha, but when I export from cart and use marcedit on the file I end up with those instead of the diacritics
15:59 jcamins      kf: ?
15:59 kf           [off] Innovationsf{under}rdernde Good-Practice-Ans{tilde}tze ?
15:56 drojf        very!
15:55 jcamins      But charming.
15:54 drojf        jcamins: sounds bizarre indeed
15:53 kf           exporting marc from the cart gives me problems with umlauts? *sigh*
15:53 kf           hm
15:52 jcamins      Maybe late nineteenth.
15:51 jcamins      It was written in the twentieth century.
15:49 drojf        how do you know it's a fake letter?
15:48 jcamins      Ah. Quite right. 1100.
15:48 jcamins      Charming and bizarre.
15:48 drojf        http://koha-community.org/koha-community-newsletter-january-2013/#turkey
15:48 jcamins      I have a book published in 1664 with a *fake* letter from the author to someone else dated 1650.
15:47 jcamins      o.O
15:46 drojf        0s don't count ;)
15:45 jcamins      drojf: well, I had the 1 and 2 right.
15:45 wahanui      not is, like, maybe removed from my search
15:45 drojf        or not?
15:45 kf           maybe we scared him/her away now :)
15:45 drojf        i think it was 1200 actually
15:45 drojf        allora: have you heard about that?
15:44 jcamins      I want to say I heard that something like 120 libraries are involved.
15:44 jcamins      drojf: there is, yes.
15:44 drojf        isn't there going to be this huge switch of public libraries to koha in turkey?
15:41 * kf         nods
15:41 jcamins      Right.
15:41 oleonard     In face we are all biased: Under no circumstances will we recommend that you choose "Liblime Koha"
15:40 jcamins      :)
15:40 jcamins      allora: I am biased, but it is my opinion that the best way to get a system that does what you want would be through the search rewrite.
15:38 drojf        hi tcohen
15:37 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
15:37 gmcharlt     @quote random
15:37 drojf        i should probably pay more attention to the linguistic aspects of koha
15:37 wahanui      Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
15:37 jcamins      Morning.
15:37 tcohen       morning #koha
15:36 jcamins      drojf: "stemming" is a bit of a misnomer in that case.
15:36 kf           and other like delhi public library use koha too with a lot of different scripts
15:36 kf           allora: if it's any help... we have search in hebrew for one of our supported libraries working, not stemming, but search itself seems to work well for them
15:35 drojf        stemming has to be turned off when you use icu anyway?
15:35 jcamins      kf: one of many things I proposed. :)
15:35 jcamins      allora: I know. That's why I proposed the search rewrite.
15:35 jcamins      kf: we don't do significant stemming.
15:35 allora       search is very complicated issue if you dial with many languages
15:34 jcamins      You could try LL Koha, but you can't get support from anyone other than LL.
15:34 kf           jcamins: what's the state of stemming in koha? I think something like lingua::snowball or similar was used?
15:32 allora       so, for international use cases solr is a big "requirement"
15:30 allora       stemming is key feature for me
15:30 kf           allora: translation no longer works there, even if you did it yourself, that's the problem
15:30 allora       i saw...
15:30 drojf        ha, i did not know that. although it is obvious when you think about it
15:30 kf           allora: here you can see the translations for koha: translate.koha-community.org
15:29 allora       but it is not problem for me
15:29 jcamins      LL Koha isn't translated.
15:29 jcamins      In that case, LL Koha isn't an option.
15:29 kf           dorgetliblime koha then.
15:29 allora       yeah, i need arabic and turkish interfaces
15:28 kf           allora: where are you located? will you need a translated interface?
15:28 allora       also solr is getting industry standart
15:27 kf           s
15:27 kf           allora: a reserve module has been in the works - bugzilla will know the current status, we have a quite strict qa proces
15:27 jcamins      A part also addresses Solr.
15:27 jcamins      Indeed, a part of the search rewrite addresses relevancy.
15:26 jcamins      Relevancy adjustments can be made with Zebra too, though.
15:26 jcamins      The faceting is better, though not as much better as everyone thinks.
15:25 jcamins      The stemming is definitely superior.
15:24 allora       its fast (as zebra), has rich facet search functionality, has stemming algor. for other languages and has field boosting
15:21 jcamins      And the Solr query syntax is probably not what you want.
15:21 jcamins      Why do you want to use Solr/Lucene?
15:20 drojf        http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=solr&go=Go
15:19 allora       you are right!
15:19 oleonard     We do not suggest that someone should do so
15:18 allora       i think luce based search is a big feature. So, i dont think someone can develop this feature for free :)
15:16 wahanui      it has been said that bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org
15:16 drojf        bug tracker?
15:16 drojf        also check the bug tracker, if somebody is working on it already
15:15 drojf        allora: if you plan to add functionality it is good practice to put a request for comments on the wiki, or discuss it on the developer mailing list. at least if it is a bigger feature. that way you might get useful input on how to make it useful for everyone
15:11 drojf        that is how free and open source software works :)
15:11 drojf        yes. all functionality you see in koha now was contributed by someone
15:11 allora       ok
15:11 allora       you mean, if you like functionality you can add it global koha distros, right?
15:10 drojf        what oleonard says. think "develop for koha", not "develop for me". if the feature can be generalized so it is useful for others too, you can get it into the koha codebase and it is automatically there in upgrades too. if you choose to not contribute but keep it a local change, you will have to adjust it to every upgrade you do
15:08 oleonard     If you pay someone to add functionality to Koha, you should require that they submit it to the Koha project for inclusion, and see it through
15:07 allora       next question... if someone/company develops a custom module for my koha version, is there any problem when i need to upgrade koha version?
15:03 drojf        i think you have to speak to jcamins about details :)
15:03 allora       if i pay for this next distro will contain solr?
15:02 drojf        that is development time, not estimated time of arrival though
15:02 allora       :)
15:01 allora       ii. Solr query syntax	Up to 6,000	2-4 weeks
15:01 oleonard     allora: You get none of the advantages of Open Source if you choose "Liblime Koha"
15:00 oleonard     allora: Koha is developed and supported by support companies all over the world. It is contributed to by developers all over the world. "Liblime Koha" is supported by only one company and has no outside contributors.
15:00 drojf        some people are working on solr integration
15:00 drojf        ^^ there is some info about future devekopments regarding search in koha
14:59 wahanui      hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
14:59 drojf        search rewrite?
14:58 drojf        well. if you want to be able to work with and/or get support from the community and use a free and open source software product, you should use koha
14:58 allora       any documents show development road map? for example will u develop lucene based search or cource reverve module?
14:57 allora       i need to take a choose, so i have to ask
14:55 oleonard     Why do you ask allora?
14:55 allora       alright
14:55 allora       yeah, right... :)
14:55 drojf        only liblime and their customers know what is in there i guess
14:54 oleonard     allora: Koha and "Liblime Koha" diverged several versions ago, so I assume they're quite different by now
14:53 oleonard     Not that the community produces
14:53 allora       is there any documents describe smilarity and defferences about community and liblime edition?
14:52 oleonard     Hi allora
14:52 allora       Hi community ;)
14:48 kf           hm that's werid
14:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9685 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Allow sort baskets by number
14:34 oleonard     I found it used in the patch for Bug 9685
14:34 Dyrcona      people who know how to use their compose key?
14:33 drojf        typography people :D
14:32 kf           hm
14:32 kf           and who does use it now?
14:22 drojf        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numero_sign
14:22 * oleonard   won't worry about it
14:22 kf           koha language confusion :)
14:22 oleonard     It's not that it doesn't make sense to me, it just looks odd
14:21 drojf        i thought it is british
14:21 kf           didn't know that :)
14:21 oleonard     Apparently
14:20 kf           so N° is french?
14:19 kf           may end up translates as no
14:19 kf           it could be
14:19 oleonard     We use "No." elsewhere, but never by itself (which would be confusing for translations)
14:18 kf           I could translate it to Nr. in German I guess
14:17 kf           hm I think if it's translatable maybe not a problem?
14:17 oleonard     I'm not sure what the alternative is, but it's not comfortable to my American eyes anyway
14:17 oleonard     Didn't we previously replace use of "N°" used to mean "number?" http://screencast.com/t/RLZYNO5l
14:15 kf           bgkriegel++ :)
14:08 nengard      not me bernardo fixed it :)
14:07 nengard      :)
14:07 oleonard     Hooray!
14:07 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #299: FIXED in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/299/
14:07 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #299 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 10 mo ago)
14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #29: FIXED in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/29/
14:06 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #27: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/27/
14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #29 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
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10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9655 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
10:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
10:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9655 - Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:59 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches
10:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #72: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/72/
10:53 BobB         Scroll down to 1.15
10:52 BobB         http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/administration.html#staffprefs
10:52 BobB         mib_n23e2u: Have you read the manual?
10:24 mib_n23e2u   anybody
10:24 mib_n23e2u   ??
10:24 mib_n23e2u   how to customize intranet interface.
10:23 wahanui      niihau, mib_n23e2u
10:23 mib_n23e2u   hello
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10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
10:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #72 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
10:18 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
10:18 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
10:18 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
10:18 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
10:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #278: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/278/
09:41 kf           hm i got a question for duplicate checking call numbers
09:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #278 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
09:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
09:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
09:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
09:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
09:40 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
09:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #71: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/71/
09:34 dcook        all right, night #koha
09:29 * dcook      thinks that he is too sleepy at this point
09:28 dcook        Yep...when I reindex on master, no problems
09:23 kf           oh
09:22 * dcook      facepalm
09:22 dcook        Ahh...I wonder if it's because I'm on an old branch..
09:22 dcook        Hmm, I remember seeing that recently too
09:21 kf           I haven#t used it yet, but I think it's in the same directory as the rebuild_zebra script
09:21 kf           slice... something
09:21 kf           there is a new script to find bad records
09:20 dcook        Must be a bad xml record somewhere in there..
09:20 dcook        Well, no error messages
09:20 dcook        Yep, no problem without the x
09:15 kf           wonder if it would work without the x... but you would still have to fix it somewhow
09:15 dcook        It was indexing just fine a few weeks ago, and I don't think I've added anything...(this is just my dev install)
09:15 dcook        Then I tried the same but with -r instead of -z just to try to start over
09:15 dcook        rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -z
09:14 kf           what command did you use for indexing?
09:14 kf           hm
09:14 dcook        With 8184 biblios, that's a lot of possibilities..
09:13 dcook        19:47:45-26/02 zebraidx(3149) [warn] extract error: generic
09:13 dcook        ^
09:13 dcook        <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
09:13 dcook        Entity: line 248: parser error : XML declaration allowed only at the start of the document
09:13 drojf        good morning #koha
09:13 kf           what is your error?
09:13 dcook        Hmm, any tips on troubleshooting this indexing error?
09:12 wahanui      hello, gaetan_B
09:12 gaetan_B     hello
09:05 rangi        neither do they :)
09:04 kf           I guess explaining it would not make it easier... and I have no idea what he/she is trying to do
09:04 kf           me neither
09:04 kf           rangi: aaaw
09:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #71 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
09:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #277: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/277/
09:00 * magnuse    has tried +42 - not fun!
08:59 rangi        im not touching that email
08:57 cjh          wow 37 degrees, that is a bit too warm.
08:29 francharb    :)
08:28 dcook        wb, francharb
08:24 christophe_c hi dcook
08:24 dcook        Although +43 back in January wasn't as bad as I thought it would be..
08:23 dcook        And I was complaining about the heat earlier in the day...I would've melted in Perth
08:23 francharb    ahahah
08:23 dcook        Teleportation would be sweet, but dear god Perth..
08:23 dcook        Whoa..
08:22 francharb    ;)
08:22 * francharb  cant wait for teleportation
08:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #277 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:22 * rangi      has to go to perth next week
08:22 magnuse      too hot!
08:22 rangi        thats stupid!!
08:22 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Perth, Western Australia is 37.0°C (4:00 PM WST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:22 rangi        @wunder perth, australia
08:21 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (7:00 PM EST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:21 dcook        @wunder Sydney, Australia
08:21 huginn       francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:21 francharb    @wunder lyon france
08:20 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
08:20 rangi        @wunder nzwn
08:20 francharb    hello rangi kf
08:20 kf           hi rangi and francharb
08:20 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -2.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
08:20 kf           @wunder Konstanz
08:20 rangi        hi francharb and kf
08:20 kf           hi #koha
08:17 francharb    ;)
08:17 francharb    0/ dcook
08:16 dcook        O_o
08:15 wahanui      francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
08:15 dcook        hey francharb
08:15 francharb    hello
08:14 dcook        salut, christophe_c
08:11 christophe_c hi rangi
08:10 rangi        hi christophe_c
08:09 christophe_c hello all
07:48 cait         the weather in marseille :)
07:45 dcook        Hmm?
07:43 magnuse      patches welcome!
07:42 magnuse      yup!
07:39 cait         magnuse: hope they fix that before we get there
07:34 magnuse      yikes!
07:34 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
07:34 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:34 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.2°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse      @wunder konstanz
07:34 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:34 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:34 * magnuse    waves
07:27 alex_a       bonjour
07:19 wahanui      niihau, reiveune
07:19 reiveune     hello
06:29 dcook        hey cait :)
06:29 cait         hi dcook
06:28 dcook        Not sure why Chrome's find decided to jerk me around there..
06:27 dcook        Oh wait, there it is
06:27 * dcook      isn't seeing it in updatedatabase though...
06:27 dcook        Does anyone know if "coded_location_qualifier" was added to the items table recently? It doesn't show up in schema spy and I just notice it in my dev install...
06:18 cjh          hehe no biggy if you don't, if it isn't a big deal for you then you can just ignore it :)
06:18 mtj          (i'll attempt to come up with a theory for you)
06:17 mtj          hmm, ill take a better look at my git thing a bit later, will keep you posted cjh
06:16 mtj          hi cait
06:15 cjh          mtj: you can set up git to have multiple remotes if you want, so I have our local mirror as well as a remote for upsteam.
06:15 mtj          cjh, repo updated every day from kc.org, via cron
06:15 mtj          so, my local mirror repo prolly has the glitch there…
06:15 cait         :)
06:14 cjh          morning/afternoon cait \o
06:14 * cait       waves
06:14 cjh          and how up-to-date is your local mirror?
06:14 mtj          its pulling from a local mirror of kc.org (to save bandwidth)
06:14 cjh          success?
06:13 mtj          hmmm, well its not actually :/
06:13 cjh          you can also use `git remote -vv` to check your remotes, im wondering if maybe your git fetch isnt pulling from koha-community.
06:12 mtj          yep, thanks for 'git show' tip , its a new one for me :)
06:11 cjh          a clone is probably your best bet (simplest and quickest)
06:11 cjh          that shouldnt be needed, I am really interested now :D
06:10 mtj          im not *that* curious :p
06:10 mtj          ...but i'll prolly just re-clone, rather than attempt to fix it
06:10 mtj          i could rm/add my 'origin' repo, to force a refresh of those tags, perhaps....
06:09 mtj          yes, i seem to be
06:08 mtj          np, its not a critial dev repo here, just a tmp repo
06:08 cjh          hmm --tags should get them all, are you sure you are looking at the right remote?
06:07 mtj          yep, still borked
06:06 cjh          did you try a git fetch --tags and then try a show again?
06:06 mtj          ok ok… so its still my local repo is futzed somehow :) all good
06:05 cjh          for me it is bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03 (like you expected it to be)
06:05 cjh          your git show is: 1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa
06:05 cjh          yeah, your local tag doesnt match the remote tag.
06:05 mtj          weird, for me…. i still get the wrong/parent commit, not the one i expect
06:04 mtj          thanks cjh
06:04 pastebot     "mtj" at pasted "git show" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/401
06:03 cjh          could try a `git fetch --tags` to get it to fetch all tags.
06:03 cjh          well, attached to any branches which you are fetching (default: all)
06:02 cjh          although (unless you have configured otherwise), a pull or fetch should get/update any tags that are still attached to branches.
06:01 cjh          it is possible that you have moved the tag in your local copy, or that the tag has changed since.
06:01 cjh          mtj: git show v3.08.06
04:36 dcook        No worries, mtj. Always good to have another perspective :)
04:35 mtj          thanks for the brain-slap dcook :)
04:30 mtj          im going for a re-clone
04:29 dcook        It does seem rather bizarre
04:28 mtj          im happy to click that its just my problem
04:28 mtj          HEAD is now at 1d5c2c4 Merge remote-tracking branch 'tamil/3.8.6-translate' into 3.8.x
04:28 mtj          mason@build64:~/git/koha$ git reset --hard v3.08.06
04:27 mtj          ah ok, so … only me then
04:27 dcook        That's definitely what I get when I run the same git command you provided
04:26 dcook        So bd5bb85 is the expected commit?
04:25 * dcook      takes a gander
04:24 mtj          any ideas what im doing worng?
04:22 mtj          1d5c2c4 is bd5bb85's  parent commit… weird?!
04:22 mtj          yet a 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' resets my repo to  1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa
04:20 mtj          http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=tag;h=refs/tags/v3.08.06
04:20 mtj          the expected commit is… afaict bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03
04:19 mtj          why does git not reset my repo to the expected commit, but sets it to its  parent?
04:18 mtj          if i reset my koha repo to the v3.08.06 tag, with 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' ...
04:17 mtj          hi all, i've got a weird git question….
03:48 wizzyrea1    http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Blog/BlogEntry201109x2 something like this
03:47 cjh          you done broke it good.
03:46 wizzyrea1    IRC has gone mad.
03:45 Guest257     what about backgrounding it?
03:45 eythian      a persistent ajax-y thing would perhaps be better.
03:45 eythian      but reverse proxies and such make it harder.
03:45 eythian      probably
03:44 wizzyrea     (I haven't looked) can you set a default timeout for a specific page in your apache config?
03:43 eythian      If it takes more than, say, 60 seconds, suggest that it be exported by default.
03:43 wizzyrea     but.. impossible things don't have to be impossible forever :P
03:43 eythian      Well, I think timing it and suggesting that it not be displayed on future runs could be useful.
03:43 wizzyrea     mostly because I don't know if that's actually possible.
03:43 wizzyrea     like... check to see how long it's been with no response? I'm not saying I have an actual way of doing it in mind
03:42 rangi        yeah thats apache and/or your browser
03:42 eythian      It's largely outside the control of perl
03:42 rangi        what timeout?
03:42 wizzyrea     could we make the timeout smarter on that page?
03:41 rangi        nope but if htey do, they wont know its gonna take ages so wont check the checkbox
03:41 wizzyrea     that's not going to stop people trying ^.^
03:40 rangi        some things are just dumb to try and do in a single sql statement too
03:39 eythian      though I haven't attempted to tune the mysql params for it
03:39 eythian      my report isn't using the query cache, anyway
03:39 eythian      not if it's an operation on the stats table, I suspect that there are too many rows to cache
03:39 wizzyrea     pretty likely on things like items or statistics
03:38 rangi        unless someone has done an insert between pages
03:38 rangi        if you have a decent cache on mysql it will be fast
03:38 eythian      as it'll rerun the query for each page.
03:38 eythian      also, if it's a slow one, paging is useless anyway.
03:37 rangi        dcook: it does but you can override it .. in which case, its your own fault
03:37 wizzyrea     unless you put a limit = more than 10k
03:37 wizzyrea     by default yea
03:37 cjh          wizzyrea: you still cant tell how big is it until it's run, and by then it's too late.
03:37 wizzyrea     and said "are you sure you want to run this it may be resource intensive"
03:37 dcook        wizzyrea: Doesn't the guided reports script have a cap of something like 10,000 results? It's been a while since I looked but I thought I saw that once
03:37 wizzyrea     what if you stopped if the count was over a certain amount?
03:37 eythian      I think perhaps a checkbox "I expect this report to be slow" and in that case it does it with a one-pass, or an option to only export it to CSV.
03:37 rangi        at least thats what it used to do
03:36 rangi        yup
03:36 cjh          I meant, insert the count(*) into the query, but I guess that could cause issues.
03:35 rangi        then it runs a query to get the actual results
03:35 rangi        the count(*) is what happens cjh
03:35 eythian      Well, you don't know how many results there will be until it's run
03:35 cjh          is there a reason you cant either count(*) or count the number of results?
03:35 wizzyrea     at least not offer to page a query that has 64000 results
03:34 rangi        how would you get the count?
03:34 eythian      well, it pages for you. That's great, but I think running the query twice is perhaps not optimal.
03:34 wizzyrea     or "just download the results"
03:33 wizzyrea     "this report is going to return a lot of shit - are you sure you want to run it"
03:33 wizzyrea     speaking of - there ought to be a catch for that
03:33 wizzyrea     does it time out?
03:32 wizzyrea     yea, that definitely explains some things about behaviour I've seen out of the reports module
03:32 eythian      especially when I have a report that takes over a minute to run once.
03:31 wizzyrea     hm yes that does seem not good.
03:31 cjh          :o
03:31 eythian      first to get the first 20 values, the second to get the count
03:30 wizzyrea     how so
03:30 cjh          runs reports twice?
03:30 eythian      it seems really bad that Koha runs reports twice
03:19 mtompset     Well, time to try to accomplish everything that still won't get done. Have a good day (24 hour period).
03:06 * wizzyrea   giggles
03:03 eythian      the little temperature thing on my computer shows it in red when it reaches that.
03:03 wizzyrea     24 really.
02:53 * wahanui    blesses crap
02:53 eythian      wahanui: holy crap
02:52 wahanui      OK, eythian.
02:52 eythian      wahanui: holy crap is <action>blesses crap
02:52 trea         o.O
02:52 eythian      holy crap
02:52 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 24.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
02:52 eythian      @wunder nzwn
02:41 bag          freedom!
02:09 rangi        and free
02:09 rangi        http://www.museumswellington.org.nz/museum-of-wellington-city-and-sea/
02:09 rangi        heh its really good
02:08 cjh          one step further, i've never heard of it :>
02:08 eythian      I should do so some time
02:08 eythian      neither have I
02:08 wizzyrea     i haven't been there yet either
02:07 wizzyrea     yes. that must happen.
02:07 wizzyrea     A!
02:07 rangi        you should go to the museum of city and sea with spud they have a movie about it
02:07 wizzyrea     (i've only read it to spud a gazillion times now)
02:06 wizzyrea     the book we have has a map in it :)
02:06 wizzyrea     but no map there
02:04 wizzyrea     aw wikipedia spells it wrong!
02:04 wizzyrea     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Whanganui-a-Tara
02:03 wizzyrea     i do actually
02:03 mtompset     you have the map? ;)
01:54 wizzyrea     "according to legend"
01:54 * wizzyrea   actually knows where that is
01:53 wizzyrea     so close >.<
01:53 rangi        close tho :)
01:53 rangi        whaitaitai
01:53 wizzyrea     there's probably a spelling problem there.
01:53 wizzyrea     probably somewhere near the bones of whataitai
01:52 * mtompset   nods.
01:52 wizzyrea     but it's STILL FUNNY.
01:52 wizzyrea     lol.
01:51 rangi        or at least catalysts involvment in koha
01:51 rangi        predates catalyst :)
01:50 trea         some say wahanui was discovered when they broke ground on the construction of the catalyst building back in the early 20th century. some say his true purpose is to list the nine billion names of god, or perhaps to iteratively perfect the ultimate fudge recipe. nobody really knows.
01:49 mtompset     It worked in my mind. :P
01:48 eythian      mtompset: also you're having a cause-and-effect reversal, as papa said that before your comment.
01:48 mtompset     Not to mention he interrupted the line with Lucy Ricardo?
01:48 mtompset     And it is hard to get if you aren't following the context well.
01:47 mtompset     But papa didn't, "I'm stupefied"
01:47 * wizzyrea   totally got it
01:46 mtompset     No, no... eythian is keeping his baby (bad/confusing joke). :P
01:46 wahanui      Since Mon Feb  4 20:59:50 2013, there have been 758 modifications and 280 questions.  I have been awake for 21 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, 0 seconds this session, and currently reference 26222 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
01:46 eythian      wahanui: status
01:46 eythian      like the excuses plugin
01:46 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
01:46 wizzyrea     the first question?
01:46 eythian      it has a zippy plugin
01:46 wizzyrea     or
01:46 wahanui      documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
01:46 wizzyrea     documentation?
01:46 eythian      papa: it's always been there, I just discovered it.
01:46 papa         or sell carpets...
01:46 wizzyrea     or
01:45 wahanui      it has been said that reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
01:45 wizzyrea     reports library?
01:45 wizzyrea     so we can do things like
01:45 * wizzyrea   innocently looks at eythian
01:45 papa         and with what purpose I may ask...
01:45 papa         so who built that wahanui?
01:43 papa         I'm not a baby...
01:42 eythian      mtompset: annoyingly he doesn't, I was waiting on a chance to pull that line out for years and never had a chance
01:42 mtompset     papa, don't preach... he's in trouble deep. ;)
01:42 papa         I'm stupefied
01:41 eythian      papa: ^
01:41 eythian      <wahanui> Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
01:41 papa         eh??
01:41 eythian      papa: did you get your used carpet?
01:40 wahanui      INSIDE, I have the same personality disorder as LUCY RICARDO!!
01:40 eythian      wahanui: be zippy
01:40 wahanui      Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
01:40 eythian      wahanui: be zippy
01:40 mtompset     Okay. I thought they might be a regular here. :)
01:39 eythian      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippy_the_Pinhead <-- mtompset
01:38 wizzyrea     naw, only people who are predictable get be'd
01:38 mtompset     zippy?
01:38 mtompset     who is zippy?
01:36 wahanui      HATE it.  I LIKE it.  I HATE it.  I LIKE it.  I HATE it.  I LIKE ... EMOTIONS are SWEEPING over me!!
01:36 eythian      wahanui: be zippy
01:35 bgkriegel    Good bye
01:34 mtompset     I guess only the important people get "be"d. ;)
01:34 mtompset     be kf
01:34 mtompset     be cait
01:33 mtompset     be libsysguy
01:32 * mtompset   laughs.
01:32 wahanui      let's get rid of marc while we're at it!
01:32 mtompset     be magnuse
01:32 * mtompset   smirks.
01:31 wahanui      Look at me! I'm a bot!
01:31 eythian      be wahanui
01:31 mtompset     be wahanui
01:31 mtompset     be logbot
01:30 wahanui      Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
01:30 mtompset     be eythian
01:30 wizzyrea     i think it's funny
01:30 wizzyrea     :)
01:30 mtompset     Ouch!
01:30 wahanui      do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
01:30 mtompset     be wizzyrea
01:30 wahanui      do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
01:30 mtompset     be wizzyrea
01:30 mtompset     be oleonard
01:30 wahanui      Have some fudge.
01:30 mtompset     be jcamins
01:30 wahanui      Have some fudge.
01:30 mtompset     be jcamins
01:30 mtompset     be drojf
01:29 wahanui      eythian: We're upgrading /dev/null
01:29 eythian      excuse
01:29 eythian      you can always add more if you need.
01:26 wizzyrea     ;)
01:26 wizzyrea     only 2
01:26 mtompset     How many 'be rangi' phrases are there?
01:25 wizzyrea     there we go
01:25 cjh          heh
01:25 wahanui      Send a patch!
01:25 wizzyrea     be rangi
01:25 wahanui      There's a bug for that
01:25 wizzyrea     be rangi
01:24 mtompset     Also, the phrase in the drop down should match with the description (If you "do merge"...)
01:19 mtompset     I agree. It makes it confusing.
01:17 wizzyrea     do or do not. There is no try
01:17 * eythian    is opposed to preferences expressed in the negative.
01:15 * jcamins    leaves
01:15 mtompset     AH... this is another case of backwards naming that confuses people.
01:14 mtompset     Is your dontmerge set to "Do"?
01:14 jcamins_     Never.
01:13 mtompset     so you have never played with merge_authority.pl in the cronjob?
01:13 jcamins_     I don't know anything about dontmerge.
01:13 jcamins_     Oh.
01:13 jcamins_     Routing changed?
01:13 eythian      it's a config file, so if there are changes, you'll be asked how you want to install them.
01:13 wahanui      the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:13 jcamins_     What's the question?
01:13 wahanui      no it's not.
01:13 mtompset     Let's ask jcamins. He knows everything. ;)
01:13 eythian      that's right
01:12 wizzyrea     eythian ^^
01:12 wizzyrea     nothing in etc gets nuked afaik
01:11 mtompset     So let's say I tweak this file koha-common ... won't an upgrade clobber the change?
01:10 wizzyrea     yes, probably wise
01:09 mtompset     -- going to play with our QA system first. :)
01:09 mtompset     but from what you've just told me, there's another step I need to do.
01:09 bgkriegel    i think /etc/cron.d/koha-common
01:09 mtompset     we got nice stock install.
01:08 mtompset     packages, of course!
01:08 wizzyrea     how did you install koha?
01:08 mtompset     Ah... okay... so, which cron file to edit? :)
01:07 wizzyrea     in cron, yes :)
01:07 bgkriegel    on cron
01:07 wizzyrea     no, it will not be enabled by default - you would have to turn it on.
01:06 mtompset     right, so is the merge_authority.pl cronjob started by default? Or did I misunderstand what it is saying.
01:06 bgkriegel    by default is off
01:06 mtompset     I'm trying to figure out if I should enable a merge_authority.pl cronjob. :P
01:05 mtompset     What does that last sentence mean for a default installation?
01:05 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
01:05 wizzyrea     the first question
01:05 mtompset     dontmerge {dont/do}	automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authority.pl cronjob.
01:05 bgkriegel    :)
01:05 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
01:05 wizzyrea     @quote get 145
01:04 huginn       wizzyrea: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..."
01:04 wizzyrea     @more
01:04 huginn       wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message)
01:04 wizzyrea     @quote search ask
01:04 wahanui      i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:04 bgkriegel    what's the question?
01:03 mtompset     I have a question about the "dontmerge" system preference.
01:02 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.