Time  Nick          Message
00:00 drojf         good night #koha
00:08 dcook         After much poking around in Zebra, could anyone just tell me if it's possible to write a query that retrieves everything from a certain acquisition date to the present?
00:09 dcook         I see that Zebra can sort by acqdate, but I don't know what it's actually using...
00:10 dcook         As attribute 32 seems to refer to Date-of-acquisition which is MARC 541$d?
00:11 dcook         It looks like it uses publication date :S
00:11 dcook         At least when you query Zebra
00:11 jcamins       dcook: acquisition date and publication date are different.
00:12 dcook         I would hope so, but I don't see where the acquisition date is stored in the marc
00:12 jcamins       Acquisition date is 952$d.
00:12 dcook         Hmm
00:12 jcamins       Publication date is...
00:12 jcamins       008.
00:13 dcook         Intriguing...
00:13 dcook         So publication actually uses 008 and not 260$c?
00:13 dcook         That's probably a good thing
00:13 jcamins       And, yes, you can search by acquisition date newer than a certain value.
00:13 jcamins       pubdate,gt:1234
00:13 jcamins       Maybe.
00:13 dcook         O_o
00:13 dcook         You  mean acqdate?
00:14 jcamins       Yes, that's what I meant.
00:14 jcamins       I'm not sure that actually works.
00:14 jcamins       I usually use PQF.
00:14 jcamins       PQF works.
00:14 dcook         Hmm, I've  tried, but I'm getting nothing
00:14 dcook         PQF...that uses the Bib1 attributes?
00:15 jcamins       @attr 1=Date-of-acquisition @attr 2=4 @attr 4=4 "1234"
00:15 huginn        jcamins: downloading the Perl source
00:15 jcamins       I believe that will work.
00:15 dcook         In the OPAC or just in Yaz?
00:15 jcamins       (prefix pqf=
00:16 jcamins       In the OPAC you can use pqf=...
00:16 dcook         Oooh. :D
00:16 dcook         Hmm, get a failure in yaz
00:16 dcook         Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo 'Date-of-acquisition'
00:17 jcamins       Hm.
00:17 jcamins       Not sure why, and I'm not working on Koha things at the moment.
00:17 dcook         No worries
00:18 jcamins       You can try @attr 1=32
00:18 dcook         Thanks a lot for the pqf prefix insight and that Zebra uses 952$d
00:18 dcook         Mmm, good call
00:18 dcook         I imagine that'll work, since it works for the sort
00:18 dcook         Hmm, maybe not
00:19 dcook         Interesting..
00:19 wahanui       interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:20 dcook         When I try f @attr 1=32 "2008", it isn't looking at 952$d, it's definitely looking at 008 or 260$c
00:20 dcook         But yes, thanks again, jcamins. I really do appreciate the help :)
00:21 jcamins       It's probably a different attribute, then.
00:21 jcamins       It's the one identified as Date-of-acquisition in bib1.att.
00:22 dcook         That's 32 :/
00:22 dcook         Hmmm
00:22 dcook         There is also one for 8014, which is an Items Index
00:22 dcook         But it's commented out
00:23 dcook         It claims that it's handled by 1=32
00:24 jcamins       Hm.
00:24 dcook         There is an entry for Date-of-acquisition in record.abs next to melm 952$d though
00:26 dcook         Hmm..
00:26 dcook         Now I try it using 2012 instead of 2008, and it looks all right...
00:26 jcamins       Sounds like you have some bad data in 541$d
00:26 dcook         Ahh
00:26 dcook         Nope. Just me being an idiot.
00:26 dcook         Multiple 952s
00:26 dcook         In the 2008 example, most of them said 2012
00:27 dcook         But one said 2008 (as did the 008 and 260$c)
00:28 dcook         I should put up a post-it that says "check twice, then press enter"
00:29 dcook         One last question...
00:29 wahanui       it has been said that One last question... is it possible to get a log going all the way back to a specific commit?
00:29 dcook         ...
00:29 dcook         @attr 1=Date-of-acquisition @attr 2=4 @attr 4=4 "1234"\
00:29 huginn        dcook: I suck
00:30 dcook         4=4 is...year, greater than or equal
00:30 dcook         what's the 2=4 for?
00:31 jcamins       Greater than or equal
00:31 jcamins       4=4 is year
00:31 dcook         O_o
00:59 dcook         Ahh...I see now
01:00 dcook         How the Bib-1 attributes work that is
01:00 dcook         Not sure why 1=32 works when it is used on its own but is an unsupported use attribute when used with other attributes :S
01:00 bag           bag?
01:00 wahanui       I LIKE BASEBALL
01:00 bag           nice!
01:00 dcook         lol
01:01 bag           only 6 days until pitchers and catchers report for sprint training!
01:01 dcook         Is that in California or does everyone head south?
01:02 dcook         My sister is a baseball fan in Florida :p
01:02 bag           the two spots are Florida and Arizona for spring training
01:02 dcook         Mmm, that's what I was thinking
01:02 dcook         Who's your team?
01:02 bag           The New York Mets
01:03 bag           the mets - is supposed to stand for Metropolitans - but if you are a true fan - it really stands for My Entire Team Sucks :P
01:04 dcook         Hahaha. I don't follow much myself, but I imagine the Yankees cast a pretty big shadow
01:04 bag           yup they do
01:04 dcook         Although was there a big upset sometime in the past few years when the Mets beat the Yankees?
01:05 bag           yo hankbank
01:05 hankbank      yo bg
01:05 bag           hankbank: is another one in California
01:06 dcook         Ahh, hey hankbank
01:07 dcook         Lots of west coast folk
01:07 dcook         Well, I suppose I qualify as mid-west. I only lived on the coast for 2 years or so
01:08 * hankbank    'hank bank thinks of himself as a new englander'
01:09 bag           yeah I'm a new englander at heart
01:10 bag           welcome back edveal
01:10 edveal        Hello
01:12 dcook         jcamins: the issue was that 4=4 attribute. I'm thinking possibly because the 952$d is yyyy-mm-dd, but...not sure. Anyway, @attr 1=32 (or Date-of-acquisition) @attr 2=4 seems to work like a charm
01:12 dcook         jcamins++
01:12 jcamins       Oh, I guess it isn't a year.
01:13 dcook         *shrug* I guess not
01:20 dcook         As for the ccl.properties, I don't think it actually references the Bib-1 attributes for acqdate or pubdate
01:20 jcamins       I don't think so, no. Just Date-of-acquisition and pubdate.
01:21 dcook         ?
01:21 jcamins       The numeric attributes are unnecessary.
01:21 dcook         What I mean is...for title, it says : "Title 1=4 ti Title"
01:21 dcook         I figure that means "ti" or "Title" will be sent as 1=4
01:21 bag           jcamins are you not RM for 3.14?
01:22 jcamins       bag: I devoutly hope not.
01:22 dcook         But for Date of acquisition, it says: "Date-of-acquisition 1=Date-of-acquisition / acqdate Date-of-acquisition"
01:22 dcook         hehe
01:22 jcamins       dcook: that sounds right.
01:23 dcook         But shouldn't it say...
01:23 dcook         "Date-of-acquisition 1=32 / acqdate Date-of-acquisition"
01:23 bag           ahh I thought RM was a 2 release cycle these days
01:23 dcook         That would match the pattern of the others.
01:23 jcamins       bag: only if the RM runs for two terms.
01:23 bag           hmm anyone offer up for 3.14 yet?
01:23 jcamins       dcook: it doesn't matter whether the configuration uses the numeric attribute values or Zebra's native attributes.
01:24 jcamins       *native labels
01:24 jcamins       bag: nope.
01:24 dcook         Hmm, touché
01:24 bag           whoops
01:24 dcook         Well, in theory
01:24 bag           hmmm..  has that been brought up?
01:25 jcamins       The lack of any other candidates for RM?
01:25 jcamins       Nope.
01:27 jcamins       I was thinking of sending an e-mail.
01:28 jcamins       Unfortunately, I don't see much chance of anyone volunteering.
01:30 dcook         Personally, I don't know where you find the time, jcamins
01:30 dcook         Even if I had the ability, I wouldn't have the time
01:30 dcook         And surely you must be busier than I am
01:33 jcamins       dcook: neither do I!
01:40 dcook         On the plus side, I've figured out the ccl
01:40 jcamins       Yay!
01:41 dcook         It looks like "acqdate,ge:" will work
01:41 dcook         Although, if I'm not mistaken, the ccl.properties file looks like it might have the BIB1 relations slightly wrong
01:41 dcook         At least the one I have misses "gt" and then it screws up the mappings after that
01:42 * dcook       checks master
01:42 jcamins       I'd believe it.
01:42 jcamins       Our CCL configuration is not very usable.
01:42 dcook         Agreed. I'm tempted to write up a doco about it now that I have it all up in my head...
01:43 dcook         There is no way to search acqdate with the OPAC web form that I saw
01:43 dcook         The only way is using ccl, pqf, or whatever else we have through the search bar
01:44 dcook         P.S. Thanks again for that pqf prefix tip!
01:44 dcook         Yep, incorrect in master too
01:45 * dcook       goes off to work and be silent for a bit
01:47 dcook         Actually...while I remember...how many versions of Koha 3 will there be before it becomes Koha 4?
01:49 jcamins       It'll work better once the search rewrite has gotten in.
01:49 jcamins       An indefinite number.
01:49 jcamins       When an RM says "I want to call the next version 4.0," it will be 4.0.
01:49 jcamins       Or when there is an consensus that that we have reached 4.0.
01:50 dcook         Looking forward to the re-write :). What's the progress like on it?
01:50 wajasu        i suppose 9325 is resolved and on master.  is it in 10.2 or will it be in the next release?
01:50 jcamins       Waiting on QA for the first patch.
01:50 dcook         Mmm, fair enough. Thanks for the info.
01:50 jcamins       bug 9325
01:50 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9325 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, overdue notices sent same messages for all users.
01:51 jcamins       wajasu: yes, we reverted bug 8378.
01:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
01:51 alohabot      Hi mib_tm, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
01:52 mib_tm        Howdy y'al. I got a question.
01:53 mib_tm        How do I set Advance Notice to work in Koha 3.8?
01:53 wajasu        was teh 9352 part of the reverting, throwing out the fines syntax broken fix?  and do we still need to fix the fines syntax?
01:54 jcamins       Bug 9352 was caused by the patch for 8378.
01:54 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9352 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Zebra indexes useless subfields in UNIMARC 7XX
01:54 jcamins       9325, sorry.
01:54 jcamins       mib_tm: turn on EnhancedMessaging.
01:55 wajasu        so i guess fines syntax is still broken then.
01:58 jcamins       Then enable I guess.
01:58 jcamins       Whoops.
01:58 jcamins       I guess.
01:58 jcamins       mib_tm: then enable the advanced notices message.
02:03 mtj           peeps, do i need to turn on some syspref - to get patron images showing ?
02:04 mtj           i have sucessfully uploaded an image - and its sitting in the patron_image table, ready to go....
02:04 jcamins       mtj: you have to enable patron images.
02:04 jcamins       I think it's PatronImages or PatronCards.
02:05 mtj           perfect - thanks jcamins++
02:09 bag           heya mtj
02:09 bag           yup system pref
02:13 mtj           hey bags - man, i love it when its a pebcak error :p
02:13 dcook         Huh...apparently Zebra actually doesn't support all the Bib-1 attributes...
02:14 dcook         http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-rpn.html#querymodel-bib1-nonuse
02:15 dcook         So...no "not equal", "phonetic", or "stem" relations. That's cool...:@
02:16 jcamins       Uh.
02:16 jcamins       I didn't realize there was no not-equal.
02:16 jcamins       stem and phonetic I knew.
02:17 dcook         Is part of the re-write about that as well?
02:17 jcamins       No.
02:18 dcook         O_o
02:18 jcamins       I'm not rewriting Zebra, just the way Koha interfaces with it.
02:19 dcook         Right. I was wondering if you were going to try to handle stemming before the query got to Zebra somehow
02:19 jcamins       Not unless someone pays for it.
02:19 dcook         Like the "Multi-lingual stemming" part of your RFC
02:19 dcook         Mmm
02:19 jcamins       Right, but that's not funded.
02:20 dcook         Mmm
02:20 jcamins       And an optional additional feature.
02:22 jcamins       Unless that's a feature which you're interested in funding, in which case we can move it up to "part of the search rewrite" status, of course. ;)
02:23 dcook         Hehe
02:24 dcook         How I wish I had the money to sponsor Koha re-writes
02:25 * jcamins     too!
02:26 mib_tm        thanks jcamins for the tips. I think I got it now.
02:27 jcamins       mib_tm: good!
03:10 mtj           another random off-topic Q for the group…
03:10 mtj           anyone have any opinions about upgrading either lappys or servers to SSD drives?
03:11 jcamins       mtj: I do not, no.
03:11 wajasu        looking at the template toolkit templates.
03:11 wajasu        those Reerences at the bottom.  i guess they get substituted above.
03:12 jcamins       wajasu: what?
03:12 bag           I've got a SSD lappy
03:12 bag           it's been fine so far - althought it's a bit small
03:12 wajasu        ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/catalogue/detail.tt
03:13 mtj           ok, thanks jared - i think i might buy an SSD drive, as they are pretty cheap, for a smaller one
03:13 bag           we did some testing on putting mysql on a SSD attached to a server - but didn't notice any better I/O
03:14 jcamins       bag: aren't you supposed to not put databases on an SSD because there are too many rewrites?
03:14 bag           *testing*
03:14 jcamins       Ah.
03:14 jcamins       :)
03:14 bag           we were trying just to see
03:14 mtj           … i might google-about to see which ones to select/avoid
03:15 bag           hoping we could find some better I/O  - the VM's we are currently using just don't have enough
03:15 wajasu        when i look at the bottom of the template, i see enumerated references.  i guess those get substituted for the  [numbers] up above.
03:16 jcamins       wajasu: huh?
03:16 mtj           bag - yeah, i was thinking about running my dev xen.vm file from an SSD...
03:16 * wajasu      just learning how the template toolkit works.
03:16 jcamins       What's "[numbers]" mean?
03:17 wajasu        [9]    is and example
03:17 bag           yeah that should be fine mtj
03:17 jcamins       And you see that in the template file?
03:18 bag           we were looking for something to handle 2+ million circs
03:18 wajasu        i suppose th [9] gets replaced with the References enumeration at the bottom.
03:18 mtj           bag, hopefully an SSD will speed-up some git stuff, on big repos
03:19 bag           I think it will
03:19 jcamins       wajasu: http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/index.html
03:19 bag           plus they are so much less noisy
03:19 wajasu        i'm looking at   koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/catalogue/detail.tt
03:19 libsysguy     first they came for my dial up sounds and I said nothing
03:19 jcamins       libsysguy: hehe.
03:20 libsysguy     then they came for my HDD noise, and I said nothing
03:20 jcamins       wajasu: I just looked at the file, and I see nothing like [9]
03:20 bag           heh
03:20 jcamins       Nor anything that says "References".
03:20 bag           heya libsysguy
03:20 wahanui       libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
03:20 libsysguy     hey bag
03:22 wajasu        wierd detail.tt looks different depending on if I use vi vs less.
03:23 wajasu        i was using less
03:23 wajasu        maybe my less is interpreting tt stuff.
03:24 wajasu        or the pager in my system
03:27 wajasu        i am looking at the author  By  link and its hardcoded with: /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=au:[% author |url %]    so i think we need something here to change that link in case UseAuthsWithTracings syspref is enabled.
03:30 jcamins       dcook: are there any instances you can think of where you would want to use greater than/less than for something other than dates?
03:31 dcook         Not off the top of my head
03:31 jcamins       I couldn't think of any, either.
03:31 dcook         Maybe call numbers, although I wonder how well that works
03:32 dcook         Maybe local codes of some kind
03:32 dcook         Mmm, price
03:32 dcook         Although that's unlikely, I would think
03:33 dcook         barcode
03:33 dcook         I'll stop there, lol. I figure date is the most useful.
03:33 dcook         Hmm..
03:33 dcook         Possibly typo in bib1.att...
03:33 jcamins       What typo?
03:33 dcook         line 263
03:33 dcook         llength
03:33 dcook         att 9905
03:33 jcamins       No, that's right.
03:34 dcook         Sweet. I just noticed it out of the corner of my eye
03:34 dcook         I've tried some of the examples from http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/searchguide.html
03:34 dcook         But I can't get > or < to work, although maybe I'm mis-reading the examples
03:37 jcamins       I'm not sure it works.
03:37 jcamins       I never tried it.
03:37 dcook         Makes me wonder how many frustrated librarians they've been or if it's just not that common
03:38 * jcamins     doesn't know why that would be in the manual.
03:38 jcamins       Seems pretty wrong.
03:38 dcook         My thoughts exactly
03:39 dcook         It not working precipitated all my earlier questions/investigations
03:40 dcook         How does one edit the manual?
03:40 jcamins       You can submit a patch to the kohadocs git repo.
03:40 dcook         Mmm, there it is
03:41 dcook         It's so seldom that I look at the git from the top level
03:42 dcook         So much documentation, so little time
07:02 * magnuse     waves
07:10 * cait        waves
07:10 magnuse       \o/
07:15 magnuse       shame on me for no signoffs in december
07:20 cait          december?
07:20 wahanui       i heard december was ok .. some years
07:23 magnuse       heh
07:23 magnuse       cait: just saw some stats from rangi
07:23 cait          aah
07:24 cait          there is always another month :)
07:25 magnuse       yeah
07:26 magnuse       well, i'll probably not be able to contribute much this spring, except for during the hackfest
07:26 magnuse       i have high hopes of better times ahead, though :-)
07:27 cait          )
07:27 cait          :)
07:27 cait          I hope that once I have finished my current distance study course I will have more time too
07:27 magnuse       yay
07:27 cait          there was not a lot of time between the first 2 exam dates this year
07:27 cait          so it's quite stressful
07:28 cait          but it should be a bit better after that
07:30 magnuse       nice
07:31 magnuse       bonjour sophie_m
07:31 magnuse       @wunder marseille
07:31 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse       ooh chilly!
07:32 sophie_m      bonjour magnuse :-)
07:32 magnuse       @wunder boo
07:32 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse       @wunder konstanz
07:32 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.7°C (8:25 AM CET on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse       @wunder kautokeino
07:32 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -9.0°C (7:00 AM CET on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
07:32 magnuse       pft
07:32 sophie_m      magnuse : it will become warmer, the sun is here :-)
07:32 magnuse       yay
07:32 magnuse       it is here too, finally! :-)
07:33 sophie_m      great !
07:33 magnuse       i'm hoping for some nice spring weather in marseille at the end of march :-)
07:34 cait          me too :)
07:34 cait          bbl!
07:45 reiveune      hello
07:45 wahanui       hola, reiveune
07:56 magnuse       hiya Irma and reiveune
08:19 magnuse       hiya lds and kf
08:19 lds           hi magnuse
08:24 * kf          waves again
08:30 magnuse       \o/
08:35 skk           Need a help in excel to marc conversion. If the excel file has same titles with additional copies hw to attach those multiple items to single record. is it possible while importing that mrc file in koha or in marcedit it can be first done.
09:10 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
09:10 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.5°C (9:43 AM CET on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
09:10 drojf         good morning #koha
09:11 magnuse       kia ora drojf
09:11 drojf         hei magnuse
09:13 skk           i am converting data from excel to marc using marcedit. need to know how to import multiple items with single bibliographic records is there a way in MARCEDIT or koha marc import while importing records match bibliographic record and then only attach item to it
09:13 skk           i have 30777 excel data which is imported into marc but wanted to know how can i attach multiple copies to single record while importing data into koha
09:14 drojf         add multiple 952 fields
09:14 drojf         if i understand you correctly
09:14 skk           means
09:14 skk           i have a excel sheet where i mapped each column and converted a marc file
09:15 skk           i would like to now check whether while importing records into koha is there any way by which i can attach multiple items to single biblio
09:15 drojf         are the multiple items part of your data?
09:15 skk           yes
09:16 drojf         then you need to create a 952 field for each of the items. i don't know how that works in marcedit. 952 is the field koha uses for item data at import level, with info like barcode and call number. what do you do with the itenm data so far?
09:17 skk           right i added item details in 952 tag only but wondering how i can attach these single records to a common biblio
09:18 drojf         i don't know how marcedit works. in general, the 952 fields for each item need to be added to the record data of the respective record
09:19 drojf         if they are seperate in your data, how are they connected? in excel i mean
09:20 skk           my excel has title, author, accnumber, call number, branchname, itemtype while converiting excel to marc i mapped each field with marctag
09:22 kf            mornign paul_p and drojf++ :)
09:23 paul_p        mornign kf ;-)
09:24 drojf         morning kf an paul_p
09:34 kf            meh
09:34 kf            3.6.10 stopped logging fines
09:34 drojf         are you still not on 3.8?
09:34 kf            while 3.6.3 still did
09:35 kf            no, on 3.6.10, preparing update to 3.10
09:35 drojf         oh. i thought you upgraded to 3.8 not too long ago
09:38 kf            ah no
09:39 kf            i wastoo worried about hourly loans
09:39 kf            and the problems we had around that
09:40 drojf         ah i see
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10:17 drojf         @later tell rangi they have rebuilt koha with indexeddb ;) http://mdn.mozillademos.org/en-US/docs/IndexedDB/Using_IndexedDB$samples/Full_IndexedDB_example?revision=342953
10:17 huginn        drojf: The operation succeeded.
12:52 H             Hey koha
12:53 H             Are there anny search parameters u can use in koha a % or something if you dont know the total word
12:54 jcamins_away  H: ?
12:54 jcamins_away  H: that is, use a question mark. :)
12:54 H             ah
12:54 jcamins_away  Or turn on QueryAutoTruncate.
12:55 H             what was that last tip ?
12:55 jcamins       It's a syspref.
12:56 jcamins       QueryAutoTruncate tells Zebra to automatically treat every word as left-anchored.
12:56 H             f?sh did not work for fish
12:56 kf            aah
12:57 kf            wildcards?
12:57 H             :)
12:57 H             ye
12:57 H             ye my english sometimes i know
12:57 * kf          looks at jcamins and waits for 'search rewrite' :P
12:57 jcamins       kf: no, I'm not fixing that.
12:57 kf            oooh
12:57 jcamins       Wildcards in the middle of the word do not work.
12:57 H             lol oeps i did bring up the wrong subject
12:58 kf            H no, not at all :)
12:58 jcamins       I'm rewriting search.
12:58 jcamins       However, adding wildcard searching is something which would be incredibly expensive with very little benefit.
12:58 kf            H: I was not aware that we can do that now and thougth jcamins will know and if it does not work currently, he might know how to make it work :)
12:59 H             ok but the ? at the end would work then ill test it sec
13:00 H             ah it does not
13:00 jcamins       In that case you probably have AutoTruncate turned on already.
13:02 H             well i'm happy with the result but its a question we probably gonna aget as we will do a demo for our institution so i asked here
13:13 * Oak_        waves
13:13 kf            hi Oak
13:19 oleonard      Hi #koha
13:21 kf            hi oleonard
13:21 kf            :)
13:22 libsysguy     oleonard!
13:22 wahanui       i think oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
13:22 libsysguy     how is the bootstrap working coming?
13:22 oleonard      Going very well. The YUI menu to Bootstrap conversion is a piece of cake
13:22 libsysguy     excellent
13:23 libsysguy     is the next order of business the underlying element structure?
13:23 libsysguy     :p
13:23 oleonard      ?
13:24 libsysguy     actually I am probably wrong on what I am thinking, but when I first started I was frustrated by the page layout (not that it can't be changed with css etc)
13:24 oleonard      What page layout? The Bootstrap grid?
13:25 libsysguy     probably YUI
13:25 oleonard      Oh I see. Well converting all staff client templates to Bootstrap grids (or even some other grid) is certainly possible, but not a priority for me.
13:26 libsysguy     that seems like quit a bit of work for very little return
13:27 jcamins       You know what I'd like from Bootstrap?
13:27 oleonard      A pony?
13:27 wahanui       http://uber.geek.nz/pony.jpg
13:27 jcamins       I'd like a keyboard-only cataloging module.
13:27 oleonard      I'm sure they're working on that jcamins
13:27 libsysguy     they?
13:27 jcamins       oleonard: where "they" is libsysguy. :P
13:28 kf            jcamins: deleteditems has a timestamp!
13:28 jcamins       Yay!
13:28 libsysguy     jcamins you're not supposed to tell people that I have secretly been bitching about the cataloging framwork
13:28 jcamins       It's not that secret once you share a patch.
13:28 kf            jcamins: I think deletedborrowers might have been the one without...
13:28 * kf          has to do research
13:35 jenkins_koha  Starting build #16 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
13:35 jenkins_koha  Starting build #278 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 14 days ago)
13:35 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #16: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/16/
13:35 jenkins_koha  nengard: update transport cost matrix info
13:35 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs build #278: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/278/
13:35 jenkins_koha  nengard: update transport cost matrix info
13:37 oleonard      Any UNIMARC people around? I'd love for someone to look at Bug 8278
13:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin
13:38 oleonard      (speaking of YUI)
13:41 libsysguy     can jenkins do deb builds?
13:41 jcamins       Jenkins does build the packages, yes.
13:41 jcamins       !jenkins start Master_Packages now
13:41 jenkins_koha  jcamins did you mean me? Unknown command 'start'
13:41 jenkins_koha  Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
13:41 jcamins       !jenkins help
13:41 jenkins_koha  Available commands:
13:41 jenkins_koha  abort <job> - specify which job to abort
13:41 jenkins_koha  alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases
13:41 jenkins_koha  botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom
13:41 jenkins_koha  build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
13:41 jenkins_koha  cb - list jobs which are currently in progress
13:41 jenkins_koha  comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build
13:41 jenkins_koha  currentlyBuilding - list jobs which are currently in progress
13:41 jenkins_koha  h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
13:42 jenkins_koha  health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
13:42 jenkins_koha  jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
13:42 jenkins_koha  q - show the state of the build queue
13:42 jenkins_koha  queue - show the state of the build queue
13:42 jenkins_koha  s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
13:42 jenkins_koha  schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
13:42 jenkins_koha  status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
13:42 jenkins_koha  testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
13:42 jenkins_koha  userstat <username> - prints information about a Jenkins user
13:42 jcamins       !jenkins build Master_Packages now
13:42 jenkins_koha  jcamins: job Master_Packages build scheduled now
13:42 libsysguy     would there be a way to keep he old packages?
13:42 libsysguy     the**
13:42 jcamins       It would require another jenkins slave with more disk space, I think.
13:43 jcamins       And I'm not sure why you would want to.
13:43 libsysguy     don't we just release the most stable package?
13:44 jcamins       We release signed packages based on release versions.
13:45 libsysguy     oh so there are packages for 3.8.2 3.8.3 etc etc
13:46 jcamins       I think right now we have the apt repo set up to remove unreferenced packages.
14:22 oleonard      gmcharlt++ # for testing patches
14:23 kf            gmcharlt++
14:41 * oleonard    almost ruins his day by forgetting he turned off AllowOnShelfHolds for testing
15:11 oleonard      Bug 9529 is a dumb typo bug I introduced, so I would be grateful for a signoff
15:11 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9529 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section
15:27 Rob_synd_dev  Hello
15:28 oleonard      Hi Rob_synd_dev
15:28 Rob_synd_dev  I'm a consultant working on the Syndetics project for Bowker.  One of our clients is using Koha and not getting some Syndetics images because the EAN field (024 field with ind1=3) in MARC records is not being used when ISBN is present.  The EAN can be used in place of the ISBN in a Syndetics image request (such as isbn=9999999999999/lc.jpg).
15:28 Rob_synd_dev  What would be involved in getting Koha changed to support using EANs in image request?
15:29 Rob_synd_dev  Should be "when NO ISBN is present"
15:29 oleonard      Rob_synd_dev: Our bug tracker is here: http://bugs.koha-community.org
15:29 oleonard      The first step would be to file a bug with a detailed description of the problem.
15:30 oleonard      Rob_synd_dev: Are you guys willing and able to submit a patch, or are you looking for someone else to make the change?
15:32 Rob_synd_dev  I'm not familiar with the project.  What programming language is it in?  I could ask for approval but I was wondering if someone else could make the change.
15:34 oleonard      Perl
15:34 oleonard      It might be something one of the support companies would be interested in picking up if they have customers who use Syndetics
15:35 oleonard      Or of course they could be convinced to do it for hire
15:35 * jcamins     doesn't have any clients using Syndetics at the moment. ByWater or Equinox might.
15:35 nengard       We do
15:36 nengard       but we have plenty of devs in the oven right now ;) so I
15:36 nengard       am not volunteering :)
15:36 nengard       expecially since I'm not a dev :)
15:36 jcamins       nengard: this could be your breakaway opportunity!
15:36 nengard       HA
15:36 nengard       pleny on my plate thank you
15:40 Rob_synd_dev1 Just got kicked off.  So I'll log the lack of Syndetics EAN support as a bug.
15:40 jcamins       Rob_synd_dev1: so, to make a long answer short: it sounds like no one will be implementing the changed Syndetics covers retrieval gratis.
15:40 kf            logs?
15:40 wahanui       logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
15:41 jcamins       (okay, that wasn't actually very long, but I wasn't sure if you had missed the responses)
15:41 Rob_synd_dev1 I see, good to know.  Thanks.
15:42 jcamins       I/my company -- and a number of other companies/individuals -- will do developments for hire, of course, if you prefer to go that route.
15:42 kf            Rob_synd_dev1: it needs someone interested enough to pay for it or do it themselves, you could hire someone or provide a patch
15:42 jcamins       And we're always happy to help new developers through the process.
15:42 kf            ah right, jcamins can phraseit better :)
15:42 nengard       new developers++ :)
15:42 kf            but I think having the information on bugzilla on how your api works would be cool - so it would be known that it can be improved
15:42 jcamins       We prefer the last option, of course, but recognize that some people don't want to write patches for Koha.
15:43 jcamins       (even if we find it inexplicable!:)
15:43 Rob_synd_dev1 OK I'll add it to bugzilla
16:12 gmcharlt      oleonard: while testing and signing off on your patch for bug 9529, I came across bug 9556; care to trade testing?
16:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9529 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section
16:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9556 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Changing patron category does not fully update patron messaging preferences
16:12 oleonard      Sure gmcharlt
16:13 gmcharlt      thanks
16:24 drojf         good evening #koha
16:26 rambutan      greetings
16:26 drojf         hi rambutan
16:31 devap         I need some help -- having trouble with a data migration (and upgrade)…
16:31 devap         koha vers:
16:31 devap         http://library.ochs.org.uk/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=kenneth
16:31 devap         koha vers:
16:31 devap         http://koha.ochs.org.uk/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=kenneth
16:32 jcamins       What is the problem, and what have you tried so far?
16:32 jcamins       (the first site does not load)
16:32 drojf         devap: it is helpful to form a question
16:32 devap         I managed to get the new version (3.10.02) running with nginx/uwsgi
16:32 drojf         jcamins is always faster
16:32 devap         The link to the first site returns results
16:32 devap         the second does not
16:33 drojf         the link to the first does not do anything
16:33 devap         database migrated, ran update script, no errors
16:33 jcamins       Did you reindex?
16:33 devap         hmmm -- thought so. lemme confirm...
16:33 jcamins       And is Zebra running?
16:34 jcamins       Most likely the problem is permissions on the Zebra files, if the answer to both those questions is "yes."
16:34 jcamins       faq?
16:34 wahanui       i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
16:34 jcamins       ^^ last question
16:36 devap         zebra running = yes
16:36 devap         reindexed = ues
16:36 devap         I'll check perms
16:36 jcamins       What's uwsgi, BTW?
16:36 oleonard      Would the logs show permissions errors?
16:37 jcamins       oleonard: nope.
16:37 libsysguy     http://projects.unbit.it/uwsgi/ jcamins
16:37 jcamins       libsysguy: yeah, I just skimmed that.
16:37 jcamins       And having skimmed it, I still haven't the faintest idea why I'd want it.
16:37 libsysguy     for distributed systems?
16:38 jcamins       Sure, I see that in the first sentence.
16:38 libsysguy     not really sure why you'd want it for Koha
16:38 kf            bye all have a nice evening :)
16:38 jcamins       But I also use a database for distributed systems, so I am none the wiser.
16:39 libsysguy     perhaps when devap gets back he can enlighten us
16:39 * jcamins     hopes so. :)
16:40 devap         mainly because I'm already using it for django/python apps, and it is much faster than my previous apache/mod_perl setup
16:40 libsysguy     perhaps uWSGI is a fcgi server and devap has elected to use in in place of something like starman?
16:40 devap         Since I already had uwsgi running, and had trouble getting starman running...
16:41 libsysguy     ah
16:41 jcamins       Okay, so uWSGI ~~ Starman.
16:41 jcamins       Thanks.
16:41 libsysguy     yeah
16:41 libsysguy     okay
16:41 devap         yes
16:41 libsysguy     so what was the root problem again?
16:42 jcamins       Okay, in that case we can almost certainly narrow the problem down to Zebra.
16:42 devap         But the same (no results) occurs behind apache/mod_perl : http://koha.ochs.org.uk:81/
16:42 jcamins       I'm surprised it worked with mod_perl.
16:42 devap         (port 80 = nginx/uwsgi, port 81 = apache2/mod_perl)
16:42 jcamins       I mean, I'm surprised that Koha worked at all with mod_perl.
16:42 libsysguy     ^^
16:43 devap         problem is no results returned
16:44 libsysguy     okay so it definitely sounds like a zebra issue, like jcamins said
16:44 libsysguy     and you said you see zebra running in a ps aux?
16:44 jcamins       You worked through the final faq?
16:44 libsysguy     that too
16:45 drojf         that warm, fuzzy feeling when patches that i signed off on yesterday already got qa'ed
16:45 jcamins       :)
16:45 jcamins       Guess that means I have things to push.
16:45 devap         yes - ps -aux shows zebra running
16:46 jcamins       Nice! Two Plack patches, ...
16:46 jcamins       wait.
16:46 jcamins       I haven't received any e-mail from koha-bugs.
16:46 jcamins       Or any other list.
16:46 jcamins       Has anyone else?
16:46 drojf         that's odd
16:46 drojf         i have
16:46 * oleonard    too
16:46 libsysguy     plack patches you say?
16:46 jcamins       Passed QA.
16:46 wahanui       passed qa is, like, the queue paul should watch
16:47 libsysguy     Passed QA?
16:47 wahanui       Passed QA is the queue paul should watch
16:47 libsysguy     i guess punctuation doesn't matter much
16:47 gmcharlt      wahanui: forget Passed QA
16:47 wahanui       gmcharlt: I forgot passed qa
16:47 gmcharlt      Passed QA is the queue jcamins should watch
16:48 libsysguy     wahanui Passed QA is the queue jcamins should watch
16:48 wahanui       i already had it that way, libsysguy.
16:48 libsysguy     fine then
16:48 libsysguy     passed QA?
16:48 wahanui       passed QA is the queue jcamins should watch
16:48 devap         jcamins -- will go through FAQ to make sure I didn't miss something.
17:03 * jcamins     fixes his e-mail problem.
17:03 jcamins       My registrar wasn't sending NS records with its responses.
17:04 jcamins       I haven't a clue why, but re-entering the MX records fixed it.
17:06 drojf         jcamins: windows xp server with kaspersky somewhere on your registrar's side? ;)
17:07 jcamins       drojf: lol
17:07 jcamins       Actually, that's probably a good explanation.
17:08 jcamins       I know my pleasantly interruption-free day had to be a fluke.
17:08 drojf         :)
17:26 skk           need help on excel to marc data conversion. if excel sheet has multiple same titles while importing data into marc how to attach same items to single biblio
17:28 jcamins       skk: you'll need to put each of the items into a 952.
17:28 jcamins       migration toolbox?
17:28 wahanui       i heard migration toolbox was https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
17:28 jcamins       ^^ the by_others/csvtomarc.pl script may help with that.
17:32 skk           i dont see csvtomarc on abv site and hw to use it
17:32 jcamins       skk: it doesn't really come with documentation.
17:33 skk           is there any link which will give clue hw to get this done
17:34 drojf         have you ditched marcedit?
17:34 jcamins       Nothing that I know of.
17:34 jcamins       It may be possible with marcedit, too.
17:34 jcamins       But I have no idea.
17:34 jcamins       I don't use Marcedit.
17:34 jcamins       devap: do searches work in the staff client?
17:34 skk           i tried marcedit but dont knw hw to join multiple items with one bib record
17:35 drojf         how do you get the other fields in there?
17:39 devap         jcamins: no
17:39 jcamins       devap: did I ask you what version of Koha?
17:39 jcamins       Oh, 3.10.2.
17:40 devap         yep -
17:41 jcamins       devap: let's try a search with yaz.
17:42 jcamins       devap: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Search_Info
17:42 jcamins       We're going to log in using the yaz-client command from the second page.
17:43 devap         k
17:43 jcamins       Actually, you can use the exact commands on the second page.
17:44 jcamins       Oh, and, obviously, change the paths to match where your bibliosocket is. :)
17:45 drojf         aaaw, patches pushed to master. they grow up so fast
17:46 jcamins       Hehe.
18:00 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9421' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=855fde154cca3f9caa3c8a736a41b4626f4badb3> / Bug 9421: tools/picture-upload.pl not Plack-compatible <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75703cf6041aa83fe0decb0343856d745aa998d2> / Merge branch 'bug_9432' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe14e6a
18:05 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1037 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
18:12 * drojf       yawns
18:23 devap         jcamins: Connecting...error = System (lower-layer) error: Connection refused
18:23 jcamins       devap: okay, Zebra isn't running for real then.
18:23 jcamins       Kill it and try restarting it.
18:24 devap         1009     32752 32751  1 13:21 ?        00:00:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/ochs/koha-conf.xml
18:24 jcamins       You used packages?
18:24 devap         apt-get install koha-common
18:24 jcamins       Excellent.
18:24 devap         was that a bad thing to do?
18:24 jcamins       Nope.
18:25 jcamins       Packages are best.
18:25 devap         whew
18:25 devap         that's what I thot
18:25 jcamins       `sudo service koha-common restart`
18:25 devap         % (as root) service koha-common restart
18:25 devap         * Restarting Koha ILS koha-common
18:25 devap         Stopping Zebra server for ochs
18:25 devap         Starting Zebra server for ochs
18:25 devap         ...done.
18:25 jcamins       Looks good. Try again with yaz-client.
18:26 devap         Connecting...error = System (lower-layer) error: Connection refused
18:26 jcamins       If you still get an error, try sudo -u ochs-koha yaz-client...
18:27 devap         % sudo -u ochs-koha yaz-client -c /etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties localhost:9999/biblios
18:27 devap         Connecting...error = System (lower-layer) error: Connection refused
18:28 jcamins       Oh, I see. Instead of the localhost:9999 use unix:/var/run/koha/ochs/zebradb/bibliosocket (check that path)
18:28 devap         ps -ef | grep zebra:
18:28 devap         1009       315     1  0 13:22 ?        00:00:00 daemon --name=ochs-koha-zebra --errlog=/var/log/koha/ochs/zebra-error.log --stdout=/var/log/koha/ochs/zebra.log --output=/var/log/koha/ochs/zebra-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=ochs-koha.ochs-koha -- zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/ochs/koha-conf.xml
18:28 devap         1009       316   315  0 13:22 ?        00:00:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/ochs/koha-conf.xml
18:28 devap         ah
18:28 devap         socket, not port - got it.
18:30 devap         ochs-koha@www1:/etc/koha/sites/ochs$ yaz-client -c /etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties unix:/var/run/koha/ochs/bibliosocket
18:30 devap         Connecting...OK.
18:30 devap         Sent initrequest.
18:30 devap         Connection accepted by v3 target.
18:30 devap         ID     : 81
18:30 devap         Name   : Zebra Information Server/GFS/YAZ
18:30 devap         Version: 2.0.54/4.2.50 1d3113509304fb324a0a48a1731a4d88e14fb2d2
18:30 devap         Options: search present delSet triggerResourceCtrl scan sort extendedServices namedResultSets
18:30 jcamins       You can use paste.koha-community.org.
18:30 devap         Elapsed: 0.004546
18:30 devap         Z>
18:30 jcamins       Now try "base biblios"
18:31 jcamins       Then "f smith" (or replace "smith" with a term that will have results)
18:31 devap         will use paste -- sorry :-(
18:32 pastebot      "devap" at pasted "search results" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/381
18:32 jcamins       Okay, it's a Zebra-side issue.
18:33 jcamins       `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v -v ochs`
18:42 devap         done
18:42 devap         do I need to restart/reconnect the yaz-client?
18:43 devap         or restart koha-common ?
18:43 jcamins       I'd do both to be on the safe side.
18:43 devap         sorry -- I'm a koha-less sysadmin...
18:47 pastebot      "devap" at pasted "search results" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/382
18:48 pastebot      "devap" at pasted "search results" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/383
18:48 devap         on old system I get:
18:48 devap         (above)
18:48 devap         17 hits
18:49 jcamins       Hrm.
18:50 jcamins       Did you get any output from the koha-rebuild-zebra command?
18:50 devap         no
18:50 devap         wait -- yes I did
18:51 devap         one sec...
18:51 jcamins       Could you paste that in?
18:51 jcamins       (to paste.koha-community.org)
19:06 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  “Did you mean?” in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/amN6B8kT"
19:10 drojf         jcamins: could bug 9451 only show up with starman? i think we had something like that before (and i should probably try to use starman some day)
19:10 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9451 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , borrower_stats.pl gives off warnings and is not Plack-compatible
19:11 jcamins       That's possible.
19:13 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1037: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1037/
19:13 jenkins_koha  * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9432: Plack changes for acqui/addorderiso2409.pl
19:13 jenkins_koha  * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9421: tools/picture-upload.pl not Plack-compatible
19:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9432 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , acqui/addorderiso2409.pl is not Plack-friendly
19:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9421 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , tools/picture-upload.pl not Plack-compatible
19:22 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "“Did you mean?” in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/3g1KeI56 #kohails"
19:22 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "Sip! :) RT @kohails: #kohails  「Did you mean?」 in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/JMhZpoFK"
19:23 jcamins       I found a bug in my release-tool script.
19:23 drojf         [off] sir, i received a message telling me exactly what i have to do to get rid of the message. what do i have to do?
19:23 jcamins       This is good, because it explains why I haven't been able to build a package in my regular repo.
19:24 drojf         yay
19:25 devap         jcamins: Here's the output from the rebuild_zebra:
19:25 pastebot      "devap" at pasted "search results" (168 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/384
19:26 jcamins       Odd. That looks right.
19:26 devap         lemme restart again...
19:29 devap         nope -- still 0 hits...
19:29 devap         :-(
19:30 jcamins       Okay, this is a weird one.
19:36 jenkins_koha  Starting build #59 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:36 jcamins       Morning, rangi.
19:37 rangi         morning
19:37 drojf         morning rangi
19:38 drojf         don't read the mozilla mail
19:38 rangi         hmm?
19:38 jcamins       Huh?
19:38 rangi         the later you left?
19:38 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @normnz: "Today I want to think about integration between #kohails and @figshare @paul_poulain"
19:38 drojf         the one saying dev phones in march :D
19:39 rangi         ahhh
19:39 drojf         or maybe that is just for berlin
19:40 rangi         i dont think i got a mail
19:41 drojf         that may be a good thing
19:41 jcamins       Right. This is why you don't build packages from a repo with non-git-controlled detritus.
19:42 rangi         ah yeah
19:42 rangi         git clean -d -f
19:42 jcamins       You end up with a bunch of tests failing because they're unit tests for files that don't exist.
19:42 rangi         *nod*
19:46 * jcamins     gives it another go.
19:51 kohdog        Hello, I am looking for help with a simple setting that causes patrons to incur a $5 charge upon each checkout--koha 3.8 on ubuntu 12.04
19:51 cait          kohdog: check administration > itemtypes
19:51 jcamins       kohdog: if you go to Adminstration->Item types, you should change the fee on each item type to 0.
19:52 cait          this time I was faster :)
19:53 kohdog        sweet, thanks
19:56 jcamins       rangi: any idea how to add a file to the packages?
19:57 jcamins       I created etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml, and the build is exploding.
19:57 rangi         koha-common.dirs i think
19:57 rangi         cos its not a new file, its a whole new dir
19:58 jcamins       Cool, thanks.
19:58 rangi         maybe rules too
20:12 jcamins       Definitely something in addition to koha-common.dirs, but I can't figure out what to put in rules.
20:12 rangi         eythian will know when he is about
20:12 cait          fighting with my qa comments?
20:13 jcamins       cait: yeah.
20:13 jcamins       Actually, I got the tarball all fixed up.
20:13 jcamins       rangi: will he be in today?
20:16 rangi         yep
20:16 jcamins       Yay!
20:16 * jcamins     will wait and stop making random changes.
20:17 chris_n       random changes? ouch!
20:17 jcamins       Not quite random.
20:19 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.10.x build #59: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/59/
20:19 jenkins_koha  * colin.campbell: Bug 9503 Correct name of parameter passed to parcel.pl
20:19 jenkins_koha  * jonathan.druart: Bug 9503: Followup remove unused parameters passed to parcel.pl
20:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9503 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Link from histsearch via invoicenumber results in error
20:19 jenkins_koha  Starting build #267 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:21 jcamins       Wait... I see. In my attempts to find koha-common.dirs I broke something else.
20:26 jcamins       drojf: oh official meeting reminder-er! Apparently we have a meeting tonight?
20:26 rangi         yep
20:28 jcamins       drojf: good news, someone else took care of it.
20:32 cait          in how many hours?
20:32 jcamins       Many.
20:32 jcamins       5.5.
20:32 jcamins       Too late for you.
20:32 cait          or too early.... depends
20:34 drojf         i only remind for meetings i remember :)
20:35 drojf         and i tend to forget those at that uneuropean time
20:36 jcamins       I wouldn't have remembered except bag asked me about adding "Roles for 3.14" to the agenda.
20:36 jcamins       I think he has done so.
20:37 rangi         that was me
20:37 jcamins       Oh, you did.
20:37 jcamins       Well, as long as someone did.
20:37 jcamins       :)
20:37 rambutan      huggin: meeting?
20:37 wahanui       well, meeting is at 6, so I need to leave in about two and a half hours.
20:38 jcamins       lol
20:38 rambutan      well, ok then
20:38 jcamins       rambutan: 9pm EST.
20:38 jcamins       8pm your time, maybe?
20:38 rambutan      yep
20:39 cait          wow early
20:39 cait          for the roles
20:39 jcamins       cait: not really. We're half-way through the cycle already.
20:39 cait          oh right
20:40 bag           maybe discuss and then vote next meeting?
20:40 cait          time runs so fast
20:40 eythian       hi
20:40 jcamins       bag: yeah, definitely no vote this meeting.
20:40 bag           or sometimes soo soo slow :P
20:40 cait          can't remember it being slow... in a loooong looong time
20:40 jcamins       We'd need to have had proposals that were publicly discussed.
20:40 cait          maybe I can't remember being it slow at all *scratches her head*
20:40 jcamins       Okay, now I have a problem... queryparser.yaml isn't getting installed by the tarball either.
20:40 cait          maybe even give it 2 meetings?
20:40 jcamins       What happened to it?
20:41 eythian       jcamins: koha-common.dirs should sort it out for you
20:41 jcamins       eythian: except that I broke it and now it's not installed by the tarball either.
20:41 eythian       jcamins: oh, actually, koha-common.install
20:41 eythian       yeah, that won't help any :)
20:43 jcamins       Wait...
20:43 jcamins       I'm just building a package from the master branch over and over and over and...
20:44 jcamins       Let's try this again.
20:50 * cait        crosses fingers
20:50 * chris_n     successfully concludes a multi-hour bad syntax hunt by adding a missing hyphen... :-P
20:51 jcamins       chris_n: ditto, actually.
20:52 jcamins       Okay... this doesn't quite work.
20:53 * jcamins     will have to think about it a bit.
20:56 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #267: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/267/
20:56 jenkins_koha  * mirko: Bug 9201 OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
20:56 jenkins_koha  * kyle: Bug 9509 - batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique
20:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9201 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
20:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9509 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique
20:56 jenkins_koha  Starting build #60 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:26 drojf         you know you are doing weird things when every search result you get is from stackoverflow
21:31 cait          heh
21:32 * wizzyrea    desperately tries to remember what it was she was working on two days ago
21:33 * wizzyrea    worries she killed that brain cell
21:33 cait          it will be fine
21:34 cait          :)
21:34 cait          you got more than enough left
21:36 wizzyrea      hehe
21:37 * cait        is not so sure about herself :)
21:37 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.10.x build #60: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/60/
21:37 jenkins_koha  * mirko: Bug 9201 OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
21:37 jenkins_koha  * kyle: Bug 9509 - batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique
21:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9201 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
21:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9509 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique
21:45 * magnuse     wishes #koha a good meeting and wanders off to bed
21:53 cjh           magnuse: thanks for the reminder :)
22:29 datadoctor    just stumbled upon a weird bug after updating from v3.5 to v3.10 related to the insecure system preference
22:29 datadoctor    http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9562
22:29 huginn        04Bug 9562: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , System preference 'insecure' shows wrong value after update to v3.10
22:29 datadoctor    I
22:29 jcamins       Yeah, I'm just reading that.
22:30 jcamins       I'm not sure how the value "no" could have gotten in there.
22:30 datadoctor    Wow - that must be some legacy data.
22:30 jcamins       Oh, darn.
22:31 dcook         Morning/evening #koha
22:31 datadoctor    Probably most folks won't encounter that. We always get weird stuff because we were early adopters.
22:31 jcamins       My gpg-agent appears to have committed sepuku.
22:31 jcamins       Apologies for the spelling.
22:32 datadoctor    How's your day going jcamins?
22:32 datadoctor    I'm about ready to call it quits.
22:32 jcamins       datadoctor: actually, my morning was great.
22:32 jcamins       My e-mail was down and I didn't notice.
22:33 jcamins       So I got five good hours of work in before I noticed and got the problem resolved.
22:33 datadoctor    That's funny! Seems quiet when no one is sending you messages.
22:33 datadoctor    very productive!
22:33 jcamins       Yeah, I liked it!
22:33 jcamins       Then I fixed it and had a backlog of stuff to deal with a mile wide.
22:34 datadoctor    We started patron self-checkout today. It's a big hit!
22:35 wizzyrea      cool, with koha or a special machine?
22:35 datadoctor    With Koha. I'll try to post a screen shot.
22:36 dcook         hey gaetan_B
22:36 wahanui       gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
22:36 gaetan_B      hi dcook :)
22:37 wizzyrea      hi gaetan :)
22:37 * wizzyrea    appreciates gaetan_B's work every time she logs into koha now.
22:37 gaetan_B      :)
22:37 jcamins       Okay... I'm making progress, but why is the file called .dpkg-new?
22:38 dcook         New start page as in the new intranet one?
22:38 rangi         yep
22:39 dcook         gaetan_B++
22:39 dcook         I was so happy to switch to that new page :D
22:40 dcook         I think everyone I encounter who has upgraded has celebrated it!
22:40 jcamins       I only know of one person who disliked it.
22:41 jcamins       Well, one institution.
22:41 datadoctor    http://screencast.com/t/nEQvURjSYLu8
22:41 jcamins       datadoctor: nice!
22:43 datadoctor    And page 2: http://screencast.com/t/hen2Truadx
22:44 wizzyrea      pretty :)
22:44 rangi         i think we should change it slightly each major version
22:44 rangi         colours maybe
22:44 jcamins       rangi: smart!
22:44 rangi         :)
22:45 wizzyrea      "oh, you're using koha BLOOD RED. That one's broken."
22:45 jcamins       lol
22:45 drojf         lol
22:45 rangi         heh
22:45 dcook         hehe
22:45 rangi         drojf: http://www.unlok.ca/wayward/ <-- totally html5
22:45 dcook         Looks great, datadoctor
22:46 datadoctor    Sorry to cross-talk. I'm heading out the door. Good luck with your work jcamins, dcook, rangi, wizzyrea and gaetan_B !
22:46 jcamins       Bye.
22:46 rangi         datadoctor: it does look good!
22:46 wizzyrea      later :)
22:46 dcook         Cheers
22:47 rangi         thats committer 201
22:47 rangi         for anyone who didnt know
22:47 wizzyrea      :D
22:47 rangi         doh
22:48 drojf         rangi: does not work for me
22:50 dcook         Works just fine over here, rangi, drojf. I'll have to play later...
22:50 drojf         rangi: i've been playing a little with canvas. not sure yet if that is going to be the next ingress or a koha map feature or nothing :D
22:50 jcamins       eythian: help! I just broke the packages.
22:51 rangi         drojf:
22:51 rangi         :)
22:51 rangi         hmm im hitting return a lot by accident today
22:51 jcamins       All the configuration files have ".dpkg-new" appended to them.
22:52 drojf         i think my browser is too secure for this web. the mozilla marketplace did not work because of the adblock popup blocker btw. i did not know that thing is still on when you deactivate adblock :/
22:52 eythian       jcamins: how did you do that?
22:52 eythian       also, all of them?
22:52 eythian       like, everything under /etc/koha?
22:53 pastebot      "jcamins" at pasted "like this" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/385
22:53 jcamins       Yup.
22:53 jcamins       All of them.
22:53 jcamins       Maybe because I still have the line in koha-common.dirs?
22:54 eythian       I don't think you need the one in .dirs if you're going to be putting files there anyway
22:54 jcamins       Okay.
22:54 jcamins       We'll try that.
22:54 eythian       it's just to define directories that are OK to be empty I think.
22:54 jcamins       Ohhh.
22:54 jcamins       That makes sense. :)
22:54 drojf         dcook: it just loads for me, even in safe mode
22:55 eythian       also, you don't need the etc/koha after the ...koha/searchengine line
22:55 jcamins       Okay.
22:55 * jcamins     waits for this build to fail spectacularly.
23:01 dcook         Do you use Ghostery, drojf?
23:02 drojf         dcook: no. i use requestpolicy, but all was ok. it's a security error in the code that firefox does not like
23:02 drojf         [23:59:16.869] SecurityError: The operation is insecure. @ http://www.unlok.ca/wayward/js/game.js?v=1:20
23:03 drojf         dcook: what browser did you try?
23:03 dcook         drojf: I used Chrome, but I just tried with Firefox 14.0.1 and it worked fine
23:03 dcook         Took longer to load though
23:03 drojf         i tried ff nightly and 20
23:04 drojf         i'll try iceweasel 10 or what debian ships with
23:05 dcook         Always a bit worrisome when something doesn't work in a specific browser though :/
23:06 drojf         i get the same error in iceweasel
23:08 dcook         Is this useful? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781447
23:08 huginn        04Bug 781447: was not found.
23:08 dcook         Hmm, by comparison, 9000-some bugs doesn't seem so bad...
23:08 jcamins       Hehe.
23:10 jcamins       Oh, I think I might know what the problem is.
23:12 jcamins       debian/rules
23:12 wahanui       debian/rules is failing. It's not a test. That's the actual build process.
23:12 drojf         dcook: it was indeed that very problem
23:12 jcamins       I will keep you updated.
23:17 drojf         wow that is annoying. and weird. i have used localstorage with that setting and did not have any problems
23:18 dcook         Still having problems, drojf?
23:19 drojf         dcook: i'd like to keep my setting tobe asked about cookies if enabled. i can play the game if i turn that off
23:19 dcook         Mmm, I thought that was the situation. No way to add any exceptions in FF?
23:21 drojf         it does not want to set a cookie. i dont think i can do anything about localstorage, besides disable it in about:config
23:21 drojf         anyway, i'll go to bed. have a nice meeting everyone
23:23 drojf         dcook: it actually works with a cookie exception for http://www.unlok.ca. that makes even less sense since localstorage is no cookies, but ok ;)
23:23 drojf         g'night
23:28 dcook         Mmm, I forgot about the meeting. That's in 2.5 hours?
23:29 cjh           dcook: yes :)
23:29 cjh           (unless my time conversion was off)
23:30 dcook         That's what my conversion said as well, but I wanted to make sure. Thanks, cjh!
23:30 jcamins       Yes.
23:34 gaetan_B      good night #koha
23:44 jcamins       No, I can't figure it out.
23:53 jcamins       The Debian maintainer's guide may have all the information a person needs to deal with a package, but it sure doesn't troubleshooting easy.
23:59 jcamins       eythian: why did we decide to just delete the solr configuration files rather than installing them?