Time  Nick         Message
22:54 * dcook      concurs
22:54 * jcamins    proceeds to get "Seven-and-a-half cents" stuck in Shari's head.
22:52 bgkriegel    :)
22:51 wizzyrea     well obv ours is the best one :P
22:50 mib_vozrm0   what are some good irc chennals?
22:50 alohabot     Hi mib_vozrm0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
21:43 bgkriegel    night cait
21:43 cait         good night all :)
21:35 jcamins      Hehe.
21:35 bgkriegel    hacked-up already :)
21:34 jcamins      + a bunch of fixes and a few enhancements from 3.8 and 3.10
21:34 jcamins      bgkriegel: 3.6.10ish.
21:34 bgkriegel    jcamins: what version are you running?
21:34 jcamins      (which is to say, you can do it!)
21:34 Morthland    Takes a while.
21:33 Morthland    I submitted that patch.
21:33 jcamins      All the patches I run are in _a_ version of Koha.
21:33 * jcamins    does that.
21:33 rangi        or better yet, submit patches :)
21:32 jcamins      Well, not so much hacked-up as, I aggressively backport bugfixes.
21:32 Morthland    Like when LCCN wasn't an available Z3950 query, we changed that script
21:32 * jcamins    also runs a hacked-up version.
21:32 jcamins      That's what I do.
21:32 rangi        you can build your own packages
21:31 Morthland    My only issue is that I run a hacked up version of koha.
21:29 jcamins      The only one they don't handle is deciding whether or not to upgrade, in fact.
21:29 wizzyrea     the packages do handle many of the more unpleasant upgrade tasks for you
21:29 Morthland    This has been a much trickier upgrade then my upgrade from 3.2 to 3.8. I ought to switch to packages.
21:26 Morthland    Thanks.
21:26 Morthland    Gotchya
21:25 wizzyrea     yep, now you need to hit the intranet and do your DB update
21:25 Morthland    now I get forwarded to the maintenence page
21:24 jcamins      Yes.
21:24 cait         :)
21:24 Morthland    is that the standard naming scheme for Perl Packages?
21:23 rangi        is the name
21:23 rangi        libdatetime-format-mysql-perl
21:23 Morthland    I got Unable to locate package
21:22 rangi        and debian security team (who ubuntu shamelessy use :))
21:22 rangi        packagers take care of that for you
21:22 rangi        because if you use CPAN you have to remember to watch all the bug trackers and watch for security updates and upgrade etc
21:22 Morthland    Good to know
21:22 rangi        only use CPAN as utter last resort
21:22 rangi        always apt-get install
21:21 rangi        yes
21:21 Morthland    if I apt-get install, will that fix?
21:21 Morthland    Says the test is failing
21:21 Morthland    It wont let me install the dependency
21:20 rangi        thats where the packages rule :) they pull all those in for you
21:19 wizzyrea     libdatetime-format-perl
21:19 wizzyrea     yep, you probably need to install the new dependency
21:19 Morthland    Can't locate DateTime/Format/MySQL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 30. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm li
21:18 Morthland    As of update to 3.10, receiving this error at opac:
20:52 bgkriegel    yeah :)
20:52 wizzyrea     always better when people can get help in their native language anyway :)
20:51 wizzyrea     bgkriegel++
20:51 bgkriegel    Hi rangi. I wrote to him (in spanish) that his email was not understandable (was reading the irc logs)
20:51 rangi        hi bgkriegel
20:47 bgkriegel    hi
20:31 drojf        my guess is "can i put my ebooks (as in files) into koha", but not sure
20:30 wizzyrea     hehe
20:29 jcamins      Heh.
20:29 rangi        well maybe bgkriegel or tcohen will understand that email, because I dont
20:28 kathryn      hi cait!
20:28 cait         hi kathryn
20:25 cait         wb
20:23 rangi        back
19:05 cait         bye rangi
19:05 * rangi      goes to take the kids to school
19:05 cait         yeah, I did so far
19:05 rangi        so id ignore that
19:05 cait         Morthland: I tink you only need that if you wanted to switch on solr
19:05 rangi        thats not required anyway, just optional
19:04 Morthland    Some of these dependencies I'm sure I have, MooseX::Types, for example. I guess they are just out of date
19:02 jcamins      Ah, nifty.
19:01 rangi        changed and not synced
19:01 cait         it's a monday problem
19:01 * cait       hands Morthland the cookie tin
19:00 Morthland    It's listed a bunch of perl dependencies, I should install these before running make?
18:59 Morthland    It'
18:59 jcamins      Changed and...
18:59 jcamins      rangi: "!?" ?
18:59 Morthland    That fixed it
18:58 Morthland    I'm running the flag --prev--instal--log
18:58 Morthland    Facepalm
18:58 Morthland    I see my problem
18:57 rangi        will be prompted only for settings that have been
18:57 rangi        Reading values from install log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log.  You
18:57 rangi        6307 koha:f5220e4!? %  perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log
18:57 rangi        heres what i get running it here
18:56 Morthland    I'm running the command sudo
18:56 cait         rangi: could it be something related to permissions? the file can't be read or something?
18:56 rangi        no
18:56 Morthland    should I move the file?
18:56 rangi        right, so yep that looks ok
18:56 Morthland    webmaster@LibraryServer
18:55 rangi        what does it say for WEBMASTER_EMAIL ?
18:55 Morthland    For 3.08.03
18:55 Morthland    That's what I've got.
18:55 rangi        (numbers and paths different)
18:54 rangi        DB_TYPE=mysql
18:54 rangi        LOG_DIR=/var/log/koha
18:54 rangi        KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=3.10.02.000
18:54 rangi        should look like
18:54 rangi        open that file, what does it say?
18:54 cait         I did run the make upgrade a little while back and it worked ok for me
18:54 rangi        hmm, is that where a tarball install puts it? cos that looks like a package install location, but they might do the same
18:53 cait         not sure then
18:53 cait         hm
18:53 Morthland    yes
18:53 cait         /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log - is an existing file?
18:53 mib_k1ip5y   I test this code but when i serch in z39.50 i can't  use  marc21
18:53 Morthland    I'm afraid I don't catch your meaning.
18:52 cait         s/patch/path
18:52 cait         Morthland: and the patch is correct to the log?
18:52 cait         Morthland: m that does not look right
18:52 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_19_February_2013
18:50 jcamins      mib_k1ip5y: http://jai-on-asp.blogspot.com/2010/01/z3950-client-in-cnet-using-zoomnet-and.html
18:50 Morthland    I see, "by default, Koha can be installed one of three ways, standard, single, dev
18:49 mib_k1ip5y   you think about yaz ?
18:49 Morthland    I Ctl-Ced out. Let me rerun it.
18:48 Morthland    Yes, it is set to /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log
18:48 cait         Morthland: it asks 2 questions - for icu and dom - maybe that's what you see?
18:47 rangi        morning
18:47 rangi        heh
18:47 jcamins      Morthland: you replaced /path/to/koha-install-log with the actual path?
18:47 rangi        you did put the patch to the actual log eh?
18:47 jcamins      Did you try searching Google for "z39.50 .net client"? Because I found the answer to your question on the first result of the first page.
18:47 Morthland    it starts a fresh install
18:47 Morthland    Following the upgrade instructions, when I run $ perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log
18:46 jcamins      Right, but MarcEdit is written in .NET.
18:46 gaetan_B     bye !
18:46 vfernandes   bye people :)
18:46 mib_k1ip5y   I test it but I need more info about z39.50
18:44 jcamins      Have you looked at how MarcEdit does it?
18:44 mib_k1ip5y   I look for implement conection in .net but I can't find specification for this protocol
18:41 jcamins      ^^ mib_k1ip5y
18:40 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
18:40 jcamins      first question?
18:40 jcamins      mib_k1ip5y: the answer to your question is probably either "Perl" or "C" but I don't understand your question.
18:39 cait         the configuration is done in the gui - administration > z39.50 servers
18:38 mib_k1ip5y   yes I know but in client side some code must conect witch server z39.50
18:35 jcamins      Z39.50 is a protocol.
18:35 jcamins      mib_k1ip5y: what do you mean?
18:34 mib_k1ip5y   ?
18:34 mib_k1ip5y   witch programing language is used to comunicate in z39.50 in koha
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18:31 cait         yep :)
18:28 maximep      oh, that's a cool new bot
18:27 mib_k1ip5y   helo
18:26 alohabot     Hi mib_k1ip5y, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
18:22 jcamins      There's a guide somewhere on the wiki.
18:22 jcamins      You can switch from non-packages to packages, but it's not quite as simple.
18:22 * Brooke     is still grateful for packages + Ubuntu. So there :P
18:22 Morthland    Will it be a problem if I installed it without packages to use the package update?
18:22 Brooke       for yea, Ubuntu is teh awesome.
18:22 jcamins      Wait, actually, I'm using Debian in production again. Ubuntu angered me.
18:22 Brooke       and I am pleased that this has come to pass
18:21 jcamins      I use the packages on Ubuntu.
18:21 jcamins      Nope.
18:21 Brooke       packages_+_Ubuntu++
18:21 Morthland    Oh. I thought you had to be running Debian
18:21 jcamins      No, there's a file called INSTALL.debian (which you read even for Ubuntu).
18:21 Morthland    ?
18:21 Morthland    You mean the end of the install file on the wiki
18:21 jcamins      Packages work fine on Ubuntu.
18:20 Morthland    I'm on ubuntu, so no packages.
18:18 jcamins      "Enjoy."
18:18 jcamins      "Reindex."
18:18 jcamins      "Wait."
18:18 jcamins      "Install new version."
18:17 jcamins      If you're using packages, it's even simpler.
18:17 jcamins      Morthland: look at the end of the install file.
18:17 Morthland    I seem to recall it being real simple last time, but I cant find the documentation now]
18:14 Morthland    Is there a guide to update Koha some where? I need to move from 3.8 to 3.10/
18:14 jcamins      lol
18:14 Brooke       ack
18:13 jcamins      o/
18:13 Brooke       o/
17:31 mib_vi5nnw   having any soution
17:31 mib_vi5nnw   autoemailopacuser not working
17:30 mib_vi5nnw   hi
17:30 alohabot     Hi mib_vi5nnw, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
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16:27 kf           but it easy to forget to turn it off....
16:27 jcamins      Ah.
16:27 kf           it is good when you wnat to do bulk changes
16:27 kf           in our ticket system... it means my answer went nowhere
16:26 jcamins      What's stealth mode?
16:25 kf           *sigh* stealth_mode--
16:23 jcamins      (i.e. two patches on the one bug)
16:22 jcamins      If it will make your patch easier to understand, go ahead and refactor in a different patch.
16:22 jcamins      Hehe.
16:22 * tcohen     runs away just in case
16:21 tcohen       ok, i won't refactor code then :-P
16:20 jcamins      http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Switch-Statements
16:19 jcamins      Let me find the bug with the discussion.
16:19 jcamins      use Switch is deprecated, and given/when is considered "experimental"
16:18 jcamins      We like for () statements.
16:18 tcohen       jcamins, do we like switch statements in koha code?
16:18 jcamins      Aww.
16:17 sekjal       jcamins:  Musicbrainz for now, but I'll want to make full metadata records out of the ID3 tags (as well as authority entries for artists)
16:17 jcamins      sekjal: in Koha? :)
16:17 * sekjal     is cataloging his music, and trying not to freeze
16:13 sekjal       hi, kf!
16:13 * kf         waves at sekjal
16:12 sekjal       it'd be really awesome to see everyone
16:12 bag          good great awesome!
16:12 sekjal       would need to figure out the funding and time off from work, though
16:12 sekjal       bag: considering it; got it on my calendar
16:10 reiveune     bye
16:10 bag          sekjal: that most important question…  Thinking about going to Reno?
16:10 bag          sounds interesting
16:09 sekjal       a dark brown ale with cinnamon.  tastes like raisin bread
16:09 jcamins      What kind did you make?
16:09 bag          nice nice - I just did a maple brown yesterday
16:08 sekjal       bag:  beer #4 turned out really, really well!
16:08 * jcamins    is using PHP to write a cataloging system right now... first time in about a decade that I did something with PHP.
16:07 sekjal       but if I want to modify/understand some else's code, guess I need to learn it
16:07 sekjal       yeah... Code4Lib is huge on RoR, but I just can't get into it.  I have Perl and PHP, and that'll do pretty much anything I need
16:06 jcamins      sekjal: like in Bourne shell? Weird.
16:06 sekjal       hey, bag!
16:06 sekjal       in Ruby
16:06 sekjal       oh, and 0 evaluates to true
16:06 bag          hey sekjal
16:06 sekjal       no, we just did a very basic intro using the RailsBridge materials
16:05 jcamins      sekjal: did they give you any hints on how to prevent libraries spontaneously becoming incompatible?
16:04 sekjal       got an intro to Ruby on Rails, though
16:04 jcamins      I could really use it, too.
16:04 jcamins      Aww.
16:04 sekjal       no, I don't think that was discussed this year, not even in a lightning talk
16:03 jcamins      'Cause that would be really useful!
16:03 jcamins      Does one of them give you more than 24 hours in a day?
16:03 sekjal       going pretty well.  just got back from Code4Lib, and have lots of exciting projects to consider
16:02 jcamins      How are things at UMass?
16:00 * chris_n    shakes his fist at canonical
15:59 sekjal       hi, jcamins
15:59 jcamins      Greetings, sekjal!
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on the printers administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9645 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on the quotes management page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9644 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the suggestions management page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9643 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the road types administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9642 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the patron attribute types administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the Koha news management page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9640 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on record matching rules page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on MARC tag structure toolbar with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9637 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on local use system preferences page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9636 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9635 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on label batches pages with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the itemtypes administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9646 - Replace YUI button on the printers administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9645 - Replace YUI buttons on the quotes management page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the currencies administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9644 - Replace YUI button on the suggestions management page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9643 - Replace YUI button on the road types administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on classification sources administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9642 - Replace YUI button on the patron attribute types page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9641 - Replace YUI button on the Koha news management page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9640 - Replace YUI button on record matching rules page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9639 - Replace YUI button on MARC tag structure toolbar with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on cities and towns administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9637 - Replace YUI button on local use system preferences page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9636 - Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9629 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on patron category administration pages with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9635 - Replace YUI buttons on label batches pages with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9633 - Replace YUI button on the itemtypes administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9632 - Replace YUI button on the currencies administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9631 - Replace YUI buttons on classification sources administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9630 - Replace YUI button on cities and towns administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9629 - Replace YUI button on patron category administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1053: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1053/
15:43 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "La connexion à Youtube est désormais intégrée à Biblio+ : le service propose des vidéos sur le même sujet du document affiché.#koha #kohails"
15:24 jcamins      Yes.
15:24 tcohen       should I fill another bug for this one?
15:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports
15:24 tcohen       i was revisiting the code to start writing for bug 9634
15:23 tcohen       heh
15:23 jcamins      What about both?
15:22 jcamins      Ah, true.
15:22 tcohen       or simply havea typo
15:22 jcamins      Someone might copy a report off the wiki before creating the authorized values.
15:22 jcamins      Hm. I think probably on running.
15:21 tcohen       what do u think jcamins?
15:20 tcohen       the user should be warned when saving, or when about to run, not sure
15:20 tcohen       i've found that if you write a SQL report calling an undefined authorised_value the GUI shows an empty dropdown menu
15:19 jcamins      About what?
15:19 tcohen       do we have a way to warn the user on the GUI?
14:50 kf           ah ok
14:50 jcamins      kf: there was a syspref update.
14:45 drojf        heh
14:45 kf           fast
14:45 kf           you will get poor fust
14:45 * drojf      puts 5€ into the bad pun jar
14:44 drojf        too many buttons pushed
14:44 kf           what, unstable??
14:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #1053 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1051 2 days 23 hr ago)
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9628 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9627 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on serials pages with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on reports dictionary page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on authority types administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9622 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on MARC frameworks page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9621 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI menu on lists pages with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on libraries administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9616 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI menu on patrons page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9628 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9627 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on serials pages with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on authorized values administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9624 - Replace YUI button on reports dictionary page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9623 - Replace YUI button on authority types administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9622 - Replace YUI button on MARC fameworks page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9621 - Replace YUI menu on lists pages with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9619 - Replace YUI buttons on libraries administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9616 - Replace YUI menu on patrons page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9648 - Replace YUI buttons on authorized values administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve OAI management interface
14:42 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9395: Increment version number
14:42 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches
14:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8906: Followup replace 'Clear' with 'Delete'
14:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8906: Followup FIX hardcoded localhost url
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8906 - Improve OAI management interface
14:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1052: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1052/
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14:28 kf           paul_p: hm I will ask him :)
14:24 kf           paul_p: I see dpavlin will be around? what about mglavica?
14:24 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9646' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f4069fb8ac37cf6fd9fcc5ebacac5176c31079f> / Bug 9646 - Replace YUI button on the printers administration page with Bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9deb165db1912c58bd085b46bf7f6ac7c9867e5> / Merge branch 'bug_9645' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.
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14:22 huginn       kf: The operation succeeded.
14:22 kf           @later tell oleonard we need more patches! :)
14:19 tcohen       thanks jcamins
14:19 kf           drojf: cool
14:19 jcamins      Not a word character.
14:19 tcohen       what did \W meant in perl regexpt?
14:14 huginn       tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (11:00 AM ART on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
14:14 tcohen       @wunder cordoba, argentina
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13:39 drojf        [off] have been to a meeting with a professor, all fine so far. and my water is back already
13:38 kf           hey drojf - how is your homework?
13:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1052 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:35 drojf        back
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13:32 tcohen       morning #koha
12:54 vfernandes   ok thanks kf
12:54 kf           there only Policy was translated
12:54 kf           acquisitions.pref Policy
12:53 kf           I think I assument something was missing
12:53 kf           it's translated Erwerbung in german, which means acuisitions
12:53 kf           hm funny
12:52 kf           let me check german
12:52 kf           so maybe you translate that directly
12:52 kf           there is no # in it
12:52 kf           hmm would have to check that one
12:52 vfernandes   ?
12:52 vfernandes   acquisitions.pref is translated to ""
12:51 kf           vfernandes: it shoudl be easy to fix
12:51 kf           so the comments with the syspref name in front make it strings stay close together
12:51 kf           po files are ordered alphabetically, but syspref translation alphabetically woudl be quite a nightmare - because you are puzzling together sentences
12:51 vfernandes   ok... i'll edit the po files
12:50 kf           yeah, the comments are there so they stay in order
12:50 vfernandes   really? :/
12:50 kf           look at other languages if you want to see what I mean :) german or french
12:50 kf           the command is the same, only have to translate them in pootle a bit differently
12:50 vfernandes   perl translate install pt-PT
12:49 kf           so delete all constructs like acquisitions.pref#OrderPdfFormat# from the translated strings
12:49 vfernandes   ohhh :D which is the command to translate?
12:49 kf           you leave out the comment part at the beginning
12:49 kf           the pref files are a bit different than other files to translate
12:49 kf           no :)
12:49 vfernandes   kf it's suppose appear "acquisitions.pref#OrderPdfFormat#" in the preferences translations?
12:48 kf           it always came around after a bit
12:48 kf           not sure what's up, maybe rangi can take a look at it tonight?
12:48 kf           ithas been slow and a bit .... unstable for me since yesterday afternoon
12:46 marcelr      timing out now
12:46 jcamins      rangi is still here, so the server isn't down.
12:46 marcelr      :)
12:46 jcamins      Well, as long as it's not me.
12:45 marcelr      jcamins_away: hi and yes
12:44 jcamins_away Is anyone else having trouble accessing bugs.k-c.org?
11:33 vkm          ok
11:32 kf           the max holds in circ matrix is not fully implemented
11:32 kf           vkm: check bugzilla with the keyword maxreserves
11:31 vkm          because my hold limit always picks from system preference
11:31 vkm          hello is it necessary to make hold limit nil in system preference if it is already set in circulation privilege different for different users group
11:24 kf           np hope it works
11:24 vfernandes   maybe... thanks kf for all the help :)
11:23 kf           it might be the files on pootle were not based on your completed files
11:23 kf           and then run the command, it just does what the translation manager does :)
11:23 kf           you have to be on a master branch when you run it, just put the complete 3.10 files in the po directory
11:22 kf           maybe worth a try to see if there is a mistake
11:22 vfernandes   okay... now i can't do that... but later i will test it
11:22 kf           and compare that to the one in pootle
11:22 kf           and run perl translate update <langcode> on it
11:22 kf           get a 3.10 staff po file
11:21 kf           so what I wanted to suggest to you for a test
11:21 kf           Portughese is quite a bit lower
11:21 vfernandes   76%? damn that's nice :)
11:21 kf           vfernandes: see here for German - updates from a complete 3.10: http://translate.koha-community.org/de/312/
11:20 kf           hm additional languages?
11:20 wahanui      languages are just tools, you should pick the right one for the right job
11:20 kf           languages?
11:20 wahanui      i heard on the wiki was more information about the packages
11:20 kf           and on the wiki
11:20 kf           if I wrote you it's probably in the archives somewhere
11:20 kf           well it's strange because the percentage of german is much higher
11:19 vfernandes   i remember your email but saidly I deleted it :/
11:18 vfernandes   yes...
11:17 kf           you said you got a complete translation of 3.10?
11:17 kf           (low translation percentage compared between 3.10 and 3.12)
11:17 kf           but you were gone by the time that I got to answer you
11:17 kf           vfernandes now I remember - I was wondering about your low percentage in the po files
11:17 kf           oh
11:17 kf           and run: perl translate install <langcode>
11:17 kf           just change into the misc translator dirctory
11:16 kf           no, don't do that :)
11:16 kf           ah
11:16 vfernandes   one question: which is the correct way to apply translations? before I was runnig the script tmpl_proccess
11:09 vfernandes   yes, I think that will be the correct aproach
11:09 kf           I think they were blocked mostly becuse he signed off and it was unimarc
11:09 kf           hm I will test and maybe set to signed off - then jonthan could take another look
11:09 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
11:09 vfernandes   of bug 9341? i've created a new clean branch and changed the files again, but the changes are the same
11:08 kf           I noticed that jonathan's sign off got lost and wonder how the best way to deal with it now is
11:08 kf           in the patch :)
11:07 vfernandes   in what kf?
11:06 kf           did you have to change a lot?
11:06 vfernandes   but you are testing right :)
11:06 vfernandes   When I had submitted those patches there wasn't patch submitting codelines
11:05 kf           vfernandes: hope I am testing right, but they looked safe and I am testing in an unimarc installation
11:05 kf           vfernandes: :)
11:03 vfernandes   they will be a very nice improvement for UNIMARC implementations
11:02 vfernandes   it's nice to see my UNIMARC patches pass QA
11:02 vfernandes   thanks kf, kf++
11:01 kf           vfernandes: I will try again then :)
10:46 vfernandes   done :) let me put the other patches obsolete
10:41 vfernandes   i'll upload a new patch
10:41 vfernandes   ok...
10:36 kf           a clean master branch, no other changes in between, that could be a reason too for the problem I think
10:35 kf           if you could update your branch witht he patches to latest master and resend them, that might help
10:35 kf           it didn't apply for me
10:35 kf           sorry, got distracted
10:35 kf           oh
10:29 vfernandes   tell me what I need to do...
10:28 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Patch doesn't apply , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
10:28 vfernandes   hi... bug 9341
10:21 kf           yes
10:19 vfernandes   kf are you here?
10:19 vfernandes   hello :)
09:39 magnuse      paul_p: nice! always good to sit next to an empty seat!
09:34 huginn       kf: Quote #83: "<wizzyrea> you can watch the sunrise around the world in #koha" (added by druthb at 06:29 PM, July 13, 2010)
09:34 kf           @quote random
09:33 huginn       rangi: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2009)
09:33 rangi        @quote random
09:26 kf           hope I will get that lucky on my way to marseille
09:26 kf           sounds like perfect travel
09:26 kf           :)
09:26 paul_p       magnuse yes, good journey, flights on time, nothing lost, not waiting too long at borders/security controls. and, best of all : no-one sitted on my right in the plane, good for having more room for my legs !
08:54 kf           hi paul_p
08:51 magnuse      had a godd journey?
08:51 magnuse      bonjour paul_p
08:51 marcelr      hi paul_p
08:51 paul_p       good morning #koha. (I'm back to BibLibre office, so it's still morning ;-) )
08:41 rangi        heh
08:39 kf           [off] i checked for the ones I send you - not in koha
08:39 rangi        hehe i dunno if any of the cards are live :)
08:37 marcelr      hi rangi
08:36 magnuse      rangi: i'll see what i can do too
08:36 drojf        rangi: do people send you empty cards, or do you get actual accounts too? :)
08:31 * kf         whispers marcelr
08:30 rangi        rijksmuseum even
08:30 * rangi      wonders if the rijkmuseum have library cards ? :)
08:21 kf           :)
08:21 marcelr      :)
08:21 rangi        marcelr++
08:21 kf           no idea
08:20 rangi        what does that even mean?
08:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9657 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED INVALID, New catalog in Koha
08:20 rangi        hmm bug 9657
08:06 marcelr      hi drojf gaetan_B
08:06 gaetan_B     hello
08:04 wahanui      privet, asaurat
08:04 asaurat      hi
08:02 drojf        hi marcelr
08:00 magnuse      hiya marcelr
08:00 marcelr      hi magnuse
07:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9498 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Update encoding for Norwegian sample Z39.50 servers
07:53 magnuse      bgkriegel++ for signing off bug 9498
07:51 * cait       runs out
07:51 cait         thx :)
07:51 marcelr      cait++ for qa
07:51 marcelr      hi cait
07:50 cait         and bbl :)
07:50 cait         morning marcelr
07:50 marcelr      hi koha
07:50 magnuse      :-)
07:49 cait         why do you always see your typos while bugzilla is saving it already? :(
07:48 reiveune     hi cait, magnuse :)
07:48 magnuse      bonjour reiveune
07:48 reiveune     hello
07:46 alex_a       salut cait magnuse :)
07:39 cait         hi alex_a
07:39 magnuse      kia ora alex_a
07:39 wahanui      niihau, alex_a
07:39 alex_a       bonjour
07:37 cait         instead of moving it
07:37 cait         maybe we could do something with a big miror
07:36 cait         it's big,.... we will need a long ladder too
07:36 cait         heh
07:36 dcook        All right. Finally turning in for the night. Ta, #koha!
07:30 drojf        lol
07:30 drojf        [off] | Sun Transportation Services | Email CEO @suntransportation.com
07:30 magnuse      pf, stretch out your arm and you can probably cover all of it with your thumb. how big can it be?
07:29 cait         lol
07:28 drojf        maybe i can find a company that specializes in sunsportation services. they will know better how to deliver it
07:28 cait         but it looks kinda big
07:27 cait         if you pay for the postage...
07:26 drojf        i thought you could fedex it?
07:26 cait         do you come by to collect it?
07:26 cait         ok deal
07:24 drojf        i'll take your sun if that helps your head
07:24 drojf        aaaw. that sun people talk about. what does it look like? :)
07:24 cait         and I have headache because it probably wasn't supposed to be so nice so fast
07:23 cait         and I cansee some sun
07:23 cait         snow has thawed here
07:23 drojf        0-8°. so i guess snow in the night, rain and mud by day
07:23 magnuse      snow and +8?
07:20 drojf        and rain and snow :D
07:19 drojf        ha, up to 8° at the end of the month
07:18 magnuse      [off] ouch!
07:18 drojf        [off] water in the house is turned off for some maintenance. for 10h! wtf. yeah for working at home :/
07:17 magnuse      they promise us +5 in a few days
07:15 drojf        lol
07:15 magnuse      hey konstanz = bodø!
07:15 drojf        we only change between light grey and dark grey
07:15 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (7:50 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:15 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:15 drojf        "clear". i would like that
07:15 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
07:15 magnuse      @wunder konstanz
07:15 magnuse      ooh nice
07:15 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 8.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:15 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:14 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.4°C (7:43 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:14 magnuse      @wunder berlin, germany
07:14 huginn       magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:14 magnuse      @wunder berlin
07:14 drojf        hei magnuse
07:14 drojf        hi cait
07:14 magnuse      moin drojf
07:14 drojf        good morning #koha
07:14 magnuse      nengard++ for volunteering
07:14 cait         morning drojf
07:12 cait         !
07:12 magnuse      i'm actually going to dedicate next weekend to that
07:11 magnuse      i should try and get the digital signs ready for submission
07:10 magnuse      gah! too true!
07:10 cait         and scary because it means we are done with that versionso soon!
07:09 cait         that's super cool
07:09 cait         hehe
07:09 magnuse      4 weeks/1 month until marseille
07:09 cait         morning magnuse
07:09 magnuse      hiya cait
07:08 cait         hi magnuse :)
07:08 * magnuse    waves
06:12 bigbrovar    .
05:52 * dcook      goes back to looking at opac tags
05:52 cait         that's the other side :)
05:52 * dcook      realizes that he's actually been sitting at his desk for way too long
05:49 cait         um...
05:49 dcook        I only include the ;) because I just realized that I was at work the whole time you were sleeping O_o. You don't sleep enough :p
05:49 dcook        Good sleep? ;)
05:41 cait         hi dcook :)
05:40 dcook        hi cait :)
04:43 alohabot     Hi mib_lc60qq, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
04:31 dcook        Aha! http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
04:30 dcook        or "perl install xx-XX", I suppose?
04:30 dcook        from the misc/translator directory?
04:30 dcook        translate install xx-XX?
04:30 dcook        How does one generate templates from PO files again?
04:19 schnydszch   tnx <rangi>
04:10 dcook        For once, librarian humour that I don't actually get :p
04:06 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #220: "jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:41 PM, October 19, 2012)
04:06 gmcharlt     @quote random
04:03 wizzyrea     later peps
03:32 * rangi      has to go
03:30 rangi        you need -x
03:30 rangi        hmm no -w
03:30 rangi        thats right
03:27 schnydszch   <rangi> add -k to -b -w -v?
03:27 schnydszch   <rangi> add -k to -b -w- -v?
03:25 dcook        mtj: I think you're right. Nothing like writing up a "new" secret code and then selling access to it for an arm and a leg
03:25 rangi        that will not delete the records then you can look in /tmp and see what it looks like exported
03:24 rangi        that looks ok, you could try running the rebuild with -k
03:24 schnydszch   the one in mibpaste is the marcxml of my record, could there be something wrong?
03:23 schnydszch   <wizzyrea> coz i see in the conversation you're talking about interesting topic RDA :)
03:22 * wizzyrea   giggles
03:22 wahanui      wizzyrea: The rolling stones concert down the road caused a brown out
03:22 wizzyrea     excuse?
03:22 schnydszch   http://mibpaste.com/BxaCVg
03:22 schnydszch   <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <record     xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"     xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim.xsd"     xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim">    <leader>00468nam a2200169Ia 4500</leader>   <controlfield tag="008">110402s9999    xx
03:20 rangi        have a look at the marcxml column of biblioitems for that record
03:20 schnydszch   actually I also got this yesterday I think. there could be something wrong with my record? but I can't figure it out
03:20 schnydszch   i run -b -w -v
03:19 wahanui      schnydszch: Failure to adjust for daylight savings time.
03:19 schnydszch   excuse me koha community, what does this mean: Error exporting record 93569 (biblio) XML at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 395
03:18 mtj          i think the people that are really excited about RDA are the trainers and documentation publishers
03:18 dcook        I mean yours, rangi :p
03:15 dcook        Mmmm, great blog post
03:15 dcook        They said, "You don't understand. The robots are our friends."
03:14 dcook        http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/why-people-really-love-technology-an-interview-with-genevieve-bell/265596/
03:14 rangi        http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2004/03/31/the-m-in-marc-is-for-mental/
03:14 dcook        Agreed. Poor humans..
03:14 dcook        AACR2 and MARC are already conflated more than enough as it is...
03:14 rangi        exactly
03:14 rangi        yeah
03:14 dcook        It's like the whole "don't submit a patch with whitespace changes"
03:13 dcook        I also dislike how RDA tries to combine AACR2 changes and MARC changes
03:13 rangi        no human should ever have to see it
03:13 dcook        On the other hand, MARC is...MARC
03:13 rangi        yep
03:13 dcook        individual institution = special library
03:13 dcook        Until they had to migrate their data...that's when MARC came in super handy
03:13 dcook        Je ne sais pas...on one hand, I've used non-MARC systems that worked great for that individual institution
03:11 dcook        She knew it well ;)
03:11 rangi        :)
03:11 dcook        I brought up that xkcd as well actually :p
03:10 * dcook      loves that quote
03:10 huginn       rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:10 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
03:10 rangi        @quote get 123
03:10 dcook        There were quite a few "yeah, I know it would be better if...but..."
03:09 dcook        I was hanging out with a friend the other night and trying to explain library technology.
03:09 dcook        truer words, eh?
03:07 rangi        confusing them is what got us into this mess :)
03:06 rangi        storage mechanism, should not be entry or display
03:06 rangi        and therein lies in the ENTIRE problem
03:06 dcook        No doubt, wahanui. No doubt...
03:06 rangi        and that sentence makes sense
03:06 rangi        s/creation/storage/
03:06 wahanui      it has been said that the is a stop word
03:06 dcook        what the...
03:06 wizzyrea     hehe
03:05 rangi        im pretty sure the cataloguers had some part to play
03:05 rangi        thats not how i remember it
03:05 rangi        The MARC standard is responsible for the creation of millions of bibliographic records from all parts of the globe.
03:05 rangi        thats funny
03:05 * dcook      now recalls some of the arguments on the bibframe listserv
03:05 rangi        http://bibframe.org/contribute/
03:05 dcook        Ahhh
03:04 rangi        http://bibframe.org/
03:04 * dcook      knows he gets the bibframe emails and stores them somewhere...
03:04 dcook        Well, they were pretty excited about bibframe too :p
03:03 rangi        you wait until they start getting excited about bibframe instead
03:03 wizzyrea     :) so mostly I think, it's just a long awaited snooze of a change
03:02 wizzyrea     it took AGES to figure out
03:02 dcook        hehe
03:02 dcook        Myself and some classmates had a hard time seeing the benefit of RDA when an RDA trainer did a seminar for one of our classes in 2011
03:02 wizzyrea     because it's NEW and EXCITING and DIFFERENT
03:01 dcook        I know a few librarians who seem to be pretty into RDA. I must make a note to ask them questions about why they use it again...
03:01 dcook        True enough
03:00 rangi        but you can
03:00 rangi        no one knows why you'd want to
03:00 rangi        if you have the framework you can tick the box
02:59 * dcook      agrees with wizzyrea
02:59 dcook        I do like the FRBR idea, but that doesn't seem to be anywhere yet either
02:59 * wizzyrea   suspects they don't either
02:59 rangi        exactly
02:59 dcook        I don't know "why" people want it
02:59 dcook        True, so far everyone seems to be asking yes or no questions
02:59 rangi        but it is pointless
02:59 rangi        seriously it was just to prove to the nat lib that storing rda isnt hard
02:59 rangi        there is yet to be someone who needs it though
02:58 rangi        yep 30 mins
02:58 dcook        Is that "if" someone needed it, there is still work to do
02:58 dcook        But that's my point ;)
02:58 dcook        True
02:58 rangi        if that provided any value at all
02:58 dcook        Admittedly, carrier type, content type, media type do seem a bit...redundant
02:58 rangi        with about 5 mins work we could
02:58 dcook        So we can't really search them yet
02:58 rangi        cos no one is going to know the jargon
02:57 rangi        because you'd have to make a whole new dropdown to search them
02:57 rangi        they aren't yet
02:57 dcook        How are they indexed?
02:57 dcook        Fair enough
02:56 rangi        if we store it, we can search it
02:56 rangi        but i couldnt figure out any way to use display them in any useful fashion so someone else can
02:56 dcook        Mmm, with the xslt
02:56 dcook        Search it?
02:56 dcook        subfields*
02:56 dcook        All the fields in 338 have a max length of 0
02:56 dcook        Your framework needs a little edit ;)
02:56 dcook        But that's why we have item types :/
02:56 rangi        and search it
02:56 rangi        so you could store it
02:56 dcook        They do seem like they could be useful as search limiters...maybe
02:56 rangi        thats why i did the framework
02:56 rangi        exactly
02:55 dcook        Agreed
02:55 dcook        For reading by machines rather than people. 336, 337, 338 definitely look like they're for librarians
02:55 rangi        yep
02:55 dcook        This page (http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC.html) mentionst that MARC already contained most of these codes
02:55 rangi        it doesnt provide any value to me as a library user at all
02:55 dcook        Good point, rangi
02:55 rangi        thats my whole beef with RDA
02:55 rangi        you are doing it wrong
02:55 rangi        but if you are cataloguing for librarians
02:54 wizzyrea     if you know what to do with it I'm sure a patch would be welcome
02:54 dcook        Although lookings at 336, 337, 338...I could see them as being additions to the extent
02:54 rangi        cept maybe some librarians
02:54 rangi        because currently the data is of no value at all to any user
02:54 dcook        There is that ;)
02:54 rangi        yes, whenever anyone figures out what to do with them
02:54 dcook        Typically by non-users
02:54 dcook        That's what I mean though. It needs to be customized.
02:54 rangi        you can use custom xslt, you can pick what xslt you want, in the sysprefs
02:54 dcook        Well, the RDA framework that you put up does include more tags (like 336, 337, 338), but these needs to be manually added to the XSLTs or the TT templates need to be updated to show this information
02:52 rangi        in what way?
02:52 dcook        The more I look at RDA, the more I think that Koha can't actually handle it without editing
02:51 dcook        Yeah, I saw rangi's post about frameworks, although I'm not quite sure that it's entirely correct
02:51 wizzyrea     xls??  xsl.
02:51 wizzyrea     They probably need to be added to the xlst stylesheets
02:51 libsysguy    or I think rangi had a similar post
02:50 libsysguy    probably tuesday
02:50 libsysguy    when she is around
02:50 libsysguy    you'd probably have to ask talljoy
02:50 libsysguy    dcook
02:50 dcook        Unless perhaps one is using XSLT?
02:50 dcook        While a RDA framework will show RDA tags in the cataloguing module, it won't show them on any templates, right?
02:49 dcook        bag, khall, libsysguy: Can you explain this blog post to me a bit? http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/02/08/rda/
02:30 schnydsch    <bgkriegel> other biblio records with the same title are the results, but i cannot find the exact title
02:29 bgkriegel    bye
02:20 bgkriegel    schnydsch: if you search for the title, get no results?
02:18 schnydsch    i did what u told me jcamins but still got the same error.. hhmm..
01:48 schnydsch    lemme try again, maybe -z -b -a got along the way
01:48 jcamins_away Then, when you go in to re-enable the cron job, you add "-x" to the end of the command line.
01:48 rangi        marcxml doesnt
01:48 jcamins_away During that time, you need the cron job to be disabled.
01:48 rangi        iso2709 has a size limit
01:48 jcamins_away You run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -x *once*
01:48 rangi        yup
01:47 schnydsch    <rangi> you mean -b -a -r -x?
01:47 jcamins_away All of whom have it working with -x.
01:47 jcamins_away schnydsch: yes, many, many libraries.
01:47 rangi        yep, fixed with -x
01:47 schnydsch    i mean biblio records with more that 600 items?
01:46 schnydsch    could this be a bug? does anybody in the group have biblio records more than 600?
01:46 jcamins_away I'm sorry, I don't have any more suggestions if rebuilding zebra with -x didn't fix the problem.
01:46 schnydsch    but when I got up 600 yesterday through merging I got that mess
01:46 schnydsch    yeah, it was working before the biblio record had only 500 or less items
01:45 schnydsch    when i search the biblionumber in catalog, The record you requested does not exist (). and the biblionumber in URL is blank
01:45 jcamins_away And I can't think what it could be.
01:45 jcamins_away So there must be an additional issue here.
01:44 jcamins_away I've seen that problem before, and it is fixed by adding -x
01:44 jcamins_away Very odd.
01:44 schnydsch    with /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXXXX it's there
01:43 schnydsch    when i search the barcode/acc. no., there is no biblionumber on URL
01:43 jcamins_away So if you go to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXXXX what happens?
01:42 jcamins_away Are you trying to directly access the record?
01:42 schnydsch    the title is Supreme Court Reports Annotated
01:42 jcamins_away When does that show?
01:42 schnydsch    what shows is The record you requested does not exist ().
01:42 schnydsch    it does not show when I search particular barcode/accession no.
01:41 jcamins_away And it's showing up in search results?
01:41 bgkriegel    schnydsch: how are you trying to access it?
01:41 jcamins_away Very weird.
01:40 eythian      Weird.
01:40 schnydsch    i still get The record you requested does not exist ().
01:40 dcook        Looks like it was assigned to you?
01:40 eythian      why's that got my name on it?
01:39 jcamins_away That's the one.
01:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
01:39 bgkriegel    dcook: bug 7818
01:36 jcamins_away It just didn't work with DOM and we didn't have a way of checking, so it was disabled for authorities.
01:36 bgkriegel    ah, ok
01:35 jcamins_away -x always worked with GRS-1.
01:35 jcamins_away No.
01:35 bgkriegel    but this is only for DOM? my install use grs-1 and also works
01:34 dcook        Hmm. Cool.
01:33 jcamins_away bgkriegel: heh, yeah, the help should probably be updated then.
01:33 wahanui      dom indexing is a lot faster than GRS-1.
01:33 jcamins_away DOM indexing.
01:33 eythian      oh cool. I should update the package scripts so they let that work.
01:33 bgkriegel    just tried and works, but help still said "only for biblios"
01:33 dcook        Which bug changed that?
01:32 jcamins_away Since 3.8.3ish.
01:31 eythian      jcamins_away: can we use -x with authorities now?
01:31 schnydsch    ok thanks. i'll rebuild first with -b -a -r -x. then -z -b -a -x
01:30 jcamins_away But you have a recent version.
01:30 jcamins_away If you were using an old version, you would have needed two: -z -b -x and -z -a
01:30 jcamins_away Right, you need to change it to -z -b -a -x
01:29 schnydsch    i have -z -b -a
01:29 jcamins_away It doesn't matter.
01:29 schnydsch    jcamins, what cronjobs are those?
01:29 schnydsch    3.8.5
01:29 jcamins_away You may have to rebuild just biblios, and have two cronjobs instead of just one.
01:29 wahanui      version is always noted in a comment on top
01:29 jcamins_away schnydsch: what version?
01:29 jcamins_away Good point.
01:29 jcamins_away Not since 3.8.3ish.
01:28 bgkriegel    -x is not for biblios only?
01:27 jcamins_away You have to rebuild the indexes... mixing some entries with -x and some entries without gets messy.
01:26 schnydsch    -x -b was working for me then.. but haven't tried -b -a -r -x
01:26 schnydsch    ok i'll try that first.
01:25 jcamins_away And you'll have to rebuild the indexes with -b -a -r -x first
01:25 jcamins_away It has to be -z -b -a -x
01:25 jcamins_away Right, that won't work.
01:25 schnydsch    I have -z -b -a running every 3 minutes
01:25 jcamins_away If you use -x when indexing, it will start showing up again.
01:25 jcamins_away schnydsch: the problem is with indexing.
01:24 schnydsch    yeah
01:24 bgkriegel    ?
01:24 bgkriegel    do you know the biblionumber (koha internal number)
01:23 schnydsch    ..its supposed biblionumber, what comes out is "The record you requested does not exist (). I have cron job -z -b -a running every 3 minutes
01:23 schnydsch    good morning koha community. we're using koha 3.8.5 in debian installation.is there a limit in items in a bibliographic record?one bibliographic record we have has 690 items.before that days before, the biblio record and its items are working good but now when I'm seaching it comes out as No Title, and when I click it it has no biblionumber. When I search..
01:22 bgkriegel    and cait too
01:21 bgkriegel    :)
01:21 dcook        You too, bgkriegel :p
01:21 dcook        Looks like Owen has been busy...
01:21 * dcook      just noticed the 60 patch emails sitting in his patches folder.
00:58 dcook        Yeah, I saw that with my dev install ;)
00:58 bgkriegel    dcook: yes, and prints a warning if webserver can't write the file
00:40 dcook        Looks like Koha re-writes the actual templates
00:40 dcook        Nvm
00:31 dcook        When they're editing the help pages on the staff client?
00:31 dcook        How does Koha store user-generated help data?
00:31 dcook        Random question for anyone who has a moment
00:22 mveron       :quit
00:21 mveron       Good night all