Time Nick Message 01:32 dcook Hmm, according to msaby (https://twitter.com/27point7/status/298004078347317248), Zebra supports left and right truncation for ICU? I find IndexData's "news update" to be somewhat indecipherable...(http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/NEWS) 01:34 jcamins 2.0.53 02:20 eythian rangi: is there no tag for v3.08.10? 02:20 rangi i may have not pushed it, i certainly tagged it 02:21 rangi my release script works with tags 02:21 eythian I can see the 3.10.03 one, so it might just not have been pushed 02:21 rangi ahh there its 02:21 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=summary 02:22 rangi i had pushed it, wonder why you arent seeing it? 02:22 dcook Yeah, I see it on my end 02:22 dcook But I just fetched a few minutes ago 02:22 eythian I am doing a fetch with --tags, looks to be getting a whole lot more stuff. 02:23 rangi last push was 8 hours ago 02:23 eythian I think I remember something about that: it only gets tags that you have some local thing relating to them, or something along those lines 02:23 rangi ahh yeah thats right 02:23 rangi that's caught me before 02:23 eythian * [new tag] v3.08.10 -> v3.08.10 02:23 eythian thar she goes 02:23 eythian hmm, oddly that came via the catalyst repo only 02:23 eythian oh well, I have it now, that's the important but 02:23 eythian bit 02:25 dcook If one of you fine folk has a moment, could you take a quick look at Bug 9703 and let me know if it sounds like a reasonable idea? 02:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Add optional parameter "as_string" to GetRecordValue subroutine 02:26 dcook I can also summarize if the bug summaries are too verbose :p 02:29 eythian just from reading the bug it doesn't seem like a bad thing. Note that an alternative would be to have a utility sub that does the conversion, but I would only do that if it gained you something else (e.g. being able to be used my other subs.) 02:31 dcook Cool. When the idea first crossed my mind, I thought about doing a utility sub, but I wasn't sure if it would be useful elsewhere, so I figured it would be best to embed it in the existing sub. 02:31 dcook Thanks for the input, eythian :). Very much appreciated. 02:32 eythian it could even be an internal utility sub, that way a) there's more modularisation, and b) it can be made public easily should that be useful. 02:35 dcook I like your points, but what do you mean by an internal utility sub? Is that in reference to C4::Koha? 02:36 eythian no, just something nearby that's not designed to be public, and the name starts with _ 02:36 eythian it's just that splitting up subs is a good thing. 02:36 eythian (I haven't looked at your code btw, it might be you've done that) 02:37 eythian yeah, looking at it now, I would do that 02:37 dcook So something like |_koha_delete_biblioitems"? 02:38 dcook And just locate it at the bottom of Biblio.pm? 02:38 eythian you have if ($as_string) three times, I'd post-process it in another sub if ($as_string) 02:38 eythian I'd put it just below GetRecordValue, and call it something like _record_to_string, or similar 02:38 dcook Oooh, I like that 02:39 dcook I was a bit worried about a utility sub being lost, but if I can just put it below.. 02:40 dcook Certainly seems more straight forward 02:41 dcook Sometimes I wonder how many useful subs are hidden away in the depths of Koha 02:42 eythian brazillions, I expect 02:44 wizzyrea hey you leave brazlilans out of this. 02:44 wizzyrea brazilians 02:44 wizzyrea :) 02:53 mtj eythian, about? 02:53 eythian mtj: yarp 02:54 mtj shall i have a go at building this round of koha deb packages? 02:55 eythian mtj: you can't at the moment, I haven't sorted out changing the signing keys. 02:55 eythian (also, I'm actually right in the middle of it :) 02:55 mtj yep, i recall that 02:56 mtj ah :) 02:56 mtj classic 02:57 mtj next time? 02:57 wahanui next time is in 87 years or something... ;-) 02:58 eythian yeah, but that'll be in 87 years or so :) 02:58 mtj i cant remember… is the 'changing the signing keys' step, tricky somehow? 02:58 eythian actually doing it is easy, but it takes time to get people to update them. 02:58 eythian Maybe I'll do that today. 02:59 eythian that way they can be ready for the next one. 02:59 mtj do i need to give you my ssh.pub key, too? 02:59 eythian no 02:59 eythian actually 02:59 eythian hmm 03:00 eythian you'll have to get access to debian.koha-community.org to deploy them 03:00 eythian Not sure who does that, possibly galen. 03:00 mtj thought i might, for push access to the kc.org box 03:00 mtj yep, ok 03:00 eythian yeah, I don't think I can give you access to that 03:00 eythian gmcharlt: you about? 03:01 mtj ill mail him :) 03:01 mtj ok, all good 03:01 mtj hope you're feeling better, this week 03:01 eythian OK. Also, you'll want to add the catalyst repo to your git, as the packages differ very slightly from the canonical copy 03:02 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.10.03-packaging <-- for example 03:03 eythian this'll be a good chance to update the docs on this, too. 03:04 mtj cool, yep - i got it :) 03:05 mtj im curious to learn the process myself 03:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "“Papertab†paper tablet is your flexible friend http://t.co/ZH9B2iwVii #kohails" 03:41 eythian all new packages updated (3.8, 3.10, 3.11.) jcamins: I've removed the koha package from all of these. 03:42 jcamins Thanks. 03:53 dcook "When the local variables are initialized, the @array variables grab all of the elements in the @_ array, leaving none for the scalar variable. This results in the uninitialized value message displayed in the output. You can fix this by merely reversing the order of parameters. If the scalar value comes first, then the function processes the parameters without a problem." 03:53 * dcook twitches 03:54 eythian it makes sense 03:54 jcamins dcook: don't use arrays as arguments. 03:54 dcook array refs instead, right? 03:54 eythian yeah, perl lists don't nest, and arguments is a list 03:54 eythian (for power users: perl arrays only nest when using arrayrefs) 03:55 eythian and lists/arrays can be used more or less interchangeably, but there's no such thing as a listref. 03:56 dcook O_o 03:56 eythian dcook: I'd be inclined to re-evaluate what you're doing 03:56 eythian well, at least a part of it 03:56 dcook Certainly part of it 03:56 eythian there's often a more elegant way to approach things at that level. 03:57 dcook The whole array of hashes thing gets me sometimes and how to de-reference or access the data 03:57 eythian what are you trying to pass in? 03:57 dcook That array from GetRecordValue 03:57 dcook Well, array of hashes 03:58 eythian OK, and just that? 03:58 eythian strictly, it's an array of hashrefs 03:58 dcook And a string 03:58 wahanui well, a string is soft 03:58 eythian ah right. The easy way is to put the string first. 03:58 alohabot Hi mib_ap8tl6, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 03:58 eythian the other way is to pass the array as an arrayref 03:59 dcook Right, that took me a little while to figure out. Hence the pasted bit above 03:59 dcook Wait.. 03:59 mib_ap8tl6 hi does anyone know the location of where i should place my custom images so that it would reflect in the web interface? 03:59 eythian wahanui: wait is <reply>is Godot coming? 03:59 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, eythian 03:59 dcook I was thinking of passing the array as an arrayref (not that I'm 100% on what that means), but then the whole thing seems to fall apart 03:59 eythian wahanui: wait is <reply>is Godot coming# 03:59 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:59 eythian wahanui: wait =~ s/#/?/ 03:59 wahanui OK, eythian 04:00 eythian it would just be _my_sub(\@result, $the_string) 04:00 mib_ap8tl6 anyone here knows about the opac?? 04:00 wizzyrea mib_ap8tl6: you would have to add them using the tool - Tools -> upload local cover image 04:00 mib_ap8tl6 thanks! 04:00 wizzyrea assuming that's what you mean by "custom images" 04:00 jcamins mib_ap8tl6: but only if you want to upload a local cover image. 04:01 jcamins And I am pretty sure that is not. 04:01 wizzyrea the first question? 04:01 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 04:01 jcamins ^^ exactly 04:01 mib_ap8tl6 i want to use our school's logo in part with the koha 04:01 jcamins wizzyrea will take you through the four questions that help us help you, while I go to sleep. 04:01 jcamins Good night, #koha. 04:01 * wizzyrea will go pick up her kid, actually :/ 04:02 wizzyrea the short answer is 04:02 wizzyrea anywhere you can link to, you can put your image 04:02 mib_ap8tl6 my goal? i want to customize the header image 04:02 eythian dcook: then when you access it: my ($array, $string) = @_; 04:02 eythian dcook: and $array->[4]; # get the 5th value 04:03 eythian dcook: and $array->[4]{subfield}; # get the 5th value's subfield entry 04:05 dcook eythian: That requires an explicit reference to subfield though, right? 04:06 eythian I don't know what you mean there, but I suspect the answer is "no" 04:06 dcook eythian: At the moment, I'm using a for loop to get each element of the array, then I'm trying to do a foreach on the keys of the hash 04:06 dcook Well, in the case of $array->[4], you need to write 4 into your code 04:06 dcook To get that 5th value 04:06 eythian that was just an example 04:07 eythian that can be a variable 04:07 eythian or you can use a foreach 04:07 eythian foreach my $val (@$array) 04:07 dcook I figure using loops makes the sub more re-useable overall 04:07 mib_ap8tl6 solution wont work 04:07 dcook Hmm, I think I missed the @ reference! 04:07 eythian then inside that: foreach my $key (keys %$val) 04:07 dcook Or dereference.. 04:07 eythian if it helps, @$foo is the same as @{ $foo } 04:08 eythian you're dereferencing it into it's "real" type 04:08 dcook Right 04:08 dcook When I was passing the array rather than the array ref, I didn't use any dereferencing (obviously) 04:09 dcook But when I changed to the reference, I forgot to dereference *facepalm* 04:09 eythian ah right :) 04:09 dcook And now the order that I pass my variables is irrelevant 04:09 eythian yep 04:10 mib_ap8tl6 i can't seem to change the appearance of the opac 04:10 dcook Sweeet 04:10 eythian most of the times I'm mixing types, I use references 04:10 mib_ap8tl6 can't locate where the image file are 04:10 dcook Mixing types? 04:10 eythian strings, arrays, hashes, etc 04:10 dcook Mmm, k. That's what I thought you were saying 04:11 dcook I had never encountered references in a programming language before Perl. It certainly has taken some getting used to 04:11 eythian really? 04:11 eythian C has them, Pascal has them, ... 04:11 dcook Well, Perl is the first "serious" language I've encountered 04:11 mib_ap8tl6 where is the right location to put the images to be used for the changing of the appearance of the opac? 04:12 dcook Maybe I shouldn't have said serious :P 04:12 eythian most high level languages do 04:12 eythian ah right 04:12 dcook Yeah? 04:12 dcook I have a humanities/social science background. I grew up playing with computer game scripts and then PHP, but...you know. PHP. 04:12 eythian not all, but I think most imperative or OO ones do 04:12 eythian I think PHP has them too, but they're probably more stupid 04:12 dcook Never ever noticed a mention of them *shrug* 04:13 dcook I've only noticed scalars and arrays though 04:13 dcook The whole hash concept was new to me with Perl as well 04:13 eythian PHP definitely has them, and they are definitely stupid there. 04:14 eythian http://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/perl5i-v2.10.0/lib/perl5i.pm <-- I wish we were using this 04:14 eythian It makes everything a fair bit smarter 04:15 dcook Whoa... 04:15 dcook I'm liking that at a glance 04:15 eythian turns everything into an object, etc. 04:16 dcook Yeah, I've only started getting into OOP, but I suppose I'm a bit surprised that we don't use more of it 04:16 dcook Not that I completely understand it or "us" yet :p 04:16 eythian In old perl it's ugly, in new perl, there's many competing ways to go about it. 04:18 dcook Mmm, certainly not the best environment then 04:18 eythian though, pure-perl OO isn't too bad any more. 04:18 eythian but it is hard to turn a non-OO app into an OO one 04:19 eythian lots of impedence mismatch 04:20 dcook Impedence mismatch being an impedence through having to get code in extra handling to link it up? 04:21 eythian well, in part. It's more that they result in different designs of code. 04:21 eythian you tend to think of things a bit differently 04:21 eythian and many things that we do would be quite ugly in an OO world 04:21 eythian like your thing would be totally different in OO 04:22 eythian you'd be creating a method on the record class that returned it as a string, rather than modifying the retreval sub. 04:23 dcook Mmm, I saw that somewhere in there 04:23 dcook Yeah, the Marc record class definitely has a method like that already 04:24 eythian the newer stuff will, we're slowly transitioning to that 04:24 dcook So the impedence mismatch is why you have the terms OO vs interpretive/procedural? 04:24 dcook Well, not the cause but... 04:24 eythian well, they're different designs. 04:24 dcook Yeah, that's what I was meaning 04:24 eythian so the abstractions are different. 04:25 dcook Is one better than the other, or just more useful in particular situations? 04:25 dcook useful/appropriate* 04:25 eythian Depends. OO is quite nice in many ways, in general I prefer it to procedural. 04:25 eythian Especially for larger things, it's more maintainable 04:26 eythian and generally better for writing test cases for 04:26 alohabot Hi mib_fji3js, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 04:26 dcook I've used it in a few instances, and am thinking about it for some other projects I have in mind 04:27 dcook I think Chris once said that Koha was written in Perl because that's what folks knew 04:27 dcook I take it that it was also written as procedural rather than OO because of old perl being ugly in regards to OOP? 04:27 eythian Most likely, yeah 04:27 eythian also, it was used much less back then 04:27 eythian (OO in perl that is) 04:27 eythian it may not have even been a thing, I'm not sure when it came about. 04:28 eythian actually, I started using it a few years later, and I think it was there then, so it probably was 04:30 dcook Hmm, interesting in any case. So you weren't one of the original developers? 04:30 dcook Despite some mild attempts to remedy it, my Koha history knowledge isn't comprehensive 04:30 eythian oh no, I started on it just 2 or so years ago. 04:30 dcook I suppose I really should read that code4lib article in its entirety.. 04:30 eythian there's a fair bit of history :) 04:30 dcook Oh wow 04:30 dcook I only started about a year ago, so there you go ;) 04:31 dcook Hopefully things will become clearer in October 04:31 eythian April '10. So nearly three years 04:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Mozilla Persona login support in Koha http://t.co/vIOJgc29qU" 04:31 eythian though I was part time on it for the first few months. 04:31 dcook Mmm, that's how I spent the end of 2012 04:31 dcook Had to go back to Canada to finish the MLIS 04:32 dcook A bit painful wanting to work on Koha full-time but having to sit through class instead 04:32 eythian heh 04:33 dcook I've been promoting the conference quite a bit though, so maybe there will be a fair number of SLAIS folks in Reno 04:33 * dcook should remember to send some emails to the faculty admin... 04:33 dcook So you had been working in Perl before Koha? 04:34 eythian everyone wants a junket :) 04:34 eythian yeah, I used it when I was at uni 04:34 eythian for data processing and such 04:34 dcook That's how I had traditionally heard it being used as well 04:34 dcook I had no idea that it was more widespread until I encountered Koha 04:35 dcook But then I met my current partner who mentioned Paul Fenwick and how he's a mover and shaker in Perl, which expanded my concept of Perl's impact quite a bit 04:35 dcook It's just not a language that you hear a lot about though. It seems like it's mostly Ruby, Python, and PHP that are trendy 04:35 dcook With Java being...well...omnipresent 04:35 eythian oh yeah, it's all over the place 04:36 eythian it used to be known as the language that glues the internet together, that's probably still true to a degree. 04:37 dcook I remember seeing quite a few cgi-bins years ago. I assume those were all Perl scripts? 04:38 eythian could be anything. You can write cgi-bin scripts in bash, or C if you want. 04:38 eythian just something that's executable 04:38 dcook Hmm, I see 04:39 * dcook sometimes wishes that he had done comp-sci or comp-sci/english rather than just english :p 04:40 eythian heh 04:40 dcook Or that library schools did more with programming 04:40 dcook But having thought on that one for a while, I don't think it would be so easy to implement 04:41 dcook I suppose if it were, they would have done it by now 04:41 eythian I think anything that involves data should include an element of programming 04:41 dcook Mmm, makes sense 04:41 eythian you're not going to be as useful as you could be if you can collect and organise, but can't process freely. 04:42 dcook Very true. I was in a cataloguing class once where we had to design a reclassification project, and most of the ideas required time-consuming hand-to-keyboard type tasks 04:43 dcook My idea was to get the systems person/people to do a programmatic change and let the cataloguer focus on something greater than manual data manipulation :S 04:43 dcook Not to devalue the processing, but rather to take advantage of automation 04:44 eythian I used to work in a psychology department helping out with that kind of thing. The amount of times I caught people who had spent a day getting half way through a manual conversion, and I was able to do all of it for them in 30 minutes. 04:45 dcook Exactly 04:54 cjh Programming isn't yet mainstream, it's still a rather specialized task. I look forward to the day when this is no longer the case. 05:01 druthb o/ 05:08 dcook Me too, cjh. Me too. 05:08 dcook Although my first target are the librarians ;) 05:08 dcook targets* 05:09 dcook Actually, I think about that in terms of programming, open-source, and Koha in general. The more people doing it...the more we can achieve. 05:09 alohabot Hi mib_3nutrl, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 05:09 dcook Rather than being "the specialists" hooarding the knowledge in the ivory tower, I rather everyone have a hand in 05:20 dcook guten morgen, cait :) 05:20 cait hi dcook :) 05:55 dcook night/morning, #koha. See you all tomorrow. 07:15 mtj hi all, any idea where the koha-3.8.6.deb file is? 07:15 mtj http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/k/koha/ 07:15 mtj …its missing from there? :/ 07:21 magnuse heh no idea 07:26 magnuse eythian would know, perhaps... 07:26 magnuse @wunder boo 07:26 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (7:50 AM CET on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 07:26 magnuse @wunder konstanz 07:26 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -6.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 07:26 alex_a bonjour 07:27 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:27 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 07:27 magnuse moahahaha 07:27 magnuse bonjour alex_a 07:27 magnuse freezing today? 07:28 alex_a yep 07:28 magnuse any snow? 07:28 alex_a no snow today. But a little yesterday at Aix en provence 07:28 magnuse ah 07:30 * magnuse hopes for some nice spring weather during the hackfest + easter... 07:41 * cait waves good morning 07:44 magnuse guten morgen cait! 07:45 magnuse cait: i beat you by 10 degrees! 07:45 cait pf 07:46 rangi @wunder nzwn 07:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Falling). 07:46 magnuse ooh nice 07:46 magnuse you win rangi :-) 07:46 rangi :) 07:48 * magnuse will take a shot at bug 9256 on friday 07:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 07:49 cait bbl 07:52 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "want to present at #kohacon13 ? .. you know you do, https://t.co/yBu5gLtE03 #kohails" 08:06 asaurat hi! 08:08 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "L'article le plus lu de la semaine dernière : À un mois de la HackFest Koha... - http://t.co/LtUVwJoU3V #Kohails #HFK13" 08:09 rangi hi asaurat 08:09 alex_a oh a tweetbot` :) 08:10 alex_a He speak french \o/ 08:10 alex_a he speaks* 08:24 kf good morning #koha 08:26 rangi hi kf 08:27 kf hi rangi 08:37 drojf good morning #koha 08:39 magnuse moin drojf 08:39 drojf hei magnuse 08:41 drojf [off] ubuntu questions often bring up weird stuff on the list 08:53 rangi hmm i was gonna test bug 8252 08:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8252 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Error in DOM biblio for UNIMARC (no range for fields 1xx) 08:53 rangi but ill defer to someone who understands it :) 08:59 kf rangi: maybe ask for a test plan if it's not clear? 09:01 rangi there is a test plan 09:01 rangi its just unimarc 09:02 kf ah 09:02 kf right 09:02 kf drojf++ 09:30 Herwig Hey all ... question .. is there a way to make a list of patrons + barcodes of the works they have 09:44 kf Herwig: you could do it with reports 09:44 kf maybe take a look at the reports library, if there is something like that already? 09:44 kf reports library? 09:44 wahanui reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 10:06 Herwig test 10:08 Herwig gonna have a look at it did not see the patron/barcode combination but maybe i can make one myself (maybe) :) 10:13 kf we can help you a bit :) 10:13 kf I think you will need borrowers and issues tables 10:21 Herwig http://mibpaste.com/92mG37 this one is a good start only i get an error 10:21 Herwig got him on the wicky 10:22 kf hm yes 10:22 kf that makes not so much sense 10:22 kf issues is a table - not a colum :) 10:22 kf let me try 10:23 kf what infrmation do you need? 10:24 Herwig patron name and firstname - barcodes off all the works they have 10:25 kf ok 10:26 kf maybe like that? http://paste.koha-community.org/399 10:26 kf it's normally easier to start simpler and add more information as needed 10:27 Herwig sec i try 10:30 Herwig applaus for kf 10:30 Herwig kf ++++ 10:30 Herwig :) 10:31 kf :) 11:05 samuel hi everybody, we have a problem when we create a biblio record: the date of the creation of this record is not added. We use 099$a for this information , which is linked to biblio.datecreated. 11:06 kf hm is this a standard unimarc field? 11:13 samuel my colleague want use this field but i have the same question 11:18 samuel oups, it's 099$c for the date of the creation. 11:19 samuel When I create a record, the columns biblio.datecreated and biblio.timestamp of the database are not copied in the subfield 099$c and 099$d of the MARC record 11:27 kf hm I am not sure if you can make it work this way 11:27 kf I think the fields might be handled by the database and not manually, but not sure 12:46 tcohen moooorning #koha 12:46 christophe_c hello 12:48 tcohen hi christophe_c 12:49 christophe_c hi tcohen 13:15 oleonard Hi #koha 13:16 bgkriegel Hello 13:22 samuel hi, i come back with my problem of biblio.datecreated and biblio.timestamp (099$c 099$d) are well created in the database but not displayed in the marc record. I think it's a question of xsl but, in this case, which file can i modify? 13:46 tcohen hi bgkriegel 13:54 bgkriegel hola tcohen 14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #28 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 14:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #298 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 10 mo ago) 14:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #28: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/28/ 14:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo 14:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo 14:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #298: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/298/ 14:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo 14:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo 14:20 magnuse nengard++ for fixing typos 15:07 oleonard Anyone else not having any luck with Persona logins? 15:10 oleonard I can log in to Persona, and my email address matches, but I can't log in to the OPAC 15:10 jcamins oleonard: It works for me. 15:10 jcamins I had to allow cross-site cookies for persona.org, though. 15:10 oleonard I guess it would have had to :) 15:10 oleonard Oh I'll bet that's it 15:12 oleonard You had to explicitly allow cross-site cookies? How did you do that juts for persona? 15:13 jcamins They're generally enabled by default. 15:13 jcamins I had previously disabled them. 15:13 jcamins I whitelisted the domain. 15:14 jcamins In Chrome, under Privacy choose "Content settings..." and under "Manage exceptions" add "login.persona.org" 15:19 kf hmm 15:22 magnuse i see a link called "Sign in with your Email" in the opac, but it does not seem to do anything? 15:23 magnuse ah, maybe because i tried with the ccsr theme... 15:23 oleonard I wonder if it doesn't work with "localhost" addresses? 15:24 jcamins oleonard: oh, of course not. 15:24 jcamins You'd have to have your own persona authentication server. 15:24 magnuse bug 9704 15:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9704 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Add persona login to the CCSR theme 15:26 oleonard Okay, works if I use a domain name rather than localhost 15:27 kf oleonard: hm worked for me with localhost too 15:27 kf maybe one of the recent changes? 15:28 jcamins kf: Persona should not have let you authenticate with a localhost address. 15:28 jcamins Wait... e-mail address or URL? 15:29 kf you can#t have a localhost email address, because you have to confirm your registration I think? 15:29 jcamins kf: exactly. 15:29 kf my koha runs on localhost and I tested this successfully 15:29 jcamins That's why I said it didn't work. 15:29 jcamins Ah. 15:29 jcamins Okay, that worked for me. 15:29 * oleonard shrugs 15:30 jcamins But your opacbaseurl has to match the URL you are using to access Koha. 15:31 kf grumps at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=C4/Letters.pm;h=2420e4a0ecb50c3408c5cf812f3ebbf2eacd5aa9;hp=862121cb8a95108d0ad0974a182b1fffe9e22412;hb=d3e191b9c66806797bce4271a82897780346e8d7;hpb=4d9220623ff6a5a969766a722721b01e9b158b0a 15:33 kf this 15:33 kf breaks sending out emails :( 15:33 kf when you have an overdue notice that has no borrowrnumber... which happens when you have a "print overdues for patrons without emails" notice 15:33 kf that you can't deactivate btw... 15:33 kf *sigh* 15:34 jcamins That patch went into Koha well over a year ago. 15:36 kf hm so it is not that maybe after all 15:37 kf *sigh* 15:37 kf maybe a side effect from some other change? 15:37 * kf goes to dig deeper 15:38 kf and sorry poor patch for blaming you 15:40 drojf look who's back 15:40 drojf with a crosspost 15:42 kf jcamins: maybe overdues wasn't using this part of the code before? 15:42 jcamins kf: it's possible. 15:42 kf I will have to check, but it's the only notice this problemwould occur with 15:49 kf jcamins: the patch went in after 3.6.3.... 15:49 kf which we updated from before it broke 15:49 jcamins That could be the patch. 15:50 kf yeah, the one from marcel... but it would mean it's still broken... I have to make a test case on current master 15:50 drojf »In some cases, on email lists and forums, an individual is put under a Stealth Ban where their posts are distributed back to them as if they were being distributed normally, but the rest of the subscribers are not sent the messages. « 15:50 drojf can we have this? :) 15:52 jcamins lol 16:04 drojf https://isc.sans.edu/diary/SSHD+rootkit+in+the+wild/15229 16:04 jcamins drojf: have they figured out the attack vector yet? 16:05 drojf i don't think so 16:07 kf ok, I am still not sure if that is the problem or not :( 16:07 drojf jcamins: i read a german article and sent the english link, but there is no news i the english article either 16:10 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Ordering from a Staged File in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/ICFdSibAOA" 16:11 maximep trying to find out for a client what the "sort by relevance" does to sort results 16:12 maximep is that explained in the manual ? 16:13 rambutan @seen gmcharlt 16:13 huginn rambutan: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> wahanui: be wizzyrea 16:13 gmcharlt rambutan: pong? 16:14 tcohen libsysguy: you're not allowed to leave koha :-P 16:14 jcamins maximep: no it is not. 16:14 jcamins maximep: and, it doesn't really do anything. 16:14 libsysguy heh tcohen 16:14 * libsysguy feels like he might be kidnapped 16:15 tcohen heh 16:15 maximep she's trying to understand why she's searching "Les filles" and the top result is "Les filles", but there's another "Les filles" at position 20 16:15 maximep it's just zebra doing magic ? 16:15 tcohen even if you manage to do it, you'll be back 16:15 tcohen it is called stockholm syndrome 16:15 maximep there's probably weird for certain fields, right ? 16:15 magnuse search rewrite? 16:15 wahanui search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 16:16 magnuse i hav a feeling jcamins is going to say that ^ s what is needed to make relevance work ;-) 16:17 jcamins maximep: basically the relevance ranking we have configured right now really doesn't do anything. 16:17 jcamins tcohen: lol 16:17 maximep :( 16:22 rambutan gmcharlt; sending you a short doc on libpac 16:23 gmcharlt rambutan: ok 16:43 oleonard Why do I keep getting logged out of the OPAC while testing lists? 16:47 kf we found it... 16:47 kf local customization.... 16:47 * kf goes in a corner to sit there for a long while 16:47 kf which meant the line numbers were not matching with the files I was looking at of course *sigh* 16:47 drojf ouch 16:48 kf *facepalm* 17:03 rambutan I seem to remember another ILS that had a "bin_custom" for all local customizations. Made it easy to find hacks. 17:04 kf rambutan: we have them in git... just doesn't help when you don't look there :) 17:04 kf ok, and now I leave before I can do something else stupid .) 17:04 kf bye all 17:20 alohabot Hi mib_izsy0x, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 17:58 drojf i think people are afraid of the alohabot 18:03 maximep haha 18:03 maximep too friendly 18:05 oleonard Maybe if alohabot just said "Use Debian, use packages. Go." 18:14 drojf lol 18:53 tcohen bye #koha 20:05 * wizzyrea waves 20:06 rambutan waves waves 20:06 rambutan you'll be happy to know we're expecting another 10" of snow tonight 20:06 bag 10" wow 20:07 * cait waves 20:07 maximep 10" is always fun =) 20:07 cait free streets here, only a bit of snow 20:08 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:08 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -2.0°C (9:00 PM CET on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 20:08 maximep 20" is less fun :/ 20:08 maximep but that's from someone that doesn't have to shovel :P 20:09 wizzyrea maximep: if they get another 10" they will have ~20" 20:09 wizzyrea total 20:09 wizzyrea in 2 weeks 20:10 rambutan http://sirocco.accuweather.com/adc_images2/english/feature/640x480/uf25.jpg 20:10 maximep we were lucky this year 20:10 maximep @wunder cyqb 20:10 huginn maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is 0.1°C (3:07 PM EST on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 20:10 bag @wunder 93102 20:10 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 18.2°C (12:08 PM PST on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 20:10 bag oh hot today :P 20:10 maximep damn, that's alot of snow 20:11 wizzyrea also, maximep - please have a look at bug 8979 20:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8979 major, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , "News" does not work with CCSR 20:11 wizzyrea :) 20:11 maximep we don't use CCSR 20:11 maximep so we really can't help anyone with it 20:12 wizzyrea that's weird you're assigned to it 20:12 maximep yeah nicole assigned all ccsr theme tickets for me 20:12 wizzyrea per the comment on 8884 20:12 cait was just checking the history - it was nicole 20:12 maximep she misunderstood my answer 20:13 magnuse @wunder boo 20:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:50 PM CET on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 20:13 bag hmm.. who should those go to? 20:13 maximep "I will do my best to get some time to look at those bugs, but they are all very easy to fix, so no need to assign them." 20:13 maximep I could ask to get time to look at them 20:13 wizzyrea oh I was really only just hoping for a sign off ^.^ 20:13 wizzyrea you don't have to fix it. 20:13 bgkriegel wizzyrea: why not change status to "Needs sign-off" 20:14 wizzyrea git bz told me it did 20:14 wizzyrea I guess it didn't 20:14 bag yeah I think edveal here has been trying to submit some patches for those - but got distracted by some other things 20:14 bag :) 20:14 cait bag: probably no one at first - or to opac default 20:14 bgkriegel I changed it 20:14 bag cool yeah opac default :) 20:15 bgkriegel wizzyrea: I'll look at it in a moment 20:15 * bag goes back to his ramen noodles :P 20:15 wizzyrea oh no worries - I thought maximep had something to do with it 20:15 wizzyrea it can sit for as long as it needs to. 20:15 cait bgkriegel++ #sign-offer of the month :) 20:15 maximep I wish I had time :/ 20:15 wizzyrea ah it's all god 20:16 magnuse @karma bgkriegel 20:16 huginn magnuse: Karma for "bgkriegel" has been increased 23 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 23. 20:16 cait maximep: I know how you feel 20:16 magnuse yeah bgkriegel++ 20:16 bgkriegel :) 20:16 magnuse @karma bgkriegel 20:16 huginn magnuse: Karma for "bgkriegel" has been increased 24 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 24. 20:16 magnuse yay! 20:16 wizzyrea god? good 20:16 bag bgkriegel++ 20:16 bag good I'm sure :P 20:17 magnuse "it's all god" - that's deep wizzyrea ;-) 20:17 wizzyrea heh. 20:18 maximep is there any rules for sending selenium tests for an enhancement I will soon send ? 20:19 maximep do I only attach the html from the IDE or do I also send an exported pl 20:19 rangi morning 20:19 cait morning rangi 20:20 magnuse kia ora rangi 20:20 bgkriegel hello rangi 20:21 bgkriegel rangi: can you look my comment on Bug 9704? 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9704 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Add persona login to the CCSR theme 20:22 rangi ill look after work 20:22 bag morning rangi 20:22 libsysguy hey maximep 20:22 bgkriegel ok 20:22 libsysguy sorry, just saw your question 20:22 libsysguy I would *suggest* that you just send the html 20:23 libsysguy its easiest to plug into the ide 20:23 libsysguy the FF plugin won't re-read the .pl file 20:23 libsysguy but if you want to submit the .pl file as a patch for the prove function you can put it in the selenium test folder 20:23 maximep sure, but the pl tests could be executed when jenkins run 20:23 maximep with something like ghostdriver 20:23 libsysguy true, but the pl tests can be generated when your patch gets through 20:24 libsysguy and then integrated into jenkins 20:24 maximep ok 20:24 libsysguy there are a few selenium tests in git 20:24 libsysguy but none of them are plugged into Jenkins 20:24 maximep yeah, saw the selenium dir 20:25 maximep not really sure how to organize my tests into it 20:25 maximep I guess I will create a suite for the test 20:25 libsysguy that is what I would do 20:26 maximep ok 20:26 libsysguy I have some tests that you can have that are in html form 20:26 libsysguy tests to log-in 20:26 libsysguy do some basic clicking 20:26 libsysguy etc 20:26 maximep what login do you use ? 20:26 maximep is there one by default with the test data ? 20:27 libsysguy typically I use the admin login. 20:27 libsysguy then I have a test to create a patron 20:27 libsysguy and assign them as a staff user 20:27 libsysguy then I log out and log in as that patron with the test 20:27 libsysguy it'll probably be broken soon the way oleonard has been ripping out YUI code 20:27 libsysguy oleonard the YUI-ripper 20:28 maximep the tests currently in /selenium seems to assume youre logged in 20:28 maximep probably the simplest way to do it 20:28 libsysguy I think all of those are written by biblibre 20:29 maximep well, they are in french 20:29 maximep so probably :p 20:29 libsysguy oh I was just saying that because I saw some wine stains :p 20:29 libsysguy jk paul_p 20:29 magnuse it would probably be a good thing if someone checked that they still work... 20:29 libsysguy aww he's not even here to hear my french wine joke :'( 20:29 magnuse libsysguy: apropos - are you still coming to marseille? 20:30 libsysguy I am not 20:30 magnuse aww... too bad! 20:30 maximep I like the way everyone says "apropos" in english 20:30 libsysguy I know, we had some good fun stuff to hack on 20:30 maximep i'm from quebec btw =) <insert poutine joke> 20:31 libsysguy hopefully I can still get some of it working and send it along with bag 20:31 * magnuse usually says "apropos" in norwegian 20:31 magnuse libsysguy: put it in a bag and hope customs don't find it 20:31 magnuse :-) 20:31 maximep never understood why use it instead of "about" 20:31 magnuse sorry for the pun bag... 20:32 libsysguy its okay bag has a bag of puns 20:32 bag no worries 20:32 libsysguy :p 20:32 bag that's my bag baby 20:33 magnuse :-) 20:33 maximep when I create a ticket with my selenium test, it's ok I CC it to you libsysguy ? 20:34 maximep to validate what i did 20:34 libsysguy sure 20:34 libsysguy there is a patch to go with it? 20:34 * libsysguy is excited somebody *wants* to use selenium 20:35 maximep used it for years at my old job 20:36 libsysguy I feel like its gotten quite a bit better 20:36 libsysguy the IDE is my best friend 20:36 maximep did everything to convince the client to have time 20:36 maximep well, the IDE is less useful now with webdriver 20:36 maximep the export is really buggy 20:37 libsysguy ^^ this 20:40 maximep I became addicted to doing selenium tests 20:40 maximep but almost 2 years at this job without doing one :/ 20:40 Dyrcona maximep: Withdrawal is a pain.... 20:41 maximep the pain is when you find all kind of regressions 20:41 maximep that should have been tested 20:41 maximep really hurts :P 20:42 bgkriegel wizzyrea: Done. It works 20:42 wizzyrea bgkriegel++ thanks :) 21:00 drojf no love for koha from the duckduckgo FOSS donations 21:00 wizzyrea ? 21:01 drojf they donate a part of their revenue each year to FOSS projects 21:01 wizzyrea did we ask? 21:02 wizzyrea I guess HLT could be the recipient of those funds. 21:02 drojf they choose half, and half is chosen by their community. i nominated the search rewrite 21:02 wizzyrea was there a vote? 21:03 drojf no, they just ask for suggestions and decide afterwards 21:03 wizzyrea so how does the community choose then? 21:03 wizzyrea link 21:03 wizzyrea I"ll just read about it :P 21:03 wizzyrea instead of hassling you :) 21:03 drojf http://duckduckgo.tumblr.com/post/44000299625/duckduckgo-foss-donations-2012 21:04 drojf that is the result 21:04 drojf https://duck.co/topic/foss-2012-donation-nominations 21:05 drojf it is usually from ddg's sie projects they use for the search engine and the community part is usually privacy-ish, so it is again this year 21:05 drojf s/sie/side 21:07 wizzyrea cool thx 21:07 drojf i should have nominated myself and ask them to pay for email encryption in koha ^^ 21:07 wizzyrea or rewriting the password storage engine 21:07 rangi :) 21:10 drojf at least they did not donate to reactos :P 21:10 wizzyrea true 21:12 magnuse "ReactOS® is a free open source operating system based on the best design principles found in the Windows NT® architecture"? 21:13 wizzyrea yikes. 21:14 magnuse and with that nugget i bid #koha a good time of the day 21:16 rangi cya magnuse 21:16 wizzyrea later magnuse 21:16 drojf heh yeah reactos is really bizarre. i never heard of it before there were a lot of people (or a few people doing it very often…) asking for it in last year's ddg donation thingy 21:17 drojf why would anyone want a FOSS OS that looks like XP and runs none-free windows-software? :D 21:17 wizzyrea next year we should apply again, and let everyone know so they can +1 on it 21:17 drojf the +1 does not really matter 21:18 wizzyrea no? then why did the projects that got more than a few +1's win? 21:18 wizzyrea i'm seriously asking. 21:18 drojf it's not a vote, it's just suggestions, and ddg people try to put it together in a kind of theme 21:18 drojf reactos got a lot of +1 last year ^^ 21:19 wizzyrea yea, but it would probably be more of an impact if more than one person suggested it. 21:19 wizzyrea "oh one guy thinks koha is cool... whatever look at this stuff that like 10 people liked" 21:19 wizzyrea you can't tell me that doesn't sway people. 21:19 drojf don't know. we can try :) 21:20 wizzyrea reactos is a dumb idea - it's not suprising it didn't win even if lots wanted it 21:20 wizzyrea good ideas with support > bad ideas with support 21:21 libsysguy anybody know what Julian Maurice nick is 21:22 wizzyrea riseup seems like a really worthy project 21:22 drojf nobody nominated javascript blocker ^^ 21:22 wizzyrea cryptocat too 21:23 eythian hi 21:23 wizzyrea but funds to TWO javascript blocking plugins seems excessive. 21:23 drojf hi eythian 21:24 drojf yeah. two javascript blockers, no library system doesn't sound right 21:24 drojf ;) 21:25 eythian @wunder nzwn 21:25 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 21:26 wizzyrea lovely. 21:27 drojf anyway, if all koha support providers donated 10% of their 2012 revenue the search rewrite would be paid for already :P 21:27 rangi heh 21:27 wizzyrea if every koha library donated 10% of what they saved in licensing fees it'd be paid for 10x over. 21:27 drojf true 21:28 rangi i think we'd be taking from the pot 21:28 drojf bill them for that 21:39 bag @wunder 93102 21:39 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 17.0°C (1:36 PM PST on February 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 21:53 Brooke o/ 21:54 bag hey Brooke 21:54 Brooke howdy 21:54 wahanui niihau, Brooke 21:56 rangi hi Brooke 21:57 Brooke i pehea to ra? 21:57 rangi ahua pai 22:04 wizzyrea hi brooke :) 22:04 Brooke hi hi hi