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02:12 mtj eythian, abouty?
02:17 rangi hes off sick
02:38 mtj heya chris, no biggie - i was gonna ping him about me building the next bunch of koha packages
02:38 rangi ahh cool
02:39 mtj we talked about it pre-xmas, so im following up my promise :o)
04:24 cait morning #koha
04:29 cait @wunder stuttgart
04:29 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
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04:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.1°C (5:20 AM CET on February 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
04:33 yesan hello friends
04:34 yesan i would like to generate a report on no.of catalogue records added by a staff in a given date range. can someone suggest.
04:35 yesan hello irma
04:36 Irma hi yesan
04:36 Irma how are you doing?
04:36 yesan good doing fine
04:36 yesan i have installed koha 3.8
04:36 Irma :-)
04:37 yesan i am trying to get some reports set
04:37 Irma Koha 3.8 ...good!
04:37 yesan if i want to generate a report on cataloging statistics.
04:37 yesan like borrower added list of titles in a given date range.
04:37 yesan do you have any suggestions to modify sql script
04:38 Irma let me fetch a link
04:38 yesan k
04:39 yesan http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
04:39 Irma that's the one
04:39 Irma this page is not exactly up to date
04:39 yesan k
04:39 Irma see some of the reports are now in Koha
04:39 cait hi Irma :)
04:40 yesan you mean in koha.org
04:40 Irma hi cait :-) Long timer no speak
04:40 Irma cait time
04:40 Irma yesan the koha reference is not koha-community.org
04:41 yesan hello cait
04:41 Irma yesan are you a client of PTFS?
04:42 Irma yesan if not, them only go to koha-community.org
04:42 Irma that is Koha
04:42 Irma yesan OK?
04:42 yesan ok
04:43 yesan we
04:43 yesan we are not client of PTFS
04:43 Irma yesan look for what you need here and adapt as needed to your circumstances in your "build new" http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
04:44 yesan fine.
04:45 yesan thank you
04:47 Irma yesan Creating good reports in Koha is well worth the time and effort. I always advise our clients to think clearly on what they wish to report on, in which order the information should be displayed, who the readers of the reports are etc.
04:51 cait bbl #koha
05:58 * cait waves
06:02 * dcook waves back
06:02 dcook On the train? ;)
06:16 cait yep:)
07:20 * magnuse waves
07:23 cait morning magnuse :)
07:23 magnuse hiya cait
07:23 magnuse hurtling through the german countryside?
07:24 cait yep
07:27 rangi evening
07:27 magnuse kia ora rangi
07:28 rangi https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHVKNGpPdUJIaGtXR2hJQ2U4S3hXX2c6MA
07:28 rangi gonna do a talk? :)
07:31 * magnuse would like to
07:32 cait you mean you will?
07:32 cait :)
07:32 alex_a bonjour
07:33 magnuse i need to figure out if i will be able to make it or not...
07:41 * magnuse hopes to do something about bug 9256 for 3.10.4 at least...
07:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
07:41 reiveune hello
07:41 wahanui hi, reiveune
07:42 cait bonjour alex_a and reiveune
07:42 rangi yeah its totally not just the packages affected by that
07:43 reiveune salut cait magnuse rangi :)
07:43 cait evenng rangi
07:43 rangi hi reiveune
08:03 christophe_c hello
08:03 wahanui hello, christophe_c
08:04 christophe_c hello wahanui
08:04 cait hi christophe_c :)
08:04 christophe_c hi cait ;-)
08:28 gaetan_B hello
08:28 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B
08:38 * dcook trundles off to do dishes
08:39 * cait1 gets off the train :)
08:39 cait1 bye all
08:44 francharb hello #koha
08:50 magnuse hiya francharb
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10:03 moh Hello guys, i need help
10:03 vfernandes hi :)
10:04 moha moh is now moha
10:07 mohah oh, why does it keep signing me out?
10:07 mtj pass, sometimes the interwebs get bouncy :)
10:08 mohah anyway, i would appreciate your help very much, i have been trying since yesterday and still no success
10:08 mtj whats your problem moha?
10:09 mohah I installed koha 3.8, created a new library, set it to default, created a new patron category but i can not add new patrons
10:09 mohah i don't have the new patron tab
10:09 mtj the first thing i do is watch the koha error log, for errors..
10:10 mtj does your user have enough permissions to create a new user?
10:10 mtj try logging in as the koha database/superuser
10:11 mtj … can u add a new user then?
10:13 mtj mohah, did you get my advice before? ^^
10:13 moha i am using the database user. created after koha-create --create-db
10:13 moha from the file /etc/koha/sites/sitename/koha-conf.xml
10:14 mtj http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2013-02-20#i_1189355
10:15 mtj you are logging into koha with the koha database user, yes?
10:15 mtj ok
10:16 mtj and you click on 'patrons' from the top menu?
10:16 moh yes
10:16 mtj but no button for 'new patron' yes?
10:17 moh yes
10:18 mtj ok… you are probably missing rows in your 'categories' table
10:18 mohah how can i make it work?
10:19 mtj well.. do you have any rows in your 'categories' table ?
10:20 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "select categorycode, description from categories;" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/394
10:20 mtj mohah ^^
10:22 moh checked using mysql client
10:23 moh i have 13 rows
10:24 mtj hmm, ok thats good :/
10:27 mtj so, did you ever have a 'new patrons' button? ie: has it recently disappered?
10:27 mtj … or has it never been there?
10:32 moha no, i created a new instance and there has not been new patron button from the beginning
10:32 mtj ok, thats um, a pretty weird bug :/
10:32 mtj package or tarball install?
10:32 mohah package
10:32 mtj whats your web-browser?
10:32 mohah firefox
10:32 mtj tried using firefox and/or chrome?
10:32 mtj any errors in your browser's console?
10:32 mtj cant find yui-button-blah file, etc...
10:32 mtj excuse?
10:32 wahanui mtj: Root nameservers are out of sync
10:32 mo how can i check for errors?
10:32 mtj hmm, something a little more topical wahanui
10:33 mtj depends on yr browser and os
10:33 mo firefox, ubuntu
10:34 mtj i use firebug's console in firefox, for errors
10:35 mtj my 2 other suggestions are….
10:36 mtj 1/ drop/create a new koha db, and do a quick test re-install of a db, with all optional data
10:36 mtj (backup 1st , of course)
10:37 mtj 2/ watch (tail -f ) your apache/koha log file , for errors when hitting that 'patrons' webpage
10:39 mtj curious, where in the world are you from?
10:39 mtj (i am from new zealand)
10:41 mtj fyi, try reading back the #irc log - in case you missed some info -> http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2013-02-20
10:42 moh no errors in firebag
10:46 mtj moha, you could alos try using a koha 3.10 package, instead
10:46 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:47 mtj .. and see if that fixes your weird bug
10:48 mtj (the debian packages work for ubuntu, i think?)
10:48 mtj ok, and now i have to go… :/
10:51 moha hi mtj, i am doing a reinstall
10:51 moha i will let you know
10:51 moha thanks for the help
10:52 mtj cool, try the 3.10 package too :)
10:52 mtj Current Stable Version
10:52 mtj To get the old stable 3.10 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file:
10:52 wahanui Current Stable Version is, like, 3.4.2
10:52 mtj deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main
10:53 mtj Current Stable Version is 3.10.2
10:53 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:54 mtj ^^
10:54 moha okay, i had installed what i found on the repository. i will try 3.10
10:56 moha i meant to say oldstable
11:24 slef approved 1 comment from oleonard
12:02 moh hello mtj
12:03 slef query koha-remove
12:03 slef @query koha-remove
12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-remove needs a --force switch
12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4875 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove, koha-restore should have options similar to --request-db
12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4880 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove sometimes fails because user is logged int
12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove fails when dropping user
12:03 moh now i have error messages on both opac and intranet logs
12:03 moh koha_csc.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm
12:04 slef moh: can you see koha_csc.systempreferences in mysql??
12:19 moh slef: yes i have that table
12:26 moh i need help on koha, please
12:28 moha The installation says 'Success' on the browser but on the logs: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha_csc.language_descriptions' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Languages.pm line 354.
12:29 moha I have checked that the the table exists
12:30 slef moha: are you connecting to mysql as the user shown in your koha-conf.xml?
12:32 moh slef: yes, i am using that user
12:34 slef moh: then I do not understand why koha cannot see those tables. Look for more log messages.
12:37 liw is koha using the right database?
12:47 moha hi liw: how do i check that?
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13:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #23 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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13:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #23: SUCCESS in 13 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/23/
13:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: capitalize Z in Z39.50 where relevant
13:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #291 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 28 days ago)
13:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #23: STILL FAILING in 27 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/23/
13:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: capitalize Z in Z39.50 where relevant
13:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #291: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/291/
13:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: capitalize Z in Z39.50 where relevant
13:11 oleonard Hi #koha
13:12 jcamins Isn't running misc/cronjobs/fines.pl supposed to do something?
13:13 oleonard Fill you with a sense of vengeful power?
13:13 jcamins I was more thinking "update the database with fines."
13:14 jcamins On my development server I get a nice CSV file listing all the fines, and no database changes.
13:14 jcamins Oh!
13:15 jcamins finesmode.
13:23 jcamins oleonard: when you view the basket group page, does the button at the bottom get cut off by the language selector bar?
13:23 oleonard jcamins: 9420 introduced a padding problem with the <body> tag when the language bar is present
13:24 jcamins Ah.
13:24 jcamins So, yes, and I'm a bit late to the game on this one.
13:24 oleonard I incorporated a fix into one of the patches I submitted yesterday
13:24 jcamins Excellent!
13:25 oleonard Bug 9617
13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9617 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI menu on catalog pages with Bootstrap
13:25 oleonard I shouldn't have put it in the hard one :)
13:26 jcamins Heh.
13:26 oleonard (hard to test, that is, if you want to be thorough)
13:32 jcamins I like all these easily-tested patches.
13:33 jcamins ... so much for easily tested patches.
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13:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9615' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f748d7e42855c30a878449f3de13888580000ea> / Bug 9615 - Combine staff home page images into single sprite <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cdef9334d6b9e5bbcd89fd621338f74145635f3> / Merge branch 'bug_9625' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9
13:49 oleonard Configuring one's editor to garishly highlight trailing spaces makes editing Koha code a colorful operation.
13:50 jcamins Heh.
13:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #1056 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:13 jcamins oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/N9IsnB0t <-- the tabs are higher than the part of the page with the vendor's information
14:16 jcamins Oh, who signed off on bug 8913?
14:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Improve acquisitions navigation
14:18 oleonard Your screenshot looks consistent with the way things look elsewhere: http://screencast.com/t/nnnLOUmEHi
14:18 jcamins Good point.
14:18 jcamins Now that you mention it, the only place the tabs look right is on the patron pages.
14:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8347' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bb9d984d4f49a58f2cf1b63b445c08da3a60431> / Bug 8347: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91d91583bd19fe2fb19057d2630cbfac7bc9739f> / Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93ba
14:21 tcohen jcamins: i attached the patch for bug 9634 i was working yesterday
14:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports
14:22 tcohen no, i meant bug 9659
14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports
14:22 jcamins Excellent!
14:24 tcohen talking wiht oleonard about it, some doubts arised thou
14:24 jcamins I am sure you can figure out the best way to do it. :)
14:25 tcohen should we also warn the user on saving about non-existent auth values?
14:26 jcamins Up to you.
14:26 tcohen :-P
14:27 jcamins I mostly only have opinions on A) things my clients use, B) things that are very central to the system, and C) things that I use.
14:27 tcohen ok
14:27 oleonard It is a difficult workflow problem. Should we allow the user to save a report with a non-existent authorized value on the assumption that they will create one later? Or should we force them to leave reports creation and create their authorized value first?
14:28 oleonard In one case we trust that they will do something we're not requiring they do. In the other case we force them to abandon something they may have worked on.
14:28 oleonard I think we have to default to trusting them rather than defaulting to making them mad.
14:30 tcohen a "Save anyway?" dialog?
14:31 alohabot Hi mib_xe8uly, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
14:32 oleonard tcohen: Yes
14:34 gerundio vfernandes, just got the good news, patch for bug 8347 has been pushed to master :)
14:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
14:35 vfernandes nice :)
14:35 vfernandes bug 9145 too...
14:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
14:36 vfernandes records and authorities fileld 100 should now work fine for UNIMARC :)
14:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1056: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1056/
14:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
14:58 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8079 - opac not showing fines - says 'no'
14:58 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9582: Remove unused code from members/pay.pl
14:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9655 - Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
14:58 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
14:58 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 9455: Remove unnecessary quoting from sql
14:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
14:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9625 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on reports pages with Bootstrap
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , opac not showing fines - says 'no'
14:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9615 - Combine staff home page images into single sprite
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9582 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Unused code in members/pay.pl
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9655 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9455 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Embedded mysql quotes in sql string
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on reports pages with Bootstrap
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Combine staff home page images into single sprite
15:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1057 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9662' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b3b23e46f002456ac637241f48dbacdf6a29892> / Bug 9662: Followup for acquisition <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=220fb3f6574f2ff8fb37bfb92cf47c6d0b15064d> / Bug 9662 - ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8abe29b2530de
15:06 magnuse dbic++
15:41 tcohen is anyone working on refactoring/rewriting reports already?
15:41 jcamins Nope.
15:42 tcohen thx
15:42 atz the impediment to rewiring (unkludging) reports is that you will inevitably break something for somebody who already has reports
15:43 tcohen i need to reuse some code for that bug, and will end up writing some methods
15:43 oleonard Hi atz, long time no see
15:43 atz indeed, it has been
15:44 atz nice to see a lot of the old-timers are still around
15:44 atz :)
15:44 oleonard We've got more an more lurkers these days too
15:44 * oleonard waves to the lurkers
15:45 atz what is the status of github vs. git.koha-community.org ? is one a mirror of the other or is there crossflow?
15:45 jcamins atz: the github repo mirrors git.k-c.org.
15:46 atz ok, thx
16:01 atz i've gotten used to the pretty github interface for almost everything...
16:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1057: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1057/
16:06 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: BUG 9145: Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
16:06 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9145: Increment version number
16:06 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
16:06 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
16:06 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
16:06 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8347: Increment version number
16:06 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8913 [Revised] Improve acquisitions navigation
16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
16:06 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 5888: opac-detail subject/author links improvements
16:06 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 5888: Fix building of query in authors links
16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
16:06 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 5888: Followup add a syspref (OPACPopupAuthorsSearch)
16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Improve acquisitions navigation
16:06 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 5888: Add label for each entry in the authors list
16:06 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5888: Followup for preference description
16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , opac-detail subject/author links improvements
16:06 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5888: Increment version number
16:06 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 9662 - ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search
16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9662 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , z3950_search.pl ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search
16:06 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9662: Followup for acquisition
16:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #1058 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1056 2 hr 16 min ago)
16:07 atz hey, automated build stuff... gotta like that!
16:11 reiveune bye
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16:25 oleonard Poor alohabot, has that intro worked ever?
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16:27 maximep nytprof is just amazing
16:28 maximep having fun profiling why it's taking 120 minutes to run the fines cronjob -_-
16:28 maximep *80 minutes
16:29 maximep turns out calculating fines for stuff due in 1992 takes a long time :p
16:29 magnuse a lot of days to count...
16:30 maximep yep
16:30 maximep thousands of call to is_holiday
16:30 maximep fun fun fun
16:30 magnuse ouch!
16:38 oleonard How much does everyone love the "loading" overlay on the MARC editor? Lots?
16:38 * oleonard grumbles
16:40 oleonard Is such functionality not built into jqueryui, bootstrap, or YUI because everyone uses blockUI already?
16:46 maximep i didnt even know about blockui
16:47 maximep useful
16:50 jcamins maximep: you don't ever mark things lost?
16:51 jcamins oleonard: how can loading functionality not be available in jqueryui or bootstrap?
16:51 jcamins That's absurd!
16:51 oleonard jcamins: I mean built-in options to the modal dialog widget to create a full-page blocking overlay to prevent interaction
16:53 jcamins Yeah, and I still think it's absurd that it's not available.
16:54 jcamins It's not like that is an unusual thing to want to do.
16:59 oleonard I guess it's simple enough to do from scratch
17:00 maximep jcamins: that particular instance doesn't. Pretty sure the others do. Strongly recommended that they at least do a cleanup, if they dont want to activate the lost function
17:00 jcamins maximep: yeah, seems like a good idea.
17:02 * cait waves
17:02 cait oleonard: i found a bug
17:02 cait in the list view you can add single items to your cart, ut not all!
17:02 cait heh
17:03 * cait is on the train now after spending a day with a school ibrary
17:03 cait it was very interesting
17:03 * not_oleonard suspects his ruse hasn't worked
17:04 cait nope, I am not THAT tired that I don't know you :)
17:04 oleonard cait: OPAC or staff client?
17:04 cait also callnumbers on the list view is a big wishlist item
17:04 cait opac
17:05 cait I can file a bug tomorrow, I still have to make sense of all my notes and what I heard today
17:05 oleonard Call numbers on on the list view in the OPAC
17:05 oleonard on on -> *are* on
17:06 oleonard Oh I see, there isn't an "add to cart" link at the top of a list view you mean?
17:07 cait oh,no I think that was staff... actually not sure
17:07 cait they wanted to be able to create a list easily
17:07 cait with callnumbers
17:07 cait but the cart thing was on opac
17:07 cait my idea was to just add all the items from the list to the cart, because the callnumber shows there
17:07 cait that's why I noticed oyu can't bulk add there to the cart
17:07 cait yep
17:07 cait but on each individual entry there is
17:07 cait probably not really a bug.... strictly speaking
17:07 cait :)
17:08 cait sorry if I am making no sense... I just talked a lot today
17:08 cait :)
17:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1058: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1058/
17:16 cait trains...
17:16 wahanui trains are easy peasy
17:16 cait thank you wahanui
17:18 cait oleonard: hope I didn't scare you away? jcamins?
17:19 * oleonard is still here
17:19 cait oh good :)
17:19 jcamins Yes?
17:19 cait jcamins: is there something that needs to be QAd urgently?
17:20 oleonard Call numbers show in the staff client list view, but it's done in a nonsensical way
17:20 jcamins Bug 6030
17:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6030 critical, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Signed Off , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices
17:20 cait oleonard: sorry, I did confuse you - i was talking about the cart - you can't do select all > add to cart
17:21 cait and it's not a bug, only a feature request and I will just try to make a bug in bugzilla tomorrow
17:21 oleonard From the lists view. Yes, I understand. But if you're adding items to the cart so that you can see the call number isn't the real bug about the list view?
17:21 cait oh and good hint about the callnumbers
17:22 cait probably, but you can't print the list
17:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #24 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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17:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image
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17:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image
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17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #292: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/292/
17:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image
17:41 rangi holy crap
17:41 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8332389/Massive-Wellington-blaze-threatens-houses
17:41 oleonard Whoa
17:42 rangi thats near the kids school
17:42 rangi if you pan left the school is there
17:42 bag damn
17:47 cait oh no
17:48 jcamins Yikes!
17:48 cait 2-3 days!
17:50 rangi theres currently 3 helicopters flying over the house with monsoon buckets
17:53 alohabot Hi mib_7j1otm, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
17:56 mib_7j1otm I just finished installing Koha 3.08.02 on Ubuntu server 12.04; everything works except SIP2; probelm is that socket opens a TCP6 instead on TCP4; is this a known probelm with this version or there is something wring wih my installation? thanks
17:56 jcamins mib_7j1otm: sounds like a problem with your configuration, but I don't know enough about troubleshooting SIP2 to tell you where to look for the problem.
17:56 jcamins Also, why 3.8.2?
17:56 jcamins There were important security fixes in 3.8.6.
18:00 mib_7j1otm just tried 3.10 and could not get it running then I switched to 3.8.2, just didn't know about 3.8.6
18:03 oleonard mib_7j1otm: What method are you using to install Koha? Packages? tarball?
18:04 jcamins mib_7j1otm: the current 3.8.x version is 3.8.9, which would be even better to use than 3.8.6.
18:11 mib_7j1otm I used tarball
18:14 mib_7j1otm The problem with sip2 using TCP6 instead of TCP4 is also mentioned here : http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2010-08/msg00548.html
18:15 atz that probably is just a new default behavior for Net::Server
18:15 jcamins That is a very old bug on an unrelated project.
18:16 atz here: http://search.cpan.org/~rhandom/Net-Server-2.007/lib/Net/Server.pod#SOCKET_ACCESS
18:16 atz "NOTE: beginning in Net::Server 2.005, the default value......"
18:17 atz "You can force IPv4 only by adding an ipv => 4"
18:17 atz so try adding that to the run() call
18:19 atz or you could try to downgrade Net::Server below 2.005
18:22 mib_7j1otm I will try this and let you know thanks
18:23 rangi 3.8.9 is out ... where did you manage to get 3.8.2 from without seeing 3.8.9 just want to know so others dont make the same mistake
18:25 mib_7j1otm Got it last week, downloaded from community by version number.
18:25 jcamins Why were you looking for 3.8.2?
18:25 jcamins The downloads page lists the current version of 3.8.x.
18:33 rangi good old mibbit
18:34 magnuse yeah!
18:46 maximep anyone has an idea of why is intranetuserjs in the header ? Wouldn't it make more sense to have it at the bottom of the footer, to be executed last ?
18:46 jcamins maximep: I don't know, but I would think it would, yes.
18:47 maximep trying to do stuff in javascript for once instead of doing it directly in the templates =)
18:48 maximep I could send a patch, but it would probably break some userjs :/
18:48 cait hm shouldn't it work the same?
18:49 maximep it executes the document ready in the order you give them
18:49 cait brb
18:50 magnuse create a new syspref called intranetuserjslast?
18:50 oleonard More than just intranetuserjs could be moved to the footer
18:52 atz oleonard: .... for *most* operations, but not all (in all browsers)
18:52 maximep you mean the other js ?
18:53 atz for example, request to webservices providing webfonts. IE (8/9) needs those in <head>.
18:53 atz there are numerous other gotchas like that
18:54 maximep sure
19:04 maximep was there ever a discussion about just doing a mega patch reformating all the code to be spaces instead of tabs ?
19:04 maximep or better, just reformat everything following the coding style in the wiki
19:05 jcamins maximep: yes, and we're not doing it. It loses too much history.
19:06 maximep ah, i see
19:06 maximep too bad we didnt do it when we moved to tt :/
19:06 rangi but i love it when people fix the formatting of whatever they are touching
19:06 rangi maximep: that actually only touched a very small amount of perl
19:07 jcamins maximep: the problem is that the style guidelines are more about Perl than the templates, and the TT transition involved ve... yes, exactly.
19:07 maximep ah, good point
19:07 rangi actually bgkriegel has been good about fix tabs etc when he signs off
19:08 rangi the koha-qa tools will catch any stuff that is wrong in the commit
19:08 jcamins Yeah, bgkriegel's doing amazing signoffs.
19:08 jcamins bgkriegel++
19:08 rangi often a commit moves something a line down and then the qa tools notice hey that line has tabs
19:09 maximep nice
19:09 rangi so the person writing the patch gets blamed hehe, but blame doesnt really matter if it means the tab is fixed :)
19:09 maximep id rather have my patch rejected multiple times because of style
19:09 maximep than doing something wrong
19:09 rangi exactly
19:10 * oleonard has a pre-commit hook that checks for whitespace problems in changed lines
19:10 rangi actually i learnt a trick
19:10 rangi which would mean we could do a mass tidy
19:11 maximep I turn off all my whitespace and tidy stuff when I work in koha :/
19:11 maximep whitespace merge conflicts are the worst
19:11 jcamins Whitespace merge conflicts?
19:11 wahanui Whitespace merge conflicts are the worst
19:12 maximep :p
19:12 rangi -w
19:12 rangi git blame -w
19:12 rangi ignore whitespace changes .. et viola we dont lose history
19:13 maximep that includes tabs to spaces ?
19:13 jcamins Awesome!
19:13 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins
19:13 rangi yep
19:13 rangi lemme just test
19:13 maximep I should just add -w to everything
19:14 maximep git merge -w would fix my merge conflicts
19:14 rangi git blame
19:14 wahanui git blame is, like, handy, but it's just one tool in our debugging arsenal
19:14 rangi 28d9f13c (Chris Cormack 2013-02-21 08:11:33 +1300 1) #!/usr/bin/perl
19:14 rangi git blame -w
19:14 rangi 13f6840c (rych 2007-03-09 20:33:59 +0000 1) #!/usr/bin/perl
19:15 rangi that was a trailing tab, then a tab to a space
19:15 rangi so yep
19:16 rangi we could totally perltidy a file (as a sep commit)
19:16 rangi and would ignore whitepace
19:16 rangi lemme try on that whole file
19:18 rangi yeah that worked a treat
19:19 rangi so thats a possibility if someone wants to write up a plan ill vote yes for it in the next meeting
19:21 maximep cool
19:22 * maximep hates to be the guy that really wants it but has no time to do it
19:45 drojf good evening #koha
19:51 * cait waves from home
19:54 drojf hi cait
19:55 cait hi drojf
19:55 drojf came to tell you to go and study, but remembered you were on a trip when i did not see you here ;)
19:55 cait heh
19:55 cait I finished last night
19:55 drojf cool
19:55 cait exam on march 2nd
19:55 cait well the written one for that course
19:56 drojf good luck for that :)
20:13 rangi back
20:13 drojf hi rangi
20:15 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8332389/Wellington-blaze-It-was-just-a-ring-of-fire <-- good work those firefighters 20-50 houses saved
20:16 jcamins What did C4 stand for originally?
20:16 drojf there is a talk about that ;)
20:16 jcamins Yes, but I've forgotten and that would require watching a video.
20:17 rangi who did that talk?
20:17 rangi C4?
20:17 wahanui hmmm... C4 is a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
20:17 drojf something something cheerful version of $system_beginning_with_c. sorry, not too much that i remember
20:17 drojf ah
20:17 drojf :)
20:17 jcamins rangi: I presumed since drojf said that that _you_ did the talk.
20:17 jcamins The excellent history of Koha talk.
20:17 rangi i might have and forgotten about it :)
20:17 Dyrcona Carl?
20:18 rangi http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-18509289/contec-c2-graphical-user.html
20:18 rangi that
20:18 rangi C2
20:18 rangi C4 was gonna be twice as good
20:18 rangi or explode
20:18 rangi i couldnt decide which
20:18 jcamins lol
20:19 rangi when we started writing an ils for a deadline in 3 months
20:19 drojf i think it was http://blip.tv/the-curious-and-wondering-eye/kohacon10-video-1-rosalie-blake-4367524
20:19 rangi ah yep
20:20 drojf heh. "version of". yeah right, starts with a big "c". sorry, have been studying all day, brain is off
20:20 rangi http://archive.org/details/Kohacon09Keynote <-- probably there too
20:24 drojf [off] "If you are alone and want to find your love, you can write me and we'll start communicating." <- aaaw isn't that a nice email to get from a stranger?
20:26 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now
20:26 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
20:26 rangi heh
20:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1059 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1056 6 hr 35 min ago)
20:26 oleonard Neat. If you try to view source on authorities/authorities.pl in Firefox or Chrome you'll crash the browser.
20:26 jcamins Really?
20:26 rangi too big?
20:27 * jcamins tries
20:27 * wizzyrea waves
20:28 oleonard Not on fire I take it wizzyrea?
20:28 wizzyrea nope, not so near my house
20:31 cait wizzyrea: good.
20:31 jcamins oleonard: didn't crash for me, though loading the source took a long time.
20:32 oleonard I tried again but then gave up
20:32 * oleonard sounds like a mailing list email!
20:32 rangi heh
20:32 cait heh
20:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @aestivus: "@nengard Not live yet, alas! And thanks for the hashtag tip! #kohails"
20:42 rangi i wonder what i was actually planning to do today
20:42 cait hm you wanted to...
20:42 jcamins Do we really not have a way to disable lists on the OPAC only?
20:43 cait add some reall ycool features?
20:43 oleonard jcamins: No
20:43 jcamins I see the virtualshelves syspref, but that seems to be for staff client and OPAC.
20:44 jcamins Wait...
20:44 jcamins it has no impact on the intranet.
20:44 cait yep
20:44 rangi jcamins: oh yeah i meant to ask, the persona thing, could it be differing emails? if so I need to do a follow up to handle that nicer
20:45 jcamins rangi: I tried it with both my e-mail addresses, which are associated with two different accounts, and in neither case did it log me in.
20:45 rangi hmm weird
20:46 rangi if you view source the bottom of the page should have the email address set in it (in the js)
20:46 cait so borrowers.email = personaemail?
20:46 rangi but either way i need to make it handle valid persona, invalid koha, better
20:58 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails KohaCon13 Registration and Call for Presentations Open http://t.co/92P1rxFi"
21:19 oleonard Bye #koha
21:20 wizzyrea byeee
21:20 wizzyrea gr too slow
21:33 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
21:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1059: FIXED in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1059/
21:34 rangi hmm my brain has the dumb
21:35 cait mine too
21:41 rangi i do like that you are logged in as the db admin
21:43 jcamins Someone sent a message to the list reporting that as a bug.
21:43 jcamins I found that amusing.
21:43 rangi lol
21:48 magnuse dpavlin is coming to marseille too? cool!
21:50 rangi yeah that is golded jcamins
21:50 rangi golden too
21:54 wizzyrea i laughed at that email too
21:54 magnuse which one?
21:54 wahanui which one is the "native" files?
21:54 magnuse wahanui: forget which one
21:54 wahanui magnuse: I forgot which one
21:55 wizzyrea the worst thing was that every time you went to issue something, it would ask you to set your library then dump you back to wherever you started instead of where you were going
21:55 wizzyrea re: the db admin user
21:55 wizzyrea at least that's the thing that annoys me the most
21:55 wizzyrea much nicer to just have a separate user.
21:59 rangi ok, stopped the looping
22:00 rangi now just to get it to do a nice error message
22:09 cait night all :)
22:29 rangi hmm whats the trick we do with the _ we do in js?
22:30 jcamins _("Text for translation")
22:30 rangi perfect
22:32 rangi yay now we get
22:32 rangi Could not login, perhaps your persona email does not match your borrower one
22:33 rangi ill change borrower to Koha
22:33 rangi but now it traps the error and gives you an alert and stops the redirect loop
22:34 wizzyrea \o/
22:34 wizzyrea does it check all of the email fields?
22:34 rangi only primary at this stage
22:34 wizzyrea cool
22:34 wizzyrea we don't force emails to be unique do we
22:35 rangi im not sure if we do
22:35 rangi probably not
22:35 rangi you'll get the first match in that case
22:35 wizzyrea what happens if you have a parent who has a kid, and the parent put their email on the kid's account
22:35 wizzyrea ah ok
22:36 wizzyrea or husband and wife pair, often the elderly do this
22:36 rangi yep, theyd have to login the old fashioned way
22:36 wizzyrea cool
22:37 wizzyrea i guess the answer to the first question is, you can't accidentally get into the wrong account using persona, can you?
22:37 rangi only if that person has the email address you are logging into persona with
22:37 rangi so yes if you got into someones account set the email to yours
22:38 rangi then you could login to theirs
22:38 rangi but since you were already in there before that
22:38 wizzyrea or the library staff were
22:38 rangi yep
22:38 rangi if library staff go round assiging your email to the wrong ppl
22:38 wizzyrea or multiple people
22:38 rangi yep
22:39 rangi itd have to be the one that you have access to
22:39 rangi ie persona verifies your email
22:39 rangi and youd be getting all their overdue emails etc too
22:39 wizzyrea right of course.
22:39 rangi so, short answer persona wont protect you from crazy library staff :)
22:40 wizzyrea ok hear me out - maybe a patron should be able to select the email field to use for persona
22:40 rangi yep thats a possible future enhancement
22:40 wizzyrea because it might be different from the one they want to receive notices from
22:40 wizzyrea anyway yes, probably a future enhancement
22:40 rangi (you can associate multiple emails addesses to your persona account)
22:41 rangi and pick the one you want to login to koha with
22:41 wizzyrea ohhhh cool.
22:41 rangi thats what i was just fixing
22:41 wizzyrea i really ought to get one of those:P
22:41 rangi handling when you login to persona with an email not in koha :)
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22:42 jcamins wizzyrea: just make sure not to forget your password.
22:43 wizzyrea you mean persona?
22:43 drojf rangi: what is it supposed to do in the last case?
22:43 rangi now its just going to not loop continuously trying to log you in
22:43 rangi but instead gives you a nice message saying
22:44 rangi Couldn't log you in, perhaps your emails don't match (or words to taht effect)
22:45 rgbv hi all
22:45 wizzyrea hi
22:46 drojf rangi: ah, alright then. i was wondering if some magic was supposed to happen to still log in. i was just thinking how that will work with the email encryption if the address is not in koha *looks at "unfinished projects i got no time for"-pile*
22:47 rangi :)
22:47 rangi nope if it doesnt match, you have to either login with one that does, or do it the old way
22:47 jatara Got a quick question...I was wondering if there was any reason not to use batch delete with weeding items as opposing to withdrawing books?
22:47 rgbv I've noticed some weird behavior in koha since upgrading the server this morning
22:47 rangi hmm?
22:48 wizzyrea jatara- that is entirely a matter of library policy
22:48 wizzyrea there is no technical reason to do it one way or the other
22:48 drojf rgbv: what does it do?
22:48 drojf or, not do?
22:49 jatara What are the pros and cons of either option?
22:49 wizzyrea withdrawn items will still show in the catalog, deleted ones won't
22:49 wizzyrea you can easily restore a withdrawn item
22:49 wizzyrea deleted ones are harder.
22:50 wizzyrea (easier to just re--add it )
22:50 wizzyrea you can do reports on both, so that's not an issue
22:50 rgbv opac searches are not resolving ' that are pasted in they give this: ../opac-search.pl?idx=&q=Mother’s which gives a nasty error page rather than ../opac-search.pl?q=Mother's
22:50 jatara you can do a report on deleted items? how?
22:51 jcamins rgbv: is it telling you that it can't load a module?
22:51 wizzyrea select (stuff) from deleteditems
22:51 wizzyrea schema
22:51 wizzyrea schema?
22:51 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
22:51 wizzyrea http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/deletedbiblio
22:52 rgbv it gives this error: Technical Information (for support personnel) Error Code: 500 Internal Server Error. The request was rejected by the HTTP filter. Contact the server administrator. (12217)
22:52 wizzyrea http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/deleteditems.html
22:53 jatara i didn't know you could run a report on deleted items, so even when "deleted," they're not good for good?
22:53 rangi rgbv: that doesn't sound like a Koha error, is there a proxy between you and Koha?
22:53 drojf rgbv: are you the server administrator?
22:53 jatara gone for good
22:53 rangi rgbv: and what version of koha is it?
22:53 wizzyrea I think it doesn't keep every little thing
22:53 wizzyrea but there's nowhere in the interface to view deleted items
22:53 rangi it keeps the full record, and there used to be an interface
22:54 rangi it got killed version 3.0
22:54 wizzyrea (anymore)
22:54 rangi by the demonspawn
22:54 * wizzyrea sighs
22:54 rangi ill resurrect it one day
22:54 rgbv 3.06.07.000 @ waitaki for better or worse I administer the server
22:54 rangi ahh hey chris
22:55 rangi that sounds like the proxy between you and koha throwing that error
22:55 rangi the cause is the lovely microsoft ’ vs '
22:55 rangi you could look at the the error logs in
22:56 jatara are there any reasons why a library would prefer a withdraw over a batch delete?
22:56 wizzyrea heh, I can't answer that for you
22:56 rangi /var/log/koha/waitaki/
22:56 wizzyrea @quote get 123
22:56 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
22:56 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
22:56 jcamins jatara: yes, it offers a better way of tracking popularity.
22:56 rgbv hi Chris :), cheers I'll look at the log
22:57 jatara how so?
22:57 wizzyrea ...if you are using that
22:57 jcamins Patrons can see "okay, they used to have fifteen copies, now they have five... I guess this is the best-seller from fifteen years ago."
22:57 wizzyrea i have never once heard a patron say anything like that
22:57 jcamins wizzyrea: nor have I.
22:57 wizzyrea more likely they would say "why do you list 15 items if you only have 5"
22:58 jcamins wizzyrea: but that is why my college library listed withdrawn items.
22:58 wizzyrea well that is insane.
22:58 wizzyrea sorry. mad scheme.
22:58 jcamins Your point? :P
22:58 dcook rangi: Is the persona concept similar or the same to openID? A friend of mine mentioned it as a viable possibility yesterday. I'm not super knowledgeable about authentication, but she couldn't seem to think of why openID wouldn't work with Koha
22:58 jcamins dcook: very similar, except with less XSS.
22:59 rangi rgbv: from what i can tell its not reaching the koha server being blocked by IIS before it can get there
22:59 rangi but the logs would confirm that guess
22:59 jcamins At least, I think that was what the Persona site said.
22:59 jatara so if an item is deleted via batch delete, we still keep a record of it (sorta), but that record is not easily retrieved, corect?
22:59 dcook hehe
22:59 wizzyrea right
22:59 jcamins Right.
23:00 dcook jcamins: I've always been skeptical of openID (although I didn't know it as openID at the time), although I suppose it's always difficult to gauge the reliability of the message of a competing technology
23:01 drojf good night #koha
23:01 jatara so when an item is "deleted" are there any aspects of that record that are permanently gone?
23:01 rgbv rangi: what do I need to look for in the logs? (I have'nt much xp with them)
23:01 jcamins Date last edited, maybe.
23:01 rangi rgbv: ahh its definitely not getting to koha
23:01 wizzyrea I'm not sure about that
23:01 rangi rgbv: run
23:01 jcamins But actually, I'm not even sure it gets replaced by the deleted date.
23:02 rangi tail -f /var/log/koha/waitaki/opac-access.log
23:02 jcamins Other than that, everything stays.
23:02 rangi and then hit the page
23:02 rangi http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother%E2%80%99s
23:02 rangi you will notice nothing gets to koha
23:02 rangi if you hit http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother%27s
23:02 rangi otoh
23:02 rangi you will see entries appear in the log
23:03 wizzyrea http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother's
23:03 wizzyrea works for me ^.^
23:03 jcamins rangi: ... IIS can't handle apostrophes?
23:03 rangi jcamins: only windows ones it appears
23:03 wizzyrea can't handle not %27 apostrophes
23:03 rangi ' is fine ’ isnt
23:04 wizzyrea maaadness
23:04 rangi rgbv: so its being blocked before getting to koha
23:04 rangi rgbv: i hope that makes sense and/or is helpful :)
23:05 rgbv cheers, thats most helpful, I'll get them to set the apostrophes free
23:06 rangi cool
23:06 wizzyrea fly little apostrophes! fly!
23:06 rgbv :)
23:13 jcamins I just realized something... Persona doesn't work with non-public servers, does it?
23:13 rangi how do you mean?
23:13 rangi my 192.168.2.188 server i developed it on?
23:13 jcamins Right.
23:13 rangi yeah it does
23:14 jcamins Oh, good!
23:14 wizzyrea you mean "not internet connected"
23:14 rangi as long as that server can talk to the internet that is
23:14 wizzyrea perhaps?
23:14 jcamins But... how?
23:14 jcamins No, I meant behind a firewall.
23:14 rangi if the server cant verify an assertion with a persona server
23:14 jcamins I thought it had some sort of callback.
23:14 rangi then no it wont work
23:14 rangi nope
23:15 jcamins I didn't look at the code yet since I couldn't figure out how to get it working.
23:15 rangi what happens is the client logs in
23:15 rangi to persona
23:15 jcamins And the commit message mentioned a /svc/login call.
23:15 rangi yep thats local
23:15 jcamins Ohhh.
23:15 jcamins Very cool!
23:15 rangi there is an /opac/svc/login
23:15 rangi script created for this
23:16 rangi however that script has to verify the assertion given to it by the client
23:16 rangi with a persona server somewhere, in this case the main one
23:16 jcamins Right, but the Persona server isn't connecting to /opac/svc/login, it's /opac/svc/login making the connection to Persona.
23:16 rangi right
23:16 jcamins Awesome!
23:16 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins
23:16 jcamins lol
23:17 * dcook chuckles
23:27 jcamins I have one stick of butter and cocoa powder, and would like to bake something dessert-like with it.
23:27 jcamins Suggestions?
23:29 jcamins http://catesworldkitchen.com/2010/04/chocolate-oatmeal-cookies/ <-- I could make that and add a few tablespoons of avocado...
23:29 jcamins AVOCADO!!!!
23:29 jcamins Butter problem = a thing of the past
23:30 jcamins What is with this trend of using cake mix instead of actual ingredients?
23:34 dcook jcamins: By trend, do you mean the past 20-30 years? :p
23:35 dcook Admittedly, I've often been a mix/pre-made person, but my partner is giving me flak, so b ack to actual ingredients we go!
23:36 jcamins dcook: no, this is more recent.
23:36 jcamins It used to be that you used cake mix for, well, cake.
23:36 dcook As opposed to?
23:36 jcamins Now there are "three ingredient" recipes for avocado cookies that call for "avocados, milk, and cake mix."
23:36 jcamins wtf?
23:37 dcook O_o
23:37 dcook I see what you're saying now
23:37 dcook P.S. avocado cookies? I'm intrigued.
23:37 dcook P.P.S. are avocados ridiculously expensive in the US as well?
23:38 jcamins Yes they are.
23:38 jcamins I found these: http://dairyfreecooking.about.com/od/cookies/r/Avocado-Brownies.htm
23:38 jcamins However, I am simply going to replace a stick of butter with an avocado.
23:39 dcook Oooo that looks good
23:39 dcook My partner is vegan and I'm increasingly so myself, so always good to see non-dairy recipes
23:48 bgkriegel jcamins: testing bug 5608. Perlcritic complains about a require statement, but there are lots of scripts that also fails (or not but use same code). What to do?
23:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5608 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mdhafen, Needs Signoff , Tool to move MARC21 series info to 490 tag
23:53 jcamins Ignore the perlcritic complaint.
23:54 dcook Intriguing...
23:54 jcamins The perlcriticrc file in the Koha repo tells perlcritic to ignore it.
23:55 bgkriegel mm, i'm using koha-qa and percritic file
23:55 bgkriegel in my home
23:56 bgkriegel ok, ignore :)
23:56 dcook ...that bug looks weird
23:56 dcook Maybe it's just the wording