Time  Nick             Message
00:05 jcamins          eythian: should I just give up on a subdirectory and try to put everything in /etc/koha?
00:08 eythian          jcamins: what is the error you're having?
00:08 eythian          as for solr, I'm not sure.
00:08 jcamins          eythian: it doesn't give me any error.
00:08 jcamins          The build completes fine, then when I try to install it, it fails with no error.
00:09 eythian          how does it fail with no error?
00:09 jcamins          I end up with every file in /etc/koha having a name that ends with .dpkg-new
00:09 eythian          oh right
00:10 eythian          I'm surprised making a subdir would cause that.
00:10 jcamins          Me too.
00:10 jcamins          Okay, I think I might be on the path to a workaround.
00:11 jcamins          Don't bother with using dh_install for this file, and just install it with debian/rules.
00:11 eythian          given we're already putting stuff in subdirs...
00:11 eythian          that would be an acceptable workaround
00:13 jcamins          Trying now.
00:21 jcamins          Okay... that didn't work.
00:22 jcamins          Any idea what the install command would look like?
00:22 eythian          perhaps you have something else funny going on?
00:22 eythian          Perhaps try doing a purge of the package, install the stock one, and upgrade to your one on top
00:23 jcamins          Well, now I can't get the packages to build.
00:23 jcamins          The install command I added to debian/rules fails to find the file.
00:24 jcamins          Wait... I figured it out.
00:24 eythian          so, the build process puts things in /etc/koha/searchengine?
00:24 jcamins          Maybe.
00:24 jcamins          Probably not.
00:24 jcamins          Yes.
00:24 eythian          do you need to put anything in the .install or rules file at all
00:24 eythian          maybe it'll just work
00:24 jcamins          That was my initial theory.
00:24 jcamins          But it complained it didn't know what to do with the file.
00:24 eythian          ah right
00:25 eythian          can you send me your patch, I might have a play with it.
00:25 eythian          this _should_ be easy.
00:26 jcamins          It's bug 9239, but you could also test it by creating a file etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml
00:26 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
00:26 jcamins          At the moment, I have not made *any* changes to the package build.
00:28 jcamins          I'm trying again with nothing so that I can get a baseline for comparison.
00:28 jcamins          I have built the packages...
00:28 jcamins          I don't know, forty times today?
00:28 jcamins          At this point I'm not even sure I remember what they did before.
00:28 jcamins          I'm hoping maybe the problem was something silly like the reason it failed the first time was that I had a stale file.
00:29 eythian          a dpkg-new file should appear if a) there is a diff between the conffile and the one that was deployed, b) the conffile has change, and c) you tell dpkg to not replace it with the new version.
00:29 eythian          at least I think that's the case.
00:29 jcamins          Yup.
00:29 jcamins          The problem is that there were no conf files at all when it decided to not install.
00:30 eythian          that's weird
00:30 jcamins          http://paste.koha-community.org/386 <-- what I get when I don't make any changes.
00:32 eythian          OK, that's not too unexpected
00:32 jcamins          Nope.
00:32 jcamins          That's what I expected.
00:32 jcamins          I am now going to systematically repeat all my experiments.
00:33 jcamins          Or possibly just move the configuration file to etc/ if that fixes it.
00:35 eythian          I'm having a few goes to see what I can make happen.
00:36 jcamins          Thanks.
00:37 eythian          unrelated, but I've added libtext-undiacritic-perl to the repo at BibLibre's request.
00:37 jcamins          Thanks!
00:37 eythian          jcamins: what branch are you building against?
00:38 jcamins          bug 9239
00:38 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
00:38 jcamins          On top of master.
00:38 eythian          OK
00:38 eythian          I see the dependencies need an update for that.,
00:38 jcamins          But as I said, the only file that matters from 9239 is etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml
00:38 eythian          yeah
00:39 jcamins          So `echo "Testing" > etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml` will bring you to the same state.
00:39 eythian          yeah, I'm just having to tweak things to make master build at all
00:39 jcamins          Wait... did I get it working?!?
00:39 jcamins          Probably not.
00:40 jcamins          But at least the build completed.
00:40 eythian          that's a start I suppose :)
00:44 eythian          DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localhost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /tmp/buildd/koha-3.9/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 802
00:44 eythian          #   Failed test 'use C4::Breeding;'
00:44 eythian          grr
00:45 * jcamins        scratches his head.
00:45 jcamins          How come that passes under pbuilder for me?
00:45 jcamins          I mean... it shouldn't, right?
00:46 eythian          no, it shouldn't
00:46 jcamins          So... something else weird about my installation.
00:46 eythian          My copy of master may be a bit old though
00:47 jcamins          You could probably use 3.10 instead... it's just a file.
00:47 eythian          yeah
00:52 jcamins          Got it!
00:53 jcamins          There needed to be no trailing slash and no destination for my added line.
00:53 jcamins          And possibly there was also a problem with the system I was trying to install on earlier. I spun up a new one.
00:53 eythian          ah. I noted that you don't need the destination, but didn't see the trailing slash
00:54 jcamins          Yeah, I think I may have accidentally left a trailing slash when I removed the destination, per your instructions.
00:55 eythian          told you it should be easy ;)
00:56 jcamins          I have to say, a little bit more in the way of error messages would not go amiss.
00:57 eythian          yeah. It's a bizarre thing for it to do though, I wonder what it thought was going on.
00:57 * jcamins        would be afraid to speculate.
01:07 mtompset         Greetings, #koha.
01:07 jcamins          Greetings.
01:07 mtompset         Long time no chat, jcamins. :)
01:08 jcamins          There is a _film_ musical of the Producers. I did not know that.
01:08 jcamins          Still in Canada I see. :)
01:09 mtompset         Yes, and still experiencing a funding shortfall.
01:10 mtompset         However, a plan to resolve that is under way.
01:11 jcamins          Plans are useful.
01:11 mtompset         As long as they work.
01:11 jcamins          Right.
01:11 mtompset         Already had one plan fail.
01:11 mtompset         We've got two on the table now.
01:14 mtompset         agenda?
01:14 wahanui          agenda is, like, a wiki
01:15 jcamins          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_February_2013
01:16 mtompset         Thanks, I went to the wiki and searched for meeting. It came up.
01:19 mtompset         I guess this meeting is bad for our European friends?
01:19 jcamins          Very.
01:19 mtompset         drojf++
01:19 mtompset         ++drojf # can't remember syntax. :)
01:20 jcamins          YOu had it right the first time. :)
01:21 mtompset         [off] At least I'm still alive to attempt the syntax. My wife now has her G1 driver's license (we have a graduated licensing system here). ;)
01:44 bag              be about 5 minutes late
01:44 mtompset         Noted, bag.
01:45 libsysguy_dinner /nick libsysguy
01:45 libsysguy_dinner oops
01:46 * druthb         mocks libsysguy derisively, then hugs him
01:46 libsysguy        "
01:46 libsysguy        :'(
01:46 * libsysguy      runs away in tears
01:46 mtompset         druthb: nice to see you again! How are you?
01:46 mtompset         libsysguy: Have a good dinner/supper/tea/whatever you want to call it?
01:47 druthb           Doing okay.  It's been a brisk couple of weeks for me.
01:47 libsysguy        mtompset yes Anna cooked a butternut squash risotto
01:47 mtompset         Not really into squash, myself, but that still sounds delicious. :)
01:48 khall            Sounds fancy
01:48 libsysguy        its pureed
01:48 mtompset         Ooooo.... pureed. ;)
01:48 libsysguy        and then parmesan crusted tilapia
01:48 druthb           mmmmm
01:48 mtompset         Tilapia is delicious.
01:48 khall            That sounds good
01:49 * gmcharlt       is suddenly hungry
01:49 khall            Heh
01:49 mtompset         Though, I prefered filet, because I really hate bones. :)
01:49 libsysguy        yeah Anna is an *Awesome* cook
01:49 libsysguy        ah yes I hate the bones too
01:50 libsysguy        I always miss one
01:50 libsysguy        stinkin salmon steaks
01:50 * wizzyrea       has never had a bone in a tilapia
01:50 khall            First world problems ;-)
01:50 mtompset         Their bones are thinner/smaller.
01:51 mtompset         Yes, first world problems, khall. :)
01:51 mtompset         I agree with you on the salmon steaks, libsysguy.
01:52 libsysguy        I guess I've always had tilapia filets
01:53 * khall          likes to fish. The only sport where he can read at the same time
01:54 jcamins          Hehe.
02:00 libsysguy        meeting time!
02:00 wahanui          i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
02:00 libsysguy        in 2
02:01 bag              ah actually made it
02:02 bag              gmcharlt: I had some grilled venison backstrap :D  yummy!
02:02 libsysguy        I hope you wrapped it in bacon
02:02 libsysguy        that is the only way to eat backstrap
02:02 * gmcharlt       is absolutely starving now :)
02:02 JDatTeTakere     The vegetarian closes her eyes
02:02 mtompset         libsysguy++ # yes to the bacon! :)
02:03 bag              Aloo (my dog) actually stole two pieces off of my wifes plate when we were in the other room fixing the salad :P  lucky doggie
02:03 libsysguy        #lesson never leave backstrap for salad
02:04 wizzyrea         right so meeting time?
02:04 bag              the salad was on par :P
02:05 mtompset         meeting time 2 minutes ago?
02:05 cjh              yeah, apparently we all missed it.
02:05 wizzyrea         yes, are we going to have a meeting?
02:05 cjh              oh well, always next time.
02:05 kathryn          present!
02:05 khall            Yeah, meeting time
02:05 mtompset         Yes. Let's start the meeting.
02:05 bag              wizzyrea: you wanna chair it?
02:06 bag              or is there someone who should be doing that?
02:06 * bag            votes not me
02:06 * libsysguy      thought it was cait
02:06 bag              ah cait :)
02:06 * libsysguy      could be wrong
02:06 wizzyrea         gmcharlt - would you mind starting meetbot?
02:07 eythian          meatbot
02:07 gmcharlt         #startmeeting
02:07 huginn           gmcharlt: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
02:07 wahanui          if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
02:07 wahanui          i already had it that way, huginn.
02:07 libsysguy        heh
02:07 gmcharlt         #startmeeting General Meeting, 2012-02-06
02:07 huginn           Meeting started Thu Feb  7 02:05:11 2013 UTC.  The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
02:07 huginn           Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
02:07 huginn           The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting__2012_02_06'
02:07 wizzyrea         #info Liz Rea, CatalystIT
02:07 wizzyrea         present yourselves.
02:07 gmcharlt         #info Galen Charlton, Equinox
02:07 JDatTeTakere     #info Joanne Dillon (JD), Te Takere
02:07 druthb           #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater, Translation Manager 3.12
02:07 davidnind        #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand (currently at DrupalCon Sydney)
02:07 wizzyrea         (please :)
02:07 jwagner          #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:08 libsysguy        #info Elliott Davis, Bywater, QAA
02:08 kathryn          #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT
02:08 mtompset         #info Mark Tompsett, Canada
02:08 cjh              #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT
02:08 eythian          #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
02:08 bag              #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
02:08 jcamins          #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12
02:08 wizzyrea         agenda?
02:08 wahanui          i guess agenda is a wiki
02:08 mtompset         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_9_January_2013
02:08 wizzyrea         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_February_2013
02:08 mtompset         Oops... wrong one. :)
02:09 nancyk           #info nancyk Reno, Nevada
02:09 mtompset         (I was reading the back actions)
02:09 khall            #info Kyle M Hall, Bywater
02:09 trea             #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions
02:09 wizzyrea         Right, so hello everybody, welcome to the Koha community meeting, I'll be your taskmaster today
02:09 wizzyrea         to start with, we have Announcements
02:09 jcamins          I think gmcharlt has to chair the meeting.
02:10 wizzyrea         does anyone have any announcements that aren't already on the agenda?
02:10 mtompset         (because he started the meeting?)
02:10 jcamins          mtompset: right.
02:10 wizzyrea         right well.
02:10 gmcharlt         #chair wizzyrea
02:10 huginn           Current chairs: gmcharlt wizzyrea
02:11 mtompset         Solved. :)
02:11 wizzyrea         right, so, see above :P
02:11 wizzyrea         announcements?
02:11 wizzyrea         births, deaths, new migrations you want to brag about
02:11 wizzyrea         going once
02:11 mtompset         I could be back on Koha development...
02:11 mtompset         shortly. :)
02:12 wizzyrea         cool :)
02:12 wizzyrea         features you're developing that you want to suggest a sign off for
02:12 wizzyrea         nothing?
02:12 wahanui          nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
02:12 libsysguy        possibly the nginx installer?
02:12 wizzyrea         ok then on to the 3.8 update - rangi you about?
02:12 * libsysguy      pipes down
02:13 wizzyrea         nah, if you want to talk about that you go ahead
02:13 wajasu           if i migrate to koha-packages and i want ICU(or ICR whatever for the character choice), is that a manual adjustment?
02:13 libsysguy        nah, its out there, if anybody cares to look at it, go for it
02:13 jcamins          wajasu: yes, but right now we're in the middle of a meeting.
02:13 wajasu           my bad
02:13 mtompset         Nothing big... just if I get SAML 2.0 to work, we could get wider acceptance of Koha in the organization. :)
02:13 wizzyrea         I think 3.8 and 3.10 are going along ok - I don't know if there's all that much to say about it
02:14 wizzyrea         so on to Update about 3.12
02:14 jcamins          Yes.
02:14 jcamins          I sent out a timeline a few days ago.
02:14 wizzyrea         I saw that the schedule was posted - jcamins do you have a link for the irc log?
02:14 jcamins          I do not.
02:14 thd              #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
02:15 wizzyrea         ok, so how are you feeling about 3.12
02:15 jcamins          (looking now)
02:15 wizzyrea         you talk, I'll look ;)
02:15 bag              and thank you jcamins - nice to have it some what more clear :)
02:15 jcamins          Thanks.
02:15 jcamins          Well, on the one hand, lots of great things are going into 3.12.
02:15 bag              also give the french hackfest an idea of things to tackle
02:15 jcamins          And it's pretty stable for a release at this point in the cycle.
02:16 jcamins          However, we have a *massive* backlog of patches.
02:16 wizzyrea         #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-February/038846.html
02:16 jcamins          As of right now, I would say that at least 50% of the outstanding enhancements have no chance of getting into 3.12.
02:16 jcamins          We have...
02:16 jcamins          138 bugs awaiting sign off.
02:16 mtompset         50%?! :(
02:16 jcamins          129 bugs awaiting QA.
02:17 jcamins          mtompset: at least.
02:17 jcamins          Of those, the majority are enhancements.
02:17 jcamins          Bug fixes naturally need to receive priority, but I would _really_ like to see more of the good code we have go into 3.12.
02:17 thd              Could you not delegate some of the task to allow the backlog to be managed?
02:17 dcook            Random question for rangi or anyone else who might know...
02:17 wizzyrea         sounds like it's time for a pep talk :)
02:17 wizzyrea         dcook - meeting
02:17 jcamins          thd: no, because it's not my backlog.
02:18 jcamins          We need people to test.
02:18 wizzyrea         and very good test plans
02:18 jcamins          If people don't test, the code doesn't go in.
02:18 jcamins          For 3.14 it might be a good idea to have a larger QA team.
02:18 jcamins          But for 3.12 we don't have that.
02:18 thd              That bottleneck should be in principle easier to solve than a RM backlog.
02:18 jcamins          thd: yes, and I look forward to seeing the situation improve.
02:19 jcamins          However, as the feature freeze approaches, it will be too late.
02:19 wizzyrea         so the moral is, if you submit a patch, test one too, sign off if you can, mark it if you can't
02:19 jcamins          There are only 168 hours a week, and I can't spend more than half of them on RM work.
02:20 jcamins          As a reminder, new developments written during the hackfest will be held for 3.14.
02:20 jcamins          And that's the status.
02:20 jcamins          Any questions?
02:20 jcamins          #info Everyone needs to test.
02:20 mtompset         How could we solve the 50% problem now?
02:20 jcamins          #info Test plans are NOT OPTIONAL.
02:20 wizzyrea         test patches
02:20 thd              What is the status of work on a boot system from which a new patch could be tested?
02:21 jcamins          thd: it exists, the problem is *not* technical.
02:21 jcamins          mtompset: every developer should test at least one patch.
02:21 cjh              jcamins: is the bottleneck more of a qa or sign-off thing?
02:21 dcook            #info David Cook, Sydney, Australia
02:21 wizzyrea         both, at the moment
02:21 libsysguy        based on the numbers I'd say half and half
02:21 gmcharlt         #info write your patches to be easy to test -- e.g., separate whitespace changes into their own patches, include POD, and repeat, include test cases
02:21 jcamins          cjh: the bottleneck is worse at QA, thanks to the reduced number of QAers, but only barely.
02:21 thd              Actually, bootable is too high a barrier of entry.
02:22 jcamins          thd: I look forward to seeing a an improved sandbox implementation.
02:22 wizzyrea         if you have a good test plans (possibly even instructions on how to get your data into a testable state) it really, really helps
02:23 jcamins          Anything else?
02:23 wahanui          Anything else is a guess
02:23 bag              HA
02:23 wizzyrea         Righto then, I realize I haven't been marking the agenda items - gmcharlt how does one do that (an example would be fine)
02:24 gmcharlt         wizzyrea: do #topic FOO
02:24 wizzyrea         #topic Kohacon2013
02:24 wizzyrea         whee!
02:24 nancyk           #info Contract with the hotel signing this week.
02:24 jcamins          Hooray!
02:24 wizzyrea         right, so nancyk,
02:24 wizzyrea         excellent
02:25 nancyk           will be settting up registration and other info
02:25 wizzyrea         is there anything you need help on from the global community?
02:25 nancyk           #info a generous vendor has promised to sponsor
02:26 nancyk           #info suggestions are always welcome
02:26 nancyk           that's it for now
02:26 wizzyrea         very cool - sounds like you've got it in hand. Any questions for nancyk?
02:26 JDatTeTakere     I have a general question about Koha cons
02:26 wizzyrea         go for it
02:27 JDatTeTakere     What level of Koha user is the hackfest for?
02:27 bag              any upcoming timeline?  like proposals due for talks?  or anything like that
02:27 nancyk           not yet, but soon
02:27 * dcook          has the same question as JDatTeTakere
02:27 bag              JDatTeTakere: any level is more than welcome
02:27 wizzyrea         my experience says "every level"
02:27 dcook            To go off that, what's the purpose of the con?
02:27 nancyk           #info we have an iRC meeting on the 19th
02:28 JDatTeTakere     Awesome - thank you. Looking forward to my first KohaCon
02:28 wizzyrea         it's really helpful to have users around when designing things
02:28 dcook            While I already have some support for sending me over, I'd like to know what to expect to gain/contribute to it
02:28 libsysguy        indeed, not everyone needs to know how to modify the marc editor :)
02:28 * libsysguy      shudders
02:28 thd              JDatTeTakere: With free software every user at any level should be a developer.
02:29 wizzyrea         @quote add thd: With free software every user at any level should be a developer
02:29 huginn           wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
02:29 JDatTeTakere     Thanks everyone...looking forward to meeting some of you in real life
02:29 nancyk           Iwant to know how to become a tester
02:29 wizzyrea         yep, bring it up at the hackfest :)
02:29 jcamins          nancyk: excellent!
02:29 bag              nancyk++
02:29 wizzyrea         right so -
02:29 JDatTeTakere     Me too...re: tester
02:29 jcamins          nancyk: after the meeting I'll walk you through it.
02:29 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: you too.
02:29 wizzyrea         #topic Roles for 3.14 (code name PI)
02:29 jcamins          :)
02:30 libsysguy        we're calling it PI !!
02:30 libsysguy        excellent
02:30 wizzyrea         no, that's just me. You can feel free to adopt that.
02:30 mtompset         Does that mean 15 minor releases? ;)
02:30 gmcharlt         or a big tiger release
02:30 wizzyrea         ha
02:30 bag              Well I've got a thought here and an idea - I'd like to bounce off all of you
02:30 wizzyrea         right, so roles
02:31 wizzyrea         bag, please go ahead
02:31 bag              libsysguy, khall and I - as a three headed monster for RM
02:31 jcamins          A three-person RM team?
02:31 bag              between the three of us we can split up time and duties - with RM and some QA etc...
02:32 wizzyrea         well I think you are perfectly within your rights to put out a proposal for that setup
02:32 bag              yes we work closely everyday as a group - so it wouldn't be anything new to us
02:32 bag              so I'm asking crazy or not?
02:32 jcamins          bag: crazy.
02:32 wizzyrea         I think I'd need to see a formalised proposal.
02:32 jcamins          The coordination will drive you to an early grave.
02:32 cjh              ^^ my concerns.
02:32 mtompset         Dito.
02:32 libsysguy        I don't think diving up the time would be a bad idea
02:32 libsysguy        but
02:33 libsysguy        I have never been in the position before
02:33 libsysguy        so I don't want to go grey at 24 :p
02:33 * gmcharlt       would suggest increasing the numbers of the QA team first
02:33 wizzyrea         *nod*
02:33 khall            Could you explain the coordination issues
02:34 dcook            What does it take to be on the QA team?
02:34 cjh              the idea of an 'RM mentoring program' does sound interesting though
02:34 dcook            Not that I'm nominating myself at the moment, but I'm curious.
02:34 bag              dcook: volunteering
02:34 jcamins          dcook: a willingness to test thoroughly and offer useful feedback.
02:34 dcook            Willingness and ability are one thing
02:34 dcook            Are tests all automated or is a certain level of knowledge required?
02:34 wizzyrea         perhaps a good understanding of the style rules that govern us
02:34 dcook            Or is this still where testing plans come in ?
02:34 jcamins          A certain level of knowledge, but you'll learn. :)
02:34 * libsysguy      would like to automate test
02:35 bag              libsysguy++
02:35 khall            Testing plans are more for sign offs
02:35 libsysguy        jcamins has a step in the right direction with the requisite of unit tests for all backend code
02:35 thd              dcook: If the code could be self validating there would be no need for QA people.
02:35 cjh              as qa you will have to read some code, mostly checking for style conformance. The tests are automated, but if they fail it can help to know if it is you or the patch that is causing this.
02:35 JDatTeTakere     I'm happy to put my hand up for something...not sure whether it's testing or QA or something else.
02:36 jcamins          khall: as an example, look at bug 9239.
02:36 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
02:36 khall            A sign off says the feature works, a qa says the feature doesn't break anything
02:36 libsysguy        ah carp
02:36 jcamins          It actually failed QA and then was marked "passed" by someone else.
02:36 jcamins          libsysguy: sorry to pick on you.
02:36 khall            In general
02:36 libsysguy        its cool
02:36 libsysguy        I owned that one
02:36 * druthb         picks on libsysguy all the time; he's used to it.
02:36 * libsysguy      knew that would come back to bite me
02:37 cjh              khall: qa also means that the feature is conforming to the project guidelines (style, testing, etc.)
02:37 mtompset         mistakes always do, libsysguy. Don't feel bad. :)
02:37 khall            Cjh, absolutely!
02:38 dcook            I'm encouraged by jcamins's faith ;)
02:38 wizzyrea         I feel the need to note that if the 3 person Rteam were installed, ByWater would have docmanager, translation manager, and RM all at the same time
02:38 jcamins          wizzyrea: that's a good point.
02:39 dcook            I'm still trying to get back into a stable work routine at the moment, but I would be willing to learn more about being on the QA team. If nothing else, I could take on a lot of the little signed off patches that would free up the bigger QA guns
02:39 bag              no worries I just didn't see anyone else offering up - and I know jcamins doesn't want to do another round
02:39 jcamins          bag: if necessary, I'll do it again.
02:39 dcook            Hmm, what's involved with docmanager?
02:39 libsysguy        nengard
02:39 wizzyrea         keeping the manual up to date
02:39 * dcook          has been thinking about doing some work on the documentation
02:40 libsysguy        oh waht not who
02:40 wizzyrea         keeping the online help up to date
02:40 bag              we also need RMaint's etc
02:40 dcook            I was thinking of actually shooting Nicole an email about collaborating on the manual if nothing else
02:40 jcamins          dcook++
02:40 kathryn          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help <-- of interest?
02:40 druthb           dcook++
02:40 cjh              dcook++ awesome
02:40 wizzyrea         yes I am sure nicole would be happy to share
02:40 wizzyrea         repsonsibility on that
02:40 jcamins          Speaking as the current RM, I'd encourage everyone who wants to RM try RMainting first.
02:41 bag              I think rangi would perfer more time signing off on things than Rmaint-ing (but he speaks for himself better than I do )
02:41 jcamins          It's good practice.
02:41 wizzyrea         ^^
02:41 * gmcharlt       is considering a prposal for RM or an RMaint ... and I also have some ideas on potential ways to spread the load
02:41 wizzyrea         right so - What I think we are wanting
02:41 jcamins          Concrete proposals?
02:42 gmcharlt         jcamins: yes, but I'll need to cogitate a bit
02:42 wizzyrea         is if you are interested - do up a proposal for what you want to accomplish as RM - simply as an example http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Katrin%27s_Proposal_for_QAM_3.12 and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Jcamins_Proposal_for_RM-3.12
02:43 druthb           On the less-contentious side of things, I've been learning the TM role, and have had some lovely help from cait and tcohen in particular.  If no one else wants it, I'll continue.
02:43 wizzyrea         #action interested parties should submit their proposals for release team duties to the wiki, and mail the link to the devel list
02:43 wizzyrea         those who want to stay on I think simply need to state that
02:44 wizzyrea         and if you concretely want out of a role, please say and we will actively try to find someone to relieve you
02:44 bag              probably vote next meeting?
02:44 jcamins          bag: two meetings, I think.
02:44 wizzyrea         that was the plan I believe
02:44 wizzyrea         oh, what he said
02:44 wizzyrea         #info vote for release team is in two meetings time
02:45 dcook            I thought that said two minutes...
02:45 * dcook          facepalm
02:45 wizzyrea         Right, any more discussion needed on Roles for Pi?
02:45 wizzyrea         All righty then
02:46 wizzyrea         #topic actions from 9 Jan meeting
02:46 dcook            Quick question on roles
02:46 wizzyrea         shoot
02:46 dcook            Do they just go under the Participation category on the wiki? Seems like a Proposal category/sub-category might be an idea, so it's not filing by the page title
02:47 wizzyrea         sure, it's a wiki you can categorise however you want to :)
02:47 dcook            Hehe. Noted.
02:48 wizzyrea         so right, Actions from last meeting - looks like we have made some progress with bugzilla cleaning
02:49 wizzyrea         Does anyone have any idea what magnus has been up to with the dev handbook?
02:49 wizzyrea         any progress to report?
02:49 jcamins          I do not know.
02:49 wizzyrea         righty o then
02:49 wizzyrea         that brings us to
02:49 wizzyrea         #topic set time and date for next meeting
02:50 wizzyrea         this is the part I am very bad at.
02:50 thd              Wiki categories are extensible and you can extend them as needed.
02:50 jcamins          18:00UTC.
02:50 wizzyrea         dcook - thd is quite adept with the wiki
02:50 jcamins          Second Wednesday.
02:50 wizzyrea         that's gonna be 13 Mar. 18:00 UTC
02:51 dcook            Hmm
02:51 jcamins          Sure.
02:51 wizzyrea         2013, future dwellers.
02:51 jcamins          +1
02:51 gmcharlt         +1
02:51 jwagner          +1
02:51 druthb           +1
02:52 thd              +1
02:52 dcook            I won't disagree but I'm not going to be up at 5am
02:52 JDatTeTakere     +1
02:52 cjh              +1
02:52 wizzyrea         #info Next meeting time 13 March 2013, 18:00 UTC
02:52 davidnind        +1
02:52 khall            +1
02:52 wizzyrea         Thank you friends for a most excellent meeting - anything else before we wrap this up?
02:52 thd              That is actually Wednesday UTC next time.
02:52 dcook            I did have a question before about Kohacon
02:53 bag              +1
02:53 nancyk           I'm still here
02:53 dcook            Well, it's a generic question. What is the purpose of Koha con?
02:53 dcook            Discussing the future? Success stories of the present? All the above? None of the above?
02:53 wizzyrea         it's a global gathering of koha users and developers for the enrichment of all of them
02:53 druthb           All the above, and more.
02:54 nancyk           Training, sharing, mentoring, planning , working
02:54 dcook            Mmmm
02:54 dcook            Excellent. Thank you for all your answers :)
02:54 druthb           Socializin', sticking faces with names, at last...
02:54 * thd            races to the market before closing
02:54 wizzyrea         later thd
02:54 wizzyrea         #endmeeting
02:54 huginn           Meeting ended Thu Feb  7 02:52:20 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
02:54 huginn           Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_meeting__2012_02_06.2013-02-07-02.05.html
02:54 huginn           Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_meeting__2012_02_06.2013-02-07-02.05.txt
02:54 huginn           Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_meeting__2012_02_06.2013-02-07-02.05.log.html
02:54 dcook            True enough. I'm excited to meet folks in person
02:54 wizzyrea         yussss
02:54 druthb           Beer.
02:54 dcook            And beer
02:54 JDatTeTakere     Thanks wizzyrea
02:55 nancyk           It will be a lot of fun!
02:55 druthb           wizzyrea++
02:55 gmcharlt         wizzyrea++
02:56 jcamins          Okay, some people were interested in testing.
02:56 JDatTeTakere     Yes...me :-)
02:56 jcamins          I'm on the phone, but just to drive my wife nuts, I'll type too...
02:56 JDatTeTakere     I can wait
02:57 dcook            wizzyrea++
02:57 jcamins          Actually... you're in NZ, so it'll be daytime for you for a while.
02:57 jcamins          nancyk: would it be possible to set up a time to give you a tutorial during our day?
02:57 cjh              jcamins++
02:57 nancyk           How to become a tester would be a good presentation
02:58 jcamins          nancyk: it would be, and I hope someone will be giving it.
02:58 nancyk           I'm bad at guessing time zones, but ok
02:58 jcamins          nancyk: "our day" = "when it is daytime for you"
02:58 jcamins          Ask anyone on #koha when it is "not day" for me. ;)
02:59 * mtompset       grins.
02:59 JDatTeTakere     What time is it for you now?
02:59 jcamins          10pm.
02:59 jcamins          If it weren't for my phone call to my wife, I'd do it now. :)
02:59 nancyk           7PM on the 6th
02:59 JDatTeTakere     Later is fine.
03:00 jcamins          nancyk: if you are going to be around tomorrow morning (your time), just hop on and I'll take some time to go over testing with you. :)
03:00 nancyk           husband and dog are wanting dinner, ok ,i'll hop!
03:00 * dcook          thinks it is always daytime in jcamins brain.
03:01 jcamins          dcook: pretty much.
03:01 nancyk           bye
03:02 * libsysguy      thinks if I don't leave soon his Swede is going to be pissed
03:02 wizzyrea         libsysguy?
03:02 wahanui          libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
03:02 libsysguy        ignore the grammer
03:02 * wizzyrea       nods
03:02 libsysguy        and have a good night
03:02 libsysguy        :)
03:02 wizzyrea         you should go party on the deck.
03:02 libsysguy        oh I will ;)
03:03 cjh              koha's youngest dev?
03:03 libsysguy        later wizzyrea
03:03 libsysguy        oh…yeah that too
03:03 libsysguy        I think
03:03 wizzyrea         mmm no
03:03 jcamins          Not anymore.
03:03 libsysguy        pianohacker may have it
03:03 wizzyrea         mragent075 is
03:03 libsysguy        oh
03:03 dcook            :o
03:03 cjh              Im pretty sure im younger than you, but im not the youngest to have a patch in.
03:03 jcamins          mragent075.
03:03 wizzyrea         16
03:03 wahanui          i heard mragent075 was our academy student :)
03:03 cjh              heh
03:03 libsysguy        ah dang it
03:03 dcook            Just wait until I have some sprogs
03:03 libsysguy        well I just turned 24
03:04 libsysguy        gnight
03:04 dcook            night libsysguy
03:04 dcook            I thought I was young at 25 :p
03:04 bag              painohacker was 14 when he got a patch in
03:04 wizzyrea         ah yep cjh and pianohacker and mragent075 all younger than you
03:04 dcook            Which reminds me, how old is jcamins?
03:04 JDatTeTakere     Old enough to have a wife
03:04 * dcook          doesn't make that joke
03:05 cjh              hmm i'll have to check how old Bart was when his first patch went in
03:05 jcamins          26
03:05 wizzyrea         ah yep, I forgot him and jorgia
03:06 dcook            I thought so, jcamins. I'm astounded by how much you've done in that time.
03:06 JDatTeTakere     Should we schedule a better time to learn about testing jcamins?
03:06 cjh              wizzyrea: iirc jorgia was in her 2nd to last year of high-school, bart was a year or so younger.
03:06 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: no, if you'll be around for a while, I'll be off the phone soon.
03:06 JDatTeTakere     OK...officially on holiday but can hang around.
03:07 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: in that case, go home!
03:07 jcamins          We can do this when you get back easily. :)
03:07 jcamins          No need to test on your holiday!
03:07 dcook            People are pretty good about helping out with questions on testing as well
03:07 * dcook          just learned last year, so it's still pretty fresh. Especially when it comes to thinks that aren't on the wiki...yet
03:07 dcook            things*
03:08 wizzyrea         what things?
03:08 wahanui          things are quiet here. I think most people are still running on holiday brain.
03:08 wizzyrea         forget things
03:08 wahanui          wizzyrea: I forgot things
03:08 * dcook          ponders
03:08 JDatTeTakere     It's OK jcamins...I am at home.
03:09 cjh              dcook: if you learn something that isnt on the wiki, please consider adding it :)
03:09 dcook            I had to set up my git bz again recently, and I don't think the config on the wiki worked
03:09 wizzyrea         it worked for me 2 weeks ago
03:09 wizzyrea         >.>
03:09 dcook            I had to Google the IRC log where jcamins and...mtj I think explained it a bit more
03:09 wizzyrea         <.<
03:09 dcook            Different systems I assume
03:09 wizzyrea         < ubuntu
03:09 dcook            < opensuse
03:09 dcook            without root access :p
03:09 wizzyrea         hm, shouldn't matter. Well that might matter.
03:09 jcamins          It shouldn't matter.
03:10 jcamins          I can walk you through git-bz after I help JDatTeTakere.
03:10 dcook            You already did :p
03:10 dcook            My config is based on what you told me last year
03:10 wajasu           anyone here familiar with the template toolkit strategy for koha?
03:10 jcamins          Right, but if it doesn't work, we'll fix it. :)
03:10 dcook            ?
03:10 jcamins          wajasu: huh?
03:10 dcook            Ah no
03:10 dcook            Sorry, jcamins.
03:10 dcook            It got blitzed one day, so I had to re-install and re-configure
03:11 dcook            Using the IRC logs rather than the wiki. I've updated the wiki since then.
03:11 dcook            wajasu: strategy?
03:11 wajasu           if i want to generate a different search URL based on a syspref setting, is there an example or desired way to do this.
03:11 wajasu           INClude, or custom function
03:13 dcook            I imagine you could just do it with a TT conditional
03:13 dcook            If syspref, then this url
03:13 dcook            Or do it on the perl side
03:13 * dcook          is confused
03:14 wajasu           that makes sense.
03:15 wajasu           i just need to get familiar with things like: where is the perl side :)
03:15 dcook            Ahh.
03:15 dcook            Well, what is it that you're trying to do?
03:16 dcook            In terms of generating the different search URL?
03:16 wajasu           i need to get some query params to change based on UseAuthoritesForTracings
03:16 wajasu           the Authors  links aren't changing like that do for the XSLT views.
03:17 dcook            Hmm. Have you filed a bug report?
03:17 wajasu           instead of  au:Joe Cool , I need the format using the RLIN.
03:17 wajasu           i'm writing one now.
03:19 dcook            The way I see it, you'll want to see what the variable name is that renders as au:Joe Cool in the template
03:20 dcook            Then you'll want to go to the associated Perl script. Before it pushes the variable/parameter to the template, you'll want to write a condition that detects if UseAuthoritiesForTracings is set, and then change that variable to the authority number (which might be floating around in a variable around there or you might need to use retrieve it some other way)
03:21 dcook            Is this in the search results or the detail page? Or both?
03:21 dcook            I imagine you'll want to look at Search.pm, search.pl, and opac-search.pl
03:21 wajasu           detail.tt  and moredetail.tt(i think)
03:21 dcook            Mmm, in that case detail.pl and opac-detail.pl
03:22 wajasu           its easy if you grep for UseAuthoritesForTracings in the xslt templates.
03:22 dcook            moredetail.tt is probably written to from detail.pl as well
03:23 dcook            Hmm, actually, now that I think about it...
03:23 wajasu           i'll look into building the queryparms string in the perl, and exposing it as a variable to be substituted.
03:23 dcook            I'm not sure. Your answer will lie in detail.pl and opac-detail.pl most likely though
03:23 wajasu           thanks.
03:24 dcook            No worries. I'm intrigued. I'm actually looking at other authority stuff at the moment. Good luck!
03:25 wizzyrea         there is no way to generate all of the invoices for patrons who have lost items, is there?
03:25 * wizzyrea       thinks there is not but... just checking.
03:26 dcook            Can't say that I've ever heard it come up
03:38 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: okay, the good news is that testing is easy!
03:38 jcamins          The bad news is, it's never ending.
03:38 JDatTeTakere     OK...what do I need to know
03:38 jcamins          There are two ways to test patches for Koha.
03:39 jcamins          The first is using the "sandboxes."
03:40 jcamins          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
03:40 jcamins          That page has instructions for using sandboxes.
03:40 jcamins          The second is by running a Koha installation on a spare server or virtual machine.
03:40 JDatTeTakere     OK...I'll check out the sandboxes.
03:41 JDatTeTakere     I actually have a spare PC floating around here at home that I was thinking of installing Koha on...
03:41 jcamins          The second allows you to test a wider variety of patches.
03:41 jcamins          The sandboxes can only test certain kinds of patches.
03:41 JDatTeTakere     OK...
03:41 JDatTeTakere     But sandboxes are a good way to start?
03:41 jcamins          In particular, any patch that involves a change to Zebra can't be tested using sandboxes.
03:42 jcamins          Oh yes!
03:42 JDatTeTakere     Zebra is the search engine?
03:42 jcamins          Right.
03:43 jcamins          So I'll quickly go over the procedure for testing on sandboxes.
03:43 JDatTeTakere     Cool - thanks
03:43 jcamins          Step one is to choose a patch for testing.
03:44 bag              good night I'm heading home
03:44 jcamins          If you go to http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ you'll see a "Bug statuses" section about halfway down.
03:45 jcamins          "Needs Signoff" is a link that will always get you to a list of the patches awaiting sign off.
03:45 JDatTeTakere     Yes, see that
03:45 JDatTeTakere     So I need to set up an account in Bugzilla
03:45 dcook            Night bag
03:45 jcamins          (that's the only link that will always work, whether you're logged in or not, which is why I took you the long way around)
03:46 jcamins          Yes, you'll definitely want an account on Bugzilla.
03:46 jcamins          However, you actually do not need an account to use the sandboxes.
03:47 wajasu           jcamins: if i do a package install, and a dev install with (ICU), would it be sufficient to just diff the zebra configs directory hierarchy to determine what i need to change after a package install?
03:48 jcamins          wajasu: it should.
03:48 jcamins          JDatTeTakere: so from that list you'd need to choose a bug that you think you can test.
03:48 jcamins          For example, bug 9484.
03:48 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages)
03:49 wajasu           jcamins: ok. i feel better about migrating to packages
03:49 jcamins          (once there's a test plan... I have no idea what the problem is)
03:49 jcamins          But let's assume that we know how to test that bug for the moment.
03:50 jcamins          On that wiki page are links to the sandboxes that are set up.
03:50 JDatTeTakere     OK
03:51 jcamins          So you could choose sandbox1, follow the link to set up the sandbox (http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/sandbox.pl), fill in the bug number and e-mail address (and choose a database).
03:51 jcamins          You'll get an e-mail saying that the sandbox is set up, at which point you can log into the staff client and work through the test plan.
03:52 JDatTeTakere     How do I choose a database?
03:52 jcamins          If it works, you use the same setup page to sign off.
03:52 jcamins          That setup page gives you an option.
03:53 jcamins          You will almost always want the "tiny MARC21" database.
03:53 JDatTeTakere     OK...that's what I meant
03:54 jcamins          If it doesn't work, you will need a login for Bugzilla.
03:54 JDatTeTakere     I have a login...
03:54 jcamins          You log in and change the status to "Failed QA" and explain what the problem is.
03:54 jcamins          Then the developer can fix it. :)
03:54 JDatTeTakere     And then it's released for testing again?
03:55 jcamins          Exactly.
03:55 jcamins          We hope.
03:55 JDatTeTakere     :-)
03:55 JDatTeTakere     OK...I'll try to find one that I can test now then.
03:55 jcamins          Sometimes patches just get abandoned at that point. :(
03:56 * dcook          takes that as an incentive to go back to a patch he may or may not have sort of abandoned but always meant to go back to
03:56 jcamins          Hehe.
03:57 jcamins          A lot of prolific developers just forget at that point.
03:57 JDatTeTakere     Thanks for your held jcamins
03:57 jcamins          You're welcome.
03:57 JDatTeTakere     Ooops...help
03:57 jcamins          And if you have any questions, someone on #koha will help out.
03:57 wizzyrea         bug 9115 might be a good one
03:57 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9115 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , basket window should close automatically when placing a hold
03:58 jcamins          Excellent one!
03:58 wizzyrea         oh nm that one's for me :P
03:58 JDatTeTakere     Damn...wizzyrea beat me to the sandbox.
03:58 jcamins          Hehe.
03:59 wizzyrea         no I meant, it's for 3.6 ;)
03:59 jcamins          If it's a backport, it's your call whether it needs another signoff.
04:02 jcamins          @quote search C4::Search
04:02 huginn           jcamins: 1 found: #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt"
04:02 jcamins          @quote search C4
04:02 huginn           jcamins: 4 found: #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an...", #210: "< oleonard> You could carpet a floor in FIXME's...", #211: "<paul_p> mtate a bug in C4/Search ? That's...", and #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt"
04:02 jcamins          @quote search stares
04:02 huginn           jcamins: 1 found: #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21,..."
04:05 bag              oh yeah wizzyrea "I feel the need to note that if the 3 person Rteam were installed, ByWater would have docmanager, translation manager, and RM all at the same time"  I actually like that - getting accused of trying to volunteer too much :)  At least we are trying
04:05 bag              wizzyrea++
04:05 bag              :D
04:05 bag              I as going to say that earlier but didn't think in the middle of meeting was right :P
04:10 rangi            connor is the youngest at 14
04:11 jcamins          Oh, I didn't realize he was that young.
04:28 dcook            Hmm...there is something funny with the opac css on master
04:29 jcamins          dcook: oh?
04:29 dcook            line 1918 of opac.css
04:29 dcook            The padding left isn't being picked up it seems, and it's pushing the cart graphic above the text
04:29 jcamins          Hm.
04:31 dcook            Unless it's my dev install or browser screwing things up for some reason
04:31 dcook            #cartmenulink {
04:31 dcook            padding-left: .7em\0/;
04:31 dcook            } works
04:32 dcook            #cartmenulink {
04:32 dcook            padding-left: .7emurl(0/);
04:32 dcook            }
04:32 dcook            is what shows up in master
04:32 dcook            At leat in my browser
04:32 jcamins          Looks right to me on my server.
04:32 jcamins          http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/
04:33 dcook            Hmm
04:34 dcook            Must be my Chrome being grumpy
04:34 dcook            FF works fine
04:35 dcook            I've noticed that Chrome often gets the shits with me when I'm using my dev install
04:35 jcamins          Did you try clearing the cache?
04:37 dcook            I've just tried bypassing it with shift + f5
04:37 jcamins          Shift+F5 doesn't refresh CSS and Javascript in Chrome.
04:37 jcamins          Try Ctrl+F5.
04:37 dcook            Just tried that too
04:37 jcamins          Or Alt+F5.
04:37 jcamins          I can never remember.
04:37 dcook            I swear that I've had it refresh CSS and Javascript before though
04:37 jcamins          Sometimes.
04:38 wajasu           ls
04:38 * wajasu         whoops
04:39 dcook            Hmm, tried emptying the cache
04:39 dcook            Probably need to exit and reopen Chrome
04:39 dcook            But all the tabs...
04:43 dcook            Hmm, that's disconcerting
04:47 jcamins          Hrm.
04:47 dcook            Tried flushing the memcache, tried opening and closing the browser
04:47 jcamins          The patch for bug 9552 doesn't work for me.
04:47 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Passed QA , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
04:47 dcook            Really?
04:47 dcook            What's it do?
04:48 jcamins          Cause nginx conniptions.
04:48 jcamins          ",gt" in the URL seems to be the problem.
04:48 dcook            Weird...are you able to use ",lt" ?
04:48 jcamins          Hrm.
04:48 jcamins          No.
04:48 jcamins          Maybe it's just commas.
04:49 dcook            They're not encoded?
04:49 jcamins          Good question.
04:50 dcook            I didn't see where they were encoded in the script, but they certainly were in the address bar when I looked
04:50 jcamins          Looks like another Plack issue.
04:51 * jcamins        will look at it later.
04:52 jcamins          It is, after all, almost midnight.
04:52 jcamins          I'll look at one or two easier patches and call it a night.
04:53 dcook            I'll put together my opac css one in a sec :p
04:53 dcook            Ahh, but you're looking at pushing not signing or qaing
04:53 dcook            You are certainly a trooper
04:53 jcamins          Right.
04:53 dcook            I reiterate what I said before. I don't know where you find the time, or how you've managed to do so much for only being 26
04:54 jcamins          Thanks. :)
04:55 dcook            You're very welcome. I'd love to hear more about all you've done some time when you have free time. Maybe it'll even be at KohaCon13
04:55 jcamins          :)
04:55 jcamins          I'm always happy to talk.
04:59 dcook            I like to listen :). Most people I know in libraries/library IT are either at the eginning of their careers with little experience or near the end with very different interests and career pathways. Always glad to hear from people with similar interests who work in the same speciality
05:00 jcamins          I'd say that I fit in the first category, but just the other day I said "yes, I did that in the public library I worked at a decade ago."
05:01 jcamins          (and let me tell you, that was a really weird thing to find yourself saying)
05:02 jcamins          *that is
05:03 dcook            Hehe, I bet
05:03 dcook            I started in libraries about 6 years ago and even that sounds pretty weird at this point
05:03 dcook            I just got my MLIS in December and many of my classmates had never worked in a library
05:04 dcook            Not that I want to distract you, but where did all the computer science and Koha stuff come into the mix? During your BA/MLIS?
05:04 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7507' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b322cf9090a78cf0aad9fcc533a0c7cf70ff7a2> / Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=599a36ceab223c55648ee43748e7f52e48bbc77c> / Merge branch 'bug_9546' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=
05:04 jcamins          Before, actually.
05:05 jcamins          I was a programmer before starting college.
05:05 jcamins          Then I decided I was done with that game.
05:05 dcook            Self-taught programmer in high school?
05:05 jcamins          Well, my father is a very senior developer.
05:06 dcook            Ahhh.
05:06 jcamins          So he taught me when I was little (very little!).
05:06 dcook            I might be planning that a little bit for my future wee ones :p
05:06 jenkins_koha     Starting build #1038 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:06 jcamins          And I had the good fortune to be hired by a software company as soon as I could get a work permit thingy.
05:07 dcook            My dad taught me how to use DOS and Windows 3.1. He's not a power user, but he knew more back then than most people in my rural community
05:07 dcook            That's always good :)
05:07 dcook            Admittedly, I'm in that situation about now
05:08 jcamins          After college I set off to Afghanistan to be a librarian, and one thing led to another.
05:08 dcook            So where was the work permit for? The US?
05:08 jcamins          Yeah.
05:08 jcamins          You have to get a work permit if you're under 17.
05:09 dcook            As a citizen?
05:09 dcook            It seems like you have quite the story!
05:09 jcamins          Yeah, child labor laws.
05:10 jcamins          I'm not sure it's that way in every state, but it is in NJ.
05:10 dcook            Intriguing
05:10 dcook            So what made you decide to stop being a programmer?
05:11 dcook            When I was in high school, I was planning to do CS, but a friend of my sister's convinced me not to and I did English instead
05:11 dcook            Since then, I have some regret that I didn't do CS (because of my current knowledge gap), but I do wonder if I would've liked it outside a library context
05:11 jcamins          I was a pretty good programmer, but it was very stressful.
05:12 rangi            it's far less mental outside of a library context
05:12 dcook            Less mental?
05:12 rangi            yep
05:12 jcamins          rangi: yeah, but the hours...
05:12 * jcamins        shudders.
05:13 dcook            Mmm, I do know a few people who work for IBM and Telstra
05:13 dcook            And yeah...their phone is never off
05:13 rangi            you just have to work for a decent company
05:13 jcamins          [off] my father was a partner in his own business when I was little... he travelled a lot.
05:13 jcamins          And never ever own your own business.
05:14 jcamins          ... oops. :P
05:14 dcook            lol
05:14 rangi            ive been a programmer for hmm 19 years
05:14 rangi            (paid to programme that is)
05:14 dcook            jcamins: I debate it back and forth all the time. I see the hours that my boss puts in...but then I also see the control that you have (and the compensation that comes from being the boss although then you have all the expenses and disasters to worry about too)
05:14 dcook            How much of that has been in the library context, rangi?
05:15 dcook            At least 13?
05:15 rangi            naw
05:15 rangi            well not in total
05:15 jcamins          dcook: I'm mostly kidding. I love having my own business.
05:15 rangi            its only really 4 or 5 years when i worked full time on koha stuff
05:15 dcook            Always reassuring to hear that
05:15 dcook            jcamins
05:16 dcook            I still don't know if I would do it, but I don't know what the future will bring. Lots of possibilities it seems.
05:16 jcamins          Okay... I'm confused.
05:17 dcook            Me too
05:17 jcamins          How did pubdate,gt work for you?
05:17 dcook            Well, I'm confused for something else
05:17 dcook            I didn't try pubdate,gt
05:17 dcook            I used acqdate,gt
05:17 jcamins          Ah!
05:17 jcamins          Thanks.
05:17 dcook            I think Galen changed it
05:17 * dcook          tries to remember the test plan
05:18 dcook            For acqdate, you'll need to use a yyyy-mm-dd string
05:18 dcook            But pubdate would just need yyyy, I imagine
05:18 dcook            rangi: I don't even know where to start with the questions about the origin of Koha and your own programming experience
05:20 rangi            you could read the code4lib article
05:20 rangi            http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
05:21 jcamins          Okay, there we go.
05:21 jcamins          I haven't the foggiest idea how pubdate,gt could have worked.
05:21 jcamins          pubdate,st-year,gt works.
05:22 jcamins          However, the patch is an improvement.
05:22 dcook            Hmm
05:22 jcamins          And we won't have this problem with QueryParser.
05:22 dcook            I just tried "pubdate,gt:2012" and it worked
05:22 dcook            Well...seemingly
05:23 jcamins          Oh, I bet it's GRS-1 vs. DOM.
05:23 dcook            Mmm, could be
05:23 dcook            You're DOM?
05:23 dcook            [off] That sounds awkward...
05:24 jcamins          [off] lol
05:25 jcamins          Yeah.
05:25 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9552' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b48c1e2d2fbcb0e0f8b9635f7d34026585137935> / Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb4ebab07ca52143f8438309c394317fb479a6f6>
05:25 dcook            Yay!
05:26 wajasu           nice
05:27 dcook            I have a note to go back and send a patch to kohadocs when I have some time as well
05:27 dcook            Seems like Nicole supports the thing almost completely singlehandedly
05:27 jcamins          Yup.
05:27 rangi            if you fix the french ones, so they stop failing (just change the html entities into the unicode char they should be)
05:27 rangi            that would be awesome
05:27 dcook            Hm?
05:27 rangi            theyve been failing for a year or so
05:27 jcamins          That would be very awesome!
05:28 rangi            its annoying
05:28 dcook            Which french ones?
05:28 dcook            The french manuals?
05:28 jcamins          Yeah.
05:28 dcook            I'll make a note of that as well
05:28 rangi            http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/278/console
05:28 dcook            Hmm, I've been looking for a way to keep up with my French as well..
05:29 rangi            excellent
05:29 dcook            I'm really keen to promote Koha more back home in Canada as well. Do the Quebec folks ever drop in on the IRC channel?
05:29 jcamins          Sometimes.
05:29 rangi            yep
05:29 jcamins          Haven't seen them in a while.
05:29 rangi            maximep
05:29 rangi            seen maximep?
05:29 wahanui          maximep was last seen on #koha 19 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: crazy weather [Fri Jan 18 14:56:55 2013]
05:29 rangi            seen ebegin
05:29 wahanui          ebegin was last seen on #koha 1 years, 32 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: nengard, let me know if the numbering pattern that I suggest in the email works as expected ;) [Fri Jan  6 20:56:18 2012]
05:30 dcook            Hmm, maybe I'll have to send some emails their way too
05:30 rangi            did you know all the schools PEI use koha?
05:30 dcook            I suppose Evergreen is pretty big on the west coast, and I think the community website says that there are some instances of Koha randomly through the mid-west, but...I think that Canada would love Koha
05:30 dcook            O_O
05:30 rangi            http://www.gov.pe.ca/index.php3/index.php3?number=news&newsnumber=7681&dept=&lang=E
05:30 dcook            I did not, but that is awesome!
05:31 rangi            http://211.schoollibrary.edu.pe.ca/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=183759
05:32 dcook            That is oh so very cool
05:32 dcook            And great promotion material as well...
05:33 dcook            Thanks, rangi :)
05:33 dcook            I found the available information about use of Koha in Canada to be a bit spotty :/
05:33 rangi            well its totally up to people to tell us/someone they are using it
05:34 dcook            Oh absolutely
05:34 rangi            libraries are notoriously bad at publicity
05:34 dcook            Agreed
05:34 rangi            i think that is the single biggest problem facing them
05:34 rangi            there's a lot of 'how do we be relevant?'
05:34 dcook            Interestingly though, I think public libraries in Canada are heaps better than Australia
05:34 jcamins          I can't find any problems with 9521.
05:34 rangi            the main answer is 'tell people you actually exist and what you offer'
05:34 dcook            Very true
05:34 wahanui          I know. That's why I said it.
05:35 dcook            Main answer?
05:35 wahanui          i think Main answer is 'tell people you actually exist and what you offer'
05:35 dcook            As in the most frequent?
05:35 rangi            no as in the one that would actually be useful
05:35 rangi            the most frequent is
05:35 rangi            lets get ebooks
05:35 jcamins          lol
05:35 rangi            which since no one knows you have them
05:35 rangi            still doesnt help
05:35 jcamins          Like Overdrive. :P
05:35 dcook            lol
05:35 dcook            Ugh...Overdrive...
05:36 dcook            That's what I was thinking, rangi
05:36 dcook            Typically, at least back home, the library usually has what you want
05:36 dcook            For free
05:36 dcook            O_O
05:36 rangi            yep
05:36 dcook            I worked at a law firm down the street from the central library in Vancouver
05:36 dcook            I went to the library every day. Amazing resources
05:36 dcook            When I was studying legal research, they had up to date legal resources!
05:37 dcook            Although the BC Courthouse Library is still probably the best law library for the public that I've ever encountered
05:37 dcook            Yeah, maybe I'm a little homesick sometimes ;)
05:37 rangi            hehe
05:37 dcook            I have to hunt for libraries in Sydney and when I find them...
05:37 rangi            yeah
05:37 dcook            Any better in NZ or NY?
05:38 rangi            its a little better here
05:38 dcook            I don't think my sister in Tampa uses her public library as they don't have very good resources and they're difficult to access
05:38 rangi            but lots of them are kinda invisible
05:39 jcamins          I rarely use the library, actually.
05:39 rangi            i cant use the catalogue of our local one
05:40 jcamins          We only moved to somewhere the library was convenient again last March.
05:40 rangi            it makes me want to stab myself in the eye
05:40 rangi            te takere, however, rules
05:40 rangi            http://www.tetakere.org.nz/
05:41 jcamins          rangi: thanks for fixing the status flow thing on bugzilla.
05:42 rangi            No worries
05:42 jcamins          So much better.
05:43 dcook            Not bad, rangi. Although where is the catalogue search bar?
05:44 dcook            Mmm, I know how that goes, jcamins
05:45 dcook            I just recently moved suburbs and have yet to check out my local library. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but...it's a more wealthy neighbourhood than I lived in before, so you never know...
05:45 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9521' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7642c2a88a1796ace019953ae075b60e55222b8> / Bug 9521: Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a88b2b2670a3f90af1115392a7c63dc3121d9b5d>
05:48 jcamins          Okay, that's it for me.
05:49 jcamins          I got through the backlog.
05:49 dcook            Nice one!
05:49 jcamins          Well, almost.
05:49 dcook            G'night!
05:49 jcamins_away     Good night.
05:49 wahanui          I watch you sleep.
05:50 jcamins_away     wahanui: thank goodness!
05:50 wahanui          jcamins_away: excuse me?
05:50 dcook            lol
05:50 jcamins_away     Well, I might need some #koha-style factoids at 4am.
05:51 dcook            I suppose you never know
06:13 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #1038: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1038/
06:13 jenkins_koha     * Chris Cormack: Bug 9546 : Updating make manifest tardist
06:13 jenkins_koha     * dcook: Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences
06:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist
06:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7507 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Audience Subtype limit on Advanced Search does not have all Audiences
06:15 jenkins_koha     Starting build #1039 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:15 dcook            hi cait :)
06:17 cait             h dcook :)
06:39 * dcook          wishes there were more hours in the day and more days in the week...
06:41 * cait           too
07:03 dcook            Speaking of which, I'm finally going to call it a day and get out into the world
07:03 dcook            Ta cait and other kohaers!
07:03 cait             :)
07:10 reiveune         hello
07:11 rangi            hi reiveune
07:11 reiveune         hi rangi, cait, magnuse :)
07:15 drojf            good morning #koha
07:15 rangi            hi drojf and sophie_m
07:16 drojf            so you do your meeting at a weird time and then you come up with the craziest ideas? :P
07:16 drojf            hi rangi
07:21 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #1039: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1039/
07:21 jenkins_koha     * dcook: Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
07:21 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9521: Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib
07:21 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
07:21 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9521 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib
07:58 * magnuse        waves
07:59 drojf            hi magnuse
07:59 magnuse          hiya drojf
07:59 magnuse          drojf: what's the proper greeting for you? guten tag?
08:00 drojf            magnuse: moin ;)
08:01 drojf            a northern german variant of "guten morgen"
08:01 magnuse          ah, cool!
08:01 magnuse          kind of similar til norwegian "morn" i guess
08:02 magnuse          also short for "good morning"
08:02 drojf            yes :)
08:02 magnuse          s/til/to/
08:05 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Pour ceux qui ont loupé ça hier : les Newsletters Koha Communautaires de Décembre et Janvier en français -  https://t.co/OTUETJVn #KohaILS"
08:06 drojf            there is no french word for 'newsletter'? i am shocked :P
08:07 magnuse          nouvel letre? ;-)
08:08 magnuse          there http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013
08:10 drojf            when is feature freeze for 3.14? the meeting sounded like 'soon'
08:11 drojf            err. 3.12
08:12 rangi            did you see jareds email?
08:13 rangi            http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-February/038846.html
08:13 drojf            ah. i see it now. marked as read, but did not read it
08:13 drojf            thanks
08:22 * magnuse        needs to find a way to go to reno
08:24 * kf             too
08:24 magnuse          i was just reading the log of the meeting
08:25 magnuse          and was reminded how much fun kohacon10 was
08:25 kf               oh yes
08:25 * kf             made some great friends there :)
08:25 magnuse          and i think "training" more people to do sign offs would be an excellent thing for the 'con
08:25 magnuse          kf: yup :-)
08:26 drojf            i put what jcamins_away wrote on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12
08:26 drojf            feel free to add whatever might belong there
08:26 drojf            hi kf
08:27 * kf             has met a jedi at the bakery
08:27 kf               was almost eaten up by a crocodile on the way down the hill
08:27 kf               and now I am worried about the headless knight sitting next office
08:27 kf               drojf++
08:29 drojf            sun!!
08:30 kf               lots of snow :)
08:30 drojf            kf: i'm so happy to live in berlin right now ;)
08:30 kf               drojf: no schmotziger in berlin? :)
08:30 kf               hehe
08:31 drojf            nope lol
08:41 magnuse          kf: these are not the kuchen you are looking for?
08:42 kf               kuchen? :)
08:42 kf               how do you know I have 10 berliner/pfannkuchen on my shelf right now? :D
08:43 magnuse          kf: you don't want to know :-)
08:43 * kf             looks over her shoulder an dwaves
08:45 * magnuse        waves back
08:46 kf               hah!
08:47 magnuse          huh?
08:52 drojf            »Four months after its formal launch, not only has Windows Phone 8 failed  to win Microsoft a bigger piece of the mobile pie, but Redmond's share of US smartphone subscribers is actually still shrinking«
08:52 kf               oh ouch
08:52 kf               source?
08:52 wahanui          source is good.
08:53 drojf            http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/07/winphone8_share_still_shrinking/
08:54 drojf            i don't remember when i have last seen any windows on a phone in the wild
08:55 drojf            »from the look of things, the subscriber share that BlackBerry and  Microsoft will be fighting over will be in the single digits, at best« heh
08:58 kf               ... my brother has one
08:58 * kf             hides in shame
08:58 kf               ;)
08:59 drojf            there there, it's not your fault. i hope :P
09:00 kf               heh thx
09:06 drojf            where's the duct tape?
09:06 wahanui          i guess the duct tape is versatile.
09:09 rangi            heh
09:09 rangi            bip :)
09:10 rangi            https://wiki.linaro.org/Resources/HowTo/BIP
09:11 rangi            i like it because it does ssl really simply
09:11 rangi            22:08 [Koha] -!-           : is connected via SSL (secure link)
09:17 drojf            i think that won't help with the hiccups of my network unless i run it somewhere else.
09:18 rangi            yep, thats what i do
09:18 rangi            run it on my linode
09:19 rangi            so i can connect from my phone or laptop or tablet, or work .. and i have all the scroll buffer on any of them and no one else notices :)
09:19 drojf            yeah that's cool
09:21 drojf            off to work. later #koha
09:21 rangi            i wonder what magnuse and viktor are talking about
09:22 kf               google translate? :)
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09:25 magnuse          rangi: viktor did a talk at some swedish library do, and the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5ljwtUvc0&sns=em
09:25 magnuse          it's in swedish, though...
09:25 kf               viktor++ :)
09:26 rangi            ahh cool
09:26 magnuse          yeah viktor++
09:27 magnuse          i think he talked a lot about koha
09:27 rangi            it looks like it from looking at the slides
09:28 mib_678bem       what is the recomended web hosting company if I want to host koha online?
09:29 rangi            you want to do the sysadmin yourself?
09:29 magnuse          rangi: the title of the talk is something like "convenient or right? choosing the road for control over libraries"
09:29 mib_678bem       Yes, though am very green on koha and linux
09:30 rangi            i'd go for something like linode
09:30 rangi            were you get full control of a machine
09:31 mib_678bem       does it come with an automated installation script?
09:32 rangi            choose debian squeeze as your OS, then you can use the koha packages
09:32 rangi            packages?
09:32 wahanui          packages is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:33 mib_678bem       can I get a comprehensive installation guide with all the commands that I need to run
09:34 kf               look at the wiki page above
09:36 mib_678bem       ok thanks bro, am getting my hands on it now
09:38 mib_678bem       I have been playing around with one here and am running it on ubuntu 12.04.02 and trying to install koha 3.10.* but I got stack at some place where it wouldnt show on http://localhost:8080
09:39 magnuse          mib_678bem: do you get the "it works!" page or nothing at all?
09:58 kf               rangi++
09:59 magnuse          rangi++
09:59 magnuse          what did he do now? :-)
10:01 kf               just theusual
10:01 kf               being awesoe
10:01 kf               being awesome even
10:03 magnuse          yay!
11:35 drojf            wahanui: entertain me
11:35 wahanui          drojf: excuse me?
11:37 kf               he can't
11:37 kf               excuse?
11:37 wahanui          kf: because Bill Gates is a Jehovah's witness and so nothing can work on St. Swithin's day.
11:38 kf               excuse?
11:38 wahanui          kf: Typo in the code
11:38 kf               @eightball will drojf sign off patches today?
11:38 huginn           kf: No chance.
11:58 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @27point7: "nice interface http://t.co/8YZYeNUe #kohails"
12:45 jcamins          Good morning, #koha.
12:46 kf               magnuse++
12:46 kf               good morning jcamins
12:47 drojf            hi jcamins
12:47 drojf            excuse?
12:47 wahanui          drojf: Temporal anomaly
12:48 drojf            if that would only be temporal haha
12:50 drojf            excuse?
12:51 wahanui          drojf: Your Flux Capacitor has gone bad.
12:51 drojf            that is so 1985
13:28 * oleonard       missed a meeting didn't he?
13:28 jcamins          oleonard: you did.
13:28 * oleonard       regrets
13:29 kf               read back :)
13:29 oleonard         it's not the same as being there kf! :)
13:38 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9473' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=375873d22108ee3c2447bad44f929c1f7aac1810> / Bug 9473: Use DataTables on tags list page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a63960acc760fa6e6df4a18271d88ee89024c689> / Merge branch 'bug_9476' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=faea0a52cca0bc3542b
13:39 kf               oleonard: I missed it too :)
13:39 kf               so I understand
13:43 jcamins          "Heavy" snow accumulation this weekend. Eww.
13:43 kf               snow in new york
13:43 kf               what's so bad about it? :)
13:46 jcamins          kf: it's cold, wet, and makes transportation difficult.
13:46 jcamins          And, while I'm listing my complaints, we're out of raspberry jam.
13:47 kf               oh no!!
13:48 oleonard         jcamins: Does FEMA know?!
13:48 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9556' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=723dadcf7a34452da55e38c0cdb83ae7201a370d> / Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9912e384043df1224a5a1735a8f3fec3caddd8fc>
13:49 jcamins          oleonard: not yet.
13:50 drojf            note to self: Raspberry Koha π plug and play servers for 3.14 release. instant world domination
13:50 jcamins          drojf: nice!
13:50 jenkins_koha     Starting build #1040 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1038 8 hr 44 min ago)
13:51 jcamins          drojf: but I was hoping for 3.12.
13:57 drojf            jcamins: if we get plack working without problems i don't see a problem with that
13:57 jcamins          drojf: that's kind of the trick, isn't it?
13:58 jcamins          "If we get Plack working without problems."
13:58 drojf            yeah, it's not really fun without plack
13:59 libsysguy        hey jcamins I have a present for you: http://www.coinheist.com/rubik/a_regular_crossword/grid.pdf
14:00 jcamins          libsysguy: uhhh...
14:00 libsysguy        its a regex crossword
14:00 jcamins          o.O
14:00 kf               omg
14:00 kf               they look weird
14:01 libsysguy        apparently it was in the MIT mystery hunt
14:01 * jcamins        prints it out.
14:02 libsysguy        do you want the solution?
14:02 jcamins          No!
14:02 libsysguy        heh
14:02 jcamins          wtf is the point of that?
14:03 libsysguy        the solution?
14:03 wahanui          the solution is, like, not to ditch support for MySQL and everyone currently using Koha before we have working support for Postgres and a rock-solid migration plan
14:03 libsysguy        so you can check your answers
14:03 jcamins          If you get everything filled in, your answer is right.
14:03 libsysguy        hahaha
14:04 jcamins          Bother.
14:04 jcamins          It's larger than a single sheet of paper.
14:04 libsysguy        you have to select the resize
14:04 jcamins          Yeah, _now_ I know that. :P
14:05 libsysguy        here is where it comes from http://www.mit.edu/~puzzle/
14:14 jcamins          I filled in six cells. Just another many to go.
14:14 * oleonard       snatches the paper away from jcamins and demands he gets back to work!
14:14 drojf            omg that's craziness
14:14 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "NoveList Select Enhanced Content Added to the Koha Open Source ILS http://t.co/f1s9pToK #kohails"
14:14 libsysguy        id say thats one you definitely don't want to do in pen
14:15 jcamins          Hehe.
14:15 jcamins          Agreed.
14:16 * magnuse        wonders if regexpuzzles will ever become as popular as sudoku
14:16 jcamins          magnuse: hehe.
14:16 libsysguy        in an hour jcamins you might want this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dgml.swearport&hl=en
14:16 jcamins          Probably not.
14:16 jcamins          lol
14:16 jcamins          Thanks.
14:17 drojf            my mom has to learn that :D
14:17 * magnuse        was almost about to check if there were any regexpuzzlecompanies he could buy stock in
14:17 drojf            prevents alzheimers, induces psychosis
14:19 magnuse          sounds like an excellent deal, drojf
14:20 drojf            heh
14:29 SandeepBhavsar   hi all
14:38 drojf            hi SandeepBhavsar
14:58 jenkins_koha     Yippie, build fixed!
14:58 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #1040: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1040/
14:58 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9529 - Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section
14:58 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds
14:58 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds - QA Followup
14:58 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9477 - Use DataTables on notices page
14:58 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9476: Use Datatables on Koha news page
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9529 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section
14:58 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 9473: Use DataTables on tags list page
14:58 jenkins_koha     * gmc: Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent holds
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables on notices page
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables on Koha news page
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on tags list page
14:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9556 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Changing patron category does not fully update patron messaging preferences
14:59 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: please ask questions in the channel instead of sending random private messages. it is considered impolite and may lead to several people being occupied with your problem at the same time. all people helping here are do so unpaid in their spare time.
14:59 jcamins          Yippee!
14:59 SandeepBhavsar   ok
15:00 SandeepBhavsar   Dear all please help me in solving one error, I have posted on our Koha forum
15:00 drojf            my grammer ir b0rked
15:00 SandeepBhavsar   its realted toFAILED--Further testing stopped: ***** PROBLEMS LOADING FILE 'Koha::Cache'
15:00 SandeepBhavsar   make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
15:03 jcamins          SandeepBhavsar: what operating system are you on?
15:03 SandeepBhavsar   I am using Ubuntu 10.04
15:04 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: you should probably give links to posts you are referring to
15:06 SandeepBhavsar   drojf, can you please guide how  can I give the links
15:07 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: i mean a web link to the forum you are referring to
15:08 oleonard         http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2013-February/035479.html
15:08 SandeepBhavsar   ok got it
15:08 SandeepBhavsar   http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2013-February/035479.html
15:09 jcamins          Do you have of Koha's dependencies installed?
15:09 SandeepBhavsar   dear all actually I am working as Librarian, so not having that much idea about how to interact with you all
15:10 jcamins          You don't have to preface everything you say with "dear all."
15:10 SandeepBhavsar   yes all perl modules
15:10 jcamins          And... if you're not planning on doing development, you should not be using git.
15:11 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: did you do the initial installation?
15:12 SandeepBhavsar   I have been using git from last one year, and only giving pull command for upgradation, its so simple and that's why using it actually i have posted the steps also for librarians at
15:12 SandeepBhavsar   http://sandeepbhavsar.blogspot.in/2010/11/how-to-upgrade-koha-from-git-repository.html
15:12 SandeepBhavsar   yes I can do the installation
15:13 SandeepBhavsar   I have learned all these commands from Kousthubha Kale
15:15 drojf            so you run master in production?
15:16 SandeepBhavsar   that i really dont know but I simply follow these commands and upgrade to latest koha
15:16 SandeepBhavsar   but this time it is asking for Branch??
15:16 jcamins          What version of Koha do you have running right now?
15:19 SandeepBhavsar    3.08
15:20 SandeepBhavsar
15:21 jcamins          And you're trying to upgrade to which version?
15:23 SandeepBhavsar   I would like to upgrade the latest one now 3.10 but is it stable, or what will you guide
15:24 jcamins          I'd probably upgrade to 3.8.9, but that's not what I'm asking.
15:24 jcamins          What I am asking is what version you are trying to upgrade to _right now_.
15:25 SandeepBhavsar    3.10
15:25 jcamins          3.10.what?
15:26 SandeepBhavsar   for which ver shall I go
15:27 SandeepBhavsar   actually in my earlier command koha does not ask me about which ver shall I go for, I simply give the command git pull and automatically the latest one upgraded
15:28 SandeepBhavsar   but this time i think i have to also write branch
15:29 jcamins          SandeepBhavsar: I think this issue is too complicated for me to walk you through now.
15:31 SandeepBhavsar   what will be the solution for this error http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2013-February/035479.html
15:31 jcamins          I don't know.
15:31 jcamins          That's what I'm saying.
15:31 SandeepBhavsar   no this error is different one
15:31 SandeepBhavsar   its related to Koha::Cache
15:32 jcamins          Yes, but you can't tell me what version you are upgrading to so I can't help.
15:32 jcamins          The only explanation I can come up with is that your git repo got messed up.
15:33 jcamins          Someone else may have time, but I have to do work for my clients.
15:33 SandeepBhavsar   actually i also dont have any idea, only i want the latest version. May be I am unable to answer your questions,Sorry
15:34 jcamins          Right. Someone with more time may be able to help, but right now I cannot.
15:43 drojf            SandeepBhavsar: to be honest i have no idea how that may have worked for you so far. you should really consider switching to a regular package installation for your production server
15:45 SandeepBhavsar   ok, actually i was thinking that this good service to upgrade to latest version with only pull command
15:45 datadoctor       Make errors are usually related to missing PERL modules.
15:46 datadoctor       I don't see any specific references, but have you checked your PERL dependencies?
15:47 SandeepBhavsar   yes my perl Makefile.PL command is not showing any perl module required means all perl modules are sufficient
15:48 SandeepBhavsar   now I will switch to regular package installation.
15:59 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  NoveList Select Enhanced Content Added to the Koha Open Source ILS http://t.co/waypdZR2"
16:05 reiveune         bye
16:13 SandeepBhavsar   bye
16:26 datadoctor       Does anyone notice a behavior on large systems where a vendor search from Acquisitions pulls up a multi-thousand line table? We've been ordering through Koha for seven years.
16:26 datadoctor       I can sort by date descending, but the table is still an overwhelming amount of data.
16:27 datadoctor       Especially since vendors with similar names to the one I want also show up.
16:28 datadoctor       My baskets are closed, but they still show up.
16:28 jcamins          datadoctor: there's a patch to change that behavior, actually, because several people have noticed that problem.
16:28 datadoctor       Sounds groovy!
16:29 jcamins          datadoctor: I don't know if it's been signed off yet, but I know there was one.
16:29 jcamins          Or think there was one.
16:29 jcamins          Bug 8611
16:29 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8611 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , too many baskets on search results for acquisitions
16:30 jcamins          Oh, hm.
16:30 jcamins          No patch, just a bug report.
16:33 datadoctor       I'm thinking of two methods to solve the problem - an intermediate page for selecting the specific vendor name result, and limiting the display to 20,50 or 100 lines with a "Show More" option.
16:38 datadoctor       Or maybe I could just toggle the closed baskets to not display by default, or display by choice.
16:39 jcamins          datadoctor: I think the latter was what someone wanted on bug 8611.
16:39 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8611 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , too many baskets on search results for acquisitions
16:39 jcamins          But take a look, because I'm not sure.
16:40 * oleonard       should use datadoctor's dataset when testing or working on acquisitions
16:40 * oleonard       never has enough acquisitions data
16:43 * drojf          heads home
16:47 jcamins          Argh!
16:47 jcamins          I had a question for oleonard!
16:47 jcamins          Wait.
16:47 jcamins          drojf left.
16:47 jcamins          oleonard: do you know of any javascript component for a text editor that allows you to "tag" text?
16:48 oleonard         Only in the context of a WYSIWYG editor
16:48 jcamins          What I need is a WYSIWYG editor that allows you to tag text with semantic information as well.
16:51 * jcamins        has an idea.
16:51 jcamins          It was a bad idea.
17:10 chris_n          did someone say lunch?
17:12 * jcamins        didn't. His mouth is full.
17:13 * oleonard       is too sad about jcamins' bad idea
17:25 tcohen           deciem
17:25 tcohen           decime
17:27 jcamins          Okay, time to head into the city.
17:45 datadoctor       I am confused about the relationship between singleBranchMode, IndependantBranches [sic], and AutoLocation.
17:45 datadoctor       Since we updated to v3.10, we don't appear to be limiting access to our address range as set in AutoLocation.
17:46 oleonard         singleBranchMode means hide functionality or information related to branches because only one branch is assumed.
17:46 oleonard         IndependantBranches means multiple branches but limited interaction between them
17:47 datadoctor       As a single branch, I should be able to use singleBranchMode, but I am thinking it breaks my system if I set it that way - could be a legacy data issue again...
17:47 oleonard         Single library with no branches?
17:47 oleonard         Why do you think it breaks your system?
17:49 datadoctor       Let me think back......
17:52 datadoctor       My mistake. I did have it set to single branch mode, and but it reverted when I updated to v3.10 - I'll check the database.
17:55 datadoctor       Sorry, this problem looks more complex than I thought at first. I will look into it before I ask more questions.
18:22 libsysguy        anybody around that knows about init scripts?
18:22 libsysguy        I am trying to change the owner of a socket
18:22 libsysguy        for koha to listen for plack
18:24 slef             I don't see what that has to do with init scripts?
18:24 slef             chown /path/to/socket
18:24 slef             err
18:24 slef             chown user.group /path/to/socket
18:24 libsysguy        well I want it do chown the directory from the init script
18:24 slef             put that command in the init script
18:25 libsysguy        before or after the daemon starts?
18:25 slef             depends when the socket is created - probably after
18:25 libsysguy        okay, I'll give it a go
18:25 slef             but before the ;; if it's written with a case statement for start/stop/restart... like most are
18:26 libsysguy        I actually wrote mine in a function
18:29 libsysguy        i think I was getting confused on the differences between sh and bash
18:29 libsysguy        if there are any
18:30 slef             There are. There's a series running on planet debian "a bashism a week" or similar.
18:31 libsysguy        I should subscribe to that
18:31 libsysguy        my bash skills are minmial at best
18:34 slef             heh - it's more to warn you to specify bash in the #! if you use any of them
18:35 libsysguy        aww you mean I can't run bash commands if I path to perl in #!
18:40 slef             or if you /bin/sh
18:41 jcamins_away     libsysguy: only if you enclose them in a system("bash -e '...'");
18:41 jeff             well, some people author a script on a system where /bin/sh == bash, and then the #!/bin/sh script breaks on a system where /bin/sh is something else entirely.
18:41 jeff             yeah, what slef said.
18:41 jcamins_away     jeff: I didn't realize that there were systems where /bin/sh == bash. What type of system?
18:42 slef             debian used to IIRC
18:42 slef             maybe debian < 4.0
18:42 libsysguy        heh jcamins_away
18:42 * libsysguy      is currently testing wheezy
18:42 * jcamins_away   waves to nancy!
18:43 libsysguy        NANCY!! You're back!
18:43 jcamins_away     nancyk, sorry.
18:43 jcamins_away     Tab complete didn't work.
18:43 slef             anyone remember how to stop emacs putting tabs instead of spaces when autoindenting?
18:43 libsysguy        yes its in the wiki
18:43 jcamins_away     slef: it involves lots of parentheses.
18:43 libsysguy        well if you want to stop it in git
18:44 libsysguy        which is the easiest way I have found
18:44 nancyk           Hi, can I find out more info on becoming a tester?
18:44 libsysguy        otherwise its some lisp line
18:44 jcamins_away     nancyk: you surely can!
18:44 libsysguy        I think jcamins_away just came out of his seat
18:44 jcamins_away     slef: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/69934/set-4-space-indent-in-emacs-in-text-mode
18:45 jcamins_away     nancyk: so, there are two ways to test patches for Koha.
18:45 nancyk           I don't do coding, but I know my ILS.
18:45 libsysguy        or you can do this slef http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL6:_Indentation
18:45 jcamins_away     Option 1 is to use the sandboxes, which are documented at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
18:46 jcamins_away     (we'll come back to what to do with that link, I just wanted to share it up front)
18:46 jcamins_away     With the sandboxes, you don't need to install anything.
18:47 jcamins_away     The sandboxes are on BibLibre's servers and you can just click a few buttons to choose what you want to test.
18:47 nancyk           Ok, I'll have a look
18:47 jcamins_away     However, the convenience comes at a cost: you can't test any patches that make changes to the database, or that make indexing changes.
18:48 jcamins_away     Option 2 is to run a Koha installation yourself, either on a spare computer, on a virtual machine on your desktop, or anywhere else you can think of to install Koha.
18:49 nancyk           We have done some virtual, and have a dev server.  It has 3.10 on it now
18:49 nancyk           I also have four very intelligent staff members in my dept. who are also interested
18:50 jcamins_away     Okay, so the set up with option 2 is a little bit more in-depth, but if you're game, it allows you to test a lot more, and often faster.
18:50 rangi            yay!
18:51 nancyk           We will have a look at the sandbox and will be back with questions, but I like option 2 better, thanks.
18:51 jcamins_away     nancyk: oh, now I'll explain the rest of the procedures.
18:52 jcamins_away     There are a few small differences between what you do when you have a sandbox and when you have your own server/VM, so I'll point them out.
18:52 jcamins_away     dashboard?
18:52 wahanui          dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
18:52 jcamins_away     ^^ on that page, about half-way down you'll see something like "Patch statuses."
18:53 jcamins_away     The first one is "Needs Signoff," and is a link that will take you to a list of all the bugs that are awaiting signoff.
18:53 jcamins_away     There are ~130 at the moment, I think.
18:53 jcamins_away     If you're using the sandboxes, you'll need to choose bugs that are pretty simple.
18:54 libsysguy        but there are plenty of those
18:54 libsysguy        so don't let jcamins_away discourage you :p
18:54 jcamins_away     Once you choose a bug, with the sandboxes you create a sandbox and enter that bug n number where prompted.
18:54 jcamins_away     There are *tons*.
18:54 rangi            did you see my i want to help thing?
18:54 rangi            i want to help?
18:54 jcamins_away     i want to help?
18:54 jcamins_away     I forgot about that.
18:55 jcamins_away     It's new.
18:55 rangi            add this stuff to that would be good :)
18:55 rangi            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
18:55 jcamins_away     \I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
18:55 jcamins_away     I want to help?
18:55 jcamins_away     wahanui: \I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
18:55 wahanui          i already had it that way, jcamins_away.
18:55 jcamins_away     I want to help?
18:55 jcamins_away     \I want to help?
18:55 * cait           waves
18:55 libsysguy        I want to help
18:55 jcamins_away     Anyway.
18:55 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @anomalily: "I need the best low-cost solution for @kohails-compatible bar code reader and label printer. Librarians/Coders, RT and respond?"
18:55 libsysguy        stinking bot
18:55 rangi            heya cait
18:56 jcamins_away     The bug report should have a test plan which you can follow. If the patch does what it is supposed to and *doesn't break anything else* you can then use the "Sign off" section on the sandbox control page.
18:56 jcamins_away     This means that if you test a patch and it works, but it makes something you're doing harder for no reason, you can fail the patch.
18:57 nancyk           Lots to look at and learn, thanks, got to go now, but I will be back
18:58 jcamins_away     Testing a patch and marking it as failed is just as important as testing a patch and signing off on it.
18:58 jcamins_away     Good luck!
18:58 rambutan         twitter: http://tinyurl.com/bf34n6d
19:01 rambutan         I must have 7 twitter accounts. Someday I'll write down the password instead of just making a new account everytime I want to tweet.  Someday.
19:02 jcamins_away     Hehe.
19:07 rambutan         OK, this time I wrote it down after I reset it. I can't believe 7 people are following me. If I have 7 followers for each of my 7 accounts, well, heck, I'm famous almost.
19:07 cait             lol
19:07 jcamins_away     Hehe.
19:08 rambutan         wonder how long it takes tweets to be forwarded here?
19:08 rambutan         I probably had a syntax error and it got forwarded to /dev/null
19:09 jcamins_away     rambutan: it varies. Sometimes minutes, sometimes hours.
19:11 cait             did you have #kohails?
19:12 rambutan         no, was I supposed to? I just put in what the originator had: @anomalily   @kohails-compatible
19:12 rambutan         I clearly need a twitter training class
19:14 oleonard         rambutan: You followed an incorrect example :)
19:14 cait             good morning kathryn
19:14 cait             :)
19:14 rambutan         I, despite being ostensibly being computer-literate and having a progressive interest in what might be regarded as tech subjects, am very non-Web 2.0.
19:14 oleonard         rambutan: The person used @kohails (as if @kohails was a person who could respond) instead of #kohails which enables hashtag searching
19:15 rambutan         I knew that now that you reminded me
19:16 rambutan         OK, ZZS
19:17 rambutan         Now, any of you old military radio operators want to guess what ZZS is? No googling.
19:18 oleonard         Are we having an esoterica contest?
19:19 rambutan         ZZS = resend (usually after nak or corrections are made)
19:22 rambutan         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9LWUIWvpU
19:26 kathryn          cait, good morning!
19:26 kathryn          and greetings all
19:26 cait             :)
19:32 rambutan         botsmack!
19:32 oleonard         khall around?
19:32 wahanui          :(
19:35 bag              oleonard: I believe his is - but sometimes slow to hear the ping :)
19:35 bag              s/his/he
19:36 oleonard         I'm curious if the .conf change alone is enough to trigger the highlight in Bug 7740
19:36 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC
19:40 jcamins_away     Heh. Looks like lots of people had things to say about stand up desks.
19:40 slef             libsysguy: I do, but it's still annoying.
19:40 slef             jcamins_away: thanks.
19:40 jcamins_away     slef: huh?
19:42 slef             jcamins_away: pointed me to a stackoverflow that showed the variable I want is indent-tabs-mode (the "best" answer on the page itself is wrong, IMO)
19:42 jcamins_away     Oh, cool!
19:42 jcamins_away     I completely forgot about that.
19:42 jcamins_away     You're very welcome.
19:42 slef             Welcome to Lagland
19:42 slef             bbl
20:01 drojf            »Leaflet is a modern open-source JavaScript library for mobile-friendly interactive maps. British English speakers might be looking for fliers and pamphlets advertising OSM instead. «
20:01 * drojf          giggles
20:08 datadoctor       I figured out more about the odd behavior I was getting with my branch preferences.
20:08 datadoctor       I have singleBranchMode set to "Don't Allow"
20:09 datadoctor       I have AutoLocation set to "Require" with my IP address range set to the internal network.
20:09 datadoctor       When I change IndependantBranches from Don
20:10 datadoctor       't Prevent to Prevent I lose the ability to log in to the system. When I change it back (while still in session) users can log in again.
20:10 datadoctor       I only have one branch defined.
20:10 datadoctor       Or is that one library? MAIN = Our Library Name
20:11 datadoctor       I guess it
20:11 datadoctor       's fine to leave it as Don
20:11 datadoctor       't Prevent because there is only one branch, so it's not a problem...
20:11 * oleonard       moves datadoctor's apostrophe key further from the Enter key
20:12 datadoctor       Thanks!
20:12 datadoctor       I'm thinking the IndependantBranches preference breaks when there is just one branch?
20:13 oleonard         IndependantBranches doesn't serve any function if there is only one branch
20:13 oleonard         ...but maybe you're right.
20:13 datadoctor       The ramifications are that if the IndependantBranches preference is set to "Prevent" no one can log in, and you have to manually edit the database to reset the preference. v3.10
20:14 datadoctor       Most people aren't likely to change it though!
20:14 datadoctor       If they are single branch
20:16 datadoctor       My apologies again - I didn't test this fully. The problem occurs on my live (production) Koha v.310 stable, but not on my test server, v3.11 master.
20:17 datadoctor       So maybe this has been resolved somehow. I have a feeling you won't be able to duplicate the issue.
20:18 datadoctor       I think I need to learn more about the branch concept and how it integrates with authentication.
20:19 datadoctor       Just tested on a second 3.11 test server, set to "Prevent" and login works - on my live v.310 "Prevent" disables all logins.
20:20 datadoctor       But lets your session continue - so you can set the preference back to "Don't Prevent" :)
20:20 datadoctor       Thanks for listening - I am moving on now!
20:29 oleonard         Hi wizzyrea
20:29 wizzyrea         hey oleonard
20:29 wahanui          oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
20:29 wizzyrea         hehe
20:29 wizzyrea         how is ohio
20:29 cait             hi wizzyrea
20:30 oleonard         Sunny and pleasant today, although I haven't been outside once in 8 hours
20:36 datadoctor       I enjoyed some Ohio sunshine on my lunch break - very warm as well.
20:37 wizzyrea         :)
20:37 wizzyrea         it's gorgeous here today so far
20:38 datadoctor       @wunder Kent, OH
20:38 huginn           datadoctor: The current temperature in Kent State Geography, Kent, Ohio is 6.2°C (3:35 PM EST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
20:38 cait             @wunder Konstanz
20:38 huginn           cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.2°C (9:35 PM CET on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
20:38 wizzyrea         @wunder wgtn
20:38 datadoctor       Chilly with a bit of snow, eh cait?
20:38 huginn           wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
20:38 wizzyrea         hrm.
20:38 wizzyrea         @wunder wellington, nz
20:38 huginn           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
20:39 datadoctor       Looks like rain in Wellington!
20:39 bag              @wunder 93102
20:39 huginn           bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 14.1°C (12:37 PM PST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
20:40 cait             yeah, bit of snow :)
20:41 datadoctor       Wellington is clear with 15C - I think you officially have the nicest weather wizzyrea !
20:41 datadoctor       That's pretty humid though!
20:41 wizzyrea         :) sposed to be 20 today
20:41 datadoctor       !!!
20:42 rangi            thats at the airport
20:42 rangi            it will be less humid in town
20:43 eythian          yeah, it's not particularly humid at all
20:43 eythian          at least, that I noticed.
20:43 rangi            http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-41.339%2C174.773&sp=IWELLING75
20:43 rangi            thats closer to the catalyst office
20:44 datadoctor       The Android app looks pretty cool.
20:44 cait             morning eythian
20:44 eythian          oddly, it's about 2-3° warmer in Aro Valley than anywhere else.
20:45 eythian          hi cait
20:45 datadoctor       KiritakiKoha
20:45 wizzyrea         ok this is wicked
20:45 wizzyrea         http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=-41.339000&lon=174.773000&zoom=8&pin=Wellington%2c%20New%20Zealand&rad.type=00Q
20:45 wizzyrea         it actually could be cooler, we had a bunch of kids fix it up for us
20:46 wizzyrea         i'm not sure the result has been uploaded yet
20:46 datadoctor       Wow! I hadn't seen that wundermap feature - that is very cool.
20:47 wizzyrea         this is closer to my house: http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=IWELLING39&day=08&month=02&year=2013
20:48 rangi            wizzyrea: yep it has
20:49 jcamins_away     Yeah, I have the new version.
20:49 jcamins_away     _Very_ snazzy.
20:49 wizzyrea         \o/
20:51 libsysguy        rangi around?
20:52 * libsysguy      can't remember how to fix the debian control file
20:52 rangi            sorta, working at the hospital
20:52 rangi            you run the script
20:52 eythian          how'd you break it?
20:52 * libsysguy      doesn't know
20:52 jcamins_away     eythian: it has "EEEEK" in it.
20:52 rangi            debian/update-control
20:52 eythian          oh right
20:53 eythian          if it's just for that paginator one, just remove that EEEK
20:53 libsysguy        ah okay
20:53 eythian          if it's for a bunch of things, revisit assumptions
20:53 jcamins_away     eythian: two paginators.
20:53 libsysguy        ^^
20:53 jcamins_away     I'm pretty sure there really aren't packages for either, so I told libsysguy he had to resubmit the patch without the EEEEKs.
20:54 libsysguy        hightlight -> delete
20:54 eythian          does the box that you ran update-control on have the koha-common squeeze-dev repo loaded in?
20:54 eythian          and have apt-file update run?
20:54 libsysguy        probably not, I just installed apt-file
20:55 eythian          squeeze-dev|main|source: libdata-paginator-perl 0.05-1 <-- that one has a package, the other one doesn't
20:55 jcamins_away     eythian: oh, interesting!
20:55 wahanui          it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:55 libsysguy        oh man, this is going to screw me up
20:55 libsysguy        I'm running wheezy
20:55 eythian          that runs the risk of being problematic
20:55 eythian          actually, it probably won't be a problem
20:55 libsysguy        I'll run the update
20:55 libsysguy        and se
20:55 libsysguy        see**
20:56 eythian          make sure you have the koha-common repo added first
20:56 libsysguy        shoot…okay, I'll let it finish and load it up
20:56 eythian          err
20:56 eythian          koha-community.org repo
20:56 eythian          you don't need to install the packages or anything
20:56 libsysguy        we should add debian/control to the .gitignore file
20:57 eythian          no we shouldn't
20:57 libsysguy        :p
20:57 jcamins_away     libsysguy: no we shouldn't.
20:57 jcamins_away     What eythian said.
20:57 jcamins_away     It takes ages to generate, and rarely changes.
20:57 libsysguy        okay, fine…*I* should add it to my local git ignore file
20:57 eythian          then your patches won't be correct if you change a dependency :)
20:57 libsysguy        if I crtl-C it will I be fine
20:57 libsysguy        so I can install koha-common
20:58 eythian          <eythian> koha-community.org repo
20:58 eythian          <eythian> you don't need to install the packages or anything
20:58 jcamins_away     Shouldn't be a problem.
20:58 jcamins_away     @query packaging updates
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , Missing dependencies for Debian package
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Package related updates for master
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8806 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
20:58 huginn           jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
20:59 eythian          nobody signs off on my paperwork packaging patches, so the package building gets stale :(
20:59 cait             eythian: maybe try sending a list to the mailing list?
20:59 cait             I was not aware so many were waiting
20:59 eythian          I should, yeah
20:59 eythian          most of them are just updates to changelogs or the control file or whatever, so more or less trivial
20:59 * cait           has also a patch waiting fo rsign-off and 2 for qa
20:59 jcamins_away     Yeah, I was just thinking I should claim ultimate authority and threaten to push the patches.
21:00 jcamins_away     As is, untested.
21:00 oleonard         eythian: Do they all have thorough commit messages with test plans?
21:00 jcamins_away     Unfortunately, that wouldn't work because everyone would just let me. I think I'm the only one other than eythian who builds packages regularly.
21:00 libsysguy        okay now its running
21:00 * libsysguy      drums fingers
21:00 cait             hm magnuse knows some too
21:00 eythian          oleonard: they're all pre-test-plan era
21:00 jcamins_away     cait: good point.
21:01 cait             there ever was a pre-test-plan?
21:01 eythian          also, they're not really things that can be tested beyond "do a build and see that it doesn't break"
21:01 jcamins_away     @later tell magnuse Karma for the person who tests the packaging patches that are waiting! Bug 8806 and bug 9143.
21:01 huginn           jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
21:01 oleonard         eythian: It's better than nothing
21:01 * wizzyrea       would sign off on them but you wouldn't take it
21:01 * oleonard       made up too many test plans for others today :P
21:01 eythian          heh
21:02 cait             oleonard: my patch has one... if that helps :)
21:02 eythian          one day I'll revisit them and make more patches and do that :)
21:02 cait             eythian: and you go and write test plans! :)
21:02 eythian          well, I'm better off closing the old ones and making new patches containing the things that have changed to date.
21:02 jcamins_away     eythian: oh, okay.
21:03 oleonard         cait: Bug 9403?
21:03 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Material type icons not showing for XSLT default view in intranet
21:03 * cait           nods
21:12 libsysguy        okay the only EEEK I have now is Data::Paginator
21:12 jcamins_away     eythian: would it be better to have a separate packaging repo?
21:12 libsysguy        is that aceptable?
21:12 eythian          libsysguy: that's fine, but remove it :)
21:12 eythian          I need to blacklist that one
21:12 libsysguy        okay cool
21:12 eythian          (actually, maybe I already have, but no one signed off on it :)
21:12 libsysguy        I am going to have to squash some commits
21:13 eythian          jcamins_away: possibly, I'm not sure.
21:13 eythian          even a flag on bz so I can say "this is a trivial patch, it's only for packaging, it can probably go straight in" to bypass the normal process.
21:14 jcamins_away     eythian: it seems to me that the package maintainer's patches for packages could be pushed with only one set of eyes.
21:15 eythian          yeah. I think it'd be worth having a glance-over by the RM, even if just to make sure I'm not committing a file outside of the packaging that I shouldn't be, but a functional test shouldn't be necessary.
21:16 rangi            there is a packaging category on bugzilla
21:16 rangi            make the bugs under that, and then that can be used for people to know
21:16 jcamins_away     Okay, makes sense to me.
21:16 jcamins_away     eythian: in that case, you can go ahead and pass QA on any packaging patches that you approve of.
21:16 * cait           is ok with that too
21:17 jcamins_away     cait: sorry...
21:17 cait             hm?
21:17 cait             eythian: but doesn't mean you don't need test plans on your other patches! :P
21:17 jcamins_away     I should have asked you before telling eythian to mark the bugs passed qa.
21:17 cait             it's ok
21:18 eythian          cait: but...but...awwww :)
21:18 eythian          yeah, that all works for me
21:18 cait             jcamins_away: just let me be mean to eythian about his other patches :)
21:18 jcamins_away     cait: fear not.
21:18 cait             jcamins_away: excellent.
21:19 eythian          if I get a chance today I'll bundle up the updates into a patch.
21:19 jcamins_away     eythian++
21:19 drojf            so i wont be testing bug 9143 tomorrow?
21:19 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Package related updates for master
21:20 jcamins_away     @later tell magnuse Never mind, false alarm. As packaging maintainer, eythian's packaging patches don't need testing.
21:20 huginn           jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
21:20 eythian          drojf: it's already passed QA :)
21:21 drojf            yay \o/
21:21 oleonard         See y'all later
21:21 wizzyrea         later
21:22 wizzyrea         that's what I get for taking sip of tea right at that moment.
21:24 libsysguy        so package question…plack::middleware::debug is currently in sid
21:24 libsysguy        so I can't add it as a dep
21:24 libsysguy        but it is really handy to have in the psgi file for debugging
21:24 libsysguy        what is the best way to handle that?
21:24 eythian          ideally you shouldn't have debug in the committed stuff anyway
21:25 jcamins_away     Right, that's why you have to check if it exists, then check if DEBUG is set, and, if both are true, load the panel.
21:25 jcamins_away     eythian: I disagree.
21:25 jcamins_away     We need the ability to debug our code when developing.
21:25 libsysguy        well I won't load the panel, however the use is porblematic
21:25 jcamins_away     libsysguy: right, that's why you don't use it.
21:26 jcamins_away     Use Module::Load::Conditional.
21:26 libsysguy        mind = blown
21:26 jcamins_away     And if DEBUG is set, try to load it.
21:26 jcamins_away     Stupid MS Access.
21:26 jcamins_away     Double click and explodes.
21:27 eythian          jcamins_away: fair enough, it's not something I'm religious about :)
21:27 libsysguy        so working as expected?
21:27 jcamins_away     libsysguy: pretty much.
21:28 jcamins_away     eythian: especially since Plack is really intended for development at this point... a note which libsysguy is going to make sure to put in!
21:28 libsysguy        I had it in the installer, but I tool it out since I removed the if else for nginx apache
21:28 jcamins_away     Add comments in the nginx and Plack config files.
21:29 jcamins_away     Actually, I don't care about the Plack config files.
21:29 jcamins_away     No one will edit them.
21:29 jcamins_away     Add comments in the nginx config file.
21:29 libsysguy        fine then
21:29 libsysguy        DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! NOT PROD READY!!!
21:30 libsysguy        a sound clip that plays: WARNING WARNING YOU ARE IN DANGER
21:30 jcamins_away     I'd prefer "USE" and "PRODUCTION"
21:30 jcamins_away     And a date.
21:33 * jcamins_away   calls it a day and heads home.
21:47 wizzyrea         lately it's like a party, and once the party animal leaves the party shuts down :)
21:49 drojf            and eventually i wake up on the couch, still too drunk to get home
21:50 drojf            thanks for drawing on my face with permanent marker. again.
21:51 wizzyrea         at least it was flowers this time.
21:52 drojf            instead of ducks ;)
21:54 wizzyrea         I think you should be grateful that it doesn't rhyme with socks.
21:54 wizzyrea         >.>
21:55 drojf            lol
21:55 eythian          people are prone to drawing piers on his face?
21:55 wizzyrea         :D
21:55 wizzyrea         or smooth bits of hard earth
21:57 drojf            »We are aiming to raise $350,000, to fully fund OpenLayers 3.0 in one shot.« for a javascript library? wow
21:59 jeff             huh. they already tried and failed to raise $20,000 a few months back.
22:00 drojf            yes i just saw that
22:00 jeff             where did you see the $350,000 figure?
22:00 jeff             oh, i see
22:01 drojf            http://www.openlayers.org/
22:01 jeff             on their main page -- yep
22:01 drojf            :)
22:16 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @anomalily: "@gsl_rhcl @kohails Thanks for the link!"
22:17 rambutan         does the little clock graph indicate they have raised $340,000 already?
22:20 rambutan         $334,000 obviously, now that I bother to read it.
22:33 drojf            oh. i did not see that because i block third party servers by default. they should do fundraising for koha
22:36 drojf            we could get several search rewrites for that kind of money :)
23:09 rangi            design by committee?
23:27 wahanui          that's about the best idea i have ever heard
23:28 bag              oh rangi - just got a text that ginny has started to tuck her knees under her - when doing tummy-time
23:28 bag              maybe we will have a crawler soon - that's worth 12.4 million IMO
23:28 bag              :P
23:28 wizzyrea         :)
23:28 bag              alright wahanui is pretty funny sometimes
23:28 rangi            heh
23:29 rangi            start putting things up higher :)
23:33 bag              :)  she loves my phone - so I usually put that on the ground a few feet from her - she's learned how to roll to get to it
23:33 rangi            excellent
23:41 dcook            Whoa...EOS International saw a lot of businesss in 2010 according to Library Journal.