Time  Nick             Message
23:41 dcook            Whoa...EOS International saw a lot of businesss in 2010 according to Library Journal.
23:33 rangi            excellent
23:33 bag              :)  she loves my phone - so I usually put that on the ground a few feet from her - she's learned how to roll to get to it
23:29 rangi            start putting things up higher :)
23:28 rangi            heh
23:28 bag              alright wahanui is pretty funny sometimes
23:28 wizzyrea         :)
23:28 bag              :P
23:28 bag              maybe we will have a crawler soon - that's worth 12.4 million IMO
23:28 bag              oh rangi - just got a text that ginny has started to tuck her knees under her - when doing tummy-time
23:27 wahanui          that's about the best idea i have ever heard
23:09 rangi            design by committee?
22:36 drojf            we could get several search rewrites for that kind of money :)
22:33 drojf            oh. i did not see that because i block third party servers by default. they should do fundraising for koha
22:20 rambutan         $334,000 obviously, now that I bother to read it.
22:17 rambutan         does the little clock graph indicate they have raised $340,000 already?
22:16 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @anomalily: "@gsl_rhcl @kohails Thanks for the link!"
22:01 drojf            :)
22:01 jeff             on their main page -- yep
22:01 drojf            http://www.openlayers.org/
22:00 jeff             oh, i see
22:00 jeff             where did you see the $350,000 figure?
22:00 drojf            yes i just saw that
21:59 jeff             huh. they already tried and failed to raise $20,000 a few months back.
21:57 drojf            »We are aiming to raise $350,000, to fully fund OpenLayers 3.0 in one shot.« for a javascript library? wow
21:55 wizzyrea         or smooth bits of hard earth
21:55 wizzyrea         :D
21:55 eythian          people are prone to drawing piers on his face?
21:55 drojf            lol
21:54 wizzyrea         >.>
21:54 wizzyrea         I think you should be grateful that it doesn't rhyme with socks.
21:52 drojf            instead of ducks ;)
21:51 wizzyrea         at least it was flowers this time.
21:50 drojf            thanks for drawing on my face with permanent marker. again.
21:49 drojf            and eventually i wake up on the couch, still too drunk to get home
21:47 wizzyrea         lately it's like a party, and once the party animal leaves the party shuts down :)
21:33 * jcamins_away   calls it a day and heads home.
21:30 jcamins_away     And a date.
21:30 jcamins_away     I'd prefer "USE" and "PRODUCTION"
21:30 libsysguy        a sound clip that plays: WARNING WARNING YOU ARE IN DANGER
21:29 libsysguy        DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! NOT PROD READY!!!
21:29 libsysguy        fine then
21:29 jcamins_away     Add comments in the nginx config file.
21:29 jcamins_away     No one will edit them.
21:29 jcamins_away     Actually, I don't care about the Plack config files.
21:28 jcamins_away     Add comments in the nginx and Plack config files.
21:28 libsysguy        I had it in the installer, but I tool it out since I removed the if else for nginx apache
21:28 jcamins_away     eythian: especially since Plack is really intended for development at this point... a note which libsysguy is going to make sure to put in!
21:27 jcamins_away     libsysguy: pretty much.
21:27 libsysguy        so working as expected?
21:27 eythian          jcamins_away: fair enough, it's not something I'm religious about :)
21:26 jcamins_away     Double click and explodes.
21:26 jcamins_away     Stupid MS Access.
21:26 jcamins_away     And if DEBUG is set, try to load it.
21:26 libsysguy        mind = blown
21:26 jcamins_away     Use Module::Load::Conditional.
21:25 jcamins_away     libsysguy: right, that's why you don't use it.
21:25 libsysguy        well I won't load the panel, however the use is porblematic
21:25 jcamins_away     We need the ability to debug our code when developing.
21:25 jcamins_away     eythian: I disagree.
21:25 jcamins_away     Right, that's why you have to check if it exists, then check if DEBUG is set, and, if both are true, load the panel.
21:24 eythian          ideally you shouldn't have debug in the committed stuff anyway
21:24 libsysguy        what is the best way to handle that?
21:24 libsysguy        but it is really handy to have in the psgi file for debugging
21:24 libsysguy        so I can't add it as a dep
21:24 libsysguy        so package question…plack::middleware::debug is currently in sid
21:22 wizzyrea         that's what I get for taking sip of tea right at that moment.
21:21 wizzyrea         later
21:21 oleonard         See y'all later
21:21 drojf            yay \o/
21:20 eythian          drojf: it's already passed QA :)
21:20 huginn           jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
21:20 jcamins_away     @later tell magnuse Never mind, false alarm. As packaging maintainer, eythian's packaging patches don't need testing.
21:19 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Package related updates for master
21:19 drojf            so i wont be testing bug 9143 tomorrow?
21:19 jcamins_away     eythian++
21:19 eythian          if I get a chance today I'll bundle up the updates into a patch.
21:18 cait             jcamins_away: excellent.
21:18 jcamins_away     cait: fear not.
21:18 cait             jcamins_away: just let me be mean to eythian about his other patches :)
21:18 eythian          yeah, that all works for me
21:18 eythian          cait: but...but...awwww :)
21:17 cait             it's ok
21:17 jcamins_away     I should have asked you before telling eythian to mark the bugs passed qa.
21:17 cait             eythian: but doesn't mean you don't need test plans on your other patches! :P
21:17 cait             hm?
21:17 jcamins_away     cait: sorry...
21:16 * cait           is ok with that too
21:16 jcamins_away     eythian: in that case, you can go ahead and pass QA on any packaging patches that you approve of.
21:16 jcamins_away     Okay, makes sense to me.
21:16 rangi            make the bugs under that, and then that can be used for people to know
21:16 rangi            there is a packaging category on bugzilla
21:15 eythian          yeah. I think it'd be worth having a glance-over by the RM, even if just to make sure I'm not committing a file outside of the packaging that I shouldn't be, but a functional test shouldn't be necessary.
21:14 jcamins_away     eythian: it seems to me that the package maintainer's patches for packages could be pushed with only one set of eyes.
21:13 eythian          even a flag on bz so I can say "this is a trivial patch, it's only for packaging, it can probably go straight in" to bypass the normal process.
21:13 eythian          jcamins_away: possibly, I'm not sure.
21:12 libsysguy        I am going to have to squash some commits
21:12 eythian          (actually, maybe I already have, but no one signed off on it :)
21:12 libsysguy        okay cool
21:12 eythian          I need to blacklist that one
21:12 eythian          libsysguy: that's fine, but remove it :)
21:12 libsysguy        is that aceptable?
21:12 jcamins_away     eythian: would it be better to have a separate packaging repo?
21:12 libsysguy        okay the only EEEK I have now is Data::Paginator
21:03 * cait           nods
21:03 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Material type icons not showing for XSLT default view in intranet
21:03 oleonard         cait: Bug 9403?
21:02 jcamins_away     eythian: oh, okay.
21:02 eythian          well, I'm better off closing the old ones and making new patches containing the things that have changed to date.
21:02 cait             eythian: and you go and write test plans! :)
21:02 eythian          one day I'll revisit them and make more patches and do that :)
21:02 cait             oleonard: my patch has one... if that helps :)
21:01 eythian          heh
21:01 * oleonard       made up too many test plans for others today :P
21:01 * wizzyrea       would sign off on them but you wouldn't take it
21:01 oleonard         eythian: It's better than nothing
21:01 huginn           jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
21:01 jcamins_away     @later tell magnuse Karma for the person who tests the packaging patches that are waiting! Bug 8806 and bug 9143.
21:01 eythian          also, they're not really things that can be tested beyond "do a build and see that it doesn't break"
21:01 cait             there ever was a pre-test-plan?
21:00 jcamins_away     cait: good point.
21:00 eythian          oleonard: they're all pre-test-plan era
21:00 cait             hm magnuse knows some too
21:00 * libsysguy      drums fingers
21:00 libsysguy        okay now its running
21:00 jcamins_away     Unfortunately, that wouldn't work because everyone would just let me. I think I'm the only one other than eythian who builds packages regularly.
21:00 oleonard         eythian: Do they all have thorough commit messages with test plans?
21:00 jcamins_away     As is, untested.
20:59 jcamins_away     Yeah, I was just thinking I should claim ultimate authority and threaten to push the patches.
20:59 * cait           has also a patch waiting fo rsign-off and 2 for qa
20:59 eythian          most of them are just updates to changelogs or the control file or whatever, so more or less trivial
20:59 eythian          I should, yeah
20:59 cait             I was not aware so many were waiting
20:59 cait             eythian: maybe try sending a list to the mailing list?
20:59 eythian          nobody signs off on my paperwork packaging patches, so the package building gets stale :(
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8806 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Package related updates for master
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , Missing dependencies for Debian package
20:58 jcamins_away     @query packaging updates
20:58 jcamins_away     Shouldn't be a problem.
20:58 eythian          <eythian> you don't need to install the packages or anything
20:58 eythian          <eythian> koha-community.org repo
20:57 libsysguy        so I can install koha-common
20:57 libsysguy        if I crtl-C it will I be fine
20:57 eythian          then your patches won't be correct if you change a dependency :)
20:57 libsysguy        okay, fine…*I* should add it to my local git ignore file
20:57 jcamins_away     It takes ages to generate, and rarely changes.
20:57 jcamins_away     What eythian said.
20:57 jcamins_away     libsysguy: no we shouldn't.
20:57 libsysguy        :p
20:57 eythian          no we shouldn't
20:56 libsysguy        we should add debian/control to the .gitignore file
20:56 eythian          you don't need to install the packages or anything
20:56 eythian          koha-community.org repo
20:56 eythian          err
20:56 libsysguy        shoot…okay, I'll let it finish and load it up
20:56 eythian          make sure you have the koha-common repo added first
20:55 libsysguy        see**
20:55 libsysguy        and se
20:55 libsysguy        I'll run the update
20:55 eythian          actually, it probably won't be a problem
20:55 eythian          that runs the risk of being problematic
20:55 libsysguy        I'm running wheezy
20:55 libsysguy        oh man, this is going to screw me up
20:55 wahanui          it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:55 jcamins_away     eythian: oh, interesting!
20:55 eythian          squeeze-dev|main|source: libdata-paginator-perl 0.05-1 <-- that one has a package, the other one doesn't
20:54 libsysguy        probably not, I just installed apt-file
20:54 eythian          and have apt-file update run?
20:54 eythian          does the box that you ran update-control on have the koha-common squeeze-dev repo loaded in?
20:54 libsysguy        hightlight -> delete
20:53 jcamins_away     I'm pretty sure there really aren't packages for either, so I told libsysguy he had to resubmit the patch without the EEEEKs.
20:53 libsysguy        ^^
20:53 jcamins_away     eythian: two paginators.
20:53 eythian          if it's for a bunch of things, revisit assumptions
20:53 libsysguy        ah okay
20:53 eythian          if it's just for that paginator one, just remove that EEEK
20:52 eythian          oh right
20:52 rangi            debian/update-control
20:52 jcamins_away     eythian: it has "EEEEK" in it.
20:52 * libsysguy      doesn't know
20:52 eythian          how'd you break it?
20:52 rangi            you run the script
20:52 rangi            sorta, working at the hospital
20:52 * libsysguy      can't remember how to fix the debian control file
20:51 libsysguy        rangi around?
20:49 wizzyrea         \o/
20:49 jcamins_away     _Very_ snazzy.
20:49 jcamins_away     Yeah, I have the new version.
20:48 rangi            wizzyrea: yep it has
20:47 wizzyrea         this is closer to my house: http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=IWELLING39&day=08&month=02&year=2013
20:46 datadoctor       Wow! I hadn't seen that wundermap feature - that is very cool.
20:46 wizzyrea         i'm not sure the result has been uploaded yet
20:45 wizzyrea         it actually could be cooler, we had a bunch of kids fix it up for us
20:45 wizzyrea         http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=-41.339000&lon=174.773000&zoom=8&pin=Wellington%2c%20New%20Zealand&rad.type=00Q
20:45 wizzyrea         ok this is wicked
20:45 datadoctor       KiritakiKoha
20:45 eythian          hi cait
20:44 eythian          oddly, it's about 2-3° warmer in Aro Valley than anywhere else.
20:44 cait             morning eythian
20:44 datadoctor       The Android app looks pretty cool.
20:43 rangi            thats closer to the catalyst office
20:43 rangi            http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-41.339%2C174.773&sp=IWELLING75
20:43 eythian          at least, that I noticed.
20:43 eythian          yeah, it's not particularly humid at all
20:42 rangi            it will be less humid in town
20:42 rangi            thats at the airport
20:41 datadoctor       !!!
20:41 wizzyrea         :) sposed to be 20 today
20:41 datadoctor       That's pretty humid though!
20:41 datadoctor       Wellington is clear with 15C - I think you officially have the nicest weather wizzyrea !
20:40 cait             yeah, bit of snow :)
20:39 huginn           bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 14.1°C (12:37 PM PST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
20:39 bag              @wunder 93102
20:39 datadoctor       Looks like rain in Wellington!
20:38 huginn           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
20:38 wizzyrea         @wunder wellington, nz
20:38 wizzyrea         hrm.
20:38 huginn           wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
20:38 datadoctor       Chilly with a bit of snow, eh cait?
20:38 wizzyrea         @wunder wgtn
20:38 huginn           cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.2°C (9:35 PM CET on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
20:38 cait             @wunder Konstanz
20:38 huginn           datadoctor: The current temperature in Kent State Geography, Kent, Ohio is 6.2°C (3:35 PM EST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
20:38 datadoctor       @wunder Kent, OH
20:37 wizzyrea         it's gorgeous here today so far
20:37 wizzyrea         :)
20:36 datadoctor       I enjoyed some Ohio sunshine on my lunch break - very warm as well.
20:30 oleonard         Sunny and pleasant today, although I haven't been outside once in 8 hours
20:29 cait             hi wizzyrea
20:29 wizzyrea         how is ohio
20:29 wizzyrea         hehe
20:29 wahanui          oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
20:29 wizzyrea         hey oleonard
20:29 oleonard         Hi wizzyrea
20:20 datadoctor       Thanks for listening - I am moving on now!
20:20 datadoctor       But lets your session continue - so you can set the preference back to "Don't Prevent" :)
20:19 datadoctor       Just tested on a second 3.11 test server, set to "Prevent" and login works - on my live v.310 "Prevent" disables all logins.
20:18 datadoctor       I think I need to learn more about the branch concept and how it integrates with authentication.
20:17 datadoctor       So maybe this has been resolved somehow. I have a feeling you won't be able to duplicate the issue.
20:16 datadoctor       My apologies again - I didn't test this fully. The problem occurs on my live (production) Koha v.310 stable, but not on my test server, v3.11 master.
20:14 datadoctor       If they are single branch
20:14 datadoctor       Most people aren't likely to change it though!
20:13 datadoctor       The ramifications are that if the IndependantBranches preference is set to "Prevent" no one can log in, and you have to manually edit the database to reset the preference. v3.10
20:13 oleonard         ...but maybe you're right.
20:13 oleonard         IndependantBranches doesn't serve any function if there is only one branch
20:12 datadoctor       I'm thinking the IndependantBranches preference breaks when there is just one branch?
20:12 datadoctor       Thanks!
20:11 * oleonard       moves datadoctor's apostrophe key further from the Enter key
20:11 datadoctor       't Prevent because there is only one branch, so it's not a problem...
20:11 datadoctor       's fine to leave it as Don
20:11 datadoctor       I guess it
20:10 datadoctor       Or is that one library? MAIN = Our Library Name
20:10 datadoctor       I only have one branch defined.
20:10 datadoctor       't Prevent to Prevent I lose the ability to log in to the system. When I change it back (while still in session) users can log in again.
20:09 datadoctor       When I change IndependantBranches from Don
20:09 datadoctor       I have AutoLocation set to "Require" with my IP address range set to the internal network.
20:08 datadoctor       I have singleBranchMode set to "Don't Allow"
20:08 datadoctor       I figured out more about the odd behavior I was getting with my branch preferences.
20:01 * drojf          giggles
20:01 drojf            »Leaflet is a modern open-source JavaScript library for mobile-friendly interactive maps. British English speakers might be looking for fliers and pamphlets advertising OSM instead. «
19:42 slef             bbl
19:42 slef             Welcome to Lagland
19:42 jcamins_away     You're very welcome.
19:42 jcamins_away     I completely forgot about that.
19:42 jcamins_away     Oh, cool!
19:42 slef             jcamins_away: pointed me to a stackoverflow that showed the variable I want is indent-tabs-mode (the "best" answer on the page itself is wrong, IMO)
19:40 jcamins_away     slef: huh?
19:40 slef             jcamins_away: thanks.
19:40 slef             libsysguy: I do, but it's still annoying.
19:40 jcamins_away     Heh. Looks like lots of people had things to say about stand up desks.
19:36 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC
19:36 oleonard         I'm curious if the .conf change alone is enough to trigger the highlight in Bug 7740
19:35 bag              s/his/he
19:35 bag              oleonard: I believe his is - but sometimes slow to hear the ping :)
19:32 wahanui          :(
19:32 oleonard         khall around?
19:32 rambutan         botsmack!
19:26 cait             :)
19:26 kathryn          and greetings all
19:26 kathryn          cait, good morning!
19:22 rambutan         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9LWUIWvpU
19:19 rambutan         ZZS = resend (usually after nak or corrections are made)
19:18 oleonard         Are we having an esoterica contest?
19:17 rambutan         Now, any of you old military radio operators want to guess what ZZS is? No googling.
19:16 rambutan         OK, ZZS
19:15 rambutan         I knew that now that you reminded me
19:14 oleonard         rambutan: The person used @kohails (as if @kohails was a person who could respond) instead of #kohails which enables hashtag searching
19:14 rambutan         I, despite being ostensibly being computer-literate and having a progressive interest in what might be regarded as tech subjects, am very non-Web 2.0.
19:14 cait             :)
19:14 cait             good morning kathryn
19:14 oleonard         rambutan: You followed an incorrect example :)
19:12 rambutan         I clearly need a twitter training class
19:12 rambutan         no, was I supposed to? I just put in what the originator had: @anomalily   @kohails-compatible
19:11 cait             did you have #kohails?
19:09 jcamins_away     rambutan: it varies. Sometimes minutes, sometimes hours.
19:08 rambutan         I probably had a syntax error and it got forwarded to /dev/null
19:08 rambutan         wonder how long it takes tweets to be forwarded here?
19:07 jcamins_away     Hehe.
19:07 cait             lol
19:07 rambutan         OK, this time I wrote it down after I reset it. I can't believe 7 people are following me. If I have 7 followers for each of my 7 accounts, well, heck, I'm famous almost.
19:02 jcamins_away     Hehe.
19:01 rambutan         I must have 7 twitter accounts. Someday I'll write down the password instead of just making a new account everytime I want to tweet.  Someday.
18:58 rambutan         twitter: http://tinyurl.com/bf34n6d
18:58 jcamins_away     Good luck!
18:58 jcamins_away     Testing a patch and marking it as failed is just as important as testing a patch and signing off on it.
18:57 nancyk           Lots to look at and learn, thanks, got to go now, but I will be back
18:56 jcamins_away     This means that if you test a patch and it works, but it makes something you're doing harder for no reason, you can fail the patch.
18:56 jcamins_away     The bug report should have a test plan which you can follow. If the patch does what it is supposed to and *doesn't break anything else* you can then use the "Sign off" section on the sandbox control page.
18:55 rangi            heya cait
18:55 libsysguy        stinking bot
18:55 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @anomalily: "I need the best low-cost solution for @kohails-compatible bar code reader and label printer. Librarians/Coders, RT and respond?"
18:55 jcamins_away     Anyway.
18:55 libsysguy        I want to help
18:55 * cait           waves
18:55 jcamins_away     \I want to help?
18:55 jcamins_away     I want to help?
18:55 wahanui          i already had it that way, jcamins_away.
18:55 jcamins_away     wahanui: \I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
18:55 jcamins_away     I want to help?
18:55 jcamins_away     \I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
18:55 rangi            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
18:55 rangi            add this stuff to that would be good :)
18:55 jcamins_away     It's new.
18:54 jcamins_away     I forgot about that.
18:54 jcamins_away     i want to help?
18:54 rangi            i want to help?
18:54 rangi            did you see my i want to help thing?
18:54 jcamins_away     There are *tons*.
18:54 jcamins_away     Once you choose a bug, with the sandboxes you create a sandbox and enter that bug n number where prompted.
18:54 libsysguy        so don't let jcamins_away discourage you :p
18:54 libsysguy        but there are plenty of those
18:53 jcamins_away     If you're using the sandboxes, you'll need to choose bugs that are pretty simple.
18:53 jcamins_away     There are ~130 at the moment, I think.
18:53 jcamins_away     The first one is "Needs Signoff," and is a link that will take you to a list of all the bugs that are awaiting signoff.
18:52 jcamins_away     ^^ on that page, about half-way down you'll see something like "Patch statuses."
18:52 wahanui          dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
18:52 jcamins_away     dashboard?
18:52 jcamins_away     There are a few small differences between what you do when you have a sandbox and when you have your own server/VM, so I'll point them out.
18:51 jcamins_away     nancyk: oh, now I'll explain the rest of the procedures.
18:51 nancyk           We will have a look at the sandbox and will be back with questions, but I like option 2 better, thanks.
18:50 rangi            yay!
18:50 jcamins_away     Okay, so the set up with option 2 is a little bit more in-depth, but if you're game, it allows you to test a lot more, and often faster.
18:49 nancyk           I also have four very intelligent staff members in my dept. who are also interested
18:49 nancyk           We have done some virtual, and have a dev server.  It has 3.10 on it now
18:48 jcamins_away     Option 2 is to run a Koha installation yourself, either on a spare computer, on a virtual machine on your desktop, or anywhere else you can think of to install Koha.
18:47 jcamins_away     However, the convenience comes at a cost: you can't test any patches that make changes to the database, or that make indexing changes.
18:47 nancyk           Ok, I'll have a look
18:47 jcamins_away     The sandboxes are on BibLibre's servers and you can just click a few buttons to choose what you want to test.
18:46 jcamins_away     With the sandboxes, you don't need to install anything.
18:46 jcamins_away     (we'll come back to what to do with that link, I just wanted to share it up front)
18:45 jcamins_away     Option 1 is to use the sandboxes, which are documented at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
18:45 libsysguy        or you can do this slef http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL6:_Indentation
18:45 nancyk           I don't do coding, but I know my ILS.
18:45 jcamins_away     nancyk: so, there are two ways to test patches for Koha.
18:44 jcamins_away     slef: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/69934/set-4-space-indent-in-emacs-in-text-mode
18:44 libsysguy        I think jcamins_away just came out of his seat
18:44 jcamins_away     nancyk: you surely can!
18:44 libsysguy        otherwise its some lisp line
18:44 nancyk           Hi, can I find out more info on becoming a tester?
18:44 libsysguy        which is the easiest way I have found
18:43 libsysguy        well if you want to stop it in git
18:43 jcamins_away     slef: it involves lots of parentheses.
18:43 libsysguy        yes its in the wiki
18:43 slef             anyone remember how to stop emacs putting tabs instead of spaces when autoindenting?
18:43 jcamins_away     Tab complete didn't work.
18:43 jcamins_away     nancyk, sorry.
18:43 libsysguy        NANCY!! You're back!
18:42 * jcamins_away   waves to nancy!
18:42 * libsysguy      is currently testing wheezy
18:42 libsysguy        heh jcamins_away
18:42 slef             maybe debian < 4.0
18:42 slef             debian used to IIRC
18:41 jcamins_away     jeff: I didn't realize that there were systems where /bin/sh == bash. What type of system?
18:41 jeff             yeah, what slef said.
18:41 jeff             well, some people author a script on a system where /bin/sh == bash, and then the #!/bin/sh script breaks on a system where /bin/sh is something else entirely.
18:41 jcamins_away     libsysguy: only if you enclose them in a system("bash -e '...'");
18:40 slef             or if you /bin/sh
18:35 libsysguy        aww you mean I can't run bash commands if I path to perl in #!
18:34 slef             heh - it's more to warn you to specify bash in the #! if you use any of them
18:31 libsysguy        my bash skills are minmial at best
18:31 libsysguy        I should subscribe to that
18:30 slef             There are. There's a series running on planet debian "a bashism a week" or similar.
18:29 libsysguy        if there are any
18:29 libsysguy        i think I was getting confused on the differences between sh and bash
18:26 libsysguy        I actually wrote mine in a function
18:25 slef             but before the ;; if it's written with a case statement for start/stop/restart... like most are
18:25 libsysguy        okay, I'll give it a go
18:25 slef             depends when the socket is created - probably after
18:25 libsysguy        before or after the daemon starts?
18:24 slef             put that command in the init script
18:24 libsysguy        well I want it do chown the directory from the init script
18:24 slef             chown user.group /path/to/socket
18:24 slef             err
18:24 slef             chown /path/to/socket
18:24 slef             I don't see what that has to do with init scripts?
18:22 libsysguy        for koha to listen for plack
18:22 libsysguy        I am trying to change the owner of a socket
18:22 libsysguy        anybody around that knows about init scripts?
17:55 datadoctor       Sorry, this problem looks more complex than I thought at first. I will look into it before I ask more questions.
17:52 datadoctor       My mistake. I did have it set to single branch mode, and but it reverted when I updated to v3.10 - I'll check the database.
17:49 datadoctor       Let me think back......
17:47 oleonard         Why do you think it breaks your system?
17:47 oleonard         Single library with no branches?
17:47 datadoctor       As a single branch, I should be able to use singleBranchMode, but I am thinking it breaks my system if I set it that way - could be a legacy data issue again...
17:46 oleonard         IndependantBranches means multiple branches but limited interaction between them
17:46 oleonard         singleBranchMode means hide functionality or information related to branches because only one branch is assumed.
17:45 datadoctor       Since we updated to v3.10, we don't appear to be limiting access to our address range as set in AutoLocation.
17:45 datadoctor       I am confused about the relationship between singleBranchMode, IndependantBranches [sic], and AutoLocation.
17:27 jcamins          Okay, time to head into the city.
17:25 tcohen           decime
17:25 tcohen           deciem
17:13 * oleonard       is too sad about jcamins' bad idea
17:12 * jcamins        didn't. His mouth is full.
17:10 chris_n          did someone say lunch?
16:51 jcamins          It was a bad idea.
16:51 * jcamins        has an idea.
16:48 jcamins          What I need is a WYSIWYG editor that allows you to tag text with semantic information as well.
16:48 oleonard         Only in the context of a WYSIWYG editor
16:47 jcamins          oleonard: do you know of any javascript component for a text editor that allows you to "tag" text?
16:47 jcamins          drojf left.
16:47 jcamins          Wait.
16:47 jcamins          I had a question for oleonard!
16:47 jcamins          Argh!
16:43 * drojf          heads home
16:40 * oleonard       never has enough acquisitions data
16:40 * oleonard       should use datadoctor's dataset when testing or working on acquisitions
16:39 jcamins          But take a look, because I'm not sure.
16:39 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8611 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , too many baskets on search results for acquisitions
16:39 jcamins          datadoctor: I think the latter was what someone wanted on bug 8611.
16:38 datadoctor       Or maybe I could just toggle the closed baskets to not display by default, or display by choice.
16:33 datadoctor       I'm thinking of two methods to solve the problem - an intermediate page for selecting the specific vendor name result, and limiting the display to 20,50 or 100 lines with a "Show More" option.
16:30 jcamins          No patch, just a bug report.
16:30 jcamins          Oh, hm.
16:29 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8611 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , too many baskets on search results for acquisitions
16:29 jcamins          Bug 8611
16:29 jcamins          Or think there was one.
16:29 jcamins          datadoctor: I don't know if it's been signed off yet, but I know there was one.
16:28 datadoctor       Sounds groovy!
16:28 jcamins          datadoctor: there's a patch to change that behavior, actually, because several people have noticed that problem.
16:28 datadoctor       My baskets are closed, but they still show up.
16:27 datadoctor       Especially since vendors with similar names to the one I want also show up.
16:26 datadoctor       I can sort by date descending, but the table is still an overwhelming amount of data.
16:26 datadoctor       Does anyone notice a behavior on large systems where a vendor search from Acquisitions pulls up a multi-thousand line table? We've been ordering through Koha for seven years.
16:13 SandeepBhavsar   bye
16:05 reiveune         bye
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15:48 SandeepBhavsar   now I will switch to regular package installation.
15:47 SandeepBhavsar   yes my perl Makefile.PL command is not showing any perl module required means all perl modules are sufficient
15:46 datadoctor       I don't see any specific references, but have you checked your PERL dependencies?
15:45 datadoctor       Make errors are usually related to missing PERL modules.
15:45 SandeepBhavsar   ok, actually i was thinking that this good service to upgrade to latest version with only pull command
15:43 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: to be honest i have no idea how that may have worked for you so far. you should really consider switching to a regular package installation for your production server
15:34 jcamins          Right. Someone with more time may be able to help, but right now I cannot.
15:33 SandeepBhavsar   actually i also dont have any idea, only i want the latest version. May be I am unable to answer your questions,Sorry
15:33 jcamins          Someone else may have time, but I have to do work for my clients.
15:32 jcamins          The only explanation I can come up with is that your git repo got messed up.
15:32 jcamins          Yes, but you can't tell me what version you are upgrading to so I can't help.
15:31 SandeepBhavsar   its related to Koha::Cache
15:31 SandeepBhavsar   no this error is different one
15:31 jcamins          That's what I'm saying.
15:31 jcamins          I don't know.
15:31 SandeepBhavsar   what will be the solution for this error http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2013-February/035479.html
15:29 jcamins          SandeepBhavsar: I think this issue is too complicated for me to walk you through now.
15:28 SandeepBhavsar   but this time i think i have to also write branch
15:27 SandeepBhavsar   actually in my earlier command koha does not ask me about which ver shall I go for, I simply give the command git pull and automatically the latest one upgraded
15:26 SandeepBhavsar   for which ver shall I go
15:25 jcamins          3.10.what?
15:25 SandeepBhavsar    3.10
15:24 jcamins          What I am asking is what version you are trying to upgrade to _right now_.
15:24 jcamins          I'd probably upgrade to 3.8.9, but that's not what I'm asking.
15:23 SandeepBhavsar   I would like to upgrade the latest one now 3.10 but is it stable, or what will you guide
15:21 jcamins          And you're trying to upgrade to which version?
15:20 SandeepBhavsar
15:19 SandeepBhavsar    3.08
15:16 jcamins          What version of Koha do you have running right now?
15:16 SandeepBhavsar   but this time it is asking for Branch??
15:16 SandeepBhavsar   that i really dont know but I simply follow these commands and upgrade to latest koha
15:15 drojf            so you run master in production?
15:13 SandeepBhavsar   I have learned all these commands from Kousthubha Kale
15:12 SandeepBhavsar   yes I can do the installation
15:12 SandeepBhavsar   http://sandeepbhavsar.blogspot.in/2010/11/how-to-upgrade-koha-from-git-repository.html
15:12 SandeepBhavsar   I have been using git from last one year, and only giving pull command for upgradation, its so simple and that's why using it actually i have posted the steps also for librarians at
15:11 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: did you do the initial installation?
15:10 jcamins          And... if you're not planning on doing development, you should not be using git.
15:10 SandeepBhavsar   yes all perl modules
15:10 jcamins          You don't have to preface everything you say with "dear all."
15:09 SandeepBhavsar   dear all actually I am working as Librarian, so not having that much idea about how to interact with you all
15:09 jcamins          Do you have of Koha's dependencies installed?
15:08 SandeepBhavsar   http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2013-February/035479.html
15:08 SandeepBhavsar   ok got it
15:08 oleonard         http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2013-February/035479.html
15:07 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: i mean a web link to the forum you are referring to
15:06 SandeepBhavsar   drojf, can you please guide how  can I give the links
15:04 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: you should probably give links to posts you are referring to
15:03 SandeepBhavsar   I am using Ubuntu 10.04
15:03 jcamins          SandeepBhavsar: what operating system are you on?
15:00 SandeepBhavsar   make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
15:00 SandeepBhavsar   its realted toFAILED--Further testing stopped: ***** PROBLEMS LOADING FILE 'Koha::Cache'
15:00 drojf            my grammer ir b0rked
15:00 SandeepBhavsar   Dear all please help me in solving one error, I have posted on our Koha forum
14:59 SandeepBhavsar   ok
14:59 jcamins          Yippee!
14:59 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: please ask questions in the channel instead of sending random private messages. it is considered impolite and may lead to several people being occupied with your problem at the same time. all people helping here are do so unpaid in their spare time.
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9556 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Changing patron category does not fully update patron messaging preferences
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on tags list page
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables on Koha news page
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables on notices page
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent holds
14:58 jenkins_koha     * gmc: Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category
14:58 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9473: Use DataTables on tags list page
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9529 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section
14:58 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9476: Use Datatables on Koha news page
14:58 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9477 - Use DataTables on notices page
14:58 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds - QA Followup
14:58 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds
14:58 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9529 - Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section
14:58 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #1040: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1040/
14:58 jenkins_koha     Yippie, build fixed!
14:38 drojf            hi SandeepBhavsar
14:29 SandeepBhavsar   hi all
14:20 drojf            heh
14:19 magnuse          sounds like an excellent deal, drojf
14:17 drojf            prevents alzheimers, induces psychosis
14:17 * magnuse        was almost about to check if there were any regexpuzzlecompanies he could buy stock in
14:17 drojf            my mom has to learn that :D
14:16 jcamins          Thanks.
14:16 jcamins          lol
14:16 jcamins          Probably not.
14:16 libsysguy        in an hour jcamins you might want this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dgml.swearport&hl=en
14:16 jcamins          magnuse: hehe.
14:16 * magnuse        wonders if regexpuzzles will ever become as popular as sudoku
14:15 jcamins          Agreed.
14:15 jcamins          Hehe.
14:14 libsysguy        id say thats one you definitely don't want to do in pen
14:14 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "NoveList Select Enhanced Content Added to the Koha Open Source ILS http://t.co/f1s9pToK #kohails"
14:14 drojf            omg that's craziness
14:14 * oleonard       snatches the paper away from jcamins and demands he gets back to work!
14:14 jcamins          I filled in six cells. Just another many to go.
14:05 libsysguy        here is where it comes from http://www.mit.edu/~puzzle/
14:04 jcamins          Yeah, _now_ I know that. :P
14:04 libsysguy        you have to select the resize
14:04 jcamins          It's larger than a single sheet of paper.
14:04 jcamins          Bother.
14:03 libsysguy        hahaha
14:03 jcamins          If you get everything filled in, your answer is right.
14:03 libsysguy        so you can check your answers
14:03 wahanui          the solution is, like, not to ditch support for MySQL and everyone currently using Koha before we have working support for Postgres and a rock-solid migration plan
14:03 libsysguy        the solution?
14:02 jcamins          wtf is the point of that?
14:02 libsysguy        heh
14:02 jcamins          No!
14:02 libsysguy        do you want the solution?
14:01 * jcamins        prints it out.
14:01 libsysguy        apparently it was in the MIT mystery hunt
14:00 kf               they look weird
14:00 kf               omg
14:00 jcamins          o.O
14:00 libsysguy        its a regex crossword
14:00 jcamins          libsysguy: uhhh...
13:59 libsysguy        hey jcamins I have a present for you: http://www.coinheist.com/rubik/a_regular_crossword/grid.pdf
13:58 drojf            yeah, it's not really fun without plack
13:58 jcamins          "If we get Plack working without problems."
13:57 jcamins          drojf: that's kind of the trick, isn't it?
13:57 drojf            jcamins: if we get plack working without problems i don't see a problem with that
13:51 jcamins          drojf: but I was hoping for 3.12.
13:50 jenkins_koha     Starting build #1040 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1038 8 hr 44 min ago)
13:50 jcamins          drojf: nice!
13:50 drojf            note to self: Raspberry Koha π plug and play servers for 3.14 release. instant world domination
13:49 jcamins          oleonard: not yet.
13:48 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9556' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=723dadcf7a34452da55e38c0cdb83ae7201a370d> / Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9912e384043df1224a5a1735a8f3fec3caddd8fc>
13:48 oleonard         jcamins: Does FEMA know?!
13:47 kf               oh no!!
13:46 jcamins          And, while I'm listing my complaints, we're out of raspberry jam.
13:46 jcamins          kf: it's cold, wet, and makes transportation difficult.
13:43 kf               what's so bad about it? :)
13:43 kf               snow in new york
13:43 jcamins          "Heavy" snow accumulation this weekend. Eww.
13:39 kf               so I understand
13:39 kf               oleonard: I missed it too :)
13:38 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9473' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=375873d22108ee3c2447bad44f929c1f7aac1810> / Bug 9473: Use DataTables on tags list page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a63960acc760fa6e6df4a18271d88ee89024c689> / Merge branch 'bug_9476' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=faea0a52cca0bc3542b
13:29 oleonard         it's not the same as being there kf! :)
13:29 kf               read back :)
13:28 * oleonard       regrets
13:28 jcamins          oleonard: you did.
13:28 * oleonard       missed a meeting didn't he?
12:51 drojf            that is so 1985
12:51 wahanui          drojf: Your Flux Capacitor has gone bad.
12:50 drojf            excuse?
12:48 drojf            if that would only be temporal haha
12:47 wahanui          drojf: Temporal anomaly
12:47 drojf            excuse?
12:47 drojf            hi jcamins
12:46 kf               good morning jcamins
12:46 kf               magnuse++
12:45 jcamins          Good morning, #koha.
11:58 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @27point7: "nice interface http://t.co/8YZYeNUe #kohails"
11:38 huginn           kf: No chance.
11:38 kf               @eightball will drojf sign off patches today?
11:38 wahanui          kf: Typo in the code
11:38 kf               excuse?
11:37 wahanui          kf: because Bill Gates is a Jehovah's witness and so nothing can work on St. Swithin's day.
11:37 kf               excuse?
11:37 kf               he can't
11:35 wahanui          drojf: excuse me?
11:35 drojf            wahanui: entertain me
10:03 magnuse          yay!
10:01 kf               being awesome even
10:01 kf               being awesoe
10:01 kf               just theusual
09:59 magnuse          what did he do now? :-)
09:59 magnuse          rangi++
09:58 kf               rangi++
09:39 magnuse          mib_678bem: do you get the "it works!" page or nothing at all?
09:38 mib_678bem       I have been playing around with one here and am running it on ubuntu 12.04.02 and trying to install koha 3.10.* but I got stack at some place where it wouldnt show on http://localhost:8080
09:36 mib_678bem       ok thanks bro, am getting my hands on it now
09:34 kf               look at the wiki page above
09:33 mib_678bem       can I get a comprehensive installation guide with all the commands that I need to run
09:32 wahanui          packages is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:32 rangi            packages?
09:32 rangi            choose debian squeeze as your OS, then you can use the koha packages
09:31 mib_678bem       does it come with an automated installation script?
09:30 rangi            were you get full control of a machine
09:30 rangi            i'd go for something like linode
09:29 mib_678bem       Yes, though am very green on koha and linux
09:29 magnuse          rangi: the title of the talk is something like "convenient or right? choosing the road for control over libraries"
09:29 rangi            you want to do the sysadmin yourself?
09:28 mib_678bem       what is the recomended web hosting company if I want to host koha online?
09:27 rangi            it looks like it from looking at the slides
09:27 magnuse          i think he talked a lot about koha
09:26 magnuse          yeah viktor++
09:26 rangi            ahh cool
09:25 kf               viktor++ :)
09:25 magnuse          it's in swedish, though...
09:25 magnuse          rangi: viktor did a talk at some swedish library do, and the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5ljwtUvc0&sns=em
09:24 alohabot         Hi mib_678bem, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
09:22 kf               google translate? :)
09:21 rangi            i wonder what magnuse and viktor are talking about
09:21 drojf            off to work. later #koha
09:19 drojf            yeah that's cool
09:19 rangi            so i can connect from my phone or laptop or tablet, or work .. and i have all the scroll buffer on any of them and no one else notices :)
09:18 rangi            run it on my linode
09:18 rangi            yep, thats what i do
09:17 drojf            i think that won't help with the hiccups of my network unless i run it somewhere else.
09:11 rangi            22:08 [Koha] -!-           : is connected via SSL (secure link)
09:11 rangi            i like it because it does ssl really simply
09:10 rangi            https://wiki.linaro.org/Resources/HowTo/BIP
09:09 rangi            bip :)
09:09 rangi            heh
09:06 wahanui          i guess the duct tape is versatile.
09:06 drojf            where's the duct tape?
09:00 kf               heh thx
08:59 drojf            there there, it's not your fault. i hope :P
08:58 kf               ;)
08:58 * kf             hides in shame
08:58 kf               ... my brother has one
08:55 drojf            »from the look of things, the subscriber share that BlackBerry and  Microsoft will be fighting over will be in the single digits, at best« heh
08:54 drojf            i don't remember when i have last seen any windows on a phone in the wild
08:53 drojf            http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/07/winphone8_share_still_shrinking/
08:52 wahanui          source is good.
08:52 kf               source?
08:52 kf               oh ouch
08:52 drojf            »Four months after its formal launch, not only has Windows Phone 8 failed  to win Microsoft a bigger piece of the mobile pie, but Redmond's share of US smartphone subscribers is actually still shrinking«
08:47 magnuse          huh?
08:46 kf               hah!
08:45 * magnuse        waves back
08:43 * kf             looks over her shoulder an dwaves
08:43 magnuse          kf: you don't want to know :-)
08:42 kf               how do you know I have 10 berliner/pfannkuchen on my shelf right now? :D
08:42 kf               kuchen? :)
08:41 magnuse          kf: these are not the kuchen you are looking for?
08:31 drojf            nope lol
08:30 kf               hehe
08:30 kf               drojf: no schmotziger in berlin? :)
08:30 drojf            kf: i'm so happy to live in berlin right now ;)
08:30 kf               lots of snow :)
08:29 drojf            sun!!
08:27 kf               drojf++
08:27 kf               and now I am worried about the headless knight sitting next office
08:27 kf               was almost eaten up by a crocodile on the way down the hill
08:27 * kf             has met a jedi at the bakery
08:26 drojf            hi kf
08:26 drojf            feel free to add whatever might belong there
08:26 drojf            i put what jcamins_away wrote on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12
08:25 magnuse          kf: yup :-)
08:25 magnuse          and i think "training" more people to do sign offs would be an excellent thing for the 'con
08:25 * kf             made some great friends there :)
08:25 kf               oh yes
08:25 magnuse          and was reminded how much fun kohacon10 was
08:24 magnuse          i was just reading the log of the meeting
08:24 * kf             too
08:22 * magnuse        needs to find a way to go to reno
08:13 drojf            thanks
08:13 drojf            ah. i see it now. marked as read, but did not read it
08:13 rangi            http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-February/038846.html
08:12 rangi            did you see jareds email?
08:11 drojf            err. 3.12
08:10 drojf            when is feature freeze for 3.14? the meeting sounded like 'soon'
08:08 magnuse          there http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013
08:07 magnuse          nouvel letre? ;-)
08:06 drojf            there is no french word for 'newsletter'? i am shocked :P
08:05 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Pour ceux qui ont loupé ça hier : les Newsletters Koha Communautaires de Décembre et Janvier en français -  https://t.co/OTUETJVn #KohaILS"
08:02 magnuse          s/til/to/
08:02 drojf            yes :)
08:02 magnuse          also short for "good morning"
08:01 magnuse          kind of similar til norwegian "morn" i guess
08:01 magnuse          ah, cool!
08:01 drojf            a northern german variant of "guten morgen"
08:00 drojf            magnuse: moin ;)
07:59 magnuse          drojf: what's the proper greeting for you? guten tag?
07:59 magnuse          hiya drojf
07:59 drojf            hi magnuse
07:58 * magnuse        waves
07:21 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9521 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib
07:21 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
07:21 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9521: Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib
07:21 jenkins_koha     * dcook: Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
07:21 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #1039: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1039/
07:16 drojf            hi rangi
07:16 drojf            so you do your meeting at a weird time and then you come up with the craziest ideas? :P
07:15 rangi            hi drojf and sophie_m
07:15 drojf            good morning #koha
07:11 reiveune         hi rangi, cait, magnuse :)
07:11 rangi            hi reiveune
07:10 reiveune         hello
07:03 cait             :)
07:03 dcook            Ta cait and other kohaers!
07:03 dcook            Speaking of which, I'm finally going to call it a day and get out into the world
06:41 * cait           too
06:39 * dcook          wishes there were more hours in the day and more days in the week...
06:17 cait             h dcook :)
06:15 dcook            hi cait :)
06:15 jenkins_koha     Starting build #1039 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7507 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Audience Subtype limit on Advanced Search does not have all Audiences
06:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist
06:13 jenkins_koha     * dcook: Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences
06:13 jenkins_koha     * Chris Cormack: Bug 9546 : Updating make manifest tardist
06:13 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #1038: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1038/
05:51 dcook            I suppose you never know
05:50 jcamins_away     Well, I might need some #koha-style factoids at 4am.
05:50 dcook            lol
05:50 wahanui          jcamins_away: excuse me?
05:50 jcamins_away     wahanui: thank goodness!
05:49 wahanui          I watch you sleep.
05:49 jcamins_away     Good night.
05:49 dcook            G'night!
05:49 jcamins          Well, almost.
05:49 dcook            Nice one!
05:49 jcamins          I got through the backlog.
05:48 jcamins          Okay, that's it for me.
05:45 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9521' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7642c2a88a1796ace019953ae075b60e55222b8> / Bug 9521: Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a88b2b2670a3f90af1115392a7c63dc3121d9b5d>
05:45 dcook            I just recently moved suburbs and have yet to check out my local library. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but...it's a more wealthy neighbourhood than I lived in before, so you never know...
05:44 dcook            Mmm, I know how that goes, jcamins
05:43 dcook            Not bad, rangi. Although where is the catalogue search bar?
05:42 jcamins          So much better.
05:42 rangi            No worries
05:41 jcamins          rangi: thanks for fixing the status flow thing on bugzilla.
05:40 rangi            http://www.tetakere.org.nz/
05:40 rangi            te takere, however, rules
05:40 rangi            it makes me want to stab myself in the eye
05:40 jcamins          We only moved to somewhere the library was convenient again last March.
05:39 rangi            i cant use the catalogue of our local one
05:39 jcamins          I rarely use the library, actually.
05:38 rangi            but lots of them are kinda invisible
05:38 dcook            I don't think my sister in Tampa uses her public library as they don't have very good resources and they're difficult to access
05:38 rangi            its a little better here
05:37 dcook            Any better in NZ or NY?
05:37 rangi            yeah
05:37 dcook            I have to hunt for libraries in Sydney and when I find them...
05:37 rangi            hehe
05:37 dcook            Yeah, maybe I'm a little homesick sometimes ;)
05:37 dcook            Although the BC Courthouse Library is still probably the best law library for the public that I've ever encountered
05:36 dcook            When I was studying legal research, they had up to date legal resources!
05:36 dcook            I went to the library every day. Amazing resources
05:36 dcook            I worked at a law firm down the street from the central library in Vancouver
05:36 rangi            yep
05:36 dcook            O_O
05:36 dcook            For free
05:36 dcook            Typically, at least back home, the library usually has what you want
05:36 dcook            That's what I was thinking, rangi
05:35 dcook            Ugh...Overdrive...
05:35 dcook            lol
05:35 jcamins          Like Overdrive. :P
05:35 rangi            still doesnt help
05:35 rangi            which since no one knows you have them
05:35 jcamins          lol
05:35 rangi            lets get ebooks
05:35 rangi            the most frequent is
05:35 rangi            no as in the one that would actually be useful
05:35 dcook            As in the most frequent?
05:35 wahanui          i think Main answer is 'tell people you actually exist and what you offer'
05:35 dcook            Main answer?
05:34 wahanui          I know. That's why I said it.
05:34 dcook            Very true
05:34 rangi            the main answer is 'tell people you actually exist and what you offer'
05:34 jcamins          I can't find any problems with 9521.
05:34 dcook            Interestingly though, I think public libraries in Canada are heaps better than Australia
05:34 rangi            there's a lot of 'how do we be relevant?'
05:34 rangi            i think that is the single biggest problem facing them
05:34 dcook            Agreed
05:34 rangi            libraries are notoriously bad at publicity
05:34 dcook            Oh absolutely
05:33 rangi            well its totally up to people to tell us/someone they are using it
05:33 dcook            I found the available information about use of Koha in Canada to be a bit spotty :/
05:33 dcook            Thanks, rangi :)
05:32 dcook            And great promotion material as well...
05:32 dcook            That is oh so very cool
05:31 rangi            http://211.schoollibrary.edu.pe.ca/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=183759
05:30 dcook            I did not, but that is awesome!
05:30 rangi            http://www.gov.pe.ca/index.php3/index.php3?number=news&newsnumber=7681&dept=&lang=E
05:30 dcook            O_O
05:30 dcook            I suppose Evergreen is pretty big on the west coast, and I think the community website says that there are some instances of Koha randomly through the mid-west, but...I think that Canada would love Koha
05:30 rangi            did you know all the schools PEI use koha?
05:30 dcook            Hmm, maybe I'll have to send some emails their way too
05:29 wahanui          ebegin was last seen on #koha 1 years, 32 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: nengard, let me know if the numbering pattern that I suggest in the email works as expected ;) [Fri Jan  6 20:56:18 2012]
05:29 rangi            seen ebegin
05:29 wahanui          maximep was last seen on #koha 19 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: crazy weather [Fri Jan 18 14:56:55 2013]
05:29 rangi            seen maximep?
05:29 rangi            maximep
05:29 jcamins          Haven't seen them in a while.
05:29 rangi            yep
05:29 jcamins          Sometimes.
05:29 dcook            I'm really keen to promote Koha more back home in Canada as well. Do the Quebec folks ever drop in on the IRC channel?
05:29 rangi            excellent
05:28 dcook            Hmm, I've been looking for a way to keep up with my French as well..
05:28 rangi            http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/278/console
05:28 dcook            I'll make a note of that as well
05:28 jcamins          Yeah.
05:28 dcook            The french manuals?
05:28 dcook            Which french ones?
05:28 rangi            its annoying
05:27 jcamins          That would be very awesome!
05:27 rangi            theyve been failing for a year or so
05:27 dcook            Hm?
05:27 rangi            that would be awesome
05:27 rangi            if you fix the french ones, so they stop failing (just change the html entities into the unicode char they should be)
05:27 jcamins          Yup.
05:27 dcook            Seems like Nicole supports the thing almost completely singlehandedly
05:27 dcook            I have a note to go back and send a patch to kohadocs when I have some time as well
05:26 wajasu           nice
05:25 dcook            Yay!
05:25 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9552' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b48c1e2d2fbcb0e0f8b9635f7d34026585137935> / Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb4ebab07ca52143f8438309c394317fb479a6f6>
05:25 jcamins          Yeah.
05:24 jcamins          [off] lol
05:23 dcook            [off] That sounds awkward...
05:23 dcook            You're DOM?
05:23 dcook            Mmm, could be
05:23 jcamins          Oh, I bet it's GRS-1 vs. DOM.
05:22 dcook            Well...seemingly
05:22 dcook            I just tried "pubdate,gt:2012" and it worked
05:22 jcamins          And we won't have this problem with QueryParser.
05:22 dcook            Hmm
05:22 jcamins          However, the patch is an improvement.
05:21 jcamins          pubdate,st-year,gt works.
05:21 jcamins          I haven't the foggiest idea how pubdate,gt could have worked.
05:21 jcamins          Okay, there we go.
05:20 rangi            http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
05:20 rangi            you could read the code4lib article
05:18 dcook            rangi: I don't even know where to start with the questions about the origin of Koha and your own programming experience
05:18 dcook            But pubdate would just need yyyy, I imagine
05:18 dcook            For acqdate, you'll need to use a yyyy-mm-dd string
05:17 * dcook          tries to remember the test plan
05:17 dcook            I think Galen changed it
05:17 jcamins          Thanks.
05:17 jcamins          Ah!
05:17 dcook            I used acqdate,gt
05:17 dcook            I didn't try pubdate,gt
05:17 dcook            Well, I'm confused for something else
05:17 jcamins          How did pubdate,gt work for you?
05:17 dcook            Me too
05:16 jcamins          Okay... I'm confused.
05:16 dcook            I still don't know if I would do it, but I don't know what the future will bring. Lots of possibilities it seems.
05:15 dcook            jcamins
05:15 dcook            Always reassuring to hear that
05:15 rangi            its only really 4 or 5 years when i worked full time on koha stuff
05:15 jcamins          dcook: I'm mostly kidding. I love having my own business.
05:15 rangi            well not in total
05:15 rangi            naw
05:15 dcook            At least 13?
05:14 dcook            How much of that has been in the library context, rangi?
05:14 dcook            jcamins: I debate it back and forth all the time. I see the hours that my boss puts in...but then I also see the control that you have (and the compensation that comes from being the boss although then you have all the expenses and disasters to worry about too)
05:14 rangi            (paid to programme that is)
05:14 rangi            ive been a programmer for hmm 19 years
05:14 dcook            lol
05:14 jcamins          ... oops. :P
05:13 jcamins          And never ever own your own business.
05:13 jcamins          [off] my father was a partner in his own business when I was little... he travelled a lot.
05:13 rangi            you just have to work for a decent company
05:13 dcook            And yeah...their phone is never off
05:13 dcook            Mmm, I do know a few people who work for IBM and Telstra
05:12 * jcamins        shudders.
05:12 jcamins          rangi: yeah, but the hours...
05:12 rangi            yep
05:12 dcook            Less mental?
05:12 rangi            it's far less mental outside of a library context
05:11 jcamins          I was a pretty good programmer, but it was very stressful.
05:11 dcook            Since then, I have some regret that I didn't do CS (because of my current knowledge gap), but I do wonder if I would've liked it outside a library context
05:11 dcook            When I was in high school, I was planning to do CS, but a friend of my sister's convinced me not to and I did English instead
05:10 dcook            So what made you decide to stop being a programmer?
05:10 dcook            Intriguing
05:10 jcamins          I'm not sure it's that way in every state, but it is in NJ.
05:09 jcamins          Yeah, child labor laws.
05:09 dcook            It seems like you have quite the story!
05:09 dcook            As a citizen?
05:08 jcamins          You have to get a work permit if you're under 17.
05:08 jcamins          Yeah.
05:08 dcook            So where was the work permit for? The US?
05:08 jcamins          After college I set off to Afghanistan to be a librarian, and one thing led to another.
05:07 dcook            Admittedly, I'm in that situation about now
05:07 dcook            That's always good :)
05:07 dcook            My dad taught me how to use DOS and Windows 3.1. He's not a power user, but he knew more back then than most people in my rural community
05:06 jcamins          And I had the good fortune to be hired by a software company as soon as I could get a work permit thingy.
05:06 jenkins_koha     Starting build #1038 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:06 dcook            I might be planning that a little bit for my future wee ones :p
05:06 jcamins          So he taught me when I was little (very little!).
05:06 dcook            Ahhh.
05:05 jcamins          Well, my father is a very senior developer.
05:05 dcook            Self-taught programmer in high school?
05:05 jcamins          Then I decided I was done with that game.
05:05 jcamins          I was a programmer before starting college.
05:04 jcamins          Before, actually.
05:04 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7507' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b322cf9090a78cf0aad9fcc533a0c7cf70ff7a2> / Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=599a36ceab223c55648ee43748e7f52e48bbc77c> / Merge branch 'bug_9546' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=
05:04 dcook            Not that I want to distract you, but where did all the computer science and Koha stuff come into the mix? During your BA/MLIS?
05:03 dcook            I just got my MLIS in December and many of my classmates had never worked in a library
05:03 dcook            I started in libraries about 6 years ago and even that sounds pretty weird at this point
05:03 dcook            Hehe, I bet
05:02 jcamins          *that is
05:01 jcamins          (and let me tell you, that was a really weird thing to find yourself saying)
05:00 jcamins          I'd say that I fit in the first category, but just the other day I said "yes, I did that in the public library I worked at a decade ago."
04:59 dcook            I like to listen :). Most people I know in libraries/library IT are either at the eginning of their careers with little experience or near the end with very different interests and career pathways. Always glad to hear from people with similar interests who work in the same speciality
04:55 jcamins          I'm always happy to talk.
04:55 jcamins          :)
04:55 dcook            You're very welcome. I'd love to hear more about all you've done some time when you have free time. Maybe it'll even be at KohaCon13
04:54 jcamins          Thanks. :)
04:53 dcook            I reiterate what I said before. I don't know where you find the time, or how you've managed to do so much for only being 26
04:53 jcamins          Right.
04:53 dcook            You are certainly a trooper
04:53 dcook            Ahh, but you're looking at pushing not signing or qaing
04:53 dcook            I'll put together my opac css one in a sec :p
04:52 jcamins          I'll look at one or two easier patches and call it a night.
04:52 jcamins          It is, after all, almost midnight.
04:51 * jcamins        will look at it later.
04:50 jcamins          Looks like another Plack issue.
04:50 dcook            I didn't see where they were encoded in the script, but they certainly were in the address bar when I looked
04:49 jcamins          Good question.
04:49 dcook            They're not encoded?
04:48 jcamins          Maybe it's just commas.
04:48 jcamins          No.
04:48 jcamins          Hrm.
04:48 dcook            Weird...are you able to use ",lt" ?
04:48 jcamins          ",gt" in the URL seems to be the problem.
04:48 jcamins          Cause nginx conniptions.
04:47 dcook            What's it do?
04:47 dcook            Really?
04:47 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Passed QA , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
04:47 jcamins          The patch for bug 9552 doesn't work for me.
04:47 dcook            Tried flushing the memcache, tried opening and closing the browser
04:47 jcamins          Hrm.
04:43 dcook            Hmm, that's disconcerting
04:39 dcook            But all the tabs...
04:39 dcook            Probably need to exit and reopen Chrome
04:39 dcook            Hmm, tried emptying the cache
04:38 * wajasu         whoops
04:38 wajasu           ls
04:37 jcamins          Sometimes.
04:37 dcook            I swear that I've had it refresh CSS and Javascript before though
04:37 jcamins          I can never remember.
04:37 jcamins          Or Alt+F5.
04:37 dcook            Just tried that too
04:37 jcamins          Try Ctrl+F5.
04:37 jcamins          Shift+F5 doesn't refresh CSS and Javascript in Chrome.
04:37 dcook            I've just tried bypassing it with shift + f5
04:35 jcamins          Did you try clearing the cache?
04:35 dcook            I've noticed that Chrome often gets the shits with me when I'm using my dev install
04:34 dcook            FF works fine
04:34 dcook            Must be my Chrome being grumpy
04:33 dcook            Hmm
04:32 jcamins          http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/
04:32 jcamins          Looks right to me on my server.
04:32 dcook            At leat in my browser
04:32 dcook            is what shows up in master
04:32 dcook            }
04:32 dcook            padding-left: .7emurl(0/);
04:32 dcook            #cartmenulink {
04:31 dcook            } works
04:31 dcook            padding-left: .7em\0/;
04:31 dcook            #cartmenulink {
04:31 dcook            Unless it's my dev install or browser screwing things up for some reason
04:29 jcamins          Hm.
04:29 dcook            The padding left isn't being picked up it seems, and it's pushing the cart graphic above the text
04:29 dcook            line 1918 of opac.css
04:29 jcamins          dcook: oh?
04:28 dcook            Hmm...there is something funny with the opac css on master
04:11 jcamins          Oh, I didn't realize he was that young.
04:10 rangi            connor is the youngest at 14
04:05 bag              I as going to say that earlier but didn't think in the middle of meeting was right :P
04:05 bag              :D
04:05 bag              wizzyrea++
04:05 bag              oh yeah wizzyrea "I feel the need to note that if the 3 person Rteam were installed, ByWater would have docmanager, translation manager, and RM all at the same time"  I actually like that - getting accused of trying to volunteer too much :)  At least we are trying
04:02 huginn           jcamins: 1 found: #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21,..."
04:02 jcamins          @quote search stares
04:02 huginn           jcamins: 4 found: #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an...", #210: "< oleonard> You could carpet a floor in FIXME's...", #211: "<paul_p> mtate a bug in C4/Search ? That's...", and #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt"
04:02 jcamins          @quote search C4
04:02 huginn           jcamins: 1 found: #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt"
04:02 jcamins          @quote search C4::Search
03:59 jcamins          If it's a backport, it's your call whether it needs another signoff.
03:59 wizzyrea         no I meant, it's for 3.6 ;)
03:58 jcamins          Hehe.
03:58 JDatTeTakere     Damn...wizzyrea beat me to the sandbox.
03:58 wizzyrea         oh nm that one's for me :P
03:58 jcamins          Excellent one!
03:57 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9115 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , basket window should close automatically when placing a hold
03:57 wizzyrea         bug 9115 might be a good one
03:57 jcamins          And if you have any questions, someone on #koha will help out.
03:57 JDatTeTakere     Ooops...help
03:57 jcamins          You're welcome.
03:57 JDatTeTakere     Thanks for your held jcamins
03:57 jcamins          A lot of prolific developers just forget at that point.
03:56 jcamins          Hehe.
03:56 * dcook          takes that as an incentive to go back to a patch he may or may not have sort of abandoned but always meant to go back to
03:55 jcamins          Sometimes patches just get abandoned at that point. :(
03:55 JDatTeTakere     OK...I'll try to find one that I can test now then.
03:55 JDatTeTakere     :-)
03:55 jcamins          We hope.
03:55 jcamins          Exactly.
03:54 JDatTeTakere     And then it's released for testing again?
03:54 jcamins          Then the developer can fix it. :)
03:54 jcamins          You log in and change the status to "Failed QA" and explain what the problem is.
03:54 JDatTeTakere     I have a login...
03:54 jcamins          If it doesn't work, you will need a login for Bugzilla.
03:53 JDatTeTakere     OK...that's what I meant
03:53 jcamins          You will almost always want the "tiny MARC21" database.
03:52 jcamins          That setup page gives you an option.
03:52 jcamins          If it works, you use the same setup page to sign off.
03:52 JDatTeTakere     How do I choose a database?
03:51 jcamins          You'll get an e-mail saying that the sandbox is set up, at which point you can log into the staff client and work through the test plan.
03:51 jcamins          So you could choose sandbox1, follow the link to set up the sandbox (http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/sandbox.pl), fill in the bug number and e-mail address (and choose a database).
03:50 JDatTeTakere     OK
03:50 jcamins          On that wiki page are links to the sandboxes that are set up.
03:49 jcamins          But let's assume that we know how to test that bug for the moment.
03:49 jcamins          (once there's a test plan... I have no idea what the problem is)
03:49 wajasu           jcamins: ok. i feel better about migrating to packages
03:48 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages)
03:48 jcamins          For example, bug 9484.
03:48 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: so from that list you'd need to choose a bug that you think you can test.
03:48 jcamins          wajasu: it should.
03:47 wajasu           jcamins: if i do a package install, and a dev install with (ICU), would it be sufficient to just diff the zebra configs directory hierarchy to determine what i need to change after a package install?
03:46 jcamins          However, you actually do not need an account to use the sandboxes.
03:46 jcamins          Yes, you'll definitely want an account on Bugzilla.
03:45 jcamins          (that's the only link that will always work, whether you're logged in or not, which is why I took you the long way around)
03:45 dcook            Night bag
03:45 JDatTeTakere     So I need to set up an account in Bugzilla
03:45 JDatTeTakere     Yes, see that
03:45 jcamins          "Needs Signoff" is a link that will always get you to a list of the patches awaiting sign off.
03:44 jcamins          If you go to http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ you'll see a "Bug statuses" section about halfway down.
03:44 bag              good night I'm heading home
03:43 jcamins          Step one is to choose a patch for testing.
03:43 JDatTeTakere     Cool - thanks
03:43 jcamins          So I'll quickly go over the procedure for testing on sandboxes.
03:42 jcamins          Right.
03:42 JDatTeTakere     Zebra is the search engine?
03:42 jcamins          Oh yes!
03:41 jcamins          In particular, any patch that involves a change to Zebra can't be tested using sandboxes.
03:41 JDatTeTakere     But sandboxes are a good way to start?
03:41 JDatTeTakere     OK...
03:41 jcamins          The sandboxes can only test certain kinds of patches.
03:41 jcamins          The second allows you to test a wider variety of patches.
03:41 JDatTeTakere     I actually have a spare PC floating around here at home that I was thinking of installing Koha on...
03:40 JDatTeTakere     OK...I'll check out the sandboxes.
03:40 jcamins          The second is by running a Koha installation on a spare server or virtual machine.
03:40 jcamins          That page has instructions for using sandboxes.
03:40 jcamins          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
03:39 jcamins          The first is using the "sandboxes."
03:38 jcamins          There are two ways to test patches for Koha.
03:38 JDatTeTakere     OK...what do I need to know
03:38 jcamins          The bad news is, it's never ending.
03:38 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: okay, the good news is that testing is easy!
03:26 dcook            Can't say that I've ever heard it come up
03:25 * wizzyrea       thinks there is not but... just checking.
03:25 wizzyrea         there is no way to generate all of the invoices for patrons who have lost items, is there?
03:24 dcook            No worries. I'm intrigued. I'm actually looking at other authority stuff at the moment. Good luck!
03:23 wajasu           thanks.
03:23 dcook            I'm not sure. Your answer will lie in detail.pl and opac-detail.pl most likely though
03:23 wajasu           i'll look into building the queryparms string in the perl, and exposing it as a variable to be substituted.
03:23 dcook            Hmm, actually, now that I think about it...
03:22 dcook            moredetail.tt is probably written to from detail.pl as well
03:22 wajasu           its easy if you grep for UseAuthoritesForTracings in the xslt templates.
03:21 dcook            Mmm, in that case detail.pl and opac-detail.pl
03:21 wajasu           detail.tt  and moredetail.tt(i think)
03:21 dcook            I imagine you'll want to look at Search.pm, search.pl, and opac-search.pl
03:21 dcook            Is this in the search results or the detail page? Or both?
03:20 dcook            Then you'll want to go to the associated Perl script. Before it pushes the variable/parameter to the template, you'll want to write a condition that detects if UseAuthoritiesForTracings is set, and then change that variable to the authority number (which might be floating around in a variable around there or you might need to use retrieve it some other way)
03:19 dcook            The way I see it, you'll want to see what the variable name is that renders as au:Joe Cool in the template
03:17 wajasu           i'm writing one now.
03:17 wajasu           instead of  au:Joe Cool , I need the format using the RLIN.
03:17 dcook            Hmm. Have you filed a bug report?
03:16 wajasu           the Authors  links aren't changing like that do for the XSLT views.
03:16 wajasu           i need to get some query params to change based on UseAuthoritesForTracings
03:16 dcook            In terms of generating the different search URL?
03:15 dcook            Well, what is it that you're trying to do?
03:15 dcook            Ahh.
03:15 wajasu           i just need to get familiar with things like: where is the perl side :)
03:14 wajasu           that makes sense.
03:13 * dcook          is confused
03:13 dcook            Or do it on the perl side
03:13 dcook            If syspref, then this url
03:13 dcook            I imagine you could just do it with a TT conditional
03:11 wajasu           INClude, or custom function
03:11 wajasu           if i want to generate a different search URL based on a syspref setting, is there an example or desired way to do this.
03:11 dcook            wajasu: strategy?
03:11 dcook            Using the IRC logs rather than the wiki. I've updated the wiki since then.
03:10 dcook            It got blitzed one day, so I had to re-install and re-configure
03:10 dcook            Sorry, jcamins.
03:10 dcook            Ah no
03:10 jcamins          wajasu: huh?
03:10 dcook            ?
03:10 jcamins          Right, but if it doesn't work, we'll fix it. :)
03:10 wajasu           anyone here familiar with the template toolkit strategy for koha?
03:10 dcook            My config is based on what you told me last year
03:10 dcook            You already did :p
03:10 jcamins          I can walk you through git-bz after I help JDatTeTakere.
03:09 jcamins          It shouldn't matter.
03:09 wizzyrea         hm, shouldn't matter. Well that might matter.
03:09 dcook            without root access :p
03:09 dcook            < opensuse
03:09 wizzyrea         < ubuntu
03:09 dcook            Different systems I assume
03:09 wizzyrea         <.<
03:09 dcook            I had to Google the IRC log where jcamins and...mtj I think explained it a bit more
03:09 wizzyrea         >.>
03:09 wizzyrea         it worked for me 2 weeks ago
03:09 dcook            I had to set up my git bz again recently, and I don't think the config on the wiki worked
03:09 cjh              dcook: if you learn something that isnt on the wiki, please consider adding it :)
03:08 JDatTeTakere     It's OK jcamins...I am at home.
03:08 * dcook          ponders
03:08 wahanui          wizzyrea: I forgot things
03:08 wizzyrea         forget things
03:08 wahanui          things are quiet here. I think most people are still running on holiday brain.
03:08 wizzyrea         what things?
03:07 dcook            things*
03:07 * dcook          just learned last year, so it's still pretty fresh. Especially when it comes to thinks that aren't on the wiki...yet
03:07 dcook            People are pretty good about helping out with questions on testing as well
03:07 jcamins          No need to test on your holiday!
03:07 jcamins          We can do this when you get back easily. :)
03:07 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: in that case, go home!
03:06 JDatTeTakere     OK...officially on holiday but can hang around.
03:06 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: no, if you'll be around for a while, I'll be off the phone soon.
03:06 cjh              wizzyrea: iirc jorgia was in her 2nd to last year of high-school, bart was a year or so younger.
03:06 JDatTeTakere     Should we schedule a better time to learn about testing jcamins?
03:06 dcook            I thought so, jcamins. I'm astounded by how much you've done in that time.
03:05 wizzyrea         ah yep, I forgot him and jorgia
03:05 jcamins          26
03:05 cjh              hmm i'll have to check how old Bart was when his first patch went in
03:04 * dcook          doesn't make that joke
03:04 JDatTeTakere     Old enough to have a wife
03:04 dcook            Which reminds me, how old is jcamins?
03:04 wizzyrea         ah yep cjh and pianohacker and mragent075 all younger than you
03:04 bag              painohacker was 14 when he got a patch in
03:04 dcook            I thought I was young at 25 :p
03:04 dcook            night libsysguy
03:04 libsysguy        gnight
03:03 libsysguy        well I just turned 24
03:03 dcook            Just wait until I have some sprogs
03:03 libsysguy        ah dang it
03:03 cjh              heh
03:03 wahanui          i heard mragent075 was our academy student :)
03:03 wizzyrea         16
03:03 jcamins          mragent075.
03:03 cjh              Im pretty sure im younger than you, but im not the youngest to have a patch in.
03:03 dcook            :o
03:03 libsysguy        oh
03:03 wizzyrea         mragent075 is
03:03 libsysguy        pianohacker may have it
03:03 jcamins          Not anymore.
03:03 wizzyrea         mmm no
03:03 libsysguy        I think
03:03 libsysguy        oh…yeah that too
03:03 libsysguy        later wizzyrea
03:03 cjh              koha's youngest dev?
03:02 libsysguy        oh I will ;)
03:02 wizzyrea         you should go party on the deck.
03:02 libsysguy        :)
03:02 libsysguy        and have a good night
03:02 * wizzyrea       nods
03:02 libsysguy        ignore the grammer
03:02 wahanui          libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
03:02 wizzyrea         libsysguy?
03:02 * libsysguy      thinks if I don't leave soon his Swede is going to be pissed
03:01 nancyk           bye
03:01 jcamins          dcook: pretty much.
03:00 * dcook          thinks it is always daytime in jcamins brain.
03:00 nancyk           husband and dog are wanting dinner, ok ,i'll hop!
03:00 jcamins          nancyk: if you are going to be around tomorrow morning (your time), just hop on and I'll take some time to go over testing with you. :)
02:59 JDatTeTakere     Later is fine.
02:59 nancyk           7PM on the 6th
02:59 jcamins          If it weren't for my phone call to my wife, I'd do it now. :)
02:59 jcamins          10pm.
02:59 JDatTeTakere     What time is it for you now?
02:59 * mtompset       grins.
02:58 jcamins          Ask anyone on #koha when it is "not day" for me. ;)
02:58 jcamins          nancyk: "our day" = "when it is daytime for you"
02:58 nancyk           I'm bad at guessing time zones, but ok
02:58 jcamins          nancyk: it would be, and I hope someone will be giving it.
02:57 nancyk           How to become a tester would be a good presentation
02:57 cjh              jcamins++
02:57 jcamins          nancyk: would it be possible to set up a time to give you a tutorial during our day?
02:57 jcamins          Actually... you're in NZ, so it'll be daytime for you for a while.
02:57 dcook            wizzyrea++
02:56 JDatTeTakere     I can wait
02:56 jcamins          I'm on the phone, but just to drive my wife nuts, I'll type too...
02:56 JDatTeTakere     Yes...me :-)
02:56 jcamins          Okay, some people were interested in testing.
02:55 gmcharlt         wizzyrea++
02:55 druthb           wizzyrea++
02:55 nancyk           It will be a lot of fun!
02:54 JDatTeTakere     Thanks wizzyrea
02:54 dcook            And beer
02:54 druthb           Beer.
02:54 wizzyrea         yussss
02:54 dcook            True enough. I'm excited to meet folks in person
02:54 huginn           Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_meeting__2012_02_06.2013-02-07-02.05.log.html
02:54 huginn           Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_meeting__2012_02_06.2013-02-07-02.05.txt
02:54 huginn           Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_meeting__2012_02_06.2013-02-07-02.05.html
02:54 huginn           Meeting ended Thu Feb  7 02:52:20 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
02:54 wizzyrea         #endmeeting
02:54 wizzyrea         later thd
02:54 * thd            races to the market before closing
02:54 druthb           Socializin', sticking faces with names, at last...
02:54 dcook            Excellent. Thank you for all your answers :)
02:54 dcook            Mmmm
02:54 nancyk           Training, sharing, mentoring, planning , working
02:53 druthb           All the above, and more.
02:53 wizzyrea         it's a global gathering of koha users and developers for the enrichment of all of them
02:53 dcook            Discussing the future? Success stories of the present? All the above? None of the above?
02:53 dcook            Well, it's a generic question. What is the purpose of Koha con?
02:53 nancyk           I'm still here
02:53 bag              +1
02:52 dcook            I did have a question before about Kohacon
02:52 thd              That is actually Wednesday UTC next time.
02:52 wizzyrea         Thank you friends for a most excellent meeting - anything else before we wrap this up?
02:52 khall            +1
02:52 davidnind        +1
02:52 wizzyrea         #info Next meeting time 13 March 2013, 18:00 UTC
02:52 cjh              +1
02:52 JDatTeTakere     +1
02:52 dcook            I won't disagree but I'm not going to be up at 5am
02:52 thd              +1
02:51 druthb           +1
02:51 jwagner          +1
02:51 gmcharlt         +1
02:51 jcamins          +1
02:51 wizzyrea         2013, future dwellers.
02:51 jcamins          Sure.
02:51 dcook            Hmm
02:50 wizzyrea         that's gonna be 13 Mar. 18:00 UTC
02:50 jcamins          Second Wednesday.
02:50 wizzyrea         dcook - thd is quite adept with the wiki
02:50 jcamins          18:00UTC.
02:50 thd              Wiki categories are extensible and you can extend them as needed.
02:50 wizzyrea         this is the part I am very bad at.
02:49 wizzyrea         #topic set time and date for next meeting
02:49 wizzyrea         that brings us to
02:49 wizzyrea         righty o then
02:49 jcamins          I do not know.
02:49 wizzyrea         any progress to report?
02:49 wizzyrea         Does anyone have any idea what magnus has been up to with the dev handbook?
02:48 wizzyrea         so right, Actions from last meeting - looks like we have made some progress with bugzilla cleaning
02:47 dcook            Hehe. Noted.
02:47 wizzyrea         sure, it's a wiki you can categorise however you want to :)
02:46 dcook            Do they just go under the Participation category on the wiki? Seems like a Proposal category/sub-category might be an idea, so it's not filing by the page title
02:46 wizzyrea         shoot
02:46 dcook            Quick question on roles
02:46 wizzyrea         #topic actions from 9 Jan meeting
02:45 wizzyrea         All righty then
02:45 wizzyrea         Right, any more discussion needed on Roles for Pi?
02:45 * dcook          facepalm
02:45 dcook            I thought that said two minutes...
02:44 wizzyrea         #info vote for release team is in two meetings time
02:44 wizzyrea         oh, what he said
02:44 wizzyrea         that was the plan I believe
02:44 jcamins          bag: two meetings, I think.
02:44 bag              probably vote next meeting?
02:44 wizzyrea         and if you concretely want out of a role, please say and we will actively try to find someone to relieve you
02:43 wizzyrea         those who want to stay on I think simply need to state that
02:43 wizzyrea         #action interested parties should submit their proposals for release team duties to the wiki, and mail the link to the devel list
02:43 druthb           On the less-contentious side of things, I've been learning the TM role, and have had some lovely help from cait and tcohen in particular.  If no one else wants it, I'll continue.
02:42 wizzyrea         is if you are interested - do up a proposal for what you want to accomplish as RM - simply as an example http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Katrin%27s_Proposal_for_QAM_3.12 and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Jcamins_Proposal_for_RM-3.12
02:42 gmcharlt         jcamins: yes, but I'll need to cogitate a bit
02:41 jcamins          Concrete proposals?
02:41 wizzyrea         right so - What I think we are wanting
02:41 * gmcharlt       is considering a prposal for RM or an RMaint ... and I also have some ideas on potential ways to spread the load
02:41 wizzyrea         ^^
02:41 jcamins          It's good practice.
02:41 bag              I think rangi would perfer more time signing off on things than Rmaint-ing (but he speaks for himself better than I do )
02:40 jcamins          Speaking as the current RM, I'd encourage everyone who wants to RM try RMainting first.
02:40 wizzyrea         repsonsibility on that
02:40 wizzyrea         yes I am sure nicole would be happy to share
02:40 cjh              dcook++ awesome
02:40 druthb           dcook++
02:40 kathryn          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help <-- of interest?
02:40 jcamins          dcook++
02:40 dcook            I was thinking of actually shooting Nicole an email about collaborating on the manual if nothing else
02:40 bag              we also need RMaint's etc
02:40 wizzyrea         keeping the online help up to date
02:40 libsysguy        oh waht not who
02:39 * dcook          has been thinking about doing some work on the documentation
02:39 wizzyrea         keeping the manual up to date
02:39 libsysguy        nengard
02:39 dcook            Hmm, what's involved with docmanager?
02:39 jcamins          bag: if necessary, I'll do it again.
02:39 bag              no worries I just didn't see anyone else offering up - and I know jcamins doesn't want to do another round
02:39 dcook            I'm still trying to get back into a stable work routine at the moment, but I would be willing to learn more about being on the QA team. If nothing else, I could take on a lot of the little signed off patches that would free up the bigger QA guns
02:38 jcamins          wizzyrea: that's a good point.
02:38 wizzyrea         I feel the need to note that if the 3 person Rteam were installed, ByWater would have docmanager, translation manager, and RM all at the same time
02:38 dcook            I'm encouraged by jcamins's faith ;)
02:37 khall            Cjh, absolutely!
02:37 mtompset         mistakes always do, libsysguy. Don't feel bad. :)
02:37 cjh              khall: qa also means that the feature is conforming to the project guidelines (style, testing, etc.)
02:36 * libsysguy      knew that would come back to bite me
02:36 * druthb         picks on libsysguy all the time; he's used to it.
02:36 libsysguy        I owned that one
02:36 libsysguy        its cool
02:36 khall            In general
02:36 jcamins          libsysguy: sorry to pick on you.
02:36 jcamins          It actually failed QA and then was marked "passed" by someone else.
02:36 libsysguy        ah carp
02:36 khall            A sign off says the feature works, a qa says the feature doesn't break anything
02:36 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
02:36 jcamins          khall: as an example, look at bug 9239.
02:35 JDatTeTakere     I'm happy to put my hand up for something...not sure whether it's testing or QA or something else.
02:35 cjh              as qa you will have to read some code, mostly checking for style conformance. The tests are automated, but if they fail it can help to know if it is you or the patch that is causing this.
02:35 thd              dcook: If the code could be self validating there would be no need for QA people.
02:35 libsysguy        jcamins has a step in the right direction with the requisite of unit tests for all backend code
02:35 khall            Testing plans are more for sign offs
02:35 bag              libsysguy++
02:34 * libsysguy      would like to automate test
02:34 jcamins          A certain level of knowledge, but you'll learn. :)
02:34 dcook            Or is this still where testing plans come in ?
02:34 wizzyrea         perhaps a good understanding of the style rules that govern us
02:34 dcook            Are tests all automated or is a certain level of knowledge required?
02:34 dcook            Willingness and ability are one thing
02:34 jcamins          dcook: a willingness to test thoroughly and offer useful feedback.
02:34 bag              dcook: volunteering
02:34 dcook            Not that I'm nominating myself at the moment, but I'm curious.
02:34 cjh              the idea of an 'RM mentoring program' does sound interesting though
02:34 dcook            What does it take to be on the QA team?
02:33 khall            Could you explain the coordination issues
02:33 wizzyrea         *nod*
02:33 * gmcharlt       would suggest increasing the numbers of the QA team first
02:33 libsysguy        so I don't want to go grey at 24 :p
02:33 libsysguy        I have never been in the position before
02:32 libsysguy        but
02:32 libsysguy        I don't think diving up the time would be a bad idea
02:32 mtompset         Dito.
02:32 cjh              ^^ my concerns.
02:32 jcamins          The coordination will drive you to an early grave.
02:32 wizzyrea         I think I'd need to see a formalised proposal.
02:32 jcamins          bag: crazy.
02:32 bag              so I'm asking crazy or not?
02:32 bag              yes we work closely everyday as a group - so it wouldn't be anything new to us
02:32 wizzyrea         well I think you are perfectly within your rights to put out a proposal for that setup
02:31 bag              between the three of us we can split up time and duties - with RM and some QA etc...
02:31 jcamins          A three-person RM team?
02:31 bag              libsysguy, khall and I - as a three headed monster for RM
02:31 wizzyrea         bag, please go ahead
02:30 wizzyrea         right, so roles
02:30 bag              Well I've got a thought here and an idea - I'd like to bounce off all of you
02:30 wizzyrea         ha
02:30 gmcharlt         or a big tiger release
02:30 mtompset         Does that mean 15 minor releases? ;)
02:30 wizzyrea         no, that's just me. You can feel free to adopt that.
02:30 libsysguy        excellent
02:30 libsysguy        we're calling it PI !!
02:29 jcamins          :)
02:29 wizzyrea         #topic Roles for 3.14 (code name PI)
02:29 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: you too.
02:29 jcamins          nancyk: after the meeting I'll walk you through it.
02:29 JDatTeTakere     Me too...re: tester
02:29 wizzyrea         right so -
02:29 bag              nancyk++
02:29 jcamins          nancyk: excellent!
02:29 wizzyrea         yep, bring it up at the hackfest :)
02:29 nancyk           Iwant to know how to become a tester
02:29 JDatTeTakere     Thanks everyone...looking forward to meeting some of you in real life
02:29 huginn           wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
02:29 wizzyrea         @quote add thd: With free software every user at any level should be a developer
02:28 thd              JDatTeTakere: With free software every user at any level should be a developer.
02:28 * libsysguy      shudders
02:28 libsysguy        indeed, not everyone needs to know how to modify the marc editor :)
02:28 dcook            While I already have some support for sending me over, I'd like to know what to expect to gain/contribute to it
02:28 wizzyrea         it's really helpful to have users around when designing things
02:28 JDatTeTakere     Awesome - thank you. Looking forward to my first KohaCon
02:27 nancyk           #info we have an iRC meeting on the 19th
02:27 dcook            To go off that, what's the purpose of the con?
02:27 wizzyrea         my experience says "every level"
02:27 bag              JDatTeTakere: any level is more than welcome
02:27 * dcook          has the same question as JDatTeTakere
02:27 nancyk           not yet, but soon
02:27 bag              any upcoming timeline?  like proposals due for talks?  or anything like that
02:27 JDatTeTakere     What level of Koha user is the hackfest for?
02:26 wizzyrea         go for it
02:26 JDatTeTakere     I have a general question about Koha cons
02:26 wizzyrea         very cool - sounds like you've got it in hand. Any questions for nancyk?
02:26 nancyk           that's it for now
02:26 nancyk           #info suggestions are always welcome
02:25 nancyk           #info a generous vendor has promised to sponsor
02:25 wizzyrea         is there anything you need help on from the global community?
02:25 nancyk           will be settting up registration and other info
02:24 wizzyrea         excellent
02:24 wizzyrea         right, so nancyk,
02:24 jcamins          Hooray!
02:24 nancyk           #info Contract with the hotel signing this week.
02:24 wizzyrea         whee!
02:24 wizzyrea         #topic Kohacon2013
02:24 gmcharlt         wizzyrea: do #topic FOO
02:23 wizzyrea         Righto then, I realize I haven't been marking the agenda items - gmcharlt how does one do that (an example would be fine)
02:23 bag              HA
02:23 wahanui          Anything else is a guess
02:23 jcamins          Anything else?
02:22 wizzyrea         if you have a good test plans (possibly even instructions on how to get your data into a testable state) it really, really helps
02:22 jcamins          thd: I look forward to seeing a an improved sandbox implementation.
02:21 thd              Actually, bootable is too high a barrier of entry.
02:21 jcamins          cjh: the bottleneck is worse at QA, thanks to the reduced number of QAers, but only barely.
02:21 gmcharlt         #info write your patches to be easy to test -- e.g., separate whitespace changes into their own patches, include POD, and repeat, include test cases
02:21 libsysguy        based on the numbers I'd say half and half
02:21 wizzyrea         both, at the moment
02:21 dcook            #info David Cook, Sydney, Australia
02:21 cjh              jcamins: is the bottleneck more of a qa or sign-off thing?
02:21 jcamins          mtompset: every developer should test at least one patch.
02:21 jcamins          thd: it exists, the problem is *not* technical.
02:20 thd              What is the status of work on a boot system from which a new patch could be tested?
02:20 wizzyrea         test patches
02:20 jcamins          #info Test plans are NOT OPTIONAL.
02:20 mtompset         How could we solve the 50% problem now?
02:20 jcamins          #info Everyone needs to test.
02:20 jcamins          Any questions?
02:20 jcamins          And that's the status.
02:20 jcamins          As a reminder, new developments written during the hackfest will be held for 3.14.
02:19 jcamins          There are only 168 hours a week, and I can't spend more than half of them on RM work.
02:19 wizzyrea         so the moral is, if you submit a patch, test one too, sign off if you can, mark it if you can't
02:19 jcamins          However, as the feature freeze approaches, it will be too late.
02:18 jcamins          thd: yes, and I look forward to seeing the situation improve.
02:18 thd              That bottleneck should be in principle easier to solve than a RM backlog.
02:18 jcamins          But for 3.12 we don't have that.
02:18 jcamins          For 3.14 it might be a good idea to have a larger QA team.
02:18 jcamins          If people don't test, the code doesn't go in.
02:18 wizzyrea         and very good test plans
02:18 jcamins          We need people to test.
02:17 jcamins          thd: no, because it's not my backlog.
02:17 wizzyrea         dcook - meeting
02:17 wizzyrea         sounds like it's time for a pep talk :)
02:17 dcook            Random question for rangi or anyone else who might know...
02:17 thd              Could you not delegate some of the task to allow the backlog to be managed?
02:17 jcamins          Bug fixes naturally need to receive priority, but I would _really_ like to see more of the good code we have go into 3.12.
02:17 jcamins          Of those, the majority are enhancements.
02:17 jcamins          mtompset: at least.
02:16 jcamins          129 bugs awaiting QA.
02:16 mtompset         50%?! :(
02:16 jcamins          138 bugs awaiting sign off.
02:16 jcamins          We have...
02:16 jcamins          As of right now, I would say that at least 50% of the outstanding enhancements have no chance of getting into 3.12.
02:16 wizzyrea         #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-February/038846.html
02:16 jcamins          However, we have a *massive* backlog of patches.
02:15 jcamins          And it's pretty stable for a release at this point in the cycle.
02:15 bag              also give the french hackfest an idea of things to tackle
02:15 jcamins          Well, on the one hand, lots of great things are going into 3.12.
02:15 jcamins          Thanks.
02:15 bag              and thank you jcamins - nice to have it some what more clear :)
02:15 wizzyrea         you talk, I'll look ;)
02:15 jcamins          (looking now)
02:15 wizzyrea         ok, so how are you feeling about 3.12
02:14 thd              #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
02:14 jcamins          I do not.
02:14 wizzyrea         I saw that the schedule was posted - jcamins do you have a link for the irc log?
02:14 jcamins          I sent out a timeline a few days ago.
02:14 jcamins          Yes.
02:14 wizzyrea         so on to Update about 3.12
02:13 wizzyrea         I think 3.8 and 3.10 are going along ok - I don't know if there's all that much to say about it
02:13 mtompset         Nothing big... just if I get SAML 2.0 to work, we could get wider acceptance of Koha in the organization. :)
02:13 wajasu           my bad
02:13 jcamins          wajasu: yes, but right now we're in the middle of a meeting.
02:13 libsysguy        nah, its out there, if anybody cares to look at it, go for it
02:13 wajasu           if i migrate to koha-packages and i want ICU(or ICR whatever for the character choice), is that a manual adjustment?
02:13 wizzyrea         nah, if you want to talk about that you go ahead
02:12 * libsysguy      pipes down
02:12 wizzyrea         ok then on to the 3.8 update - rangi you about?
02:12 libsysguy        possibly the nginx installer?
02:12 wahanui          nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
02:12 wizzyrea         nothing?
02:12 wizzyrea         features you're developing that you want to suggest a sign off for
02:12 wizzyrea         cool :)
02:11 mtompset         shortly. :)
02:11 mtompset         I could be back on Koha development...
02:11 wizzyrea         going once
02:11 wizzyrea         births, deaths, new migrations you want to brag about
02:11 wizzyrea         announcements?
02:11 wizzyrea         right, so, see above :P
02:11 mtompset         Solved. :)
02:10 huginn           Current chairs: gmcharlt wizzyrea
02:10 gmcharlt         #chair wizzyrea
02:10 wizzyrea         right well.
02:10 jcamins          mtompset: right.
02:10 mtompset         (because he started the meeting?)
02:10 wizzyrea         does anyone have any announcements that aren't already on the agenda?
02:09 jcamins          I think gmcharlt has to chair the meeting.
02:09 wizzyrea         to start with, we have Announcements
02:09 wizzyrea         Right, so hello everybody, welcome to the Koha community meeting, I'll be your taskmaster today
02:09 trea             #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions
02:09 khall            #info Kyle M Hall, Bywater
02:09 mtompset         (I was reading the back actions)
02:09 nancyk           #info nancyk Reno, Nevada
02:08 mtompset         Oops... wrong one. :)
02:08 wizzyrea         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_February_2013
02:08 mtompset         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_9_January_2013
02:08 wahanui          i guess agenda is a wiki
02:08 wizzyrea         agenda?
02:08 jcamins          #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12
02:08 bag              #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
02:08 eythian          #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
02:08 cjh              #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT
02:08 mtompset         #info Mark Tompsett, Canada
02:08 kathryn          #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT
02:08 libsysguy        #info Elliott Davis, Bywater, QAA
02:07 jwagner          #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:07 wizzyrea         (please :)
02:07 davidnind        #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand (currently at DrupalCon Sydney)
02:07 druthb           #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater, Translation Manager 3.12
02:07 JDatTeTakere     #info Joanne Dillon (JD), Te Takere
02:07 gmcharlt         #info Galen Charlton, Equinox
02:07 wizzyrea         present yourselves.
02:07 wizzyrea         #info Liz Rea, CatalystIT
02:07 huginn           The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting__2012_02_06'
02:07 huginn           Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
02:07 huginn           Meeting started Thu Feb  7 02:05:11 2013 UTC.  The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
02:07 gmcharlt         #startmeeting General Meeting, 2012-02-06
02:07 libsysguy        heh
02:07 wahanui          i already had it that way, huginn.
02:07 wahanui          if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
02:07 huginn           gmcharlt: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
02:07 gmcharlt         #startmeeting
02:07 eythian          meatbot
02:06 wizzyrea         gmcharlt - would you mind starting meetbot?
02:06 * libsysguy      could be wrong
02:06 bag              ah cait :)
02:06 * libsysguy      thought it was cait
02:06 * bag            votes not me
02:06 bag              or is there someone who should be doing that?
02:05 bag              wizzyrea: you wanna chair it?
02:05 mtompset         Yes. Let's start the meeting.
02:05 khall            Yeah, meeting time
02:05 kathryn          present!
02:05 cjh              oh well, always next time.
02:05 wizzyrea         yes, are we going to have a meeting?
02:05 cjh              yeah, apparently we all missed it.
02:05 mtompset         meeting time 2 minutes ago?
02:04 bag              the salad was on par :P
02:04 wizzyrea         right so meeting time?
02:03 libsysguy        #lesson never leave backstrap for salad
02:03 bag              Aloo (my dog) actually stole two pieces off of my wifes plate when we were in the other room fixing the salad :P  lucky doggie
02:02 mtompset         libsysguy++ # yes to the bacon! :)
02:02 JDatTeTakere     The vegetarian closes her eyes
02:02 * gmcharlt       is absolutely starving now :)
02:02 libsysguy        that is the only way to eat backstrap
02:02 libsysguy        I hope you wrapped it in bacon
02:02 bag              gmcharlt: I had some grilled venison backstrap :D  yummy!
02:01 bag              ah actually made it
02:00 libsysguy        in 2
02:00 wahanui          i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
02:00 libsysguy        meeting time!
01:54 jcamins          Hehe.
01:53 * khall          likes to fish. The only sport where he can read at the same time
01:52 libsysguy        I guess I've always had tilapia filets
01:51 mtompset         I agree with you on the salmon steaks, libsysguy.
01:51 mtompset         Yes, first world problems, khall. :)
01:50 mtompset         Their bones are thinner/smaller.
01:50 khall            First world problems ;-)
01:50 * wizzyrea       has never had a bone in a tilapia
01:50 libsysguy        stinkin salmon steaks
01:50 libsysguy        I always miss one
01:49 libsysguy        ah yes I hate the bones too
01:49 libsysguy        yeah Anna is an *Awesome* cook
01:49 mtompset         Though, I prefered filet, because I really hate bones. :)
01:49 khall            Heh
01:49 * gmcharlt       is suddenly hungry
01:48 khall            That sounds good
01:48 mtompset         Tilapia is delicious.
01:48 druthb           mmmmm
01:48 libsysguy        and then parmesan crusted tilapia
01:48 mtompset         Ooooo.... pureed. ;)
01:48 libsysguy        its pureed
01:48 khall            Sounds fancy
01:47 mtompset         Not really into squash, myself, but that still sounds delicious. :)
01:47 libsysguy        mtompset yes Anna cooked a butternut squash risotto
01:47 druthb           Doing okay.  It's been a brisk couple of weeks for me.
01:46 mtompset         libsysguy: Have a good dinner/supper/tea/whatever you want to call it?
01:46 mtompset         druthb: nice to see you again! How are you?
01:46 * libsysguy      runs away in tears
01:46 libsysguy        :'(
01:46 libsysguy        "
01:46 * druthb         mocks libsysguy derisively, then hugs him
01:45 libsysguy_dinner oops
01:45 libsysguy_dinner /nick libsysguy
01:44 mtompset         Noted, bag.
01:44 bag              be about 5 minutes late
01:21 mtompset         [off] At least I'm still alive to attempt the syntax. My wife now has her G1 driver's license (we have a graduated licensing system here). ;)
01:20 jcamins          YOu had it right the first time. :)
01:19 mtompset         ++drojf # can't remember syntax. :)
01:19 mtompset         drojf++
01:19 jcamins          Very.
01:19 mtompset         I guess this meeting is bad for our European friends?
01:16 mtompset         Thanks, I went to the wiki and searched for meeting. It came up.
01:15 jcamins          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_February_2013
01:14 wahanui          agenda is, like, a wiki
01:14 mtompset         agenda?
01:11 mtompset         We've got two on the table now.
01:11 mtompset         Already had one plan fail.
01:11 jcamins          Right.
01:11 mtompset         As long as they work.
01:11 jcamins          Plans are useful.
01:10 mtompset         However, a plan to resolve that is under way.
01:09 mtompset         Yes, and still experiencing a funding shortfall.
01:08 jcamins          Still in Canada I see. :)
01:08 jcamins          There is a _film_ musical of the Producers. I did not know that.
01:07 mtompset         Long time no chat, jcamins. :)
01:07 jcamins          Greetings.
01:07 mtompset         Greetings, #koha.
00:57 * jcamins        would be afraid to speculate.
00:57 eythian          yeah. It's a bizarre thing for it to do though, I wonder what it thought was going on.
00:56 jcamins          I have to say, a little bit more in the way of error messages would not go amiss.
00:55 eythian          told you it should be easy ;)
00:54 jcamins          Yeah, I think I may have accidentally left a trailing slash when I removed the destination, per your instructions.
00:53 eythian          ah. I noted that you don't need the destination, but didn't see the trailing slash
00:53 jcamins          And possibly there was also a problem with the system I was trying to install on earlier. I spun up a new one.
00:53 jcamins          There needed to be no trailing slash and no destination for my added line.
00:52 jcamins          Got it!
00:47 eythian          yeah
00:47 jcamins          You could probably use 3.10 instead... it's just a file.
00:46 eythian          My copy of master may be a bit old though
00:46 jcamins          So... something else weird about my installation.
00:46 eythian          no, it shouldn't
00:45 jcamins          I mean... it shouldn't, right?
00:45 jcamins          How come that passes under pbuilder for me?
00:45 * jcamins        scratches his head.
00:44 eythian          grr
00:44 eythian          #   Failed test 'use C4::Breeding;'
00:44 eythian          DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localhost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /tmp/buildd/koha-3.9/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 802
00:40 eythian          that's a start I suppose :)
00:40 jcamins          But at least the build completed.
00:39 jcamins          Probably not.
00:39 jcamins          Wait... did I get it working?!?
00:39 eythian          yeah, I'm just having to tweak things to make master build at all
00:39 jcamins          So `echo "Testing" > etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml` will bring you to the same state.
00:38 eythian          yeah
00:38 jcamins          But as I said, the only file that matters from 9239 is etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml
00:38 eythian          I see the dependencies need an update for that.,
00:38 eythian          OK
00:38 jcamins          On top of master.
00:38 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
00:38 jcamins          bug 9239
00:37 eythian          jcamins: what branch are you building against?
00:37 jcamins          Thanks!
00:37 eythian          unrelated, but I've added libtext-undiacritic-perl to the repo at BibLibre's request.
00:36 jcamins          Thanks.
00:35 eythian          I'm having a few goes to see what I can make happen.
00:33 jcamins          Or possibly just move the configuration file to etc/ if that fixes it.
00:32 jcamins          I am now going to systematically repeat all my experiments.
00:32 jcamins          That's what I expected.
00:32 jcamins          Nope.
00:32 eythian          OK, that's not too unexpected
00:30 jcamins          http://paste.koha-community.org/386 <-- what I get when I don't make any changes.
00:30 eythian          that's weird
00:29 jcamins          The problem is that there were no conf files at all when it decided to not install.
00:29 jcamins          Yup.
00:29 eythian          at least I think that's the case.
00:29 eythian          a dpkg-new file should appear if a) there is a diff between the conffile and the one that was deployed, b) the conffile has change, and c) you tell dpkg to not replace it with the new version.
00:28 jcamins          I'm hoping maybe the problem was something silly like the reason it failed the first time was that I had a stale file.
00:28 jcamins          At this point I'm not even sure I remember what they did before.
00:28 jcamins          I don't know, forty times today?
00:28 jcamins          I have built the packages...
00:28 jcamins          I'm trying again with nothing so that I can get a baseline for comparison.
00:26 jcamins          At the moment, I have not made *any* changes to the package build.
00:26 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
00:26 jcamins          It's bug 9239, but you could also test it by creating a file etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml
00:25 eythian          this _should_ be easy.
00:25 eythian          can you send me your patch, I might have a play with it.
00:24 eythian          ah right
00:24 jcamins          But it complained it didn't know what to do with the file.
00:24 jcamins          That was my initial theory.
00:24 eythian          maybe it'll just work
00:24 eythian          do you need to put anything in the .install or rules file at all
00:24 jcamins          Yes.
00:24 jcamins          Probably not.
00:24 jcamins          Maybe.
00:24 eythian          so, the build process puts things in /etc/koha/searchengine?
00:24 jcamins          Wait... I figured it out.
00:23 jcamins          The install command I added to debian/rules fails to find the file.
00:23 jcamins          Well, now I can't get the packages to build.
00:22 eythian          Perhaps try doing a purge of the package, install the stock one, and upgrade to your one on top
00:22 eythian          perhaps you have something else funny going on?
00:22 jcamins          Any idea what the install command would look like?
00:21 jcamins          Okay... that didn't work.
00:13 jcamins          Trying now.
00:11 eythian          that would be an acceptable workaround
00:11 eythian          given we're already putting stuff in subdirs...
00:11 jcamins          Don't bother with using dh_install for this file, and just install it with debian/rules.
00:10 jcamins          Okay, I think I might be on the path to a workaround.
00:10 jcamins          Me too.
00:10 eythian          I'm surprised making a subdir would cause that.
00:09 eythian          oh right
00:09 jcamins          I end up with every file in /etc/koha having a name that ends with .dpkg-new
00:09 eythian          how does it fail with no error?
00:08 jcamins          The build completes fine, then when I try to install it, it fails with no error.
00:08 jcamins          eythian: it doesn't give me any error.
00:08 eythian          as for solr, I'm not sure.
00:08 eythian          jcamins: what is the error you're having?
00:05 jcamins          eythian: should I just give up on a subdirectory and try to put everything in /etc/koha?