Time Nick Message 23:17 Dyrcona Somebody needs to teach wahanui to parse Maori. 23:17 Dyrcona Kia ora! 23:16 drojf so, openstreetmap routing can show me the way using public transportation, but it does not tell me which parts of the route is by what? that is… special? 23:13 wahanui hello, bgkriegel 23:13 bgkriegel Hello 23:06 wizzyrea that's fun acutally. 23:06 drojf heh 23:06 wizzyrea ohhhh! 23:04 eythian http://mrcoles.com/demo/markdown-css/ <-- neat 23:03 drojf ah right, i forgot about tex version numbering. all cool stuff is done already :/ 23:01 maximep haha 23:00 cjh we never made it to 'free lesson off with fish and chips' :( 22:59 maximep weird teacher :S 22:59 eythian some other part of the TeX system asymtotes version numbers to /e/. 22:59 cjh s/as/in/; # ... 22:58 cjh in my stats class as high school if anyone in the class could memorize enough of it the whole class would get treats, the more they memorized the better the treats. 22:58 maximep :S 22:58 maximep no idea why I ever lost time learning those digits 3.14159265358979 22:57 cjh that is awesome 22:56 eythian The current version of TeX is 3.1415926 22:56 wizzyrea i'm going to go back and hide now. 22:56 wizzyrea curses. 22:55 wizzyrea NO 22:55 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Transport Cost Matrix in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/nNMCkAt1" 22:55 drojf that would actually be a naming scheme that easily beats the fork. we will only continue with more digits of pi. and never reach v4.0 22:55 wizzyrea actually ignore me. 22:55 * eythian takes back your geek card. 22:55 wizzyrea .79, I mean 22:55 wizzyrea 3.14.15.9, for example 22:54 drojf wizzyrea: we need a lot of cool sub-versions ;) 22:54 * wizzyrea notes the next version of koha is 3.14 22:54 datadoctor Maybe a built-in XSLT editor? 22:50 datadoctor It's a fun read. May we all someday have a supercomputer in our living room...running Koha! 22:49 datadoctor Here's the article on the Chudnovsky brothers, called "Mountains of Pi" http://www.davidabrahamson.com/WWW/IALJS/Preston_TheMountainsofPi_NYer_2Mar92.pdf 22:48 datadoctor <chuckles> yes, in my alphabet h comes before f! 22:46 drojf datadoctor: your alphabet is different from mine :) 22:45 datadoctor I read a great article on the Chudnovsky brothers - they built a supercomputer in their NY apartment to calculate the digits of pi. 22:44 datadoctor nice 22:44 wahanui datadoctor: somebody was calculating pi on the server 22:44 datadoctor excuse me a,b,h,f,g,k,n,p,s - I guess that's alphabetical. 22:43 datadoctor For the bolded title and subtitle (Marc subfield 245) that order appears to be b,h,f,g,k,n,p,s 22:43 * dcook would like to play around a bit more with xslt 22:42 dcook Makes sense 22:42 dcook I've used the same mechanism to add in other fields as well, but I've had to add in the code in the Perl script to achieve the desired effect 22:42 datadoctor They all show up in the results, but the xslt block orders them a certain way by default. 22:41 dcook True, which is handy 22:41 datadoctor However you can map multiple MARC subfields to the subtitle field name. 22:41 dcook Although also having an enhancement where the MARC Bibliographic Frameworks actually fully work would also be good... 22:41 datadoctor Yes, it only works with the keyword mapping field name set to subtitle. 22:41 dcook Actually, I was thinking of making an enhancement where the Keywords to MARC Mapping would work without having to change code on the backend... 22:40 dcook Hehe. Good point. 22:40 drojf dcook: nevermind. it's working, let's not question anything :) 22:39 drojf excellent :) 22:39 datadoctor My colleague Jorge pointed out the xsl code to edit, and I was able to swap the order of the subtitle fields in the item detail and search results. Tech Services will be very pleased! 22:38 dcook Wait...I think I missed part of the conversation that might make the confusion more clear :p 22:38 dcook drojf: As far as I know, the Keywords to MARC Mapping only works with subtitle by default 22:32 drojf now i'm even more confused :) 22:32 drojf if he was 22:32 drojf how did that apply then if was using xslt? 22:32 drojf 4.3. Keywords to MARC Mapping: This tool only effects sites that are not using the XSLT Stylesheets. 22:25 drojf ah, the other mapping. sorry i got confused 22:25 datadoctor ^-^ 22:23 rangi https://soundcloud.com/lordemusic/sets/the-love-club/ <-- 17 year old kid with a computer somewhere in nz 22:22 datadoctor Thanks for your collective help on this project, I will start on it again in the morning. Here's some music for your work. This has been powering me today: http://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=tame+impala+lonerism 22:20 datadoctor Editing the xslt is easier said than done...thinking it is time to head home...zzzzzzzzzz 22:13 datadoctor And item details. 22:12 datadoctor Although those may be visible elsewhere, it makes it easier for Reference if they come up in the staff side search results. 22:12 wizzyrea yep, that's pretty common 22:12 datadoctor We add the medium, for example [DVD] and the part number, for example [DISC 5] 22:11 bag that doesn't change the mapping - but you are correct - you should not change the mapping (it's still hardcoded in some places - like the indexing files) 22:11 datadoctor In the search results and the item details, there is a subtitle field available for items. Keyword mapping allows one to add additional MARC fields to the subtitle. 22:10 bag Keywords to MARC mapping 22:10 drojf and you have more options with the xslt files of course. you can basically change everything, formatting and stuff 22:10 bag drojf: not mapping - keyword 22:09 datadoctor I didn 22:09 datadoctor That does make sense. 22:09 drojf bag: when i started with koha i was told not to touch the mapping if possible, so i sticked to that. but you are probably right 22:07 bag drojf: I think both methods would work - either custom XSLT or keyword to mapping 22:06 drojf you have xslt files for result lists and single record display. both for opac and staff client, so that makes four files. you can change them all to your liking. whatever field orders you change in on of the files will be shown for all records in that view. does that make sense? 22:05 datadoctor Like to put all [DVD] after Season #X. 22:05 drojf what do you mean by globally? 22:04 datadoctor Will that work if I want to make the change globally? 22:01 drojf datadoctor: if you want to change the order in the xslt display, do your own xslt file instead of changing the mapping 22:00 bag night cait 22:00 datadoctor g'nite! 22:00 rangi night 22:00 cait and now I am gone :) night all! 21:59 cait bag++ 21:59 cait and I should even more go to bed :) 21:59 cait arg I should read back 21:58 datadoctor Thanks wahanui! 21:58 datadoctor Hmmm...I tried both methods, and although they reorder in the fieldmapping table, they don't reorder in the xslt block for results. I'll try looking at the schema. 21:58 cait fieldmapping 21:57 wahanui schema is, like, tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 21:57 cait schema? 21:57 cait datadoctor: or just reenter them :P 21:55 wizzyrea sure you can 21:55 datadoctor Tech Services would like the 245h 'subtitle' to list after the 245p 'subtitle' in the item description - I think I can reorder the id's in the fieldmapping to make it work. 21:51 bag :P 21:51 bag awwh shucks 21:51 datadoctor :) 21:51 datadoctor bag++ 21:51 bag eythian++ 21:51 libsysguy gracias 21:50 bag nice thanks eythian 21:50 eythian uploaded 21:50 eythian libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1~oldstable1 | oldstable | i386, amd64, source 21:50 eythian libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1 | squeeze-dev | i386, amd64, source 21:50 eythian libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1~koha1 | squeeze | i386, amd64, source 21:50 eythian $ reprepro ls libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl 21:50 eythian libsysguy: 21:50 datadoctor Yes! Thank you bag 21:50 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/fieldmapping.html yep it is 21:49 bag fieldmapping 21:49 bag sorry typo 21:49 bag datadoctor: is it feildmapping? 21:48 wahanui somebody said schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 21:48 wizzyrea schema? 21:46 datadoctor does anybody know off the top of their head, where keyword to MARC mappings get stored? 21:23 eythian sweet ta 21:23 libsysguy I'll shoot you an email with the package that needs built 21:23 libsysguy excellent 21:22 eythian libsysguy: in that case it'll be a ~15 minute job for me to build and deploy everything :) 21:22 eythian awesome 21:22 libsysguy no weird deps so that wasn't a problem 21:21 libsysguy and built the package 21:21 libsysguy I already ran it through the dh-make-perl script 21:19 eythian also make sure you add it to the kohadependencies.pl file, that way it'll automagically end up in the control file when I rebuild it. 21:18 eythian best bet is to email me the details, I'll make a package for it and put it in the repo. If it has no weird dependencies, it's a fairly quick process 21:18 libsysguy eythian: is there somewhere I can put it so it ends up in Koha Common 21:18 eythian libsysguy: so I saw 21:11 libsysguy heh 21:10 bag sending around packages (HA) is working :P 21:10 libsysguy uh oh, sorry bag I'll get back to work :p 21:09 bag heh 21:07 libsysguy always oleonard 21:07 oleonard Gotta go. Keep it classy #koha 21:07 libsysguy and drojf I…I got nothing for that one... 21:06 libsysguy well my package is for eythan. I just want to share it 21:06 libsysguy hahahaha 21:06 drojf how many scrollbacks have you seen in your life? 21:06 oleonard libsysguy: If we're making that kind of joke I have a "That's what he said" retort for your package comment ;) 21:04 libsysguy :p 21:04 libsysguy hey oleonard I'll have you know my scrollback is of average length 21:04 libsysguy I have a package for you 21:03 * oleonard suspects libsysguy reads #koha with an unusually short scrollback 21:03 cait lol 21:03 libsysguy eythan!! 21:03 libsysguy oh 21:03 huginn libsysguy: eythian was last seen in #koha 1 minute and 47 seconds ago: <eythian> hi 21:03 libsysguy @seen eythian 21:02 cait hu? 21:01 drojf ho 21:01 eythian hi 20:55 cait got it :) 20:55 cait ooh 20:55 gmcharlt my bad pun on argent-ian :) 20:54 cait ok, what did I miss? :) 20:54 rangi heh 20:52 * gmcharlt celebrates the rise of our new silver-plated Koha developer overlords! 20:50 cait heh 20:47 wizzyrea :) 20:47 rangi argentinian_koha_developers++ 20:47 rangi hmm 20:47 rangi argentian_koha_developers++ 20:05 cait wb :) 20:05 wahanui I hate jetlag. 20:05 bag welcome back 20:03 rangi back 19:41 gmcharlt (aka the use-xml-libxml-reader-cleaner branch of git://git.code.sf.net/p/marcpm/code 19:41 gmcharlt for anybody following along with the record changes in MARC::File::XML, I'd appreciate feedback on https://sourceforge.net/p/marcpm/code/ci/4d1a5eb3aaafe281b05ee10fa8853a16b28275dc/tree/ 19:27 jcamins Well, they never existed at all, but even with imported records I noticed that. 19:27 jcamins mtompset: yeah, they just vanished when I tried to export records. Very weird. 19:26 mtompset "doesn't support indicators in MARC records."?! What the?! 19:26 jcamins [off] Great, now he's going to have to go off and be sick for a while. 19:26 cait [off] I would be interested to hear your opinion on that :) 19:24 gmcharlt [off] *cough* OLE *cough* 19:24 jcamins I figure if someone with a low budget can come up with that bright idea, someone with a high budget could come up with _much_ worse things to do to their staff clients. :) 19:23 rangi bbl 19:23 rangi ok time to take the kids to school 19:23 rangi librarians .. dont become the IT depts of the world :) 19:23 jcamins I don't just mean "oh, it's not very convenient to specify indicators," I mean "THEY FORGOT TO PUT INDICATORS IN THEIR MARC RECORDS!" <-- caps necessary 19:22 rangi if people cant actually find things 19:22 rangi but really, who cares 19:22 jcamins No, but that doesn't mean it's any better designed. 19:22 rangi the staff interface might be super awesome 19:21 rangi well carlx is NOT budget 19:21 jcamins rangi: I highly doubt it. After all, I just discovered that a popular budget ILS doesn't support indicators in MARC records. 19:20 rangi serve us, before the 60 or so librarians 19:20 rangi but really, i dont give a crap about the staff interface as one of the 400k potential users 19:20 rangi probably the librarians can fudgitate the flumorix shiggery on the leader position 12 or something now 19:19 rangi it didnt get better 19:19 rangi hmm actually now its carlx 19:19 rangi carl2 from TLC 19:18 oleonard Wow rangi, that page uses frames! 19:18 rangi cya magnuse 19:18 rangi spending my rates on that ... AWESOME! 19:18 * magnuse wanders off 19:18 rangi the actual opac is no better than the discovery layer 19:17 magnuse jcamins: ok, thanks. hopefully tomorrow! 19:17 rangi http://www.wcl.govt.nz/carlweb/jsp/search_page.jsp 19:17 magnuse oooh, flash... 19:17 jcamins magnuse: I'd be fine with a follow-up. 19:17 oleonard But look how easy it is to search for "thu" and "thi!" 19:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages 19:17 magnuse jcamins: Bug 9250 forgets to add the new commands to the koha-common manpage. should i fail qa and force eythian to do it or would you be ok with me providing a followup on the same bug along with my signoff (hopefully)? 19:17 rangi unless you jump through hoops to find them 19:16 rangi but you'd never know 19:16 rangi 4!!! the the albums 19:16 rangi they have 4 19:16 * cait hides 19:16 rangi http://www.wcl.govt.nz/easyfind/?q=the%20the 19:16 cait not the opac!! 19:16 cait oh please noooo 19:16 rangi ill show you why i never use the wellington city libraries 19:15 * jcamins thinks there is a lesson here for libraries. 19:15 rangi 97 i finished my second degree, it would have been then 19:15 jcamins Heh. 19:15 rangi its been hmm 16 years or so since i did 19:14 rangi hmm apart from books for the kids 19:14 cait ! 19:13 jcamins In a highly unusual turn of events, I _actually took some books out of the library_! 19:11 magnuse cait: :-) 19:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Transport Cost Matrix in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/n4qkHjv9 #kohails" 19:11 cait don't think about pink elephants? 19:11 cait heh 19:08 * magnuse gets a sudden urge to call talljoy 19:02 rangi that's why you have a style guide :) 19:00 libsysguy inconsistent_spacing-- 19:00 libsysguy :'( 18:58 rangi spaces are consistent 18:58 gmcharlt sadly, us 3.5 spacers are never acommodated ;) 18:58 rangi no, thats not how it works in practice, unless you have control over every editors setting on every machine you ever log in to 18:57 * libsysguy is still a young un' 18:57 libsysguy :p 18:57 rangi ahh, you really should have been at the style training 18:57 libsysguy so if your a 2 spacer or an 8 spacer you're happy 18:57 libsysguy well if you commit them as tabs, then you editor can make the decision on how to display them 18:56 libsysguy heh 18:56 rangi that's precisely what is wrong with them :) 18:56 libsysguy then i can define my own widths 18:56 rangi lol 18:56 libsysguy ah yes…i prefer tabs :p 18:55 rangi no, you were complaining about tabs or something 18:54 libsysguy I thought I had that resolved 18:53 libsysguy did I have another patch with whitespace problems? 18:53 rangi talk to eythian about that 18:53 rangi yes 18:53 libsysguy don't we have a repo to koha packages that aren't in the standard debian repo? 18:53 rangi for you 18:53 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~bessarabv/Test-Whitespaces-0.03/lib/Test/Whitespaces.pm 18:52 libsysguy but I had to build the package as well 18:52 libsysguy I need to do that as well 18:52 libsysguy well 18:52 rangi you mean add it as a dependency eh? 18:52 libsysguy ah 18:52 rangi libsysguy: install it, and update apt-file then run the script to update the control file 18:47 gaetan_B bye 18:40 libsysguy mtompset thats what I just did :D 18:40 libsysguy okay…now that I have a package…how do I get it into koha-common 18:40 mtompset Hoping to try to figure out dh-make-perl. :) 18:40 cait hi mtompset, hi rangi 18:40 rangi hi cait 18:40 mtompset Writing a newsletter. 18:39 libsysguy sup mtompset 18:39 mtompset Greetings, libsysguy. 18:38 mtompset Hi, cait! Long time no chat. :) 18:38 * libsysguy waives back 18:38 * cait waves 18:36 libsysguy wow this is exceedingly easy..thank goodness 18:32 libsysguy but I didn't believe them :p 18:32 libsysguy well that is exactly what I read on debian-administration 18:31 libsysguy oh? 18:31 jcamins libsysguy: you just have to use dh-make-perl 18:30 libsysguy module -> http://search.cpan.org/~colinsc/Business-Edifact-Interchange-0.03/lib/Business/Edifact/Interchange.pm 18:30 libsysguy anybody around that could help me package up a cpan module to include in koha-common? 18:28 * jcamins tried to be optimistic. 18:26 rangi source reports 3.8.5 too 18:26 * rangi looks 18:25 jcamins rangi: maybe a typo? 18:24 rangi wrt that tweet 18:24 rangi i hope the security fixes from 3.8.6 were backported 18:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8246 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete 18:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 18:24 wahanui i heard 3.8.5 was on schedule, i really want bug 8251 and bug 8246 18:24 rangi 3.8.5 ?? 18:23 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails February 2013 Upgrade Issues and New Features http://t.co/4mj0yRgz" 18:23 oleonard Wow, nice! 18:22 rangi i have that aliased to git sh 18:22 rangi git show --word-diff=color 18:21 rangi try this 18:20 * mtompset thinks git show rocks. :) 18:19 jcamins Ah! 18:15 rangi git show b09836f252ef4f4119a462fcb023af08cd90629a 18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8614 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Icon for scores on OPAC detail page broken 18:15 rangi bug 8614 18:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , famfamfam should be outside theme directory 18:14 jcamins The last comment was Paul saying he thought it should be kept for 3.10 only, and git log does not show bug 8624 in kc/3.8.x. 18:13 tcohen 95b4f31f 18:13 rangi its pre nov 2012 18:12 jcamins That patch doesn't seem to be in 3.8.x. 18:12 jcamins rangi: what's weird is I can't see when the files got moved. 18:12 rangi cool 18:11 tcohen i did big grep 18:11 rangi the patch only changes marc21 18:11 rangi tcohen: did you check unimarc and normarc too? 18:07 jcamins Sounds good. 18:07 tcohen jcamins, I attached a patch, obsolete it if rangi tells otherthing should be done, otherwise, use it. regards 18:05 jcamins But that's the reason for max(abs(barcode)) instead of one of the other two options. 18:05 jcamins gerundio: right... max and abs are almost certainly the wrong things to use anyway. 18:04 gerundio so max and abs return strange results 18:04 gerundio jcamins, just to add confusion to the subject, the barcode column is a varchar(20) 17:54 jcamins tcohen: I'd like to ask rangi about that. 17:54 tcohen jcamins: should i patch the xsl files? 17:54 gerundio jcamins, hmmm, does it make sense to use negative barcodes? 17:54 mtompset rangi++ # nice reply email regarding the first step required before providing suggestions. 17:54 tcohen hi mtompset 17:53 mtompset Greetings, tcohen and jcamins. :) 17:53 jcamins Right... I'm not sure how that got into 3.8, actually. 17:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , famfamfam should be outside theme directory 17:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:52 tcohen bug 8624 17:52 jcamins gerundio: max(abs(barcode)) makes more sense because it ensures that you have the absolute largest number regardless of sign. 17:51 * oleonard sends more beer to RMaint to compensate 17:51 gerundio shouldn't it be "select abs(max(barcode)) from items" instead or simply "select max(barcode) from items"? 17:51 tcohen oleonard: too much beer for the RMaint? 17:50 gerundio using max(abs()) returns strange results 17:50 gerundio in the script that generates the incremental barcode value we have the following query to get the biggest value: "select max(abs(barcode)) from items" 17:50 oleonard I think so tcohen, but I can't imagine why 17:50 gerundio got a MySQL trick question 17:50 gerundio good afternoon, long time :D 17:49 tcohen maybe some xslt patch should be backported too, and was missed 17:48 jcamins Now I'm confused. 17:48 oleonard You're right 17:48 jcamins Unless I have it backwards? 17:48 jcamins oleonard: no, I think the famfamfam move was backported from 3.10. 17:48 * oleonard guesses an XSLT patch backported from 3.10? 17:48 * jcamins will not be telling you that any time soon. 17:47 tcohen in production 17:47 tcohen until *someone* tells on IRC that 3.10 is being used 17:47 tcohen we are still on 3.8.x here 17:47 jcamins tcohen++ 17:47 jcamins Thanks! 17:47 * oleonard sees the same problem in 3.8.x 17:47 tcohen i'll attach a patch then 17:47 jcamins Right. 17:46 tcohen so the problem is the XSLT's and not them being moved 17:46 tcohen ok 17:46 jcamins I think I did that. 17:46 tcohen (you did it, right? :D) 17:46 tcohen those famfam images where moved to lib/ 17:45 tcohen oleonard, looks like the same problem 17:45 jcamins oleonard: unless there's actually a broader problem, and it's not package-specific. 17:44 tcohen the problem is with the images path in the XSLT 17:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9502 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9 17:44 oleonard Oh, well then Bug 9502 isn't it. 17:44 tcohen no, standard install oleonard 17:44 oleonard Installed via packages tcohen? 17:44 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. 17:44 jcamins Never mind. 17:44 jcamins Wow. 17:44 jcamins ... 17:43 jcamins And the solution is almost certainly "tell your librarians to fill in the 008 correctly." 17:43 tcohen http://famaf.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=spivak 17:43 wahanui somebody said the problem was it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 17:43 jcamins tcohen: what's the problem? 17:43 tcohen i'm about to fill a bug otherwise 17:43 tcohen have you heard of it? 17:43 tcohen but I have a problem with 3.8.x, in the opac results page 17:42 tcohen there are several bugs related to staff interface, using default XSLT 17:42 tcohen have a question regarding material type icons 17:41 cait hi tcohen :) 17:41 tcohen hi cait 17:32 libsysguy indeed 17:32 jcamins It sure did. 17:32 oleonard Boy, code.google.com sure got its ass kicked by GitHub 17:26 oleonard Good, I see jsTree has an upgraded version 17:20 jcamins Ah. 17:20 oleonard There are one or two places in acquisitions that uses it... Fancy tooltips 17:20 jcamins What's qtip do? 17:19 oleonard jquery.textarea-expander.js? 17:18 * oleonard starts making notes in addition to talking to himself 17:18 oleonard we'll have to replace the qtip plugin too... 17:16 oleonard But at least it has an upgraded version, unlike tablesorter 17:16 oleonard We'll need to upgrade the datatables plugin too. We're several versions behind. 17:12 jcamins Oh well. I will worry about making my shortcuts work when the tinyMCE editor is not selected after I've made saving work _in_ TinyMCE. 17:11 oleonard That's one of the reasons for all the DataTables patches from me 17:11 jcamins The latest release was less than a month ago, too. 17:11 oleonard Several of our plugins (including tablesorter) use it 17:11 jcamins Hm. 17:10 oleonard jquery.hotkeys uses a property ($.browser) which has been deprecated since jQuery 1.3 and removed in 1.9 17:10 drojf wait, there is missing backwards compatability with jquery updates? i'm shocked 17:09 rambutan sometimes wahanui is more trouble than she's worth 17:09 drojf hm. that is bad for a feature that possibly nobody uses. on the other hand, i bet there is this one library that hates computer mice and barcode scanners that only checks out that way 17:09 jcamins jquery.hotkeys doesn't work with the latest jQuery? 17:08 wahanui i guess Wait, is it only in items? 17:08 jcamins Wait, what? 17:08 oleonard I'm thinking about it because the jQuery plugin to make them possible is one which blocks our upgrade to the latest version of jQuery 17:06 oleonard http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/circfaq.html#keyboardshort 17:06 drojf wow. i definitely never knew that 17:06 jcamins I'm having some problems capturing Ctrl-Enter, though. 17:05 oleonard Sorry, Alt-U to check out 17:05 oleonard Alt-Q to check out, Alt-R to check in, Alt-Q to Search 17:04 oleonard I think a long long time ago we had visual indicators in the interface indicating them 17:04 drojf is that documented in the manual? or is that more a thing that web developers find when cleaning the code? 17:03 * jcamins didn't know there were. 17:03 drojf i don't think i knew about them :) 17:02 * oleonard wonders if people really use the js-driven keyboard shortcuts in Koha 17:00 kf bye all :) 16:33 drojf you didn't wish loud enough :) 16:30 kf :) 16:30 kf oleonard: exactly! 16:29 oleonard When she wished it 16:29 drojf ? 16:29 drojf when was i supposed toß 16:29 drojf huh? 16:29 kf drojf: of course... now you show up 16:29 drojf aaaw 16:28 jcamins drojf: I'm not doing anything with SRU in Zebra. 16:28 drojf jcamins: while fixing sru in zebra, can you add json output? thanks! :) 16:19 jcamins Yay! 16:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master 16:19 magnuse jcamins: the package building at least finnished and left me with some .deb files after i applied the patches from Bug 9592 :-) 16:18 rambutan Yea, for anything personal, and all _my_ computers at work it's only Linux. But at the library the users can only use Windows, and my duty is to support them. 16:15 Dyrcona Ah, don't mind me. Didn't read far enough back. :) 16:15 Dyrcona rambutan: Why bother? Just use GNU/Linux on your desktop. I do. 16:11 rambutan Actually, now that you wound me up, I wish they would port KDE to run as a windowing shell on top of the Win OS. 16:10 rambutan ...and that primarily as a sys admin 16:10 rambutan Win is insecure by design. If anyone wishes to use Windows, IMHO they should accept that. My statement was simply my desire for increased functionality when I have to use Windows. 16:07 oleonard rambutan: isn't that one of the things that made earlier versions of IE so insecure? 16:07 reiveune bye 16:06 rambutan I wish something like Konqueror was available on Win (file manager + browser). 15:43 magnuse or written by different divisions that don't talk to each other... 15:42 oleonard A browser written by the same guys who wrote the OS it runs on... Shouldn't it at the very least be fast? 15:41 magnuse beware of the dark side, they have um... terrible tools 15:41 kf oleonard: agreed 15:41 kf ts, drofj is never around when youneed him. 15:41 jcamins It is indeed. 15:41 jcamins Heh. 15:40 oleonard It's just. So. Awful. 15:40 oleonard I should have learned by now, but my god IE is a terrible browser 15:35 * magnuse runs build-git-snapshot again 15:35 oleonard Bootstrap: http://www.screencast.com/t/8oGFTTZPK 15:35 oleonard jQueryUI: http://www.screencast.com/t/2kYLbtFvmBg 15:35 oleonard Looks like the differences between jQueryUI and Bootstrap tooltips are mostly cosmetic. The code is almost identical. 15:26 Dyrcona [off] Windows...... [snickers] 15:25 oleonard [off] I guess that is a bright side jcamins 15:24 jcamins [off] at least they knew to try some troubleshooting and report what they'd done? 15:24 oleonard [off] Perhaps this "turn it off and turn it back on" has gotten out of hand... 15:24 oleonard [off] Tech support call: "I couldn't log in to the web site, so I turned off the computer and turned it back on and it still doesn't work" 15:23 magnuse it's been a long time since i built packages - didn't need to for all of 3.8.x 15:22 magnuse ah, that looks promising, perhaps 15:21 jcamins Exactly what I am not sure. 15:21 jcamins Something to do with --othermirror 15:21 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages 15:20 magnuse i did apt upgrade and dist-upgrade, but nothing to tell pbuilder about any new koha dependencies 15:20 jcamins I always have trouble with that. 15:20 magnuse or i'm missing the right command for updating inside pbuilder... 15:19 jcamins It fixes several of those, but it sounds like you're missing the squeeze-dev repo in your pbuilder environment. 15:18 magnuse jcamins: i get a lot of dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libanyevent-http-perl libanyevent-perl libauthen-cas-client-perl - is that the sort of thing that 9592 will fix? 15:17 * magnuse does not expect jcamins to think of everything, all the time ;-) 15:17 magnuse we'll see :-) 15:17 magnuse ah, cool 15:17 jcamins And you can confirm it works. :) 15:16 jcamins Sorry I didn't think of it sooner, but if the build fails again, that patch is known to fix it. 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master 15:16 jcamins Your life will be made much easier by applying bug 9592 first. 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages 15:16 magnuse bug 9250 was the plan 15:16 magnuse jcamins: trying to... 15:16 jcamins magnuse: oh, wait... are you signing off on things? 15:15 * magnuse runs build-git-snapshot again 15:13 Dyrcona "If" I get to it? 15:11 magnuse hehe, don't we all ;-) 15:11 jcamins And by "shortly" I mean "when I get to it." 15:11 magnuse yay 15:11 jcamins *push 15:11 jcamins There's a patch for master to do that which I will do shortly. 15:10 magnuse nice 15:10 magnuse ah 15:10 jcamins If you're rolling your own packages, you can just remove them from the control file. 15:10 jcamins Well, libdigest-jhash-perl and the CHI packages are entirely unnecessary. 15:10 magnuse (i'm inside pbuilder in a vm) 15:10 magnuse any workarounds? 15:09 magnuse the multiarch thing that i know nothing about? 15:09 jcamins i386 vs. amd64 15:09 magnuse dang 15:09 jcamins magnuse: it's a architecture thing. 15:07 magnuse huh? "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdigest-jhash-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 but it is not installable" i'm on perl v5.14.2 14:38 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "Découvrez le service Biblio+ pour enrichir l'OPAC de Koha, téléchargement disponible le 14.02.2013 #koha #kohails" 14:34 * magnuse hopes to make it to reno... 14:34 * kf had a great time with oleonard there too 14:33 kf biblibre++ 14:29 oleonard biblibre++ 14:29 oleonard Indeed. 14:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages 14:29 * magnuse preps his vm for taking a stab at testing bug 9250 14:28 magnuse biblibre++ 14:28 magnuse awww... 14:27 oleonard I had a great time and it kills me I can't be there this year 14:27 oleonard yes, thanks to paul_p's (and Biblibre's) generous sponsorship 14:26 magnuse ah, you were there last year? 14:26 magnuse oleonard: w00t! fingers crossed 14:26 oleonard magnuse: Then we'll test my theory that only one of us can be in Marseille at the same time ;) 14:25 oleonard Sadly no magnuse. I'm going to try really hard to swing it next year. 14:25 magnuse oleonard: yep, will you? :-) 14:19 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 14:19 kf @later tell drojf - ping me when you are around? 14:15 oleonard I haven't tried Bootstrap's typeahead, so I can't say anything about it. I would pick jQueryUI's in Koha because we already use it. 14:14 kf jcamins: scandalous! 14:14 jcamins I'm working on a non-Koha project right now. 14:14 jcamins oleonard: in general. 14:14 oleonard jcamins: In Koha? 14:14 kf oleonard++ :) 14:14 jcamins oleonard: do you know of any reason to choose jQueryUI's autocomplete over Bootstrap's typeahead or vice versa? 14:10 * oleonard gets the jQuery tooltip widget working, after a bit of a struggle 14:07 Dyrcona gmcharlt: Why can't Evergreen have hackfests in Marseilles? :p 14:07 oleonard You'll be at the hackfest in Marseille this year magnuse? 13:33 kf oleonard: :) 13:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons 13:30 oleonard Anyone who missed it before: We are seeking opinions on Bug 8662 13:24 magnuse yup 13:23 drojf it's good that we talked that over 13:20 magnuse ah 13:19 oleonard I dunno. 13:19 magnuse yea, oleonard? 13:19 oleonard So, #koha. 13:03 Herwig Hey Koha 12:34 kf there might not even be something to be done, but it's on my list to check 12:34 jcamins I suppose. 12:34 kf yeah, you can say no :) 12:34 kf jcamins_away: fixing the german installer is like... writing the manual... documentation ... right? ;) 12:30 kf and of course QA 12:30 kf adding new things to the sample files and the like 12:30 kf hope to fix some bugs and maybe the german installer 12:30 * magnuse will concentrate on that 12:29 kf jcamins_away: especially that :) 12:28 jcamins_away And particularly testing, QAing, and fixing. :) 12:28 kf only joking :) really looking forward to a week of koha development 12:28 kf well.... ;) 12:28 kf hehe 12:27 magnuse mohaha ;-) 12:27 * paul_p hope he's not trusted only for food questions ;-) 12:26 * magnuse trusts paul_p in questions of food :-) 12:25 kf we trust you to feed us well I guess :) 12:25 kf I loved the lebanon one too - but not sure what's doable :) 12:25 paul_p magnuse & kf = well the "lunch" tab is mostly the 2012 one. For sure we will have one cheese lunch, but still undecided for other lunches. 12:25 ambars happy to hear that :) 12:24 paul_p ambars and indian ppl are definetly nice people, always willing to help ! 12:24 paul_p ambars yes, Delhi is a wonderfull city (even if I've 45mn-1H driving from hotel to conf center twice a day. Well that makes me see what is real India :D ) 12:23 magnuse but a bit hard to organize with lots and lots of people, perhaps? 12:23 kf i think the workshops list needs updating a bit :) but apart from that I hope it's up to date 12:22 magnuse kf: yeah, the "asian" lunch was nice 12:22 ambars paul_p: i see... hope you're having fun in delhi :) 12:22 magnuse guess so... 12:22 kf magnuse: heh 12:22 drojf heh you missed the important part 12:22 magnuse kf: gah, i never looked beyond the first sheet in the spreadsheet... 12:21 * magnuse loves all kinds of cheese 12:20 kf but I was missing the buffet on the beach a little bit on thursday 12:20 kf magnuse: there was some lunch plan in the hackfest google docs 12:20 drojf brunost is not real cheese :D 12:20 * magnuse loves cheese 12:20 magnuse i might be? 12:20 magnuse hehe 12:19 drojf i guess i am not very french 12:17 drojf (one reason i cannot come :P) 12:17 drojf i bet there will be cheese all day, every day 12:15 * magnuse hopes there will be cheese for lunch in marseille this year too, btw :-) 12:14 paul_p ambars nope, I'm (very) french, I'm just in Delhi for a week for ICAL2013 conference 12:13 kf paul_p++ for being a very french world traveller .) 12:13 kf very french... nicely said :) 12:13 drojf "very" french? :) 12:13 magnuse ambars: paul_p is very french, he just happens to be in india at the moment :-) 12:12 * ambars is from bangalore 12:12 ambars paul_p: are you from india? 12:10 magnuse [off] yay ;-) 12:10 paul_p [off] magnuse a very nice time speaking with Marshall (Breeding), speaking about Koha history & LL & all this crap. He is really aware of all the history ;-) 12:10 * magnuse gets curious ;-) 12:08 wahanui i heard logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 12:08 kf logs? 12:08 kf [off] that should not be recorded 12:08 kf yes 12:07 paul_p magnuse to say something not recorded by the bot, it's [OFF] at the beginning, right ? 12:06 magnuse paul_p: any koha action in india today? ;-) 11:56 kf namaste paul_p 11:56 paul_p namaste magnuse ;-) 11:55 magnuse namaste paul_p 11:37 kf back 11:37 * kf waves 11:37 kf galen says soemthing like that in the other bugt too 11:37 kf it does 11:34 gaetan_B which means this comes from zebra i guess 11:34 gaetan_B thanks magnuse this must be the same problem 10:52 ambars awesome, thanks! 10:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9522 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha returns <, >, etc in the record instead of <, >, etc when fulfilling a Z39.50 request 10:50 magnuse gaetan_B, kf: bug 9522 sounds similar to what you were talking about earlier too, perhaps? 10:47 drojf ambars: https://github.com/dpavlin/Biblio-Z3950 10:45 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 10:45 drojf @later tell slef …only find 3 10:45 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 10:45 drojf @later tell slef what happened to the kohacon videos? i can only find on archive.org? 10:44 drojf there should be a video 10:42 * ambars checks out the slides 10:41 drojf you might want to take a look at dpavlins slides from kohacon http://www.slideshare.net/dpavlin/this-is-an-interesting-metadata-source-can-i-import-it-into-koha 10:39 ambars I bet such an approach wouldn't be able to retrieve a minimal sufficient set of MARC parameters, right? 10:38 ambars Are you aware of any attempts at scraping/getting book information from Amazon or the Google Books APIs or some other programmatic approach? 10:37 ambars lol cool 10:35 drojf also i heard of people that actually love cataloguing in MARC, they would do it too ;) 10:34 drojf that depends. i think z39.50 i used a lot, but there are not servers available for everything. it also depends on cataloguing guidelines. if you have very strict rules to match, you might want to do it manually too 10:33 ambars I guess it's unavoidable for some very old books that we have in our collection... they don't seem to have MARC records in any of the (few) servers that I tried so far... 10:32 ambars Is it typical to create MARC records manually? There are so many fields to fill in! 10:31 ambars I see. Cool. 10:30 drojf you might want to ask on the mailing list for other koha libraries in india. i think there are a lot, maybe they can give you more advice on sources for the data you need 10:29 drojf if not, no way 10:28 drojf ambars: there has to be a marc record available for that. so someone must have created it 10:28 drojf if there is some kind of index that lists all indian books (like a national library) but does not offer z39.59, you could try to write some script to grab the data for those books you dont get otherwise 10:28 ambars The librarian has a goal of being able to scan the bar code off a book and auto-magically getting the MARC record for importing... is that available or even feasible? :) 10:26 ambars and the same number of records. 10:26 ambars About 1000 - 2000 books 10:26 ambars drojf: thanks, yes I tried that. I added a few z39.50 servers that are more relevant to our library (Indian books, hence I added 2 Indian z39.50 servers). This helped get better results in the search, but there are still several gaps. 10:24 drojf for us it is importing stuff from another database. i have never done that from scratch. how many records are we talking about? 10:24 drojf hm. you might be needing different z39.50 servers (that carry the things you have in your collection) 10:23 ambars I have no experience with cataloging, so what it the typical way to create a catalog? 10:22 ambars We're looking to import catalog entries somehow. I have tried out the z39.50 search, and it works for some books. I'm looking for a way to search and import MARC records given an ISBN number (that I can scan from the bar code). 10:22 ashimema oops 10:22 drojf lol. using @ confuses the bot ;) 10:22 huginn ashimema: I suck 10:22 ashimema @ambars: good luck.. 10:21 drojf ambars: that's cool 10:21 ambars Greetings! I'm just getting started with koha for a small new library. I've installed koha and am playing around with it. The library does not yet have a catalog and we have to build it from scratch. 10:19 ashimema The results are of a completely different format to those of the old chr indexing.. just wondered if that's actualyl right. 10:18 alohabot Hi mib_q6munk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 10:18 ashimema anyone useing the sru server with DOM indexing? 10:18 ashimema quick question for people... 10:18 kf ok, now really afk :) 10:18 kf aah 10:18 sophie_m yes kf, but as you said, I think the patch to correct ampersand has broken <> 10:17 kf sophie_m: from looking at it it might only have fixed the &? 10:16 kf sophie_m++ :) 10:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml 10:15 sophie_m oups Bug 3326 gaetan_B 10:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3323 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, nahuel.angelinetti, CLOSED FIXED, Reserves in issuing rules 10:15 sophie_m gaetan_B: Bug 3323 deals with your pb 10:09 gaetan_B ok thanks kf, that should help :) 10:06 kf bbiab 10:05 kf hope I make some sense here... 10:01 kf I think it's probably something to do with not being able to use < > and & in XML? 10:00 kf I think the replace is not clever, it replaces all ampersands, so if there is already an entity in the output, it gets broken 10:00 kf in the source code it looked something like: &lt because it was already an entity and the & was replaced by mistake 10:00 gaetan_B but what you added comes before that line, so would it really make a difference ? 09:59 * kf tries to remember 09:59 kf but it breaks the < > at the same time 09:59 kf it fixes the & 09:59 kf yes 09:59 gaetan_B *the 09:59 gaetan_B my assumption was the line $xmlrecord =~ s/\& /\&\; /; was teh one causing the problem 09:58 gaetan_B i see 09:57 kf gaetan_B: not sure if this is the best way to fix it - but they haven't had any other complaints since :) http://paste.koha-community.org/391 09:57 kf and I think I copied it from some other place... but not sure where from 09:56 kf becuase the sequence was the problem 09:56 kf I made a change to XSLT.pm 09:56 kf ok 09:55 gaetan_B kf: i definitely have a second for this :) 09:55 kf gaetan_B: we have one with manuscripts and they make use of < a lot 09:54 kf gaetan_B: do you have a second? I think I fixed this in one of our installations 09:54 magnuse sophie_m: yay! 09:54 kf :) 09:53 sophie_m kf magnuse : ich freue mich auch :-) 09:50 gaetan_B maybe there's a better solution 09:50 gaetan_B but i'm wondering why we do it in the first place 09:50 gaetan_B we could fix this quickly by not sending this parameter for displaying results 09:49 gaetan_B (this could possibly affect other characters) 09:49 gaetan_B which are then rendered as <: and > on results pages 09:49 gaetan_B namely those containing the "<" and ">" characters 09:48 gaetan_B this breaks the display for some records 09:48 gaetan_B is there a reason for this ? 09:48 gaetan_B on the result page we send "1" for the fixampersand parameter, but we don't send anything for this parameter on the detail page 09:47 gaetan_B the XSLTParse4Display function is called with different parameters 09:47 gaetan_B namely 09:47 gaetan_B xslt are handled differently on the results and detail page 08:52 drojf lol 08:33 magnuse heh, pure luck! 08:32 kf correct german in the morning 08:32 kf magnuse++ :) 08:31 magnuse wir freuen uns! 08:27 kf ganz gut :) freue mich schon auf marseille :) 08:27 gaetan_B hallo kf :) wie geht's? 08:27 kf hi gaetan_B 08:21 gaetan_B hello 08:16 kf hi magnuse :) 08:16 magnuse kia ora kf! 08:05 drojf good morning france ;) 08:00 wahanui hi, reiveune 08:00 reiveune hello 07:52 cait hmpf hmpf :) 07:50 drojf congratulations :) 07:50 cait and have to go now - bbl :) 07:50 cait hmpf 07:50 cait i win.. 07:47 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.5°C (8:43 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 07:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:46 drojf hi cait 07:46 cait hi drojf 07:46 cait still snow here 07:45 drojf good morning #koha 07:35 magnuse ;-) 07:35 magnuse hah! 07:35 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.2°C (8:30 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:35 magnuse @wunder konstanz 07:35 magnuse forecast says we will get +4 on sunday... 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 07:34 magnuse @wunder boo 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 07:34 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:30 cait bonjour :) 07:29 laurence hell magnuse 07:29 alex_a hello magnuse 07:29 magnuse bonjour alex_a et laurence 07:22 wahanui salut, alex_a 07:22 alex_a Bonjour 07:01 dcook Cheers! 07:01 dcook Anyway, I'm off for the night 06:53 dcook :p 06:45 * magnuse remembers back to the hard old days before git bz... ;-) 06:44 dcook I really need to sign off on more patches...it took me ages to remember how to do 9545 with git bz 06:44 * magnuse waves 06:19 cait morning 06:18 dcook Hey cait 06:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9603 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE 06:04 dcook Bug 9603 has a lot of insertions/deletions, but most of those are actually just whitespace changes. There should only be a few deleted fieldset/li elements, and inserted ol elements... 04:52 dcook No longer shall users of IE cringe to look at you...in this particular context... 04:52 dcook Take that, IE! 04:52 * dcook has vanquished the edit-layout template of the Patron Card Creator. 04:26 dcook Correction: super weird 04:26 dcook Ok, maybe IE is weird :p 04:02 * jcamins calls it a night. 04:02 jcamins ^^ that's what I'd suggest. 04:02 cjh although it may be possible with a browser plugin 04:01 jcamins vkm: so far as I know that has not actually been implemented, no. 04:01 cjh sorry, already* 04:00 cjh vkm: your language may alrady be supported in Koha, have a look at http://translate.koha-community.org/ 03:58 vkm Hello dear all is it possible to implement googletransliteration in koha staff client so that i can feed entry in local language during cataloguing? 03:52 wizzyrea see above. 03:52 wahanui OK, eythian 03:52 eythian wahanui: be rangi =~ s/There/<reply>There/ 03:52 wizzyrea you bot whisperer you 03:52 wizzyrea gotya 03:51 eythian yep 03:51 wizzyrea oh so we would have to say <reply> there's a bug for that 03:51 wahanui i think be rangi is There's a bug for that 03:51 eythian wahanui: be rangi 03:51 wahanui Send a patch! 03:51 eythian wahanui: be rangi 03:51 eythian it's random 03:51 wizzyrea is also doesn't seem to work 03:51 eythian yep 03:51 wizzyrea can you tell the ones that are <reply> to have more than one reply? 03:50 wizzyrea ha 03:50 eythian it was too short to record. 03:50 wizzyrea doesn't work anyway :) 03:50 eythian no, that didn't work 03:50 wizzyrea x? 03:49 wizzyrea now there is mysterious knowledge there. 03:49 wizzyrea there. 03:49 wizzyrea x is 42 03:49 wizzyrea you have the log ^.^ 03:49 eythian but that was an also, so there may have been mysterious knowledge hidden in that factoid. 03:49 wahanui Send a patch! 03:49 wizzyrea be rangi 03:49 wahanui Send a patch! 03:49 wizzyrea be rangi 03:48 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 03:48 wizzyrea be rangi is also There's a bug for that 03:48 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot x 03:48 wizzyrea forget x 03:48 eythian oh well 03:48 eythian err 03:48 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:48 eythian X is also Y 03:48 eythian "also" 03:48 wizzyrea eythian: what's the magic to have wahanui give one of a number of responses 03:47 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #206: "There's a bug for that" (added by chrisc at 11:55 PM, May 24, 2012) 03:47 wizzyrea @quote random 03:46 wizzyrea that would be the sort of thing where I'd do it, and it would either spam the channel, at which point I'd run away giggling, or do nothing. And I'd have to sulk. 03:46 wizzyrea decides against it. 03:46 * wizzyrea ponders @quote get all 03:46 wizzyrea GET ALL OF THEM. 03:45 cjh all the quotes 03:45 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010) 03:45 wizzyrea @quote random 03:45 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010) 03:45 wizzyrea @quote random 03:45 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #163: "<oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it." (added by wizzyrea at 08:05 PM, November 10, 2011) 03:45 wizzyrea @quote random 03:45 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010) 03:45 wizzyrea @quote random 03:45 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #131: "oleonard Yeah, huginn. Perv." (added by Brooke at 04:09 PM, May 04, 2011) 03:45 wizzyrea @quote random 03:45 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010) 03:45 wizzyrea @quote random 03:34 jcamins I have a brilliant solution to my problem, and the javascript events are happening in the wrong order. 03:34 jcamins Grr. 03:32 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #112: "gmcharlt: only superlibrarians can be trusted with capes" (added by wizzyrea at 09:17 PM, December 15, 2010) 03:32 gmcharlt @quote random 03:30 eythian E for effort 03:28 wizzyrea it works 03:27 bag test 02:34 * dcook will fix it after lunch 02:34 dcook rangi: Looks like edit.layout.tt has some bad extra markup and IE doesn't like nested list elements without list start/end tags. While I want to blame IE, I suppose that does make a certain amount of sense :p 02:16 cjh wizzyrea++ 02:15 libsysguy okay server gone 02:14 jcamins Looks like the documentation is good, but the link on the home page is wrong. 02:14 jcamins Oh, wait. 02:13 libsysguy i feel the same way about indexdata 02:13 jcamins Incidentally, the documentation for tinymce is rather disappointing. 02:10 libsysguy excellent 02:10 * libsysguy considers deleting my atlassian box for Koha 02:10 jcamins Well done. ​ did it. 02:10 libsysguy did you try the link? 02:09 * libsysguy goes to talk to Harry Potter 02:09 jcamins I already have an element. The problem is that elements with no character data can't be typed in. 02:09 jcamins wizzyrea: except I can't type in an invisible span either. 02:09 libsysguy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_space 02:09 wizzyrea well an invisible span would do. 02:08 libsysguy ​ 02:08 jcamins So since I can't do that, the next best thing is to have an invisible space that allows me to type inside the tags. 02:08 eythian I don't know of HTML having a zero-width space 02:08 * dcook has a similar problem perhaps 02:08 wizzyrea oh. no idea. 02:08 jcamins Yet. 02:07 jcamins What I want is to open a tag and not close it. 02:07 jcamins No, I don't want invalid markup. 02:07 libsysguy maybe he's writing test files? 02:07 wizzyrea and you would want to do this because... 02:07 jcamins Work around the fact that I can't force TinyMCE to generate invalid markup. 02:07 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 02:07 wizzyrea the first question? 02:07 wizzyrea yea, the first question 02:06 libsysguy what are you trying to do? 02:06 wizzyrea like an invisible span? 02:06 jcamins libsysguy: that's visible. 02:06 libsysguy I think 02:06 libsysguy 02:05 jcamins Does HTML have an invisible space? 01:55 dcook bag: :p 01:55 libsysguy ^^ talljoy 01:54 libsysguy 1) its always the data 01:54 bag it's always IE :P 01:53 dcook I think it might be bad markup and IE is just a lot less forgiving... 01:53 dcook Hmm, actually it might not be IE 01:36 libsysguy and what you have existing 01:35 libsysguy_phone I think its just a matter of preference 01:29 jcamins So... anyone have any idea why I would use Bootstrap's typeahead instead of jQuery's autocomplete or vice versa? 01:25 dcook True enough. 01:25 eythian (especially the first patch that is, the second is fairly inconsequential for most people) 01:23 rangi even that is 2 years old now 01:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master 01:23 eythian jcamins: I've marked bug 9592 as passed QA, though I'd like it if you were to give it a bit of a look over too. 01:22 dcook This is even in ie 9 :/ 01:22 dcook A lot of people I know have no choice 01:21 eythian we strongly encourage it, though some people have no choice. 01:21 rangi but anything except ie 8 or older 01:21 rangi not just firefox or chrome 01:21 rangi for the staff side yes 01:20 dcook The patron card creator is an absolute disaster in IE 01:19 dcook The ones who do not that is 01:19 dcook Poor folks 01:16 jcamins Well, there are a few I know who do not. 01:16 jcamins Yes. 01:15 dcook Does everyone else's clients really use Firefox and Chrome? 01:15 dcook Although as we all know, it's IE that is junk not Koha... 01:15 dcook If I were using IE to use Koha, I would think it was such a piece of junk 01:14 dcook Patron card creator. *brain explodes* 01:08 jcamins Yay! 01:06 eythian jcamins: build succeeded with that patch. 00:58 * dcook glares at IE 00:55 jcamins No objection. 00:55 eythian ah, papa. Just been talking about you. 00:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Package dependency updates for master 00:55 eythian jcamins: any objection to including this on bug 9592? Or would you prefer its own bug? 00:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update typo 00:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #288: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/288/ 00:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #288 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 21 days ago) 00:50 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update typo 00:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #20: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/20/ 00:50 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update typo 00:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #22: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/22/ 00:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #20 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 00:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #22 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:49 jcamins None of the variables are used anywhere else. 00:49 jcamins Move all that code into GetMemberAccountBalance. 00:46 eythian do you remember where the fix for something similar is? I might see how that's done. 00:44 eythian yeah, mine too 00:43 jcamins What I don't know, though, is why the test passes on my server even with MySQL shut down. 00:42 eythian ah right 00:41 jcamins I didn't realize that Srdjan had done that on multiple patches. 00:41 jcamins No. 00:40 eythian so, is there a followup that fixes that somewhere? 00:40 jcamins Yup. 00:39 eythian we're hitting a syspref outside a sub 00:39 eythian jcamins: ahh 00:39 wahanui eythian: I forgot issue 00:39 eythian wahanui: forget the issue 00:39 eythian I don't see it 00:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error 00:39 wahanui the issue is, like, the one described in bug 6997 00:39 eythian what is the issue? 00:38 jcamins That problem in another patch from Srdjan was fixed in a different follow-up. 00:37 jcamins I see. 00:37 jcamins Ohh. 00:37 jcamins I could've sworn that was fixed in the follow-up. 00:36 jcamins Wait... 00:36 jcamins Right above GetMemberAccountBallance. 00:36 jcamins I missed it when I pushed it. 00:36 jcamins Oh, I see it. 00:32 eythian I see no obvious reason for it to cause this problem though 00:31 eythian jcamins: doesn't appear to, ce6f2cb74f78196e8d80a8b9acf27060e5fa09eb also fails 00:09 bag ah it's fat tuesday 00:07 dcook night, drojf 00:07 drojf good night #koha