Time Nick Message 01:02 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:03 mtompset I have a question about the "dontmerge" system preference. 01:04 bgkriegel what's the question? 01:04 wahanui i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 01:04 wizzyrea @quote search ask 01:04 huginn wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message) 01:04 wizzyrea @more 01:04 huginn wizzyrea: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..." 01:05 wizzyrea @quote get 145 01:05 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 01:05 bgkriegel :) 01:05 mtompset dontmerge {dont/do} automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authority.pl cronjob. 01:05 wizzyrea the first question 01:05 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 01:05 mtompset What does that last sentence mean for a default installation? 01:06 mtompset I'm trying to figure out if I should enable a merge_authority.pl cronjob. :P 01:06 bgkriegel by default is off 01:06 mtompset right, so is the merge_authority.pl cronjob started by default? Or did I misunderstand what it is saying. 01:07 wizzyrea no, it will not be enabled by default - you would have to turn it on. 01:07 bgkriegel on cron 01:07 wizzyrea in cron, yes :) 01:08 mtompset Ah... okay... so, which cron file to edit? :) 01:08 wizzyrea how did you install koha? 01:08 mtompset packages, of course! 01:09 mtompset we got nice stock install. 01:09 bgkriegel i think /etc/cron.d/koha-common 01:09 mtompset but from what you've just told me, there's another step I need to do. 01:09 mtompset -- going to play with our QA system first. :) 01:10 wizzyrea yes, probably wise 01:11 mtompset So let's say I tweak this file koha-common ... won't an upgrade clobber the change? 01:12 wizzyrea nothing in etc gets nuked afaik 01:12 wizzyrea eythian ^^ 01:13 eythian that's right 01:13 mtompset Let's ask jcamins. He knows everything. ;) 01:13 wahanui no it's not. 01:13 jcamins_ What's the question? 01:13 wahanui the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 01:13 eythian it's a config file, so if there are changes, you'll be asked how you want to install them. 01:13 jcamins_ Routing changed? 01:13 jcamins_ Oh. 01:13 jcamins_ I don't know anything about dontmerge. 01:13 mtompset so you have never played with merge_authority.pl in the cronjob? 01:14 jcamins_ Never. 01:14 mtompset Is your dontmerge set to "Do"? 01:15 mtompset AH... this is another case of backwards naming that confuses people. 01:15 * jcamins leaves 01:17 * eythian is opposed to preferences expressed in the negative. 01:17 wizzyrea do or do not. There is no try 01:19 mtompset I agree. It makes it confusing. 01:24 mtompset Also, the phrase in the drop down should match with the description (If you "do merge"...) 01:25 wizzyrea be rangi 01:25 wahanui There's a bug for that 01:25 wizzyrea be rangi 01:25 wahanui Send a patch! 01:25 cjh heh 01:25 wizzyrea there we go 01:26 mtompset How many 'be rangi' phrases are there? 01:26 wizzyrea only 2 01:26 wizzyrea ;) 01:29 eythian you can always add more if you need. 01:29 eythian excuse 01:29 wahanui eythian: We're upgrading /dev/null 01:30 mtompset be drojf 01:30 mtompset be jcamins 01:30 wahanui Have some fudge. 01:30 mtompset be jcamins 01:30 wahanui Have some fudge. 01:30 mtompset be oleonard 01:30 mtompset be wizzyrea 01:30 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? 01:30 mtompset be wizzyrea 01:30 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? 01:30 mtompset Ouch! 01:30 wizzyrea :) 01:30 wizzyrea i think it's funny 01:30 mtompset be eythian 01:30 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub! 01:31 mtompset be logbot 01:31 mtompset be wahanui 01:31 eythian be wahanui 01:31 wahanui Look at me! I'm a bot! 01:32 * mtompset smirks. 01:32 mtompset be magnuse 01:32 wahanui let's get rid of marc while we're at it! 01:32 * mtompset laughs. 01:33 mtompset be libsysguy 01:34 mtompset be cait 01:34 mtompset be kf 01:34 mtompset I guess only the important people get "be"d. ;) 01:35 bgkriegel Good bye 01:36 eythian wahanui: be zippy 01:36 wahanui HATE it. I LIKE it. I HATE it. I LIKE it. I HATE it. I LIKE ... EMOTIONS are SWEEPING over me!! 01:38 mtompset who is zippy? 01:38 mtompset zippy? 01:38 wizzyrea naw, only people who are predictable get be'd 01:39 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippy_the_Pinhead <-- mtompset 01:40 mtompset Okay. I thought they might be a regular here. :) 01:40 eythian wahanui: be zippy 01:40 wahanui Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN 01:40 eythian wahanui: be zippy 01:40 wahanui INSIDE, I have the same personality disorder as LUCY RICARDO!! 01:41 eythian papa: did you get your used carpet? 01:41 papa eh?? 01:41 eythian <wahanui> Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN 01:41 eythian papa: ^ 01:42 papa I'm stupefied 01:42 mtompset papa, don't preach... he's in trouble deep. ;) 01:42 eythian mtompset: annoyingly he doesn't, I was waiting on a chance to pull that line out for years and never had a chance 01:43 papa I'm not a baby... 01:45 papa so who built that wahanui? 01:45 papa and with what purpose I may ask... 01:45 * wizzyrea innocently looks at eythian 01:45 wizzyrea so we can do things like 01:45 wizzyrea reports library? 01:45 wahanui it has been said that reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 01:46 wizzyrea or 01:46 papa or sell carpets... 01:46 eythian papa: it's always been there, I just discovered it. 01:46 wizzyrea documentation? 01:46 wahanui documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 01:46 wizzyrea or 01:46 eythian it has a zippy plugin 01:46 wizzyrea the first question? 01:46 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 01:46 eythian like the excuses plugin 01:46 eythian wahanui: status 01:46 wahanui Since Mon Feb 4 20:59:50 2013, there have been 758 modifications and 280 questions. I have been awake for 21 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, 0 seconds this session, and currently reference 26222 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 01:46 mtompset No, no... eythian is keeping his baby (bad/confusing joke). :P 01:47 * wizzyrea totally got it 01:47 mtompset But papa didn't, "I'm stupefied" 01:48 mtompset And it is hard to get if you aren't following the context well. 01:48 mtompset Not to mention he interrupted the line with Lucy Ricardo? 01:48 eythian mtompset: also you're having a cause-and-effect reversal, as papa said that before your comment. 01:49 mtompset It worked in my mind. :P 01:50 trea some say wahanui was discovered when they broke ground on the construction of the catalyst building back in the early 20th century. some say his true purpose is to list the nine billion names of god, or perhaps to iteratively perfect the ultimate fudge recipe. nobody really knows. 01:51 rangi predates catalyst :) 01:51 rangi or at least catalysts involvment in koha 01:52 wizzyrea lol. 01:52 wizzyrea but it's STILL FUNNY. 01:52 * mtompset nods. 01:53 wizzyrea probably somewhere near the bones of whataitai 01:53 wizzyrea there's probably a spelling problem there. 01:53 rangi whaitaitai 01:53 rangi close tho :) 01:53 wizzyrea so close >.< 01:54 * wizzyrea actually knows where that is 01:54 wizzyrea "according to legend" 02:03 mtompset you have the map? ;) 02:03 wizzyrea i do actually 02:04 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Whanganui-a-Tara 02:04 wizzyrea aw wikipedia spells it wrong! 02:06 wizzyrea but no map there 02:06 wizzyrea the book we have has a map in it :) 02:07 wizzyrea (i've only read it to spud a gazillion times now) 02:07 rangi you should go to the museum of city and sea with spud they have a movie about it 02:07 wizzyrea A! 02:07 wizzyrea yes. that must happen. 02:08 wizzyrea i haven't been there yet either 02:08 eythian neither have I 02:08 eythian I should do so some time 02:08 cjh one step further, i've never heard of it :> 02:09 rangi heh its really good 02:09 rangi http://www.museumswellington.org.nz/museum-of-wellington-city-and-sea/ 02:09 rangi and free 02:41 bag freedom! 02:52 eythian @wunder nzwn 02:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 24.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 02:52 eythian holy crap 02:52 trea o.O 02:52 eythian wahanui: holy crap is <action>blesses crap 02:52 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:53 eythian wahanui: holy crap 02:53 * wahanui blesses crap 03:03 wizzyrea 24 really. 03:03 eythian the little temperature thing on my computer shows it in red when it reaches that. 03:06 * wizzyrea giggles 03:19 mtompset Well, time to try to accomplish everything that still won't get done. Have a good day (24 hour period). 03:30 eythian it seems really bad that Koha runs reports twice 03:30 cjh runs reports twice? 03:30 wizzyrea how so 03:31 eythian first to get the first 20 values, the second to get the count 03:31 cjh :o 03:31 wizzyrea hm yes that does seem not good. 03:32 eythian especially when I have a report that takes over a minute to run once. 03:32 wizzyrea yea, that definitely explains some things about behaviour I've seen out of the reports module 03:33 wizzyrea does it time out? 03:33 wizzyrea speaking of - there ought to be a catch for that 03:33 wizzyrea "this report is going to return a lot of shit - are you sure you want to run it" 03:34 wizzyrea or "just download the results" 03:34 eythian well, it pages for you. That's great, but I think running the query twice is perhaps not optimal. 03:34 rangi how would you get the count? 03:35 wizzyrea at least not offer to page a query that has 64000 results 03:35 cjh is there a reason you cant either count(*) or count the number of results? 03:35 eythian Well, you don't know how many results there will be until it's run 03:35 rangi the count(*) is what happens cjh 03:35 rangi then it runs a query to get the actual results 03:36 cjh I meant, insert the count(*) into the query, but I guess that could cause issues. 03:36 rangi yup 03:37 rangi at least thats what it used to do 03:37 eythian I think perhaps a checkbox "I expect this report to be slow" and in that case it does it with a one-pass, or an option to only export it to CSV. 03:37 wizzyrea what if you stopped if the count was over a certain amount? 03:37 dcook wizzyrea: Doesn't the guided reports script have a cap of something like 10,000 results? It's been a while since I looked but I thought I saw that once 03:37 wizzyrea and said "are you sure you want to run this it may be resource intensive" 03:37 cjh wizzyrea: you still cant tell how big is it until it's run, and by then it's too late. 03:37 wizzyrea by default yea 03:37 wizzyrea unless you put a limit = more than 10k 03:37 rangi dcook: it does but you can override it .. in which case, its your own fault 03:38 eythian also, if it's a slow one, paging is useless anyway. 03:38 eythian as it'll rerun the query for each page. 03:38 rangi if you have a decent cache on mysql it will be fast 03:38 rangi unless someone has done an insert between pages 03:39 wizzyrea pretty likely on things like items or statistics 03:39 eythian not if it's an operation on the stats table, I suspect that there are too many rows to cache 03:39 eythian my report isn't using the query cache, anyway 03:39 eythian though I haven't attempted to tune the mysql params for it 03:40 rangi some things are just dumb to try and do in a single sql statement too 03:41 wizzyrea that's not going to stop people trying ^.^ 03:41 rangi nope but if htey do, they wont know its gonna take ages so wont check the checkbox 03:42 wizzyrea could we make the timeout smarter on that page? 03:42 rangi what timeout? 03:42 eythian It's largely outside the control of perl 03:42 rangi yeah thats apache and/or your browser 03:43 wizzyrea like... check to see how long it's been with no response? I'm not saying I have an actual way of doing it in mind 03:43 wizzyrea mostly because I don't know if that's actually possible. 03:43 eythian Well, I think timing it and suggesting that it not be displayed on future runs could be useful. 03:43 wizzyrea but.. impossible things don't have to be impossible forever :P 03:43 eythian If it takes more than, say, 60 seconds, suggest that it be exported by default. 03:44 wizzyrea (I haven't looked) can you set a default timeout for a specific page in your apache config? 03:45 eythian probably 03:45 eythian but reverse proxies and such make it harder. 03:45 eythian a persistent ajax-y thing would perhaps be better. 03:45 Guest257 what about backgrounding it? 03:46 wizzyrea1 IRC has gone mad. 03:47 cjh you done broke it good. 03:48 wizzyrea1 http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Blog/BlogEntry201109x2 something like this 04:17 mtj hi all, i've got a weird git question…. 04:18 mtj if i reset my koha repo to the v3.08.06 tag, with 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' ... 04:19 mtj why does git not reset my repo to the expected commit, but sets it to its parent? 04:20 mtj the expected commit is… afaict bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03 04:20 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=tag;h=refs/tags/v3.08.06 04:22 mtj yet a 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' resets my repo to 1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa 04:22 mtj 1d5c2c4 is bd5bb85's parent commit… weird?! 04:24 mtj any ideas what im doing worng? 04:25 * dcook takes a gander 04:26 dcook So bd5bb85 is the expected commit? 04:27 dcook That's definitely what I get when I run the same git command you provided 04:27 mtj ah ok, so … only me then 04:28 mtj mason@build64:~/git/koha$ git reset --hard v3.08.06 04:28 mtj HEAD is now at 1d5c2c4 Merge remote-tracking branch 'tamil/3.8.6-translate' into 3.8.x 04:28 mtj im happy to click that its just my problem 04:29 dcook It does seem rather bizarre 04:30 mtj im going for a re-clone 04:35 mtj thanks for the brain-slap dcook :) 04:36 dcook No worries, mtj. Always good to have another perspective :) 06:01 cjh mtj: git show v3.08.06 06:01 cjh it is possible that you have moved the tag in your local copy, or that the tag has changed since. 06:02 cjh although (unless you have configured otherwise), a pull or fetch should get/update any tags that are still attached to branches. 06:03 cjh well, attached to any branches which you are fetching (default: all) 06:03 cjh could try a `git fetch --tags` to get it to fetch all tags. 06:04 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git show" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/401 06:04 mtj thanks cjh 06:05 mtj weird, for me…. i still get the wrong/parent commit, not the one i expect 06:05 cjh yeah, your local tag doesnt match the remote tag. 06:05 cjh your git show is: 1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa 06:05 cjh for me it is bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03 (like you expected it to be) 06:06 mtj ok ok… so its still my local repo is futzed somehow :) all good 06:06 cjh did you try a git fetch --tags and then try a show again? 06:07 mtj yep, still borked 06:08 cjh hmm --tags should get them all, are you sure you are looking at the right remote? 06:08 mtj np, its not a critial dev repo here, just a tmp repo 06:09 mtj yes, i seem to be 06:10 mtj i could rm/add my 'origin' repo, to force a refresh of those tags, perhaps.... 06:10 mtj ...but i'll prolly just re-clone, rather than attempt to fix it 06:10 mtj im not *that* curious :p 06:11 cjh that shouldnt be needed, I am really interested now :D 06:11 cjh a clone is probably your best bet (simplest and quickest) 06:12 mtj yep, thanks for 'git show' tip , its a new one for me :) 06:13 cjh you can also use `git remote -vv` to check your remotes, im wondering if maybe your git fetch isnt pulling from koha-community. 06:13 mtj hmmm, well its not actually :/ 06:14 cjh success? 06:14 mtj its pulling from a local mirror of kc.org (to save bandwidth) 06:14 cjh and how up-to-date is your local mirror? 06:14 * cait waves 06:14 cjh morning/afternoon cait \o 06:15 cait :) 06:15 mtj so, my local mirror repo prolly has the glitch there… 06:15 mtj cjh, repo updated every day from kc.org, via cron 06:15 cjh mtj: you can set up git to have multiple remotes if you want, so I have our local mirror as well as a remote for upsteam. 06:16 mtj hi cait 06:17 mtj hmm, ill take a better look at my git thing a bit later, will keep you posted cjh 06:18 mtj (i'll attempt to come up with a theory for you) 06:18 cjh hehe no biggy if you don't, if it isn't a big deal for you then you can just ignore it :) 06:27 dcook Does anyone know if "coded_location_qualifier" was added to the items table recently? It doesn't show up in schema spy and I just notice it in my dev install... 06:27 * dcook isn't seeing it in updatedatabase though... 06:27 dcook Oh wait, there it is 06:28 dcook Not sure why Chrome's find decided to jerk me around there.. 06:29 cait hi dcook 06:29 dcook hey cait :) 07:19 reiveune hello 07:19 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:27 alex_a bonjour 07:34 * magnuse waves 07:34 magnuse @wunder boo 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 07:34 magnuse @wunder konstanz 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.2°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 07:34 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 07:34 magnuse yikes! 07:39 cait magnuse: hope they fix that before we get there 07:42 magnuse yup! 07:43 magnuse patches welcome! 07:45 dcook Hmm? 07:48 cait the weather in marseille :) 08:09 christophe_c hello all 08:10 rangi hi christophe_c 08:11 christophe_c hi rangi 08:14 dcook salut, christophe_c 08:15 francharb hello 08:15 dcook hey francharb 08:15 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. 08:16 dcook O_o 08:17 francharb 0/ dcook 08:17 francharb ;) 08:20 kf hi #koha 08:20 rangi hi francharb and kf 08:20 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:20 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -2.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising). 08:20 kf hi rangi and francharb 08:20 francharb hello rangi kf 08:20 rangi @wunder nzwn 08:20 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 08:21 francharb @wunder lyon france 08:21 huginn francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 08:21 dcook @wunder Sydney, Australia 08:21 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (7:00 PM EST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:22 rangi @wunder perth, australia 08:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Perth, Western Australia is 37.0°C (4:00 PM WST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 08:22 rangi thats stupid!! 08:22 magnuse too hot! 08:22 * rangi has to go to perth next week 08:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #277 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:22 * francharb cant wait for teleportation 08:22 francharb ;) 08:23 dcook Whoa.. 08:23 dcook Teleportation would be sweet, but dear god Perth.. 08:23 francharb ahahah 08:23 dcook And I was complaining about the heat earlier in the day...I would've melted in Perth 08:24 dcook Although +43 back in January wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.. 08:24 christophe_c hi dcook 08:28 dcook wb, francharb 08:29 francharb :) 08:57 cjh wow 37 degrees, that is a bit too warm. 08:59 rangi im not touching that email 09:00 * magnuse has tried +42 - not fun! 09:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #277: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/277/ 09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out 09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging 09:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out 09:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #71 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:04 kf rangi: aaaw 09:04 kf me neither 09:04 kf I guess explaining it would not make it easier... and I have no idea what he/she is trying to do 09:05 rangi neither do they :) 09:12 gaetan_B hello 09:12 wahanui hello, gaetan_B 09:13 dcook Hmm, any tips on troubleshooting this indexing error? 09:13 kf what is your error? 09:13 drojf good morning #koha 09:13 dcook Entity: line 248: parser error : XML declaration allowed only at the start of the document 09:13 dcook <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> 09:13 dcook ^ 09:13 dcook 19:47:45-26/02 zebraidx(3149) [warn] extract error: generic 09:14 dcook With 8184 biblios, that's a lot of possibilities.. 09:14 kf hm 09:14 kf what command did you use for indexing? 09:15 dcook rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -z 09:15 dcook Then I tried the same but with -r instead of -z just to try to start over 09:15 dcook It was indexing just fine a few weeks ago, and I don't think I've added anything...(this is just my dev install) 09:15 kf wonder if it would work without the x... but you would still have to fix it somewhow 09:20 dcook Yep, no problem without the x 09:20 dcook Well, no error messages 09:20 dcook Must be a bad xml record somewhere in there.. 09:21 kf there is a new script to find bad records 09:21 kf slice... something 09:21 kf I haven#t used it yet, but I think it's in the same directory as the rebuild_zebra script 09:22 dcook Hmm, I remember seeing that recently too 09:22 dcook Ahh...I wonder if it's because I'm on an old branch.. 09:22 * dcook facepalm 09:23 kf oh 09:28 dcook Yep...when I reindex on master, no problems 09:29 * dcook thinks that he is too sleepy at this point 09:34 dcook all right, night #koha 09:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #71: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/71/ 09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out 09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging 09:40 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail 09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label 09:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out 09:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label 09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome 09:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail 09:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label 09:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome 09:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #278 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:41 kf hm i got a question for duplicate checking call numbers 10:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #278: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/278/ 10:18 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail 10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label 10:18 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label 10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome 10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail 10:18 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget' 10:18 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary 10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices 10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label 10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome 10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget' 10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary 10:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #72 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices 10:22 alohabot Hi mib_n23e2u, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 10:23 mib_n23e2u hello 10:23 wahanui niihau, mib_n23e2u 10:24 mib_n23e2u how to customize intranet interface. 10:24 mib_n23e2u ?? 10:24 mib_n23e2u anybody 10:52 BobB mib_n23e2u: Have you read the manual? 10:52 BobB http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/administration.html#staffprefs 10:53 BobB Scroll down to 1.15 10:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #72: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/72/ 10:59 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches 10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget' 10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9655 - Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups 10:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary 10:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices 10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client 10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget' 10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9655 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups 10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary 10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices 11:25 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ataurrehman: "A new version of #TLS v. 1.7 having #Kohails 3.10.3+ #DSpace + #Joomla is available to download from SourceForge. https://t.co/KDiI57lzMF" 11:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ataurrehman: "A new version of #TLS v. 1.7 having #kohails 3.10.3+ #DSpace + #Joomla is available to download from SourceForge. https://t.co/KDiI57lzMF" 12:26 drojf BobB: looks like that wasn't the expected answer 13:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @nengard: "#kohacon13 registration & call for speakers open: http://t.co/91QfnliqCv join us in Reno, NV for free this year! #opensource #kohails" 13:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "KohaCon13 Registration and Call for Speakers Open http://t.co/ItE6yneUrX #kohails" 14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #27 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #29 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 14:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #27: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/27/ 14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml 14:06 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 14:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #29: FIXED in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/29/ 14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml 14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #299 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 10 mo ago) 14:07 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 14:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #299: FIXED in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/299/ 14:07 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml 14:07 oleonard Hooray! 14:07 nengard :) 14:08 nengard not me bernardo fixed it :) 14:15 kf bgkriegel++ :) 14:17 oleonard Didn't we previously replace use of "N°" used to mean "number?" http://screencast.com/t/RLZYNO5l 14:17 oleonard I'm not sure what the alternative is, but it's not comfortable to my American eyes anyway 14:17 kf hm I think if it's translatable maybe not a problem? 14:18 kf I could translate it to Nr. in German I guess 14:19 oleonard We use "No." elsewhere, but never by itself (which would be confusing for translations) 14:19 kf it could be 14:19 kf may end up translates as no 14:20 kf so N° is french? 14:21 oleonard Apparently 14:21 kf didn't know that :) 14:21 drojf i thought it is british 14:22 oleonard It's not that it doesn't make sense to me, it just looks odd 14:22 kf koha language confusion :) 14:22 * oleonard won't worry about it 14:22 drojf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numero_sign 14:32 kf and who does use it now? 14:32 kf hm 14:33 drojf typography people :D 14:34 Dyrcona people who know how to use their compose key? 14:34 oleonard I found it used in the patch for Bug 9685 14:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9685 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Allow sort baskets by number 14:48 kf hm that's werid 14:52 allora Hi community ;) 14:52 oleonard Hi allora 14:53 allora is there any documents describe smilarity and defferences about community and liblime edition? 14:53 oleonard Not that the community produces 14:54 oleonard allora: Koha and "Liblime Koha" diverged several versions ago, so I assume they're quite different by now 14:55 drojf only liblime and their customers know what is in there i guess 14:55 allora yeah, right... :) 14:55 allora alright 14:55 oleonard Why do you ask allora? 14:57 allora i need to take a choose, so i have to ask 14:58 allora any documents show development road map? for example will u develop lucene based search or cource reverve module? 14:58 drojf well. if you want to be able to work with and/or get support from the community and use a free and open source software product, you should use koha 14:59 drojf search rewrite? 14:59 wahanui hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 15:00 drojf ^^ there is some info about future devekopments regarding search in koha 15:00 drojf some people are working on solr integration 15:00 oleonard allora: Koha is developed and supported by support companies all over the world. It is contributed to by developers all over the world. "Liblime Koha" is supported by only one company and has no outside contributors. 15:01 oleonard allora: You get none of the advantages of Open Source if you choose "Liblime Koha" 15:01 allora ii. Solr query syntax Up to 6,000 2-4 weeks 15:02 allora :) 15:02 drojf that is development time, not estimated time of arrival though 15:03 allora if i pay for this next distro will contain solr? 15:03 drojf i think you have to speak to jcamins about details :) 15:07 allora next question... if someone/company develops a custom module for my koha version, is there any problem when i need to upgrade koha version? 15:08 oleonard If you pay someone to add functionality to Koha, you should require that they submit it to the Koha project for inclusion, and see it through 15:10 drojf what oleonard says. think "develop for koha", not "develop for me". if the feature can be generalized so it is useful for others too, you can get it into the koha codebase and it is automatically there in upgrades too. if you choose to not contribute but keep it a local change, you will have to adjust it to every upgrade you do 15:11 allora you mean, if you like functionality you can add it global koha distros, right? 15:11 allora ok 15:11 drojf yes. all functionality you see in koha now was contributed by someone 15:11 drojf that is how free and open source software works :) 15:15 drojf allora: if you plan to add functionality it is good practice to put a request for comments on the wiki, or discuss it on the developer mailing list. at least if it is a bigger feature. that way you might get useful input on how to make it useful for everyone 15:16 drojf also check the bug tracker, if somebody is working on it already 15:16 drojf bug tracker? 15:16 wahanui it has been said that bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org 15:18 allora i think luce based search is a big feature. So, i dont think someone can develop this feature for free :) 15:19 oleonard We do not suggest that someone should do so 15:19 allora you are right! 15:20 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=solr&go=Go 15:21 jcamins Why do you want to use Solr/Lucene? 15:21 jcamins And the Solr query syntax is probably not what you want. 15:24 allora its fast (as zebra), has rich facet search functionality, has stemming algor. for other languages and has field boosting 15:25 jcamins The stemming is definitely superior. 15:26 jcamins The faceting is better, though not as much better as everyone thinks. 15:26 jcamins Relevancy adjustments can be made with Zebra too, though. 15:27 jcamins Indeed, a part of the search rewrite addresses relevancy. 15:27 jcamins A part also addresses Solr. 15:27 kf allora: a reserve module has been in the works - bugzilla will know the current status, we have a quite strict qa proces 15:27 kf s 15:28 allora also solr is getting industry standart 15:28 kf allora: where are you located? will you need a translated interface? 15:29 allora yeah, i need arabic and turkish interfaces 15:29 kf dorgetliblime koha then. 15:29 jcamins In that case, LL Koha isn't an option. 15:29 jcamins LL Koha isn't translated. 15:29 allora but it is not problem for me 15:30 kf allora: here you can see the translations for koha: translate.koha-community.org 15:30 drojf ha, i did not know that. although it is obvious when you think about it 15:30 allora i saw... 15:30 kf allora: translation no longer works there, even if you did it yourself, that's the problem 15:30 allora stemming is key feature for me 15:32 allora so, for international use cases solr is a big "requirement" 15:34 kf jcamins: what's the state of stemming in koha? I think something like lingua::snowball or similar was used? 15:34 jcamins You could try LL Koha, but you can't get support from anyone other than LL. 15:35 allora search is very complicated issue if you dial with many languages 15:35 jcamins kf: we don't do significant stemming. 15:35 jcamins allora: I know. That's why I proposed the search rewrite. 15:35 jcamins kf: one of many things I proposed. :) 15:35 drojf stemming has to be turned off when you use icu anyway? 15:36 kf allora: if it's any help... we have search in hebrew for one of our supported libraries working, not stemming, but search itself seems to work well for them 15:36 kf and other like delhi public library use koha too with a lot of different scripts 15:36 jcamins drojf: "stemming" is a bit of a misnomer in that case. 15:37 tcohen morning #koha 15:37 jcamins Morning. 15:37 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast. 15:37 drojf i should probably pay more attention to the linguistic aspects of koha 15:37 gmcharlt @quote random 15:37 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009) 15:38 drojf hi tcohen 15:40 jcamins allora: I am biased, but it is my opinion that the best way to get a system that does what you want would be through the search rewrite. 15:40 jcamins :) 15:41 oleonard In face we are all biased: Under no circumstances will we recommend that you choose "Liblime Koha" 15:41 jcamins Right. 15:41 * kf nods 15:44 drojf isn't there going to be this huge switch of public libraries to koha in turkey? 15:44 jcamins drojf: there is, yes. 15:44 jcamins I want to say I heard that something like 120 libraries are involved. 15:45 drojf allora: have you heard about that? 15:45 drojf i think it was 1200 actually 15:45 kf maybe we scared him/her away now :) 15:45 drojf or not? 15:45 wahanui not is, like, maybe removed from my search 15:45 jcamins drojf: well, I had the 1 and 2 right. 15:46 drojf 0s don't count ;) 15:47 jcamins o.O 15:48 jcamins I have a book published in 1664 with a *fake* letter from the author to someone else dated 1650. 15:48 drojf http://koha-community.org/koha-community-newsletter-january-2013/#turkey 15:48 jcamins Charming and bizarre. 15:48 jcamins Ah. Quite right. 1100. 15:49 drojf how do you know it's a fake letter? 15:51 jcamins It was written in the twentieth century. 15:52 jcamins Maybe late nineteenth. 15:53 kf hm 15:53 kf exporting marc from the cart gives me problems with umlauts? *sigh* 15:54 drojf jcamins: sounds bizarre indeed 15:55 jcamins But charming. 15:56 drojf very! 15:59 kf [off] Innovationsf{under}rdernde Good-Practice-Ans{tilde}tze ? 15:59 jcamins kf: ? 15:59 kf nice umlauts in koha, but when I export from cart and use marcedit on the file I end up with those instead of the diacritics 15:59 kf I am a bit puzzled and had hoped someone had seen it before 16:00 kf also marcedit gives an error 16:00 kf while transforming the file. hm. 16:00 drojf but it looks ok in the file? 16:00 drojf and the file is utf8? 16:00 kf it looks ok in koha... and I told it to be utf-8 I think 16:01 jcamins What error does Marcedit give? 16:01 jcamins I see nothing wrong with that. 16:01 jcamins Marcedit doesn't display diacritics. 16:01 kf sec 16:01 drojf i dont remember it not showing diacritics 16:02 kf jcamins: 3 records were processed in 0,093601 seconds. Some records appear to be invalid and were processed using MarcEdit's loose breaking algorithem. It's recommended that you use the MarcValidator to identify the invalid records 16:02 kf ok, now the relaly weird thing is: the file from the email works. 16:02 jcamins Ah. 16:02 jcamins drojf: it breaks the diacritics to {diacriticname} 16:02 jcamins Or did last time I used it. 16:02 drojf those are not the diacritic names i would expect 16:03 jcamins drojf: yeah, kind of weird diacritics for German. 16:03 kf yep, file using the download option - broken, using the email functinality and the attached file - all good 16:03 * kf is still puzzled 16:04 * drojf puts together the pieces of the kf puzzle 16:04 kf heh thx :) 16:05 kf drojf: don't lose any pieces :) 16:15 jcamins nengard: they're looking for Horton spottings, not Who spottings? 16:18 oleonard jcamins: How could you have a Who spotting when they are too small to see? 16:18 nengard i guess jcaming 16:18 nengard can't type 16:18 nengard jcamins 16:19 jcamins oleonard: you might hear them. :P 16:19 nengard hehe 16:19 oleonard jcamins: Then it would be a Who hearing not a Who spotting :P 16:20 nengard oh boy 16:20 nengard what have i done?? 16:20 jcamins oleonard: I don't know. It's a "spot" a Who was located... it could be a spotting. 16:21 oleonard When they held Who hearings I heard your record on Who spottings was spotty 16:21 jcamins lol 16:22 drojf earspotting 16:22 drojf that sounds like something nasty 16:23 drojf oops, i'm not working. i'll turn you all off so i can't see you 16:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails KohaCon13 Registration and Call for Speakers Open http://t.co/4XSbKXA7XZ" 17:00 rambutan @seen wizzyrea 17:00 huginn rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 15 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> (I haven't looked) can you set a default timeout for a specific page in your apache config? 17:00 rambutan @later tell wizzyrea http://x2t.com/1/wx 17:00 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 17:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @c_sturgeon: "Any #iowatl use @kohails" 17:26 oleonard If I run "prove xt" and it fails because of the new single_quotes test, shouldn't Jenkins also be complaining? 17:26 jcamins oleonard: Jenkins should be yes. 17:26 jcamins Isn't he? 17:27 jcamins !jenkins status 17:27 jenkins_koha status of all projects: 17:27 jenkins_koha 3_6_Packages: last build: 32 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_6_Packages/32/ 17:27 jenkins_koha 3_8_packages: last build: 201 (7 hr 9 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_8_packages/201/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.10.x: last build: 72 (7 hr 9 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/72/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x(disabled) : last build: 36 (1 yr 2 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/36/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x(disabled) : last build: 80 (1 yr 0 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/80/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.6.x: last build: 76 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/76/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 278 (7 hr 46 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/278/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 299 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/299/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.10.x: last build: 29 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/29/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.8.x: last build: 27 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/27/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_master: last build: 1061 (1 day 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1061/ 17:27 jenkins_koha Master_Packages: last build: 205 (1 day 22 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/205/ 17:27 reiveune bye 17:27 jcamins Hm. 17:27 jcamins Apparently not. 17:39 jcamins oleonard: there's already a patch for that. 17:39 jcamins It's awaiting QA. 17:40 oleonard For which file? 17:40 jcamins calendar.inc. 17:40 oleonard Oh, for both. *sigh* 17:40 jcamins Bug 9555 I think. 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Template files contain single quote strings 17:55 tcohen what jobs do jenkins do to check the status of koha sourcE? make? make test? 17:56 jcamins tcohen: search on the wiki for "jenkins" 17:56 tcohen thx 17:56 jcamins Or "continuous integration." 17:56 jcamins One of those should bring you to the page with the jenkins script. 18:02 Morthland Hey all, My Koha started giving me this error this past weekend: Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server. 18:08 oleonard Morthland: Go on... 18:10 kf bye all 18:13 Morthland My 18:13 Morthland Hmm. 18:13 Morthland it would seem that apache2.conf is reset to a default. 18:14 Morthland as is my ports.conf 18:23 * jcamins wonders if paul_p is related to René Poulain, the wine expert. 18:24 libsysguy Morthland you probably did an update to apache and the package maintainers version overwrote your symlinked one 18:25 libsysguy or edited one 18:25 libsysguy whatever you do 18:35 Morthland Yeah. 18:35 Morthland I figured it out. 18:35 Morthland My IT ran an update. 18:38 jcamins bgkriegel: hello. I hope you are thinking of running for a position during the 3.14 release cycle? :) 18:38 bgkriegel hehe 18:39 bgkriegel I was thinking about 18:40 jcamins :D 18:46 rangi i need someone to take over rmaint :) 18:46 bgkriegel that's too much :) 18:47 jcamins RMaint was fun. :) 18:47 rangi its less than QA 18:47 rangi by the time a patch gets to rmaint 18:47 jcamins But after being RM, I would prefer not to run for anything. 18:47 rangi its been signed off, qaed, checked by the release maintainer 18:47 rangi its just checking it doesnt bust the stable branch and is it a feature or not 18:47 oleonard jcamins: Didn't you hear? We've made it a lifetime appointment. 18:48 jcamins oleonard: I did hear. 18:48 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14 18:48 * jcamins will declare that his life is over May 22, thereby opening the way for someone else. 18:49 rangi heh 18:49 rangi qa is actually one of the most important roles 18:49 jcamins It definitely is. 18:49 rangi the better job they do, the easier everyone elses job is 18:50 jcamins Oh, you put yourself on the docket for QA! Awesome! 18:50 * rangi is gonna put his money where his mouth is 18:50 bgkriegel :) 18:53 bgkriegel rangi: Bug 8917, make any sense what I wrote? 18:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha 18:55 tcohen how many bucks do one gets for picking rmaint position? 18:56 jcamins tcohen: that's part of the problem... there's no funding for anything. 18:56 oleonard tcohen: An unlimited supply of "Koha bucks" which unfortunately are not redeemable for anything 18:57 Morthland How do I hide the IP address? 18:57 jcamins Morthland: hide the IP address? 18:57 Morthland I mean, our site is http://opac.morthland.org 18:58 jcamins Right. 18:58 Morthland but when you go there, it simply shows our IP address 18:59 jcamins You tell IT to fix it. 18:59 bgkriegel there is something in your http server configuration 18:59 tcohen heh jcamins oleonard 19:00 Morthland How can I change that so it shows opac.morthland.org/whatever/whatever.pl? 19:00 jcamins You need to get your IT folks to point opac.morthland.org to your Koha server. 19:00 jcamins *at 19:01 rangi it does, but the authnotrequired overrides that anyway 19:02 rangi ie, you dont declare the permissions needed, because none are needed 19:02 rangi ill declare an empty one 19:02 rangi but probably a better fix is to not check permissions when auth is not required 19:03 bgkriegel ok. But you have no problem. What could be the difference? 19:03 rangi ie no point doing a loop we dont have to 19:05 * rangi has to take the kids to school bbiab 19:07 Morthland I run our apache server. 19:07 Morthland I should go to apache IRC, I guess. 19:07 jcamins Morthland: oh, that makes it easy. 19:08 jcamins Rather than using a redirect, just point DNS to the Koha server. 19:08 jcamins Or use a reverse proxy setup, if there's a reason you can't serve Koha off of port 80. 19:09 Morthland Reverse Proxy? 19:10 nengard for some reason one of my Koha VMs isn't finding the ccsr files - any ideas on how to fetch them down from git? 19:10 oleonard nengard: Wouldn't that be a problem with your branch? 19:10 jcamins nengard: git fetch origin && git checkout origin/master 19:11 nengard oleonard could be and so i'll try jcamins tips 19:11 jcamins Additional steps are necessary, obviously, if you want to do anything other than run master. 19:11 jcamins Morthland: yeah, if you have Koha on port 90 because, e.g, nginx is on port 80, set up a virtual host on port 80 that just forwards requests to port 90. 19:12 nengard hmmm 19:12 nengard that didn't work 19:12 nengard image coming 19:12 jcamins In that case either your remote is not called "origin" or you did not originally check out from git.k-c.org. 19:13 nengard i did a fetch and there was nothing to fetch 19:13 nengard cause i did a fetch this morning 19:13 nengard but when i use ccsr i see: http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG 19:14 nengard on my other computer (same vm set up) it looks a-ok so i know it's not a bug and it's a problem with my repo in some way 19:14 oleonard nengard: Are you on a branch with changes? 19:14 jcamins Could you summarize what you see? 19:14 nengard nope 19:14 nengard no changes 19:14 nengard not nope to jcamins :) 19:14 jcamins I can't view the screenshot. 19:14 oleonard What does git log say is the last commit? 19:15 nengard jcamins i see the prog theme with the list and cart buttons in the top left like it's trying to do ccsr but can't find the images/backgrounds etc 19:15 nengard oleonard 19:15 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 19:15 nengard HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master 19:15 oleonard That's correct. Have you cleared your browser cache? 19:15 nengard shift refresh like 5 times 19:16 oleonard What does Firebug say in its console? 19:16 * cait waves 19:17 nengard oleonard nothing ? 19:17 nengard hi cait 19:17 cait hi nengard and oleonard 19:18 oleonard nengard: Firebug would show errors if there were missing assets (i.e. CSS files which were not where they should be) 19:18 nengard hmmm 19:18 nengard well the console is on the 'all' tab and there is nothing there 19:18 nengard this makes no sense 19:19 cait what are we missing? :) 19:19 nengard interesting ? console shows stuff for other pages 19:19 nengard just not my vm 19:19 nengard could it be a vm thing? 19:19 nengard and cait i'm having an issue with ccsr on one of my vms 19:19 nengard HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master 19:19 nengard not the right thing to paste 19:19 nengard http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG 19:19 oleonard nengard: Maybe your browser is pointing at the wrong site? 19:20 nengard how so? 19:20 oleonard More than one instance of Koha running? 19:20 nengard hmmm 19:20 oleonard nengard: If you switch the opac theme to prog does it look correct? 19:20 nengard shouldn't be - but let me kill the vm and start it again 19:20 nengard and yes 19:20 * cait was missing the icons on the homepage earlier today... thought it was that 19:20 nengard it looks right with prog 19:21 cait will have to check again later 19:21 jcamins nengard: and `git status` doesn't do something like tell you that every single CCSR file was removed, right? 19:21 nengard hang on it's restarting 19:22 nengard git status is a-ok 19:22 nengard and the server was restarted and it's still looking all wrong 19:22 nengard no other instances running that i know of 19:22 oleonard nengard: When you view source does it show that it's looking for files in /opac-tmpl/ccsr/" ? 19:22 nengard i have the weirdest problems 19:23 nengard yes 19:23 nengard <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css/opac.css" /> 19:23 nengard and more 19:23 oleonard What happens if you click that link in the view source window? 19:23 nengard i see a css file 19:26 nengard i assume it's the right css file 19:26 nengard maybe it's a combo of prefs ? maybe it is a bug? 19:27 oleonard Custom CSS preference? 19:29 nengard hmm 19:29 nengard they're all blank 19:30 nengard nothing special in there 19:30 gaetan_B bye ! 19:32 nengard how can i pull down a fresh repo 19:32 nengard i don't have anything special on here - i just use it when on the road doing demos 19:32 nengard ? like i will be tomorrow 19:33 bgkriegel the standard clone, git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone 19:34 nengard i don't have to delete anything first? 19:34 oleonard I would think you would have to delete kohaclone first 19:34 nengard yup 19:34 nengard just figured that out :) 19:34 bgkriegel well, I rename kohaclone (o delete) 19:38 nengard k re-cloning ? fingers crossed 19:42 tcohen git reset --hard origin/master 19:44 nengard well that didn't work 19:45 nengard what the heck 19:45 nengard it's fine on my other computer i don't do anything except fetch and rebase daily 19:45 bgkriegel can you see in your logs? 19:46 bgkriegel koha-opac-error_log 19:46 tcohen what's the issue nengard? 19:46 tcohen (evidence of it) 19:47 nengard tcohen when i'm using ccsr i see this: http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG 19:47 bgkriegel tcohen: ccsr is not behaving 19:48 nengard bgkriegel what do i type to see that log? 19:48 nengard from what directory? 19:48 tcohen maybe a non-propietary OS? 19:48 tcohen (just kidding) 19:48 nengard hmmm 19:48 wizzyrea firebug doesn't say you are missing something like mobile.css? 19:48 nengard firebug says nothing 19:48 nengard at all 19:48 nengard which is strange 19:48 wizzyrea clear the cache. 19:48 bgkriegel try tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log 19:48 bgkriegel and reload 19:49 bgkriegel (if your logs are there) 19:49 nengard tail: cannot open `/var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log' for reading: No such file or directory 19:49 wizzyrea yea because you need to sudo 19:49 nengard nope 19:49 jcamins nengard: you did a standard install from git? 19:50 nengard sudo didn't do it 19:50 nengard yes 19:50 wizzyrea then your logs aren't there. 19:50 nengard yup ?. 19:50 wizzyrea it's gonna be /home/nengard/koha-dev/log 19:50 wizzyrea or something 19:50 wahanui rumour has it something is wrong 19:50 wizzyrea just ls around in there until you find it 19:50 wizzyrea it'll be there. 19:51 nengard found 19:51 wizzyrea awesome. 19:51 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea 19:51 wizzyrea yusss 19:51 wizzyrea what does the awesome jar pay for? 19:51 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:52 nengard [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] [error] [client 192.168.56.1] [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /home/nengard/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 840., referer: http://kohavm/ 19:52 wizzyrea naw 19:52 bgkriegel only line? 19:52 wizzyrea that's normal. 19:52 nengard no 19:52 nengard just didn't want to spam the chat :) 19:52 nengard pasting 19:52 wizzyrea did you clear your browser cache? 19:52 nengard one sec 19:53 bgkriegel many times 19:53 nengard wizzyrea i did shift-refresh ? many time 19:53 nengard s 19:53 wizzyrea no, go into the settings and clear it properly 19:53 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "log" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/402 19:53 wizzyrea that stuff is normal and not even from today 19:53 nengard today is the 26th 19:54 nengard in the US :) 19:54 wizzyrea it's not 7pm? 19:54 wizzyrea and it's not 7am 19:54 nengard 2pm 19:54 nengard 14:17 19:54 nengard 2:17 19:54 wizzyrea oh sorry you're right 19:54 wizzyrea i mean, I just didn't see the 14 19:54 * tcohen really hates those concatenation errors, he silently squashes those anytime hi sends a patch trying people not tu realise it 19:55 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "another paste" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/403 19:55 nengard anyway, nothing out of the ordinary 19:55 bgkriegel nengard: what browser are you using? 19:55 wizzyrea no that's normal - somewhat telling is that it cna't find the ccsr favicon 19:55 nengard ff 19:55 wizzyrea but I"m not sure that exists. 19:56 tcohen bye #koha 19:56 nengard installing ff update 19:57 nengard and chrome 19:57 nengard it's the same in both 19:57 wizzyrea for kicks, restart apache in your vm? 19:57 bgkriegel in any, try to delete history, not all, just clean the cache 19:58 bgkriegel Ctrl+Shift+Del in ff 20:00 nengard hang on phone ? 20:01 wizzyrea nengard do you have a language enabled? 20:02 nengard no 20:02 wizzyrea and if you flip it off everything is ok? 20:03 nengard if i change to prog everything is okay 20:03 nengard i cleared my cache - but it was a problem in chrome and ff 20:03 nengard so that didn't help 20:03 nengard it's still ugly 20:04 bgkriegel :( 20:04 nengard yeah 20:04 nengard it's a puzzler 20:04 bgkriegel when I see somethng like this, there were missing files 20:04 nengard and this is the computer i use for training/demoing - i use the other one for testings/signing off 20:04 nengard that's what i thought it was originally 20:04 wizzyrea do you have the ccsr files? 20:04 nengard but i just did a new pull fresh git 20:04 wizzyrea did you restart apache in your vm? 20:05 nengard yes - i seem to - i clicked on the link to the ccsr css and it opened the file 20:05 wizzyrea just for fun. 20:05 wizzyrea maybe you are out of disk space in your VM? 20:05 wizzyrea that sounds like madness 20:05 nengard nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css$ ls 20:05 nengard babeltheque.css datatables.css jquery.rating.css opac.css sco.css 20:05 nengard colors.css hierarchy.css mobile.css print.css 20:06 nengard hmm - how do i check disk space? 20:06 nengard i use virtualbox 20:06 wizzyrea df -h 20:06 wizzyrea in your vm 20:06 nengard i'm A-OK on space 20:06 nengard 8% full :) 20:07 wizzyrea so not that then. 20:07 bgkriegel file permissions? 20:07 wizzyrea ooh yes permissions 20:07 wizzyrea ls -lah would show you 20:07 nengard in which folder? 20:07 nengard the ccsr folder? 20:07 wizzyrea ccsr 20:08 wizzyrea but obv apache can read them because firebug says it can see them 20:08 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "permissions" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/404 20:08 nengard firebug shows nothing in the console - nothing at all 20:08 nengard but if i view source and click on a css file it opens the code 20:09 nengard no errors 20:09 wizzyrea seems odd they're not executable 20:09 wizzyrea maybe 20:09 nengard so change all files to 777 20:09 nengard since it's a VM anyway? 20:09 nengard not like it can be hacked 20:10 nengard :) 20:10 wizzyrea 755 would do 20:11 * wizzyrea accidentally wiped out her git repo yesterday too 20:11 bgkriegel none of my files are executable, and ccsr is ok 20:12 wizzyrea fortunately I had just pushed the things I needed to. 20:12 wizzyrea ccsr was ok for me too 20:12 rangi [5~/ws 23 20:12 rangi heh 20:12 rangi its gonna be one of those days 20:12 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "updated permissions" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/405 20:13 nengard no luck 20:13 nengard wizzyrea i did a fresh repo at the start of this ? wiped out the old one 20:14 wizzyrea OH nengard 20:14 nengard OH? 20:14 wizzyrea you have a custom CSS file defined in the sysprefs? 20:14 nengard no 20:14 nengard nothing 20:14 wizzyrea change it to colors.css 20:14 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right 20:14 nengard they're all empty 20:14 jcamins css files do not need to be executable. 20:14 wizzyrea put in 20:15 wizzyrea colors.css and opac.css 20:15 wizzyrea in the proper places 20:15 wizzyrea then it will work I think 20:15 * wizzyrea will illustrate one moment 20:15 nengard HA 20:15 nengard That was it 20:15 wizzyrea yusss 20:15 nengard wizzyrea++ 20:15 nengard wizzyrea++ 20:15 nengard you get it twice :) 20:16 nengard so darn simple!!! 20:16 wizzyrea pft 20:16 wizzyrea but ty, glad it's working 20:16 wizzyrea if you had looked at the source, you probably would have seen 20:16 wizzyrea that it was pointing to prog/en/colors.css 20:16 wizzyrea and prog/en/opac.css 20:16 wizzyrea because that's what the defaults are 20:16 wizzyrea if you put in opac.css, it looks in the directory for the theme 20:17 wizzyrea it's probably a bug 20:17 wizzyrea so it's safer to populate those sysprefs 20:18 bgkriegel well done :) 20:21 bgkriegel has anyone tried Enhanced content from Babeltheque? 20:22 nengard I haven't 20:23 nengard cause you have to pay ? don't you? 20:24 bgkriegel ah, was trying to test an enhancement from biblibre 20:24 nengard changing back to my other computer now that this is fixed - brb 20:27 cait bgkriegel: sorry, no - maybe check for regressions and note that? 20:27 bgkriegel hi cait.. Ok, i'll do that 20:29 rangi bgkriegel: ill do a fix for 8917 now 20:29 cait morning rangi 20:29 magnuse bug 8917 20:29 rangi hey cait 20:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha 20:29 * magnuse waves 20:29 rangi hiya magnuse 20:29 magnuse kia ora rangi 20:31 bgkriegel rangi: ok, is a nice feature 20:31 rangi yeah, albany have been using it for a while 20:31 cait yep 20:31 cait very interesting feature 20:32 rangi im thinking i might add persona logins to staff side too next 20:33 jcamins Yay! 20:34 magnuse rangi++ 20:35 * magnuse wanders off 20:35 rangi cya magnuse 21:12 rangi bgkriegel++ # thanks for the sign off 21:12 bgkriegel :) 21:12 bgkriegel now push for QA 21:14 drojf more privacy warnings needed :P 21:14 eythian hi 21:14 wahanui niihau, eythian 21:14 rangi send a patch :) 21:15 drojf i'll add it to mine. one day :) 21:15 rangi it would be easy to check the syspref when a user logs in and say, external links are being tracked 21:15 drojf but seriously, cool feature 21:15 rangi there's not much value in tracking it to a borrower, for a public library 21:15 drojf that is what i do with all privacy-relevant sysprefs :) 21:15 rangi since most ppl arent logged in 21:15 drojf or, plan to do 21:16 rangi but for special libraries, where the whole opac is behind the login, it might be useful 21:18 oleonard See you later #koha 21:19 wizzyrea bye! 21:20 pastebot "bgkriegel" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git bz error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/406 21:21 bgkriegel have a problem with git bz 21:21 wizzyrea well that's a new one. it does that for only one patch or all of them? 21:21 bgkriegel only this 21:21 wahanui only this is probably a neverending story somehow 21:21 bgkriegel :) 21:21 wizzyrea forget only this 21:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot only this 21:22 wizzyrea i would just do that one by hand then 21:22 wizzyrea with git format-patch origin 21:22 wizzyrea then attach the file it generates 21:22 bgkriegel yes, of course 21:22 rangi yeah i suspect htere is a utf8 char in the commit message or something 21:22 rangi and git bz cant handle it 21:22 jcamins o.O 21:22 bgkriegel it is 21:23 bgkriegel is a patch from biblibre 21:23 bgkriegel ok, i'll attach it 21:23 wizzyrea you could git commit --amend and get rid of the character 21:23 wizzyrea if you can find it 21:23 rangi its probably totally valid 21:23 rangi its just python being a dumb head 21:24 wizzyrea dumkopf 21:24 wizzyrea is my favourite way to say that 21:26 drojf dummkopf? :) 21:27 wizzyrea yes that 21:31 drojf http://rt.com/news/vader-storms-justice-ukraine-493/ 21:44 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "2 more library cards for my #kohails wall, 1 from sweden and one from crawford county usa" 21:53 rangi http://munkagard.bibkat.se/ <-- swedish one 21:54 wizzyrea ok the facebook thing on there is simultaneously neat and ugly. I like the idea of it though 21:55 wizzyrea also the swedish word for "tweet" is awesome 21:55 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:56 jcamins Facebook thing? 21:56 wizzyrea the pics of people who like the catalog 21:56 wizzyrea or selected folks. 21:56 eythian I don't see that at all...where is it? 21:57 rangi you probably have to be logged in ? 21:57 * eythian looks for a browser without all my "block everything" plugins... 21:57 wizzyrea oh possibly you hav eto be logged in 21:57 eythian are you logged in? 21:57 rangi to facebook i mean 21:57 wizzyrea I probably have a cookiees 21:57 eythian oh right 21:57 bgkriegel No, I see it in the main page 21:58 wizzyrea http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2471/selection060.png 21:58 jcamins Interesting. 21:58 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:58 jcamins Yeah, I have all that blocked. 21:58 eythian oh right, I don't get that at all, but I don't have bookface logged in here 21:59 eythian and I have facebook tracking stuff blocked. 22:01 eythian https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/sharemenot/ <-- related 22:03 magnuse hey, Munkagård is one of my customers! so cool they sent a card! :-) 22:03 rangi yep they said you asked them to :) 22:03 magnuse hehe, i did 22:05 magnuse well, more suggested than asked, i hope :-) 22:06 rangi :) 22:07 cait magnuse: you didn#t threaten to turn off their opac? :P 22:07 wizzyrea hehe 22:07 magnuse hehe, nah, thought i'd save that for the next round ;-) 22:08 wizzyrea hrm, where does one set the "reserve fee" 22:09 jcamins Item types? 22:09 wahanui Item types are used to define circulation rules, so you may want to keep them separate from search-related categorization 22:09 wizzyrea hm I see rental fee 22:09 wizzyrea I looked in the circ rules too 22:10 wizzyrea AHA 22:10 wizzyrea it's patron categories 23:32 eythian wahanui: wombat 23:32 wahanui eythian: excuse me? 23:33 eythian wahanui: wombat is <reply>wombats have cubic poo. 23:33 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:33 eythian wahanui: wombats is <reply>wombats have cubic poo. 23:33 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:33 wizzyrea it's true. 23:33 wahanui I read it on the internet! 23:33 wizzyrea LOL 23:39 bag be eythian 23:39 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub! 23:39 bag !!!! 23:52 dcook lol 23:52 dcook Never a dull moment in #koha :p 23:52 bag heya dcook 23:52 dcook allo bag :)