Time Nick Message 23:59 bag oh that world cup final shot is awesome 23:59 bag we all had a lot of fun in NOLA - asking rangi what he cooks on his deck (you know the back porch patio kind of thing) 23:59 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/access_2011/html/slide017.html 23:59 rangi and my favourite slide, from 2 days before the world cup final 23:58 rangi hehe 23:58 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/access_2011/html/slide015.html 23:58 bag rangi they've upgraded now - so they make more than just the almonds - like they make chocolate covered almonds etc. 23:58 dcook I wish that I hadn't been so slammed at the time 23:57 dcook It was great! 23:57 rangi heh, gets them everytime 23:57 * dcook can't remember rangi's accent, but really wondered how long he was going to speak Maori for at his Access presentation 23:57 rangi they were good! 23:57 bag yeah rangi bought those almonds at the farmers market here in Santa Barbara 23:56 bag October will be hard for baseball - since it will be world series time and most minor leagues are done at that time 23:56 dcook lol 23:56 drojf heh. love that one 23:56 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 23:56 drojf rangi? 23:56 wahanui gmcharlt: excuse me? 23:56 gmcharlt wahanui: speak up, we can't quite make that out 23:56 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 23:56 bag bag? 23:54 rangi or go to baseball games 23:54 rangi heh 23:53 gmcharlt or imagining combining mine, rangi's, and paul_p's 23:53 bag or have fun with rangi's accent 23:52 bag when you really get to understand paul_p etc... 23:52 bag yeah that's the times that are fun 23:51 rangi usually between beers 23:51 drojf it was still fun :) 23:51 rangi we did a lot of that 23:51 rangi hehe yes 23:51 drojf and standing in the rain in scotland 23:51 jcamins_away ^^ that's the part I'm interested in. 23:51 rangi that is the bit that reinforces community 23:51 rangi but its the talking over beers or coffees 23:51 rangi the presentations and stuff are cool 23:50 rangi imho 23:50 rangi its the most important part of the conf 23:50 dcook Ahh, group bonding time? :p 23:50 rangi we try to do something cultural/unique to the area 23:50 dcook Mind you, I'm probably going to take a week or two off afterwards and try to see family and friends while I'm in NA 23:50 dcook I like the day off idea, rangi 23:50 drojf unfortunately i don't see that happening for me 23:50 drojf i would 23:49 jcamins_away Go to, rather. 23:48 jcamins_away I'm not sure yet if I'll come to the entire thing. 23:46 rangi 2006 had 2 days conf, 5 days hackfest 23:46 rangi at least since 2010 anyway, 2009 didnt have the day off bit 23:45 rangi 1 day off, 3 days hackfest 23:45 rangi 3 days conf 23:45 rangi thats how long they always are :) 23:45 * dcook is not opposed to this idea 23:45 dcook Wow...the plan is for a rather long conference 23:44 rangi that gossip session could be fun 23:44 dcook Well, at least I'm in the door...:p 23:42 bag the knock is submit patches :P 23:42 * dcook wonders if there is a secret handshake and knock as well 23:42 dcook :o 23:42 bag I'd like to do gossip hour - tell the real story of koha from 4 years ago 23:41 bag maybe it was the secret way to get listed as a koha support company… 23:41 jcamins_away rangi: excellent, that means I don't have to do that one. 23:41 rangi for the hackfest 23:41 rangi im gonna do "from librarian to coder, in 1 hour" 23:40 rangi heh 23:40 bag good thing I wrote that down somewhere 23:40 bag I had an idea awhile ago that I talked about doing with rangi - but I can't remember that at all right now 23:39 bag but at least you thought about it 23:39 jcamins_away Probably. 23:39 jcamins_away I haven't decided. 23:39 bag presenting? 23:39 jcamins_away At present, yes. 23:39 bag jcamins_away you planning on going to reno? 23:38 bag yeah timing is weird sometimes 23:37 jcamins_away Exactly. 23:37 bag actually should help focus 23:37 jcamins_away bag: that was the point. 23:36 dcook :D 23:36 bag bummer that is right after the freeze - but really good that it is right after the freeze so we can concentrate on bugs :) 23:36 * dcook wishes 23:36 bag hey any of you going to the french hackfest? 23:35 bag [off] oh now I get it - sorry dense - I was like no fucking way!!! that's cool 23:34 jcamins_away [off] I do not work for him. But he does lots of endorsements. 23:34 drojf ha that goes right into the newsletter 23:34 bag or is that just kidding 23:34 bag [off] jcamins_away MJ? 23:33 rangi heh 23:33 * dcook apparently likes to repeat the word important a lot 23:33 dcook drojf: I know, right? 23:33 drojf i did not know we had so many spanish support companies 23:33 dcook I think this community and the name of Koha are both really important, and I think whatever can help keep them both in good standing in the larger world is important 23:33 rangi so everyone has to play by the same rules even tho we know some companies are much more involved than others 23:32 dcook For sure. I'm all in favour of rules :D 23:32 rangi "look im an official company" 23:32 rangi but want a listing so they can go 23:32 rangi the rules are to stop the things that don't want to build up that word of mouth or get involved in the community 23:31 dcook [off] I do wonder about your clientele sometimes :p 23:31 jcamins_away [off] I should get an endorsement... "C & P, Michael Jordan's favorite bibliographic services company!" 23:28 dcook Exactly 23:28 bag yeah we love the word of mouth :) better than any endorsement 23:27 dcook We've never really had to worry much about advertising. I'd just like it to be mentioned that we're part of the community 23:27 rangi heh 23:26 drojf that is why i would give you the direct country link that shows my company. you don't have to read about the "no endorsement" thing then 23:26 bag well besides saying you're awesome! but yeah no endorsement we can subtract that utterly - it means no endorsement 23:25 rangi being listed implies utterly no endorsement 23:25 rangi the other major thing to remember 23:24 dcook I always figured library tech people to be akin to ninjas (especially as opposed to pirates) 23:23 bag damn typos 23:22 * bag feels like a ninja behing the keyboard today - good thing this isn't a talking channel 23:22 bag I'm a bit sarcastic today - sorry it will pass 23:21 drojf lol 23:21 bag [off] don't be a dick - works really well too :) 23:20 drojf [off] what has also worked: hastily put a koha logo in an arbitrary place on your not-library-related website :P 23:20 dcook Thanks, bag :) 23:19 bag you're more than golden IMO 23:19 dcook The site is actually pretty good about that, it seems. Several links back to the community and explicit mention that it's open source and belongs to the community ;) 23:18 dcook Haha, bag 23:18 bag geeze :P 23:18 bag and stand on one foot and chew gum at the same time 23:16 cait_afk and link back to the community 23:16 jcamins_away dcook: and your site should make it clear that you support the open source Koha software and not something else, ideally. 23:13 dcook Sounds good. Thanks, rangi 23:12 drojf heh 23:11 rangi include as much info as you can, best if you can send a couple of urls to show you have actually done a koha install :) 23:11 rangi thats right 23:10 dcook To get listed as a support company, you need to send an email of introduction to the General Koha mailing list? 22:59 bag ha 22:54 dcook Whoa...there is a Koha list & site for francophones? Sweeet 22:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl 22:48 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9104: country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl 22:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #273: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/273/ 22:39 gaetan_B bye ! 22:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #273 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl 22:09 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9104: country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl 22:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #64: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/64/ 22:09 rambutan OK, well rangi++ 22:09 rangi you can see the code there 22:09 rambutan OH 22:09 rambutan oh 22:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9587 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Allow login via mozilla persona - https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/ 22:08 rangi bug 9587 22:08 rangi you have to cehck the assertion handed back, and if it is valid create a session for them in koha 22:08 wahanui what's up, bgkriegel 22:08 bgkriegel Hello 22:08 rambutan that's like, "N" "O" no? 22:08 rangi no 22:07 rambutan OK, but independent of the patch, it seems like just putting the code on the base page of the OPAC should work, right? 22:06 cait_afk rambutan: rangi did it already - there is a patch waiting for qa I think 22:05 rambutan so it looks like to implement Mozilla persona on a koha web site (OPAC) it's simply a matter of putting the js code on the base page? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Persona/Quick_Setup 22:00 rangi koya uni should document what they do and/or hire someone to support for them 21:51 wizzyrea when did we turn into apple? 21:49 cjh heh 21:37 cait_afk lol 21:37 drojf maybe we can convince people that places are limited. and they have to sleep in a tent for three days waiting at the entrance to get a mentor job 21:36 drojf and suddenly everybody wants to be a mentor 21:36 drojf no, you are one of the enthusiastic flagships of volunteering that will attract others 21:35 jcamins_away So I'm almost like a negative volunteer, since my participation requires an additional person be involved. 21:35 drojf what body part mentor does that make you? :D 21:35 jcamins_away drojf: but if you're counting me as a mentor, you have to find someone else to be the head mentor. 21:34 drojf cool 21:34 drojf ok so that is rangi, gmcharlt and jcamins_away volunteering. 21:34 jcamins_away Good night, #koha. 21:34 * jcamins_away leaves as well. 21:33 oleonard See you later #koha 21:33 jcamins_away But I'd help out with the "getting started with developing Koha," since I do that a lot. 21:32 * jcamins_away would probaby not be a good "official" mentor. 21:32 jcamins_away Heh. 21:32 rangi hehe 21:32 rangi sounds like volunteering to me 21:32 jcamins_away Oh, I thought he said he _had_ coordinated. 21:32 drojf lol 21:31 rangi i think gmcharlt volunteered to coordinate 21:31 * jcamins_away doesn't particularly agree with slef's position, but is not volunteering to coordinate. 21:30 rangi ive done gsoc mentoring before, it does take a lot of time but if there was more than me id try again 21:29 rangi hmm 1 no, and a lot of silence 21:28 drojf i think the vote for GSoC is "no" 21:26 rangi :) 21:25 Dyrcona oleonard++ # if a bit late. :p 21:24 rangi hehe 21:23 jcamins_away :) 21:23 jcamins_away rangi: so I guess what you're saying is that my hinting was not too subtle to be understood as "not me"? 21:23 * rangi was hinting he wanted someone else to sign koha up so he didnt have to :) 21:22 Dyrcona rangi: I saw it in there, too, but after you mentioned it in channel 21:22 * jcamins_away thinks that signing Koha up to openhatch is a great idea, and looks forward to the appearance of new developers. 21:22 rangi ahh well i only spotted that from oleonards link :) 21:21 Dyrcona I'm asking the Evergreen community on g+ what they think of signing up to openhatch. 21:21 rangi huh? 21:21 Dyrcona rangi++ 21:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #64 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:19 * wizzyrea sees openhatch and is reminded of feeding babies 21:19 rangi who wants to sign koha up to that? 21:19 rangi http://openhatch.org/ 21:15 oleonard Some nice Open Source advocacy: http://weblog.bocoup.com/bring-out-your-bugs/ 21:09 kathryn you're a kohaface 21:09 cjh hahaha koha facebook login 21:00 bag hi 21:00 bag I'm around 21:00 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <bag> that doesn't change the mapping - but you are correct - you should not change the mapping (it's still hardcoded in some places - like the indexing files) 21:00 rambutan @seen bag 20:48 wizzyrea oh god not a facebook login. 20:48 jcamins_away lol 20:48 rangi for now i just hope persona has staved off any idea to do a login with facebook or something mad :-) 20:48 rangi but yep i hope that eventually persona is the default (or somethign like it) and local passwords the exception 20:46 rangi hence the shift to bcrypt :) 20:45 jcamins_away What I'm saying is if you want to be serious about security, use something designed by security experts. 20:45 wizzyrea :) 20:45 wizzyrea i'm just reiterating. 20:45 jcamins_away I was not suggesting that we eliminate passwords. 20:45 wizzyrea you really can't assume ane mail address. 20:45 wizzyrea right, not everyone has an email, especially in public libraries 20:44 rangi oh i didnt think you had 20:43 cait_afk I didn't intend to say it wasn't - it's a really good thing 20:43 rangi but there's no reason we can't make it tidy up old ones when it sees them 20:43 cait_afk it's agood start :) 20:43 rangi which is a good start 20:43 rangi for now, it is only new passwords, and ones that people change 20:43 jcamins_away Nice! 20:42 rangi so at least people using them, will get their passwords tidied up 20:42 rangi so the followup ill do is whenever someone logs in, it reencodes their password into bcrypt 20:42 jcamins_away Ah. 20:41 rangi yes but the time taken is feasible enough to make it worth while now 20:41 jcamins_away rangi: hasn't that been possible for a long time? 20:41 rangi so on login 20:41 rangi ill do a followup 20:41 rangi no but when its accepted 20:41 cait_afk reset 20:41 cait_afk sadly we still cant force them to rset 20:41 cait_afk ew 20:41 rangi and i bet 90% of ppl have short passwords :) 20:40 rangi (its totally feasible to brute force md5 for 8 or less chars now) 20:40 rangi the patch from srikanth will make them a lot more secure 20:40 rangi speaking of passwords 20:40 cait_afk and not everyone can run their own persona server 20:39 jcamins_away I'm not suggesting we eliminate the passwords. 20:39 jcamins_away True. 20:39 rangi not everyone has an email 20:39 rangi but that is at least necessary for the time being 20:39 jcamins_away With the existence of Mozilla Persona, I would argue that having Koha manage logins is a bad idea. 20:38 rangi sending passwords in the clear is always always always a bad idea 20:38 cait_afk yep 20:38 gaetan_B it seems it is :) 20:38 gaetan_B anyway, i was just wondering if it was normal that Koha doesn't send the email if you let it autofill the userid and password 20:37 gaetan_B the library can always modify the message to say patrons should log-on and modify their password now they have an account 20:37 jcamins_away cait_afk: I see no use for the e-mail at all, so I don't care either way. 20:37 cait_afk yeah, I can understand why people want it - but I would like it better as a one time password they have to change maybe :) but that's just me apparently :) 20:37 gaetan_B i thought of it as a way of initializing the account 20:36 cait_afk and we don't force people to change their passwords 20:36 gaetan_B i thought it was a neat way to inform the patron of is userid and password without having the librarian typing them in the system 20:36 cait_afk gaetan_B: yeah, I don't like it because I think sending paswords plain text is not nice 20:36 gaetan_B actuallly cait_afk i'm ok with how it works now, except for the fact it doesn't seem to send emails if you haven't filled the userid and password fields, which Koha then fill up automatically 20:36 cait_afk jcamins_away: yep, that's the functionality part, but there is always a different story to things beside the technical details :) 20:35 jcamins_away I don't have it on, and it doesn't do anything, just the way I want it. 20:35 cait_afk not in a bug kind of way :) 20:35 * jcamins_away does not see any problem with it. 20:35 cait_afk I do :) just telling gaetan_B that this feature is not ideal 20:34 jcamins_away So, leave it disabled. 20:34 cait_afk morning rangi 20:34 rangi excellent, that is how it should be 20:34 cait_afk but when you do goes out to all new patrons, regardless of category 20:34 cait_afk you have to activate it - it's off by default 20:34 cait_afk yep 20:34 rangi morning 20:32 jcamins_away I think you can disable it. 20:32 jcamins_away Borrower details e-mail? 20:32 cait_afk it's a dangerous feature anyway :( 20:32 cait_afk you can't resend it later with the password change functionality or something like that 20:31 cait_afk in my tests it only worked for new borrowers - filling in all data in the big formI think 20:29 gaetan_B it seems koha only sends the account details email when you have manually filled the userid and password for a new borrower, am i wrong ? 20:04 jcamins_away wizzyrea++ 20:03 drojf no, you can't 20:03 cait_afk can't give up now, can I? 20:03 cait_afk send in 5 out of 6 I had to send in :) 20:03 cait_afk no, that's waht I know, - so close now! 20:03 drojf i had dinner and now i am tired and lazy and hang around here 20:02 drojf ha. that's what you think 20:02 cait_afk i am having dinner... back to study? after that 20:02 * cait_afk waves 20:02 cait_afk heh 19:57 oleonard I'll bet wizzyrea knows all about configuring servers for smart caching of static resources 19:57 drojf it was meant for me actually 19:57 drojf sorry :) 19:56 oleonard drojf: Don't interrupt cait_afk when she's telling me how smart I am! :P 19:56 drojf why am i always to weak to hit shift for the '?'? 19:56 * wizzyrea waves 19:55 wahanui Go back to your books! 19:55 drojf study? 19:55 drojf studyß 19:54 cait_afk or something like that :) 19:54 cait_afk you are pretty smart - but maybe someone with a different area of expertise 19:54 cait_afk :) 19:50 oleonard I ask politely that someone smarter than me do so :) 19:50 oleonard except I'm not, because I stopped 19:49 oleonard server configuration options to improve caching of static resources 19:49 cait_afk oleonard: which things are you looking at? 19:49 * jcamins_away hasn't used data from ezcat or atriuum, but I've seen it. 19:48 Dyrcona jcamins_away: So you've that kind of damage before, then? 19:47 jcamins_away Dyrcona: ezcat or atriuum, I think. 19:45 Dyrcona I don't know what ILS they come from originally, but I know it was proprietary. 19:45 * oleonard should stop poking his nose into things he doesn't understand... 19:45 Dyrcona :) 19:45 jcamins_away True. 19:45 cait_afk Dyrcona: at least you got indicators :P 19:44 oleonard I see we do have 'ExpiresDefault "access plus 1 year"' for the koha-tmpl directory 19:37 Dyrcona jcamins_away: Fortunately, I'm not the one dealing with it directly but offering advice to the sucker^Wadministrator over IRC. 19:36 jcamins_away Dyrcona: fun indeed. 19:36 jcamins_away oleonard: we could probably improve our Apache/nginx configuration. 19:35 oleonard Is there more we could do to optimize caching of Koha resources which don't change, like images, css, js? 19:24 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. 19:24 Dyrcona @later tell jcamins_away Fun with legacy data: http://pastebin.com/2LWwCjLS 18:51 cait_afk nice have fun :) 18:51 tcohen cait_afk: i'll fill a bug on this as soon as i get home, i promise patch for tomorrow, tennis session ahead 18:51 tcohen bye #koha 18:48 tcohen exactly 18:47 cait_afk and not very friendly about translations on top of everything. 18:47 cait_afk soem of the guided reports code is .... 18:47 cait_afk yeah, probably older code 18:47 cait_afk ah 18:42 tcohen that's all 18:42 tcohen too much code on the .pl and no .pm for this specific functionality 18:39 cait_afk scare the qam and then nevermind :P 18:36 tcohen nevermind 18:35 cait_afk hm? 18:35 tcohen cait_afk: i hate it when I find this kind of code inside Koha's source... 18:32 tcohen lol 18:31 * cait_afk goes back to her books with a loud sigh 18:31 cait_afk ah not only you 18:31 tcohen I have focus problems 18:31 cait_afk huh? :) 18:31 tcohen bien chbien hce 18:30 * jcamins_away leaves. 18:30 jcamins_away Exactly. 18:30 cait_afk i was thinking it miht be easier to understand for people who are not so technical 18:28 tcohen yeah, me tooo, its cleaner, right? 18:28 jcamins_away I like cait_afk's suggestion. 18:27 tcohen second, provide a way to make it harder to misspell them 18:27 tcohen first, replace every occurence of a variable for the same value (as you suggest) 18:27 cait_afk so this is different to our current runtime parameters? 18:27 cait_afk not sure I understand how that would work. hm. 18:26 tcohen (in the code) 18:26 tcohen cait_afk: i was thinking of a small form for creating variables for SQL and a + button to insert them 18:26 cait_afk so if you have <<Library|branches>> and a bit further down the same again, show only one field in Koha and replace twice 18:25 cait_afk for placeholders with the same name, replace them not only once, but every time they occur in the sql 18:25 cait_afk or maybe even easier 18:24 cait_afk tcohen: if we worry about that... maybe it could be a 'koha syntax' that just adds the variable at the right places in the sql? 18:22 tcohen #koha? 18:18 tcohen jcamins_away: is SET @val = XX ; "too mysqlish"? 17:36 cait_afk :) 17:08 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #233 added. 17:08 gmcharlt @quote add <oleonard> How about "Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" 17:08 jcamins Hehe. 17:08 oleonard How about "Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" 17:07 gmcharlt but it clearly needs to stick around so that she can be properly embarassed the first time she joins #koha ;) 17:06 oleonard Well that's out of date now 17:06 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #60: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." (added by gmcharlt at 05:31 PM, February 19, 2010) 17:06 gmcharlt @quote random 16:58 cait_afk *grump* 16:54 wahanui Go back to your books! 16:54 cait_afk study? 16:54 cait_afk well... 4 of my 6 assignments are done... 16:53 cait_afk heh as long as it works :) 16:53 oleonard By neglecting everything around me usually ;) 16:53 cait_afk I don't know how you do it - getting so much done, but very glad you can :) 16:52 cait_afk oleonard++ 16:46 oleonard rambutan: So I shouldn't use WebKit as the rendering engine for the standalone Windows Koha client I've been developing in secret? 16:39 rambutan fwiw : http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57569342-93/javascript-expert-webkit-get-your-bug-ridden-house-in-order/ 16:21 jcamins Makes sense to me. 16:21 tcohen we could have a small form for adding variables, right? 16:20 tcohen for SQL reports it doesnt sound difficult 16:18 jcamins I was going to be very impressed that our reports interface was sufficiently intelligent to allow for variables. 16:18 jcamins Oh. 16:18 tcohen (sorry) 16:17 tcohen (in mysql, didn't check on the reports) 16:17 jcamins Really? Cool! 16:17 tcohen it does :-D 16:16 jcamins I don't think that works. 16:16 tcohen are we allowed to do things like SET @var = 2012; within reports? 16:13 jcamins Yeah, that would definitely make sense. 16:12 tcohen i think there should :-P 16:11 jcamins I don't think there is. 16:11 tcohen hi, is there a way to create an SQL report with a user provided value that is used several times? 16:03 reiveune bye 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Work on Bootstrap for Koha 15:46 oleonard Bug 9420 15:46 * oleonard cheers! 15:31 oleonard :) 15:31 drojf yeah. right :P 15:29 * oleonard hopes the tscpl.org folks at least see our no-cookie visits in their logs to make them think 15:26 drojf oleonard: i assume it is because google analytics needs js. why would you offer free content to people you cannot track? 15:25 drojf lol 15:24 oleonard Why would you create a whole new version of delicious.com which shows a blank page if you have JS disabled? 15:24 drojf true 15:24 magnuse saves you from reading more long books, in fact 15:24 drojf geniuses 15:24 magnuse yup 15:24 drojf too 15:24 drojf aaaah. right! that explains it, magnuse. and not seeing the opac saves me time to 15:23 drojf i get to see the opac for a second and then i get an error 15:23 magnuse hey, they published a short book, so you don't have to read a long one, which will save you time and time is, as we all know, money. makes perfect sense! 15:23 drojf i have no idea. inferior library system? http://catalog.tscpl.org 15:22 jcamins I can see not allowing logins, but not displaying? 15:22 jcamins Why wouldn't you display an OPAC to people with cookies disabled? 15:20 jcamins Huh? 15:18 drojf because that is what they do 15:18 drojf i hope they have a page or two about "how to make friends by not displaying your opac to people that have cookies disabled" 15:15 drojf i nominate this the most useless book of the day 15:14 drojf yes, we need a lot of that 15:14 drojf Tips for using rotating banner ads to draw attention to website content, a technique which brought in 3,000+ page views for a post about the new library catalog 15:12 Dyrcona oleonard: Only $34 for the ebook! What a bargain! :p 15:08 oleonard How could this book possibly be worth $1/page? http://www.alastore.ala.org/detail.aspx?ID=4019 15:08 wahanui Go back to your books! 15:08 cait study? 15:08 cait study is <reply> Go back to \your books! 15:08 wahanui i haven't a clue, oleonard 15:08 oleonard wahanui: It's always about you isn't it? 15:08 wahanui cait: I forgot study 15:08 cait forget study 15:08 cait um. 15:08 wahanui Go back to wahanui's books! 15:08 cait study? 15:08 cait study is <reply> Go back to your books! 15:07 wahanui kf should be writing slides 15:07 cait slides? 15:07 mtj i'll see if i can add some extra ids to existing elements 15:04 mtj well, thats a good alternative idea, thanks 15:03 oleonard mtj: If the addition of a couple of small comments to your system prefs is too onerous, perhaps you could look at different ways of enhancing the existing markup to provide the hooks you need 15:01 cait :) 15:01 mtj and, its not weird - its *useful* 15:00 mtj if its a useful patch, the increase in size is worth it 14:59 cait even yes, tiny little bit 14:59 cait only blowing up the html 14:59 cait having something around without content seems weird tome :) 14:59 mtj meh, its a pretty brittle/unsatisfing solultion to me 14:59 cait I think I am with oleonard 14:57 oleonard I liked cait's suggestion of a comment if you're unable to put meaningful content there for non-js users. 14:56 oleonard Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it never happens. But it seems like there are better ways to solve your particular problem. 14:56 oleonard Sometimes there is something in OpacMainUserBlock, sometimes there isn't. 14:56 oleonard mtj: Consider an OPAC where the content changes, but the CSS is static. 14:55 mtj A custom background or border for OpacMainUserBlock content… that doesnt exist?! 14:54 oleonard It doesn't to me. A custom background or border for OpacMainUserBlock content? 14:53 mtj hmm, that seems pretty unlikely?! 14:52 oleonard The problem is that we don't know how others have customized those areas. It could be that folks have applied a style to those areas which would show even with no content (background color, border, etc) 14:50 mtj so, with the exeption of OpacNav, *would* my patch be a problem? 14:49 magnuse that will look cool for users without javascript enabled ;-) 14:49 cait well with <!-- 14:49 cait mtj: what about <-- some other information goes here -->? 14:49 mtj … not sure how 'meaningful' that is to the client 14:49 oleonard By meaningful I mean, meaningful to someone who might visit the page with javascript disabled for instance 14:48 mtj welll, ive currently got … div style="display: none;">DONT DELETE ME!!!!</div> 14:47 mtj yeah, i've noticed that one is a uniq problem 14:47 oleonard mtj, is there not some kind of meaningful placeholder text you can enter? 14:47 mtj … to get it to 'appear' on the page, so i can insert new content into it, etc 14:47 oleonard In the case of OpacNav, the whole column isn't displayed if there is no content. Not sure how you'd accommodate those who really didn't want anything there 14:46 mtj im doing some opac customising with jquery atm - and as a work-around, im having to paste <hidden> stuff, into each syspref 14:45 mtj because people would find those divs/spans very useful for jquery manipulation… if they existed 14:43 mtj like OpacMainUserBlock and OpacNav, etc... 14:43 oleonard Why? 14:42 mtj .. its basically a patch to force the creation of customised opac divs, *even* if the syspref contains no content 14:42 * oleonard checks the clock, wonders if mtj needs a glass of warm milk or a bottle of Nyquil 14:41 mtj hey, while you are about… i have another idea that have been meaning to ask you about… 14:40 mtj aaah, too easy :) 14:40 oleonard <img src="path/to/amazon/ ISBN from Koha"> 14:40 oleonard They're all HTTP 14:40 oleonard Amazon cover images don't rely on the API 14:39 mtj and… i cant see how amazon cover-images would still work after the patch?! 14:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove usage of Amazon API 14:39 mtj im just looking at this old bug 8679 14:38 oleonard yes 14:38 mtj hey oleonard, about? 14:03 drojf [off] slef: ouch :( i have no desires in particular, i thought they are up already and it's just me who cannot find them. no pressure from my side then, it's done when it's done 13:43 slef [off] drojf: we suffered some data loss last summer, we need to recover videos from backups, needs worker time we just can't pay for right now, but I will take requests for which videos to do first. 13:42 wahanui salut, slef 13:42 slef hi 13:16 oleonard Hi #koha 13:11 * magnuse neither 12:54 * drojf can't reproduce paul_p's problem with the paid support page 12:02 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "Découvrez le service Biblio+ pour enrichir l'OPAC de Koha : http://t.co/qpWDwjHf #koha #kohails #sudoc" 10:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9583 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium 10:46 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Revert "test" 10:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9583 - OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium 10:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #272: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/272/ 10:39 drojf heh. scared off by the bot 10:25 alohabot Hi mib_a92qkg, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 10:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #272 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9583 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium 10:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl 10:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9380 critical, P1 - high, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , branch not recording right on writeoff 10:09 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9583 - OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium 10:09 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9222: manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl 10:09 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9380 - branch not recording right on writeoff 10:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #63: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/63/ 09:48 drojf :) 09:46 mtj <script type="text/JavaScript" src="/mystuff/getScript2.js"></script> 09:46 mtj i cheated and just loaded it inline 09:45 mtj ok , got it... :) 09:45 mtj . 09:39 mtj all pretty trivial stuff… thats just not quite working, atm :/ 09:39 mtj .. and have another .js file call that function() in that other file 09:38 mtj btu, what im stuck on is, i cant work out how to move my new getScript2 function into a new file.js 09:37 mtj yeah, the good news is… the fix is working for me 09:29 drojf that's an interesting problem 09:29 mtj … and this too -> http://techmonks.net/getscript-and-firebug-code/ 09:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl 09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9502 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9 09:28 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9222: manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl 09:28 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9502 - famfamfam wronly linked in 3.8.x 09:28 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: test 09:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #271: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/271/ 09:28 mtj its basically this problem, for the curious… -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/690781/debugging-scripts-added-via-jquery-getscript-function 09:25 drojf not a direct answer to your question, but newer firefoxes have some fancy web developer stuff too, maybe it shows in there? 09:18 mtj .. but is successfully being executed by my browser 09:18 mtj i'm trying to add breakpoints, and step thru a .js file… that wont show in my debugger 09:17 drojf mtj: you want them to show, but they don't, not the other way round? 09:16 cait what are you trying to do? 09:16 cait ? 09:15 mtj ...surely some other poor soul has hit this problem? 09:14 mtj on locally pathed files, to force them to be loaded as absolute urls - so they show in firebug/chrome's debugger 09:12 mtj the solution seems to be… use a hacked version of jQuery.getScript()? 09:11 mtj has anyone bumped into a problem/solution for loading js files… and not being able to see/debug them, in firebug? 09:10 mtj ok, heres a random jscript/jquery Q…. 09:04 cait hm? 09:03 drojf cait++ 09:03 drojf hei magnuse 09:02 magnuse moin drojf 08:56 rangi hi sophie_m 08:55 sophie_m hello #koha 08:55 sophie_m mtj: yes, only Paul is in India 08:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #271 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:50 mtj [off] kados spearheading it :p 08:49 rangi [off] kados driving it 08:49 mtj wow, i wonder what the story is behind that photo - some kids joy-riding the vehicle? 08:47 mtj note to self, never drink on the job 08:47 magnuse tee hee 08:46 magnuse mtj: yup, think so 08:46 wahanui https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7044751872/hE32ABD60/ 08:46 rangi C4::Search? 08:46 rangi oh mtj you'll enjoy this 08:46 mtj which biblibrians are in India… just paul.p? 08:45 reiveune salut mtj 08:45 magnuse kia ora mtj 08:45 francharb 0/ mtj 08:45 cait hi mtj :) 08:44 mtj bonjour francharb, magnuse, reiveune, asaurat, gaetan_B, cait 08:09 gaetan_B hello 08:06 cait hi asaurat :) 08:02 wahanui salut, asaurat 08:02 asaurat hi 07:47 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:47 reiveune hello 07:35 magnuse staying in, i mean 07:34 magnuse ooh, good idea! 07:34 cait ok, have to study... so yeah, you are right 07:34 cait so not that poor 07:34 cait staying in my warm home today 07:34 magnuse poor cait 07:32 magnuse wow! 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -6.3°C (8:30 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 07:32 magnuse @wunder konstanz 07:32 magnuse ;-) 07:32 magnuse hah! 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 07:32 magnuse @wunder boo 07:32 magnuse freezing! 07:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:31 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:31 magnuse bonjour alex_a_ 07:30 alex_a_ hello 07:29 * magnuse waves 06:47 * francharb waves 06:45 dcook Salut paul_p, et bon soir, #koha 06:04 rangi perhaps not the best lullaby to show my kids before be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc20vMz0V7Q 05:59 wahanui bbiab is Be Back In A Bit 05:59 mtj bbiab... 05:54 dcook Stats! Stats! 05:53 mtj oooh, thats a good idea 05:42 rangi the packages are just served by a webserver, so we will have access logs for them 05:42 rangi i have stats for the tarballs 05:42 rangi we should run stats on teh package downloads 04:04 * jcamins_away is leaving as well, actually. 04:04 dcook Alas, I'm not sure that I follow your XSLT, but...gotta go 04:04 dcook Eeep, jcamins_away 04:04 dcook later, wizzyrea 04:03 jcamins_away Whoops. 04:03 * jcamins_away has successfully erased the record while trying to save it. 04:03 dcook Glad to know I'm not the only North American down here :p 04:03 dcook Ahh, I thought that you were in NZ 04:03 wizzyrea later peeps :) 04:03 wizzyrea ok I'm outtie 04:02 wizzyrea well now it's proper :P 04:01 jcamins_away And disregard the <textarea> tags, that just seemed like the simplest way to stick them inline. 04:00 jcamins_away The weird PHP is just the xml declaration. 04:00 jcamins_away ^^ the XSLT 04:00 jcamins_away http://paste.koha-community.org/393 04:00 jcamins_away dcook: so I don't have to use TinyMCE's sharply limited XML support. 04:00 * dcook still has a few websites from the past to change/remove 03:59 dcook Damned personal identity management, eh? 03:59 wizzyrea oh, I should change linkedin 03:59 dcook ...why? 03:59 dcook Excellent, jcamins_away! 03:58 jcamins_away Ha! I have stylesheets to HTMLize and deHTMLize my records! 03:58 wizzyrea ohhh 03:57 dcook Check your inbox :p 03:57 dcook LinkedIn and then the comment above about Kansas 03:55 * wizzyrea wonders where you got kansas from 03:55 wizzyrea haha! 03:54 dcook I still go by Canadian Librarian. I figure I can keep the adjective so long as I keep my accent :p 03:54 wizzyrea anymore :) 03:54 dcook Crafty 03:54 * wizzyrea is actually not 03:54 dcook I didn't realize that you were actually in Kansas 03:52 dcook I'm going to go with the many other fine qualities, and firm yet supple tight embrace. 03:52 wizzyrea or huge... tracts of land. 03:51 wizzyrea i am sure that she has many fine qualities 03:51 * wizzyrea resists the urge to suggest you dump her 03:51 dcook O_o 03:50 wizzyrea evar 03:50 dcook She also wasn't a fan of the "Future koha developer" onesie. I don't know about her.. 03:50 wizzyrea also koha-mysql = best idea 03:50 dcook Shot down both times 03:50 dcook Mmm, that's another one I proposed 03:50 wizzyrea follow different people is the solution I ahve 03:49 dcook I just tell her to stop going on Instagram 03:49 dcook My partner has a pet peeve about that, which I hear about every few weeks :p 03:49 dcook Now it is funny that you mention that 03:49 wizzyrea strange internet thing. 03:49 dcook lol 03:49 wizzyrea what is the deal with girls taking pictures of their fingernails. 03:48 dcook Mmm, true enough 03:48 wizzyrea http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a06/ai/od/mix-colors-make-cornflower-blue-800x800.jpg that's closer 03:47 wizzyrea that is not at all the color I would call "cornflower" 03:47 wizzyrea http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Bachelor%27s_button,_Basket_flower,_Boutonniere_flower,_Cornflower_-_3.jpg 03:46 wizzyrea no not THAT shade of cornflower. 03:46 wizzyrea it was the color I was trying to think of earlier 03:46 wizzyrea funny you should say cornflower 03:46 dcook Does the icon come in cornflower blue? 03:45 dcook Pretty much, eh? 03:45 wizzyrea just a laser focus on your micro problems, instead of the macro focus you get otherwise 03:45 dcook I was just about to write that, haha 03:45 wizzyrea it's not so much different, heh. 03:44 dcook I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be a dedicated systems person in a single branch library or even for just one library system 03:44 dcook [off] I have almost the exact same problem atm 03:43 dcook Hehe 03:26 wizzyrea what? why?! 03:26 wizzyrea "III is broken. Can you make Koha do it like III did?" 03:25 wizzyrea that is like, life as a koha developer. 03:25 * dcook shudders at cartoon 03:24 dcook Ohhh, I like that idea, mtj 03:22 wizzyrea hehehehehe 03:21 mtj … after my space-bar cools down 03:20 mtj nice, i'll test it later tonite 03:17 wizzyrea ^^^ really really important 03:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt 03:16 wizzyrea yuss bug 9611 03:12 mtj one day…. ! 03:12 mtj lol 03:10 wizzyrea yep, I know :) 03:10 mtj liz, ive always dreamt of a 'submit info to kc.org' feature, for koha 03:10 wizzyrea I just wanted to laugh at that cartoon again. 03:10 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 03:10 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 03:09 wizzyrea @quote get 123 03:08 wizzyrea so it would probably be self reporting 03:08 wizzyrea can we? 03:08 wizzyrea installs* 03:08 wizzyrea and we can't really track git clones or package installes 03:07 wizzyrea when someone downloads koha it's probably once, maybe twice 03:07 mtj i think the dot is sposed to be center of each country 03:07 wizzyrea well because a person could download OO for multiple computers 03:07 cjh we can scale a bit :P 03:07 wizzyrea of course our downloads are nowhere near that 03:06 wizzyrea the idea, i like 03:06 wizzyrea but yes 03:06 wizzyrea hm that is odd. strange. 03:06 wizzyrea that must be what eythian is saying. 03:06 wizzyrea and what's with the kansas-area huge US dot. or is that just "from the US" 03:06 mtj wizzyrea++ awesome idea 03:05 eythian I like how it considers Dunedin to be the centre of NZ 03:00 jcamins_away I want to convert the first bit into the second bit: http://paste.koha-community.org/392 03:00 wizzyrea ya think? 02:59 jcamins_away Blurgh. Sometimes XSLT is a real nightmare. 02:57 wizzyrea http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/21_million_per_day we should do something like this koha vs sirsi 01:50 mtj ^^ yeah, what she said… :p 01:44 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "Check out libraries working together for open source #kohails DOM indexing enhancement http://t.co/aenonTps" 01:37 mtj bywater++ equinox++ 01:36 mtj wow , just spotted this -> http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/02/02/six-libraries-partner-to-bring-dom-biblio-indexing-to-koha/ 01:13 dcook hehe 01:13 Dyrcona :) 00:59 cjh lol 00:57 wizzyrea omg. 00:56 wahanui https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7044751872/hE32ABD60/ 00:56 rangi C4::Search? 00:09 eythian oh right 00:09 wahanui ...but cory doctorow is not a real Doctor.... 00:09 eythian wahanui: cory doctorow is not a real doctor.