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23:52 dcook allo bag :)
23:52 bag heya dcook
23:52 dcook Never a dull moment in #koha :p
23:52 dcook lol
23:39 bag !!!!
23:39 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
23:39 bag be eythian
23:33 wizzyrea LOL
23:33 wahanui I read it on the internet!
23:33 wizzyrea it's true.
23:33 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:33 eythian wahanui: wombats is <reply>wombats have cubic poo.
23:33 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:33 eythian wahanui: wombat is <reply>wombats have cubic poo.
23:32 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
23:32 eythian wahanui: wombat
22:10 wizzyrea it's patron categories
22:10 wizzyrea AHA
22:09 wizzyrea I looked in the circ rules too
22:09 wizzyrea hm I see rental fee
22:09 wahanui Item types are used to define circulation rules, so you may want to keep them separate from search-related categorization
22:09 jcamins Item types?
22:08 wizzyrea hrm, where does one set the "reserve fee"
22:07 magnuse hehe, nah, thought i'd save that for the next round ;-)
22:07 wizzyrea hehe
22:07 cait magnuse: you didn#t threaten to turn off their opac? :P
22:06 rangi :)
22:05 magnuse well, more suggested than asked, i hope :-)
22:03 magnuse hehe, i did
22:03 rangi yep they said you asked them to :)
22:03 magnuse hey, Munkagård is one of my customers! so cool they sent a card! :-)
22:01 eythian https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/sharemenot/ <-- related
21:59 eythian and I have facebook tracking stuff blocked.
21:58 eythian oh right, I don't get that at all, but I don't have bookface logged in here
21:58 jcamins Yeah, I have all that blocked.
21:58 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:58 jcamins Interesting.
21:58 wizzyrea http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2471/selection060.png
21:57 bgkriegel No, I see it in the main page
21:57 eythian oh right
21:57 wizzyrea I probably have a cookiees
21:57 rangi to facebook i mean
21:57 eythian are you logged in?
21:57 wizzyrea oh possibly you hav eto be logged in
21:57 * eythian looks for a browser without all my "block everything" plugins...
21:57 rangi you probably have to be logged in ?
21:56 eythian I don't see that at all...where is it?
21:56 wizzyrea or selected folks.
21:56 wizzyrea the pics of people who like the catalog
21:56 jcamins Facebook thing?
21:55 wizzyrea ^.^
21:55 wizzyrea also the swedish word for "tweet" is awesome
21:54 wizzyrea ok the facebook thing on there is simultaneously neat and ugly. I like the idea of it though
21:53 rangi http://munkagard.bibkat.se/ <-- swedish one
21:44 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "2 more library cards for my #kohails wall, 1 from sweden and one from crawford county usa"
21:31 drojf http://rt.com/news/vader-storms-justice-ukraine-493/
21:27 wizzyrea yes that
21:26 drojf dummkopf? :)
21:24 wizzyrea is my favourite way to say that
21:24 wizzyrea dumkopf
21:23 rangi its just python being a dumb head
21:23 rangi its probably totally valid
21:23 wizzyrea if you can find it
21:23 wizzyrea you could git commit --amend and get rid of the character
21:23 bgkriegel ok, i'll attach it
21:23 bgkriegel is a patch from biblibre
21:22 bgkriegel it is
21:22 jcamins o.O
21:22 rangi and git bz cant handle it
21:22 rangi yeah i suspect htere is a utf8 char in the commit message or something
21:22 bgkriegel yes, of course
21:22 wizzyrea then attach the file it generates
21:22 wizzyrea with git format-patch origin
21:22 wizzyrea i would just do that one by hand then
21:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot only this
21:21 wizzyrea forget only this
21:21 bgkriegel :)
21:21 wahanui only this is probably a neverending story somehow
21:21 bgkriegel only this
21:21 wizzyrea well that's a new one. it does that for only one patch or all of them?
21:21 bgkriegel have a problem with git bz
21:20 pastebot "bgkriegel" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git bz error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/406
21:19 wizzyrea bye!
21:18 oleonard See you later #koha
21:16 rangi but for special libraries, where the whole opac is behind the login, it might be useful
21:15 drojf or, plan to do
21:15 rangi since most ppl arent logged in
21:15 drojf that is what i do with all privacy-relevant sysprefs :)
21:15 rangi there's not much value in tracking it to a borrower, for a public library
21:15 drojf but seriously, cool feature
21:15 rangi it would be easy to check the syspref when a user logs in and say, external links are being tracked
21:15 drojf i'll add it to mine. one day :)
21:14 rangi send a patch :)
21:14 wahanui niihau, eythian
21:14 eythian hi
21:14 drojf more privacy warnings needed :P
21:12 bgkriegel now push for QA
21:12 bgkriegel :)
21:12 rangi bgkriegel++ # thanks for the sign off
20:35 rangi cya magnuse
20:35 * magnuse wanders off
20:34 magnuse rangi++
20:33 jcamins Yay!
20:32 rangi im thinking i might add persona logins to staff side too next
20:31 cait very interesting feature
20:31 cait yep
20:31 rangi yeah, albany have been using it for a while
20:31 bgkriegel rangi: ok, is a nice feature
20:29 magnuse kia ora rangi
20:29 rangi hiya magnuse
20:29 * magnuse waves
20:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha
20:29 rangi hey cait
20:29 magnuse bug 8917
20:29 cait morning rangi
20:29 rangi bgkriegel: ill do a fix for 8917 now
20:27 bgkriegel hi cait.. Ok, i'll do that
20:27 cait bgkriegel: sorry, no - maybe check for regressions and note that?
20:24 nengard changing back to my other computer now that this is fixed - brb
20:24 bgkriegel ah, was trying to test an enhancement from biblibre
20:23 nengard cause you have to pay ? don't you?
20:22 nengard I haven't
20:21 bgkriegel has anyone tried Enhanced content from Babeltheque?
20:18 bgkriegel well done :)
20:17 wizzyrea so it's safer to populate those sysprefs
20:17 wizzyrea it's probably a bug
20:16 wizzyrea if you put in opac.css, it looks in the directory for the theme
20:16 wizzyrea because that's what the defaults are
20:16 wizzyrea and prog/en/opac.css
20:16 wizzyrea that it was pointing to prog/en/colors.css
20:16 wizzyrea if you had looked at the source, you probably would have seen
20:16 wizzyrea but ty, glad it's working
20:16 wizzyrea pft
20:16 nengard so darn simple!!!
20:15 nengard you get it twice :)
20:15 nengard wizzyrea++
20:15 nengard wizzyrea++
20:15 wizzyrea yusss
20:15 nengard That was it
20:15 nengard HA
20:15 * wizzyrea will illustrate one moment
20:15 wizzyrea then it will work I think
20:15 wizzyrea in the proper places
20:15 wizzyrea colors.css and opac.css
20:14 wizzyrea put in
20:14 jcamins css files do not need to be executable.
20:14 nengard they're all empty
20:14 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
20:14 wizzyrea change it to colors.css
20:14 nengard nothing
20:14 nengard no
20:14 wizzyrea you have a custom CSS file defined in the sysprefs?
20:14 nengard OH?
20:14 wizzyrea OH nengard
20:13 nengard wizzyrea i did a fresh repo at the start of this ? wiped out the old one
20:13 nengard no luck
20:12 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "updated permissions" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/405
20:12 rangi its gonna be one of those days
20:12 rangi heh
20:12 rangi [5~/ws 23
20:12 wizzyrea ccsr was ok for me too
20:12 wizzyrea fortunately I had just pushed the things I needed to.
20:11 bgkriegel none of my files are executable, and ccsr is ok
20:11 * wizzyrea accidentally wiped out her git repo yesterday too
20:10 wizzyrea 755 would do
20:10 nengard :)
20:09 nengard not like it can be hacked
20:09 nengard since it's a VM anyway?
20:09 nengard so change all files to 777
20:09 wizzyrea maybe
20:09 wizzyrea seems odd they're not executable
20:09 nengard no errors
20:08 nengard but if i view source and click on a css file it opens the code
20:08 nengard firebug shows nothing in the console - nothing at all
20:08 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "permissions" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/404
20:08 wizzyrea but obv apache can read them because firebug says it can see them
20:07 wizzyrea ccsr
20:07 nengard the ccsr folder?
20:07 nengard in which folder?
20:07 wizzyrea ls -lah would show you
20:07 wizzyrea ooh yes permissions
20:07 bgkriegel file permissions?
20:07 wizzyrea so not that then.
20:06 nengard 8% full :)
20:06 nengard i'm A-OK on space
20:06 wizzyrea in your vm
20:06 wizzyrea df -h
20:06 nengard i use virtualbox
20:06 nengard hmm - how do i check disk space?
20:05 nengard colors.css hierarchy.css mobile.css print.css
20:05 nengard babeltheque.css datatables.css jquery.rating.css opac.css sco.css
20:05 nengard nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css$ ls
20:05 wizzyrea that sounds like madness
20:05 wizzyrea maybe you are out of disk space in your VM?
20:05 wizzyrea just for fun.
20:05 nengard yes - i seem to - i clicked on the link to the ccsr css and it opened the file
20:04 wizzyrea did you restart apache in your vm?
20:04 nengard but i just did a new pull fresh git
20:04 wizzyrea do you have the ccsr files?
20:04 nengard that's what i thought it was originally
20:04 nengard and this is the computer i use for training/demoing - i use the other one for testings/signing off
20:04 bgkriegel when I see somethng like this, there were missing files
20:04 nengard it's a puzzler
20:04 nengard yeah
20:04 bgkriegel :(
20:03 nengard it's still ugly
20:03 nengard so that didn't help
20:03 nengard i cleared my cache - but it was a problem in chrome and ff
20:03 nengard if i change to prog everything is okay
20:02 wizzyrea and if you flip it off everything is ok?
20:02 nengard no
20:01 wizzyrea nengard do you have a language enabled?
20:00 nengard hang on phone ?
19:58 bgkriegel Ctrl+Shift+Del in ff
19:57 bgkriegel in any, try to delete history, not all, just clean the cache
19:57 wizzyrea for kicks, restart apache in your vm?
19:57 nengard it's the same in both
19:57 nengard and chrome
19:56 nengard installing ff update
19:56 tcohen bye #koha
19:55 wizzyrea but I"m not sure that exists.
19:55 nengard ff
19:55 wizzyrea no that's normal - somewhat telling is that it cna't find the ccsr favicon
19:55 bgkriegel nengard: what browser are you using?
19:55 nengard anyway, nothing out of the ordinary
19:55 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "another paste" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/403
19:54 * tcohen really hates those concatenation errors, he silently squashes those anytime hi sends a patch trying people not tu realise it
19:54 wizzyrea i mean, I just didn't see the 14
19:54 wizzyrea oh sorry you're right
19:54 nengard 2:17
19:54 nengard 14:17
19:54 nengard 2pm
19:54 wizzyrea and it's not 7am
19:54 wizzyrea it's not 7pm?
19:54 nengard in the US :)
19:53 nengard today is the 26th
19:53 wizzyrea that stuff is normal and not even from today
19:53 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "log" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/402
19:53 wizzyrea no, go into the settings and clear it properly
19:53 nengard s
19:53 nengard wizzyrea i did shift-refresh ? many time
19:53 bgkriegel many times
19:52 nengard one sec
19:52 wizzyrea did you clear your browser cache?
19:52 nengard pasting
19:52 nengard just didn't want to spam the chat :)
19:52 nengard no
19:52 wizzyrea that's normal.
19:52 bgkriegel only line?
19:52 wizzyrea naw
19:52 nengard [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] [error] [client 192.168.56.1] [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /home/nengard/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 840., referer: http://kohavm/
19:51 wizzyrea ^.^
19:51 wizzyrea what does the awesome jar pay for?
19:51 wizzyrea yusss
19:51 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea
19:51 wizzyrea awesome.
19:51 nengard found
19:50 wizzyrea it'll be there.
19:50 wizzyrea just ls around in there until you find it
19:50 wahanui rumour has it something is wrong
19:50 wizzyrea or something
19:50 wizzyrea it's gonna be /home/nengard/koha-dev/log
19:50 nengard yup ?.
19:50 wizzyrea then your logs aren't there.
19:50 nengard yes
19:50 nengard sudo didn't do it
19:49 jcamins nengard: you did a standard install from git?
19:49 nengard nope
19:49 wizzyrea yea because you need to sudo
19:49 nengard tail: cannot open `/var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log' for reading: No such file or directory
19:49 bgkriegel (if your logs are there)
19:48 bgkriegel and reload
19:48 bgkriegel try tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log
19:48 wizzyrea clear the cache.
19:48 nengard which is strange
19:48 nengard at all
19:48 nengard firebug says nothing
19:48 wizzyrea firebug doesn't say you are missing something like mobile.css?
19:48 nengard hmmm
19:48 tcohen (just kidding)
19:48 tcohen maybe a non-propietary OS?
19:48 nengard from what directory?
19:48 nengard bgkriegel what do i type to see that log?
19:47 bgkriegel tcohen: ccsr is not behaving
19:47 nengard tcohen when i'm using ccsr i see this: http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:46 tcohen (evidence of it)
19:46 tcohen what's the issue nengard?
19:46 bgkriegel koha-opac-error_log
19:45 bgkriegel can you see in your logs?
19:45 nengard it's fine on my other computer i don't do anything except fetch and rebase daily
19:45 nengard what the heck
19:44 nengard well that didn't work
19:42 tcohen git reset --hard origin/master
19:38 nengard k re-cloning ? fingers crossed
19:34 bgkriegel well, I rename kohaclone (o delete)
19:34 nengard just figured that out :)
19:34 nengard yup
19:34 oleonard I would think you would have to delete kohaclone first
19:34 nengard i don't have to delete anything first?
19:33 bgkriegel the standard clone, git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone
19:32 nengard ? like i will be tomorrow
19:32 nengard i don't have anything special on here - i just use it when on the road doing demos
19:32 nengard how can i pull down a fresh repo
19:30 gaetan_B bye !
19:30 nengard nothing special in there
19:29 nengard they're all blank
19:29 nengard hmm
19:27 oleonard Custom CSS preference?
19:26 nengard maybe it's a combo of prefs ? maybe it is a bug?
19:26 nengard i assume it's the right css file
19:23 nengard i see a css file
19:23 oleonard What happens if you click that link in the view source window?
19:23 nengard and more
19:23 nengard <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css/opac.css" />
19:23 nengard yes
19:22 nengard i have the weirdest problems
19:22 oleonard nengard: When you view source does it show that it's looking for files in /opac-tmpl/ccsr/" ?
19:22 nengard no other instances running that i know of
19:22 nengard and the server was restarted and it's still looking all wrong
19:22 nengard git status is a-ok
19:21 nengard hang on it's restarting
19:21 jcamins nengard: and `git status` doesn't do something like tell you that every single CCSR file was removed, right?
19:21 cait will have to check again later
19:20 nengard it looks right with prog
19:20 * cait was missing the icons on the homepage earlier today... thought it was that
19:20 nengard and yes
19:20 nengard shouldn't be - but let me kill the vm and start it again
19:20 oleonard nengard: If you switch the opac theme to prog does it look correct?
19:20 nengard hmmm
19:20 oleonard More than one instance of Koha running?
19:20 nengard how so?
19:19 oleonard nengard: Maybe your browser is pointing at the wrong site?
19:19 nengard http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:19 nengard not the right thing to paste
19:19 nengard HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master
19:19 nengard and cait i'm having an issue with ccsr on one of my vms
19:19 nengard could it be a vm thing?
19:19 nengard just not my vm
19:19 nengard interesting ? console shows stuff for other pages
19:19 cait what are we missing? :)
19:18 nengard this makes no sense
19:18 nengard well the console is on the 'all' tab and there is nothing there
19:18 nengard hmmm
19:18 oleonard nengard: Firebug would show errors if there were missing assets (i.e. CSS files which were not where they should be)
19:17 cait hi nengard and oleonard
19:17 nengard hi cait
19:17 nengard oleonard nothing ?
19:16 * cait waves
19:16 oleonard What does Firebug say in its console?
19:15 nengard shift refresh like 5 times
19:15 oleonard That's correct. Have you cleared your browser cache?
19:15 nengard HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master
19:15 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
19:15 nengard oleonard
19:15 nengard jcamins i see the prog theme with the list and cart buttons in the top left like it's trying to do ccsr but can't find the images/backgrounds etc
19:14 oleonard What does git log say is the last commit?
19:14 jcamins I can't view the screenshot.
19:14 nengard not nope to jcamins :)
19:14 nengard no changes
19:14 nengard nope
19:14 jcamins Could you summarize what you see?
19:14 oleonard nengard: Are you on a branch with changes?
19:14 nengard on my other computer (same vm set up) it looks a-ok so i know it's not a bug and it's a problem with my repo in some way
19:13 nengard but when i use ccsr i see: http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:13 nengard cause i did a fetch this morning
19:13 nengard i did a fetch and there was nothing to fetch
19:12 jcamins In that case either your remote is not called "origin" or you did not originally check out from git.k-c.org.
19:12 nengard image coming
19:12 nengard that didn't work
19:12 nengard hmmm
19:11 jcamins Morthland: yeah, if you have Koha on port 90 because, e.g, nginx is on port 80, set up a virtual host on port 80 that just forwards requests to port 90.
19:11 jcamins Additional steps are necessary, obviously, if you want to do anything other than run master.
19:11 nengard oleonard could be and so i'll try jcamins tips
19:10 jcamins nengard: git fetch origin && git checkout origin/master
19:10 oleonard nengard: Wouldn't that be a problem with your branch?
19:10 nengard for some reason one of my Koha VMs isn't finding the ccsr files - any ideas on how to fetch them down from git?
19:09 Morthland Reverse Proxy?
19:08 jcamins Or use a reverse proxy setup, if there's a reason you can't serve Koha off of port 80.
19:08 jcamins Rather than using a redirect, just point DNS to the Koha server.
19:07 jcamins Morthland: oh, that makes it easy.
19:07 Morthland I should go to apache IRC, I guess.
19:07 Morthland I run our apache server.
19:05 * rangi has to take the kids to school bbiab
19:03 rangi ie no point doing a loop we dont have to
19:03 bgkriegel ok. But you have no problem. What could be the difference?
19:02 rangi but probably a better fix is to not check permissions when auth is not required
19:02 rangi ill declare an empty one
19:02 rangi ie, you dont declare the permissions needed, because none are needed
19:01 rangi it does, but the authnotrequired overrides that anyway
19:00 jcamins *at
19:00 jcamins You need to get your IT folks to point opac.morthland.org to your Koha server.
19:00 Morthland How can I change that so it shows opac.morthland.org/whatever/whatever.pl?
18:59 tcohen heh jcamins oleonard
18:59 bgkriegel there is something in your http server configuration
18:59 jcamins You tell IT to fix it.
18:58 Morthland but when you go there, it simply shows our IP address
18:58 jcamins Right.
18:57 Morthland I mean, our site is http://opac.morthland.org
18:57 jcamins Morthland: hide the IP address?
18:57 Morthland How do I hide the IP address?
18:56 oleonard tcohen: An unlimited supply of "Koha bucks" which unfortunately are not redeemable for anything
18:56 jcamins tcohen: that's part of the problem... there's no funding for anything.
18:55 tcohen how many bucks do one gets for picking rmaint position?
18:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha
18:53 bgkriegel rangi: Bug 8917, make any sense what I wrote?
18:50 bgkriegel :)
18:50 * rangi is gonna put his money where his mouth is
18:50 jcamins Oh, you put yourself on the docket for QA! Awesome!
18:49 rangi the better job they do, the easier everyone elses job is
18:49 jcamins It definitely is.
18:49 rangi qa is actually one of the most important roles
18:49 rangi heh
18:48 * jcamins will declare that his life is over May 22, thereby opening the way for someone else.
18:48 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
18:48 jcamins oleonard: I did hear.
18:47 oleonard jcamins: Didn't you hear? We've made it a lifetime appointment.
18:47 rangi its just checking it doesnt bust the stable branch and is it a feature or not
18:47 rangi its been signed off, qaed, checked by the release maintainer
18:47 jcamins But after being RM, I would prefer not to run for anything.
18:47 rangi by the time a patch gets to rmaint
18:47 rangi its less than QA
18:47 jcamins RMaint was fun. :)
18:46 bgkriegel that's too much :)
18:46 rangi i need someone to take over rmaint :)
18:40 jcamins :D
18:39 bgkriegel I was thinking about
18:38 bgkriegel hehe
18:38 jcamins bgkriegel: hello. I hope you are thinking of running for a position during the 3.14 release cycle? :)
18:35 Morthland My IT ran an update.
18:35 Morthland I figured it out.
18:35 Morthland Yeah.
18:25 libsysguy whatever you do
18:25 libsysguy or edited one
18:24 libsysguy Morthland you probably did an update to apache and the package maintainers version overwrote your symlinked one
18:23 * jcamins wonders if paul_p is related to René Poulain, the wine expert.
18:14 Morthland as is my ports.conf
18:13 Morthland it would seem that apache2.conf is reset to a default.
18:13 Morthland Hmm.
18:13 Morthland My
18:10 kf bye all
18:08 oleonard Morthland: Go on...
18:02 Morthland Hey all, My Koha started giving me this error this past weekend: Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server.
17:56 jcamins One of those should bring you to the page with the jenkins script.
17:56 jcamins Or "continuous integration."
17:56 tcohen thx
17:56 jcamins tcohen: search on the wiki for "jenkins"
17:55 tcohen what jobs do jenkins do to check the status of koha sourcE? make? make test?
17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Template files contain single quote strings
17:40 jcamins Bug 9555 I think.
17:40 oleonard Oh, for both. *sigh*
17:40 jcamins calendar.inc.
17:40 oleonard For which file?
17:39 jcamins It's awaiting QA.
17:39 jcamins oleonard: there's already a patch for that.
17:27 jcamins Apparently not.
17:27 jcamins Hm.
17:27 reiveune bye
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17:27 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
17:27 jcamins !jenkins status
17:26 jcamins Isn't he?
17:26 jcamins oleonard: Jenkins should be yes.
17:26 oleonard If I run "prove xt" and it fails because of the new single_quotes test, shouldn't Jenkins also be complaining?
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16:23 drojf oops, i'm not working. i'll turn you all off so i can't see you
16:22 drojf that sounds like something nasty
16:22 drojf earspotting
16:21 jcamins lol
16:21 oleonard When they held Who hearings I heard your record on Who spottings was spotty
16:20 jcamins oleonard: I don't know. It's a "spot" a Who was located... it could be a spotting.
16:20 nengard what have i done??
16:20 nengard oh boy
16:19 oleonard jcamins: Then it would be a Who hearing not a Who spotting :P
16:19 nengard hehe
16:19 jcamins oleonard: you might hear them. :P
16:18 nengard jcamins
16:18 nengard can't type
16:18 nengard i guess jcaming
16:18 oleonard jcamins: How could you have a Who spotting when they are too small to see?
16:15 jcamins nengard: they're looking for Horton spottings, not Who spottings?
16:05 kf drojf: don't lose any pieces :)
16:04 kf heh thx :)
16:04 * drojf puts together the pieces of the kf puzzle
16:03 * kf is still puzzled
16:03 kf yep, file using the download option - broken, using the email functinality and the attached file - all good
16:03 jcamins drojf: yeah, kind of weird diacritics for German.
16:02 drojf those are not the diacritic names i would expect
16:02 jcamins Or did last time I used it.
16:02 jcamins drojf: it breaks the diacritics to {diacriticname}
16:02 jcamins Ah.
16:02 kf ok, now the relaly weird thing is: the file from the email works.
16:02 kf jcamins: 3 records were processed in 0,093601 seconds. Some records appear to be invalid and were processed using MarcEdit's loose breaking algorithem. It's recommended that you use the MarcValidator to identify the invalid records
16:01 drojf i dont remember it not showing diacritics
16:01 kf sec
16:01 jcamins Marcedit doesn't display diacritics.
16:01 jcamins I see nothing wrong with that.
16:01 jcamins What error does Marcedit give?
16:00 kf it looks ok in koha... and I told it to be utf-8 I think
16:00 drojf and the file is utf8?
16:00 drojf but it looks ok in the file?
16:00 kf while transforming the file. hm.
16:00 kf also marcedit gives an error
15:59 kf I am a bit puzzled and had hoped someone had seen it before
15:59 kf nice umlauts in koha, but when I export from cart and use marcedit on the file I end up with those instead of the diacritics
15:59 jcamins kf: ?
15:59 kf [off] Innovationsf{under}rdernde Good-Practice-Ans{tilde}tze ?
15:56 drojf very!
15:55 jcamins But charming.
15:54 drojf jcamins: sounds bizarre indeed
15:53 kf exporting marc from the cart gives me problems with umlauts? *sigh*
15:53 kf hm
15:52 jcamins Maybe late nineteenth.
15:51 jcamins It was written in the twentieth century.
15:49 drojf how do you know it's a fake letter?
15:48 jcamins Ah. Quite right. 1100.
15:48 jcamins Charming and bizarre.
15:48 drojf http://koha-community.org/koha-community-newsletter-january-2013/#turkey
15:48 jcamins I have a book published in 1664 with a *fake* letter from the author to someone else dated 1650.
15:47 jcamins o.O
15:46 drojf 0s don't count ;)
15:45 jcamins drojf: well, I had the 1 and 2 right.
15:45 wahanui not is, like, maybe removed from my search
15:45 drojf or not?
15:45 kf maybe we scared him/her away now :)
15:45 drojf i think it was 1200 actually
15:45 drojf allora: have you heard about that?
15:44 jcamins I want to say I heard that something like 120 libraries are involved.
15:44 jcamins drojf: there is, yes.
15:44 drojf isn't there going to be this huge switch of public libraries to koha in turkey?
15:41 * kf nods
15:41 jcamins Right.
15:41 oleonard In face we are all biased: Under no circumstances will we recommend that you choose "Liblime Koha"
15:40 jcamins :)
15:40 jcamins allora: I am biased, but it is my opinion that the best way to get a system that does what you want would be through the search rewrite.
15:38 drojf hi tcohen
15:37 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
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15:37 drojf i should probably pay more attention to the linguistic aspects of koha
15:37 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
15:37 jcamins Morning.
15:37 tcohen morning #koha
15:36 jcamins drojf: "stemming" is a bit of a misnomer in that case.
15:36 kf and other like delhi public library use koha too with a lot of different scripts
15:36 kf allora: if it's any help... we have search in hebrew for one of our supported libraries working, not stemming, but search itself seems to work well for them
15:35 drojf stemming has to be turned off when you use icu anyway?
15:35 jcamins kf: one of many things I proposed. :)
15:35 jcamins allora: I know. That's why I proposed the search rewrite.
15:35 jcamins kf: we don't do significant stemming.
15:35 allora search is very complicated issue if you dial with many languages
15:34 jcamins You could try LL Koha, but you can't get support from anyone other than LL.
15:34 kf jcamins: what's the state of stemming in koha? I think something like lingua::snowball or similar was used?
15:32 allora so, for international use cases solr is a big "requirement"
15:30 allora stemming is key feature for me
15:30 kf allora: translation no longer works there, even if you did it yourself, that's the problem
15:30 allora i saw...
15:30 drojf ha, i did not know that. although it is obvious when you think about it
15:30 kf allora: here you can see the translations for koha: translate.koha-community.org
15:29 allora but it is not problem for me
15:29 jcamins LL Koha isn't translated.
15:29 jcamins In that case, LL Koha isn't an option.
15:29 kf dorgetliblime koha then.
15:29 allora yeah, i need arabic and turkish interfaces
15:28 kf allora: where are you located? will you need a translated interface?
15:28 allora also solr is getting industry standart
15:27 kf s
15:27 kf allora: a reserve module has been in the works - bugzilla will know the current status, we have a quite strict qa proces
15:27 jcamins A part also addresses Solr.
15:27 jcamins Indeed, a part of the search rewrite addresses relevancy.
15:26 jcamins Relevancy adjustments can be made with Zebra too, though.
15:26 jcamins The faceting is better, though not as much better as everyone thinks.
15:25 jcamins The stemming is definitely superior.
15:24 allora its fast (as zebra), has rich facet search functionality, has stemming algor. for other languages and has field boosting
15:21 jcamins And the Solr query syntax is probably not what you want.
15:21 jcamins Why do you want to use Solr/Lucene?
15:20 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=solr&go=Go
15:19 allora you are right!
15:19 oleonard We do not suggest that someone should do so
15:18 allora i think luce based search is a big feature. So, i dont think someone can develop this feature for free :)
15:16 wahanui it has been said that bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org
15:16 drojf bug tracker?
15:16 drojf also check the bug tracker, if somebody is working on it already
15:15 drojf allora: if you plan to add functionality it is good practice to put a request for comments on the wiki, or discuss it on the developer mailing list. at least if it is a bigger feature. that way you might get useful input on how to make it useful for everyone
15:11 drojf that is how free and open source software works :)
15:11 drojf yes. all functionality you see in koha now was contributed by someone
15:11 allora ok
15:11 allora you mean, if you like functionality you can add it global koha distros, right?
15:10 drojf what oleonard says. think "develop for koha", not "develop for me". if the feature can be generalized so it is useful for others too, you can get it into the koha codebase and it is automatically there in upgrades too. if you choose to not contribute but keep it a local change, you will have to adjust it to every upgrade you do
15:08 oleonard If you pay someone to add functionality to Koha, you should require that they submit it to the Koha project for inclusion, and see it through
15:07 allora next question... if someone/company develops a custom module for my koha version, is there any problem when i need to upgrade koha version?
15:03 drojf i think you have to speak to jcamins about details :)
15:03 allora if i pay for this next distro will contain solr?
15:02 drojf that is development time, not estimated time of arrival though
15:02 allora :)
15:01 allora ii. Solr query syntax Up to 6,000 2-4 weeks
15:01 oleonard allora: You get none of the advantages of Open Source if you choose "Liblime Koha"
15:00 oleonard allora: Koha is developed and supported by support companies all over the world. It is contributed to by developers all over the world. "Liblime Koha" is supported by only one company and has no outside contributors.
15:00 drojf some people are working on solr integration
15:00 drojf ^^ there is some info about future devekopments regarding search in koha
14:59 wahanui hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
14:59 drojf search rewrite?
14:58 drojf well. if you want to be able to work with and/or get support from the community and use a free and open source software product, you should use koha
14:58 allora any documents show development road map? for example will u develop lucene based search or cource reverve module?
14:57 allora i need to take a choose, so i have to ask
14:55 oleonard Why do you ask allora?
14:55 allora alright
14:55 allora yeah, right... :)
14:55 drojf only liblime and their customers know what is in there i guess
14:54 oleonard allora: Koha and "Liblime Koha" diverged several versions ago, so I assume they're quite different by now
14:53 oleonard Not that the community produces
14:53 allora is there any documents describe smilarity and defferences about community and liblime edition?
14:52 oleonard Hi allora
14:52 allora Hi community ;)
14:48 kf hm that's werid
14:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9685 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Allow sort baskets by number
14:34 oleonard I found it used in the patch for Bug 9685
14:34 Dyrcona people who know how to use their compose key?
14:33 drojf typography people :D
14:32 kf hm
14:32 kf and who does use it now?
14:22 drojf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numero_sign
14:22 * oleonard won't worry about it
14:22 kf koha language confusion :)
14:22 oleonard It's not that it doesn't make sense to me, it just looks odd
14:21 drojf i thought it is british
14:21 kf didn't know that :)
14:21 oleonard Apparently
14:20 kf so N° is french?
14:19 kf may end up translates as no
14:19 kf it could be
14:19 oleonard We use "No." elsewhere, but never by itself (which would be confusing for translations)
14:18 kf I could translate it to Nr. in German I guess
14:17 kf hm I think if it's translatable maybe not a problem?
14:17 oleonard I'm not sure what the alternative is, but it's not comfortable to my American eyes anyway
14:17 oleonard Didn't we previously replace use of "N°" used to mean "number?" http://screencast.com/t/RLZYNO5l
14:15 kf bgkriegel++ :)
14:08 nengard not me bernardo fixed it :)
14:07 nengard :)
14:07 oleonard Hooray!
14:07 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #299: FIXED in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/299/
14:07 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
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14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
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14:06 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
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10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9655 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
10:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
10:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9655 - Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:59 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches
10:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #72: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/72/
10:53 BobB Scroll down to 1.15
10:52 BobB http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/administration.html#staffprefs
10:52 BobB mib_n23e2u: Have you read the manual?
10:24 mib_n23e2u anybody
10:24 mib_n23e2u ??
10:24 mib_n23e2u how to customize intranet interface.
10:23 wahanui niihau, mib_n23e2u
10:23 mib_n23e2u hello
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10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
10:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #72 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
10:18 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
10:18 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
10:18 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
10:18 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
10:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #278: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/278/
09:41 kf hm i got a question for duplicate checking call numbers
09:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #278 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
09:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
09:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
09:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
09:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
09:40 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
09:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #71: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/71/
09:34 dcook all right, night #koha
09:29 * dcook thinks that he is too sleepy at this point
09:28 dcook Yep...when I reindex on master, no problems
09:23 kf oh
09:22 * dcook facepalm
09:22 dcook Ahh...I wonder if it's because I'm on an old branch..
09:22 dcook Hmm, I remember seeing that recently too
09:21 kf I haven#t used it yet, but I think it's in the same directory as the rebuild_zebra script
09:21 kf slice... something
09:21 kf there is a new script to find bad records
09:20 dcook Must be a bad xml record somewhere in there..
09:20 dcook Well, no error messages
09:20 dcook Yep, no problem without the x
09:15 kf wonder if it would work without the x... but you would still have to fix it somewhow
09:15 dcook It was indexing just fine a few weeks ago, and I don't think I've added anything...(this is just my dev install)
09:15 dcook Then I tried the same but with -r instead of -z just to try to start over
09:15 dcook rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -z
09:14 kf what command did you use for indexing?
09:14 kf hm
09:14 dcook With 8184 biblios, that's a lot of possibilities..
09:13 dcook 19:47:45-26/02 zebraidx(3149) [warn] extract error: generic
09:13 dcook ^
09:13 dcook <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
09:13 dcook Entity: line 248: parser error : XML declaration allowed only at the start of the document
09:13 drojf good morning #koha
09:13 kf what is your error?
09:13 dcook Hmm, any tips on troubleshooting this indexing error?
09:12 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
09:12 gaetan_B hello
09:05 rangi neither do they :)
09:04 kf I guess explaining it would not make it easier... and I have no idea what he/she is trying to do
09:04 kf me neither
09:04 kf rangi: aaaw
09:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #71 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
09:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #277: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/277/
09:00 * magnuse has tried +42 - not fun!
08:59 rangi im not touching that email
08:57 cjh wow 37 degrees, that is a bit too warm.
08:29 francharb :)
08:28 dcook wb, francharb
08:24 christophe_c hi dcook
08:24 dcook Although +43 back in January wasn't as bad as I thought it would be..
08:23 dcook And I was complaining about the heat earlier in the day...I would've melted in Perth
08:23 francharb ahahah
08:23 dcook Teleportation would be sweet, but dear god Perth..
08:23 dcook Whoa..
08:22 francharb ;)
08:22 * francharb cant wait for teleportation
08:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #277 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:22 * rangi has to go to perth next week
08:22 magnuse too hot!
08:22 rangi thats stupid!!
08:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Perth, Western Australia is 37.0°C (4:00 PM WST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:22 rangi @wunder perth, australia
08:21 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (7:00 PM EST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:21 dcook @wunder Sydney, Australia
08:21 huginn francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:21 francharb @wunder lyon france
08:20 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
08:20 rangi @wunder nzwn
08:20 francharb hello rangi kf
08:20 kf hi rangi and francharb
08:20 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -2.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
08:20 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:20 rangi hi francharb and kf
08:20 kf hi #koha
08:17 francharb ;)
08:17 francharb 0/ dcook
08:16 dcook O_o
08:15 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke.
08:15 dcook hey francharb
08:15 francharb hello
08:14 dcook salut, christophe_c
08:11 christophe_c hi rangi
08:10 rangi hi christophe_c
08:09 christophe_c hello all
07:48 cait the weather in marseille :)
07:45 dcook Hmm?
07:43 magnuse patches welcome!
07:42 magnuse yup!
07:39 cait magnuse: hope they fix that before we get there
07:34 magnuse yikes!
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
07:34 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.2°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse @wunder konstanz
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:34 magnuse @wunder boo
07:34 * magnuse waves
07:27 alex_a bonjour
07:19 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:19 reiveune hello
06:29 dcook hey cait :)
06:29 cait hi dcook
06:28 dcook Not sure why Chrome's find decided to jerk me around there..
06:27 dcook Oh wait, there it is
06:27 * dcook isn't seeing it in updatedatabase though...
06:27 dcook Does anyone know if "coded_location_qualifier" was added to the items table recently? It doesn't show up in schema spy and I just notice it in my dev install...
06:18 cjh hehe no biggy if you don't, if it isn't a big deal for you then you can just ignore it :)
06:18 mtj (i'll attempt to come up with a theory for you)
06:17 mtj hmm, ill take a better look at my git thing a bit later, will keep you posted cjh
06:16 mtj hi cait
06:15 cjh mtj: you can set up git to have multiple remotes if you want, so I have our local mirror as well as a remote for upsteam.
06:15 mtj cjh, repo updated every day from kc.org, via cron
06:15 mtj so, my local mirror repo prolly has the glitch there…
06:15 cait :)
06:14 cjh morning/afternoon cait \o
06:14 * cait waves
06:14 cjh and how up-to-date is your local mirror?
06:14 mtj its pulling from a local mirror of kc.org (to save bandwidth)
06:14 cjh success?
06:13 mtj hmmm, well its not actually :/
06:13 cjh you can also use `git remote -vv` to check your remotes, im wondering if maybe your git fetch isnt pulling from koha-community.
06:12 mtj yep, thanks for 'git show' tip , its a new one for me :)
06:11 cjh a clone is probably your best bet (simplest and quickest)
06:11 cjh that shouldnt be needed, I am really interested now :D
06:10 mtj im not *that* curious :p
06:10 mtj ...but i'll prolly just re-clone, rather than attempt to fix it
06:10 mtj i could rm/add my 'origin' repo, to force a refresh of those tags, perhaps....
06:09 mtj yes, i seem to be
06:08 mtj np, its not a critial dev repo here, just a tmp repo
06:08 cjh hmm --tags should get them all, are you sure you are looking at the right remote?
06:07 mtj yep, still borked
06:06 cjh did you try a git fetch --tags and then try a show again?
06:06 mtj ok ok… so its still my local repo is futzed somehow :) all good
06:05 cjh for me it is bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03 (like you expected it to be)
06:05 cjh your git show is: 1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa
06:05 cjh yeah, your local tag doesnt match the remote tag.
06:05 mtj weird, for me…. i still get the wrong/parent commit, not the one i expect
06:04 mtj thanks cjh
06:04 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git show" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/401
06:03 cjh could try a `git fetch --tags` to get it to fetch all tags.
06:03 cjh well, attached to any branches which you are fetching (default: all)
06:02 cjh although (unless you have configured otherwise), a pull or fetch should get/update any tags that are still attached to branches.
06:01 cjh it is possible that you have moved the tag in your local copy, or that the tag has changed since.
06:01 cjh mtj: git show v3.08.06
04:36 dcook No worries, mtj. Always good to have another perspective :)
04:35 mtj thanks for the brain-slap dcook :)
04:30 mtj im going for a re-clone
04:29 dcook It does seem rather bizarre
04:28 mtj im happy to click that its just my problem
04:28 mtj HEAD is now at 1d5c2c4 Merge remote-tracking branch 'tamil/3.8.6-translate' into 3.8.x
04:28 mtj mason@build64:~/git/koha$ git reset --hard v3.08.06
04:27 mtj ah ok, so … only me then
04:27 dcook That's definitely what I get when I run the same git command you provided
04:26 dcook So bd5bb85 is the expected commit?
04:25 * dcook takes a gander
04:24 mtj any ideas what im doing worng?
04:22 mtj 1d5c2c4 is bd5bb85's parent commit… weird?!
04:22 mtj yet a 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' resets my repo to 1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa
04:20 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=tag;h=refs/tags/v3.08.06
04:20 mtj the expected commit is… afaict bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03
04:19 mtj why does git not reset my repo to the expected commit, but sets it to its parent?
04:18 mtj if i reset my koha repo to the v3.08.06 tag, with 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' ...
04:17 mtj hi all, i've got a weird git question….
03:48 wizzyrea1 http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Blog/BlogEntry201109x2 something like this
03:47 cjh you done broke it good.
03:46 wizzyrea1 IRC has gone mad.
03:45 Guest257 what about backgrounding it?
03:45 eythian a persistent ajax-y thing would perhaps be better.
03:45 eythian but reverse proxies and such make it harder.
03:45 eythian probably
03:44 wizzyrea (I haven't looked) can you set a default timeout for a specific page in your apache config?
03:43 eythian If it takes more than, say, 60 seconds, suggest that it be exported by default.
03:43 wizzyrea but.. impossible things don't have to be impossible forever :P
03:43 eythian Well, I think timing it and suggesting that it not be displayed on future runs could be useful.
03:43 wizzyrea mostly because I don't know if that's actually possible.
03:43 wizzyrea like... check to see how long it's been with no response? I'm not saying I have an actual way of doing it in mind
03:42 rangi yeah thats apache and/or your browser
03:42 eythian It's largely outside the control of perl
03:42 rangi what timeout?
03:42 wizzyrea could we make the timeout smarter on that page?
03:41 rangi nope but if htey do, they wont know its gonna take ages so wont check the checkbox
03:41 wizzyrea that's not going to stop people trying ^.^
03:40 rangi some things are just dumb to try and do in a single sql statement too
03:39 eythian though I haven't attempted to tune the mysql params for it
03:39 eythian my report isn't using the query cache, anyway
03:39 eythian not if it's an operation on the stats table, I suspect that there are too many rows to cache
03:39 wizzyrea pretty likely on things like items or statistics
03:38 rangi unless someone has done an insert between pages
03:38 rangi if you have a decent cache on mysql it will be fast
03:38 eythian as it'll rerun the query for each page.
03:38 eythian also, if it's a slow one, paging is useless anyway.
03:37 rangi dcook: it does but you can override it .. in which case, its your own fault
03:37 wizzyrea unless you put a limit = more than 10k
03:37 wizzyrea by default yea
03:37 cjh wizzyrea: you still cant tell how big is it until it's run, and by then it's too late.
03:37 wizzyrea and said "are you sure you want to run this it may be resource intensive"
03:37 dcook wizzyrea: Doesn't the guided reports script have a cap of something like 10,000 results? It's been a while since I looked but I thought I saw that once
03:37 wizzyrea what if you stopped if the count was over a certain amount?
03:37 eythian I think perhaps a checkbox "I expect this report to be slow" and in that case it does it with a one-pass, or an option to only export it to CSV.
03:37 rangi at least thats what it used to do
03:36 rangi yup
03:36 cjh I meant, insert the count(*) into the query, but I guess that could cause issues.
03:35 rangi then it runs a query to get the actual results
03:35 rangi the count(*) is what happens cjh
03:35 eythian Well, you don't know how many results there will be until it's run
03:35 cjh is there a reason you cant either count(*) or count the number of results?
03:35 wizzyrea at least not offer to page a query that has 64000 results
03:34 rangi how would you get the count?
03:34 eythian well, it pages for you. That's great, but I think running the query twice is perhaps not optimal.
03:34 wizzyrea or "just download the results"
03:33 wizzyrea "this report is going to return a lot of shit - are you sure you want to run it"
03:33 wizzyrea speaking of - there ought to be a catch for that
03:33 wizzyrea does it time out?
03:32 wizzyrea yea, that definitely explains some things about behaviour I've seen out of the reports module
03:32 eythian especially when I have a report that takes over a minute to run once.
03:31 wizzyrea hm yes that does seem not good.
03:31 cjh :o
03:31 eythian first to get the first 20 values, the second to get the count
03:30 wizzyrea how so
03:30 cjh runs reports twice?
03:30 eythian it seems really bad that Koha runs reports twice
03:19 mtompset Well, time to try to accomplish everything that still won't get done. Have a good day (24 hour period).
03:06 * wizzyrea giggles
03:03 eythian the little temperature thing on my computer shows it in red when it reaches that.
03:03 wizzyrea 24 really.
02:53 * wahanui blesses crap
02:53 eythian wahanui: holy crap
02:52 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:52 eythian wahanui: holy crap is <action>blesses crap
02:52 trea o.O
02:52 eythian holy crap
02:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 24.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
02:52 eythian @wunder nzwn
02:41 bag freedom!
02:09 rangi and free
02:09 rangi http://www.museumswellington.org.nz/museum-of-wellington-city-and-sea/
02:09 rangi heh its really good
02:08 cjh one step further, i've never heard of it :>
02:08 eythian I should do so some time
02:08 eythian neither have I
02:08 wizzyrea i haven't been there yet either
02:07 wizzyrea yes. that must happen.
02:07 wizzyrea A!
02:07 rangi you should go to the museum of city and sea with spud they have a movie about it
02:07 wizzyrea (i've only read it to spud a gazillion times now)
02:06 wizzyrea the book we have has a map in it :)
02:06 wizzyrea but no map there
02:04 wizzyrea aw wikipedia spells it wrong!
02:04 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Whanganui-a-Tara
02:03 wizzyrea i do actually
02:03 mtompset you have the map? ;)
01:54 wizzyrea "according to legend"
01:54 * wizzyrea actually knows where that is
01:53 wizzyrea so close >.<
01:53 rangi close tho :)
01:53 rangi whaitaitai
01:53 wizzyrea there's probably a spelling problem there.
01:53 wizzyrea probably somewhere near the bones of whataitai
01:52 * mtompset nods.
01:52 wizzyrea but it's STILL FUNNY.
01:52 wizzyrea lol.
01:51 rangi or at least catalysts involvment in koha
01:51 rangi predates catalyst :)
01:50 trea some say wahanui was discovered when they broke ground on the construction of the catalyst building back in the early 20th century. some say his true purpose is to list the nine billion names of god, or perhaps to iteratively perfect the ultimate fudge recipe. nobody really knows.
01:49 mtompset It worked in my mind. :P
01:48 eythian mtompset: also you're having a cause-and-effect reversal, as papa said that before your comment.
01:48 mtompset Not to mention he interrupted the line with Lucy Ricardo?
01:48 mtompset And it is hard to get if you aren't following the context well.
01:47 mtompset But papa didn't, "I'm stupefied"
01:47 * wizzyrea totally got it
01:46 mtompset No, no... eythian is keeping his baby (bad/confusing joke). :P
01:46 wahanui Since Mon Feb 4 20:59:50 2013, there have been 758 modifications and 280 questions. I have been awake for 21 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, 0 seconds this session, and currently reference 26222 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
01:46 eythian wahanui: status
01:46 eythian like the excuses plugin
01:46 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
01:46 wizzyrea the first question?
01:46 eythian it has a zippy plugin
01:46 wizzyrea or
01:46 wahanui documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
01:46 wizzyrea documentation?
01:46 eythian papa: it's always been there, I just discovered it.
01:46 papa or sell carpets...
01:46 wizzyrea or
01:45 wahanui it has been said that reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
01:45 wizzyrea reports library?
01:45 wizzyrea so we can do things like
01:45 * wizzyrea innocently looks at eythian
01:45 papa and with what purpose I may ask...
01:45 papa so who built that wahanui?
01:43 papa I'm not a baby...
01:42 eythian mtompset: annoyingly he doesn't, I was waiting on a chance to pull that line out for years and never had a chance
01:42 mtompset papa, don't preach... he's in trouble deep. ;)
01:42 papa I'm stupefied
01:41 eythian papa: ^
01:41 eythian <wahanui> Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
01:41 papa eh??
01:41 eythian papa: did you get your used carpet?
01:40 wahanui INSIDE, I have the same personality disorder as LUCY RICARDO!!
01:40 eythian wahanui: be zippy
01:40 wahanui Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
01:40 eythian wahanui: be zippy
01:40 mtompset Okay. I thought they might be a regular here. :)
01:39 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippy_the_Pinhead <-- mtompset
01:38 wizzyrea naw, only people who are predictable get be'd
01:38 mtompset zippy?
01:38 mtompset who is zippy?
01:36 wahanui HATE it. I LIKE it. I HATE it. I LIKE it. I HATE it. I LIKE ... EMOTIONS are SWEEPING over me!!
01:36 eythian wahanui: be zippy
01:35 bgkriegel Good bye
01:34 mtompset I guess only the important people get "be"d. ;)
01:34 mtompset be kf
01:34 mtompset be cait
01:33 mtompset be libsysguy
01:32 * mtompset laughs.
01:32 wahanui let's get rid of marc while we're at it!
01:32 mtompset be magnuse
01:32 * mtompset smirks.
01:31 wahanui Look at me! I'm a bot!
01:31 eythian be wahanui
01:31 mtompset be wahanui
01:31 mtompset be logbot
01:30 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
01:30 mtompset be eythian
01:30 wizzyrea i think it's funny
01:30 wizzyrea :)
01:30 mtompset Ouch!
01:30 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
01:30 mtompset be wizzyrea
01:30 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
01:30 mtompset be wizzyrea
01:30 mtompset be oleonard
01:30 wahanui Have some fudge.
01:30 mtompset be jcamins
01:30 wahanui Have some fudge.
01:30 mtompset be jcamins
01:30 mtompset be drojf
01:29 wahanui eythian: We're upgrading /dev/null
01:29 eythian excuse
01:29 eythian you can always add more if you need.
01:26 wizzyrea ;)
01:26 wizzyrea only 2
01:26 mtompset How many 'be rangi' phrases are there?
01:25 wizzyrea there we go
01:25 cjh heh
01:25 wahanui Send a patch!
01:25 wizzyrea be rangi
01:25 wahanui There's a bug for that
01:25 wizzyrea be rangi
01:24 mtompset Also, the phrase in the drop down should match with the description (If you "do merge"...)
01:19 mtompset I agree. It makes it confusing.
01:17 wizzyrea do or do not. There is no try
01:17 * eythian is opposed to preferences expressed in the negative.
01:15 * jcamins leaves
01:15 mtompset AH... this is another case of backwards naming that confuses people.
01:14 mtompset Is your dontmerge set to "Do"?
01:14 jcamins_ Never.
01:13 mtompset so you have never played with merge_authority.pl in the cronjob?
01:13 jcamins_ I don't know anything about dontmerge.
01:13 jcamins_ Oh.
01:13 jcamins_ Routing changed?
01:13 eythian it's a config file, so if there are changes, you'll be asked how you want to install them.
01:13 wahanui the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:13 jcamins_ What's the question?
01:13 wahanui no it's not.
01:13 mtompset Let's ask jcamins. He knows everything. ;)
01:13 eythian that's right
01:12 wizzyrea eythian ^^
01:12 wizzyrea nothing in etc gets nuked afaik
01:11 mtompset So let's say I tweak this file koha-common ... won't an upgrade clobber the change?
01:10 wizzyrea yes, probably wise
01:09 mtompset -- going to play with our QA system first. :)
01:09 mtompset but from what you've just told me, there's another step I need to do.
01:09 bgkriegel i think /etc/cron.d/koha-common
01:09 mtompset we got nice stock install.
01:08 mtompset packages, of course!
01:08 wizzyrea how did you install koha?
01:08 mtompset Ah... okay... so, which cron file to edit? :)
01:07 wizzyrea in cron, yes :)
01:07 bgkriegel on cron
01:07 wizzyrea no, it will not be enabled by default - you would have to turn it on.
01:06 mtompset right, so is the merge_authority.pl cronjob started by default? Or did I misunderstand what it is saying.
01:06 bgkriegel by default is off
01:06 mtompset I'm trying to figure out if I should enable a merge_authority.pl cronjob. :P
01:05 mtompset What does that last sentence mean for a default installation?
01:05 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
01:05 wizzyrea the first question
01:05 mtompset dontmerge {dont/do} automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authority.pl cronjob.
01:05 bgkriegel :)
01:05 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
01:05 wizzyrea @quote get 145
01:04 huginn wizzyrea: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..."
01:04 wizzyrea @more
01:04 huginn wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message)
01:04 wizzyrea @quote search ask
01:04 wahanui i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:04 bgkriegel what's the question?
01:03 mtompset I have a question about the "dontmerge" system preference.
01:02 mtompset Greetings, #koha.