Time  Nick         Message
01:02 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
01:03 mtompset     I have a question about the "dontmerge" system preference.
01:04 bgkriegel    what's the question?
01:04 wahanui      i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:04 wizzyrea     @quote search ask
01:04 huginn       wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message)
01:04 wizzyrea     @more
01:04 huginn       wizzyrea: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..."
01:05 wizzyrea     @quote get 145
01:05 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
01:05 bgkriegel    :)
01:05 mtompset     dontmerge {dont/do}	automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authority.pl cronjob.
01:05 wizzyrea     the first question
01:05 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
01:05 mtompset     What does that last sentence mean for a default installation?
01:06 mtompset     I'm trying to figure out if I should enable a merge_authority.pl cronjob. :P
01:06 bgkriegel    by default is off
01:06 mtompset     right, so is the merge_authority.pl cronjob started by default? Or did I misunderstand what it is saying.
01:07 wizzyrea     no, it will not be enabled by default - you would have to turn it on.
01:07 bgkriegel    on cron
01:07 wizzyrea     in cron, yes :)
01:08 mtompset     Ah... okay... so, which cron file to edit? :)
01:08 wizzyrea     how did you install koha?
01:08 mtompset     packages, of course!
01:09 mtompset     we got nice stock install.
01:09 bgkriegel    i think /etc/cron.d/koha-common
01:09 mtompset     but from what you've just told me, there's another step I need to do.
01:09 mtompset     -- going to play with our QA system first. :)
01:10 wizzyrea     yes, probably wise
01:11 mtompset     So let's say I tweak this file koha-common ... won't an upgrade clobber the change?
01:12 wizzyrea     nothing in etc gets nuked afaik
01:12 wizzyrea     eythian ^^
01:13 eythian      that's right
01:13 mtompset     Let's ask jcamins. He knows everything. ;)
01:13 wahanui      no it's not.
01:13 jcamins_     What's the question?
01:13 wahanui      the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:13 eythian      it's a config file, so if there are changes, you'll be asked how you want to install them.
01:13 jcamins_     Routing changed?
01:13 jcamins_     Oh.
01:13 jcamins_     I don't know anything about dontmerge.
01:13 mtompset     so you have never played with merge_authority.pl in the cronjob?
01:14 jcamins_     Never.
01:14 mtompset     Is your dontmerge set to "Do"?
01:15 mtompset     AH... this is another case of backwards naming that confuses people.
01:15 * jcamins    leaves
01:17 * eythian    is opposed to preferences expressed in the negative.
01:17 wizzyrea     do or do not. There is no try
01:19 mtompset     I agree. It makes it confusing.
01:24 mtompset     Also, the phrase in the drop down should match with the description (If you "do merge"...)
01:25 wizzyrea     be rangi
01:25 wahanui      There's a bug for that
01:25 wizzyrea     be rangi
01:25 wahanui      Send a patch!
01:25 cjh          heh
01:25 wizzyrea     there we go
01:26 mtompset     How many 'be rangi' phrases are there?
01:26 wizzyrea     only 2
01:26 wizzyrea     ;)
01:29 eythian      you can always add more if you need.
01:29 eythian      excuse
01:29 wahanui      eythian: We're upgrading /dev/null
01:30 mtompset     be drojf
01:30 mtompset     be jcamins
01:30 wahanui      Have some fudge.
01:30 mtompset     be jcamins
01:30 wahanui      Have some fudge.
01:30 mtompset     be oleonard
01:30 mtompset     be wizzyrea
01:30 wahanui      do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
01:30 mtompset     be wizzyrea
01:30 wahanui      do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
01:30 mtompset     Ouch!
01:30 wizzyrea     :)
01:30 wizzyrea     i think it's funny
01:30 mtompset     be eythian
01:30 wahanui      Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
01:31 mtompset     be logbot
01:31 mtompset     be wahanui
01:31 eythian      be wahanui
01:31 wahanui      Look at me! I'm a bot!
01:32 * mtompset   smirks.
01:32 mtompset     be magnuse
01:32 wahanui      let's get rid of marc while we're at it!
01:32 * mtompset   laughs.
01:33 mtompset     be libsysguy
01:34 mtompset     be cait
01:34 mtompset     be kf
01:34 mtompset     I guess only the important people get "be"d. ;)
01:35 bgkriegel    Good bye
01:36 eythian      wahanui: be zippy
01:36 wahanui      HATE it.  I LIKE it.  I HATE it.  I LIKE it.  I HATE it.  I LIKE ... EMOTIONS are SWEEPING over me!!
01:38 mtompset     who is zippy?
01:38 mtompset     zippy?
01:38 wizzyrea     naw, only people who are predictable get be'd
01:39 eythian      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippy_the_Pinhead <-- mtompset
01:40 mtompset     Okay. I thought they might be a regular here. :)
01:40 eythian      wahanui: be zippy
01:40 wahanui      Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
01:40 eythian      wahanui: be zippy
01:40 wahanui      INSIDE, I have the same personality disorder as LUCY RICARDO!!
01:41 eythian      papa: did you get your used carpet?
01:41 papa         eh??
01:41 eythian      <wahanui> Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
01:41 eythian      papa: ^
01:42 papa         I'm stupefied
01:42 mtompset     papa, don't preach... he's in trouble deep. ;)
01:42 eythian      mtompset: annoyingly he doesn't, I was waiting on a chance to pull that line out for years and never had a chance
01:43 papa         I'm not a baby...
01:45 papa         so who built that wahanui?
01:45 papa         and with what purpose I may ask...
01:45 * wizzyrea   innocently looks at eythian
01:45 wizzyrea     so we can do things like
01:45 wizzyrea     reports library?
01:45 wahanui      it has been said that reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
01:46 wizzyrea     or
01:46 papa         or sell carpets...
01:46 eythian      papa: it's always been there, I just discovered it.
01:46 wizzyrea     documentation?
01:46 wahanui      documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
01:46 wizzyrea     or
01:46 eythian      it has a zippy plugin
01:46 wizzyrea     the first question?
01:46 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
01:46 eythian      like the excuses plugin
01:46 eythian      wahanui: status
01:46 wahanui      Since Mon Feb  4 20:59:50 2013, there have been 758 modifications and 280 questions.  I have been awake for 21 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, 0 seconds this session, and currently reference 26222 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
01:46 mtompset     No, no... eythian is keeping his baby (bad/confusing joke). :P
01:47 * wizzyrea   totally got it
01:47 mtompset     But papa didn't, "I'm stupefied"
01:48 mtompset     And it is hard to get if you aren't following the context well.
01:48 mtompset     Not to mention he interrupted the line with Lucy Ricardo?
01:48 eythian      mtompset: also you're having a cause-and-effect reversal, as papa said that before your comment.
01:49 mtompset     It worked in my mind. :P
01:50 trea         some say wahanui was discovered when they broke ground on the construction of the catalyst building back in the early 20th century. some say his true purpose is to list the nine billion names of god, or perhaps to iteratively perfect the ultimate fudge recipe. nobody really knows.
01:51 rangi        predates catalyst :)
01:51 rangi        or at least catalysts involvment in koha
01:52 wizzyrea     lol.
01:52 wizzyrea     but it's STILL FUNNY.
01:52 * mtompset   nods.
01:53 wizzyrea     probably somewhere near the bones of whataitai
01:53 wizzyrea     there's probably a spelling problem there.
01:53 rangi        whaitaitai
01:53 rangi        close tho :)
01:53 wizzyrea     so close >.<
01:54 * wizzyrea   actually knows where that is
01:54 wizzyrea     "according to legend"
02:03 mtompset     you have the map? ;)
02:03 wizzyrea     i do actually
02:04 wizzyrea     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Whanganui-a-Tara
02:04 wizzyrea     aw wikipedia spells it wrong!
02:06 wizzyrea     but no map there
02:06 wizzyrea     the book we have has a map in it :)
02:07 wizzyrea     (i've only read it to spud a gazillion times now)
02:07 rangi        you should go to the museum of city and sea with spud they have a movie about it
02:07 wizzyrea     A!
02:07 wizzyrea     yes. that must happen.
02:08 wizzyrea     i haven't been there yet either
02:08 eythian      neither have I
02:08 eythian      I should do so some time
02:08 cjh          one step further, i've never heard of it :>
02:09 rangi        heh its really good
02:09 rangi        http://www.museumswellington.org.nz/museum-of-wellington-city-and-sea/
02:09 rangi        and free
02:41 bag          freedom!
02:52 eythian      @wunder nzwn
02:52 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 24.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
02:52 eythian      holy crap
02:52 trea         o.O
02:52 eythian      wahanui: holy crap is <action>blesses crap
02:52 wahanui      OK, eythian.
02:53 eythian      wahanui: holy crap
02:53 * wahanui    blesses crap
03:03 wizzyrea     24 really.
03:03 eythian      the little temperature thing on my computer shows it in red when it reaches that.
03:06 * wizzyrea   giggles
03:19 mtompset     Well, time to try to accomplish everything that still won't get done. Have a good day (24 hour period).
03:30 eythian      it seems really bad that Koha runs reports twice
03:30 cjh          runs reports twice?
03:30 wizzyrea     how so
03:31 eythian      first to get the first 20 values, the second to get the count
03:31 cjh          :o
03:31 wizzyrea     hm yes that does seem not good.
03:32 eythian      especially when I have a report that takes over a minute to run once.
03:32 wizzyrea     yea, that definitely explains some things about behaviour I've seen out of the reports module
03:33 wizzyrea     does it time out?
03:33 wizzyrea     speaking of - there ought to be a catch for that
03:33 wizzyrea     "this report is going to return a lot of shit - are you sure you want to run it"
03:34 wizzyrea     or "just download the results"
03:34 eythian      well, it pages for you. That's great, but I think running the query twice is perhaps not optimal.
03:34 rangi        how would you get the count?
03:35 wizzyrea     at least not offer to page a query that has 64000 results
03:35 cjh          is there a reason you cant either count(*) or count the number of results?
03:35 eythian      Well, you don't know how many results there will be until it's run
03:35 rangi        the count(*) is what happens cjh
03:35 rangi        then it runs a query to get the actual results
03:36 cjh          I meant, insert the count(*) into the query, but I guess that could cause issues.
03:36 rangi        yup
03:37 rangi        at least thats what it used to do
03:37 eythian      I think perhaps a checkbox "I expect this report to be slow" and in that case it does it with a one-pass, or an option to only export it to CSV.
03:37 wizzyrea     what if you stopped if the count was over a certain amount?
03:37 dcook        wizzyrea: Doesn't the guided reports script have a cap of something like 10,000 results? It's been a while since I looked but I thought I saw that once
03:37 wizzyrea     and said "are you sure you want to run this it may be resource intensive"
03:37 cjh          wizzyrea: you still cant tell how big is it until it's run, and by then it's too late.
03:37 wizzyrea     by default yea
03:37 wizzyrea     unless you put a limit = more than 10k
03:37 rangi        dcook: it does but you can override it .. in which case, its your own fault
03:38 eythian      also, if it's a slow one, paging is useless anyway.
03:38 eythian      as it'll rerun the query for each page.
03:38 rangi        if you have a decent cache on mysql it will be fast
03:38 rangi        unless someone has done an insert between pages
03:39 wizzyrea     pretty likely on things like items or statistics
03:39 eythian      not if it's an operation on the stats table, I suspect that there are too many rows to cache
03:39 eythian      my report isn't using the query cache, anyway
03:39 eythian      though I haven't attempted to tune the mysql params for it
03:40 rangi        some things are just dumb to try and do in a single sql statement too
03:41 wizzyrea     that's not going to stop people trying ^.^
03:41 rangi        nope but if htey do, they wont know its gonna take ages so wont check the checkbox
03:42 wizzyrea     could we make the timeout smarter on that page?
03:42 rangi        what timeout?
03:42 eythian      It's largely outside the control of perl
03:42 rangi        yeah thats apache and/or your browser
03:43 wizzyrea     like... check to see how long it's been with no response? I'm not saying I have an actual way of doing it in mind
03:43 wizzyrea     mostly because I don't know if that's actually possible.
03:43 eythian      Well, I think timing it and suggesting that it not be displayed on future runs could be useful.
03:43 wizzyrea     but.. impossible things don't have to be impossible forever :P
03:43 eythian      If it takes more than, say, 60 seconds, suggest that it be exported by default.
03:44 wizzyrea     (I haven't looked) can you set a default timeout for a specific page in your apache config?
03:45 eythian      probably
03:45 eythian      but reverse proxies and such make it harder.
03:45 eythian      a persistent ajax-y thing would perhaps be better.
03:45 Guest257     what about backgrounding it?
03:46 wizzyrea1    IRC has gone mad.
03:47 cjh          you done broke it good.
03:48 wizzyrea1    http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Blog/BlogEntry201109x2 something like this
04:17 mtj          hi all, i've got a weird git question….
04:18 mtj          if i reset my koha repo to the v3.08.06 tag, with 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' ...
04:19 mtj          why does git not reset my repo to the expected commit, but sets it to its  parent?
04:20 mtj          the expected commit is… afaict bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03
04:20 mtj          http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=tag;h=refs/tags/v3.08.06
04:22 mtj          yet a 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' resets my repo to  1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa
04:22 mtj          1d5c2c4 is bd5bb85's  parent commit… weird?!
04:24 mtj          any ideas what im doing worng?
04:25 * dcook      takes a gander
04:26 dcook        So bd5bb85 is the expected commit?
04:27 dcook        That's definitely what I get when I run the same git command you provided
04:27 mtj          ah ok, so … only me then
04:28 mtj          mason@build64:~/git/koha$ git reset --hard v3.08.06
04:28 mtj          HEAD is now at 1d5c2c4 Merge remote-tracking branch 'tamil/3.8.6-translate' into 3.8.x
04:28 mtj          im happy to click that its just my problem
04:29 dcook        It does seem rather bizarre
04:30 mtj          im going for a re-clone
04:35 mtj          thanks for the brain-slap dcook :)
04:36 dcook        No worries, mtj. Always good to have another perspective :)
06:01 cjh          mtj: git show v3.08.06
06:01 cjh          it is possible that you have moved the tag in your local copy, or that the tag has changed since.
06:02 cjh          although (unless you have configured otherwise), a pull or fetch should get/update any tags that are still attached to branches.
06:03 cjh          well, attached to any branches which you are fetching (default: all)
06:03 cjh          could try a `git fetch --tags` to get it to fetch all tags.
06:04 pastebot     "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git show" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/401
06:04 mtj          thanks cjh
06:05 mtj          weird, for me…. i still get the wrong/parent commit, not the one i expect
06:05 cjh          yeah, your local tag doesnt match the remote tag.
06:05 cjh          your git show is: 1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa
06:05 cjh          for me it is bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03 (like you expected it to be)
06:06 mtj          ok ok… so its still my local repo is futzed somehow :) all good
06:06 cjh          did you try a git fetch --tags and then try a show again?
06:07 mtj          yep, still borked
06:08 cjh          hmm --tags should get them all, are you sure you are looking at the right remote?
06:08 mtj          np, its not a critial dev repo here, just a tmp repo
06:09 mtj          yes, i seem to be
06:10 mtj          i could rm/add my 'origin' repo, to force a refresh of those tags, perhaps....
06:10 mtj          ...but i'll prolly just re-clone, rather than attempt to fix it
06:10 mtj          im not *that* curious :p
06:11 cjh          that shouldnt be needed, I am really interested now :D
06:11 cjh          a clone is probably your best bet (simplest and quickest)
06:12 mtj          yep, thanks for 'git show' tip , its a new one for me :)
06:13 cjh          you can also use `git remote -vv` to check your remotes, im wondering if maybe your git fetch isnt pulling from koha-community.
06:13 mtj          hmmm, well its not actually :/
06:14 cjh          success?
06:14 mtj          its pulling from a local mirror of kc.org (to save bandwidth)
06:14 cjh          and how up-to-date is your local mirror?
06:14 * cait       waves
06:14 cjh          morning/afternoon cait \o
06:15 cait         :)
06:15 mtj          so, my local mirror repo prolly has the glitch there…
06:15 mtj          cjh, repo updated every day from kc.org, via cron
06:15 cjh          mtj: you can set up git to have multiple remotes if you want, so I have our local mirror as well as a remote for upsteam.
06:16 mtj          hi cait
06:17 mtj          hmm, ill take a better look at my git thing a bit later, will keep you posted cjh
06:18 mtj          (i'll attempt to come up with a theory for you)
06:18 cjh          hehe no biggy if you don't, if it isn't a big deal for you then you can just ignore it :)
06:27 dcook        Does anyone know if "coded_location_qualifier" was added to the items table recently? It doesn't show up in schema spy and I just notice it in my dev install...
06:27 * dcook      isn't seeing it in updatedatabase though...
06:27 dcook        Oh wait, there it is
06:28 dcook        Not sure why Chrome's find decided to jerk me around there..
06:29 cait         hi dcook
06:29 dcook        hey cait :)
07:19 reiveune     hello
07:19 wahanui      niihau, reiveune
07:27 alex_a       bonjour
07:34 * magnuse    waves
07:34 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:34 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:34 magnuse      @wunder konstanz
07:34 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.2°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:34 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
07:34 magnuse      yikes!
07:39 cait         magnuse: hope they fix that before we get there
07:42 magnuse      yup!
07:43 magnuse      patches welcome!
07:45 dcook        Hmm?
07:48 cait         the weather in marseille :)
08:09 christophe_c hello all
08:10 rangi        hi christophe_c
08:11 christophe_c hi rangi
08:14 dcook        salut, christophe_c
08:15 francharb    hello
08:15 dcook        hey francharb
08:15 wahanui      francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
08:16 dcook        O_o
08:17 francharb    0/ dcook
08:17 francharb    ;)
08:20 kf           hi #koha
08:20 rangi        hi francharb and kf
08:20 kf           @wunder Konstanz
08:20 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -2.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
08:20 kf           hi rangi and francharb
08:20 francharb    hello rangi kf
08:20 rangi        @wunder nzwn
08:20 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
08:21 francharb    @wunder lyon france
08:21 huginn       francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:21 dcook        @wunder Sydney, Australia
08:21 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (7:00 PM EST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:22 rangi        @wunder perth, australia
08:22 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Perth, Western Australia is 37.0°C (4:00 PM WST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:22 rangi        thats stupid!!
08:22 magnuse      too hot!
08:22 * rangi      has to go to perth next week
08:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #277 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:22 * francharb  cant wait for teleportation
08:22 francharb    ;)
08:23 dcook        Whoa..
08:23 dcook        Teleportation would be sweet, but dear god Perth..
08:23 francharb    ahahah
08:23 dcook        And I was complaining about the heat earlier in the day...I would've melted in Perth
08:24 dcook        Although +43 back in January wasn't as bad as I thought it would be..
08:24 christophe_c hi dcook
08:28 dcook        wb, francharb
08:29 francharb    :)
08:57 cjh          wow 37 degrees, that is a bit too warm.
08:59 rangi        im not touching that email
09:00 * magnuse    has tried +42 - not fun!
09:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #277: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/277/
09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
09:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
09:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #71 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:04 kf           rangi: aaaw
09:04 kf           me neither
09:04 kf           I guess explaining it would not make it easier... and I have no idea what he/she is trying to do
09:05 rangi        neither do they :)
09:12 gaetan_B     hello
09:12 wahanui      hello, gaetan_B
09:13 dcook        Hmm, any tips on troubleshooting this indexing error?
09:13 kf           what is your error?
09:13 drojf        good morning #koha
09:13 dcook        Entity: line 248: parser error : XML declaration allowed only at the start of the document
09:13 dcook        <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
09:13 dcook        ^
09:13 dcook        19:47:45-26/02 zebraidx(3149) [warn] extract error: generic
09:14 dcook        With 8184 biblios, that's a lot of possibilities..
09:14 kf           hm
09:14 kf           what command did you use for indexing?
09:15 dcook        rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -z
09:15 dcook        Then I tried the same but with -r instead of -z just to try to start over
09:15 dcook        It was indexing just fine a few weeks ago, and I don't think I've added anything...(this is just my dev install)
09:15 kf           wonder if it would work without the x... but you would still have to fix it somewhow
09:20 dcook        Yep, no problem without the x
09:20 dcook        Well, no error messages
09:20 dcook        Must be a bad xml record somewhere in there..
09:21 kf           there is a new script to find bad records
09:21 kf           slice... something
09:21 kf           I haven#t used it yet, but I think it's in the same directory as the rebuild_zebra script
09:22 dcook        Hmm, I remember seeing that recently too
09:22 dcook        Ahh...I wonder if it's because I'm on an old branch..
09:22 * dcook      facepalm
09:23 kf           oh
09:28 dcook        Yep...when I reindex on master, no problems
09:29 * dcook      thinks that he is too sleepy at this point
09:34 dcook        all right, night #koha
09:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #71: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/71/
09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
09:40 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
09:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
09:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
09:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
09:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
09:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
09:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #278 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:41 kf           hm i got a question for duplicate checking call numbers
10:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #278: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/278/
10:18 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
10:18 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
10:18 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:18 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
10:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #72 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
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10:23 mib_n23e2u   hello
10:23 wahanui      niihau, mib_n23e2u
10:24 mib_n23e2u   how to customize intranet interface.
10:24 mib_n23e2u   ??
10:24 mib_n23e2u   anybody
10:52 BobB         mib_n23e2u: Have you read the manual?
10:52 BobB         http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/administration.html#staffprefs
10:53 BobB         Scroll down to 1.15
10:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #72: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/72/
10:59 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches
10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9655 - Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
10:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
10:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9655 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
10:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
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14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #27 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #29 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
14:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #27: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/27/
14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:06 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
14:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #29: FIXED in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/29/
14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #299 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 10 mo ago)
14:07 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
14:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #299: FIXED in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/299/
14:07 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:07 oleonard     Hooray!
14:07 nengard      :)
14:08 nengard      not me bernardo fixed it :)
14:15 kf           bgkriegel++ :)
14:17 oleonard     Didn't we previously replace use of "N°" used to mean "number?" http://screencast.com/t/RLZYNO5l
14:17 oleonard     I'm not sure what the alternative is, but it's not comfortable to my American eyes anyway
14:17 kf           hm I think if it's translatable maybe not a problem?
14:18 kf           I could translate it to Nr. in German I guess
14:19 oleonard     We use "No." elsewhere, but never by itself (which would be confusing for translations)
14:19 kf           it could be
14:19 kf           may end up translates as no
14:20 kf           so N° is french?
14:21 oleonard     Apparently
14:21 kf           didn't know that :)
14:21 drojf        i thought it is british
14:22 oleonard     It's not that it doesn't make sense to me, it just looks odd
14:22 kf           koha language confusion :)
14:22 * oleonard   won't worry about it
14:22 drojf        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numero_sign
14:32 kf           and who does use it now?
14:32 kf           hm
14:33 drojf        typography people :D
14:34 Dyrcona      people who know how to use their compose key?
14:34 oleonard     I found it used in the patch for Bug 9685
14:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9685 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Allow sort baskets by number
14:48 kf           hm that's werid
14:52 allora       Hi community ;)
14:52 oleonard     Hi allora
14:53 allora       is there any documents describe smilarity and defferences about community and liblime edition?
14:53 oleonard     Not that the community produces
14:54 oleonard     allora: Koha and "Liblime Koha" diverged several versions ago, so I assume they're quite different by now
14:55 drojf        only liblime and their customers know what is in there i guess
14:55 allora       yeah, right... :)
14:55 allora       alright
14:55 oleonard     Why do you ask allora?
14:57 allora       i need to take a choose, so i have to ask
14:58 allora       any documents show development road map? for example will u develop lucene based search or cource reverve module?
14:58 drojf        well. if you want to be able to work with and/or get support from the community and use a free and open source software product, you should use koha
14:59 drojf        search rewrite?
14:59 wahanui      hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
15:00 drojf        ^^ there is some info about future devekopments regarding search in koha
15:00 drojf        some people are working on solr integration
15:00 oleonard     allora: Koha is developed and supported by support companies all over the world. It is contributed to by developers all over the world. "Liblime Koha" is supported by only one company and has no outside contributors.
15:01 oleonard     allora: You get none of the advantages of Open Source if you choose "Liblime Koha"
15:01 allora       ii. Solr query syntax	Up to 6,000	2-4 weeks
15:02 allora       :)
15:02 drojf        that is development time, not estimated time of arrival though
15:03 allora       if i pay for this next distro will contain solr?
15:03 drojf        i think you have to speak to jcamins about details :)
15:07 allora       next question... if someone/company develops a custom module for my koha version, is there any problem when i need to upgrade koha version?
15:08 oleonard     If you pay someone to add functionality to Koha, you should require that they submit it to the Koha project for inclusion, and see it through
15:10 drojf        what oleonard says. think "develop for koha", not "develop for me". if the feature can be generalized so it is useful for others too, you can get it into the koha codebase and it is automatically there in upgrades too. if you choose to not contribute but keep it a local change, you will have to adjust it to every upgrade you do
15:11 allora       you mean, if you like functionality you can add it global koha distros, right?
15:11 allora       ok
15:11 drojf        yes. all functionality you see in koha now was contributed by someone
15:11 drojf        that is how free and open source software works :)
15:15 drojf        allora: if you plan to add functionality it is good practice to put a request for comments on the wiki, or discuss it on the developer mailing list. at least if it is a bigger feature. that way you might get useful input on how to make it useful for everyone
15:16 drojf        also check the bug tracker, if somebody is working on it already
15:16 drojf        bug tracker?
15:16 wahanui      it has been said that bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org
15:18 allora       i think luce based search is a big feature. So, i dont think someone can develop this feature for free :)
15:19 oleonard     We do not suggest that someone should do so
15:19 allora       you are right!
15:20 drojf        http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=solr&go=Go
15:21 jcamins      Why do you want to use Solr/Lucene?
15:21 jcamins      And the Solr query syntax is probably not what you want.
15:24 allora       its fast (as zebra), has rich facet search functionality, has stemming algor. for other languages and has field boosting
15:25 jcamins      The stemming is definitely superior.
15:26 jcamins      The faceting is better, though not as much better as everyone thinks.
15:26 jcamins      Relevancy adjustments can be made with Zebra too, though.
15:27 jcamins      Indeed, a part of the search rewrite addresses relevancy.
15:27 jcamins      A part also addresses Solr.
15:27 kf           allora: a reserve module has been in the works - bugzilla will know the current status, we have a quite strict qa proces
15:27 kf           s
15:28 allora       also solr is getting industry standart
15:28 kf           allora: where are you located? will you need a translated interface?
15:29 allora       yeah, i need arabic and turkish interfaces
15:29 kf           dorgetliblime koha then.
15:29 jcamins      In that case, LL Koha isn't an option.
15:29 jcamins      LL Koha isn't translated.
15:29 allora       but it is not problem for me
15:30 kf           allora: here you can see the translations for koha: translate.koha-community.org
15:30 drojf        ha, i did not know that. although it is obvious when you think about it
15:30 allora       i saw...
15:30 kf           allora: translation no longer works there, even if you did it yourself, that's the problem
15:30 allora       stemming is key feature for me
15:32 allora       so, for international use cases solr is a big "requirement"
15:34 kf           jcamins: what's the state of stemming in koha? I think something like lingua::snowball or similar was used?
15:34 jcamins      You could try LL Koha, but you can't get support from anyone other than LL.
15:35 allora       search is very complicated issue if you dial with many languages
15:35 jcamins      kf: we don't do significant stemming.
15:35 jcamins      allora: I know. That's why I proposed the search rewrite.
15:35 jcamins      kf: one of many things I proposed. :)
15:35 drojf        stemming has to be turned off when you use icu anyway?
15:36 kf           allora: if it's any help... we have search in hebrew for one of our supported libraries working, not stemming, but search itself seems to work well for them
15:36 kf           and other like delhi public library use koha too with a lot of different scripts
15:36 jcamins      drojf: "stemming" is a bit of a misnomer in that case.
15:37 tcohen       morning #koha
15:37 jcamins      Morning.
15:37 wahanui      Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
15:37 drojf        i should probably pay more attention to the linguistic aspects of koha
15:37 gmcharlt     @quote random
15:37 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
15:38 drojf        hi tcohen
15:40 jcamins      allora: I am biased, but it is my opinion that the best way to get a system that does what you want would be through the search rewrite.
15:40 jcamins      :)
15:41 oleonard     In face we are all biased: Under no circumstances will we recommend that you choose "Liblime Koha"
15:41 jcamins      Right.
15:41 * kf         nods
15:44 drojf        isn't there going to be this huge switch of public libraries to koha in turkey?
15:44 jcamins      drojf: there is, yes.
15:44 jcamins      I want to say I heard that something like 120 libraries are involved.
15:45 drojf        allora: have you heard about that?
15:45 drojf        i think it was 1200 actually
15:45 kf           maybe we scared him/her away now :)
15:45 drojf        or not?
15:45 wahanui      not is, like, maybe removed from my search
15:45 jcamins      drojf: well, I had the 1 and 2 right.
15:46 drojf        0s don't count ;)
15:47 jcamins      o.O
15:48 jcamins      I have a book published in 1664 with a *fake* letter from the author to someone else dated 1650.
15:48 drojf        http://koha-community.org/koha-community-newsletter-january-2013/#turkey
15:48 jcamins      Charming and bizarre.
15:48 jcamins      Ah. Quite right. 1100.
15:49 drojf        how do you know it's a fake letter?
15:51 jcamins      It was written in the twentieth century.
15:52 jcamins      Maybe late nineteenth.
15:53 kf           hm
15:53 kf           exporting marc from the cart gives me problems with umlauts? *sigh*
15:54 drojf        jcamins: sounds bizarre indeed
15:55 jcamins      But charming.
15:56 drojf        very!
15:59 kf           [off] Innovationsf{under}rdernde Good-Practice-Ans{tilde}tze ?
15:59 jcamins      kf: ?
15:59 kf           nice umlauts in koha, but when I export from cart and use marcedit on the file I end up with those instead of the diacritics
15:59 kf           I am a bit puzzled and had hoped someone had seen it before
16:00 kf           also marcedit gives an error
16:00 kf           while transforming the file. hm.
16:00 drojf        but it looks ok in the file?
16:00 drojf        and the file is utf8?
16:00 kf           it looks ok in koha... and I told it to be utf-8 I think
16:01 jcamins      What error does Marcedit give?
16:01 jcamins      I see nothing wrong with that.
16:01 jcamins      Marcedit doesn't display diacritics.
16:01 kf           sec
16:01 drojf        i dont remember it not showing diacritics
16:02 kf           jcamins: 3 records were processed in 0,093601 seconds.  Some records appear to be invalid and were processed using MarcEdit's loose breaking algorithem.  It's recommended that you use the MarcValidator to identify the invalid records
16:02 kf           ok, now the relaly weird thing is: the file from the email works.
16:02 jcamins      Ah.
16:02 jcamins      drojf: it breaks the diacritics to {diacriticname}
16:02 jcamins      Or did last time I used it.
16:02 drojf        those are not the diacritic names i would expect
16:03 jcamins      drojf: yeah, kind of weird diacritics for German.
16:03 kf           yep, file using the download option - broken, using the email functinality and the attached file - all good
16:03 * kf         is still puzzled
16:04 * drojf      puts together the pieces of the kf puzzle
16:04 kf           heh thx :)
16:05 kf           drojf: don't lose any pieces :)
16:15 jcamins      nengard: they're looking for Horton spottings, not Who spottings?
16:18 oleonard     jcamins: How could you have a Who spotting when they are too small to see?
16:18 nengard      i guess jcaming
16:18 nengard      can't type
16:18 nengard      jcamins
16:19 jcamins      oleonard: you might hear them. :P
16:19 nengard      hehe
16:19 oleonard     jcamins: Then it would be a Who hearing not a Who spotting :P
16:20 nengard      oh boy
16:20 nengard      what have i done??
16:20 jcamins      oleonard: I don't know. It's a "spot" a Who was located... it could be a spotting.
16:21 oleonard     When they held Who hearings I heard your record on Who spottings was spotty
16:21 jcamins      lol
16:22 drojf        earspotting
16:22 drojf        that sounds like something nasty
16:23 drojf        oops, i'm not working. i'll turn you all off so i can't see you
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17:26 oleonard     If I run "prove xt" and it fails because of the new single_quotes test, shouldn't Jenkins also be complaining?
17:26 jcamins      oleonard: Jenkins should be yes.
17:26 jcamins      Isn't he?
17:27 jcamins      !jenkins status
17:27 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
17:27 jenkins_koha 3_6_Packages: last build: 32 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_6_Packages/32/
17:27 jenkins_koha 3_8_packages: last build: 201 (7 hr 9 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_8_packages/201/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.10.x: last build: 72 (7 hr 9 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/72/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x(disabled) : last build: 36 (1 yr 2 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/36/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x(disabled) : last build: 80 (1 yr 0 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/80/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.6.x: last build: 76 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/76/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 278 (7 hr 46 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/278/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 299 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/299/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.10.x: last build: 29 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/29/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.8.x: last build: 27 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/27/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_master: last build: 1061 (1 day 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1061/
17:27 jenkins_koha Master_Packages: last build: 205 (1 day 22 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/205/
17:27 reiveune     bye
17:27 jcamins      Hm.
17:27 jcamins      Apparently not.
17:39 jcamins      oleonard: there's already a patch for that.
17:39 jcamins      It's awaiting QA.
17:40 oleonard     For which file?
17:40 jcamins      calendar.inc.
17:40 oleonard     Oh, for both. *sigh*
17:40 jcamins      Bug 9555 I think.
17:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Template files contain single quote strings
17:55 tcohen       what jobs do jenkins do to check the status of koha sourcE? make? make test?
17:56 jcamins      tcohen: search on the wiki for "jenkins"
17:56 tcohen       thx
17:56 jcamins      Or "continuous integration."
17:56 jcamins      One of those should bring you to the page with the jenkins script.
18:02 Morthland    Hey all, My Koha started giving me this error this past weekend: Not Found  The requested URL / was not found on this server.
18:08 oleonard     Morthland: Go on...
18:10 kf           bye all
18:13 Morthland    My
18:13 Morthland    Hmm.
18:13 Morthland    it would seem that apache2.conf is reset to a default.
18:14 Morthland    as is my ports.conf
18:23 * jcamins    wonders if paul_p is related to René Poulain, the wine expert.
18:24 libsysguy    Morthland you probably did an update to apache and the package maintainers version overwrote your symlinked one
18:25 libsysguy    or edited one
18:25 libsysguy    whatever you do
18:35 Morthland    Yeah.
18:35 Morthland    I figured it out.
18:35 Morthland    My IT ran an update.
18:38 jcamins      bgkriegel: hello. I hope you are thinking of running for a position during the 3.14 release cycle? :)
18:38 bgkriegel    hehe
18:39 bgkriegel    I was thinking about
18:40 jcamins      :D
18:46 rangi        i need someone to take over rmaint :)
18:46 bgkriegel    that's too much :)
18:47 jcamins      RMaint was fun. :)
18:47 rangi        its less than QA
18:47 rangi        by the time a patch gets to rmaint
18:47 jcamins      But after being RM, I would prefer not to run for anything.
18:47 rangi        its been signed off, qaed, checked by the release maintainer
18:47 rangi        its just checking it doesnt bust the stable branch and is it a feature or not
18:47 oleonard     jcamins: Didn't you hear? We've made it a lifetime appointment.
18:48 jcamins      oleonard: I did hear.
18:48 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
18:48 * jcamins    will declare that his life is over May 22, thereby opening the way for someone else.
18:49 rangi        heh
18:49 rangi        qa is actually one of the most important roles
18:49 jcamins      It definitely is.
18:49 rangi        the better job they do, the easier everyone elses job is
18:50 jcamins      Oh, you put yourself on the docket for QA! Awesome!
18:50 * rangi      is gonna put his money where his mouth is
18:50 bgkriegel    :)
18:53 bgkriegel    rangi: Bug 8917, make any sense what I wrote?
18:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha
18:55 tcohen       how many bucks do one gets for picking rmaint position?
18:56 jcamins      tcohen: that's part of the problem... there's no funding for anything.
18:56 oleonard     tcohen: An unlimited supply of "Koha bucks" which unfortunately are not redeemable for anything
18:57 Morthland    How do I hide the IP address?
18:57 jcamins      Morthland: hide the IP address?
18:57 Morthland    I mean, our site is http://opac.morthland.org
18:58 jcamins      Right.
18:58 Morthland    but when you go there, it simply shows our IP address
18:59 jcamins      You tell IT to fix it.
18:59 bgkriegel    there is something in your http server configuration
18:59 tcohen       heh jcamins oleonard
19:00 Morthland    How can I change that so it shows opac.morthland.org/whatever/whatever.pl?
19:00 jcamins      You need to get your IT folks to point opac.morthland.org to your Koha server.
19:00 jcamins      *at
19:01 rangi        it does, but the authnotrequired overrides that anyway
19:02 rangi        ie, you dont declare the permissions needed, because none are needed
19:02 rangi        ill declare an empty one
19:02 rangi        but probably a better fix is to not check permissions when auth is not required
19:03 bgkriegel    ok. But you have no problem. What could be the difference?
19:03 rangi        ie no point doing a loop we dont have to
19:05 * rangi      has to take the kids to school bbiab
19:07 Morthland    I run our apache server.
19:07 Morthland    I should go to apache IRC, I guess.
19:07 jcamins      Morthland: oh, that makes it easy.
19:08 jcamins      Rather than using a redirect, just point DNS to the Koha server.
19:08 jcamins      Or use a reverse proxy setup, if there's a reason you can't serve Koha off of port 80.
19:09 Morthland    Reverse Proxy?
19:10 nengard      for some reason one of my Koha VMs isn't finding the ccsr files - any ideas on how to fetch them down from git?
19:10 oleonard     nengard: Wouldn't that be a problem with your branch?
19:10 jcamins      nengard: git fetch origin && git checkout origin/master
19:11 nengard      oleonard could be and so i'll try jcamins tips
19:11 jcamins      Additional steps are necessary, obviously, if you want to do anything other than run master.
19:11 jcamins      Morthland: yeah, if you have Koha on port 90 because, e.g, nginx is on port 80, set up a virtual host on port 80 that just forwards requests to port 90.
19:12 nengard      hmmm
19:12 nengard      that didn't work
19:12 nengard      image coming
19:12 jcamins      In that case either your remote is not called "origin" or you did not originally check out from git.k-c.org.
19:13 nengard      i did a fetch and there was nothing to fetch
19:13 nengard      cause i did a fetch this morning
19:13 nengard      but when i use ccsr i see: http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:14 nengard      on my other computer (same vm set up) it looks a-ok so i know it's not a bug and it's a problem with my repo in some way
19:14 oleonard     nengard: Are you on a branch with changes?
19:14 jcamins      Could you summarize what you see?
19:14 nengard      nope
19:14 nengard      no changes
19:14 nengard      not nope to jcamins :)
19:14 jcamins      I can't view the screenshot.
19:14 oleonard     What does git log say is the last commit?
19:15 nengard      jcamins i see the prog theme with the list and cart buttons in the top left like it's trying to do ccsr but can't  find the images/backgrounds etc
19:15 nengard      oleonard
19:15 wahanui      oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
19:15 nengard      HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master
19:15 oleonard     That's correct. Have you cleared your browser cache?
19:15 nengard      shift refresh like 5 times
19:16 oleonard     What does Firebug say in its console?
19:16 * cait       waves
19:17 nengard      oleonard nothing ?
19:17 nengard      hi cait
19:17 cait         hi nengard and oleonard
19:18 oleonard     nengard: Firebug would show errors if there were missing assets (i.e. CSS files which were not where they should be)
19:18 nengard      hmmm
19:18 nengard      well the console is on the 'all' tab and there is nothing there
19:18 nengard      this makes no sense
19:19 cait         what are we missing? :)
19:19 nengard      interesting ? console shows stuff for other pages
19:19 nengard      just not my vm
19:19 nengard      could it be a vm thing?
19:19 nengard      and cait i'm having an issue with ccsr on one of my vms
19:19 nengard      HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master
19:19 nengard      not the right thing to paste
19:19 nengard      http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:19 oleonard     nengard: Maybe your browser is pointing at the wrong site?
19:20 nengard      how so?
19:20 oleonard     More than one instance of Koha running?
19:20 nengard      hmmm
19:20 oleonard     nengard: If you switch the opac theme to prog does it look correct?
19:20 nengard      shouldn't be - but let me kill the vm and start it again
19:20 nengard      and yes
19:20 * cait       was missing the icons on the homepage earlier today... thought it was that
19:20 nengard      it looks right with prog
19:21 cait         will have to check again later
19:21 jcamins      nengard: and `git status` doesn't do something like tell you that every single CCSR file was removed, right?
19:21 nengard      hang on it's restarting
19:22 nengard      git status is a-ok
19:22 nengard      and the server was restarted and it's still looking all wrong
19:22 nengard      no other instances running that i know of
19:22 oleonard     nengard: When you view source does it show that it's looking for files in /opac-tmpl/ccsr/" ?
19:22 nengard      i have the weirdest problems
19:23 nengard      yes
19:23 nengard      <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css/opac.css" />
19:23 nengard      and more
19:23 oleonard     What happens if you click that link in the view source window?
19:23 nengard      i see a css file
19:26 nengard      i assume it's the right css file
19:26 nengard      maybe it's a combo of prefs ? maybe it is a bug?
19:27 oleonard     Custom CSS preference?
19:29 nengard      hmm
19:29 nengard      they're all blank
19:30 nengard      nothing special in there
19:30 gaetan_B     bye !
19:32 nengard      how can i pull down a fresh repo
19:32 nengard      i don't have anything special on here - i just use it when on the road doing demos
19:32 nengard      ? like i will be tomorrow
19:33 bgkriegel    the standard clone, git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone
19:34 nengard      i don't have to delete anything first?
19:34 oleonard     I would think you would have to delete kohaclone first
19:34 nengard      yup
19:34 nengard      just figured that out :)
19:34 bgkriegel    well, I rename kohaclone (o delete)
19:38 nengard      k re-cloning ? fingers crossed
19:42 tcohen       git reset --hard origin/master
19:44 nengard      well that didn't work
19:45 nengard      what the heck
19:45 nengard      it's fine on my other computer i don't do anything except fetch and rebase daily
19:45 bgkriegel    can you see in your logs?
19:46 bgkriegel    koha-opac-error_log
19:46 tcohen       what's the issue nengard?
19:46 tcohen       (evidence of it)
19:47 nengard      tcohen when i'm using ccsr i see this: http://screencast.com/t/K5jRkZfLG
19:47 bgkriegel    tcohen: ccsr is not behaving
19:48 nengard      bgkriegel what do i type to see that log?
19:48 nengard      from what directory?
19:48 tcohen       maybe a non-propietary OS?
19:48 tcohen       (just kidding)
19:48 nengard      hmmm
19:48 wizzyrea     firebug doesn't say you are missing something like mobile.css?
19:48 nengard      firebug says nothing
19:48 nengard      at all
19:48 nengard      which is strange
19:48 wizzyrea     clear the cache.
19:48 bgkriegel    try tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log
19:48 bgkriegel    and reload
19:49 bgkriegel    (if your logs are there)
19:49 nengard      tail: cannot open `/var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log' for reading: No such file or directory
19:49 wizzyrea     yea because you need to sudo
19:49 nengard      nope
19:49 jcamins      nengard: you did a standard install from git?
19:50 nengard      sudo didn't do it
19:50 nengard      yes
19:50 wizzyrea     then your logs aren't there.
19:50 nengard      yup ?.
19:50 wizzyrea     it's gonna be /home/nengard/koha-dev/log
19:50 wizzyrea     or something
19:50 wahanui      rumour has it something is wrong
19:50 wizzyrea     just ls around in there until you find it
19:50 wizzyrea     it'll be there.
19:51 nengard      found
19:51 wizzyrea     awesome.
19:51 wahanui      That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea
19:51 wizzyrea     yusss
19:51 wizzyrea     what does the awesome jar pay for?
19:51 wizzyrea     ^.^
19:52 nengard      [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] [error] [client 192.168.56.1] [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /home/nengard/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 840., referer: http://kohavm/
19:52 wizzyrea     naw
19:52 bgkriegel    only line?
19:52 wizzyrea     that's normal.
19:52 nengard      no
19:52 nengard      just didn't want to spam the chat :)
19:52 nengard      pasting
19:52 wizzyrea     did you clear your browser cache?
19:52 nengard      one sec
19:53 bgkriegel    many times
19:53 nengard      wizzyrea i did shift-refresh ? many time
19:53 nengard      s
19:53 wizzyrea     no, go into the settings and clear it properly
19:53 pastebot     "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "log" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/402
19:53 wizzyrea     that stuff is normal and not even from today
19:53 nengard      today is the 26th
19:54 nengard      in the US :)
19:54 wizzyrea     it's not 7pm?
19:54 wizzyrea     and it's not 7am
19:54 nengard      2pm
19:54 nengard      14:17
19:54 nengard      2:17
19:54 wizzyrea     oh sorry you're right
19:54 wizzyrea     i mean, I just didn't see the 14
19:54 * tcohen     really hates those concatenation errors, he silently squashes those anytime hi sends a patch trying people not tu realise it
19:55 pastebot     "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "another paste" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/403
19:55 nengard      anyway, nothing out of the ordinary
19:55 bgkriegel    nengard: what browser are you using?
19:55 wizzyrea     no that's normal - somewhat telling is that it cna't find the ccsr favicon
19:55 nengard      ff
19:55 wizzyrea     but I"m not sure that exists.
19:56 tcohen       bye #koha
19:56 nengard      installing ff update
19:57 nengard      and chrome
19:57 nengard      it's the same in both
19:57 wizzyrea     for kicks, restart apache in your vm?
19:57 bgkriegel    in any, try to delete history, not all, just clean the cache
19:58 bgkriegel    Ctrl+Shift+Del in ff
20:00 nengard      hang on phone ?
20:01 wizzyrea     nengard do you have a language enabled?
20:02 nengard      no
20:02 wizzyrea     and if you flip it off everything is ok?
20:03 nengard      if i change to prog everything is okay
20:03 nengard      i cleared my cache - but it was a problem in chrome and ff
20:03 nengard      so that didn't help
20:03 nengard      it's still ugly
20:04 bgkriegel    :(
20:04 nengard      yeah
20:04 nengard      it's a puzzler
20:04 bgkriegel    when I see somethng like this, there were missing files
20:04 nengard      and this is the computer i use for training/demoing - i use the other one for testings/signing off
20:04 nengard      that's what i thought it was originally
20:04 wizzyrea     do you have the ccsr files?
20:04 nengard      but i just did a new pull fresh git
20:04 wizzyrea     did you restart apache in your vm?
20:05 nengard      yes - i seem to - i clicked on the link to the ccsr css and it opened the file
20:05 wizzyrea     just for fun.
20:05 wizzyrea     maybe you are out of disk space in your VM?
20:05 wizzyrea     that sounds like madness
20:05 nengard      nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css$ ls
20:05 nengard      babeltheque.css  datatables.css  jquery.rating.css  opac.css   sco.css
20:05 nengard      colors.css       hierarchy.css   mobile.css         print.css
20:06 nengard      hmm - how do i check disk space?
20:06 nengard      i use virtualbox
20:06 wizzyrea     df -h
20:06 wizzyrea     in your vm
20:06 nengard      i'm A-OK on space
20:06 nengard      8% full :)
20:07 wizzyrea     so not that then.
20:07 bgkriegel    file permissions?
20:07 wizzyrea     ooh yes permissions
20:07 wizzyrea     ls -lah would show you
20:07 nengard      in which folder?
20:07 nengard      the ccsr folder?
20:07 wizzyrea     ccsr
20:08 wizzyrea     but obv apache can read them because firebug says it can see them
20:08 pastebot     "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "permissions" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/404
20:08 nengard      firebug shows nothing in the console - nothing at all
20:08 nengard      but if i view source and click on a css file it opens the code
20:09 nengard      no errors
20:09 wizzyrea     seems odd they're not executable
20:09 wizzyrea     maybe
20:09 nengard      so change all files to 777
20:09 nengard      since it's a VM anyway?
20:09 nengard      not like it can be hacked
20:10 nengard      :)
20:10 wizzyrea     755 would do
20:11 * wizzyrea   accidentally wiped out her git repo yesterday too
20:11 bgkriegel    none of my files are executable, and ccsr is ok
20:12 wizzyrea     fortunately I had just pushed the things I needed to.
20:12 wizzyrea     ccsr was ok for me too
20:12 rangi        [5~/ws 23
20:12 rangi        heh
20:12 rangi        its gonna be one of those days
20:12 pastebot     "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "updated permissions" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/405
20:13 nengard      no luck
20:13 nengard      wizzyrea i did a fresh repo at the start of this ? wiped out the old one
20:14 wizzyrea     OH nengard
20:14 nengard      OH?
20:14 wizzyrea     you have a custom CSS file defined in the sysprefs?
20:14 nengard      no
20:14 nengard      nothing
20:14 wizzyrea     change it to colors.css
20:14 wahanui      wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
20:14 nengard      they're all empty
20:14 jcamins      css files do not need to be executable.
20:14 wizzyrea     put in
20:15 wizzyrea     colors.css and opac.css
20:15 wizzyrea     in the proper places
20:15 wizzyrea     then it will work I think
20:15 * wizzyrea   will illustrate one moment
20:15 nengard      HA
20:15 nengard      That was it
20:15 wizzyrea     yusss
20:15 nengard      wizzyrea++
20:15 nengard      wizzyrea++
20:15 nengard      you get it twice :)
20:16 nengard      so darn simple!!!
20:16 wizzyrea     pft
20:16 wizzyrea     but ty, glad it's working
20:16 wizzyrea     if you had looked at the source, you probably would have seen
20:16 wizzyrea     that it was pointing to prog/en/colors.css
20:16 wizzyrea     and prog/en/opac.css
20:16 wizzyrea     because that's what the defaults are
20:16 wizzyrea     if you put in opac.css, it looks in the directory for the theme
20:17 wizzyrea     it's probably a bug
20:17 wizzyrea     so it's safer to populate those sysprefs
20:18 bgkriegel    well done :)
20:21 bgkriegel    has anyone tried Enhanced content from Babeltheque?
20:22 nengard      I haven't
20:23 nengard      cause you have to pay ? don't you?
20:24 bgkriegel    ah, was trying to test an enhancement from biblibre
20:24 nengard      changing back to my other computer now that this is fixed - brb
20:27 cait         bgkriegel: sorry, no - maybe check for regressions and note that?
20:27 bgkriegel    hi cait.. Ok, i'll do that
20:29 rangi        bgkriegel: ill do a fix for 8917 now
20:29 cait         morning rangi
20:29 magnuse      bug 8917
20:29 rangi        hey cait
20:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha
20:29 * magnuse    waves
20:29 rangi        hiya magnuse
20:29 magnuse      kia ora rangi
20:31 bgkriegel    rangi: ok, is a nice feature
20:31 rangi        yeah, albany have been using it for a while
20:31 cait         yep
20:31 cait         very interesting feature
20:32 rangi        im thinking i might add persona logins to staff side too next
20:33 jcamins      Yay!
20:34 magnuse      rangi++
20:35 * magnuse    wanders off
20:35 rangi        cya magnuse
21:12 rangi        bgkriegel++ # thanks for the sign off
21:12 bgkriegel    :)
21:12 bgkriegel    now push for QA
21:14 drojf        more privacy warnings needed :P
21:14 eythian      hi
21:14 wahanui      niihau, eythian
21:14 rangi        send a patch :)
21:15 drojf        i'll add it to mine. one day :)
21:15 rangi        it would be easy to check the syspref when a user logs in and say, external links are being tracked
21:15 drojf        but seriously, cool feature
21:15 rangi        there's not much value in tracking it to a borrower, for a public library
21:15 drojf        that is what i do with all privacy-relevant sysprefs :)
21:15 rangi        since most ppl arent logged in
21:15 drojf        or, plan to do
21:16 rangi        but for special libraries, where the whole opac is behind the login, it might be useful
21:18 oleonard     See you later #koha
21:19 wizzyrea     bye!
21:20 pastebot     "bgkriegel" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git bz error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/406
21:21 bgkriegel    have a problem with git bz
21:21 wizzyrea     well that's a new one. it does that for only one patch or all of them?
21:21 bgkriegel    only this
21:21 wahanui      only this is probably a neverending story somehow
21:21 bgkriegel    :)
21:21 wizzyrea     forget only this
21:21 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot only this
21:22 wizzyrea     i would just do that one by hand then
21:22 wizzyrea     with git format-patch origin
21:22 wizzyrea     then attach the file it generates
21:22 bgkriegel    yes, of course
21:22 rangi        yeah i suspect htere is a utf8 char in the commit message or something
21:22 rangi        and git bz cant handle it
21:22 jcamins      o.O
21:22 bgkriegel    it is
21:23 bgkriegel    is a patch from biblibre
21:23 bgkriegel    ok, i'll attach it
21:23 wizzyrea     you could git commit --amend and get rid of the character
21:23 wizzyrea     if you can find it
21:23 rangi        its probably totally valid
21:23 rangi        its just python being a dumb head
21:24 wizzyrea     dumkopf
21:24 wizzyrea     is my favourite way to say that
21:26 drojf        dummkopf? :)
21:27 wizzyrea     yes that
21:31 drojf        http://rt.com/news/vader-storms-justice-ukraine-493/
21:44 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "2 more library cards for my #kohails wall, 1 from sweden and one from crawford county usa"
21:53 rangi        http://munkagard.bibkat.se/  <-- swedish one
21:54 wizzyrea     ok the facebook thing on there is simultaneously neat and ugly. I like the idea of it though
21:55 wizzyrea     also the swedish word for "tweet" is awesome
21:55 wizzyrea     ^.^
21:56 jcamins      Facebook thing?
21:56 wizzyrea     the pics of people who like the catalog
21:56 wizzyrea     or selected folks.
21:56 eythian      I don't see that at all...where is it?
21:57 rangi        you probably have to be logged in ?
21:57 * eythian    looks for a browser without all my "block everything" plugins...
21:57 wizzyrea     oh possibly you hav eto be logged in
21:57 eythian      are you logged in?
21:57 rangi        to facebook i mean
21:57 wizzyrea     I probably have a cookiees
21:57 eythian      oh right
21:57 bgkriegel    No, I see it in the main page
21:58 wizzyrea     http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2471/selection060.png
21:58 jcamins      Interesting.
21:58 wahanui      it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:58 jcamins      Yeah, I have all that blocked.
21:58 eythian      oh right, I don't get that at all, but I don't have bookface logged in here
21:59 eythian      and I have facebook tracking stuff blocked.
22:01 eythian      https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/sharemenot/ <-- related
22:03 magnuse      hey, Munkagård is one of my customers! so cool they sent a card! :-)
22:03 rangi        yep they said you asked them to :)
22:03 magnuse      hehe, i did
22:05 magnuse      well, more suggested than asked, i hope :-)
22:06 rangi        :)
22:07 cait         magnuse: you didn#t threaten to turn off their opac? :P
22:07 wizzyrea     hehe
22:07 magnuse      hehe, nah, thought i'd save that for the next round ;-)
22:08 wizzyrea     hrm, where does one set the "reserve fee"
22:09 jcamins      Item types?
22:09 wahanui      Item types are used to define circulation rules, so you may want to keep them separate from search-related categorization
22:09 wizzyrea     hm I see rental fee
22:09 wizzyrea     I looked in the circ rules too
22:10 wizzyrea     AHA
22:10 wizzyrea     it's patron categories
23:32 eythian      wahanui: wombat
23:32 wahanui      eythian: excuse me?
23:33 eythian      wahanui: wombat is <reply>wombats have cubic poo.
23:33 wahanui      OK, eythian.
23:33 eythian      wahanui: wombats is <reply>wombats have cubic poo.
23:33 wahanui      OK, eythian.
23:33 wizzyrea     it's true.
23:33 wahanui      I read it on the internet!
23:33 wizzyrea     LOL
23:39 bag          be eythian
23:39 wahanui      Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
23:39 bag          !!!!
23:52 dcook        lol
23:52 dcook        Never a dull moment in #koha :p
23:52 bag          heya dcook
23:52 dcook        allo bag :)