Time  Nick           Message
23:29 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Advice for Beginners in the Koha Community http://t.co/xZKTmHRS"
23:29 jcamins        I wonder if there's anything in bootstrap that would allow us to make the record view buttons on the OPAC more attractive and understandable.
23:18 jcamins_away   drojf++ # nice e-mail
23:01 bag            ha
22:46 drojf          i wasn't aware that the url to rangi's blog post ends in »you-must-help-me-no« and not »now« :D
22:37 drojf          :)
22:36 bag            no you aren't
22:35 * drojf        is a bad person
21:35 jcamins        Bye.
21:35 jcamins        Time to call it a day and head home.
21:28 koyauni        hi guys, if I want to define a tag for biblionumber how do I do this, is there any link in documentation I can use please
21:23 cait           bye all and have a good weekend :)
21:23 cait           bed time :)
21:16 jcamins        Or just Camins.
21:15 rambutan       musta been somebody else
21:15 jcamins        rambutan: No, I always use Camins-Esakov.
21:15 rambutan       jcamins: do I remember you ever using jared camins-beh?
21:06 cait           lol
21:06 drojf          lol
21:05 jcamins        That's why they ran out of S middle names for boys... they had spent all their time planning S first names for girls. :)
21:05 jcamins        Right.
21:04 cait           but.. you gotno sisters
21:04 jcamins        The idea was that all the girls would have S first names and J middle names and the boys J first names and S middle names.
21:04 oleonard       Have a good weekend everyone
21:04 jcamins        Yeah. All my brothers (and my father) have first names starting with 'J.' My mother's name starts with an 'S.'
21:03 cait           started with s?
21:03 jcamins        Apparently my parents could only come up with two boys' names that started with 'S' that they both liked.
21:01 cait           lol
21:01 jcamins        Yup.
21:01 cait           ran out of names? :)
21:01 jcamins        I have a middle name and my next brother has a middle name, but the youngest two do not.
21:01 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (9:55 PM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
21:01 cait           @wunder Konstanz
21:00 jcamins        Hehe.
21:00 cait           well, they got a geek, guess that was unexpected :)
20:59 cait           my dad is always joking that they expected there had to be a third type... or something
20:59 senator        my sister has three names for the very same reason
20:59 drojf          hehe
20:58 jcamins        Heh.
20:58 cait           my sister got her second name from my mother, my brother got it from my dad... and when I was born they fell back to grandmothers
20:57 cait           [off] katrin hildegard maria
20:57 cait           yeah
20:57 jcamins        cait: three names?
20:57 drojf          three names?
20:57 cait           hm I only have 3 names and one last name
20:56 senator        jcamins: getting my passport renewed right now for the first time since changing my last name to the current hyphenated one. social security office had no objection at the time, but we'll see what the department of state says. wouldn't be surprised by inconsistency at all.
20:54 jcamins        True.
20:53 drojf          could have been worse :)
20:53 drojf          i see
20:53 jcamins        drojf: I have two last names instead of a hyphenated last name.
20:50 cait           hm different name on passport?
20:50 drojf          you don't exist outside of NY?
20:50 drojf          how does that show? ;)
20:49 drojf          not recognized as valid?
20:49 jcamins        New York state recognizes my last name.
20:48 jcamins        oleonard: yes.
20:48 oleonard       Isn't admin/printers.pl being resurrected?
20:48 jcamins        I don't think there are rules that apply to hyphenating names here in the US because my last name isn't recognized as valid by the government.
20:47 jcamins        Yes.
20:46 cait           but shari did keep her name, didn't she?
20:46 drojf          ha love it
20:46 cait           lol
20:46 jcamins        [off] Johnstone-Perkins-Camins-Esakov would be quite a mouthful
20:46 cait           I am sure some rules apply to that
20:46 cait           lol
20:46 drojf          (if two people with double names get married. would be fun)
20:46 jcamins        Hehe.
20:45 drojf          no idea of the numbers. i think it is not possible to quadruple the name though
20:45 jcamins        That's starting to be done more here, I think.
20:45 cait           although I think they can
20:45 drojf          some don't
20:45 drojf          some do
20:45 cait           mostly women, seldomly men
20:45 cait           jcamins: but yes, that's what people do  -get marry, double up their names
20:45 drojf          married
20:44 drojf          but they don't want to get marries
20:44 drojf          yes. you are not allowed to give your child both names if you are not married. applies to friends of mine at the moment, i think they would have considered it
20:44 jcamins        I thought you meant that sometimes kids take both their parents' names.
20:44 jcamins        That's not common here.
20:44 jcamins        Oh, wait, you mean you take your spouse's name?
20:43 jcamins        Same here.
20:43 cait           drojf: that about right?
20:43 cait           I think most of the time kids here ony have one name, but when you get married you take both sometimes
20:43 cait           hm really uncommon
20:42 jcamins        I have both my parents' last names.
20:42 jcamins        cait: it is pretty uncommon.
20:42 drojf          sorry, just kidding ;)
20:42 cait           drojf: I am tired, it was not logical
20:41 cait           isn't that pretty uncommon? :)
20:41 cait           jcamins: why do you have a double last name?
20:41 cait           much more common in europe I think than anywhere else
20:41 cait           yeah
20:41 cait           she chose a popular example, but there might be others where it's not that obvious
20:41 drojf          luther-king? :)
20:41 drojf          still you found the weird form logical :P
20:40 cait           someone coudl have thought that Luther king was a double name
20:40 cait           back ago
20:40 jcamins        Nice librarians would have. :P
20:40 cait           imagine people not knowing english so well
20:40 cait           well
20:40 drojf          i wouldn't have :D
20:40 cait           and put it under L
20:39 cait           you would have printed a second card
20:39 drojf          craziness
20:39 cait           think card catalogs
20:39 cait           verweisungsform
20:39 drojf          AH
20:39 drojf          i know that that is the right one. what is verw than?
20:39 cait           you only do a see also with Luther King, Martin to be nice
20:39 cait           So King, Martin Luther is the right one
20:39 jcamins        And I don't even know German!
20:39 jcamins        Definitely reading it wrong.
20:39 drojf          i am not sure if it is supposed to be showing how it is not done
20:39 cait           Ans= Ansetzung
20:39 cait           you are not readin git correctly
20:38 cait           lol
20:38 cait           ?
20:38 cait           where did you find that
20:38 cait           you are right
20:38 drojf          nope?
20:38 cait           but isn't that logical?
20:38 cait           um
20:38 drojf          i wouldn't find that ;)
20:38 drojf          Luther King, Martin
20:36 cait           I can live with that I think
20:36 cait           ok :)
20:36 cait           hehe
20:36 drojf          also, weird. but interesting
20:36 drojf          not now! that is quite interesting :)
20:36 cait           pf
20:35 drojf          there are moments when i do not regret having no librarian education
20:35 cait           what?
20:35 * jcamins      shakes his head.
20:35 jcamins        "Fun."
20:35 cait           it's her website :)
20:34 cait           cool prof
20:34 cait           ah, rak was fun
20:34 drojf          sounds mildly attractive
20:34 drojf          Regeln für die einzelnen Staaten s. § 314, 5 A - M (daraus als Beispiel):
20:32 cait           but I don't knwo about the weird ways your aacr2 might file that :P
20:32 jcamins        See, this is why having an IRC channel full of librarians helps.
20:32 jcamins        :)
20:31 cait           see: Broglie, Louis de
20:31 cait           http://www.payer.de/rakwb/rakwb03.htm#3.1.
20:31 drojf          rak n roll
20:31 cait           according to rak I think
20:31 cait           well
20:31 jcamins        Not according to Princeton.
20:30 cait           that's because it's right :P
20:30 * jcamins      files under A.
20:30 jcamins        I prefer cait's version.
20:30 jcamins        I don't believe that.
20:30 jcamins        no.
20:30 jcamins        ...
20:30 jcamins        Marques, Maximo de Azevedo?
20:30 wahanui        hmmm... weird is normal after a while :)
20:30 jcamins        Weird...
20:30 cait           Azevedo Marques, Maximo de
20:30 drojf          listen to cait
20:29 drojf          but really, we have the same with 'von', but i don't remember if there is a "right" way  or just a "consistent" way
20:29 cait           A
20:28 drojf          hm. i think you choose one and stick to it, then it is correct ;)
20:27 jcamins        Azevedo Marques or de Azevedo Marques?
20:27 jcamins        I can't figure out how to file "Maximo de Azevedo Marques."
20:26 jcamins        Alas. gerundio is no longer here.
20:26 drojf          not-berlin? yeah, i hate that place
20:26 cait           i live in the wrong place
20:25 drojf          i'm surprised to say that »Git Merge is a Git  user conference held to bring together Git users and Git developers.  This May we will be getting together in Berlin to improve the world of  Git for everyone.« really does not sound completely off
20:25 drojf          but i feel like a phone owner, true
20:24 cait           details...
20:24 drojf          i got nothing so far ;)
20:24 cait           you got a phone :)
20:22 drojf          much more fun that the reals spam i get… »No matter what your interests are, our robots have picked out events you're sure to love!«. thanks mozilla for outsourcing the appday stuff to eventbrite
20:20 jcamins        lol
20:20 drojf          this guy keeps spamming me with offers for YUI button replacement
20:09 cait           oh
20:08 jcamins        It sends an e-mail to the list.
20:08 cait           I don't know the -m!
20:08 cait           the -m?
20:08 cait           oh
20:06 * jcamins      had a feeling.
20:06 oleonard       In particular, yes
20:05 jcamins        The -m switch?
20:05 * oleonard     heaps praise upon git-bz
19:58 jcamins        oleonard: there was an objection that we should offer the option of not using Zebra, however since none of the objectors could be bothered to make it work any time in the past two years, they were overruled.
19:57 oleonard       For some reason I thought there was an objection to removing it altogether... Maybe I'm thinking of something else
19:57 jcamins        (the code was removed after it stopped working)
19:57 jcamins        And it is no longer possible to choose to use NoZebra.
19:57 jcamins        For example, the NoZebra code in one of the searches was removed.
19:57 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
19:57 oleonard       Bug 7440
19:56 jcamins        The code is still there, but it has not worked _at all_ since before 3.8, at the very latest.
19:55 cait           not only deprecate but really remove it I mean?
19:55 jcamins        There are still bits of NoZebra code, sadly.
19:55 cait           did we officially remove no zebra by now?
19:55 jcamins        It doesn't do anything.
19:55 cait           I think it could maybe be removed?
19:55 jcamins        Hmm... I don't think so.
19:55 cait           hmm
19:55 oleonard       Is admin/stopwords.tt still in use?
19:54 jcamins        It's second on my list.
19:54 * oleonard     owes bkriegel multiple beers
19:54 cait           i was just going to ask you :)
19:54 jcamins        I may be pushing that tonight.
19:54 cait           ah
19:54 oleonard       And the acquisitions ones will need to be based on the new acquisitions nav structure
19:53 jcamins        bgkriegel has spent the past two days testing oleonard's patches.
19:53 cait           i thinmk some aremore complicated like the floating menu in cataloging?
19:53 cait           who did?
19:53 cait           oh cool
19:53 oleonard       I have five more patches to rebase and post, then 9 or 10 other pages to work on.
19:52 drojf          woah they are mostly signed off already. cool
19:52 cait           ok, time to throw together some dinner, brb.
19:52 jcamins        Are we close?
19:52 drojf          heh
19:52 jcamins        Hehe.
19:52 cait           lol
19:52 cait           hehe
19:52 * oleonard     looks forward to the bug report complaining that all the YUI buttons are gone
19:52 jcamins        :D
19:52 cait           yay I closed a bug!
19:51 jcamins        Thanks!
19:51 cait           done
19:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9638 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-zebraqueue-ctl.sh and zebraqueue_daemon.pl missing in latest stable release (installer-source) koha-3.10.02.tar.gz
19:49 jcamins        Could someone please update bug 9638 to inform Nikumbh that zebraqueue_daemon was deprecated for years and has been removed intentionally?
19:44 cait           yeah of course
19:44 jcamins        Best of all would be if they were dealt with prior to the feature slush.
19:43 jcamins        Please do!
19:43 cait           i might start looking at them tho... too tempting
19:43 jcamins        I'll let you know around March 14.
19:43 cait           just think about it and letme know tomorrow or omnday or whatever? :)
19:43 jcamins        As opposed to any of the 200 other patches currently either signed off or awaiting sign off.
19:43 cait           yeah
19:43 jcamins        If those patches are considered "enhancements," during the hackfest, the QA team would need to concentrate on handling them.
19:42 cait           and maybe something with caffeine
19:42 cait           I shouldmake dinner :)
19:42 cait           not sure I can follow you
19:42 jcamins        I can wait another month to decide, of course.
19:41 cait           maybe
19:41 cait           ah
19:41 jcamins        So that during the hackfest the QA team could focus on other code.
19:41 wahanui        the patches are on the bug
19:41 cait           the patches
19:41 cait           they should not be hard to qa I think
19:41 cait           hm?
19:41 jcamins        I was more thinking for QA than for new patches, though.
19:41 cait           and not only part of it
19:41 cait           itmakes sense to replace all menus
19:41 cait           jcamins: i would be ok with that if we can't finish it before
19:40 wahanui        feature freeze is probably march 22nd 2013
19:40 jcamins        cait: feature freeze.
19:40 cait           or just after feature freeze?
19:39 rangi          i wont be porting them to 3.10 and 3.8
19:39 cait           jcamins: you want to port them back down?
19:38 jcamins        I mean, if tablesorter and YUI are both deprecated, using them is deifnitely a bug.
19:37 jcamins        oleonard: I was thinking... should your Bootstrap/datatables patches actually be considered "bugfixes"?
19:26 jcamins        That sounds wonderful.
19:26 jcamins        At 2:30?
19:26 cait           oleonard: go and have some weekend? :)
19:13 drojf          morning is a state of cat
19:13 cait           just double checking...
19:13 cait           Morning?
19:13 cait           heh
19:13 jcamins        Now with correct punctuation.
19:13 wahanui        Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:13 jcamins        morning.
19:12 jcamins        Hah!
19:12 wahanui        Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:12 jcamins        morning.
19:11 cait           hmpf.
19:11 cait           forget \morning.
19:11 wahanui        cait, I didn't have anything matching morning
19:11 cait           wahanui: forget morning.
19:11 cait           forget morning.
19:11 jcamins        I've been outsmarted by a bot which just repeats things.
19:11 wahanui        morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance
19:11 cait           morning.
19:11 cait           morning?
19:11 cait           grr. indeed.
19:11 jcamins        Grr.
19:11 wahanui        ...but morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance...
19:11 jcamins        wahanui: no, Morning. is <reply> Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:10 wahanui        hmmm... morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance
19:10 jcamins        morning.
19:10 wahanui        ...but morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance...
19:10 jcamins        wahanui: no, Morning. is Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:10 wahanui        morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance
19:10 jcamins        morning.
19:10 jcamins        no, Morning. is Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:10 wahanui        rumour has it morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance
19:10 jcamins        morning.
19:10 jcamins        Hm.
19:10 wahanui        jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning
19:09 jcamins        wahanui: forget Morning?
19:09 wahanui        jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning*
19:09 jcamins        wahanui: forget Morning*
19:09 wahanui        jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning
19:09 jcamins        wahanui: forget Morning..
19:09 wahanui        jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning\
19:09 jcamins        wahanui: forget Morning\.
19:09 wahanui        Morning. is probably possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance
19:09 jcamins        Morning.
19:09 jcamins        morning?
19:09 wahanui        jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning
19:09 jcamins        wahanui: forget Morning.
19:09 wahanui        cait: I forgot morning
19:09 cait           forget Morning.
19:09 cait           that would have been my next try :)
19:09 drojf          jcamins' mornings are different
19:09 wahanui        hmmm... Morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance
19:09 jcamins        Morning.?
19:09 cait           hm.
19:09 wahanui        Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:09 cait           Morning?
19:08 wahanui        morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:08 cait           morning?
19:08 cait           hi rangi
19:08 wahanui        well, Morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance
19:08 jcamins        Morning.
19:08 oleonard       Hi rangi
19:06 rangi          morning
19:06 rangi          heh
19:06 rangi          9
18:56 oleonard       You came on too strong alohabot
18:52 alohabot       Hi mib_ir3w55, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
18:14 jcamins        Single quotes are much more common than double quotes.
18:14 jcamins        For translation purposes, Javascript should always be enclosed in double-quotes, so you'll need to go with option 2.
18:12 gerundio       betting on door #2
18:12 gerundio       I was thinking what would be the best way: backslash escape VS replace for single quotes
18:12 jcamins        Probably backslash.
18:12 jcamins        I'm not sure how to escape double quotes.
18:11 jcamins        Oh.
18:11 gerundio       jcamins, the other way around, but that's it :D
18:11 jcamins        gerundio: that probably means there's a single quote where there should be a double quote.
18:11 gerundio       do the translations accept escaping double quotes?
18:10 gerundio       I'm getting a JS script error in the homepage because of a badly quoted translation
18:09 gerundio       and in order to have a 3 column design the div on the right has 2 divs inside
18:09 gerundio       for me it just doesn't seem natural to have 2 divs side by side via CSS margins
18:08 oleonard       (in my experience anyway)
18:08 gerundio       that's no even my issue with it
18:07 oleonard       gerundio: YUI grids are quite unfriendly to designs in which one wants full-column background colors, but unfortunately so are most CSS grids
18:04 gerundio       oleonard, I get that, I looked into Yahoo's grid builder
18:03 gerundio       it doesn't show in PT but it shows in EN
18:03 oleonard       gerundio: The OPAC (like the staff client) uses YUI CSS grids for layout, and unfortunately they are not all things to all people.
18:02 gerundio       I deactivated the cart
18:02 gerundio       btw, just noticed a strange behaviour
18:02 gerundio       an easier approach would be to have a main div with 3 divs inside, something like left, center and right
18:01 gerundio       we have the yui-main side by side with yui-b (left opacnav area)
18:00 gerundio       there's no main container with 3 columns in it
18:00 gerundio       the main content area on the homepage is very odd
18:00 gerundio       oleonard, other thing with all those yui classes
17:56 oleonard       gerundio: I see, though I don't know why it's like that
17:54 gerundio       from that page and the homepage
17:54 drojf          look, it's raining more buttons
17:54 gerundio       and compare the position of the 2 logos
17:54 gerundio       https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=25431
17:54 gerundio       take a look at this book description page
17:53 gerundio       the opaccredits description says: "Include the following HTML in the footer of all pages in the OPAC"
17:53 gerundio       oleonard, a couple of things
17:52 gerundio       drojf, weird indeed :|
17:52 drojf          works fine (little slow) with the ip wahanui gave. looks like there is some old dns cache thingy going on
17:52 oleonard       What was that all about wahanui?
17:50 wahanui        opac.fct.unl.pt is 193.136.126.111
17:50 drojf          ** server can't find opac.fct.unl.pt: NXDOMAIN
17:50 drojf          Address:        85.214.20.141#53
17:50 drojf          Server:         85.214.20.141
17:50 drojf          nslookup opac.fct.unl.pt
17:49 drojf          i can get fct.unl.pt btw
17:49 drojf          other stuff works fine
17:49 gerundio       what does a nslookup query say about opac.fct.unl.pt?
17:49 drojf          so far = before this
17:48 drojf          oleonard: i did not notice dns problems so far but could be
17:48 wahanui        jcamins: SCSI's too wide.
17:48 jcamins        excuse?
17:48 oleonard       drojf: Your internet pipe is probably full for the day.
17:48 oleonard       drojf: DNS problem? Works for me.
17:47 wahanui        drojf: I forgot server not found
17:47 drojf          wahanui: forget Server not found
17:47 wahanui        Server not found is a different error to what you described before
17:47 drojf          Server not found
17:47 drojf          gerundio: Iceweasel can't find the server at opac.fct.unl.pt.
17:47 gerundio       drojf, doesn't load, like you get 404?
17:47 oleonard       gerundio: Feel free to file a bug if you have suggestions about how it could be improved from a customization point of view
17:46 jcamins        gerundio: it's getting better, thanks to oleonard.
17:46 gerundio       jcamins++
17:46 gerundio       btw, the HTML generated by Koha is not very friendly
17:46 gerundio       so there are probably lots of issues in the inner pages
17:45 gerundio       our designer just worked on the homepage
17:45 gerundio       jcamins, thanks for the feedback
17:45 * jcamins      hopes you wanted thoughts like that. :)
17:44 jcamins        *search
17:44 jcamins        And rounded the edges of the Search button on advanced searhc. :)
17:44 drojf          does not load for me
17:44 jcamins        :D
17:44 jcamins        And styled the "save" button for lists in the search results screen.
17:44 jcamins        Also that it would be better if you fixed the cart button.
17:44 jcamins        Yes: nice!
17:43 gerundio       any thoughts?
17:43 gerundio       hey guys, we just uploaded the new look & feel for our Koha installation: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/
17:42 drojf          must get really crowded in the button retirement home
17:41 oleonard       And maybe more, if we want to start styling other buttons in Bootstrap style
17:41 oleonard       And now we'll use Bootstrap buttons on a lot of pages :)
17:40 jcamins        oleonard: we used YUI buttons on a lot of pages, didn't we?
17:27 jcamins        I use my client's computer on Fridays, and rather than worry about web browser settings, I just use portable Chrome.
17:27 rambutan       check
17:26 rambutan       well, I need to chek it out
17:26 jcamins        rambutan: yeah.
17:26 rambutan       Chrome portable? like Portable Apps?
17:26 jcamins        Heh.
17:25 kf             bye all and have a nice weekend!
17:24 oleonard       Speaking of LibreOffice, some good news for them: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130213/10093021963/microsoft-makes-retail-versions-office-single-install.shtml
17:22 jcamins        Nope.
17:21 oleonard       I hope you're not waiting for that to update too jcamins?
17:20 jcamins        Apparently LibreOffice 4.0 has been released.
17:18 jcamins        bgkriegel++
17:13 * jcamins      waits impatiently for Chrome portable to update.
17:13 jcamins        :P
17:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:13 jcamins        My tl;dr summary was so long it had a tl;dr summary on bug 7284.
17:13 kf             and the test plan is not so hard, you can ignoret my atempt to explain why it was broken
17:12 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9620 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , IncludeSeeFromInSearches ON and data in $9 subfields can break indexing
17:12 kf             bug 9620 might sound a bit insane... but as it is a real problem for us it would be really nice if someone would consider testing it :)
17:12 jcamins        kf: there are many things that people can compete with me on, but I have to warn you that you are almost certain to lose that one.
17:12 * kf           feels like competing with jcamins for longest commit mesage
17:06 oleonard       I figured I'd get around to it eventually you know, if nothing good was on TV
17:06 drojf          lol
17:06 jcamins        So, oleonard, I guess you weren't really looking forward to Bootstrap getting into Koha, were you? :P
16:59 jcamins        kf: I know, but I thought he might have forgotten. ;)
16:58 drojf          [off] i dont think my brain capacity is enough to test anything today. i had a horrible night if you would call it that at all. i think this day is over soon for me
16:58 kf             jcamins: he is one, I am sure all warnings are lost
16:58 jcamins        drojf: watch out... germs _are_ contagious.
16:57 drojf          i know ;)
16:57 kf             was more looking for an innocent tester :)
16:57 drojf          good to know though
16:57 drojf          kf: we do not have authorities so far. i think that will not happen very soon, so you have that fixed by then. i trust you :)
16:56 kf             drojf: could happen to you too by the way...
16:55 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9620 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , IncludeSeeFromInSearches ON and data in $9 subfields can break rebulid_zebra.pl
16:55 kf             bug 9620
16:54 kf             testing my patch ... it's ok
16:54 jcamins        What do you mean?
16:53 drojf          a famous hunter once said something like: you can turn your back on a person, but you can never turn your back on MARC
16:53 kf             jcamins: is there an easy way to check that marc really included the 400 for other fields?
16:51 kf             leaving ship captain? ts.
16:51 jcamins        Why do you think I'm abandoning MARC? :P
16:50 kf             if that's true you are going ot have weird data soon too *muahaha* ;)
16:50 wahanui        Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
16:50 jcamins        germs?
16:50 wahanui        germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
16:50 jcamins        germs?
16:50 jcamins        No, you Germans have no one to blame but yourself for that. :P
16:49 kf             well, he is not to blame for our weird data
16:47 * kf           fixes jcamins code :P
16:47 jcamins        Oh, kf already said that.
16:46 oleonard       Joubu++
16:46 jcamins        joubu
16:46 kf             Joubu
16:46 oleonard       I always forget Jonathan's IRC nick
16:45 kf             lol okok :)
16:45 kf             I think Jonathan  qa'd?
16:45 oleonard       kf: What about all the cookies you supplied me with?
16:45 kf             I was not helpful with that :)
16:45 oleonard       Because without your help I couldn't have gotten the first Bootstrap patch in :)
16:44 oleonard       kf++
16:44 oleonard       jcamins++
16:44 kf             i should get a shortcut for that :)
16:44 kf             oleonard++ :)
16:39 jcamins        oleonard++
16:39 oleonard       Not quite, but I'm working on it :)
16:39 kf             oleonard: by tonight no more yui menus will be left in Koha? :)
16:21 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1051: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1051/
16:20 jcamins        These are really nicely made boxes.
16:19 jcamins        Yup.
16:18 kf             at a client's?
16:18 jcamins        About 30.
16:18 jcamins        oleonard: boxes.
16:18 rambutan       which is to say, I boinc
16:17 rambutan       I fold proteins
16:16 oleonard       What are you folding today jcamins?
16:16 jcamins        kf: I am!
16:16 kf             oleonard: just got the new bootstrap menu - I like :)
16:15 kf             in that case...just feel lucky? :)
16:13 jcamins        I had ordered the cheap ones, and instead they sent me nice ones for the same price.
16:13 jcamins        I think they charged me the wrong amount or sent me the wrong boxes.
16:11 jcamins        oleonard: exactly how I feel about the matter.
16:11 jcamins        Yes.
16:11 oleonard       jcamins: http://www.khaaan.com/
16:11 jcamins        Well, a bone.
16:11 kf             ah, I know. it's a little tool made of bone to work with paper?
16:11 jcamins        No, it's a folder made of bones.
16:11 kf             you fold bones? :P
16:10 kf             bonefolder??
16:10 jcamins        I took my bonefolder out of my backpack because Shari needed it, and now I am bonefolder-less!
16:10 jcamins        Argh!
16:08 oleonard       The patrons about the process, the librarians about the cost and restrictions, the publishers about the fact that someone is reading each of those files more than once :P
16:08 oleonard       The only people that like the way ebooks are handled in public libraries is Overdrive. Everyone else is holding their nose over some aspect of it.
16:06 jcamins        [off] But, seriously, public librarians, if this is what you think patrons want and need, you should just close up shop and start looking for a job in retail. Either don't put the ebooks on the first page of every search, or get enough that they're usable.
16:05 reiveune1      bye
16:05 jcamins        oleonard: yeah, sounds right.
16:02 oleonard       jcamins: Because they have a small collection and an e-book policy which prevents two people from having one at the same time?
16:02 jcamins        Why is it that every single e-book in my local library has 10+ holds on it?
16:00 jcamins        I don't know what that means.
15:59 bigbrovar      ok so sudo make upgrade went well.. I got the following error from the web installer when I attempted to upgrade the database http://paste.ubuntu.com/1658386/
15:58 kf             jcamins: I feel for the timesheet software
15:57 jcamins_away   kf: it makes the timesheet software very grouchy.
15:57 kf             making jokes?
15:54 jcamins_away   This computer thinks it is April 1.
15:53 bigbrovar      jcamins_away: thanks
15:52 * jcamins_away made it into the city.
15:52 jcamins_away   bigbrovar: yes, you can continue.
15:50 oleonard       I believe so bigbrovar, although I am not an install expert
15:49 bigbrovar      oleonard: mean I can proceed with make install without worries ?
15:45 oleonard       failing calendar tests are to be expected as far as I can recall
15:45 bigbrovar      kf: I will do that thanks
15:44 kf             bigbrovar: maybe check bugzilla for failing calendar tests
15:44 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "“Bookless libraries” and the death of the paper book http://t.co/4My3g868 #kohails"
15:42 bigbrovar      Hi guys.. trying to upgrade our koha instance from 3.4.1 to 3.10.2 after installing all the required perl modules (as per the upgrade docs) I got the following error when I ran a make test http://pastebin.com/BQH23Tz3
15:42 kf             :)
15:42 oleonard       That's my plan
15:41 kf             oleonard: patch frenzy? :)
15:20 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9502 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9
15:20 tcohen         rangi, should I mark bug 9502 as RESOLVED?
15:17 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1051 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Work on Bootstrap for Koha
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9460 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9461 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on holds awaiting pickup report page
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on update child to adult patron page
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9467 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on catalog by item type report page
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9226 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Wrong branch filter after suggestion creation
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha: Circ toolbar
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9460 - Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9461 [Revised] Use DataTables on holds awaiting pickup report page
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9465 - Use DataTables on update child to adult patron page
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9467 - Use DataTables on catalog by item type report page
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9226: Wrong branch filter after suggestion creation
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Package dependency updates for master
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
15:16 jenkins_koha   * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Robin Sheat: Bug 9592 - update dependencies, allow blacklisting
15:16 jenkins_koha   * Robin Sheat: Bug 9592 - remove db-dependency from Members.pm
15:16 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1050: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1050/
15:14 bigbrovar      Hi guys.. trying to upgrade our koha instance from 3.4.1 to 3.10.2 after installing all the required perl modules (as per the upgrade docs) I got the following error when I ran a make test http://pastebin.com/BQH23Tz3
15:09 maximep        good morning kf
15:08 magnuse        dbix::class is pretty awesome, btw ;-)
15:04 * magnuse      wanders off to get ready to make pizza in a couple of hours
15:03 alaquerre      Ok, still thanks for the validation :-)
15:03 magnuse        hm, i don't have any clever ideas, i'm afraid...
15:02 alaquerre      I beleive it's each minute
15:02 magnuse        no, the options look fine i guess
15:01 magnuse        and how often do you run it
15:00 alaquerre      Are you using any other option ?
14:57 alaquerre      rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z
14:56 magnuse        alaquerre: you might want to look at how rebuild_zebra.pl is set up in your cronjobs
14:51 alaquerre      Make me think we are doing something really wrong.
14:51 kf             hi maximep
14:51 kf             hm have never had that happen
14:51 alaquerre      Ok... not sure what is our problem. :-(
14:51 kf             it's fast and you can search while zebra does it
14:51 alaquerre      We have the impression that when we rebuild, when the index is dump, we lose the connection with Zebra
14:51 kf             I don't know .)
14:50 kf             but not sure your problem is related to that
14:50 alaquerre      How much time it take to do the incremental rebuild ?
14:50 kf             up to around 70.000 I think currently
14:50 kf             it differes
14:49 alaquerre      How big is instance approx ?
14:49 kf             the incremental rebuild, not a full one
14:49 kf             -z every 5 minutes
14:49 alaquerre      How often do you "rebuild zebra" during the day ?
14:47 kf             hm haven't heard that so far
14:46 alaquerre      Opac Searc : Do you have a problem of "0 result" on a query and when you relaunch the searc, everything works with X results?  Our user have this problem often (couple of time each day)
14:45 alaquerre      On Opac-Search, does it occur ofthen that
14:43 magnuse        alaquerre: that should not be necessary, i think
14:43 alaquerre      I'll ask another question on a completly different topic.
14:42 alaquerre      We need a full rebuild of Zebra to see the change ?
14:41 alaquerre      Will try that!
14:41 alaquerre      Interresting
14:41 alaquerre      We need to put "942$n" =1
14:40 alaquerre      let me read a bit about it... never use it.
14:39 drojf          opacsuppression sounds like a reasonable way to do that then
14:39 alaquerre      We want to keep the "empty" biblio for historical reason, but dont want our user to see them...
14:38 kf             you may have to use opacsuppression instead and set that manually
14:38 kf             opachiddenitems would hide it if all items were hidden... but if there are no items
14:38 kf             i don't think you can do it automagically hm.
14:37 alaquerre      Hi all, is there a way to hide biblio that dont have any items in opac search ?
14:25 magnuse        Viktor: it has been suggested that you get yourself a proper irc client ;-)
14:25 kf             hm or might have been me?
14:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Improve acquisitions navigation
14:25 kf             bug 8913
14:19 oleonard       jcamins_away: I probably jettisoned one by mistake in a rebase
14:19 * jcamins_away heads into the city.
14:18 jcamins_away   I see in the history that it was signed off twice, but I have to figure out which signoff belongs there.
14:18 jcamins_away   And missing a signoff.
14:18 jcamins_away   It's kind of large.
14:18 jcamins_away   I think 8913 is going to have to wait a bit.
14:15 oleonard       It's Christmas morning for me and jcamins_away is Santa!
14:12 kf             oh and happy jenkins
14:12 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9420' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=26f473ca7574100994b322439d015e789f249906> / Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha: Circ toolbar <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=22449053032a63537a8fb031780e65020ec9c011> / Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff
14:11 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1050 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:11 kf             and we all know... people like UI improvements :)
14:11 kf             yeah :)
14:11 jcamins_away   Lots of nice UI improvements!
14:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9608 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , white background on header on check in
14:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7608 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Manual history is always 'enabled'
14:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9454 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , NewBasket does not use placeholders in sql
14:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , fast cataloging not always checking out
14:10 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in
14:10 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 7608: Manual history should not always be enabled
14:10 jenkins_koha   * Colin Campbell: Bug 9454: Use placeholders when adding basket
14:10 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
14:10 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
14:10 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1049: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1049/
14:09 kf             :)
14:09 kf             in your pocket? :)
14:08 oleonard       In my pocket.
14:08 * oleonard     already has a patch for that!
14:08 * kf           suggests you start with the new borrower button and the detail page :P
14:07 kf             oleonard++
14:07 magnuse        oleonard++
14:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Work on Bootstrap for Koha
14:07 magnuse        bug 9420
14:07 kf             oleonard: yay!!
14:02 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9460' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a386df2c78b6c44f5ac476678e49d0039306b94b> / Bug 9460 - Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04152027d6f678da2ecd160b6c3431797637db93> / Merge branch 'bug_9461' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=
13:59 oleonard       Too late! I Bootstrapped all the things!
13:55 jcamins_away   Just testing the package build.
13:55 * oleonard     Bootstraps all! the! things!
13:54 jcamins_away   Yay! 9420 looks great!
13:52 jcamins_away   (without looking at the other patch)
13:51 jcamins_away   I don't understand how someone on my QA team could successfully QA a patch which depends on another patch to function.
13:47 drojf          lol
13:46 * jcamins_away offers up a copy of telnet.
13:45 * drojf        throws a real irc client into the hat
13:44 * oleonard     takes up a collection to help the poor souls without real irc clients
13:39 magnuse        i think it has been suggested to him :-)
13:35 drojf          maybe its time for viktor to switch to a real irc client ;)
13:28 magnuse        yeah, yeah... ;-)
13:26 kf             he talked to me :P
13:23 magnuse        gah, he's ignoring me
13:19 * magnuse      waves at Viktor
13:16 kf             hi oleonard
13:16 drojf          hi oleonard
13:15 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:05 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1049 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:01 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9608' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76a2e04f46aca366ffed46d51ef9ed26ea6dfecb> / Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f068328e338e9b230dbf8bf58b8ea3f6b31cab5b> / Merge branch 'bug_7608' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d5bdaff0350
12:55 kf             drojf: can't download the files - so can#t test for errors :(
12:55 huginn         kf: The operation succeeded.
12:55 kf             @later tell druthb please fix the permissions once more? it seems to reoccur on every update of translations :( http://translate.koha-community.org/de/310/export/zip
12:54 Viktor         Nice to hear kf :)
12:54 kf             quite good too :) lots of interesting projects, lots of work, but good
12:54 Viktor         Things are coming along quite nicely. How are you? kf
12:53 kf             drojf: 3.10 is now done too - no guarantees
12:53 Viktor         Quite good.
12:53 kf             how's things? :)
12:53 Viktor         Hi!
12:53 kf             hi Viktor :)
12:50 drojf          no. lol
12:50 kf             I don't think I would like to use a search option that is named like that to find me books...
12:50 drojf          :D
12:49 kf             group
12:49 kf             it's a nother grup
12:49 drojf          omg
12:49 kf             it's in there
12:49 drojf          hahaha i thought of that, but did not say it
12:47 kf             Vorpubertierende? really?
12:45 drojf          or krautsource it
12:44 kf             oh yes, good plan
12:44 drojf          you should take license fees from people using koha in german ;)
12:44 drojf          oh that is more than i thought
12:44 kf             bit less than 200 I think
12:44 kf             bit more
12:44 kf             not a lot :)
12:44 drojf          10 words? :)
12:43 drojf          how much was that?
12:43 drojf          yay
12:43 kf             drojf: 3.8 is done
12:42 drojf          lol
12:42 kf             when we finally catch that guy...
12:42 drojf          of course, marcs fault
12:41 kf             I kept it for now
12:41 kf             not sure, but translations might have come from marc21 standard
12:41 kf             there are lots of subgroups
12:41 drojf          different
12:41 drojf          what makes that differen form jugendliche?
12:40 kf             Adolescent = Heranwachsende? hm.
12:39 kf             I think it might be a quirk with file paths/update scripts or something
12:39 kf             but he was gone too fast
12:39 kf             nope
12:39 drojf          so 37% does not really make sense
12:39 drojf          i thought we had something similar, but it's 75% for german
12:37 kf             because it's not correct that we have to rebuild really, only when people change things... but maybe not the complete file was used to update his po files... who knows.
12:36 kf             hm he is no longer here eh?
12:36 kf             vfernandes: you could do a simple test - get your complete 3.10 files
12:36 kf             vfernandes: I think your % is really low
12:36 drojf          kf: unfortunately i should work on other things
12:35 kf             drojf: there is a bug ... you could work on it ;)
12:31 drojf          heh
12:30 magnuse        nah, quite, brooding types us northerners...
12:29 drojf          swedish people don't talk much :P
12:21 magnuse        kia ora Viktor
12:08 drojf          have a running, translated koha, do bonus stuff whenever
12:07 drojf          seperate the help stuff would be really nice
12:05 vfernandes     those are good improvements but the problem maintains but divided by different files
12:05 magnuse        those bugs would make translating easier, i think
12:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects
12:05 magnuse        bug 7939
12:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po file for help pages
12:04 magnuse        bug 7934
12:03 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Translate only specific files
12:03 magnuse        bug 9161
12:03 vfernandes     I'm thinking about creating a routine to check which string are new or changed in koha 3.12 file from koha 3.10, adding them to koha 3.10 files and then replace the files in the pootle
12:02 magnuse        drojf: don't remind us...
12:01 drojf          we had a lot of fun when the templates were switched to template::toolkit too
12:01 vfernandes     37% for me is like starting from 0
12:01 drojf          vfernandes: i dont think we start from 0 again. its just a lot of new stuff
11:59 magnuse        drojf: lol
11:58 drojf          but given how much % of koha is developed by germans, that will probably be the same as just not upgrade anymore ever
11:58 vfernandes     for each new version he have to "rebuild" the translations and that makes no sense
11:58 drojf          languages even
11:58 drojf          maybe we fork it and only develop in our lown anguages. krautkoha for the germans, trollkoha for the norwegians…
11:55 drojf          i think kf said that a lot of it is help files this time
11:53 magnuse        maintaining translations *is* hard, sadly...
11:52 vfernandes     in this way it too hard to mantain translations
11:52 vfernandes     if 3.10 are fully translated... 3.12 should use 3.10 files plus the new or changed strings
11:51 drojf          i think i have heard that one before
11:47 vfernandes     I don't want to translate again 60000 words
11:47 vfernandes     shouldn't 3.12 use 3.10 translations as base?
11:47 vfernandes     but 3.12 is only 37%
11:46 vfernandes     koha 3.12 translations.... I have koha 3.10 fully translated for portuguese
11:45 vfernandes     hi guys
11:39 kf             probably
11:39 drojf          we have no fines \o/ that saves a lot of trouble i think ;)
11:38 kf             we just began testing
11:38 kf             there might be more, not sure
11:38 kf             fines don't display in notices
11:38 kf             yeah
11:36 drojf          luckily that does not apply to us, but that is really bad
11:35 magnuse        or want to have multiple marc dialects on the same server
11:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
11:34 magnuse        there's bug 9256
11:26 drojf          do we have any severe problems in 3.10? with 3.10.3 coming i would start considering an upgrade otherwise
11:22 drojf          kf: i have been following that for days ;)
11:22 drojf          hi kf and magnuse
11:21 kf             drojf: go on inetbib if you are interested in the big discussion about amazon covers in library catalogs...
11:21 magnuse        moin drojf
11:21 kf             hi drojf
11:17 drojf          good day #koha
10:23 * kf           is translating ...
10:20 kf             marcelr++ :)
08:58 magnuse        kia ora kf
08:57 kf             morning #koha
08:30 jransom        good evening @francharb
08:23 magnuse        jransom: not to worry, i really <3 koha! ;-)
08:22 dcook          magnuse: I'm often intrigued by some of the other projects I work on, but Koha is certainly where my heart is as well :)
08:22 * dcook        agrees about south america
08:20 jransom        koha community loves magnus so dont you go and seduced into another project
08:20 magnuse        ooh, that would be excellent
08:20 jransom        I hoping south america - argentina maybe
08:20 magnuse        dcook: it's not too bad, i get to work on some nice projects, but koha is where my heart is...
08:19 magnuse        that reminds me we might want to start to think about when we should start to think about calling for bidders for kohacon14
08:19 dcook          Sorry to hear that you're not getting to do as much Koha work as you'd li ke, magnuse :/
08:19 dcook          salut, gaetan_B!
08:19 magnuse        fingers crossed!
08:18 jransom        I hope you can get to reno too but (on the bright side) if you miss it you might get to the next one which I might get to as well!
08:17 magnuse        i'm currently doing mostly non-koha things to make ends meet, hopefully there will be enough koha business so i can work mostly on koha in the not too distant future...
08:17 dcook          It would be great to see you at reno, magnuse!
08:17 magnuse        yeah, time for signoffs would be nice
08:16 dcook          And help out on the English ones...
08:16 dcook          And maybe fix the French manuals...
08:16 dcook          If only I could find the time to do more sign offs, magnuse
08:16 magnuse        did i mention i hope i can make it to reno?
08:16 dcook          That's the diplomatic way to put it, jransom ;)
08:16 magnuse        dcook: sounds like you are having a great time :-)
08:15 jransom        well its totally different i imagine
08:15 dcook          I only started seriously programming in late 2011, and now my world has been transformed and I want to transform the world of others :D
08:15 dcook          I had already been hired by Prosentient to work on Koha, but I didn't know a thing about Koha per se. I had worked with ILSs for years, but only proprietary ones
08:14 dcook          Before I ever actually starting working on Koha, I saw Chris give a talk at Access 2011 in Vancouver
08:14 dcook          It's great being a part of it
08:14 dcook          D'accord ^_^
08:13 magnuse        amen :-)
08:13 jransom        its a perfect fit for libraries - who share and give stuff away :)
08:13 jransom        i love that the community is so strong and so supportive and works so well together
08:13 dcook          And there are tons of library and information studies folk wanting to get more involved in library technology and community...it's a perfect fit
08:12 * magnuse      thinks so too
08:12 dcook          I think a lot of people would profit from it
08:12 magnuse        and groing stronger by the day :-)
08:12 dcook          I've heard that Koha is pretty strong in India. I'm originally from Canada, so I'm trying to stir up interest back home
08:12 jransom        seeing Koha so strong around the world is an amzing thing
08:11 jransom        loved loved loved KohaCon in Mumabi
08:11 jransom        It is amazing to see Koha
08:10 jransom        (basking in glory becuase Chris and Paul and Rosalie and Racgel and about a billion other people aren't here to claim credit)
08:10 dcook          It must be amazing to see how it's turned out, or rather how it is turning out
08:10 jransom        You are welcome :)
08:09 dcook          Well, thank you for starting it!
08:09 dcook          I imagine that I knew that at one point
08:09 dcook          hehehe
08:09 jransom        i just talk and schmooze - JD actually does work on Koha :)
08:09 magnuse        dcook: jransom is the boss at the library that started koha :-)
08:08 jransom        Horowhenua library trust
08:08 jransom        i will try and get to the one after
08:08 dcook          Which organization are you with, jransom?
08:08 * magnuse      hopes to make it to reno but will miss seeing jransom there
08:08 dcook          I think that's the plan here as well
08:07 jransom        she is working on Koha and while I'm not happy about missing out - in all conscience I have to send JD. Would be much more useful to Koha than having me there.
08:07 dcook          Hopefully I'll be the one being sent as well
08:06 jransom        No - I wont be. I am planning to send my new Tech services chickie JD (Joanne Dillon)
08:06 magnuse        yay!
08:06 dcook          Going to Reno?
08:06 dcook          Thanks. I've enjoyed the past year here. Hope to make it many more
08:05 jransom        oh cool - well welcome to Koha
08:05 dcook          Nope :)
08:05 jransom        clearly wasnt you then :)
08:05 dcook          I only arrived in January 2012
08:05 dcook          Hmm, maybe. Probably.
08:05 jransom        probably actually ...
08:05 jransom        i met somene from prosentinet somewhere - kohacon NZ maybe
08:04 jransom        I saw Sydney - thought Calyx
08:04 dcook          O_o
08:04 jransom        ah - well there you go
08:04 dcook          Nope. Prosentient Systems.
08:04 jransom        dcook: do you work with Calyx?
08:04 jransom        had a bbq for tea tonight
08:03 jransom        9pm here
08:03 dcook          7pm. I really need to leave work..
08:03 jransom        it is glorious weather - been a great summer
08:03 jransom        probably not
08:03 magnuse        jransom: so will you get yourself over to kapiti this summer?
08:02 magnuse        i think it's 9pm in levin
08:02 magnuse        what's the time in sydney?
08:02 magnuse        hehe
08:02 dcook          Cold beer time...
08:01 huginn         dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 24.0°C (6:30 PM EST on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
08:01 dcook          @wunder sydney, australia
08:01 huginn         dcook: Error: No such location could be found.
08:01 dcook          @wunder syndey, australia
08:01 dcook          hi jransom
08:01 magnuse        sounds nice!
08:01 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 19.1°C (8:58 PM NZDT on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:01 magnuse        @wunder levin, nz
08:00 jransom        hi all
08:00 jransom        hi Magnus
08:00 magnuse        god dag = good day
07:59 magnuse        hm, i guess "hei" would be the equivalent of hello
07:59 dcook          Equivalent of hi/hey and good day?
07:59 magnuse        "god dag" is another
07:59 magnuse        dcook: "hei" is the simplest form
07:59 magnuse        kia ora jransom
07:55 dcook          Interested parties want to know :p
07:55 dcook          How do you say hello in Norwegian?
07:55 dcook          bonjour, magnuse :)
07:53 magnuse        bonjour reiveune, dcook
07:51 reiveune       hi dcook, magnuse :)
07:51 magnuse        :-)
07:51 reiveune       lol
07:51 magnuse        i loose
07:50 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.6°C (8:45 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
07:50 magnuse        @wunder konstanz
07:50 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:50 magnuse        @wunder boo
07:50 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:50 magnuse        @wunder marseille
07:50 dcook          allo, reiveune
07:49 reiveune       hello
07:47 dcook          Ta, cait :)
07:47 cait           bbl :)
07:47 * cait         waves
07:44 * magnuse      waves
07:44 dcook          And spines that glow but only for the first season or two...
07:44 wahanui        wizzyrea is, like, a Cylon, and they all have plans
07:44 dcook          hey wizzyrea
07:38 dcook          Everyone arrives just as I'm about to leave :p. Darned southern hemisphere..
07:36 dcook          :)
07:35 alex_a         dcook: ca va merci :)
07:34 dcook          Ca va?
07:34 dcook          alex_a_
07:34 dcook          bonjour, alex_a-
07:31 alex_a_        bonjour tout le monde
07:22 cait           that's quite cool
07:22 cait           :)
07:20 dcook          There are a lot of people keen to get more involved in library technology, but they're just not sure where to start
07:20 dcook          And existing members of SLAIS (the library school in Vancouver)
07:20 dcook          Personally, I'm trying to recruit more of my former classmates
07:19 cait           and others of course
07:19 cait           :)
07:19 cait           glad we have the 2 of you
07:19 cait           yeah :)
07:18 dcook          He's been a machine lately. Every time I go to do a sign off, he's already gotten there! ;)
07:18 dcook          bgkriegel++
07:17 * dcook        is determined to make a conscious effort to step up the signing off
07:17 dcook          Thanks, cait :)
07:12 cait           dcook++
07:12 cait           :)
06:52 dcook          Not a big one, but one nonetheless
06:52 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , opac not showing fines - says 'no'
06:52 dcook          There we go, khall_away :). Bug 8079
06:25 * druthb       waves to her beste freundin
06:21 dcook          I'm trying :)
06:21 cait           an awesome goal :)
06:21 dcook          Plus, laundry and dishes await me at home. Well, and beer along the way...but that's not much of a chore
06:21 cait           :)
06:21 dcook          As for me, I said that I would sign off at least one patch today, so I'm about to do just that
06:21 dcook          I forgot that you're an early riser. I don't know how you do it :p
06:17 cait           it's 7:15 am here -so I stil have to go to work :)
06:17 cait           so why are you not off for the weekend? ;)
06:17 cait           lol
06:17 dcook          Yes, definitely Friday, lol
06:17 dcook          I think...
06:17 dcook          5:14pm Friday here
06:16 dcook          Hehe. Time differences are fun
06:16 cait           the day just started, we will see :)
06:16 dcook          how goes it, cait?
06:11 cait           hi dcook :)
06:11 dcook          hola cait
06:11 dcook          Well...not bad
06:11 dcook          Mmm, bad sys pref perhaps
06:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , opac not showing fines - says 'no'
06:10 dcook          Trying to test bug 8079 but can't get fines to generate...
06:07 dcook          Hmm...
05:48 * dcook        looks to see what Owen has been up to
05:48 dcook          I'm sure that's enough time to sign off some patch...
05:48 dcook          Hmmm, 14 minutes left in the working day
05:11 dcook          np :)
04:55 druthb         :)  thanx.
04:55 dcook          druthb++
04:53 * druthb       dances around happily.  Pootle is all updated for string freeze. :)
02:54 druthb         translators++   Those are the people who really make stuff happen; I'm just the server-ops wench.
02:46 druthb         :)
02:46 mtj            yes, and thanks druthb++ :)
02:46 druthb         now that I've learned *how*, it's gotten easier.
02:45 rangi          thanks druthb
02:45 mtj            fingers crossed….
02:43 mtj            im building some deb packages :p
02:26 druthb         workin' on string freezes now! :)  :D
02:19 cjh            \o
02:18 druthb         o/
01:58 mtj            yay friday! -> http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/8309633/In-flight-flatulence-is-ok
01:33 wizzyrea       graciousl
01:33 cjh            yay netsplits.
00:31 dcook          Accessibility guidelines are good :)
00:31 dcook          Err usability guidelines
00:31 * dcook        wonders the same thing about Javascript and accessibility guidelines on occasion
00:28 jcamins_away   WTF is the point of having that feature if you're not supposed to use it?
00:27 jcamins_away   Firefox says that client-side XSLT isn't safe.
00:24 rangi          at the same power
00:24 wahanui        hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:24 drojf          interesting
00:24 rangi          it does but the distance you can go is shorter than across land
00:24 drojf          and that does not work?
00:23 rangi          when i was at citylink we were playing with wifi across the harbour
00:22 dcook          Hmm. I don't know if I've ever experienced that
00:22 drojf          "found 13 items where the country is  Russia" ok. i doubt there are 13 libraries in russia, so there is probably more koha too ;)
00:21 rangi          i know going over water does
00:21 rangi          wifi even
00:21 dcook          Especially the further you get from the "bigger" cities
00:21 rangi          i suspect snow messes with up pretty bad
00:21 dcook          They have dial up still
00:20 drojf          do local wifi
00:20 dcook          If libraries were setting it up for themselves and just using it in house
00:20 dcook          Could still work on a LAN though
00:20 dcook          And the sub-Arctic territories, although their internet connection is pretty spotty...
00:20 dcook          And that Atlantic provinces
00:20 dcook          I know Evergreen is really big in British Columbia, but I think the rest of the country would really profit from Koha, especially in the prairies.
00:19 rangi          yep
00:18 dcook          I think the Canada stats are off too, but it's due to that whole self-reporting thing
00:18 drojf          translation 35%
00:17 rangi          im sure there are more
00:16 drojf          hm. i dont know why i find that strange, but i do
00:15 rangi          hmm afaik yes drojf
00:14 rangi          the other cool amateur one i remember is this one http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/5468497/Cuba-Mall-snow-video-takes-on-life-of-its-own
00:14 drojf          is there just one known koha library in russia?
00:10 rangi          yep
00:10 dcook          He did a good job in making it look pretty professional overall. Definitely conveyed a lot of emotion :)
00:10 rangi          yeah just put together by an amateur film maker it really captured the moment
00:09 dcook          Oh snap. That's an awesome clip, rangi
00:05 rangi          it sums it up
00:05 rangi          watch the final few mins here, through the eyes of the fans
00:05 rangi          dcook: http://vimeo.com/31010288
00:04 dcook          I tried to go to one of the play off games with an Irish friend of mine, but the tvs weren't working at the pub he wound up at and we were out in the boonies at that stage :/
00:04 dcook          Cheers for staying awake
00:03 rangi          the final
00:03 rangi          it was a stupidly tense game
00:02 rangi          i watched the 3rd and 4th place play off with amy buckland after the karaoke evening
00:02 drojf          lol
00:01 rangi          i forget the name of the pub, something rugby related
00:01 rangi          there were about 8 of us on the plane wearing rugby jerseys
00:01 rangi          then from there to wellington
00:01 dcook          Oh? Nice
00:01 dcook          Well "direct"
00:01 rangi          direct to auckland
00:01 dcook          Did you do the direct or the LA/SF stop over?
00:00 rangi          i crashed pretty fast on that flight
00:00 dcook          hehe
00:00 rangi          still slightly drunk and with no sleep :)
00:00 rangi          and flew home
00:00 rangi          and got a train to the airport
00:00 cjh            rangi: dedication.
00:00 wahanui        i think checked out is set to 0000-00-00.
00:00 rangi          checked out
00:00 rangi          staggered back to the hotel
00:00 dcook          Which pub?
00:00 dcook          Nice one!
00:00 rangi          i watched the final at 3am in a pub in vancouver
00:00 dcook          Very awesome