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23:33 JoeLib001 I've had it for today. ;-) Have a good one everyone. ;-)
23:27 wizzyrea that must be it ;)
23:22 rambutan That thing in your link doesn't work. I keep clicking on "OK" and nothing happens. Looks like a windows box, so maybe that's why.
23:19 wizzyrea "are you trying to send this to another library or confirm a hold for someone at your library?"
23:19 wizzyrea how to display that information in a way that reduces the feeling of "OMG WHAT DO I DO" in the person using it.
23:18 wizzyrea I guess the challenge then becomes
23:18 wizzyrea because I have been thinking this morning "there are just sometimes when a user might legitimately put something in koha in a state where it would be impossible for any program to ascertain what the person's intention was"
23:15 drojf lol
23:15 wizzyrea ;)
23:15 wizzyrea seriously, it would make things so much easier.
23:14 drojf :D
23:07 wizzyrea I think koha needs this for holds: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6x7x24pYN1rqbl96o1_500.jpg
22:50 * wizzyrea laughs evilly
22:50 wizzyrea <that you know of>
22:50 wizzyrea <not really my password>
22:50 wizzyrea busted, now you're gonna hack me
22:50 wizzyrea :)
22:50 rambutan well, it does include a special character
22:49 drojf and the wrong window
22:49 drojf that's a short password
22:49 wizzyrea gr.
22:49 wizzyrea ...now to remember the password for my 3.8 db.
22:47 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
22:47 drojf @later tell rangi nevermind, we figured it out
22:45 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha Community Newsletter: January 2013 http://t.co/q7709pGH"
22:20 * wizzyrea curses a bit at holds.
22:15 libsysguy that is correct
22:12 drojf last time i checked there was a lot missing in solr. like, all things authorities?
22:07 bag dogs rule!
22:07 libsysguy cats out of the bag now :p
22:07 libsysguy on wheezy
22:07 libsysguy well, we have it *semi* working :)
22:06 bag HA no worries - everyone knows we are testing Solr right now :D
22:06 libsysguy it happens
22:06 libsysguy :D
22:06 libsysguy oops
22:06 bag afternoon #koha
22:06 bag wrong window fool :P
22:06 bag nice
22:05 libsysguy aww yeah bag check that out http://staff.discovery.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/searchengine/solr/indexes.pl
22:02 libsysguy does anybody know where the installdir is set when pulling from C4::Context?
21:46 JoeLib001 Yeah, the link probably should be to here: http://zeerex.z3950.org/dtd/zeerex-2.0.dtd I think.
21:45 eythian It's nice if they put the DTD there, but not required.
21:45 JoeLib001 Ok.
21:45 eythian yeah, just a namespace.
21:44 JoeLib001 It's in the line <explain xmlns="http://explain.z3950.org/dtd/2.0/">
21:43 eythian Oh, and it's in the header? In that case, no it's not a requirement that the actual DTD be there. It's just a namespace.
21:43 JoeLib001 I'm looking in the file /etc/koha/zebradb/explain-biblios.xml
21:43 wizzyrea I suspect the zebra definitions
21:42 eythian where does it come from?
21:41 JoeLib001 Is http://explain.z3950.org/dtd/2.0/ supposed to go somewhere?
21:35 eythian the video is delightfully surreal
21:33 trea heh
21:33 wahanui http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.shtml
21:33 wizzyrea meat?
21:32 eythian later
21:32 wizzyrea byee
21:32 oleonard Anyway.. See you later #koha
21:32 jcamins Time to go to a cooking demonstration at the local library. :)
21:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9516 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Item Availability/Data missing from OPAC tag search
21:32 * oleonard cannot reproduce bug 9516
21:31 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:31 eythian wahanui: meat is also <reply>http://youtu.be/gaFZTAOb7IE
21:31 wizzyrea i mean, it would only show if you have "edititems"
21:31 wizzyrea yea
21:30 jcamins Oh, no, it's the barcode, which just goes to moredetail.pl.
21:29 jcamins Didn't there used to be?
21:29 * wizzyrea shoots for the moon
21:29 wizzyrea and i mean, on each item.
21:29 wizzyrea you know what would be cool. An edit link to edit the items on detail.pl
21:29 eythian deal :)
21:29 oleonard eythian: If you ever catch me referring to the internet as "the cloud" please smack me upside the head
21:28 JoeLib001 I am thinking Satellite Internet. ;-)
21:28 eythian I assume you mean the cloud has returned :)
21:27 oleonard And suddenly the cloud passes and I can connect to git again.
21:27 eythian it really is, one of my favourite short stories
21:27 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaFZTAOb7IE
21:26 oleonard A classic.
21:24 wahanui http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.shtml
21:24 jcamins meat?
21:24 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:24 eythian wahanui: meat is <reply>http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.shtml
21:18 JoeLib001 I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/kohatest/__KOHA_CONF_DIR__/zebradb/explain-biblios.xml"
21:17 JoeLib001 Hmm...., am getting an error in zebra-output.log.
21:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , default_branch_circ_rule and default_circ_rules tables useless
21:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9192 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl field creation
21:16 jcamins Two patches left to test. bug 9192 and bug 8369.
21:13 * oleonard is in the git blackout zone again
21:07 wizzyrea oleonard++
21:06 wizzyrea what prefs set, what rules
21:06 wizzyrea yea, I'm going to need an absolute test plan
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
21:06 jcamins So I'm going to say that bug 8292 needs some more work, and let the circ experts figure it out.
21:05 wahanui salut, eythian
21:05 eythian hi
21:03 wizzyrea phew.
21:03 wizzyrea oh phes
21:03 jcamins 3.10.0ish.
21:03 jcamins And not 3.10.whateverwe'reupto.
21:03 * wizzyrea blinks
21:03 jcamins But that was with 3.10 not master.
21:03 wizzyrea er
21:03 jcamins Fun!
21:03 jcamins I didn't enter the barcode twice. I just got double entries.
21:03 wizzyrea the second time it would renew
21:02 wizzyrea theoretically, if you try to issue the same book to the same person twice
21:02 jcamins Hmm...
21:02 wahanui it has been said that caching is good. Caching using module variables is not.
21:02 wizzyrea caching?
21:02 jcamins Two entries.
21:02 jcamins Yes.
21:01 wizzyrea not renewed?
21:01 wizzyrea wait, you actually had the same book issued to yourself twice?
21:01 wizzyrea ermmm
20:57 jcamins Also, it was broken in 3.8.0.
20:57 jcamins Simultaneously.
20:57 jcamins I just managed to check out the same book to myself twice.
20:57 jcamins Nice!
20:56 wizzyrea hm
20:54 jcamins Well, it didn't work when we branched 3.10.
20:51 jcamins I guess I'll try git bisect... do we have any idea when/if it worked?
20:50 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-)
20:47 wizzyrea </rant>
20:47 wizzyrea big mess
20:47 wizzyrea = confused humans, and confused koha
20:47 wizzyrea fix it = making koha infer something that isn't always right
20:47 wizzyrea confusing to humans = fix it
20:46 wizzyrea multiple prompts = confusing to humans
20:46 wizzyrea = multiple prompts
20:46 wizzyrea I mean how do you codify "this item is in transit, but it could also fill a hold for someone here, and it also has a record to transfer it to library that is neither sending or receiving - what should I suggest you do?"
20:45 wizzyrea but it can't always
20:45 wizzyrea because we expect koha to infer what it is supposed to be doing
20:45 wizzyrea those messages are wicked complicated
20:45 oleonard Default value seems to be "location|itype|ccode" I wonder if I can add anything I want?
20:45 wizzyrea I am quite sure it has.
20:45 jcamins The thing is, I'm not 100% sure it's ever done anything different.
20:44 jcamins Agreed.
20:44 * wizzyrea backs out of it and tries again without the patch.
20:44 wizzyrea which I think seems not right
20:44 wizzyrea and it says the item is already waiting
20:44 wizzyrea there is no ignore at the receiving library
20:44 oleonard StatisticsFields
20:44 wizzyrea jcamins: I got the same result you did
20:44 oleonard Oh, there's a new preference
20:43 oleonard my $fields = C4::Members::Statistics::get_fields();
20:43 wizzyrea that's a good question - I'm not sure, it's a new feature
20:42 oleonard does members/statistics.pl always show the same three columns,location itype and ccode?
20:41 wizzyrea every time I use it, I'm grateful.
20:41 oleonard :D
20:41 wizzyrea so. much.
20:41 wizzyrea oleonard: I LOVE search to hold.
20:40 wizzyrea i blame the user (me)
20:40 wizzyrea logical I suppose, but one might assume that if the word NULL is in a cell, that it would be ignored.
20:39 * wizzyrea also notices that if you put NULL in the fields in the patron importer, the importer puts NULL in all of the fields.
20:39 wizzyrea HOLDS. must test holds.
20:37 * wizzyrea makes a bug for those things.
20:36 wizzyrea also, that page doesn't have the toolbar on it
20:35 oleonard Agreed
20:35 wizzyrea (that patron statistics tab, that table is ugly.)
20:34 wizzyrea but I haven't tested it yet
20:33 wizzyrea which is what I'm afraid of.
20:33 wizzyrea it may not be the same in all cases.
20:33 wizzyrea jcamins: at the very least we need to confirm what *should* happen in any circumstance when ignore is pushed
20:32 * wizzyrea hopes she laughed
20:32 * wizzyrea thought for sure she'd come back
20:32 wizzyrea haha!
20:31 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:31 wizzyrea @later tell cait I love you sis :)
20:31 jcamins lol
20:31 drojf lol
20:31 wizzyrea :)
20:31 wizzyrea lol
20:31 * cait is not sure if jcamins is mean or helpful, or both
20:31 * jcamins pushes cait.
20:30 wizzyrea hi paul_p
20:30 cait ok, someone push me out of #koha please
20:30 cait ew
20:30 wizzyrea ew
20:30 oleonard Ugh. Just got my first bug report regarding Koha in Firefox on Windows 8 :(
20:29 * cait is listening to milow
20:29 cait don't know that one :)
20:29 cait oh
20:29 wahanui i guess the band is called 'the the' :)
20:29 wizzyrea the band
20:29 cait Orbital?
20:29 * wizzyrea is powered by Orbital today
20:28 * cait hands wizzyrea a cookie and goes back to bpm...
20:28 cait lol
20:28 wizzyrea i am sad when I switch off of my bootstrap branch.
20:28 wizzyrea because that does seem not-right
20:28 cait wizzyrea++
20:28 jcamins Thanks.
20:27 wizzyrea put that one in discussion - let me check it, I will do it right now
20:27 jcamins I was testing line breaks in overdue notices.
20:27 jcamins Thank you.
20:27 wizzyrea hm
20:27 wizzyrea (that's aside)
20:27 * cait confesses that she might have skipped the transfer step
20:27 wizzyrea I like your book title.
20:27 wizzyrea hm.
20:27 wizzyrea !
20:27 jcamins There's no "Ignore" button.
20:26 jcamins And we're back at my first screenshot.
20:26 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought.
20:26 wizzyrea and check it in
20:26 jcamins And... do what?
20:26 wizzyrea yep
20:26 jcamins Now I go over to Centerville.
20:26 wizzyrea now set your library to centerville
20:26 jcamins I think I should.
20:26 wizzyrea yep
20:26 jcamins I click that button?
20:26 jcamins It says "Confirm hold and transfer."
20:25 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/rQrp0dqGn7
20:25 wizzyrea confirm that
20:25 wizzyrea it should say "transfer to centerville for selfcheck"
20:25 * cait giggles
20:25 jcamins I am holding the book.
20:25 wizzyrea you check it in
20:25 jcamins I think I am a librarian at Fairfield who pulls the book.
20:25 jcamins Now what do I do?
20:25 wizzyrea you have to make sure to change your set branch too.
20:25 jcamins Selfcheck has placed a hold to pick it up at Centerville.
20:25 cait with spaces at the right places... (bad typing)
20:24 cait wher eit is checke din
20:24 cait Item from B gets pulled and morphs over to A
20:24 jcamins Okay, so my book is at Fairfield.
20:24 wizzyrea ^^^
20:24 cait librarian from A places hold for patron at A for pickup at A on item from B
20:24 wizzyrea at different places
20:24 wizzyrea and really put your mind in the space of 2 librarians
20:24 jcamins I'll try another.
20:23 cait I did a fresh one too
20:23 jcamins That was a fresh hold.
20:23 cait yep
20:23 cait ^^ what wizzyrea said :)
20:23 wizzyrea I think you need a fresh hold
20:23 jcamins Okay.
20:23 wizzyrea the broken behavior is that the item gets stuck at library A if you have AIR on
20:23 wizzyrea no
20:23 jcamins Because I'm trying to test the broken behavior.
20:23 wizzyrea yes
20:23 jcamins Wait... is this a "once you apply the patch, this is the way it works" thing?
20:22 jcamins That's not what just happened.
20:22 wizzyrea once it is checked in at library A
20:22 wizzyrea except that it is marked "in transit"
20:22 wizzyrea nothing really happens to the hold at that point
20:22 wizzyrea library b checks it in once to transfer it
20:22 jcamins Right.
20:22 wizzyrea the item started at library b
20:22 jcamins Why on earth would the first checkin be at library A?
20:22 wizzyrea is that what you did?
20:22 jcamins I must be missing something.
20:21 wizzyrea because the item is already confirmed and waiting
20:21 wizzyrea the second time you check it in you will not see an ignore button
20:21 wizzyrea if you confirm the first time
20:21 wizzyrea you have the choice to ignore it
20:21 wizzyrea the first time you check in the item at library a
20:21 wizzyrea library b pulls the item, transfers it to library a
20:21 wizzyrea patron a belongs to library a
20:21 wizzyrea is you place a hold for patron a on an item from library b
20:20 wizzyrea so what you do
20:20 wizzyrea trying again you will get this message that it's already waiting
20:20 jcamins But that's at the home library.
20:20 wizzyrea once you have confirmed it once
20:20 jcamins Right.
20:20 wizzyrea you can igonre it
20:20 wizzyrea you check in an item
20:20 wizzyrea the first time
20:19 jcamins wtf is the point of bug 8292 then?
20:19 jcamins But...
20:19 wizzyrea use a fresh hold ;)
20:19 wizzyrea you can't ignore it if it's already waiting
20:19 wizzyrea oh, it's because the item is already waiting
20:19 jcamins Ooh. That could be.
20:19 jcamins Notice the lack of an ignore button.
20:19 wizzyrea could it be that the rules for that particular branch state that the itemtype you are trying to issue is no-holds
20:19 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/Xt9mSNj4u
20:18 jcamins For another user, I managed to get the following (taking screenshot).
20:18 wizzyrea it just doesn't work
20:18 wizzyrea he doesn't get one
20:18 cait what is the error message you get?
20:17 jcamins Yeah, I'm placing holds from staff as well.
20:17 cait and I placed my holds from staff
20:17 jcamins It's a superlibrarian user.
20:17 jcamins It's not the database user.
20:17 wizzyrea it's not the superlibrarian
20:17 jcamins Not as far as I can see.
20:17 cait jcamins: I tested with automaticitemreturn - not sure about my other settings :(
20:17 wizzyrea over the fine limit?
20:16 wizzyrea are they debarred?
20:16 wizzyrea this is what mine looks like
20:16 jcamins wizzyrea: it seems like possibly that user can no longer place holds.
20:16 wizzyrea http://imgur.com/wagcS6q
20:16 cait maybe a syspref is involved here?
20:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
20:16 jcamins Test the problem described in bug 8292.
20:16 cait what are you trying to do?
20:16 cait hm
20:16 jcamins Apparently.
20:16 jcamins I have "Confirm" and "Print and confirm."
20:15 wizzyrea wait you made it work?
20:15 jcamins I don't have an ignore button.
20:15 wizzyrea jcamins: maybe try with a fresh DB?
20:15 jcamins Ummm...
20:15 cait but it's the last course in that area thankfully
20:15 cait distance study
20:15 cait not really
20:14 oleonard That does not sound fun.
20:14 * cait spend all day on learning about business process management :(
20:13 cait oleonard++ :)
20:13 wizzyrea :D
20:13 wizzyrea YOU WIN.
20:13 * oleonard made one
20:13 wizzyrea like I didn't see one for "duplicate"
20:13 wizzyrea some we don't have but
20:13 wizzyrea I like the icons that come with bootstrap
20:12 jcamins The item level hold worked.
20:12 wizzyrea mine are all bib-level
20:12 jcamins It just skipped my bib-level hold.
20:12 wizzyrea :D
20:12 oleonard Fresh patch awaiting testing wizzyrea! :)
20:12 wizzyrea oleonard++ for that work
20:12 jcamins that's really weird.
20:12 jcamins ...
20:12 * wizzyrea can't wait to get bootstrap on it properly, it will look really properly swank then.
20:11 wizzyrea also, koha is looking so nice these days.
20:11 wizzyrea mine are working fine
20:11 jcamins Good idea.
20:11 jcamins I'll try item level too.
20:11 wahanui somebody said bib-level was an example
20:11 jcamins Bib-level.
20:10 wizzyrea yes
20:10 wizzyrea item level holds jcamins?
20:10 slef "Staff at collapsed music and entertainment chain HMV used the company's official Twitter account to announce their own "mass execution" as administrators axed nearly 190 jobs."
20:09 jcamins Hey, does "Attention:" always show out on your checkout screen, even when there's no message?
20:09 slef how not to fire people http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jobs-axed-stricken-retailer-hmv-160620231.html
20:09 * wizzyrea tries another
20:09 jcamins That's good.
20:09 wizzyrea mine seems to be working
20:08 jcamins But holds worked after I pushed Srdjan's latest patch because I tried them.
20:08 jcamins We are in agreement.
20:08 wizzyrea that seems not good
20:07 jcamins wizzyrea: it just says "Not checked out"
20:07 * wizzyrea will try it right now
20:07 jcamins So... do holds work for anyone on master?
20:07 wizzyrea jcamins
20:07 wizzyrea you get a message when you try, or you dont?
20:07 JoeLib001 Ok, will do.
20:06 jcamins Bother.
20:06 jcamins No, I was wrong.
20:06 * wizzyrea waves to oleonard
20:06 cait hi wizzyrea and oleonard :)
20:06 oleonard Hi cait
20:06 wizzyrea hi cait
20:06 cait hi #koha
20:05 wizzyrea ha.
20:05 jcamins I had added rental charges!
20:04 jcamins Wait, wait! I know!
20:04 jcamins Right.
20:04 jcamins Oh.
20:04 wizzyrea that seems not good.
20:04 wizzyrea JoeLib001 :)
20:03 wizzyrea not you
20:03 wizzyrea no no no
20:03 jcamins Any record results in the holds system going bonkers.
20:03 jcamins It doesn't matter.
20:03 wizzyrea you are going to want to attach the marc record you used
20:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9522 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha returns <, >, etc in the record instead of <, >, etc when fulfilling a Z39.50 request
20:03 JoeLib001 My bad, bug 9522. ;-)
20:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9552 was not found.
20:02 JoeLib001 posted bug 9552
20:02 jcamins that was not an improvement.
20:02 jcamins Okay...
20:02 jcamins This is master with or without that patch.
20:02 wizzyrea this is just master + that patch, right?
20:02 wizzyrea hm that seems odd for sure
20:01 jcamins That didn't do anything.
20:01 jcamins I also tried checking it out to the person who had the hold, when it refused to trigger.
20:01 jcamins Yes.
20:01 * wizzyrea states the obvious - you are using "check in" right :P
20:01 wizzyrea ha.
20:01 jcamins I don't feel that's so much to ask.
20:00 * jcamins would just like his hold to trigger.
20:00 wizzyrea unless that's the problem you are trying to address.
20:00 wizzyrea you should not ever try to do testing with old holds.
20:00 wizzyrea oh well
19:59 jcamins I'm thinking I'll just clear out reserves and oldreserves and try again.
19:59 wizzyrea is it internet connected?
19:59 wizzyrea hmm.
19:59 jcamins Nope.
19:59 * wizzyrea is reaching the bottom of the barrel
19:59 jcamins I didn't think of checking that!
19:59 jcamins Oh-ho!
19:59 wizzyrea independent branches?
19:58 jcamins But I cannot trigger them.
19:58 jcamins I have holds in the database.
19:58 jcamins Nah, when I say holds do not work at all for me, I mean "wowie, that's extraordinary, no part of holds is functioning!"
19:58 * wizzyrea sheds a tear
19:58 wizzyrea also, my very first database update.
19:58 jcamins It'd be nice. :)
19:58 wizzyrea :)
19:58 wizzyrea ohhh okies. I could clean those up too eh.
19:57 jcamins wizzyrea: they were already there.
19:57 wizzyrea (were they in my patch or existent?)
19:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access.
19:57 wizzyrea also jcamins, re: bug 9382 - what were the capitalisation problems?
19:55 wizzyrea )
19:55 wizzyrea (those being the two most common reasons why
19:55 wizzyrea :)
19:55 wizzyrea and you probably do not have allow on shelf holds turned on
19:55 wizzyrea because you do not have an all all all rule
19:54 jcamins I'm contemplating why holds do not work at all for me.
19:53 wizzyrea also, good morning :)
19:53 wizzyrea what about it?
19:53 wizzyrea *nod*
19:53 wizzyrea so the thought was that if he didn't index from the marcxml, those issues wouldn't come up
19:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
19:53 jcamins Bug 8292.
19:52 wizzyrea in his case, he's got html entities in his xml, which is normal, but it looks like the output from zebra is including them untranslated.
19:47 libsysguy which is better
19:47 libsysguy rebuilds the indexes from marcxml
19:40 JoeLib001 What's it do?
19:40 libsysguy you should always use the -x option iirc
19:39 JoeLib001 Hmm..., just tried rebuilding the Zebra index without the -x option, but that didn't fix it.
19:31 JoeLib001 Hello. :-)
19:31 trea o/
19:29 JoeLib001 I'm backing up my test machine so I can kill koha without having to redo my test machine. ;-)
19:28 JoeLib001 It does. I installed koha 3.10 from the pacakges.
19:28 JoeLib001 In fact when I connect with the yaz-client to my localhost I get the same result. I just spent a couple hours creating a test server to see, if it holds true on a clean system.
19:27 JoeLib001 I am still stuck on this whole issue with koha giving me <, >, etc. When I am importing the record into a Non-Koha system using Z39.50.
19:25 JoeLib001 Hello again everyone. ;-)
19:23 jcamins_away Maybe missing data.
19:13 jcamins_away t/db_dependent/Koha.t passes on my server.
19:13 wahanui i guess Snow is thawing :)
19:13 oleonard Snow?
19:13 jcamins_away Okay... what am I missing here?
18:58 libsysguy you get an error page
18:58 libsysguy if you go to admin -> search engine configuration
18:57 libsysguy koha:old_usual
18:57 libsysguy nengard http://staff.discovery.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl
18:56 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr/Lucene_Test_Queries_for_Koha
18:56 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr/Lucene_Documentation
18:56 nengard libsysguy: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switch_to_Solr_RFC
18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9308 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ed.veal, Pushed to Master , logo-koha.png not transparent in ccsr theme.
18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9483 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on batch patron modifications page
18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9268 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , Scanning in barcode or ISBN in Acquisitions -> new order submits the form unexpectedly
18:33 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9265 - Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access.
18:33 jenkins_koha * ed.veal: Bug 9308 - logo-koha.png not transparent in ccsr theme
18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9494 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Library of Congress Z39.50 target seed data outdated
18:33 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9483 - Use DataTables on batch patron modifications page
18:33 jenkins_koha * liz: Bug 9268 - Scanning in barcode or ISBN in Acquisitions -> new order submits the form unexpectedly
18:33 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9382: Increment version number
18:33 jenkins_koha * liz: Bug 9382 - updating permission labels
18:33 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 9494: update default LOC z39.50 target settings
18:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1030: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1030/
18:25 libsysguy is there any doc on getting solr working?
18:04 oleonard "Dear Annoyed: Keep your mouth shut and get back to work. -- Abby"
18:04 oleonard "Dear Abby: How do I tell my staff to stop writing 'KOHA' without sounding like an asshole? -- Annoyed in Athens County"
17:30 * oleonard lawyers up
17:28 oleonard jenkins_koha accuses me of breaking master?
17:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #1030 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1028 6 days 17 hr ago)
17:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused images from the OPAC
17:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8942 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Translation process breaks javascript in calendar.inc
17:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9174 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Item type image does not display for biblio-level itemtypes in list display in OPAC
17:27 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8108 [Follow-up, revised] Remove unused OPAC images
17:27 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 2)
17:27 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 1)
17:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9497 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Make it easier to add to the the list of possible encodings for Z39.50 servers and add ISO 8859-1
17:27 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript
17:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9174 follow-up: Eliminate warning and fix POD
17:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9174: Fix itemtype image display in OPAC lists
17:27 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 9497 - Make it easier to add new encodings for Z39.50 servers and add ISO 8859-1
17:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1029: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1029/
17:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
17:12 oleonard Bug 9265 Hooray! HTML5 is a go!
17:01 nengard better than 30 degrees
17:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9265' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9112fb63dfd8d18a73010f51eb927bfc961284c9> / Bug 9265 - Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47609920b7403b884f1b5feb136de0ce026e75fc> / Merge branch 'bug_9308' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8
17:01 nengard I think I can handle 100 degrees
16:55 jcamins Okay, time to go get Shari some coffee.
16:52 * jcamins too.
16:45 libsysguy heh
16:44 * oleonard will leave Texas to libsysguy
16:42 * libsysguy is more suited for 100 degrees
16:42 libsysguy heh
16:41 jcamins It's warmer where you are than where I am!
16:41 libsysguy well in Texas its generally warm
16:41 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Palm Desert Country Club, Palm Desert, California is 11.7°C (8:29 AM PST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
16:41 jcamins @wunder palm desert, ca
16:41 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -1.7°C (11:11 AM EST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
16:41 oleonard @wunder 45701
16:40 oleonard 15C is "so cold?"
16:39 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in Eagle Springs, Humble, Texas is 15.1°C (10:37 AM CST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
16:39 libsysguy @wunder 77346
16:39 libsysguy grr
16:39 jcamins It's pretty nice out here in California. :P
16:39 jcamins Heh.
16:39 jcamins Ah.
16:38 libsysguy its so cold here my fingers don't want to work
16:38 libsysguy plack**
16:38 jcamins libsysguy: BTW, "pack patch"?
16:38 * libsysguy hears the whip cracking in the background
16:37 * gaetan_B files a bug quickly
16:37 oleonard Patch! Test! Repeat!
16:37 * libsysguy takka takka takka
16:37 oleonard jcamins is here! Everyone look busy!
16:37 jcamins gaetan_B: that's because Italians secretly prefer to learn new languages.
16:37 libsysguy oh crap jcamins is here
16:36 libsysguy incase anybody wants to test and so too ;)
16:36 libsysguy I just dropped the pack patch in on a clean box and fresh install and it worked straight out of the gate
16:31 gaetan_B which is the one for bahasa indonesia right now
16:30 gaetan_B with the code for italian
16:30 gaetan_B there is something wrong though
16:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ...
16:30 gaetan_B oleonard: hi :) i'm looking at bug 2559, i'd say the problem doesn't exist anymore OR unimarc is more consistent than marc21 (since it uses the iso something codes for languages)
16:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #1029 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
16:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8108' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=01e727a6d9b4672d3b52aee328b81cdb57020c6b> / Bug 8108 [Follow-up, revised] Remove unused OPAC images <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd56cf5e9686ac383de80891efe41e1dad2e1165> / Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4520f6
15:44 oleonard If it did I'd ask you to drop me off a bag of chips on the way
15:44 gmcharlt oleonard: sadly, my arm doesn't reach from Seattle to Massachusetts :)
15:43 oleonard gmcharlt: I thought it was to distract Dyrcona in preparation for some kind of elaborate office prank
15:41 Dyrcona :)
15:41 gmcharlt Dyrcona: why do you think we lured you over here in the first place? ;)
15:41 Dyrcona gmcharlt better watch out. I'm getting ideas for Evergreen..... ;)
15:40 Dyrcona Neat! I like the way you handle installation of the Perl stuff.
15:38 Dyrcona What JSON package do you use? I see a use JSON; in that code that magnuse shared earlier.
15:36 Dyrcona Oh well.
15:36 oleonard Dyrcona: That will be quite the non-sequitor when drojf returns :)
15:33 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
15:33 Dyrcona @later tell drojf It probably is that easy.
15:33 nengard when sorting my publication date is it using the 008 in the marc record? or is it using the copyrightdatefield in the db? or both?
15:33 Dyrcona drojf: It probably .... dang!
15:32 drojf later
15:32 * drojf heads home
15:32 drojf magnuse: that's what i was thinking :D
15:29 magnuse almost sounds too easy :-)
15:29 magnuse drojf: not sure
15:25 drojf gerundio: thanks!
15:25 drojf don't have a koha to try atm
15:25 drojf magnuse: would changing that to fetchall_hashref do what i expect?
15:24 gerundio in that case, that code is valid JSON
15:24 gerundio drojf, magnuse use http://jsonlint.com/ to help figure out if it's JSON or not
15:07 magnuse it comes from line 60 here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=svc/report;h=654ef1572b76c231badabfc1e1c782510734bee6;hb=HEAD#l60
15:05 drojf magnuse: yes, i was expecting something like that
15:05 magnuse it would have been more useful if it as an array of hashes, with column names as keys, perhaps
15:05 drojf heh
15:05 Dyrcona Whether or not it's what you expect, I can't say. :)
15:05 drojf ok. not what i expected but if that is how it is supposed to be then i can deal with it :)
15:04 magnuse Dyrcona: that's what i suspected :-)
15:04 Dyrcona magnuse: That's an array of arrays in JSON.
15:03 drojf i think i started doing anything with json like two weeks ago, so i'm really not familiar with it :D
15:03 magnuse or something like that...
15:03 magnuse where we would expect to se an array of hashes?
15:02 magnuse hm, is it a list of lists?
15:02 drojf that is not really json, is it? or is there some kind of json-y has thing i don't understand?
15:01 drojf yes
15:01 magnuse drojf: i'm seeing the same as you, i guess: [["Code","Lessig, Lawrence"],["The future of ideas","Lessig, Lawrence"],["Remix","Lessig, Lawrence"]]
14:59 drojf http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=2
14:57 magnuse drojf: what's the url for accessing a public report again?
14:57 drojf then maybe i'm doing something wrong
14:54 magnuse drojf: i don't think there is a way to choose output format
14:52 drojf public reports that is
14:50 drojf does anybody know if there is a way to choose the output of the koha svc report feature? rangi said it would output json, it does not look like json to me though
14:48 * drojf is not qualified to answer that question
14:47 gerundio does that code snippet look like a good way to update items barcode and stocknumber after being mapped?
14:45 gerundio s/among/within/
14:45 gerundio I think that the only bad thing is this culture that lives among the population
14:44 drojf come on, why care about koha? just relax man :D
14:44 gerundio drojf, there are so many nice things going on for Portugal
14:44 drojf sounds like a relaxed country ;)
14:44 gerundio back to koha, earlier today I pasted this http://paste.koha-community.org/376
14:44 gerundio oh well, we could talk for days about this :|
14:43 gerundio most people think they only have rights
14:43 gerundio in Portugal that feeling of not caring about the obligations is a cultural thing
14:42 gerundio that sums it drojf
14:40 drojf oleonard: some people don't care :D
14:40 oleonard I would be profoundly bad at my job if I stopped learning new things
14:40 Dyrcona I'm always learning new things. It's how I fight boredom.
14:40 gerundio me too
14:40 oleonard [off] I hope only for a special kind of people drojf
14:39 gerundio most of these people just think "do it or don't do it, I get my paycheck at the end of the month either way, so I rather don't do it"
14:39 drojf [off] there seems to come a point in your work life where you just don't care to leanr anything new, don't want to be bothered and continue to do things like you used to until you die. i wonder if that is for everybody or just a special kind of people
14:39 gerundio drojf, "lack of ability" was just my nice choice of words for ignorance, laziness or resignation
14:38 drojf [off] yes i have seen a considerable amount of ignorance and fear of/hatred towards new things in people lilke that
14:37 gerundio and lets just say they could refuse to do the job and there's nothing I could do about it
14:37 gerundio I managed our helpdesk team for 9 months
14:37 gerundio so basically they're untouchable
14:37 gerundio in Portugal public employees can't be dismissed (fired)
14:36 gerundio but this a public faculty
14:36 gerundio I don't know how it works on other countries
14:36 drojf if there is somebody to do it for them, why learn it?
14:35 Dyrcona gerundio; I usually find its a lack of desire or motivation more than a lack of ability. Most of the people I have these problems with are otherwise intelligent people.
14:35 drojf that is not lack of ability but ignorance
14:35 gerundio drojf, does that answer your question? :D
14:35 gerundio an IT colleague of mine keeps doing stuff in Koha that should be done by our librarians, because, in his words, "they don't know how and they lack the hability to learn"
14:35 drojf s/lean/learn
14:34 drojf gerundio: how do they plan to continue to work if they don't lean how koha works?
14:34 * oleonard wishes he could just use services that worked well and not have to worry about harmful consequences
14:34 gerundio Dyrcona, we get that a lot
14:33 Dyrcona I should use tor.....Think I'll look it up again at lunch time.
14:33 slef drojf++
14:33 Dyrcona Wow! gerundio, you win....I've not heard of anything that bad 'round here.
14:32 * drojf is proud to have started the discussion that lead to google not being the standard search engine in the tor browser bundle anymore :P
14:32 gerundio I heard of one person that requested a "sick leave" just not to learn how to work with Koha :D
14:32 slef http://yacyweb.de/peer.htm might just be giving me dead peers :-/
14:32 Dyrcona gerundio: I deal with people like that everyday, and our migration to Evergreen is another textbook example. :)
14:32 drojf slef: i remember trying to try yacy, but something did not work for me
14:31 Dyrcona I'll give yacy a try.
14:31 * slef reroutes traffic
14:31 slef this is very strange... I wonder if I'm being filtered
14:31 gerundio I have a great example here regarding our migration to koha :D
14:31 * slef has trouble with yacy, just to reward him for mentioning it :-(
14:31 gerundio we deal with people like that everyday
14:31 Dyrcona lol
14:31 gerundio hail hail Dyrcona
14:30 Dyrcona I also don't think you can educate people who want to remain ignorant.
14:30 Dyrcona slef: I didn't say I actually agreed with Bruce.... However, I do to some extent when it comes to software.
14:30 slef Dyrcona: tried yacy?
14:29 slef Dyrcona: education is vital. Refusing to educate people means accepting controlling them.
14:29 Dyrcona slef: Agreed. I think it is about time for a real alternative to Google, et al.
14:29 slef Dyrcona: well, we should strip out the intrusion/integration too, but that's easier said than done with so many Google fanatics around :-/
14:28 Dyrcona slef: I'm reminded of something Bruce Schneier once said, "Anyone who thinks the solution is to educate the end user has never met an actual end user."
14:27 slef educate them. Bring back bookmarking.
14:27 gerundio users heavily deppend on the integration between the browsers navigation bars and the search engines
14:27 slef gerundio: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2010-10-28b.143.0#g175.5 for example. Not only buzzwords.
14:26 drojf publishers were not happy with that :D
14:25 gerundio internet users don't know site URLs anymore (at least non IT users)
14:25 drojf that has happened before, i think in belgium. google kicked out EVERY hit to those sites
14:25 gerundio I'd love for Google to remove links for those publications for 1 month alone
14:24 drojf gerundio: well, they say it's their intellectual property and want to be paid... i don't know, per hit or something
14:23 gerundio lolol, so basically search engines help people get to the news and have to pay for it?
14:23 drojf it's a present of the christian democratic party to the publisher axel springer verlag. it's so ridiculous
14:21 Dyrcona drojf: yeah, I've read about that online.
14:21 drojf we have a discussion about a funny law to make search engines pay for links to newspapers
14:21 slef drojf: it was a change of administration, which often reduces the average age.
14:21 drojf Dyrcona: in germany that is happening more often too
14:20 * oleonard wishes Dyrcona was exaggerating
14:20 drojf "20 per cent of MPs aged under 40", wow. i doubt that is true for german bundestag
14:20 Dyrcona In the U.S. the lawmakers are handed the laws already written by the industries' representatives.
14:20 gerundio ;)
14:19 slef http://democracy-uk-2012.democraticaudit.com/social-representativeness-of-parliament
14:19 slef "Following the 2010 general election, the average age of British MPs was 50, with 20 per cent of MPs aged under 40, 61 per cent aged 40-59, and 19 per cent 60 or over (Smith Institute, 2010). This age profile is not at all surprising, given the nature of the occupation, and it is likely that the age profile of MPs is similar to that found in equivalent professions or even the voting-age population."
14:19 gerundio the point still is that they were thrown a bunch of buzzwords about this topic
14:19 slef gerundio: no, it's a lie to make themselves look clever.
14:19 gerundio probably they are not 80 and most can use a mouse
14:18 gerundio slef, that's just an overstatement to make a point
14:18 slef that reminds me. I'm mjray@friends.mayfirst.org on friendica if anyone wants to connect - may also work with diaspora and statusNet
14:18 slef gerundio: "ORIGINS OF THE LAW". Most of the lawmakers are not 80somethings and probably could use a mouse.
14:17 gerundio slef, didn't understand that "making stuff up" part
14:17 oleonard Right, even those of us who care about internet privacy need help because the odds are against us
14:17 slef gerundio: I don't think making stuff up makes the anti-cookie chart more believable.
14:16 gerundio drojf, or more... those god damn "Ok" buttons are so clicable
14:16 drojf like, everybody who uses facebook or google
14:16 drojf on a sidenote, unfortunately i think 95% of people on the net need help with internet privacy
14:16 gerundio slef, of course it is
14:15 slef gerundio: there is some truth in "ORIGINS OF THE LAW" but it's also exaggerated.
14:15 gerundio based on some calculus, if you buy a €100 media center with a built-in 1 TB HD that new tax will cost you about €400
14:15 drojf gerundio: do you think that because people don't know about something it does not matter? if someone has to consent to cookies (and probably gets an explanation of what a cookie is&does), s/he will learn what a cookie is
14:15 slef gerundio: I think "REASONING BEHIND THE LAW" misses the point in several ways - I doubt the law was originally meant to be just to tell people; I don't think people quickly stop needing help with privacy just because they know what cookies are; ...
14:14 gerundio it's about this new copyrights law they want to approve in Portugal
14:13 gerundio use google translate on this article: http://abertoatedemadrugada.com/2013/01/nova-pl118-propoe-taxas-de-ate-400-por.html
14:13 gerundio drojf, more often that not it does make sense
14:11 drojf that "reasoning behind the law" does not make any sense
14:10 * oleonard was thinking this morning how Americans are opposed to the gov't knowing who owns guns but don't mind private companies knowing everything about them
14:08 gerundio and while you're at it, the "ORIGINS OF THE LAW" chart too :)
14:08 gerundio slef, tell me where you stand regarding that "REASONING BEHIND THE LAW" chart on the page oleonard shared
14:07 slef oleonard: it wasn't the best law they could have made, but yes, it would have been a net benefit.
14:07 oleonard slef: So you think the law would have benefited the public?
14:07 drojf s/do/to
14:06 drojf gerundio: it does not hurt do be nice without a law requiring it
14:06 slef triumph of lazy webmasters and abusive site-owners over public freedom
14:05 slef oleonard: no.
14:04 gerundio I was just mandated to implement the cookie law in all our faculty websites
14:03 gerundio oleonard, they must be kidding (again)
13:27 oleonard slef: Good news? http://blog.silktide.com/2013/01/the-stupid-cookie-law-is-dead-at-last/
13:23 oleonard Whew, that was close. Almost couldn't get in, "too full"
13:06 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
13:06 drojf @later tell rangi i tried the svc report thingy, but the output does not really look like json to me. i got something like [[vallue1],[value2][value3]] instead of {param1:value1,param2:value2,param3:value3} which i was expecting. can i change the output format somewhere?
13:01 drojf you quiet, #koha
12:08 gerundio does that code snippet look like a good way to accomplish that for those 2 fields alone?
12:08 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Code snippet to update mapped barcode and stocknumber on all items" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/376
12:07 gerundio since the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script doesn't work for the items table
12:04 gerundio have been working on a script to update 2 items columns I've mapped using the Koha to MARC mapping
12:03 gerundio hi
09:06 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Présentation Koha 3.10 http://t.co/TipqJITn"
08:27 drojf hi francharb
08:24 francharb good morning all
08:20 drojf good morning #koha
08:16 * magnuse waves
08:01 gaetan_B hello
07:26 alex_a bonjour
05:11 libsysguy thanks for the chat jcamins
05:11 libsysguy I think i am off to bed
05:11 libsysguy well on that note
05:10 libsysguy hmm
05:10 jcamins_away Right.
05:09 jcamins_away Well, you need to do a bit of fiddling, I think, in order to make it actually work as I described.
05:09 libsysguy the pqf buffer being w_pqf?
05:09 libsysguy it just needs to be told what it is
05:08 libsysguy so basically its already set up for it
05:08 jcamins_away Add a session setting to specify "this is in PQF," and, if it is, just stick the query right into the pqf buffer.
05:07 jcamins_away In particular, client_parse_query.
05:06 libsysguy it looks like there is a lot of work in there for solr
05:06 libsysguy thats what I was just reading
05:06 jcamins_away Take a look in src/client.c.
05:06 libsysguy it looks clean
05:05 jcamins_away I grant that I bitch about it a lot, but their code is actually pretty good.
05:05 libsysguy a *lot* of C
05:03 libsysguy I'm out of my league..its in C
05:02 libsysguy well why didn't I try that
05:01 jcamins_away http://git.indexdata.com/
05:00 wahanui libsysguy: I forgot pazpar2 repo
05:00 libsysguy wahanui forget pazpar2 repo
05:00 libsysguy soab
05:00 jcamins_away No, that's a copy of their repo.
05:00 wahanui i guess pazpar2 repo is https://github.com/piskvorky/pazpar2/tree/master
05:00 libsysguy pazpar2 repo?
05:00 wahanui OK, libsysguy.
05:00 libsysguy wahanui pazpar2 repo is https://github.com/piskvorky/pazpar2/tree/master
04:59 libsysguy https://github.com/piskvorky/pazpar2/tree/master?
04:57 jcamins_away I do remember that I generally give up and _then_ find it, though.
04:56 jcamins_away I can't remember where their code is.
04:56 jcamins_away https://www.indexdata.com/pazpar2
04:56 libsysguy why is it not on github :p
04:56 jcamins_away Yes.
04:56 libsysguy is pazpar2 open source
04:55 libsysguy the package name is deceptive
04:55 libsysguy ah yes I see that now
04:55 libsysguy sad day
04:54 jcamins_away Sadly.
04:54 jcamins_away Nothing to do with the QueryParser we use.
04:54 jcamins_away Your options for PazPar2 would be to either A) write a CCL driver, or B) make PazPar2 work with the existing PQF driver (which, by the way, is kickass).
04:54 libsysguy there is a liblucene-queryparser-perl :p
04:53 jcamins_away Right, so that's why we need a Solr driver for QueryParser.
04:53 * libsysguy prefers to pass the pain and suffering on
04:53 jcamins_away (though I guess you could use yaz-proxy if you're the type of person who likes to suffer)
04:52 jcamins_away 'Cause that'd be dumb.
04:52 jcamins_away But that's why we don't send PQF to a Solr server.
04:52 libsysguy heh
04:52 jcamins_away Well... it does if you want to send a query to a Solr server.
04:52 jcamins_away PQF has none of these problems.
04:51 libsysguy i see
04:51 jcamins_away And CCL is a bad choice for user input because it requires that the user use a well-defined subset of CCL.
04:51 jcamins_away So CCL is a bad choice for communicating with the server because it requires special configuration for the parsing.
04:50 jcamins_away *and CCL (all CCL) requires...
04:50 jcamins_away The problem is that user-generated CCL is ambiguous, and requires a great deal of parsing somewhere other than in Koha.
04:50 jcamins_away CCL is "standard" as well.
04:50 libsysguy so pqf is standard…ccl is BS?
04:49 jcamins_away Right.
04:49 libsysguy kw; wdl lasers
04:49 libsysguy ah so what shows up when we do a search now
04:48 jcamins_away au,kw:Gaiman and ti:"American Gods"
04:48 eythian oh, no. I missed the bit of sanitisation that was hidden there. False alarm.
04:48 jcamins_away CCL looks like this:
04:48 huginn jcamins_away: downloading the Perl source
04:48 jcamins_away @and @attr 1=Author @attr 4=6 "Gaiman" @attr 1=Title "American Gods"
04:47 jcamins_away PQF looks like this:
04:47 wahanui pqf is Prefix Query Format or at http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF
04:47 jcamins_away pqf?
04:47 libsysguy but what is the difference between CCL and PQF
04:47 libsysguy and its probably just that I'm dumb
04:47 jcamins_away Why?
04:47 jcamins_away My favored solution would be to patch Pazpar2 to support PQF natively.
04:46 libsysguy so…I'm confused
04:46 jcamins_away Basically pazpar2 will repeat the parsing that we do with QP.
04:46 jcamins_away Yeah.
04:46 libsysguy I see in the pazpar doc there is pz:cclmap:xxx for mapping one thing to another
04:44 libsysguy ^^
04:44 jcamins_away eythian: color me... unsurprised. :(
04:44 libsysguy that would explain why its taking so long
04:44 eythian guys, I haven't tested it yet, but I think I found an SQL injection in the opac. I might test it. Probably a false alarm.
04:44 jcamins_away Why yes, that is a scan of a book printed in 1992.
04:43 libsysguy ah
04:43 jcamins_away http://www.niso.org/apps/group_public/download.php/6567/Common%20Command%20Language%20for%20Online%20Interactive%20Information%20Retrieval.pdf <-- CCL
04:43 jcamins_away Some sort of crazy "standard" invented by a guy named Cerner, probably.
04:43 jcamins_away I haven't the foggiest clue what that is.
04:42 jcamins_away Right...
04:42 libsysguy CCL is patterned after thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_Query_Language (SQL)
04:42 libsysguy after the first citation
04:42 libsysguy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerner_CCL
04:42 jcamins_away Where on Wikipedia did you see the comparison?
04:42 libsysguy shoot
04:42 jcamins_away I have a question.
04:42 jcamins_away Pazpar2 is pretty nice.
04:41 libsysguy i thought so :'(
04:41 jcamins_away That's the best I can think of.
04:41 libsysguy so would there be a more appropriate middleware for aggregating data our there?
04:40 jcamins_away It's actually possible to write a query that MySQL's query optimizer can't handle.
04:40 jcamins_away Well, SQL is usually unambiguous.
04:39 jcamins_away Except SQL is actually unambiguous if you're not stupid about table and column names.
04:39 libsysguy so it has to be true
04:39 libsysguy wikipedia did
04:39 jcamins_away I guess you could compare the two.
04:39 libsysguy so CCL ~= SQL for non-standard things
04:38 libsysguy I figured that out quickly
04:38 jcamins_away Did I ever say it was interesting? *Nooo*.
04:38 jcamins_away lol
04:38 * libsysguy can now sleep
04:37 * libsysguy is reading the documentation
04:37 * jcamins_away is not a fan of CCL.
04:37 jcamins_away And wahanui is absolutely right.
04:37 jcamins_away Oh, yeah, the syntax is CCL.
04:37 wahanui CCL is not a standard... It needs configuration
04:37 libsysguy CCL?
04:36 libsysguy that is what I was thinking
04:36 jcamins_away Presumably similar to the one used by yaz.
04:36 jcamins_away libsysguy: Pazpar2 has its own query parser.
04:36 eythian yeah
04:36 libsysguy what does pazpar2 use as its query parser now
04:36 cjh eythian: borrower history?
04:35 eythian fortunately as you never see the query in full, no one will know it's terrible :)
04:35 jcamins_away eythian: uh-oh.
04:35 * eythian writes Perl to write what is probably the ugliest single SQL query in Koha.
04:34 jcamins_away Alternatively, patch pazpar2 to support PQF.
04:34 libsysguy hmm
04:33 jcamins_away AKA not a stupid syntax
04:33 libsysguy ahh
04:33 jcamins_away No, I just wrote a driver for PQF.
04:33 libsysguy didn't you do that ;)
04:32 jcamins_away Just write a QueryParser driver.
04:32 jcamins_away Well, the good news is that it'd actually be really easy to do now.
04:32 jcamins_away Yeah, except it doesn't work now. :P
04:32 libsysguy I'm thinking of using it as middleware to zebra/solr/other sru data sources
04:32 libsysguy that is how it looks like it was set up now
04:32 libsysguy ah
04:31 jcamins_away He did it as federated searching on the side.
04:31 libsysguy as middleware jcamins?
04:30 jcamins_away libsysguy: apparently it doesn't work, and what rangi did was a proof-of-concept of using PazPar2 properly.
04:29 libsysguy is anybody familiar with pazpar2 as it pertains to Koha?
04:29 libsysguy but not in a way I think it was supposed to be implemented
04:29 libsysguy so I know pazpar2 is *in* koha
04:25 libsysguy but really
04:25 libsysguy jk
04:25 libsysguy my republican roots?
04:25 * jcamins_away wonders what libsysguy is disavowing.
04:24 jcamins_away [off] If a patch breaks something important and can be reverted, I will revert it. Period.
04:24 * libsysguy waives
02:37 wizzyrea ...
02:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
02:29 wajasu holy smokes. bug 8378
00:39 wizzyrea pretty only because I left.
00:39 cjh ooooohhhhhh
00:39 wizzyrea pft.
00:39 bag sorry
00:39 bag ha
00:39 bag I think A). it works B). that's pretty for Kansas :P
00:39 wizzyrea :)
00:39 wizzyrea hehe yes
00:39 bag well reply to khall than I'm guessing :)
00:38 eythian bag: you see, people come here and they get used to nice scenery.
00:38 bag heh
00:38 bag :P
00:38 bag oh you want pretty eh?
00:38 wizzyrea try that one
00:38 wizzyrea http://imgur.com/OCWCOpV
00:38 bag imageshack?
00:38 wizzyrea sorry, imageshack is not very helpful lots of clicking ew.
00:37 wizzyrea so I was going to suggest that he make it prettier :P
00:37 wizzyrea but it should be nicer.
00:36 wizzyrea and yes, other people have done it that way
00:36 wizzyrea and yes, you can see that something was done
00:36 wizzyrea this output is not pretty.
00:36 wizzyrea http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img132/1282/selection052.png
00:36 bag that's a small but - but a few periods
00:35 wizzyrea and sho nuff, the actions are logged... but...
00:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9293 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , action_logs not tracking payments
00:35 wizzyrea well I was looking at bug 9293
00:35 bag oh hi wizzyrea
00:35 wizzyrea oh hi bag
00:34 bag I currently wish I cold memorize the marc fields that are indexed by zebra
00:33 bag que pasa?
00:33 bag gone about 3.5 hours ago
00:33 bag nope
00:33 wizzyrea khall, longshot, but are you about?
00:04 dcook Worked like a charm. I'll have to post a patch once I redo my git config...
00:04 dcook gmcharlt++