Time  Nick            Message
23:17 Dyrcona         Somebody needs to teach wahanui to parse Maori.
23:17 Dyrcona         Kia ora!
23:16 drojf           so, openstreetmap routing can show me the way using public transportation, but it does not tell me which parts of the route is by what? that is… special?
23:13 wahanui         hello, bgkriegel
23:13 bgkriegel       Hello
23:06 wizzyrea        that's fun acutally.
23:06 drojf           heh
23:06 wizzyrea        ohhhh!
23:04 eythian         http://mrcoles.com/demo/markdown-css/ <-- neat
23:03 drojf           ah right, i forgot about tex version numbering. all cool stuff is done already :/
23:01 maximep         haha
23:00 cjh             we never made it to 'free lesson off with fish and chips' :(
22:59 maximep         weird teacher :S
22:59 eythian         some other part of the TeX system asymtotes version numbers to /e/.
22:59 cjh             s/as/in/; # ...
22:58 cjh             in my stats class as high school if anyone in the class could memorize enough of it the whole class would get treats, the more they memorized the better the treats.
22:58 maximep         :S
22:58 maximep         no idea why I ever lost time learning those digits 3.14159265358979
22:57 cjh             that is awesome
22:56 eythian         The current version of TeX is 3.1415926
22:56 wizzyrea        i'm going to go back and hide now.
22:56 wizzyrea        curses.
22:55 wizzyrea        NO
22:55 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Transport Cost Matrix in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/nNMCkAt1"
22:55 drojf           that would actually be a naming scheme that easily beats the fork. we will only continue with more digits of pi. and never reach v4.0
22:55 wizzyrea        actually ignore me.
22:55 * eythian       takes back your geek card.
22:55 wizzyrea        .79, I mean
22:55 wizzyrea        3.14.15.9, for example
22:54 drojf           wizzyrea: we need a lot of cool sub-versions ;)
22:54 * wizzyrea      notes the next version of koha is 3.14
22:54 datadoctor      Maybe a built-in XSLT editor?
22:50 datadoctor      It's a fun read. May we all someday have a supercomputer in our living room...running Koha!
22:49 datadoctor      Here's the article on the Chudnovsky brothers, called "Mountains of Pi" http://www.davidabrahamson.com/WWW/IALJS/Preston_TheMountainsofPi_NYer_2Mar92.pdf
22:48 datadoctor      <chuckles> yes, in my alphabet h comes before f!
22:46 drojf           datadoctor: your alphabet is different from mine :)
22:45 datadoctor      I read a great article on the Chudnovsky brothers - they built a supercomputer in their NY apartment to calculate the digits of pi.
22:44 datadoctor      nice
22:44 wahanui         datadoctor: somebody was calculating pi on the server
22:44 datadoctor      excuse me a,b,h,f,g,k,n,p,s - I guess that's alphabetical.
22:43 datadoctor      For the bolded title and subtitle (Marc subfield 245) that order appears to be b,h,f,g,k,n,p,s
22:43 * dcook         would like to play around a bit more with xslt
22:42 dcook           Makes sense
22:42 dcook           I've used the same mechanism to add in other fields as well, but I've had to add in the code in the Perl script to achieve the desired effect
22:42 datadoctor      They all show up in the results, but the xslt block orders them a certain way by default.
22:41 dcook           True, which is handy
22:41 datadoctor      However you can map multiple MARC subfields to the subtitle field name.
22:41 dcook           Although also having an enhancement where the MARC Bibliographic Frameworks actually fully work would also be good...
22:41 datadoctor      Yes, it only works with the keyword mapping field name set to subtitle.
22:41 dcook           Actually, I was thinking of making an enhancement where the Keywords to MARC Mapping would work without having to change code on the backend...
22:40 dcook           Hehe. Good point.
22:40 drojf           dcook: nevermind. it's working, let's not question anything :)
22:39 drojf           excellent :)
22:39 datadoctor      My colleague Jorge pointed out the xsl code to edit, and I was able to swap the order of the subtitle fields in the item detail and search results. Tech Services will be very pleased!
22:38 dcook           Wait...I think I missed part of the conversation that might make the confusion more clear :p
22:38 dcook           drojf: As far as I know, the Keywords to MARC Mapping only works with subtitle by default
22:32 drojf           now i'm even more confused :)
22:32 drojf           if he was
22:32 drojf           how did that apply then if was using xslt?
22:32 drojf           4.3. Keywords to MARC Mapping: This tool only effects sites that are not using the XSLT Stylesheets.
22:25 drojf           ah, the other mapping. sorry i got confused
22:25 datadoctor      ^-^
22:23 rangi           https://soundcloud.com/lordemusic/sets/the-love-club/  <-- 17 year old kid with a computer somewhere in nz
22:22 datadoctor      Thanks for your collective help on this project, I will start on it again in the morning. Here's some music for your work. This has been powering me today: http://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=tame+impala+lonerism
22:20 datadoctor      Editing the xslt is easier said than done...thinking it is time to head home...zzzzzzzzzz
22:13 datadoctor      And item details.
22:12 datadoctor      Although those may be visible elsewhere, it makes it easier for Reference if they come up in the staff side search results.
22:12 wizzyrea        yep, that's pretty common
22:12 datadoctor      We add the medium, for example [DVD] and the part number, for example [DISC 5]
22:11 bag             that doesn't change the mapping - but you are correct - you should not change the mapping (it's still hardcoded in some places - like the indexing files)
22:11 datadoctor      In the search results and the item details, there is a subtitle field available for items. Keyword mapping allows one to add additional MARC fields to the subtitle.
22:10 bag             Keywords to MARC mapping
22:10 drojf           and you have more options with the xslt files of course. you can basically change everything, formatting and stuff
22:10 bag             drojf: not mapping - keyword
22:09 datadoctor      I didn
22:09 datadoctor      That does make sense.
22:09 drojf           bag: when i started with koha i was told not to touch the mapping if possible, so i sticked to that. but you are probably right
22:07 bag             drojf: I think both methods would work - either custom XSLT or keyword to mapping
22:06 drojf           you have xslt files for result lists and single record display. both for opac and staff client, so that makes four files. you can change them all to your liking. whatever field orders you change in on of the files will be shown for all records in that view. does that make sense?
22:05 datadoctor      Like to put all [DVD] after Season #X.
22:05 drojf           what do you mean by globally?
22:04 datadoctor      Will that work if I want to make the change globally?
22:01 drojf           datadoctor: if you want to change the order in the xslt display, do your own xslt file instead of changing the mapping
22:00 bag             night cait
22:00 datadoctor      g'nite!
22:00 rangi           night
22:00 cait            and now I am gone :) night all!
21:59 cait            bag++
21:59 cait            and I should even more go to bed :)
21:59 cait            arg I should read back
21:58 datadoctor      Thanks wahanui!
21:58 datadoctor      Hmmm...I tried both methods, and although they reorder in the fieldmapping table, they don't reorder in the xslt block for results. I'll try looking at the schema.
21:58 cait            fieldmapping
21:57 wahanui         schema is, like, tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
21:57 cait            schema?
21:57 cait            datadoctor: or just reenter them :P
21:55 wizzyrea        sure you can
21:55 datadoctor      Tech Services would like the 245h 'subtitle' to list after the 245p 'subtitle' in the item description - I think I can reorder the id's in the fieldmapping to make it work.
21:51 bag             :P
21:51 bag             awwh shucks
21:51 datadoctor      :)
21:51 datadoctor      bag++
21:51 bag             eythian++
21:51 libsysguy       gracias
21:50 bag             nice thanks eythian
21:50 eythian         uploaded
21:50 eythian         libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1~oldstable1 |   oldstable | i386, amd64, source
21:50 eythian         libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1 | squeeze-dev | i386, amd64, source
21:50 eythian         libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1~koha1 |     squeeze | i386, amd64, source
21:50 eythian         $ reprepro ls libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl
21:50 eythian         libsysguy:
21:50 datadoctor      Yes! Thank you bag
21:50 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/fieldmapping.html  yep it is
21:49 bag             fieldmapping
21:49 bag             sorry typo
21:49 bag             datadoctor: is it feildmapping?
21:48 wahanui         somebody said schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
21:48 wizzyrea        schema?
21:46 datadoctor      does anybody know off the top of their head, where keyword to MARC mappings get stored?
21:23 eythian         sweet ta
21:23 libsysguy       I'll shoot you an email with the package that needs built
21:23 libsysguy       excellent
21:22 eythian         libsysguy: in that case it'll be a ~15 minute job for me to build and deploy everything :)
21:22 eythian         awesome
21:22 libsysguy       no weird deps so that wasn't a problem
21:21 libsysguy       and built the package
21:21 libsysguy       I already ran it through the dh-make-perl script
21:19 eythian         also make sure you add it to the kohadependencies.pl file, that way it'll automagically end up in the control file when I rebuild it.
21:18 eythian         best bet is to email me the details, I'll make a package for it and put it in the repo. If it has no weird dependencies, it's a fairly quick process
21:18 libsysguy       eythian: is there somewhere I can put it so it ends up in Koha Common
21:18 eythian         libsysguy: so I saw
21:11 libsysguy       heh
21:10 bag             sending around packages (HA) is working :P
21:10 libsysguy       uh oh, sorry bag I'll get back to work :p
21:09 bag             heh
21:07 libsysguy       always oleonard
21:07 oleonard        Gotta go. Keep it classy #koha
21:07 libsysguy       and drojf I…I got nothing for that one...
21:06 libsysguy       well my package is for eythan.  I just want to share it
21:06 libsysguy       hahahaha
21:06 drojf           how many scrollbacks have you seen in your life?
21:06 oleonard        libsysguy: If we're making that kind of joke I have a "That's what he said" retort for your package comment ;)
21:04 libsysguy       :p
21:04 libsysguy       hey oleonard I'll have you know my scrollback is of average length
21:04 libsysguy       I have a package for you
21:03 * oleonard      suspects libsysguy reads #koha with an unusually short scrollback
21:03 cait            lol
21:03 libsysguy       eythan!!
21:03 libsysguy       oh
21:03 huginn          libsysguy: eythian was last seen in #koha 1 minute and 47 seconds ago: <eythian> hi
21:03 libsysguy       @seen eythian
21:02 cait            hu?
21:01 drojf           ho
21:01 eythian         hi
20:55 cait            got it :)
20:55 cait            ooh
20:55 gmcharlt        my bad pun on argent-ian :)
20:54 cait            ok, what did I miss? :)
20:54 rangi           heh
20:52 * gmcharlt      celebrates the rise of our new silver-plated Koha developer overlords!
20:50 cait            heh
20:47 wizzyrea        :)
20:47 rangi           argentinian_koha_developers++
20:47 rangi           hmm
20:47 rangi           argentian_koha_developers++
20:05 cait            wb :)
20:05 wahanui         I hate jetlag.
20:05 bag             welcome back
20:03 rangi           back
19:41 gmcharlt        (aka the use-xml-libxml-reader-cleaner branch of git://git.code.sf.net/p/marcpm/code
19:41 gmcharlt        for anybody following along with the record changes in MARC::File::XML, I'd appreciate feedback on https://sourceforge.net/p/marcpm/code/ci/4d1a5eb3aaafe281b05ee10fa8853a16b28275dc/tree/
19:27 jcamins         Well, they never existed at all, but even with imported records I noticed that.
19:27 jcamins         mtompset: yeah, they just vanished when I tried to export records. Very weird.
19:26 mtompset        "doesn't support indicators in MARC records."?! What the?!
19:26 jcamins         [off] Great, now he's going to have to go off and be sick for a while.
19:26 cait            [off] I would be interested to hear your opinion on that :)
19:24 gmcharlt        [off] *cough* OLE *cough*
19:24 jcamins         I figure if someone with a low budget can come up with that bright idea, someone with a high budget could come up with _much_ worse things to do to their staff clients. :)
19:23 rangi           bbl
19:23 rangi           ok time to take the kids to school
19:23 rangi           librarians .. dont become the IT depts of the world :)
19:23 jcamins         I don't just mean "oh, it's not very convenient to specify indicators," I mean "THEY FORGOT TO PUT INDICATORS IN THEIR MARC RECORDS!" <-- caps necessary
19:22 rangi           if people cant actually find things
19:22 rangi           but really, who cares
19:22 jcamins         No, but that doesn't mean it's any better designed.
19:22 rangi           the staff interface might be super awesome
19:21 rangi           well carlx is NOT budget
19:21 jcamins         rangi: I highly doubt it. After all, I just discovered that a popular budget ILS doesn't support indicators in MARC records.
19:20 rangi           serve us, before the 60 or so librarians
19:20 rangi           but really, i dont give a crap about the staff interface as one of the 400k potential users
19:20 rangi           probably the librarians can fudgitate the flumorix shiggery on the leader position 12 or something now
19:19 rangi           it didnt get better
19:19 rangi           hmm actually now its carlx
19:19 rangi           carl2 from TLC
19:18 oleonard        Wow rangi, that page uses frames!
19:18 rangi           cya magnuse
19:18 rangi           spending my rates on that ... AWESOME!
19:18 * magnuse       wanders off
19:18 rangi           the actual opac is no better than the discovery layer
19:17 magnuse         jcamins: ok, thanks. hopefully tomorrow!
19:17 rangi           http://www.wcl.govt.nz/carlweb/jsp/search_page.jsp
19:17 magnuse         oooh, flash...
19:17 jcamins         magnuse: I'd be fine with a follow-up.
19:17 oleonard        But look how easy it is to search for "thu" and "thi!"
19:17 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
19:17 magnuse         jcamins: Bug 9250 forgets to add the new commands to the koha-common manpage. should i fail qa and force eythian to do it or would you be ok with me providing a followup on the same bug along with my signoff (hopefully)?
19:17 rangi           unless you jump through hoops to find them
19:16 rangi           but you'd never know
19:16 rangi           4!!! the the albums
19:16 rangi           they have 4
19:16 * cait          hides
19:16 rangi           http://www.wcl.govt.nz/easyfind/?q=the%20the
19:16 cait            not the opac!!
19:16 cait            oh please noooo
19:16 rangi           ill show you why i never use the wellington city libraries
19:15 * jcamins       thinks there is a lesson here for libraries.
19:15 rangi           97 i finished my second degree, it would have been then
19:15 jcamins         Heh.
19:15 rangi           its been hmm 16 years or so since i did
19:14 rangi           hmm apart from books for the kids
19:14 cait            !
19:13 jcamins         In a highly unusual turn of events, I _actually took some books out of the library_!
19:11 magnuse         cait: :-)
19:11 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Transport Cost Matrix in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/n4qkHjv9 #kohails"
19:11 cait            don't think about pink elephants?
19:11 cait            heh
19:08 * magnuse       gets a sudden urge to call talljoy
19:02 rangi           that's why you have a style guide :)
19:00 libsysguy       inconsistent_spacing--
19:00 libsysguy       :'(
18:58 rangi           spaces are consistent
18:58 gmcharlt        sadly, us 3.5 spacers are never acommodated ;)
18:58 rangi           no, thats not how it works in practice, unless you have control over every editors setting on every machine you ever log in to
18:57 * libsysguy     is still a young un'
18:57 libsysguy       :p
18:57 rangi           ahh, you really should have been at the style training
18:57 libsysguy       so if your a 2 spacer or an 8 spacer you're happy
18:57 libsysguy       well if you commit them as tabs, then you editor can make the decision on how to display them
18:56 libsysguy       heh
18:56 rangi           that's precisely what is wrong with them :)
18:56 libsysguy       then i can define my own widths
18:56 rangi           lol
18:56 libsysguy       ah yes…i prefer tabs :p
18:55 rangi           no, you were complaining about tabs or something
18:54 libsysguy       I thought I had that resolved
18:53 libsysguy       did I have another patch with whitespace problems?
18:53 rangi           talk to eythian about that
18:53 rangi           yes
18:53 libsysguy       don't we have a repo to koha packages that aren't in the standard debian repo?
18:53 rangi           for you
18:53 rangi           http://search.cpan.org/~bessarabv/Test-Whitespaces-0.03/lib/Test/Whitespaces.pm
18:52 libsysguy       but I had to build the package as well
18:52 libsysguy       I need to do that as well
18:52 libsysguy       well
18:52 rangi           you mean add it as a dependency eh?
18:52 libsysguy       ah
18:52 rangi           libsysguy: install it, and update apt-file then run the script to update the control file
18:47 gaetan_B        bye
18:40 libsysguy       mtompset thats what I just did :D
18:40 libsysguy       okay…now that I have a package…how do I get it into koha-common
18:40 mtompset        Hoping to try to figure out dh-make-perl. :)
18:40 cait            hi mtompset, hi rangi
18:40 rangi           hi cait
18:40 mtompset        Writing a newsletter.
18:39 libsysguy       sup mtompset
18:39 mtompset        Greetings, libsysguy.
18:38 mtompset        Hi, cait! Long time no chat. :)
18:38 * libsysguy     waives back
18:38 * cait          waves
18:36 libsysguy       wow this is exceedingly easy..thank goodness
18:32 libsysguy       but I didn't believe them :p
18:32 libsysguy       well that is exactly what I read on debian-administration
18:31 libsysguy       oh?
18:31 jcamins         libsysguy: you just have to use dh-make-perl
18:30 libsysguy       module -> http://search.cpan.org/~colinsc/Business-Edifact-Interchange-0.03/lib/Business/Edifact/Interchange.pm
18:30 libsysguy       anybody around that could help me package up a cpan module to include in koha-common?
18:28 * jcamins       tried to be optimistic.
18:26 rangi           source reports 3.8.5 too
18:26 * rangi         looks
18:25 jcamins         rangi: maybe a typo?
18:24 rangi           wrt that tweet
18:24 rangi           i hope the security fixes from 3.8.6 were backported
18:24 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8246 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete
18:24 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
18:24 wahanui         i heard 3.8.5 was on schedule, i really want bug 8251 and bug 8246
18:24 rangi           3.8.5 ??
18:23 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  February 2013 Upgrade Issues and New Features http://t.co/4mj0yRgz"
18:23 oleonard        Wow, nice!
18:22 rangi           i have that aliased to git sh
18:22 rangi           git show --word-diff=color
18:21 rangi           try this
18:20 * mtompset      thinks git show rocks. :)
18:19 jcamins         Ah!
18:15 rangi           git show b09836f252ef4f4119a462fcb023af08cd90629a
18:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8614 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Icon for scores on OPAC detail page broken
18:15 rangi           bug 8614
18:14 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , famfamfam should be outside theme directory
18:14 jcamins         The last comment was Paul saying he thought it should be kept for 3.10 only, and git log does not show bug 8624 in kc/3.8.x.
18:13 tcohen          95b4f31f
18:13 rangi           its pre nov 2012
18:12 jcamins         That patch doesn't seem to be in 3.8.x.
18:12 jcamins         rangi: what's weird is I can't see when the files got moved.
18:12 rangi           cool
18:11 tcohen          i did  big grep
18:11 rangi           the patch only changes marc21
18:11 rangi           tcohen: did you check unimarc and normarc too?
18:07 jcamins         Sounds good.
18:07 tcohen          jcamins, I attached a patch, obsolete it if rangi tells otherthing should be done, otherwise, use it. regards
18:05 jcamins         But that's the reason for max(abs(barcode)) instead of one of the other two options.
18:05 jcamins         gerundio: right... max and abs are almost certainly the wrong things to use anyway.
18:04 gerundio        so max and abs return strange results
18:04 gerundio        jcamins, just to add confusion to the subject, the barcode column is a varchar(20)
17:54 jcamins         tcohen: I'd like to ask rangi about that.
17:54 tcohen          jcamins: should i patch the xsl files?
17:54 gerundio        jcamins, hmmm, does it make sense to use negative barcodes?
17:54 mtompset        rangi++ # nice reply email regarding the first step required before providing suggestions.
17:54 tcohen          hi mtompset
17:53 mtompset        Greetings, tcohen and jcamins. :)
17:53 jcamins         Right... I'm not sure how that got into 3.8, actually.
17:52 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , famfamfam should be outside theme directory
17:52 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
17:52 tcohen          bug 8624
17:52 jcamins         gerundio: max(abs(barcode)) makes more sense because it ensures that you have the absolute largest number regardless of sign.
17:51 * oleonard      sends more beer to RMaint to compensate
17:51 gerundio        shouldn't it be "select abs(max(barcode)) from items" instead or simply "select max(barcode) from items"?
17:51 tcohen          oleonard: too much beer for the RMaint?
17:50 gerundio        using max(abs()) returns strange results
17:50 gerundio        in the script that generates the incremental barcode value we have the following query to get the biggest value: "select max(abs(barcode)) from items"
17:50 oleonard        I think so tcohen, but I can't imagine why
17:50 gerundio        got a MySQL trick question
17:50 gerundio        good afternoon, long time :D
17:49 tcohen          maybe some xslt patch should be backported too, and was missed
17:48 jcamins         Now I'm confused.
17:48 oleonard        You're right
17:48 jcamins         Unless I have it backwards?
17:48 jcamins         oleonard: no, I think the famfamfam move was backported from 3.10.
17:48 * oleonard      guesses an XSLT patch backported from 3.10?
17:48 * jcamins       will not be telling you that any time soon.
17:47 tcohen          in production
17:47 tcohen          until *someone* tells on IRC that 3.10 is being used
17:47 tcohen          we are still on 3.8.x here
17:47 jcamins         tcohen++
17:47 jcamins         Thanks!
17:47 * oleonard      sees the same problem in 3.8.x
17:47 tcohen          i'll attach a patch then
17:47 jcamins         Right.
17:46 tcohen          so the problem is the XSLT's and not them being moved
17:46 tcohen          ok
17:46 jcamins         I think I did that.
17:46 tcohen          (you did it, right? :D)
17:46 tcohen          those famfam images where moved to lib/
17:45 tcohen          oleonard, looks like the same problem
17:45 jcamins         oleonard: unless there's actually a broader problem, and it's not package-specific.
17:44 tcohen          the problem is with the images path in the XSLT
17:44 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9502 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9
17:44 oleonard        Oh, well then Bug 9502 isn't it.
17:44 tcohen          no, standard install oleonard
17:44 oleonard        Installed via packages tcohen?
17:44 wahanui         Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
17:44 jcamins         Never mind.
17:44 jcamins         Wow.
17:44 jcamins         ...
17:43 jcamins         And the solution is almost certainly "tell your librarians to fill in the 008 correctly."
17:43 tcohen          http://famaf.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=spivak
17:43 wahanui         somebody said the problem was it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
17:43 jcamins         tcohen: what's the problem?
17:43 tcohen          i'm about to fill a bug otherwise
17:43 tcohen          have you heard of it?
17:43 tcohen          but I have a problem with 3.8.x, in the opac results page
17:42 tcohen          there are several bugs related to staff interface, using default XSLT
17:42 tcohen          have a question regarding material type icons
17:41 cait            hi tcohen :)
17:41 tcohen          hi cait
17:32 libsysguy       indeed
17:32 jcamins         It sure did.
17:32 oleonard        Boy, code.google.com sure got its ass kicked by GitHub
17:26 oleonard        Good, I see jsTree has an upgraded version
17:20 jcamins         Ah.
17:20 oleonard        There are one or two places in acquisitions that uses it... Fancy tooltips
17:20 jcamins         What's qtip do?
17:19 oleonard        jquery.textarea-expander.js?
17:18 * oleonard      starts making notes in addition to talking to himself
17:18 oleonard        we'll have to replace the qtip plugin too...
17:16 oleonard        But at least it has an upgraded version, unlike tablesorter
17:16 oleonard        We'll need to upgrade the datatables plugin too. We're several versions behind.
17:12 jcamins         Oh well. I will worry about making my shortcuts work when the tinyMCE editor is not selected after I've made saving work _in_ TinyMCE.
17:11 oleonard        That's one of the reasons for all the DataTables patches from me
17:11 jcamins         The latest release was less than a month ago, too.
17:11 oleonard        Several of our plugins (including tablesorter) use it
17:11 jcamins         Hm.
17:10 oleonard        jquery.hotkeys uses a property ($.browser) which has been deprecated since jQuery 1.3 and removed in 1.9
17:10 drojf           wait, there is missing backwards compatability with jquery updates? i'm shocked
17:09 rambutan        sometimes wahanui is more trouble than she's worth
17:09 drojf           hm. that is bad for a feature that possibly nobody uses. on the other hand, i bet there is this one library that hates computer mice and barcode scanners that only checks out that way
17:09 jcamins         jquery.hotkeys doesn't work with the latest jQuery?
17:08 wahanui         i guess Wait, is it only in items?
17:08 jcamins         Wait, what?
17:08 oleonard        I'm thinking about it because the jQuery plugin to make them possible is one which blocks our upgrade to the latest version of jQuery
17:06 oleonard        http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/circfaq.html#keyboardshort
17:06 drojf           wow. i definitely never knew that
17:06 jcamins         I'm having some problems capturing Ctrl-Enter, though.
17:05 oleonard        Sorry, Alt-U to check out
17:05 oleonard        Alt-Q to check out, Alt-R to check in, Alt-Q to Search
17:04 oleonard        I think a long long time ago we had visual indicators in the interface indicating them
17:04 drojf           is that documented in the manual? or is that more a thing that web developers find when cleaning the code?
17:03 * jcamins       didn't know there were.
17:03 drojf           i don't think i knew about them :)
17:02 * oleonard      wonders if people really use the js-driven keyboard shortcuts in Koha
17:00 kf              bye all :)
16:33 drojf           you didn't wish loud enough :)
16:30 kf              :)
16:30 kf              oleonard: exactly!
16:29 oleonard        When she wished it
16:29 drojf           ?
16:29 drojf           when was i supposed toß
16:29 drojf           huh?
16:29 kf              drojf: of course... now you show up
16:29 drojf           aaaw
16:28 jcamins         drojf: I'm not doing anything with SRU in Zebra.
16:28 drojf           jcamins: while fixing sru in zebra, can you add json output? thanks! :)
16:19 jcamins         Yay!
16:19 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master
16:19 magnuse         jcamins: the package building at least finnished and left me with some .deb files after i applied the patches from Bug 9592 :-)
16:18 rambutan        Yea, for anything personal, and all _my_ computers at work it's only Linux. But at the library the users can only use Windows, and my duty is to support them.
16:15 Dyrcona         Ah, don't mind me. Didn't read far enough back. :)
16:15 Dyrcona         rambutan: Why bother? Just use GNU/Linux on your desktop. I do.
16:11 rambutan        Actually, now that you wound me up, I wish they would port KDE to run as a windowing shell on top of the Win OS.
16:10 rambutan        ...and that primarily as a sys admin
16:10 rambutan        Win is insecure by design. If anyone wishes to use Windows, IMHO they should accept that. My statement was simply my desire for increased functionality when I have to use Windows.
16:07 oleonard        rambutan: isn't that one of the things that made earlier versions of IE so insecure?
16:07 reiveune        bye
16:06 rambutan        I wish something like Konqueror was available on Win (file manager + browser).
15:43 magnuse         or written by different divisions that don't talk to each other...
15:42 oleonard        A browser written by the same guys who wrote the OS it runs on... Shouldn't it at the very least be fast?
15:41 magnuse         beware of the dark side, they have um... terrible tools
15:41 kf              oleonard: agreed
15:41 kf              ts, drofj is never around when youneed him.
15:41 jcamins         It is indeed.
15:41 jcamins         Heh.
15:40 oleonard        It's just. So. Awful.
15:40 oleonard        I should have learned by now, but my god IE is a terrible browser
15:35 * magnuse       runs build-git-snapshot again
15:35 oleonard        Bootstrap: http://www.screencast.com/t/8oGFTTZPK
15:35 oleonard        jQueryUI: http://www.screencast.com/t/2kYLbtFvmBg
15:35 oleonard        Looks like the differences between jQueryUI and Bootstrap tooltips are mostly cosmetic. The code is almost identical.
15:26 Dyrcona         [off] Windows...... [snickers]
15:25 oleonard        [off] I guess that is a bright side jcamins
15:24 jcamins         [off] at least they knew to try some troubleshooting and report what they'd done?
15:24 oleonard        [off] Perhaps this "turn it off and turn it back on" has gotten out of hand...
15:24 oleonard        [off] Tech support call: "I couldn't log in to the web site, so I turned off the computer and turned it back on and it still doesn't work"
15:23 magnuse         it's been a long time since i built packages - didn't need to for all of 3.8.x
15:22 magnuse         ah, that looks promising, perhaps
15:21 jcamins         Exactly what I am not sure.
15:21 jcamins         Something to do with --othermirror
15:21 jcamins         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages
15:20 magnuse         i did apt upgrade and dist-upgrade, but nothing to tell pbuilder about any new koha dependencies
15:20 jcamins         I always have trouble with that.
15:20 magnuse         or i'm missing the right command for updating inside pbuilder...
15:19 jcamins         It fixes several of those, but it sounds like you're missing the squeeze-dev repo in your pbuilder environment.
15:18 magnuse         jcamins: i get a lot of dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libanyevent-http-perl libanyevent-perl libauthen-cas-client-perl - is that the sort of thing that 9592 will fix?
15:17 * magnuse       does not expect jcamins to think of everything, all the time ;-)
15:17 magnuse         we'll see :-)
15:17 magnuse         ah, cool
15:17 jcamins         And you can confirm it works. :)
15:16 jcamins         Sorry I didn't think of it sooner, but if the build fails again, that patch is known to fix it.
15:16 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master
15:16 jcamins         Your life will be made much easier by applying bug 9592 first.
15:16 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
15:16 magnuse         bug 9250 was the plan
15:16 magnuse         jcamins: trying to...
15:16 jcamins         magnuse: oh, wait... are you signing off on things?
15:15 * magnuse       runs build-git-snapshot again
15:13 Dyrcona         "If" I get to it?
15:11 magnuse         hehe, don't we all ;-)
15:11 jcamins         And by "shortly" I mean "when I get to it."
15:11 magnuse         yay
15:11 jcamins         *push
15:11 jcamins         There's a patch for master to do that which I will do shortly.
15:10 magnuse         nice
15:10 magnuse         ah
15:10 jcamins         If you're rolling your own packages, you can just remove them from the control file.
15:10 jcamins         Well, libdigest-jhash-perl and the CHI packages are entirely unnecessary.
15:10 magnuse         (i'm inside pbuilder in a vm)
15:10 magnuse         any workarounds?
15:09 magnuse         the multiarch thing that i know nothing about?
15:09 jcamins         i386 vs. amd64
15:09 magnuse         dang
15:09 jcamins         magnuse: it's a architecture thing.
15:07 magnuse         huh? "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdigest-jhash-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 but it is not installable" i'm on perl v5.14.2
14:38 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "Découvrez le service Biblio+ pour enrichir l'OPAC de Koha, téléchargement disponible le 14.02.2013 #koha #kohails"
14:34 * magnuse       hopes to make it to reno...
14:34 * kf            had a great time with oleonard there too
14:33 kf              biblibre++
14:29 oleonard        biblibre++
14:29 oleonard        Indeed.
14:29 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
14:29 * magnuse       preps his vm for taking a stab at testing bug 9250
14:28 magnuse         biblibre++
14:28 magnuse         awww...
14:27 oleonard        I had a great time and it kills me I can't be there this year
14:27 oleonard        yes, thanks to paul_p's (and Biblibre's) generous sponsorship
14:26 magnuse         ah, you were there last year?
14:26 magnuse         oleonard: w00t! fingers crossed
14:26 oleonard        magnuse: Then we'll test my theory that only one of us can be in Marseille at the same time ;)
14:25 oleonard        Sadly no magnuse. I'm going to try really hard to swing it next year.
14:25 magnuse         oleonard: yep, will you? :-)
14:19 huginn          kf: The operation succeeded.
14:19 kf              @later tell drojf - ping me when you are around?
14:15 oleonard        I haven't tried Bootstrap's typeahead, so I can't say anything about it. I would pick jQueryUI's in Koha because we already use it.
14:14 kf              jcamins: scandalous!
14:14 jcamins         I'm working on  a non-Koha project right now.
14:14 jcamins         oleonard: in general.
14:14 oleonard        jcamins: In Koha?
14:14 kf              oleonard++ :)
14:14 jcamins         oleonard: do you know of any reason to choose jQueryUI's autocomplete over Bootstrap's typeahead or vice versa?
14:10 * oleonard      gets the jQuery tooltip widget working, after a bit of a struggle
14:07 Dyrcona         gmcharlt: Why can't Evergreen have hackfests in Marseilles? :p
14:07 oleonard        You'll be at the hackfest in Marseille this year magnuse?
13:33 kf              oleonard: :)
13:30 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons
13:30 oleonard        Anyone who missed it before: We are seeking opinions on Bug 8662
13:24 magnuse         yup
13:23 drojf           it's good that we talked that over
13:20 magnuse         ah
13:19 oleonard        I dunno.
13:19 magnuse         yea, oleonard?
13:19 oleonard        So, #koha.
13:03 Herwig          Hey Koha
12:34 kf              there might not even be something to be done, but it's on my list to check
12:34 jcamins         I suppose.
12:34 kf              yeah, you can say no :)
12:34 kf              jcamins_away: fixing the german installer is like... writing the manual... documentation ... right? ;)
12:30 kf              and of course QA
12:30 kf              adding new things to the sample files and the like
12:30 kf              hope to fix some bugs and maybe the german installer
12:30 * magnuse       will concentrate on that
12:29 kf              jcamins_away: especially that :)
12:28 jcamins_away    And particularly testing, QAing, and fixing. :)
12:28 kf              only joking :) really looking forward to a week of koha development
12:28 kf              well.... ;)
12:28 kf              hehe
12:27 magnuse         mohaha ;-)
12:27 * paul_p        hope he's not trusted only for food questions ;-)
12:26 * magnuse       trusts paul_p in questions of food :-)
12:25 kf              we trust you to feed us well I guess :)
12:25 kf              I loved the lebanon one too - but not sure what's doable :)
12:25 paul_p          magnuse & kf = well the "lunch" tab is mostly the 2012 one. For sure we will have one cheese lunch, but still undecided for other lunches.
12:25 ambars          happy to hear that :)
12:24 paul_p          ambars and indian ppl are definetly nice people, always willing to help !
12:24 paul_p          ambars yes, Delhi is a wonderfull city (even if I've 45mn-1H driving from hotel to conf center twice a day. Well that makes me see what is real India :D )
12:23 magnuse         but a bit hard to organize with lots and lots of people, perhaps?
12:23 kf              i think the workshops list needs updating a bit :) but apart from that I hope it's up to date
12:22 magnuse         kf: yeah, the "asian" lunch was nice
12:22 ambars          paul_p: i see... hope you're having fun in delhi :)
12:22 magnuse         guess so...
12:22 kf              magnuse: heh
12:22 drojf           heh you missed the important part
12:22 magnuse         kf: gah, i never looked beyond the first sheet in the spreadsheet...
12:21 * magnuse       loves all kinds of cheese
12:20 kf              but I was missing the buffet on the beach a little bit on thursday
12:20 kf              magnuse: there was some lunch plan in the hackfest google docs
12:20 drojf           brunost is not real cheese :D
12:20 * magnuse       loves cheese
12:20 magnuse         i might be?
12:20 magnuse         hehe
12:19 drojf           i guess i am not very french
12:17 drojf           (one reason i cannot come :P)
12:17 drojf           i bet there will be cheese all day, every day
12:15 * magnuse       hopes there will be cheese for lunch in marseille this year too, btw :-)
12:14 paul_p          ambars nope, I'm (very) french, I'm just in Delhi for a week for ICAL2013 conference
12:13 kf              paul_p++ for being a very french world traveller .)
12:13 kf              very french... nicely said :)
12:13 drojf           "very" french? :)
12:13 magnuse         ambars: paul_p is very french, he just happens to be in india at the moment :-)
12:12 * ambars        is from bangalore
12:12 ambars          paul_p: are you from india?
12:10 magnuse         [off] yay ;-)
12:10 paul_p          [off] magnuse a very nice time speaking with Marshall (Breeding), speaking about Koha history & LL & all this crap. He is really aware of all the history ;-)
12:10 * magnuse       gets curious ;-)
12:08 wahanui         i heard logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
12:08 kf              logs?
12:08 kf              [off] that should not be recorded
12:08 kf              yes
12:07 paul_p          magnuse to say something not recorded by the bot, it's [OFF] at the beginning, right ?
12:06 magnuse         paul_p: any koha action in india today? ;-)
11:56 kf              namaste paul_p
11:56 paul_p          namaste magnuse ;-)
11:55 magnuse         namaste paul_p
11:37 kf              back
11:37 * kf            waves
11:37 kf              galen says soemthing like that in the other bugt too
11:37 kf              it does
11:34 gaetan_B        which means this comes from zebra i guess
11:34 gaetan_B        thanks magnuse this must be the same problem
10:52 ambars          awesome, thanks!
10:50 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9522 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha returns &lt, &gt, etc in the record instead of <, >, etc when fulfilling a Z39.50 request
10:50 magnuse         gaetan_B, kf: bug 9522 sounds similar to what you were talking about earlier too, perhaps?
10:47 drojf           ambars: https://github.com/dpavlin/Biblio-Z3950
10:45 huginn          drojf: The operation succeeded.
10:45 drojf           @later tell slef …only find 3
10:45 huginn          drojf: The operation succeeded.
10:45 drojf           @later tell slef what happened to the kohacon videos? i can only find  on archive.org?
10:44 drojf           there should be a video
10:42 * ambars        checks out the slides
10:41 drojf           you might want to take a look at dpavlins slides from kohacon http://www.slideshare.net/dpavlin/this-is-an-interesting-metadata-source-can-i-import-it-into-koha
10:39 ambars          I bet such an approach wouldn't be able to retrieve a minimal sufficient set of MARC parameters, right?
10:38 ambars          Are you aware of any attempts at scraping/getting book information from Amazon or the Google Books APIs or some other programmatic approach?
10:37 ambars          lol cool
10:35 drojf           also i heard of people that actually love cataloguing in MARC, they would do it too ;)
10:34 drojf           that depends. i think z39.50 i used a lot, but there are not servers available for everything. it also depends on cataloguing guidelines. if you have very strict rules to match, you might want to do it manually too
10:33 ambars          I guess it's unavoidable for some very old books that we have in our collection... they don't seem to have MARC records in any of the (few) servers that I tried so far...
10:32 ambars          Is it typical to create MARC records manually? There are so many fields to fill in!
10:31 ambars          I see. Cool.
10:30 drojf           you might want to ask on the mailing list for other koha libraries in india. i think there are a lot, maybe they can give you more advice on sources for the data you need
10:29 drojf           if not, no way
10:28 drojf           ambars: there has to be a marc record available for that. so someone must have created it
10:28 drojf           if there is some kind of index that lists all indian books (like a national library) but does not offer z39.59, you could try to write some script to grab the data for those books you dont get otherwise
10:28 ambars          The librarian has a goal of being able to scan the bar code off a book and auto-magically getting the MARC record for importing... is that available or even feasible? :)
10:26 ambars          and the same number of records.
10:26 ambars          About 1000 - 2000 books
10:26 ambars          drojf: thanks, yes I tried that. I added a few z39.50 servers that are more relevant to our library (Indian books, hence I added 2 Indian z39.50 servers). This helped get better results in the search, but there are still several gaps.
10:24 drojf           for us it is importing stuff from another database. i have never done that from scratch. how many records are we talking about?
10:24 drojf           hm. you might be needing different z39.50 servers (that carry the things you have in your collection)
10:23 ambars          I have no experience with cataloging, so what it the typical way to create a catalog?
10:22 ambars          We're looking to import catalog entries somehow. I have tried out the z39.50 search, and it works for some books. I'm looking for a way to search and import MARC records given an ISBN number (that I can scan from the bar code).
10:22 ashimema        oops
10:22 drojf           lol. using @ confuses the bot ;)
10:22 huginn          ashimema: I suck
10:22 ashimema        @ambars: good luck..
10:21 drojf           ambars: that's cool
10:21 ambars          Greetings! I'm just getting started with koha for a small new library. I've installed koha and am playing around with it. The library does not yet have a catalog and we have to build it from scratch.
10:19 ashimema        The results are of a completely different format to those of the old chr indexing.. just wondered if that's actualyl right.
10:18 alohabot        Hi mib_q6munk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
10:18 ashimema        anyone useing the sru server with DOM indexing?
10:18 ashimema        quick question for people...
10:18 kf              ok, now really afk :)
10:18 kf              aah
10:18 sophie_m        yes kf, but as you said, I think the patch to correct ampersand has broken <>
10:17 kf              sophie_m: from looking at it it might only have fixed the &?
10:16 kf              sophie_m++ :)
10:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml
10:15 sophie_m        oups Bug 3326 gaetan_B
10:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3323 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, nahuel.angelinetti, CLOSED FIXED, Reserves in issuing rules
10:15 sophie_m        gaetan_B: Bug 3323 deals with your pb
10:09 gaetan_B        ok thanks kf, that should help :)
10:06 kf              bbiab
10:05 kf              hope I make some sense here...
10:01 kf              I think it's probably something to do with not being able to use < > and & in XML?
10:00 kf              I think the replace is not clever, it replaces all ampersands, so if there is already an entity in the output, it gets broken
10:00 kf              in the source code it looked something like: &amp;lt because it was already an entity and the & was replaced by mistake
10:00 gaetan_B        but what you added comes before that line, so would it really make a difference ?
09:59 * kf            tries to remember
09:59 kf              but it breaks the < > at the same time
09:59 kf              it fixes the &
09:59 kf              yes
09:59 gaetan_B        *the
09:59 gaetan_B        my assumption was the line $xmlrecord =~ s/\& /\&amp\; /; was teh one causing the problem
09:58 gaetan_B        i see
09:57 kf              gaetan_B: not sure if this is the best way to fix it - but they haven't had any other complaints since :) http://paste.koha-community.org/391
09:57 kf              and I think I copied it from some other place... but not sure where from
09:56 kf              becuase the sequence was the problem
09:56 kf              I made a change to XSLT.pm
09:56 kf              ok
09:55 gaetan_B        kf: i definitely have a second for this :)
09:55 kf              gaetan_B: we have one with manuscripts and they make use of < a lot
09:54 kf              gaetan_B: do you have a second? I think I fixed this in one of our installations
09:54 magnuse         sophie_m: yay!
09:54 kf              :)
09:53 sophie_m        kf magnuse : ich freue mich auch :-)
09:50 gaetan_B        maybe there's a better solution
09:50 gaetan_B        but i'm wondering why we do it in the first place
09:50 gaetan_B        we could fix this quickly by not sending this parameter for displaying results
09:49 gaetan_B        (this could possibly affect other characters)
09:49 gaetan_B        which are then rendered as &lt: and &gt; on results pages
09:49 gaetan_B        namely those containing the "<" and ">" characters
09:48 gaetan_B        this breaks the display for some records
09:48 gaetan_B        is there a reason for this ?
09:48 gaetan_B        on the result page we send "1" for the fixampersand parameter, but we don't send anything for this parameter on the detail page
09:47 gaetan_B        the XSLTParse4Display function is called with different parameters
09:47 gaetan_B        namely
09:47 gaetan_B        xslt are handled differently on the results and detail page
08:52 drojf           lol
08:33 magnuse         heh, pure luck!
08:32 kf              correct german in the morning
08:32 kf              magnuse++ :)
08:31 magnuse         wir freuen uns!
08:27 kf              ganz gut :) freue mich schon auf marseille :)
08:27 gaetan_B        hallo kf :) wie geht's?
08:27 kf              hi gaetan_B
08:21 gaetan_B        hello
08:16 kf              hi magnuse :)
08:16 magnuse         kia ora kf!
08:05 drojf           good morning france ;)
08:00 wahanui         hi, reiveune
08:00 reiveune        hello
07:52 cait            hmpf hmpf :)
07:50 drojf           congratulations :)
07:50 cait            and have to go now - bbl :)
07:50 cait            hmpf
07:50 cait            i win..
07:47 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.5°C (8:43 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
07:47 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
07:46 drojf           hi cait
07:46 cait            hi drojf
07:46 cait            still snow here
07:45 drojf           good morning #koha
07:35 magnuse         ;-)
07:35 magnuse         hah!
07:35 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.2°C (8:30 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
07:35 magnuse         @wunder konstanz
07:35 magnuse         forecast says we will get +4 on sunday...
07:34 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse         @wunder boo
07:34 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse         @wunder marseille
07:30 cait            bonjour :)
07:29 laurence        hell magnuse
07:29 alex_a          hello magnuse
07:29 magnuse         bonjour alex_a et laurence
07:22 wahanui         salut, alex_a
07:22 alex_a          Bonjour
07:01 dcook           Cheers!
07:01 dcook           Anyway, I'm off for the night
06:53 dcook           :p
06:45 * magnuse       remembers back to the hard old days before git bz... ;-)
06:44 dcook           I really need to sign off on more patches...it took me ages to remember how to do 9545 with git bz
06:44 * magnuse       waves
06:19 cait            morning
06:18 dcook           Hey cait
06:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9603 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE
06:04 dcook           Bug 9603 has a lot of insertions/deletions, but most of those are actually just whitespace changes. There should only be a few deleted fieldset/li elements, and inserted ol elements...
04:52 dcook           No longer shall users of IE cringe to look at you...in this particular context...
04:52 dcook           Take that, IE!
04:52 * dcook         has vanquished the edit-layout template of the Patron Card Creator.
04:26 dcook           Correction: super weird
04:26 dcook           Ok, maybe IE is weird :p
04:02 * jcamins       calls it a night.
04:02 jcamins         ^^ that's what I'd suggest.
04:02 cjh             although it may be possible with a browser plugin
04:01 jcamins         vkm: so far as I know that has not actually been implemented, no.
04:01 cjh             sorry, already*
04:00 cjh             vkm: your language may alrady be supported in Koha, have a look at http://translate.koha-community.org/
03:58 vkm             Hello dear all is it possible to implement googletransliteration in koha staff client so that i can feed entry in local language during cataloguing?
03:52 wizzyrea        see above.
03:52 wahanui         OK, eythian
03:52 eythian         wahanui: be rangi =~ s/There/<reply>There/
03:52 wizzyrea        you bot whisperer you
03:52 wizzyrea        gotya
03:51 eythian         yep
03:51 wizzyrea        oh so we would have to say <reply> there's a bug for that
03:51 wahanui         i think be rangi is There's a bug for that
03:51 eythian         wahanui: be rangi
03:51 wahanui         Send a patch!
03:51 eythian         wahanui: be rangi
03:51 eythian         it's random
03:51 wizzyrea        is also doesn't seem to work
03:51 eythian         yep
03:51 wizzyrea        can you tell the ones that are <reply> to have more than one reply?
03:50 wizzyrea        ha
03:50 eythian         it was too short to record.
03:50 wizzyrea        doesn't work anyway :)
03:50 eythian         no, that didn't work
03:50 wizzyrea        x?
03:49 wizzyrea        now there is mysterious knowledge there.
03:49 wizzyrea        there.
03:49 wizzyrea        x is 42
03:49 wizzyrea        you have the log ^.^
03:49 eythian         but that was an also, so there may have been mysterious knowledge hidden in that factoid.
03:49 wahanui         Send a patch!
03:49 wizzyrea        be rangi
03:49 wahanui         Send a patch!
03:49 wizzyrea        be rangi
03:48 wahanui         okay, wizzyrea.
03:48 wizzyrea        be rangi is also There's a bug for that
03:48 wahanui         wizzyrea: I forgot x
03:48 wizzyrea        forget x
03:48 eythian         oh well
03:48 eythian         err
03:48 wahanui         okay, eythian.
03:48 eythian         X is also Y
03:48 eythian         "also"
03:48 wizzyrea        eythian: what's the magic to have wahanui give one of a number of responses
03:47 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #206: "There's a bug for that" (added by chrisc at 11:55 PM, May 24, 2012)
03:47 wizzyrea        @quote random
03:46 wizzyrea        that would be the sort of thing where I'd do it, and it would either spam the channel, at which point I'd run away giggling, or do nothing. And I'd have to sulk.
03:46 wizzyrea        decides against it.
03:46 * wizzyrea      ponders @quote get all
03:46 wizzyrea        GET ALL OF THEM.
03:45 cjh             all the quotes
03:45 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010)
03:45 wizzyrea        @quote random
03:45 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010)
03:45 wizzyrea        @quote random
03:45 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #163: "<oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it." (added by wizzyrea at 08:05 PM, November 10, 2011)
03:45 wizzyrea        @quote random
03:45 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
03:45 wizzyrea        @quote random
03:45 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #131: "oleonard Yeah, huginn. Perv." (added by Brooke at 04:09 PM, May 04, 2011)
03:45 wizzyrea        @quote random
03:45 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010)
03:45 wizzyrea        @quote random
03:34 jcamins         I have a brilliant solution to my problem, and the javascript events are happening in the wrong order.
03:34 jcamins         Grr.
03:32 huginn          gmcharlt: Quote #112: "gmcharlt: only superlibrarians can be trusted with capes" (added by wizzyrea at 09:17 PM, December 15, 2010)
03:32 gmcharlt        @quote random
03:30 eythian         E for effort
03:28 wizzyrea        it works
03:27 bag             test
02:34 * dcook         will fix it after lunch
02:34 dcook           rangi: Looks like edit.layout.tt has some bad extra markup and IE doesn't like nested list elements without list start/end tags. While I want to blame IE, I suppose that does make a certain amount of sense :p
02:16 cjh             wizzyrea++
02:15 libsysguy       okay server gone
02:14 jcamins         Looks like the documentation is good, but the link on the home page is wrong.
02:14 jcamins         Oh, wait.
02:13 libsysguy       i feel the same way about indexdata
02:13 jcamins         Incidentally, the documentation for tinymce is rather disappointing.
02:10 libsysguy       excellent
02:10 * libsysguy     considers deleting my atlassian box for Koha
02:10 jcamins         Well done. &#8203; did it.
02:10 libsysguy       did you try the link?
02:09 * libsysguy     goes to talk to Harry Potter
02:09 jcamins         I already have an element. The problem is that elements with no character data can't be typed in.
02:09 jcamins         wizzyrea: except I can't type in an invisible span either.
02:09 libsysguy       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_space
02:09 wizzyrea        well an invisible span would do.
02:08 libsysguy       &#8203;
02:08 jcamins         So since I can't do that, the next best thing is to have an invisible space that allows me to type inside the tags.
02:08 eythian         I don't know of HTML having a zero-width space
02:08 * dcook         has a similar problem perhaps
02:08 wizzyrea        oh. no idea.
02:08 jcamins         Yet.
02:07 jcamins         What I want is to open a tag and not close it.
02:07 jcamins         No, I don't want invalid markup.
02:07 libsysguy       maybe he's writing test files?
02:07 wizzyrea        and you would want to do this because...
02:07 jcamins         Work around the fact that I can't force TinyMCE to generate invalid markup.
02:07 wahanui         "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
02:07 wizzyrea        the first question?
02:07 wizzyrea        yea, the first question
02:06 libsysguy       what are you trying to do?
02:06 wizzyrea        like an invisible span?
02:06 jcamins         libsysguy: that's visible.
02:06 libsysguy       I think
02:06 libsysguy       &nbsp;
02:05 jcamins         Does HTML have an invisible space?
01:55 dcook           bag: :p
01:55 libsysguy       ^^ talljoy
01:54 libsysguy       1) its always the data
01:54 bag             it's always IE :P
01:53 dcook           I think it might be bad markup and IE is just a lot less forgiving...
01:53 dcook           Hmm, actually it might not be IE
01:36 libsysguy       and what you have existing
01:35 libsysguy_phone I think its just a matter of preference
01:29 jcamins         So... anyone have any idea why I would use Bootstrap's typeahead instead of jQuery's autocomplete or vice versa?
01:25 dcook           True enough.
01:25 eythian         (especially the first patch that is, the second is fairly inconsequential for most people)
01:23 rangi           even that is 2 years old now
01:23 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master
01:23 eythian         jcamins: I've marked bug 9592 as passed QA, though I'd like it if you were to give it a bit of a look over too.
01:22 dcook           This is even in ie 9 :/
01:22 dcook           A lot of people I know have no choice
01:21 eythian         we strongly encourage it, though some people have no choice.
01:21 rangi           but anything except ie 8 or older
01:21 rangi           not just firefox or chrome
01:21 rangi           for the staff side yes
01:20 dcook           The patron card creator is an absolute disaster in IE
01:19 dcook           The ones who do not that is
01:19 dcook           Poor folks
01:16 jcamins         Well, there are a few I know who do not.
01:16 jcamins         Yes.
01:15 dcook           Does everyone else's clients really use Firefox and Chrome?
01:15 dcook           Although as we all know, it's IE that is junk not Koha...
01:15 dcook           If I were using IE to use Koha, I would think it was such a piece of junk
01:14 dcook           Patron card creator. *brain explodes*
01:08 jcamins         Yay!
01:06 eythian         jcamins: build succeeded with that patch.
00:58 * dcook         glares at IE
00:55 jcamins         No objection.
00:55 eythian         ah, papa. Just been talking about you.
00:55 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Package dependency updates for master
00:55 eythian         jcamins: any objection to including this on bug 9592? Or would you prefer its own bug?
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00:49 jcamins         None of the variables are used anywhere else.
00:49 jcamins         Move all that code into GetMemberAccountBalance.
00:46 eythian         do you remember where the fix for something similar is? I might see how that's done.
00:44 eythian         yeah, mine too
00:43 jcamins         What I don't know, though, is why the test passes on my server even with MySQL shut down.
00:42 eythian         ah right
00:41 jcamins         I didn't realize that Srdjan had done that on multiple patches.
00:41 jcamins         No.
00:40 eythian         so, is there a followup that fixes that somewhere?
00:40 jcamins         Yup.
00:39 eythian         we're hitting a syspref outside a sub
00:39 eythian         jcamins: ahh
00:39 wahanui         eythian: I forgot issue
00:39 eythian         wahanui: forget the issue
00:39 eythian         I don't see it
00:39 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error
00:39 wahanui         the issue is, like, the one described in bug 6997
00:39 eythian         what is the issue?
00:38 jcamins         That problem in another patch from Srdjan was fixed in a different follow-up.
00:37 jcamins         I see.
00:37 jcamins         Ohh.
00:37 jcamins         I could've sworn that was fixed in the follow-up.
00:36 jcamins         Wait...
00:36 jcamins         Right above GetMemberAccountBallance.
00:36 jcamins         I missed it when I pushed it.
00:36 jcamins         Oh, I see it.
00:32 eythian         I see no obvious reason for it to cause this problem though
00:31 eythian         jcamins: doesn't appear to, ce6f2cb74f78196e8d80a8b9acf27060e5fa09eb also fails
00:09 bag             ah it's fat tuesday
00:07 dcook           night, drojf
00:07 drojf           good night #koha