Time  Nick         Message
14:30 kf           hi oleonard :)
14:39 jcamins_away oleonard: incidentally, in case you were worrying about finding a javascript editor that supports arbitrary tags, it turns out you can do it with TinyMCE.
14:39 oleonard     I was up all night!
14:45 jcamins_away Have I commented recently on the extreme user unfriendliness of the CSV export?
14:47 oleonard     No, lay it on us jcamins_away
14:48 jcamins_away I am amazed every time I try to edit a CSV profile how unintuitive it is.
14:48 jcamins_away You're exporting a CSV...
14:48 jcamins_away so you use vertical pipes to separate entries?
14:48 jcamins_away Huh?
14:49 jcamins_away You have to fill in either ExportRemoveFields or ExportWithCsvProfile to export as ISO2709?
14:49 jcamins_away Huh?
14:49 jcamins_away If you want to create a CSV profile you have to look under tools?
14:49 jcamins_away Huh?
14:49 jcamins_away None of these things make the least bit of sense to me.
14:52 kf           I guess the qeustion is how to make it better ;)
14:52 kf           jcamins_away: I wnted to ask you to take a look at the dom patch from martin
14:52 drojf        i guess the question is who to make it better :P
14:52 kf           from the changed comments I think he reran the automatic creation and I am not sure now if that is good or bad
14:52 kf           and the any index seems a bit weird to me,?
14:53 jcamins_away kf: separate the entries with commas, make the ISO2709 export show up regardless (or add another syspref), and move the CSV profile editor to Administration.
14:53 jcamins_away If he reran the creation script, that's bad.
14:53 kf           jcamins_away: it's only a guess
14:53 kf           but since you know how it works... or at least you know most of it
14:53 kf           ....
14:54 kf           you might be able to give him some quick hints while I would have to learn all abourt how it works first :)
14:54 jcamins_away Yeah...
14:54 jcamins_away That's going to have to wait.
14:55 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9283' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f481d9259d889f74dd556e17ed6d4aa9a3a7f50a> / Bug 9283 - Change structure of export checkouts form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d68b8357d75cf2808d82a86ff5d6582403e6c51a> / Merge branch 'bug_9417' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f66162592
15:23 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @nengard: "Thank you all for your support, I was one of the People's Choice Awardees on http://t.co/UQNcwbsU http://t.co/M4ge3RD6 #kohails #opensource"
15:25 oleonard     Congratulations nengard
15:25 nengard      thanks :)
15:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1042: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1042/
15:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9451: Quiet warnings and Plackify borrower_stats.pl
15:27 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 9320 Pending reserves report should not show waiting items
15:27 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 9329: Wrong message for already expired cards
15:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9451 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , borrower_stats.pl gives off warnings and is not Plack-compatible
15:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9320 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Master , Pending reserves is showing reserves already waiting
15:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9329 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Wrong message for already expired cards
15:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #1043 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:28 jcamins_away \o/
15:36 oleonard     How's it going ryansipes?
15:37 ryansipes    oleonard: It's going pretty alright, how are you?
15:37 oleonard     I'm good. Seeing patches get pushed is always a good way to start the day.
15:49 oleonard     Dear Recorded Books: What the hell is with your web site?! (warning, auto-playing audio) http://www.recordedbooks.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=rb.home&library
15:50 oleonard     I was directed to look for their link to marketing materials, but couldn't find it because it was covered up by an old guy talking at me
15:53 nengard      jcamins bug 8733
15:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8733 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Adding critic reviews to book pages
15:53 nengard      I was going to document this, I have the preferences, but don't see the content when i turn them on
15:53 nengard      (i did when i tested it)
15:54 nengard      is there maybe an updatedatabase problem there?
16:03 jcamins      nengard: it seems to be working for me.
16:03 nengard      might be interaction with other prefs?
16:03 jcamins      [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=85532
16:03 jcamins      Do you have any script errors?
16:04 nengard      hmmm
16:04 nengard      let me look
16:04 nengard      no errors popping up - where/how would i check the logs?
16:04 jcamins      [off] They have not added nearly as much content as they said they were going to, so it's also quite possible that you don't have any books that are in their database.
16:04 nengard      I was looking at harry potter
16:05 jcamins      I don't think they have Harry Potter.
16:05 nengard      hmm okay
16:05 nengard      I'm going to search their site first
16:05 jcamins      [off] wtf? How can they not have Harry Potter yet?!?
16:06 nengard      [off] no clue ?
16:07 nengard      I'm searching Jodi Picoult in my catalog and theirs and it's in both, but I see nothing in my opac
16:07 nengard      hmmm
16:07 nengard      I did when I tested it ? like i said
16:07 jcamins      Hm.
16:07 jcamins      It might be that they do not have that particular ISBN in their database, though they were supposed to have fixed it so that all related ISBNs were listed as well.
16:07 nengard      hang on
16:07 nengard      i might have turned it off :) hehe
16:08 jcamins      Hehe.
16:08 jcamins      That would get in the way of it showing up.
16:08 nengard      okay it's on and not showing
16:08 nengard      I was toggling back and forth to try things out
16:08 nengard      my demo is a VM so I can't share a link, but can share a video after my webinar
16:08 nengard      not that it will help
16:08 nengard      I do have 2 tabs for holdings ?. if that matters
16:09 jcamins      It works for me with the two tabs.
16:09 reiveune1    bye
16:10 jcamins      If you could try downloading the record for Bossypants (ISBN 0316056863) from LC, we can check if it's a problem with the book or a problem with the script.
16:10 jcamins      Bah. I missed the bug number in the update message.
16:11 nengard      hmmm
16:11 nengard      it is showing on bossypatns
16:11 nengard      pants
16:11 nengard      I'll use that for the manual, but you should know that it's not working on all books
16:12 nengard      http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/search?q=picoult
16:12 nengard      I have all of them in my catalog
16:12 nengard      and none of them show the ratings
16:12 jcamins      Yeah, there are definitely a lot of ISBNs missing from their database.
16:12 jcamins      Also some serious encoding errors.
16:13 jcamins      On their site, not when the data is displayed in Koha.
16:13 nengard      I'll note that in the manual
16:21 oleonard     I love "git stash pop." So handy.
16:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #279 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 16 days ago)
16:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #279: STILL FAILING in 1 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/279/
16:22 jenkins_koha * nengard: add IDreamLibraries section
16:22 jenkins_koha * nengard: add tip about idreambooks having content limits
16:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1043: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1043/
16:34 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 9332: Display call number in "Holds waiting" notice
16:34 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 9417 - Allow number of results per page to be selectable for guided reports
16:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9283 - Change structure of export checkouts form
16:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9332 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Display call number in "Holds waiting" notice (checkout page)
16:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow number of results per page to be selectable for guided reports
16:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Change structure of export checkouts form
16:37 * oleonard   starts a patch fight on bug 9571
16:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9571 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Fix width for textareas in Edit Item screen
16:42 oleonard     It's way too early in the day for me to be trapped in the no-git cloud. Must be the bad weather.
16:54 mustard      Thesis: Koha should provide for space-limited online storage so that patrons can maintain notes about items in the library collection or other things. Notes relating to items should be linkable to those items.
17:08 * cait       waves from the train
17:08 * jcamins    waves back.
17:09 drojf        oh good, then it is not sunday already?!
17:10 jcamins      @wunder konstanz
17:10 huginn       jcamins: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.8°C (6:05 PM CET on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
17:10 jcamins      Warmer here.
17:13 oleonard     rambutan: Re: your thesis, see bug 813
17:13 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=813 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , OPAC virtual shelves should store comments
17:17 drojf        successfully transferred 200k files. let's do another 500k. my hoster will love me
17:18 khall        is patron searching messed up in master?
17:19 oleonard     Which patron search khall ?
17:19 khall        when I try using the letters on members-home.pl I get one results for 'a' and none for anything else
17:20 khall        even though my db has the default sample patrons
17:20 oleonard     Works for me khall
17:20 khall        odd
17:22 * khall      had IndependantBranches enabled! : )=
17:24 cait         hm #koha works, but reading bug mails does not ...
17:24 cait         meh.
17:35 oleonard     Thanks for the signoffs khall
17:35 oleonard     khall++
17:35 khall        np, great work!
17:38 cait1        :)
17:45 libsysguy    I think paul_p knows when I am looking for him
17:45 libsysguy    he always bounces out
17:46 oleonard     It's late for paul_p anyway libsysguy
17:46 libsysguy    no excuses :p
17:55 jcamins      gmcharlt: around?
18:03 jcamins      Okay, question for... anyone who might have an opinion.
18:05 jcamins      If I want to load a file of MARC records into a list of MARC::Record objects and possibly sort it, do we think I should use MARC::File::* or MARC::Batch?
18:09 jcamins      bug 4266
18:09 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4266 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Signed Off , encumbrance and expenditure not used in code
18:13 bag          jcamins MARC::Field I'd guess first?
18:14 jcamins      bag: The vote on #evergreen was for MARC::Batch, so I'll use that.
18:14 bag          whoops I read that wrong
18:14 bag          I read it as FIELD not FILE :P
18:14 jcamins      Yeah, I'm loading some files.
18:15 bag          right Batch sounds good to me too
18:15 * cait       waves
18:16 cait         have a nice weekend everyone!
18:28 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "RDA http://t.co/8MqgOiyd #kohails"
18:37 jcamins      I have a Perl question for the wisdom of #koha: I want to embed a fairly large string in a Perl script. I believe there is some way to do that which results in the string being at the end of the file.
18:37 jcamins      Does anyone know what that way is?
18:41 slef         like bash << EOF and then EOF at the end IIRC
18:41 slef         you could also look into the qq quoting
18:41 jcamins      slef: that requires the string to be in the middle of the file.
18:42 slef         ah but << EOF means the string is in the middle
18:42 slef         hmmm
18:42 slef         should befiled near those two on the perl man pages though ;)
18:42 slef         sorry gtg out... I'll ping back in a few hours (maybe 5)
18:42 jcamins      So long.
18:42 slef         please @later me if you find it
18:42 slef         else I'll try to remember tolook
18:43 slef         damn sure I've used it before
18:56 libsysguy    anybody around that I can bribe to take a look at the nginx installer?
19:06 Dyrcona      @later tell slef TIMTOWTDI: You could use a heredoc for your string, i.e, <<EOF\n.......\nEOF\n, (I do this all the time), mutililine quoting with qq/....../, or a __DATA__ section. I typically use the last for example or default data when my program can read from a file.
19:06 huginn       Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
19:07 jcamins      Dyrcona: ooh, how do you use an __DATA__ section?
19:07 jcamins      I think that's what I want.
19:09 jcamins      SelfLoader?
19:10 Dyrcona      jcamins: At the bottom of your file, you put a line that contains __DATA__
19:10 Dyrcona      jcamins: Below that you put your data.
19:11 jcamins      This sounds about my level of difficulty. :D
19:12 Dyrcona      jcamins: You can read the data in your program via the DATA filehandle: *DATA or <DATA>. If using strict, you might need <::DATA>.
19:13 Dyrcona      for instance: while(<DATA>) { do something with $_ }
19:15 Dyrcona      It's really handy for sample data to test your program.
19:16 jcamins      On the other hand, it just caused my head to explode and didn't work, so I'll use a heredoc.
19:18 Dyrcona      jcamins: __DATA__ is good as a sample file, and not so much for strings.
19:18 Dyrcona      I'll see if I have a decent example hanging around that I can paste.
19:19 jcamins      Dyrcona: that would be great, because the data I am including would arguably be better put in a different file, but I'd prefer not to.
19:20 jcamins      First rule of debugging: if you're using a system that doesn't have strict variable name checking, CHECK YOUR SPELLING!
19:25 jcamins      Hm. It looks like maybe the __DATA__ file is only usable for <DATA> not as a filehandle.
19:26 Dyrcona      jcamins: A simple example http://pastebin.com/g7KGHF3n
19:27 Dyrcona      jcamins: It also works like this $fh = *DATA; if ($ARGV[0]) {open($fh, $ARGV[0])}; while ($line = <$fh>) {....}
19:27 jcamins      Ohh.
19:28 jcamins      I understand now.
19:28 jcamins      Thanks.
19:28 Dyrcona      yw
19:28 jcamins      Very cool!
19:31 jcamins      Now I just have to figure out to add a binary to a CPAN dist.
19:31 jcamins      Oh, and write POD.
20:00 Morthland    Does the database record both the date AND time that a record is cataloged?
20:07 bag          well there is the timestamp in mysql - so yes
20:09 Morthland    Does the item search for the label creator use this? It seems like the items are listed by the exact time they are cataloged.
20:10 Morthland    Just playing around in the .pl, I was hoping to add a "Catologed after this Date and Time" option
20:10 Morthland    I program C, but I am a fish out of water here.
20:10 bag          heh
20:11 bag          well then I think you'd be more interested in looking at the acquistiondate in the item record
20:11 bag          one sec…
20:11 bag          here's the database - http://schema.koha-community.org/
20:12 oleonard     khall still around?
20:12 khall        yo
20:12 Morthland    That's what I figured. Let me take a look at that.
20:12 rangi        or the cataloguing action_log
20:12 oleonard     khall: In your test plan you say "Optionally, you can also verify this works even if patron issuing history has been set to anonymize issues upon return." Do you mean at the patron level via the OPAC?
20:13 khall        oleonard, can you give me the bug number?
20:13 oleonard     Sorry :/
20:13 oleonard     Bug 9011
20:13 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item
20:15 khall        oleonard, yes, that's exactly what I meant
20:15 oleonard     Thanks
20:16 khall        np!
20:26 gmcharlt     @quote random
20:26 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 01:11 PM, May 18, 2010)
20:33 jcamins      New version of Template::Plugin::MARC uploaded.
20:33 rangi        @quote random
20:33 huginn       rangi: Quote #208: "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." (added by jcamins at 03:01 PM, June 28, 2012)
20:43 oleonard     khall: Is an edit to koha-httpd.conf the only change required to test that aspect of Bug 7740?
20:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC
20:45 jcamins      oleonard: and restart Apache after changing the configuration file.
20:57 oleonard     Doesn't work for me, but I don't know if it's me or the patch...
20:58 oleonard     (the Apache config option only. The other aspect works fine)
21:01 * chris_n    looks around for slef
21:02 chris_n      @later tell slef do you know anything about these people: http://www.ovh.co.uk/ ?
21:02 huginn       chris_n: The operation succeeded.
21:07 sweil        English Wikipedia says Koha is GPLv3+. Should this be GPLv2+? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28software%29)
21:08 jcamins      No, the license is GPLv3+.
21:08 jcamins      Version 3.12 will have all the license statements changed.
21:08 sweil        There is a new article in the German Wikipedia. Maybe some experts want to review and improve it. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28Bibliothekssoftware%29.
21:09 jcamins      @later tell cait You might want to take a look at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28Bibliothekssoftware%29
21:09 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:09 sweil        jcamins: Then http://koha-community.org/about/ is misleading.
21:09 jcamins      sweil: if it says GPLv2+, then it definitely needs updating.
21:10 jcamins      @later tell wizzyrea Do you think you could please update the license listed on koha-community.org/about to reflect that Koha is GPLv3+?
21:10 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:10 * jcamins    delegates. :)
21:15 oleonard     Have a good weekend everyone
22:13 jcamins      Two versions of Template::Plugin::MARC in one day!
22:14 jcamins      Mostly because the first version I uploaded turned out to be broken.
22:16 jcamins      Believe it or not, preparing a release of a module for CPAN is actually as confusing as preparing a release of Koha.
22:22 * magnuse    trusts that jcamins handles both things well
22:23 magnuse      ...and wishes #koha a nice weekend
22:53 rambutan     jcamins, doing OK out there?
22:54 jcamins      rambutan: yeah, the snow/ice was pretty dramatic a bit earlier, but so far not too bad.
22:54 rambutan     supposed to be a historical snow/ice storm...
22:55 jcamins      Yeah, but I admit I'm having some doubts about it being all that.
22:55 jcamins      In 1996 we had so much snow in New Jersey that my friend and I excavated an igloo.
22:55 jcamins      And I discovered that I was incredibly claustrophobic.
22:55 jcamins      It made the igloo very disappointing.
22:56 rambutan     :)
22:57 rambutan     well, as long as you have plenty of red wine, potato chips and cat food it's the weekend...you can wait out the storm
22:59 jcamins      We do. :)
23:30 rambutan     http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57568443/massive-snowstorm-seen-from-space-in-satellite-photo/
23:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #61 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:56 slef         Hi. Finally figured out how to get back here:-)