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23:37 drojf rangi: i'm playing with the svc reports feature, but i wonder how to make it output json. any hints? i tried http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Count_of_all_items_and_broken_down_by_branch and get [["MED","Mediothek","19389"]]. i would have assumed something more like {"homebranch":"MED","branchname":"Mediothek","items":19389}?
22:59 oleonard See ya #koha
22:39 libsysguy heh np
22:39 rangi i know, thanks :)
22:39 libsysguy I was doing some QAA last night
22:39 libsysguy hehe
22:38 rangi some even awaiting qa :)
22:36 libsysguy enteresting
22:36 libsysguy oh
22:35 rangi most of it is on bugs
22:35 libsysguy rangi is jcamins query work in the OpenILS-QueryParser branch?
22:34 libsysguy heh
22:33 drojf either you ask the oracle or the runes. don't mix those things
22:33 libsysguy friggin typos everywhere today
22:33 libsysguy ugh
22:33 bag heh
22:33 bag runes?
22:32 libsysguy true, I wonder if it runes better on Oracles version
22:32 rangi libsysguy: still have to run a full java stack
22:32 libsysguy Moose mouse moo
22:31 wahanui somebody said moose was liking dumping every tool in the world into every module
22:31 wizzyrea moose?
22:31 libsysguy jcamins is hiding his work on his git.cp repo
22:31 bag isn't it a hungry moose and not pig :P
22:30 libsysguy heh well you can choke it if you'd like in the mem configs
22:30 rangi i guarantee ill still hate it for being a resource hungry pig, but ill look at it anyway :)
22:30 rangi solr again
22:29 rangi then ill look at
22:29 rangi im waiting for jareds search rewrite to finish, with the much saner/simpler parser
22:29 libsysguy fair enough
22:29 rangi its all there in master/3.10.x you can switch it on, but it needs a lot more features added to be comparable with zebra
22:28 libsysguy biblibre**
22:27 libsysguy is the biblibra work for solr still alive?
22:12 wahanui yesterday is probably all your troubles seemed so far away
22:12 wizzyrea yesterday?
22:12 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
22:12 wizzyrea yesterday is also all my troubles seemed so far away
22:12 wahanui yesterday is almost over for me, and it's been pretty awful.
22:12 wizzyrea well yesterday
22:11 cjh oh wow
22:11 wizzyrea indeed!
22:11 eythian that's a good effort
22:10 wizzyrea my grandma turns 103 today
22:09 wizzyrea good one
22:08 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:08 eythian wahanui: git guide is <reply>http://marklodato.github.com/visual-git-guide/index-en.html
22:05 cait and good night #koha
22:05 cait hi kathryn
22:00 wizzyrea yes, true.
22:00 oleonard Climate change is already way out of control, but I take your point wizzyrea
21:59 oleonard ...and snow predicted here for Thursday
21:59 wizzyrea yes, if it hits me, then climate change has gotten way out of control.
21:59 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 20.6°C (4:31 PM EST on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
21:59 oleonard @wunder 45701
21:59 wizzyrea or imminently
21:58 wizzyrea I think it's hitting now
21:58 eythian hopefully it doesn't hit wizzyrea
21:57 oleonard When is it due to hit wizzyrea?
21:57 oleonard We're naming winter storms now?
21:53 wizzyrea haha they named the winter storm that is about to hit Kansas "Magnus"
21:52 drojf looks like my spontanous idea to make SRU output JSON is doomed to failure.
21:37 cait lol
21:35 wizzyrea I had that edition, with that pic
21:33 libsysguy reddit ^^ ?
21:31 eythian http://imgur.com/AonBGUj
21:23 jcamins_away See the 3.8.7 release notes.
21:23 jcamins_away Also, DOM indexing was known not to work properly prior to 3.8.7.
21:22 jcamins_away wizzyrea: probably not.
21:22 wizzyrea jcamins_away: is that documented?
21:22 libsysguy 3.8.5
21:22 cait libsysguy: which version are they using?
21:22 jcamins_away You should never not be using the -x option.
21:21 libsysguy it seems that to get the fast indexer to work with the barcode you must pass the -x option
21:21 libsysguy maybe not
21:20 libsysguy si
21:20 jcamins_away Fast indexer = rebuild_zebra -z?
21:19 libsysguy when I do a full index it works fine
21:19 libsysguy I think there might be an issue with the fast indexer and dom
21:19 libsysguy I have a library that is running dom, and for some reason they can periodically search for barcodes
21:18 wizzyrea hehe
21:18 libsysguy sorry, is that not what we were doing?
21:18 libsysguy grr zebra indexer
21:17 wizzyrea gr, stinky laptop
21:16 * oleonard is not working at his normal location today and laptop is being difficult
21:14 cait well done cjh++ and wizzyrea++ :)
21:13 cjh xD
21:13 wizzyrea :)
21:13 wizzyrea he's pretty enthusiastic about the project
21:12 wizzyrea and if we can get him set up properly, he can do work at home too if he wants
21:12 wizzyrea and he may come in for several hours during that
21:12 cjh it sounded like he may still do some work at home, but no idea on times for that.
21:12 wizzyrea he has afternoon study period at 2pm our time on MOndays
21:11 wizzyrea he's working out when he can come to Catalyst - his school term just started
21:10 wizzyrea then maybe a better plan would be to declare what toolbars we are going to do
21:10 oleonard wizzyrea: When will Corey return?
21:10 oleonard wizzyrea: There are a lot of examples of toolbars which aren't used on a lot of pages which could be quickly "upgraded"
21:09 jcamins_away And to make good use of his time.
21:09 wizzyrea we just want corey to feel helpful
21:09 wizzyrea oleonard: we can do it however makes sense
21:08 oleonard wizzyrea: My next step is to revive some code I did a couple months ago on a Bootstrap toolbar. Needs some heavy rebasing
21:08 cait don't want to overcomplicate this if possible
21:08 cait hm if it's doable
21:07 eythian cait: sure, but every button still has to have its code written.
21:07 cjh bootstrap buttons are really just css classes and ids
21:07 cait i see
21:07 cait ah
21:07 cjh eythian: awesome idea, that way we can easily rip out bootstrap and replace with something else
21:07 cait we got includes for the toolbars now and the styling is central anyway
21:07 cait I am not sure how bootstrap buttons work and if we win a lot with it
21:07 eythian So when we want to move to jquery-ng buttons 5 years from now, there's only one place to worry about.
21:07 oleonard wizzyrea: Yeah, I don't have any specific plan to do custom styles on the buttons at this point, just trying to get things working in Bootstrap
21:06 eythian cait: oh, so instead of putting the HTML in for a button, you could just refer to a T::T module that does it for you. That way all buttons share common code.
21:06 wizzyrea then, much like what happened with the toolbar, clean it up and style it like koha? maybe that's not practical
21:05 wizzyrea I mean, page by page, swap out the YUI for bootstrap standard buttons
21:05 drojf [off] i sent them an email a while back and wanted to know what library systems they were going to use to set up libraries with the money people donate. they took weeks to answer and said "we can't say generally, without knowing which project you mean". i did not answer since it sounded as if they did not want to be asked anything
21:05 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm not sure what you mean by eradicating YUI... I think the only way we can do it is to do it piece by piece so nothing is broken
21:05 cait i was referring to the TT stuff :)
21:05 jcamins_away lol
21:04 eythian if you remove the borders from a librarian, there's nothing to keep them in a people-shape.
21:04 rangi eythian: only when confronted by a publishers unreasonable demands, that seems to be the natural response
21:04 cait eythian: ?
21:04 eythian rangi: wouldn't they just collapse in a jelly-like heap on the ground?
21:04 rangi its all very confusing :)
21:04 cait oleonard: could you start in circulation maybe?
21:04 eythian oleonard: is it possible to make T::T modules for buttons, so the actual definitions are centralised?
21:04 rangi theres librarians without borders too
21:03 jcamins_away [off] I didn't even know that. I dislike them because they sent out a plea for help, and then when I offered to make arrangements to have exactly what they asked for done, they suddenly vanished off the face of the earth, and when I followed up they said "thank you very much, but we've basically decided we're not doing any charitable work."
21:03 wizzyrea would it be helpful if corey kind of eradicated the yui, then you can go through and style it?
21:03 rangi [off] the canadian one anyway
21:03 oleonard wizzyrea: The next thing I want to start tackling is replacing YUI buttons, split buttons, and menu buttons. I think that means taking it on toolbar-by-toolbar basis
21:02 rangi [off] oleonard it seems to be a front for lexis nexis
21:02 cait :)
21:02 cait and hope for the next version to fix it for good
21:01 cait I think I will change the templates for now - make it links
21:01 cjh \o/
21:01 cait [off] got a mail today about the accessibility issues with the current menus and buttons :(
21:01 cait oleonard: is there something we can help with? I would really like to see bootstrap in 3.12
21:00 wizzyrea so you're not duplicating effort
21:00 cjh oleonard++
21:00 wizzyrea work - what do you think is the best way to go about that?
21:00 wizzyrea our student is going to be coming back on mondays (I think) to do more
20:59 wizzyrea thanks for looking and doing that bootstrap stuff
20:59 wizzyrea oh hey oleonard
20:59 oleonard [off] What is the bad reputation for?
20:58 jcamins_away [off] No, you're thinking of Libraries without borders, which is Canadian.
20:57 drojf [off] isn't that this 'charity' with the bad reputation?
20:51 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha et "Bibliothèques Sans Frontières" http://t.co/Tr11TzO2"
20:42 jcamins_away cait: hehe.
20:42 cait jcamins_away: you could try to persuade them to move to koha :)
20:40 * jcamins_away would look to see if they had other books he wanted to read, except the catalog wouldn't help anyway.
20:39 eythian yeah, you should read it, it's good.
20:37 rangi heh
20:37 jcamins_away Thankfully it's fiction so the fact that I can't tell based on the catalog doesn't matter.
20:37 rangi ahh its a good read
20:37 jcamins_away I've never read it.
20:37 jcamins_away Maybe I'll see if they have a copy of American Gods.
20:34 jcamins_away Argh! I can't use this stupid catalog.
20:32 eythian why thank you jcamins_away
20:32 jcamins_away I'll be leaving shortly.
20:32 jcamins_away Yay!
20:32 eythian hi
20:32 cait jcamins_away: guess you got drawn here because i am going to look at the query parser again :)
20:32 wizzyrea uh
20:31 rangi heh
20:31 jcamins_away [off] I wanted to know if they had a book!
20:31 chris_n [off] jcamins_away just can't stay away from library foo in spite of being on vacation :-)
20:31 jcamins_away [off] http://inland.librarycatalog.info/ <-- wtf?
20:30 rangi [off] yeah it gets awesome ranking .. i wonder if thats honeymoon period
20:30 jcamins_away [off] Other than a complete lack of awareness that people go to a library website when they want to use the catalog?
20:29 wizzyrea that's drupal
20:29 jcamins_away [off] Also, Polaris _sucks_.
20:29 cait [off] hmm, wonder what it is made with
20:28 rangi heh
20:27 jcamins_away [off] What not to do when making a library website: http://rivlib.info/palm-desert-library/
20:19 rangi back
19:54 * cait goe to tidy up her kitchen
19:49 cait should be possible to replace with a perl module?
19:49 cait oleonard: but I agree it seems a bit weird
19:47 cait I think one of the print things uses it already
19:47 cait oleonard: not sur ethat the python-pisa is new tho
19:47 oleonard Yeah
19:47 cait oleonard: also peopl eare supposed to create a htaccess file?
19:46 cait oh
19:46 cait h
19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Discharge management
19:45 oleonard Bug 8007 introduces a python dependency. That seems odd.
19:27 cait oleonard++ :)
19:22 mib_y9ooho well thanks for been so friendly and helpfull :) ima work on a diferent part of koha till they come back tomorrow
19:20 mib_y9ooho yeah and they making me fix it for free -.-
19:19 oleonard They built you a car with no engine mib_y9ooho :)
19:18 mib_y9ooho thanks
19:18 mib_y9ooho humm ok
19:18 oleonard mib_y9ooho: The people who installed Koha should come back and confirm that it is installed correctly and that Zebra is running
19:18 oleonard mib_y9ooho: That rebuilds the Zebra index if Zebra is already running
19:17 mib_y9ooho this command? misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v
19:16 mib_y9ooho even if its just a little help its better then sitting in the dark :S
19:16 alohabot Hi mib_pueqov, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
19:16 mib_y9ooho erhmm nop -.- idk how they really want me to work, but if u can tell what to do ill just get them to do it
19:15 oleonard Do you have command-line access to the server?
19:14 mib_y9ooho good question -.- im just conf. koha i didnt install it, im a student from my university and they made me config and ready koha for the library, but i didnt get to install or do any of the things before, is there any way i can check?
19:12 oleonard mib_y9ooho: Zebra is running?
19:11 mib_y9ooho ok so i read the FAQ and didnt really help fix my problem, lets say i got everything at default, i still cant search for my books ... :/
19:09 oleonard Heh, sorry :)
19:09 oleonard 33000000072326
19:09 mib_y9ooho only thing i changed was this "biblionumber 001 @ control field" so i could search for books, im looking ate the faq
19:09 oleonard mib_y9ooho: I would leave your mapping as it was by default and check out the search faq
19:09 cait mib_y9ooho: don't change it
19:07 mib_y9ooho im importing the DB from DocBase btw
19:07 wahanui search faq is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
19:07 oleonard search faq?
19:07 oleonard Koha to MARC mapping is not usually the cause of failed search
19:06 mib_y9ooho cause ^
19:06 mib_y9ooho so, if left at default i cant search, im using Koha 3.08.06.000
19:06 oleonard Why did you change it?
19:05 mib_y9ooho i get this error in the test "The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield," after changing the the biblionumber to 001 , if i leave it to default i dont get error but i cant find anything in my DB
19:03 mib_y9ooho humm ok
19:03 oleonard You can ask again mib_y9ooho, but I don't know if anyone new has appeared who can answer
19:02 mib_y9ooho (got dc'ed a few minutes ago)
19:02 mib_y9ooho hi looking for help on mapping errors
19:02 alohabot Hi mib_y9ooho, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
18:53 mib_bz9hrr hi, im looking for help on error from marc mapping
18:52 alohabot Hi mib_bz9hrr, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
18:41 rangi Be back after wellylibfast
18:41 rangi Ok my stop
18:40 cait aah
18:40 rangi It's shorts I'm low on
18:40 rangi I have about 50
18:38 cait you don't have more than 5 t-shirts? :)
18:33 rangi 5th day in a row, I don't have a wardrobe designed for this kind of weather
18:32 rangi Hehe, there's not a single cloud anywhere
18:31 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on January 30, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
18:31 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:29 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:29 rangi Morning
18:15 jcamins_away lol
18:15 * druthb whistles innocently
18:15 * cait hides
18:14 huginn druthb: Quote #232: "<cait> oh... i miss myshkin <cait> I mean jared.. of course" (added by druthb at 06:31 PM, January 28, 2013)
18:14 druthb @quote get 232
18:14 jcamins_away I had an inspiration about what I wanted to serve for dinner on February 23.
18:14 cait you are getting thta bored already? :)
18:13 jcamins_away And once I had found out, I thought y'all might need to know that.
18:13 jcamins_away But I had the desperate need to find out where to buy bok choi!
18:13 cait oh?
18:13 jcamins_away cait: in New York.
18:13 cait and you are on vacation!!
18:12 jcamins_away tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing
18:12 tcohen ah, you're on vacation!
18:12 jcamins_away I meant...
18:12 cait in california? :)
18:12 jcamins_away tcohen: sorry, wrong link.
18:12 cait bok choy?
18:12 jcamins_away tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server
18:12 jcamins_away I have found the place to buy Bok Choy! :D
18:04 tcohen (a Koha's zebra biblio DB)
18:03 tcohen how do I search for a title using yaz?
17:45 mib_e0nfj0 any1?
17:36 mib_e0nfj0 cant*
17:36 mib_e0nfj0 hi, i got a problem with koha mapping, it says "The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield" in the test,but if i continue using the default settings and using Koha version: 3.08.06.000, i can do any searches :S any sugestions?
17:33 Dyrcona It used to.
17:33 oleonard Old bot that didn't do anything before I don't think
17:33 oleonard Nice enhancement to alohabot
17:32 rambutan new bot?
17:32 alohabot Hi mib_e0nfj0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
17:32 oleonard That comes in quarts? :)
17:32 Dyrcona No, a quart of Pabtz Blue Ribbon.
17:31 oleonard Replace that bottle with a 2-liter of Mountain Dew?
17:31 Dyrcona Minus the royal title.... ;)
17:31 Dyrcona Reminds me of my childhood in Hillbillyvania.
17:28 * libsysguy accepts oleonards proposal
17:28 reiveune bye
17:28 oleonard I'll commit only to searching for the details of any unsourced images referencing French stereotypes
17:27 oleonard :P
17:27 liw we have not come to damn searching skills, we have come to praise them. /me nominates oleonard as the #koha dedicated search engine
17:20 libsysguy damn you and your searching skills oleonard
17:19 oleonard More unsourced notes: http://catacombes.tumblr.com/post/34289215095
17:18 oleonard I think Germany if the caption is correct: http://washingtonpoststyle.tumblr.com/post/3072478548/princess-yvonne-and-prince-alexander-of
17:16 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
17:16 libsysguy @later tell paul_p: http://i.imgur.com/k4zJ43F.jpg
17:15 libsysguy I was just about to link paul_p to this: http://i.imgur.com/k4zJ43F.jpg
17:15 libsysguy dang it
17:10 drojf that would make a cool cluster
17:06 gerundio http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3158
17:06 gerundio btw, just read that Google gave a grath worth $1M to donate 15k PIs to U.K. schoolkids
17:05 gerundio I think it was when drojf got his
17:05 drojf rambutan: jcamins_away and magnus_away got some too :)
17:05 gerundio we've talked about it the other day
17:04 rambutan gerundio: there are actually a few of us RPi owners on the board here. I've got two, my tech assistant has 1 or 2, and drojf works with them too
16:57 gerundio off-topic: for the Raspberry PI owners out there - http://xbmc.org/natethomas/2013/01/29/xbmc-12-0-frodo/
16:50 kf bye all :)
16:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "thanx to pierre, who translated http://t.co/2Q8KBam8 #kohails"
16:40 gerundio everyday a new surprise :s
16:40 gerundio someone imported MARC frameworks from a 3.2 koha setup into our own 3.8 setup to use as starting point
16:39 gerundio oleonard, the mistery just got solved
16:37 gerundio even so in the MARC framework editor, field 606$a was showing a reference to it
16:36 gerundio right oleonard, I found no traces of it anywhere
16:35 oleonard gerundio: I don't think bibliosubject is used anymore
16:34 gerundio does field bibliosubject.subject mean anything to anyone?
16:33 gerundio just got a new one in :s
16:33 gerundio kf, np, thanks anyway :)
16:33 kf I have never poked around in that code so far
16:32 kf gerundio: I think youmight better ask someone else
16:32 gerundio even so, do you feel capable of helping me figure out how to enable the script to update items records too?
16:31 kf I have never run it myself I have to say
16:31 gerundio right
16:31 kf gerundio: I think that only applies if you do changes on biblioitems/biblio
16:12 gerundio kf do you recall telling me that I should always run the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script after making changes in the Koha to MARC mapping?
16:00 kf :)
15:59 magnuse i just say "here are the release notes"...
15:59 kf :P
15:59 magnuse and don't lag behind the versions ;-)
15:59 magnuse write test scripts!
15:58 kf and that's pretty overwhelming :)
15:58 kf but right now I just think what I have to go though in testing and documenting
15:58 kf hehe yeah
15:58 magnuse that's good, right?
15:58 kf we keep changing so many thigns!!
15:57 kf totally overwhelmed
15:57 kf going through the release notes for 3.8 and 3.10
15:57 kf hi oleonard :)
15:55 oleonard Hi kf
15:49 jcamins_away You would need to generate authorities from the CSV file.
15:48 skk for new books it automatically creates authority records but the old retrospective data which is already imported into koha we were wondering hw to make them available in authority database as well
15:47 jcamins_away You would need to create authority records and load those.
15:46 jcamins_away No. Authority records and bibliographic records are completely different things.
15:46 skk we imported lot of data from excel to marc 21 and then to koha. when we try to check authority records it says no results. is there any way to get these records searched by authority database as well
15:44 oleonard Yes
15:43 gerundio but the overall result is very messy?
15:43 gerundio so conflicts are to be expected
15:43 gerundio that's standard behavior, bootstrap uses very common class names
15:42 oleonard I say conflicts meaning styles we have defined which Bootstrap defines differently.
15:41 oleonard Yes. There are a fair amount of conflicts, and of course the grid system doesn't work without HTML changes.
15:41 gerundio have you simply try to use bootstrap CSS to overide koha's current styles and see how it looked?
15:40 oleonard gerundio: That would be a pretty huge undertaking
15:40 oleonard gerundio: We don't have any plans at this point to convert the staff client to use the Bootstrap grid
15:38 gerundio everything looks good in desktop, laptops, mobiles and tablets
15:38 gerundio I've been using it in a new internal project and I must say it's so good to be able to abstract myself from the look & feel of it
15:37 gerundio cool
15:37 oleonard gerundio: We are beginning to incorporate elements of Bootstrap
15:36 gerundio am I reading correctly, is Koha going to adopt Bootstrap soon?
15:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
15:28 oleonard Speaking of Bootstrap, QAing, etc: Now is a great time to remember Bug 9265!
15:26 libsysguy ^^
15:25 jcamins_away oleonard: the former. If someone felt like starting to move things, that'd be great.
15:24 oleonard jcamins_away: can wait, or should wait?
15:23 jcamins_away oleonard: well, moving things that are already in prog/en can wait, but since it has to be done eventually, we might as well start with Bootstrap in the right place.
15:23 libsysguy I was
15:23 libsysguy yes
15:23 jcamins_away libsysguy: weren't you just QAing things six hours ago?
15:23 libsysguy that should make it easier to be cached right?
15:22 oleonard I guess I didn't realize we were ready to start moving things to intranet-tmpl/lib. There's a fair amount of stuff that can be easily moved
15:10 jcamins_away Yeah.
15:10 * oleonard is looking at Templates.pm
15:10 jcamins_away [% interface %]
15:10 oleonard Hm, looks like maybe "interface?"
15:10 jcamins_away oleonard: good question!
15:09 oleonard jcamins_away: Do we have a template variable for just "/intranet-tmpl/" or do we hard code it?
14:53 magnuse H++
14:53 H well copy'ing can go wrong so i hope it wont ;)
14:53 drojf congratulations H
14:52 H Hey Koha ... almost there i asked to copy our koha to the production environment and afther that it will be online (test server has all the data in it now (it was a fight)) ... thx already to all tips we got in the chat room :)
14:47 magnuse cool!
14:47 liw (including giving one of the keynotes last year)
14:47 liw a few times
14:47 magnuse been there before?
14:46 magnuse yay
14:46 liw I am
14:45 magnuse liw: not i. are you?
14:24 liw any Koha people going to FOSDEM?
14:24 gerundio but I don't see them being used anywhere
14:23 gerundio the source code has some references to @items, which are processed for each biblio
14:20 gerundio but nothing to work the updates on the data stored in the items table
14:20 gerundio I've looked into the script source code and noticed that the localNEWmodbiblio function calls C4::Biblio::_koha_modify_biblio and C4::Biblio::_koha_modify_biblioitem_nonmarc
14:19 gerundio but running the script doesn't update the items' columns values with the values stored in the XML
14:18 gerundio I've done Koha to MARC mapping for some items' table columns
14:17 gerundio anyone here is familiarized with the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script?
14:15 drojf so what is our policay on MARC changes? should that in theory be up to date or do we want to retain backwards compatibility for people that catalogued their comic books pre-2008?
14:13 magnuse lol
14:10 drojf thanks for ending your holiday early to tell me this, jcamins_away. it was not that important though ;)
14:10 * chris_n tells jcamins_away to get back to vacation ;-)
14:09 jcamins_away drojf: it was obsoleted in 2008.
14:06 drojf it may have been in an older MARC version. i found several differences between LOC and kohas XSLT file
14:05 magnuse drojf: "git blame" will tell you :-)
14:04 drojf who of you geeks smuggled 'comic books' into 008/33:literary form for books? LOC does not have that field ;)
13:31 drojf get off my librarylawn
13:31 * drojf wonders if it is fullmoon or why all the patrons talk all the time today
13:30 drojf hi oleonard
13:23 oleonard Hi #koha
12:22 gerundio kf do you recall telling me that I should always run the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script after making changes in the Koha to MARC mapping?
12:20 drojf ready or not, here i come
12:02 tcohen morrrning #koha
11:36 magnuse yup biblibre++
11:29 kf biblibre++
11:08 kf skk: you could add your version and the behavioru there - it could help getting it fixed
11:07 kf oh right, I reported that
11:07 * kf has a de ja vu
11:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8684 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken
11:07 kf bug 8684
11:06 skk hmm 8684 number has reported this issue
11:05 wahanui well, bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
11:05 kf bugs?
11:05 kf skk: maybe try checking bugzilla?
11:05 kf hm I think there was a bug with that, but not sure which version
11:03 skk 3.8.6
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10:51 gerundio cya later, good luck with that
10:51 drojf anyway, to the library. later. /o/
10:50 drojf parse xml that i get from SRU. apparently it does not like namespace prefixes
10:49 gerundio what are you trying to do, maybe I or someone else here can help
10:49 gerundio just making a Pearl Jam song quote that fits the situation
10:48 gerundio ehehe
10:48 drojf so far i don't see how
10:48 drojf gerundio: it's only evolution if it works now
10:47 gerundio drojf, it's evolution
10:42 kf bad at explaining probably :)
10:42 kf ah and yes, for unmapped fields that have not their own column in the items table they end up in more_subfields_xml
10:42 drojf wow, jquery sucks. i found like 10 solutions for a problem and each stopped working in a later version.
10:42 gerundio kf, no problem, that's IRC ;) you were of great help
10:41 kf gerundio: sorry, at work, can't always pay attention here
10:41 kf skk: which version are you looking at?
10:39 gerundio kf++ magnuse++ ModItem({'homebranch' => 'FCT'}, $biblionumber, $itemnumber); did the trick
10:39 skk without any barvode
10:39 skk i am trying to set UniqueItemfields as barcode but it does not seem to work. I tried adding one accession number and then ordering new book and giving same accession number system does not give any message but keeps that item as blank
10:36 gerundio so, replacing all that code for something like ModItem({'homebranch' => 'FCT'}, $biblionumber, $itemnumber); should be enough?
10:32 kf mappings are irrelevant
10:31 gerundio unless we're dealing with unmapped fields, right?
10:31 kf for indexing, koha takes the contents of the items table and adds it to the marcxml record. for each line in items, there is one 995 field.
10:31 kf item data in koha is stored in the items table.
10:31 kf forget about more_subfields_xml
10:31 kf yes, you should have homebranch and holdingbranch set
10:30 gerundio since they are mapped to each other I wan't to set it
10:30 kf gerundio: I think there is a basic misunderstanding how koha works
10:30 gerundio no 995$b in more_subfields_xml and homebranch is NULL
10:30 gerundio kf, take a look at that MySQL item record
10:29 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "MySQL item record with no 995$b nor homebranch set" (57 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/373
10:28 kf a 995 indicates an item and I think you only want to update incomplete item records?
10:28 kf I think that is not right
10:28 kf why would you add the field? when there is no titem?
10:27 gerundio so, there is a item
10:27 gerundio wait the item record exists
10:27 gerundio $record->insert_fields_ordered($field);
10:27 gerundio );
10:27 gerundio 'b' => 'FCT'
10:27 gerundio '995', '', '',
10:27 gerundio $field = MARC::Field->new(
10:27 gerundio that's why I add it with
10:26 kf that's what we are trying to tell you :)
10:25 kf if there is no 995 there is no item
10:25 gerundio I need to update 995$b but there's no 995 tag
10:25 gerundio but the field doesn't even exist in this case
10:24 gerundio I have
10:21 magnuse maybe have a look at C4::Items::ModItem() ?
10:20 gerundio though this is the 1st time I have to add a full field
10:20 gerundio magnuse, I've done it before in other scripts
10:19 magnuse i agree with kf - i think the only place you can edit the item info is in the db
10:15 gerundio by using Koha library methods I'm sure not to break indexes
10:14 gerundio no direct SQL injection
10:14 gerundio kf, that's what I'm avoiding
10:14 kf because items are not stored together with the bibliographic information
10:14 gerundio kf, thanks anyway :)
10:14 kf for item information it might be enough to update the items table with sql and do a complete reindex
10:14 kf gerundio: I am sorry, I have never written or used a script like that - I am not sure
10:13 gerundio regarding your comment on zebraqueue, by using ModBiblio I'm making sure that it will updated there, right?
10:12 gerundio what is the correct way to update this
10:12 gerundio not sure I understand
10:11 kf but that's nothing to do with the marcxml later on
10:11 kf there it's 999
10:11 kf yep
10:10 gerundio you mean items' more_subfields_xml
10:10 kf not sure I can explain that right
10:10 kf that is only the additional fields
10:10 kf that is marc_subfields_xml
10:10 wahanui not even that is cold :)
10:10 kf hm not even that
10:10 gerundio is that it?
10:10 gerundio right, it saves as 999
10:10 gerundio 3-> subfield 995$b already exists
10:10 gerundio 2 -> tag 995 exists, subfield b doesn't
10:09 kf never
10:09 kf gerundio: in the database there is no 995 in marcxml
10:09 gerundio 1 -> tag doesn't exist
10:09 kf not sure your script will make it go to zebraqueue too
10:09 gerundio I made code for all the conditions I remembered
10:09 gerundio but the parent field doesn't even exist in this case
10:08 kf I mean there shoudl be routines to update item related information
10:08 magnuse good point from kf
10:08 kf maybe instead of using the bilbio functions you could look into items?
10:08 gerundio should ^^
10:08 gerundio as it shoudl
10:08 kf I think we only put item information to the marcxml for indexing?
10:08 kf maybe it that is true?
10:08 kf hm
10:08 gerundio so if (!$field) returns true
10:07 magnuse huh :-)
10:07 gerundio none of them as the 995 tag
10:07 magnuse oops :-=
10:07 gerundio all records fall into the 1st condition
10:07 gerundio magnuse, it isn't doing anything
10:07 magnuse gerundio: how *is* it working? what is it doing that you did not expect?
10:07 gerundio ..oo(gotta love all that messed up MS integration!!)
10:06 gerundio 995$b is mapped to that column
10:06 kf *shudder*
10:06 kf word decided to open links in ie suddenly
10:06 kf ew
10:06 gerundio for the records from the items table that don't have the homebranch as NULL
10:05 gerundio it should update 995$b to the value FCT
10:05 kf I think you want to update all items to have complete information?
10:05 kf or not do :)
10:05 kf gerundio: what does it do?
10:04 gerundio can anyone take a look and find out why it isn't working as expected?
10:04 gerundio I'm using that code snippet in a script to update subfield 995$b / item's homebranc
10:03 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Update subfield 995$b / item's homebranch" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/372
10:03 kf oh no
10:02 * paul_p still recovering from flu. one full week AFK...
10:02 paul_p nice about tickets to marseille ;-)
10:02 paul_p hello kf.
09:59 kf paul_p: my train tickets to marseille arrived :)
09:59 kf morning paul_p
09:59 kf drojf: what are you trying to do?
09:57 drojf i would probably take dublin core ;)
09:56 magnuse process marcxml with javascript? sounds scary... ;-)
09:54 drojf hm. SRU works fine, unfortunately i am too stupid to read the data with javascript/jquery :(
09:41 drojf lol
09:39 kf ah riht, you did that :)
09:39 huginn kf: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
09:39 kf @karma Search.pm
09:39 magnuse hehe, i think people tend to agree with you, kf
09:39 huginn drojf: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
09:39 drojf @karma Search.pm
09:38 huginn magnuse: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 32 times for a total karma of -32.
09:38 magnuse @karma C4::Search
09:38 kf drojf: lol
09:38 kf I think most of our problems stem from Search.pm
09:38 drojf meh. so we got >0°. and to celebrate that, we got rain
09:38 kf jcamins is on vacation, but he could tell you :)
09:36 drojf there is a smart way to use zebra? :D
09:35 kf not its fault when we don't use it in a smart way
09:34 kf it's like with zebra
09:34 kf I like it
09:34 kf xslt++
09:33 magnuse ;-)
09:33 magnuse xslt--
09:32 magnuse includes++
09:31 kf and we coudl use the same for results and detail
09:31 kf we would still need 2 files, but there is no point in having all the code in there I think
09:31 kf like utils
09:31 kf drojf: what woudl be cool would be to make it an include
09:31 kf drojf: I had a complaint of one of our libraries for the wrong symbol showing... I tried but got so confused I ran out screaming
09:30 magnuse and there is tons of copy-and-paste between the xslt files...
09:30 kf drojf: yeah
09:28 drojf good night libsysguy
09:28 libsysguy gnight all
09:28 libsysguy I think that means I can finish for tongiht
09:28 drojf :D
09:28 drojf recycle bin?
09:28 libsysguy okay I'm at 10 for th emonth
09:28 kf the code needs... lots of ....
09:28 drojf :P
09:28 drojf yeah i know, it's cool, right???
09:28 kf yep exactly that
09:27 drojf also i wonder why there is one staff client xslt that uses like 10 subfields and the others use only 008/21
09:27 kf drojf: you will be happy to know that result list and detail pages work differently
09:27 drojf i hate that field
09:27 drojf kf: well, i don't know. something that is less painful than searching through all the weird constraints in the file :D
09:26 libsysguy but I do need to sleep soon
09:26 * magnuse shouts #marcmustdie at the top of his lungs
09:26 libsysguy I'm trying to catch you for QA
09:26 kf libsysguy: go to bed!
09:26 kf lol
09:26 libsysguy only gently
09:26 kf graphic?
09:26 * drojf kicks MARC gently in the balls
09:26 magnuse not that i know of
09:25 drojf there wouldn't be some kind of graphic representation available of what koha xslt files do with the controlfields? i'm mainly looking into 008 at the moment but other fields may follow
09:25 kf magnuse++
09:14 gerundio kf :)
09:12 kf morning gerundio
09:10 gerundio good morning
09:04 magnuse :-)
09:02 kf um thx?
09:01 magnuse kf++ for filing bugs in her sleep :-)
08:57 gaetan_B yep
08:57 kf gaetan_B: you could give it a little nudge maybe
08:57 gaetan_B :)
08:57 kf oops and it was me
08:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9338 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 'Empty' patron search no longer returns all patrons
08:57 gaetan_B kf: ah yes it' is filed bug 9338 :)
08:56 kf1 not sure it's filed yet, but we talked about it in irc some evening with liz
08:55 kf1 gaetan_B: I think it's a bug
08:45 gaetan_B in 3.8 leaving the search field blank in the patrons module and validating the form used to return the complete list of borrowers, in 3.10 it says "no results found" is it the intended behaviour ?*
08:45 drojf gluten free is harder, i'll win :D
08:45 kf although I would prefer if you did not throw your gluten free ones in my direction but normal cookies :P
08:44 kf with
08:44 kf hm
08:44 drojf is that a battle with cookies, or for cookies?
08:44 kf can we have a cookie battle?
08:44 kf goofy morning is fine for me :)
08:43 drojf lol. hey magnuse
08:43 magnuse goofy morning, drojf!
08:43 drojf hi kf
08:43 drojf we'll see about the goof part :D
08:42 kf morning drojf
08:42 drojf good
08:42 drojf err
08:42 drojf goof morning
08:40 magnuse mohahaha
08:34 * kf is totally freaked out
08:32 magnuse kf: yeah we decided to try and freak you out by prending we are not here
08:29 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.9°C (9:25 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
08:29 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:29 kf and now it's deadly silent in here? :)
08:24 kf back :)
08:22 gaetan_B hello
08:04 libsysguy heck its 2 am my time
08:04 libsysguy its 3 am his time
08:04 libsysguy I think khall just bounced
07:53 reiveune hi :)
07:52 magnuse bonjour reiveune and khall
07:51 reiveune hello
07:44 rangi lol
07:44 magnuse rangi: more food related traffic news from norway: here's 35 tons of cod liver oil blocking the road http://www.an.no/nyheter/article6467382.ece ;-)
07:43 magnuse bag++
07:43 libsysguy bag is nice enough to let me have a community day :D
07:43 libsysguy yeah, typically the only time I really get to do it is friday
07:42 rangi yeah thats backed up a bit
07:42 libsysguy we probably need that more than SO
07:42 libsysguy I can do some QAA
07:42 rangi :)
07:42 libsysguy heh
07:42 libsysguy something about the dead of night with no distractions
07:42 magnuse libsysguy: round off with two signoffs to make it a perfect day :-)
07:42 libsysguy and for that I am truely sorry
07:42 libsysguy I feel like its been awhile since I've submitted good code
07:41 Oak libsysguy++
07:41 magnuse libsysguy++
07:41 Oak Guten morgen cait
07:41 libsysguy w00t 2 patches submitted in an hour
07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Grains. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady).
07:41 cait hi Oak :)
07:41 magnuse @wunder boo
07:41 Oak :)
07:40 magnuse :-)
07:40 Oak magnuse
07:40 magnuse Oak
07:40 magnuse karasjok is 26 degrees less cold than yesterday :-)
07:40 * Oak waves
07:40 cait ok :) bbl!
07:40 cait nice
07:40 cait aah
07:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.6°C (8:35 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
07:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Karasjok, Norway is -12.2°C (8:37 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Rising).
07:39 magnuse @wunder Karasjok
07:37 libsysguy argh who changed mine
07:37 wahanui you are dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets
07:37 libsysguy libsysguy?
07:37 libsysguy hah
07:37 magnuse or the james bond evil villain laugh
07:37 wahanui it has been said that libsysguy is dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets
07:37 libsysguy libsysguy
07:37 magnuse yup
07:36 libsysguy is that the Norwegian belly laugh
07:36 magnuse moahaha
07:35 wahanui rumour has it magnuse is a Norwegian giant
07:35 rangi hey magnuse
07:34 magnuse evening rangi
07:31 cait evening
07:29 rangi evening
07:29 rangi any instances of that need to die, there is a bug for it, but id do it as a separate patch
07:04 * libsysguy is not touching that
07:03 cait yeah it shouldn't use that
06:55 libsysguy why can't it just post like a well behaved fuction
06:54 libsysguy heh indeed, it uses CGI::scrolling_list
06:54 magnuse and not just because what it saves is MARC? ;-)
06:47 libsysguy it saves weird
06:47 cait oh hm
06:42 * libsysguy is trying to figure out how to do that :-/
06:41 libsysguy we have a request for a save and contine editing option in addbiblio
06:40 magnuse hehe
06:40 libsysguy and I need to be delirious to be working in addbiblio.pl
06:40 libsysguy the best code is written late at night
06:40 libsysguy so I'm patching instead
06:40 libsysguy I should…but I can't
06:39 cait morning magnuse :)
06:39 cait libsysguy: shouldn't you be sleeping?
06:38 * magnuse waves
06:38 libsysguy morning cait
06:38 cait good morning libsysguy :)
06:38 libsysguy cait!
06:27 libsysguy anybody else seeing some slowness with gitbz attaches
04:56 mtj … and item.itemnotes is mapped to 952z, too
04:55 huginn mtj: General note
04:55 mtj @marc 500 a
04:54 mtj marc 500a
04:54 mtj hmm, im wrong - only biblio.notes is mapped, to 500a
04:50 mtj eythian, yes… i think both are mapped to a marc framework subfield
04:20 eythian so there's biblio.notes and biblioitems.notes. Are they actually both used ever?
03:15 eythian wahanui: spell gud is <reply>Possible spellings for gud: Gd bud cud dud IUD mud gad god gum gun Gus gut guy
02:57 rangi talljoy++
02:54 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington-central/8236773/Hobbit-artist-captures-Mt-Vic-moonrise
02:11 * wizzyrea nods
02:11 wahanui second sign of madness is, like, hairs on the palms of my hands
02:11 wizzyrea second sign of madness?
01:54 wahanui madness is manyfold - ask me for the second sign of madness.
01:54 wizzyrea madness.
01:53 wizzyrea WHAT
01:53 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.8°C (7:51 PM CST on January 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
01:53 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
01:53 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
01:53 eythian @wunder wh1081
01:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@djfiander @chawnerb @kgs mostly true, except the ones who have commits in #kohails anyway :)"