Time Nick Message 23:14 drojf good evening #koha 22:12 mib_q7vfww hi it's koha use yaz ? 22:11 alohabot Hi mib_q7vfww, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 21:24 rambutan http://projects.washingtonpost.com/recipes/2013/02/21/walnut-crusted-salmon/ s/salmon/beet 21:07 jcamins *figure 21:07 jcamins Everyone is trying to figre out how to make a convincing beet and walnut dessert. 20:32 rambutan pretty quiet day on chat 20:13 wahanui jcamins: de rien 20:13 jcamins Thanks for nothing, wahanui. 20:13 jcamins 5 / 8 19:37 jcamins [off] This puts the XC ahead of Kuali in the "may actually do something" pool. 19:35 jcamins Ooh, the eXtensible Catalog project released a Drupal interface. 18:15 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded. 18:15 libsysguy @later tell cait ping me when you get back 18:15 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded. 18:15 libsysguy @later tell rangi ping me when you get in 17:16 bgkriegel hehe :) 17:16 tcohen bgkriegel++ for signing all that stuff 16:45 jcamins I know. :( 16:45 bgkriegel but there are always 120+ patches to sign :( never ends 16:43 bgkriegel :) 16:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Pour ceux qui l'auraient loupé, le hashtag pour la HackFest #Kohails du 18 au 22 Mars c'est #HFK13" 16:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "For those who missed it, the hashtag for the HackFest #Kohails (18-22 March) is #HFK13" 16:43 jcamins Signoffs have been the bgkriegel show recently. 16:43 jcamins Thank _you_! 16:42 bgkriegel ok, thanks 16:42 jcamins Okay, I'm comfortable with you signing off. 16:42 bgkriegel Only him do Koha development officially for the university. My involvement is personal 16:41 bgkriegel I work in my home 16:41 bgkriegel nop 16:41 jcamins Do you and he use the same catalog? 16:40 jcamins Hm. 16:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 16:40 bgkriegel bug 9659 16:40 wahanui Which patch are we talking about? 16:40 jcamins Which patch? 16:40 jcamins You could've before! :P 16:39 bgkriegel heh 16:39 jcamins You do? I didn't realize that. 16:38 bgkriegel we work on the same university, but not together. 16:38 bgkriegel hi, a question: could I sign a patch from tcohen? 16:37 jcamins What's up? 16:37 jcamins -ish, anyway. 16:37 bgkriegel jcamins, around? 16:10 reiveune bye 16:04 kf bye all 15:48 drojf yes. i thought that would have been done already, but it is also possible that they are still working on it 15:46 tcohen some people works offline with specific tools and just uploads the .po files 15:41 drojf i thought they had paid somebody to do the translation. maybe that is not all on pootle? 15:36 libsysguy I could probably get Anna to translate, but I don't know how it works :p 15:36 * oleonard shrugs 15:36 wahanui translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/ 15:36 oleonard translations? 15:35 wahanui rumour has it translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/ 15:35 oleonard translations? 15:35 libsysguy wow Swedish needs some love 15:34 wahanui ...but translations are always committed on the stable branches... 15:34 wahanui ...but translations is always committed on the stable branches... 15:34 libsysguy wahanui translations are http://translate.koha-community.org/ 15:34 libsysguy thanks oleonard 15:34 oleonard libsysguy: http://translate.koha-community.org/ 15:29 libsysguy druthb is there a place to see koha translations and to what extent they are done 15:16 tcohen :/ 15:16 tcohen and am scared 15:16 tcohen i realized every query is case insensitive in koha 15:15 oleonard Just us people with no comments on utf8 collation in mysql :) 15:13 tcohen is there anybody out there ?... 14:36 tcohen is case insensitive??? 14:36 tcohen is it possible that the utf8 collation we recommend our users to set... 14:36 tcohen question regarding mysql.... 14:05 oleonard Triple-kyle cage match! 13:59 kf Joubu++ marcelr++ 13:58 drojf marcelr++ kf++ joubu++ # indeed 13:58 oleonard Joubu++ 13:58 oleonard kf++ 13:57 oleonard marcelr++ 13:55 drojf i tried to read it. i gave up way before half of the page. but i appreciate the work of qa people even more now. 13:48 jcamins oleonard: right. 13:48 oleonard jcamins: Meaning for this release cycle? 13:47 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 13:47 kf @later tell druthb please take a look at pootle - I can't translate, because of a server error when clicking on the need attention links (http://translate.koha-community.org/de/312/) 13:43 kf jcamins: ok 13:40 jcamins kf: marcelr: from my point of view the time for 7167 has passed. 13:25 oleonard Hi #koha 12:52 bgkriegel you must setup koha-qa first 12:51 bgkriegel nope, koha-qa.pl -c n -v 2, where n is the number of patches 12:51 tcohen perlcritic -5 ? 12:50 tcohen bgkriegel: how are you testing those POD errores? 12:47 tcohen im' about to resend 12:46 tcohen i forgot to fix some incorrect hashref handling 12:46 tcohen ya vi el error en ese patch 12:45 bgkriegel hola tcohen! 12:44 tcohen morning bgkriegel 12:15 kf :) 12:15 kf and all libraries have more circs than last year 12:15 kf hm looking at circ statistics from all our libraries 11:57 tcohen morning #koha 11:05 kf you have been very productive this morning 11:05 marcelr that was my last one for now.. 11:04 marcelr :) 11:03 kf thx for qa marcelr :) this will make a library quite happy 10:48 kf :) 10:47 marcelr kf: finally one for jared from .. katrin 10:39 kf marcelr: I understand 10:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements 10:39 wahanui bug 7167 is commented out of control 10:39 kf bug 7167 10:36 marcelr kf: i did spent already lots of time on 7167; so i skipped it now.. 10:33 kf well, marcelr++ :) 10:27 kf it might slow other features down if we change now how database updates work 10:26 kf if he is willing to push it that late in the release cycle 10:26 kf maybe we should consult with jared about the updatedatabase 10:25 kf I spent a lot of hours testing the first part (allowonshelfholds) and was almost at sign-off... then got thrown out of the loop and now it does not apply, is probably not meeting the coding guidelines and almost untestable 10:25 kf which is a pity 10:25 kf it might have to be redone in the end :( 10:25 kf but yeah 10:25 kf I think it was because bywater tested them all together 10:24 marcelr squashing them was not a good idea 10:24 marcelr :) 10:24 kf honestly. 10:24 kf I am not usre 10:24 kf they were independent bugs for each change at first, they got squashed - I was not so happy about that 10:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements 10:24 marcelr what about bug 7167 10:23 kf but of course the feature has to work 10:23 kf and I think the features are very desirable 10:23 marcelr yeah 10:23 kf it's very old and was close last release 10:23 kf a bit sad that the allowonshelfholds is still not in 10:23 kf if it's not ready it is not ready 10:22 kf very good test comments too 10:22 marcelr nothing to pass qa yet unfortunately 10:22 kf and thx for that 10:22 kf yeah very brave! 10:22 marcelr have been testing holds patche all morning so ... 10:21 marcelr no i did not file it yet; looking for a confirm 10:18 kf is there a bug for that or is it something new? 10:18 marcelr ok 10:13 kf maybe I can test in the afternoon 10:07 kf sorry, don't have access to master right now to test 10:06 marcelr no sorry when confirming a hold at checkin 10:06 marcelr anyone having the Datetime::Duration error in current master when checking in items? 10:05 christophe_c hello kf ;-) 10:04 kf hi christophe_c :) 10:04 kf hi chris 10:02 christophe_c hi 09:20 kf marcelr++ :) 09:00 tassos77 thanks for your time! 08:59 tassos77 yes you re right, because i experience more problems like the plugin 225a does not work 08:58 kf because it's a very old version 08:57 kf but if you are really still using 3.2 you should consider an update 08:57 kf I am not sure 08:57 tassos77 actually i use the 3,02 version, if i upgrade it, is it going be fine? 08:53 tassos77 thanks huginn 08:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1807 major, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , search () give odd results 08:53 tassos77 the bug 1807? 08:52 kf have you looked at the bug link I showed you? 08:52 tassos77 but if i do this search to my library, i need "" 08:51 kf but those are [ 08:51 drojf [] is not () 08:51 kf yes 08:51 tassos77 Your public library keeping your community connected. [videorecording] 08:51 tassos77 looking for this: 08:51 tassos77 http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=library 08:49 tassos77 gimme a sec to find it 08:49 tassos77 a, ok 08:49 kf which opac did you look at? 08:49 kf bywatersolutions is asupport company 08:49 tassos77 so, even if i use double quotes or not, gives the books i want 08:48 tassos77 bywatersolutions 08:48 tassos77 guys, i tried my problem to this library 08:47 kf jcamins would know, but it's too early for him to be awake - and it will take alonger time until any changes will be availab.e 08:47 kf but I think even then searching with () might require that you escape them in some way 08:47 kf there is a project in the works to rewrite the code of the search module 08:46 tassos77 what do you mean by search rewrite? 08:46 kf but I think even then () will be used to indicate grouping 08:45 wahanui rumour has it search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 08:45 kf search rewrite? 08:45 kf there is a search rewrite in the works, that will change some things 08:45 kf at the moment, this is not a matter of configuration 08:45 kf tassos77: there is not much you can do apart from teaching peope to use "" like you figured out 08:45 kf tassos77: is this a callnumber? 08:45 wahanui any ideas are welcome :) 08:45 tassos77 any ideas? 08:44 tassos77 this search works fine 08:44 tassos77 "mylib (15-19)" 08:44 tassos77 but when i close the phrase to "" double qs 08:44 tassos77 search item --- > mylib (15-19) 08:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1807 major, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , search () give odd results 08:43 kf bug 1807 08:43 drojf lol 08:43 kf don't search for those 08:43 kf right 08:42 kf quite sure it's not the search field :) 08:42 tassos77 for example parentheses or commas 08:42 kf can you give an example what yu are trying to search? 08:42 tassos77 the search field does not accept special chars 08:41 drojf hi kf 08:41 drojf soon ;) 08:41 tassos77 thanks 08:41 wahanui Go back to your books! 08:41 kf study? 08:41 kf why are you here? study? 08:40 kf morning drojf 08:40 kf people will answer when they knw 08:40 kf just ask your question 08:40 tassos77 can i ask you a fast question? 08:39 tassos77 hi 08:39 kf hi tassos77 08:38 tassos77 im a newbie to Koha and i experience a wee problem 08:38 tassos77 hi guys 08:31 kf hi gaetan_B :) 08:31 gaetan_B hello 08:17 kf good morning #koha 08:04 asaurat hi 07:46 reiveune hello 07:38 marcelr hi alex_a 07:37 alex_a_ coucou every body! 07:32 cait bbl 07:29 cait marcelr++ 07:16 marcelr :) 07:16 cait hi marcelr :) 07:16 marcelr hi koha 07:16 dcook_ Night everyone! 07:16 dcook_ All right, I'm out for the weekend 07:08 cait hi mtj :) 07:08 wahanui bbiab is probably Be Back In A Bit 07:08 mtj bbiab... 07:08 * mtj waves to all 07:07 dcook_ thanks, cait 07:07 cait and dcook_ 07:07 cait wb dcook 07:04 mtj OL use a bot to unfux MARC data 07:02 mtj haay, this is interesting -> http://openlibrary.org/people/vacuumbot 07:02 cait it's only a short walk from biblibre 07:02 cait i am there too 07:02 cait :) 07:02 cait ah cool 06:55 bag Hotel Moderne 06:54 bag yes one sec 06:54 cait bag: do you know where you will stay in marseille? 06:43 dcook allo allo, bag 06:43 bag heya dcook 06:43 bag good morning cait 06:39 dcook morning, cait! 06:33 cait good morning #koha 04:37 dcook And for reminding me to use git blame ;) 04:36 dcook Good one on adding autocomplete=off to the self-checkout 04:36 dcook oleonard++ 03:49 dcook Sweet. Merci encore. 03:49 jcamins dcook: no, I was answering you. 03:49 dcook Wait, might be different conversation...lol 03:48 dcook Cool. Thanks, jcamins 03:48 wajasu i am doing a migration this friday/saturday. packages install, but with ICU configured afterward, and postfix for mailage. 03:48 dcook At least linked in terms of the authorised_value list providing drop-downs when values are defined 03:48 jcamins Yeah, that makes sense to me. 03:48 dcook The related issue being that Asort1 and Asort2 do not appear to be linked to the Statistic 1 and Statistic 2 fields in Acquisitions module like BSort1 and BSort2 are in the Sort1 and Sort2 fields in the Patron module. 03:47 wajasu great 03:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4284 minor, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , don't show planning category fields if there were none 03:47 dcook What are thoughts about bug 4284? I think the exact issue is obsolete, but there is a related issue still. Mark it as RESOLVED | Invalid, and open a new bug? 03:45 jcamins No need to make any changes to INCLUDE_PATH. 03:45 jcamins wajasu: yes, that's the point of themes. 03:45 wajasu i was looking at templates. i see that wiht Template toolkit, one can put a INCLUDE_PATH and things render for the 1st matching template. i wonder if we could have a custom path set up, where sites could just copy existing templates, tweak them, and put them in the custom path. 03:40 mtj ie: the 'prog' opac theme was planned to be only greyscale/no colors 03:38 mtj prog was sposed to be 'non-themed' too, from memory 03:38 dcook ta, wizzyrea 03:37 jcamins Bye. 03:37 wizzyrea latah 03:37 wizzyrea and with that I'm out. 03:36 wizzyrea http://www.litographs.com/ 03:36 wizzyrea oh actually... I see now how this is put together. 03:35 wizzyrea I see. 03:35 wizzyrea but it didn't happen 03:35 jcamins Everything that could show up would show up, and then there would be themes that were suitable for the public. 03:34 jcamins The idea was that prog was going to be ugly and feature-complete. 03:34 wizzyrea anyway. ttyl :) 03:34 wizzyrea ok then. 03:34 wizzyrea huh. 03:34 jcamins That's what rangi told me. 03:34 wizzyrea really? 03:34 jcamins It wasn't intended for patrons to use. 03:34 jcamins Short for "Programmer." 03:34 jcamins Oh. 03:34 jcamins Because it's silly to copy the file just so you can fix it in CCSR. 03:34 wizzyrea why is it called prog. 03:33 jcamins True, you can do CSS-only changes in CCSR. 03:33 wizzyrea also, why prog. 03:33 wizzyrea but it doesn't look that stupid in prog. 03:32 jcamins Fix it in prog so everyone benefits. :) 03:32 jcamins Agreed. 03:32 wizzyrea well it's dumb and it should be fixed. 03:32 jcamins Yeah... that's from prog. 03:31 wizzyrea that is not the prettiest thing I have ever seen. 03:31 jcamins At least, that was my recollection. 03:31 wizzyrea [off]http://responsive.demo-mykoha.catalyst.net.nz 03:31 jcamins It's just using prog. 03:31 jcamins I didn't think ccsr had any template for news at all. 03:30 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot but 03:30 wizzyrea forget but 03:30 wahanui hmmm... but is there another instance on this machine that successfully reindexed? 03:30 wizzyrea but? 03:30 jcamins But... 03:30 wizzyrea anyway. 03:30 * jcamins frowns. 03:30 jcamins Huh. 03:30 wizzyrea but it's rather not. It's news. 03:30 jcamins Where's the table? 03:30 wizzyrea which would make sense if it was tabular data. 03:29 wizzyrea it's got a table in it ffs. 03:29 wizzyrea that's me personally 03:28 jcamins Ah. 03:28 wizzyrea it's the not-mobile part that I take issue with. 03:28 wizzyrea the mobile bits are fine 03:28 jcamins And better than the nothing that we had for mobile previously. 03:28 wizzyrea that's my weekend sorted. 03:28 wizzyrea ok then. 03:27 * wizzyrea sighs 03:27 jcamins Yes. 03:27 wizzyrea I suppose this was something we are supposed to iteratively improve? 03:27 * wizzyrea mutters at ccsr 03:17 huginn druthb: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009) 03:17 druthb @quote random 03:00 dcook :D 02:57 jcamins No leftovers. 02:57 jcamins The potatoes were *amazing*. 02:57 dcook How did the rest of the meal go? I seem to remember fingerling potatos... 02:56 dcook How the time does fly... 02:55 dcook I imagine it's probably been a good 6 months since I bought any myself as well. 02:53 jcamins Almost a year. 02:53 dcook How long ago did you move? 02:51 jcamins I think last Friday may have been the first time I bought avocados since we moved. 02:51 jcamins It's really unusual for us to buy avocados. 02:51 dcook I can't remember the last time we bought avocados :( 02:51 dcook Mmm, jealous. I think I might have to do try to squeeze in a weekend shop tomorrow 02:50 jcamins We have three that haven't yet ripened. :) 02:49 dcook No avocados laid to waste in the end? 02:49 dcook Cool. I'll have to try out those cookies 02:49 jcamins Yeah, I've successfully used an egg replacer called something like "EnerG" 02:48 dcook I suppose we could use egg replacer for the eggs 02:48 dcook Mmm, I love oats 02:48 jcamins Actually, it was more like 4.5 cups of oats. 02:48 jcamins Two small avocados (or one avocado and one stick of butter), 1.5 cups of brown sugar, 3/4 cups of cocoa powder, 1.5 cups flour, two eggs, 1 tsp vanilla extract, 1 tsp salt, 1 tsp baking soda, 4 cups rolled oats. 02:46 jcamins Errr... what's that? 02:45 jcamins Recipe? 02:45 dcook jcamins: Glad to hear it! Now I want cookies...what was that recipe again? 02:45 jcamins dcook: the avocado-based cookies are superb. 02:02 dcook hehe 01:55 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #190: "<jcamins> Hehe. Guillotine: the revolutionary card game you win by getting a head <asaurat> lol <asaurat> I mean mdr" (added by slef at 03:46 PM, February 28, 2012) 01:55 wizzyrea @quote random 01:51 dcook Mmm, very good quote 01:42 wizzyrea i forgot about that one! 01:42 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #201: "<wizzyrea> never underestimate the power of an impatient librarian" (added by chris_n at 06:00 PM, April 12, 2012) 01:42 wizzyrea @quote random 01:41 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #56: "* jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs." (added by gmcharlt at 01:34 PM, February 11, 2010) 01:41 wizzyrea @quote random 01:41 wahanui Here, kitty kitty kitty... 01:41 wizzyrea be gmcharlt 01:39 wizzyrea lulz. 01:39 wahanui Harrumph! 01:39 wizzyrea be druthb 01:39 * wizzyrea nods 01:38 wahanui Have some fudge. 01:38 wizzyrea be jcamins 01:38 bag frenchism 01:38 bag be paul_p 01:38 bag nice I like that 01:38 dcook hehe 01:38 wizzyrea ^^^ that's my favorite 01:38 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub! 01:38 wizzyrea be eythian 01:38 wizzyrea be cait 01:37 bag heh 01:37 bag be clueless 01:37 wizzyrea you say both :P 01:37 rangi thats more like it :) 01:37 wahanui Send a patch! 01:37 rangi be rangi 01:37 bag HA 01:36 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? 01:36 wizzyrea be wizzyrea 01:36 bag YAY!!! 01:36 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 01:36 bag bag? 01:36 wizzyrea oooo 01:36 wizzyrea be bag 01:36 wahanui There's a bug for that 01:36 wizzyrea be rangi 01:36 wahanui well, mtj is DeM KraZy NutZ!! 01:36 bag where is mtj? 01:36 rangi hehe 01:36 wizzyrea i know i'm still mad about it 01:36 bag damn YO - them was the days 01:36 rangi we had frbr before frbr 01:36 wizzyrea dude. 01:36 rangi we had groups yo 01:36 bag yup! 01:35 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/kohaphotos/koha/acq3 01:35 wizzyrea yes. Just like that. 01:35 rangi POW 01:35 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/kohaphotos/koha/acq2 01:35 * wizzyrea sobs 01:35 wizzyrea subtitle 01:35 wizzyrea probably title 01:35 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/kohaphotos/koha <-- like that? 01:35 wizzyrea i mean, what would you want 01:34 wizzyrea "the big words on the cover" 01:34 bag TITLE here YO! 01:34 wizzyrea seems like we do it every friday 01:34 bag make a nice simple form! 01:34 wizzyrea friday should be "we hate marc day" 01:34 wizzyrea lulz 01:34 rangi statement of responsibility .. i ask you 01:34 wizzyrea true - so we should make one that doesn't have marc words on it 01:33 rangi still has all marcy words on it 01:32 wizzyrea i mean fast add is about as simple as it gets 01:31 * wizzyrea digs 01:31 wizzyrea like the books. 01:31 wizzyrea in the nicest sense 01:31 wizzyrea dummies = people who don't care about marc 01:31 wizzyrea do we have a "for dummies" framework? 01:10 bag I don't know... 01:10 wizzyrea hm not sure 01:10 bag is anteater one word? 01:09 wizzyrea loool 01:09 bag oh she loved it 01:09 bag her fave was the ant-eater! 01:09 wizzyrea did she like it? 01:09 wizzyrea aww 01:09 bag hey wizzyrea I took Ginny-dragon to the Zoo today 01:09 wizzyrea heheh 01:08 bag finally I get a chance to use that quote!!! YAY 01:08 wizzyrea straightening people out 01:08 bag whatcha talking about willis 01:08 dcook ack, bbiab 01:08 wizzyrea yes, they would know all about that. 01:08 bag :) 01:07 dcook bag and ethyian were great at straightening me out though 01:07 dcook Wish you were there a few weeks ago when I was figuring that one out, wizzyrea :p 01:07 wizzyrea just putting that out there for all of you interested in the obvious 01:07 wizzyrea indexing works a lot better when the files are owned by the correct user. 01:06 dcook hi kylemhall 01:06 * dcook checks to make sure it's our friday 01:06 wizzyrea sup kyle 01:06 dcook -sort of 01:06 dcook But if MARC is about data storage, then storing punctuation is sort of stupid... 01:05 dcook It's just a display issue, but that's where the (undiagnosed) OCD pops up 01:05 dcook Because Koha applies AACR2 and European equivalents when it should probably not try to handle punctuation, because punctuation is variable according to the scheme 01:05 wizzyrea it's their friday, they'll be bored. 01:05 dcook Hehe. I'll keep that in mind ;) 01:04 wizzyrea you can ask them :) 01:04 dcook wizzyrea: It's the only sane strategy 01:04 wizzyrea in 6 hours you'll get europe 01:04 dcook Hmm maybe not.. 01:04 dcook What description scheme goes with UNIMARC? ISBD? 01:04 wizzyrea literally "y'all need to work that out for yourselves" 01:04 dcook Actually, I keep meaning to send in a patch in regards to that, although I don't know if it'll make it through 01:03 dcook :D 01:03 wizzyrea "use the scheme that makes sense for your institution, and do it consistently" 01:03 dcook I think the recommendation is not to abbreviate, which makes sense 01:03 wizzyrea right what I tell people 01:03 dcook You can abbreviate. You can not abbreviate. It's all good. 01:03 dcook I think the abbreviations are irrelevant now 01:02 wizzyrea fartsticks. 01:02 rangi hmm dont think so wizzyrea 01:02 dcook And it seems to work 01:02 wizzyrea did we get rid of ISBD notation? 01:02 dcook I think that's the standard approach for most special libraries, rangi 01:02 dcook It gets rid of a lot of AACR2 rules or at least makes them irrelevant 01:02 rangi pick the most sanest looking rules and follow those is probably the best approach 01:02 dcook In some ways, it seems like RDA was an acknowledgement of that 01:02 wizzyrea 42% - very scientific 01:01 dcook Very true. Can't disagree, rangi :) 01:01 rangi i challenge you to find a single ILS that actually follows the rules (all 10394890359023852 billion of them with 42% of them contradictory) :) 01:00 * dcook might have minor OCD... 01:00 dcook Not that everyone follows it consistently anyway so it's pretty flawed to begin with 01:00 * dcook tries to figure ou t a way to make a new standard by breaking the current one 01:00 dcook If anything, it's just an annoyance 01:00 dcook But that's not really a new standard 01:00 dcook InMagic has its own tagged format for handling DBTextWorks content 00:59 dcook I suppose some systems do break the rules 00:59 dcook Actually, I was thinking about this recently... 00:59 dcook hehe 00:59 wizzyrea clearly the committee approach doesn't work :P 00:59 dcook True 00:59 wizzyrea gotta be willing to break them if you want things to change. 00:58 dcook It's sort of that old cataloguing adage. If you're going to do something wrong or badly, do it consistently 00:58 dcook Yet, in the mean-time, I like adhering to the "rules" ;) 00:58 dcook I'm intrigued by the marc-must-die site :p 00:50 wizzyrea hehe 00:50 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 00:50 rangi we should use more marc 00:50 * wizzyrea giggles 00:50 wahanui http://marc-must-die.info 00:50 wizzyrea marc? 00:50 rangi recent mail to the bugs list 00:50 rangi and 440 or something hehe 00:50 rangi something to do with marc 00:47 wizzyrea which bug? 00:46 rangi mdhafen++ #taking criticism of a patch in exactly the way it was intended .. a hard skill to master 00:24 dcook I'll test it for you, tcohen :) 00:19 * dcook takes a gander at the bug report 00:18 dcook I guess that's what gaetan_B thinks about that, tcohen :p 00:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 00:17 * tcohen has been told there are free cookies for people testing bug 9659