Time Nick Message 01:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@djfiander @chawnerb @kgs mostly true, except the ones who have commits in #kohails anyway :)" 01:53 eythian @wunder wh1081 01:53 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 01:53 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks 01:53 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.8°C (7:51 PM CST on January 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 01:53 wizzyrea WHAT 01:54 wizzyrea madness. 01:54 wahanui madness is manyfold - ask me for the second sign of madness. 02:11 wizzyrea second sign of madness? 02:11 wahanui second sign of madness is, like, hairs on the palms of my hands 02:11 * wizzyrea nods 02:54 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington-central/8236773/Hobbit-artist-captures-Mt-Vic-moonrise 02:57 rangi talljoy++ 03:15 eythian wahanui: spell gud is <reply>Possible spellings for gud: Gd bud cud dud IUD mud gad god gum gun Gus gut guy 04:20 eythian so there's biblio.notes and biblioitems.notes. Are they actually both used ever? 04:50 mtj eythian, yes… i think both are mapped to a marc framework subfield 04:54 mtj hmm, im wrong - only biblio.notes is mapped, to 500a 04:54 mtj marc 500a 04:55 mtj @marc 500 a 04:55 huginn mtj: General note 04:56 mtj … and item.itemnotes is mapped to 952z, too 06:27 libsysguy anybody else seeing some slowness with gitbz attaches 06:38 libsysguy cait! 06:38 cait good morning libsysguy :) 06:38 libsysguy morning cait 06:38 * magnuse waves 06:39 cait libsysguy: shouldn't you be sleeping? 06:39 cait morning magnuse :) 06:40 libsysguy I should…but I can't 06:40 libsysguy so I'm patching instead 06:40 libsysguy the best code is written late at night 06:40 libsysguy and I need to be delirious to be working in addbiblio.pl 06:40 magnuse hehe 06:41 libsysguy we have a request for a save and contine editing option in addbiblio 06:42 * libsysguy is trying to figure out how to do that :-/ 06:47 cait oh hm 06:47 libsysguy it saves weird 06:54 magnuse and not just because what it saves is MARC? ;-) 06:54 libsysguy heh indeed, it uses CGI::scrolling_list 06:55 libsysguy why can't it just post like a well behaved fuction 07:03 cait yeah it shouldn't use that 07:04 * libsysguy is not touching that 07:29 rangi any instances of that need to die, there is a bug for it, but id do it as a separate patch 07:29 rangi evening 07:31 cait evening 07:34 magnuse evening rangi 07:35 rangi hey magnuse 07:35 wahanui rumour has it magnuse is a Norwegian giant 07:36 magnuse moahaha 07:36 libsysguy is that the Norwegian belly laugh 07:37 magnuse yup 07:37 libsysguy libsysguy 07:37 wahanui it has been said that libsysguy is dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets 07:37 magnuse or the james bond evil villain laugh 07:37 libsysguy hah 07:37 libsysguy libsysguy? 07:37 wahanui you are dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets 07:37 libsysguy argh who changed mine 07:39 magnuse @wunder Karasjok 07:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Karasjok, Norway is -12.2°C (8:37 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Rising). 07:40 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.6°C (8:35 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 07:40 cait aah 07:40 cait nice 07:40 cait ok :) bbl! 07:40 * Oak waves 07:40 magnuse karasjok is 26 degrees less cold than yesterday :-) 07:40 magnuse Oak 07:40 Oak magnuse 07:40 magnuse :-) 07:41 Oak :) 07:41 magnuse @wunder boo 07:41 cait hi Oak :) 07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Grains. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady). 07:41 libsysguy w00t 2 patches submitted in an hour 07:41 Oak Guten morgen cait 07:41 magnuse libsysguy++ 07:41 Oak libsysguy++ 07:42 libsysguy I feel like its been awhile since I've submitted good code 07:42 libsysguy and for that I am truely sorry 07:42 magnuse libsysguy: round off with two signoffs to make it a perfect day :-) 07:42 libsysguy something about the dead of night with no distractions 07:42 libsysguy heh 07:42 rangi :) 07:42 libsysguy I can do some QAA 07:42 libsysguy we probably need that more than SO 07:42 rangi yeah thats backed up a bit 07:43 libsysguy yeah, typically the only time I really get to do it is friday 07:43 libsysguy bag is nice enough to let me have a community day :D 07:43 magnuse bag++ 07:44 magnuse rangi: more food related traffic news from norway: here's 35 tons of cod liver oil blocking the road http://www.an.no/nyheter/article6467382.ece ;-) 07:44 rangi lol 07:51 reiveune hello 07:52 magnuse bonjour reiveune and khall 07:53 reiveune hi :) 08:04 libsysguy I think khall just bounced 08:04 libsysguy its 3 am his time 08:04 libsysguy heck its 2 am my time 08:22 gaetan_B hello 08:24 kf back :) 08:29 kf and now it's deadly silent in here? :) 08:29 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:29 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.9°C (9:25 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 08:32 magnuse kf: yeah we decided to try and freak you out by prending we are not here 08:34 * kf is totally freaked out 08:40 magnuse mohahaha 08:42 drojf goof morning 08:42 drojf err 08:42 drojf good 08:42 kf morning drojf 08:43 drojf we'll see about the goof part :D 08:43 drojf hi kf 08:43 magnuse goofy morning, drojf! 08:43 drojf lol. hey magnuse 08:44 kf goofy morning is fine for me :) 08:44 kf can we have a cookie battle? 08:44 drojf is that a battle with cookies, or for cookies? 08:44 kf hm 08:44 kf with 08:45 kf although I would prefer if you did not throw your gluten free ones in my direction but normal cookies :P 08:45 drojf gluten free is harder, i'll win :D 08:45 gaetan_B in 3.8 leaving the search field blank in the patrons module and validating the form used to return the complete list of borrowers, in 3.10 it says "no results found" is it the intended behaviour ?* 08:55 kf1 gaetan_B: I think it's a bug 08:56 kf1 not sure it's filed yet, but we talked about it in irc some evening with liz 08:57 gaetan_B kf: ah yes it' is filed bug 9338 :) 08:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9338 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 'Empty' patron search no longer returns all patrons 08:57 kf oops and it was me 08:57 gaetan_B :) 08:57 kf gaetan_B: you could give it a little nudge maybe 08:57 gaetan_B yep 09:01 magnuse kf++ for filing bugs in her sleep :-) 09:02 kf um thx? 09:04 magnuse :-) 09:10 gerundio good morning 09:12 kf morning gerundio 09:14 gerundio kf :) 09:25 kf magnuse++ 09:25 drojf there wouldn't be some kind of graphic representation available of what koha xslt files do with the controlfields? i'm mainly looking into 008 at the moment but other fields may follow 09:26 magnuse not that i know of 09:26 * drojf kicks MARC gently in the balls 09:26 kf graphic? 09:26 libsysguy only gently 09:26 kf lol 09:26 kf libsysguy: go to bed! 09:26 libsysguy I'm trying to catch you for QA 09:26 * magnuse shouts #marcmustdie at the top of his lungs 09:26 libsysguy but I do need to sleep soon 09:27 drojf kf: well, i don't know. something that is less painful than searching through all the weird constraints in the file :D 09:27 drojf i hate that field 09:27 kf drojf: you will be happy to know that result list and detail pages work differently 09:27 drojf also i wonder why there is one staff client xslt that uses like 10 subfields and the others use only 008/21 09:28 kf yep exactly that 09:28 drojf yeah i know, it's cool, right??? 09:28 drojf :P 09:28 kf the code needs... lots of .... 09:28 libsysguy okay I'm at 10 for th emonth 09:28 drojf recycle bin? 09:28 drojf :D 09:28 libsysguy I think that means I can finish for tongiht 09:28 libsysguy gnight all 09:28 drojf good night libsysguy 09:30 kf drojf: yeah 09:30 magnuse and there is tons of copy-and-paste between the xslt files... 09:31 kf drojf: I had a complaint of one of our libraries for the wrong symbol showing... I tried but got so confused I ran out screaming 09:31 kf drojf: what woudl be cool would be to make it an include 09:31 kf like utils 09:31 kf we would still need 2 files, but there is no point in having all the code in there I think 09:31 kf and we coudl use the same for results and detail 09:32 magnuse includes++ 09:33 magnuse xslt-- 09:33 magnuse ;-) 09:34 kf xslt++ 09:34 kf I like it 09:34 kf it's like with zebra 09:35 kf not its fault when we don't use it in a smart way 09:36 drojf there is a smart way to use zebra? :D 09:38 kf jcamins is on vacation, but he could tell you :) 09:38 drojf meh. so we got >0°. and to celebrate that, we got rain 09:38 kf I think most of our problems stem from Search.pm 09:38 kf drojf: lol 09:38 magnuse @karma C4::Search 09:38 huginn magnuse: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 32 times for a total karma of -32. 09:39 drojf @karma Search.pm 09:39 huginn drojf: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. 09:39 magnuse hehe, i think people tend to agree with you, kf 09:39 kf @karma Search.pm 09:39 huginn kf: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. 09:39 kf ah riht, you did that :) 09:41 drojf lol 09:54 drojf hm. SRU works fine, unfortunately i am too stupid to read the data with javascript/jquery :( 09:56 magnuse process marcxml with javascript? sounds scary... ;-) 09:57 drojf i would probably take dublin core ;) 09:59 kf drojf: what are you trying to do? 09:59 kf morning paul_p 09:59 kf paul_p: my train tickets to marseille arrived :) 10:02 paul_p hello kf. 10:02 paul_p nice about tickets to marseille ;-) 10:02 * paul_p still recovering from flu. one full week AFK... 10:03 kf oh no 10:03 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Update subfield 995$b / item's homebranch" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/372 10:04 gerundio I'm using that code snippet in a script to update subfield 995$b / item's homebranc 10:04 gerundio can anyone take a look and find out why it isn't working as expected? 10:05 kf gerundio: what does it do? 10:05 kf or not do :) 10:05 kf I think you want to update all items to have complete information? 10:05 gerundio it should update 995$b to the value FCT 10:06 gerundio for the records from the items table that don't have the homebranch as NULL 10:06 kf ew 10:06 kf word decided to open links in ie suddenly 10:06 kf *shudder* 10:06 gerundio 995$b is mapped to that column 10:07 gerundio ..oo(gotta love all that messed up MS integration!!) 10:07 magnuse gerundio: how *is* it working? what is it doing that you did not expect? 10:07 gerundio magnuse, it isn't doing anything 10:07 gerundio all records fall into the 1st condition 10:07 magnuse oops :-= 10:07 gerundio none of them as the 995 tag 10:07 magnuse huh :-) 10:08 gerundio so if (!$field) returns true 10:08 kf hm 10:08 kf maybe it that is true? 10:08 kf I think we only put item information to the marcxml for indexing? 10:08 gerundio as it shoudl 10:08 gerundio should ^^ 10:08 kf maybe instead of using the bilbio functions you could look into items? 10:08 magnuse good point from kf 10:08 kf I mean there shoudl be routines to update item related information 10:09 gerundio but the parent field doesn't even exist in this case 10:09 gerundio I made code for all the conditions I remembered 10:09 kf not sure your script will make it go to zebraqueue too 10:09 gerundio 1 -> tag doesn't exist 10:09 kf gerundio: in the database there is no 995 in marcxml 10:09 kf never 10:10 gerundio 2 -> tag 995 exists, subfield b doesn't 10:10 gerundio 3-> subfield 995$b already exists 10:10 gerundio right, it saves as 999 10:10 gerundio is that it? 10:10 kf hm not even that 10:10 wahanui not even that is cold :) 10:10 kf that is marc_subfields_xml 10:10 kf that is only the additional fields 10:10 kf not sure I can explain that right 10:10 gerundio you mean items' more_subfields_xml 10:11 kf yep 10:11 kf there it's 999 10:11 kf but that's nothing to do with the marcxml later on 10:12 gerundio not sure I understand 10:12 gerundio what is the correct way to update this 10:13 gerundio regarding your comment on zebraqueue, by using ModBiblio I'm making sure that it will updated there, right? 10:14 kf gerundio: I am sorry, I have never written or used a script like that - I am not sure 10:14 kf for item information it might be enough to update the items table with sql and do a complete reindex 10:14 gerundio kf, thanks anyway :) 10:14 kf because items are not stored together with the bibliographic information 10:14 gerundio kf, that's what I'm avoiding 10:14 gerundio no direct SQL injection 10:15 gerundio by using Koha library methods I'm sure not to break indexes 10:19 magnuse i agree with kf - i think the only place you can edit the item info is in the db 10:20 gerundio magnuse, I've done it before in other scripts 10:20 gerundio though this is the 1st time I have to add a full field 10:21 magnuse maybe have a look at C4::Items::ModItem() ? 10:24 gerundio I have 10:25 gerundio but the field doesn't even exist in this case 10:25 gerundio I need to update 995$b but there's no 995 tag 10:25 kf if there is no 995 there is no item 10:26 kf that's what we are trying to tell you :) 10:27 gerundio that's why I add it with 10:27 gerundio $field = MARC::Field->new( 10:27 gerundio '995', '', '', 10:27 gerundio 'b' => 'FCT' 10:27 gerundio ); 10:27 gerundio $record->insert_fields_ordered($field); 10:27 gerundio wait the item record exists 10:27 gerundio so, there is a item 10:28 kf why would you add the field? when there is no titem? 10:28 kf I think that is not right 10:28 kf a 995 indicates an item and I think you only want to update incomplete item records? 10:29 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "MySQL item record with no 995$b nor homebranch set" (57 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/373 10:30 gerundio kf, take a look at that MySQL item record 10:30 gerundio no 995$b in more_subfields_xml and homebranch is NULL 10:30 kf gerundio: I think there is a basic misunderstanding how koha works 10:30 gerundio since they are mapped to each other I wan't to set it 10:31 kf yes, you should have homebranch and holdingbranch set 10:31 kf forget about more_subfields_xml 10:31 kf item data in koha is stored in the items table. 10:31 kf for indexing, koha takes the contents of the items table and adds it to the marcxml record. for each line in items, there is one 995 field. 10:31 gerundio unless we're dealing with unmapped fields, right? 10:32 kf mappings are irrelevant 10:36 gerundio so, replacing all that code for something like ModItem({'homebranch' => 'FCT'}, $biblionumber, $itemnumber); should be enough? 10:39 skk i am trying to set UniqueItemfields as barcode but it does not seem to work. I tried adding one accession number and then ordering new book and giving same accession number system does not give any message but keeps that item as blank 10:39 skk without any barvode 10:39 gerundio kf++ magnuse++ ModItem({'homebranch' => 'FCT'}, $biblionumber, $itemnumber); did the trick 10:41 kf skk: which version are you looking at? 10:41 kf gerundio: sorry, at work, can't always pay attention here 10:42 gerundio kf, no problem, that's IRC ;) you were of great help 10:42 drojf wow, jquery sucks. i found like 10 solutions for a problem and each stopped working in a later version. 10:42 kf ah and yes, for unmapped fields that have not their own column in the items table they end up in more_subfields_xml 10:42 kf bad at explaining probably :) 10:47 gerundio drojf, it's evolution 10:48 drojf gerundio: it's only evolution if it works now 10:48 drojf so far i don't see how 10:48 gerundio ehehe 10:49 gerundio just making a Pearl Jam song quote that fits the situation 10:49 gerundio what are you trying to do, maybe I or someone else here can help 10:50 drojf parse xml that i get from SRU. apparently it does not like namespace prefixes 10:51 drojf anyway, to the library. later. /o/ 10:51 gerundio cya later, good luck with that 10:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "BibLibre & "Libraries without Borders" NPO = http://t.co/ZDjXKsyZ, setup & hosting of #kohails" 10:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "BibLibre & Bibliothèque Sans Frontières = http://t.co/ZDjXKsyZ, mise en place de #kohails" 11:03 skk 3.8.6 11:05 kf hm I think there was a bug with that, but not sure which version 11:05 kf skk: maybe try checking bugzilla? 11:05 kf bugs? 11:05 wahanui well, bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. 11:06 skk hmm 8684 number has reported this issue 11:07 kf bug 8684 11:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8684 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken 11:07 * kf has a de ja vu 11:07 kf oh right, I reported that 11:08 kf skk: you could add your version and the behavioru there - it could help getting it fixed 11:29 kf biblibre++ 11:36 magnuse yup biblibre++ 12:02 tcohen morrrning #koha 12:20 drojf ready or not, here i come 12:22 gerundio kf do you recall telling me that I should always run the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script after making changes in the Koha to MARC mapping? 13:23 oleonard Hi #koha 13:30 drojf hi oleonard 13:31 * drojf wonders if it is fullmoon or why all the patrons talk all the time today 13:31 drojf get off my librarylawn 14:04 drojf who of you geeks smuggled 'comic books' into 008/33:literary form for books? LOC does not have that field ;) 14:05 magnuse drojf: "git blame" will tell you :-) 14:06 drojf it may have been in an older MARC version. i found several differences between LOC and kohas XSLT file 14:09 jcamins_away drojf: it was obsoleted in 2008. 14:10 * chris_n tells jcamins_away to get back to vacation ;-) 14:10 drojf thanks for ending your holiday early to tell me this, jcamins_away. it was not that important though ;) 14:13 magnuse lol 14:15 drojf so what is our policay on MARC changes? should that in theory be up to date or do we want to retain backwards compatibility for people that catalogued their comic books pre-2008? 14:17 gerundio anyone here is familiarized with the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script? 14:18 gerundio I've done Koha to MARC mapping for some items' table columns 14:19 gerundio but running the script doesn't update the items' columns values with the values stored in the XML 14:20 gerundio I've looked into the script source code and noticed that the localNEWmodbiblio function calls C4::Biblio::_koha_modify_biblio and C4::Biblio::_koha_modify_biblioitem_nonmarc 14:20 gerundio but nothing to work the updates on the data stored in the items table 14:23 gerundio the source code has some references to @items, which are processed for each biblio 14:24 gerundio but I don't see them being used anywhere 14:24 liw any Koha people going to FOSDEM? 14:45 magnuse liw: not i. are you? 14:46 liw I am 14:46 magnuse yay 14:47 magnuse been there before? 14:47 liw a few times 14:47 liw (including giving one of the keynotes last year) 14:47 magnuse cool! 14:52 H Hey Koha ... almost there i asked to copy our koha to the production environment and afther that it will be online (test server has all the data in it now (it was a fight)) ... thx already to all tips we got in the chat room :) 14:53 drojf congratulations H 14:53 H well copy'ing can go wrong so i hope it wont ;) 14:53 magnuse H++ 15:09 oleonard jcamins_away: Do we have a template variable for just "/intranet-tmpl/" or do we hard code it? 15:10 jcamins_away oleonard: good question! 15:10 oleonard Hm, looks like maybe "interface?" 15:10 jcamins_away [% interface %] 15:10 * oleonard is looking at Templates.pm 15:10 jcamins_away Yeah. 15:22 oleonard I guess I didn't realize we were ready to start moving things to intranet-tmpl/lib. There's a fair amount of stuff that can be easily moved 15:23 libsysguy that should make it easier to be cached right? 15:23 jcamins_away libsysguy: weren't you just QAing things six hours ago? 15:23 libsysguy yes 15:23 libsysguy I was 15:23 jcamins_away oleonard: well, moving things that are already in prog/en can wait, but since it has to be done eventually, we might as well start with Bootstrap in the right place. 15:24 oleonard jcamins_away: can wait, or should wait? 15:25 jcamins_away oleonard: the former. If someone felt like starting to move things, that'd be great. 15:26 libsysguy ^^ 15:28 oleonard Speaking of Bootstrap, QAing, etc: Now is a great time to remember Bug 9265! 15:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client 15:36 gerundio am I reading correctly, is Koha going to adopt Bootstrap soon? 15:37 oleonard gerundio: We are beginning to incorporate elements of Bootstrap 15:37 gerundio cool 15:38 gerundio I've been using it in a new internal project and I must say it's so good to be able to abstract myself from the look & feel of it 15:38 gerundio everything looks good in desktop, laptops, mobiles and tablets 15:40 oleonard gerundio: We don't have any plans at this point to convert the staff client to use the Bootstrap grid 15:40 oleonard gerundio: That would be a pretty huge undertaking 15:41 gerundio have you simply try to use bootstrap CSS to overide koha's current styles and see how it looked? 15:41 oleonard Yes. There are a fair amount of conflicts, and of course the grid system doesn't work without HTML changes. 15:42 oleonard I say conflicts meaning styles we have defined which Bootstrap defines differently. 15:43 gerundio that's standard behavior, bootstrap uses very common class names 15:43 gerundio so conflicts are to be expected 15:43 gerundio but the overall result is very messy? 15:44 oleonard Yes 15:46 skk we imported lot of data from excel to marc 21 and then to koha. when we try to check authority records it says no results. is there any way to get these records searched by authority database as well 15:46 jcamins_away No. Authority records and bibliographic records are completely different things. 15:47 jcamins_away You would need to create authority records and load those. 15:48 skk for new books it automatically creates authority records but the old retrospective data which is already imported into koha we were wondering hw to make them available in authority database as well 15:49 jcamins_away You would need to generate authorities from the CSV file. 15:55 oleonard Hi kf 15:57 kf hi oleonard :) 15:57 kf going through the release notes for 3.8 and 3.10 15:57 kf totally overwhelmed 15:58 kf we keep changing so many thigns!! 15:58 magnuse that's good, right? 15:58 kf hehe yeah 15:58 kf but right now I just think what I have to go though in testing and documenting 15:58 kf and that's pretty overwhelming :) 15:59 magnuse write test scripts! 15:59 magnuse and don't lag behind the versions ;-) 15:59 kf :P 15:59 magnuse i just say "here are the release notes"... 16:00 kf :) 16:12 gerundio kf do you recall telling me that I should always run the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script after making changes in the Koha to MARC mapping? 16:31 kf gerundio: I think that only applies if you do changes on biblioitems/biblio 16:31 gerundio right 16:31 kf I have never run it myself I have to say 16:32 gerundio even so, do you feel capable of helping me figure out how to enable the script to update items records too? 16:32 kf gerundio: I think youmight better ask someone else 16:33 kf I have never poked around in that code so far 16:33 gerundio kf, np, thanks anyway :) 16:33 gerundio just got a new one in :s 16:34 gerundio does field bibliosubject.subject mean anything to anyone? 16:35 oleonard gerundio: I don't think bibliosubject is used anymore 16:36 gerundio right oleonard, I found no traces of it anywhere 16:37 gerundio even so in the MARC framework editor, field 606$a was showing a reference to it 16:39 gerundio oleonard, the mistery just got solved 16:40 gerundio someone imported MARC frameworks from a 3.2 koha setup into our own 3.8 setup to use as starting point 16:40 gerundio everyday a new surprise :s 16:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "thanx to pierre, who translated http://t.co/2Q8KBam8 #kohails" 16:50 kf bye all :) 16:57 gerundio off-topic: for the Raspberry PI owners out there - http://xbmc.org/natethomas/2013/01/29/xbmc-12-0-frodo/ 17:04 rambutan gerundio: there are actually a few of us RPi owners on the board here. I've got two, my tech assistant has 1 or 2, and drojf works with them too 17:05 gerundio we've talked about it the other day 17:05 drojf rambutan: jcamins_away and magnus_away got some too :) 17:05 gerundio I think it was when drojf got his 17:06 gerundio btw, just read that Google gave a grath worth $1M to donate 15k PIs to U.K. schoolkids 17:06 gerundio http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3158 17:10 drojf that would make a cool cluster 17:15 libsysguy dang it 17:15 libsysguy I was just about to link paul_p to this: http://i.imgur.com/k4zJ43F.jpg 17:16 libsysguy @later tell paul_p: http://i.imgur.com/k4zJ43F.jpg 17:16 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded. 17:18 oleonard I think Germany if the caption is correct: http://washingtonpoststyle.tumblr.com/post/3072478548/princess-yvonne-and-prince-alexander-of 17:19 oleonard More unsourced notes: http://catacombes.tumblr.com/post/34289215095 17:20 libsysguy damn you and your searching skills oleonard 17:27 liw we have not come to damn searching skills, we have come to praise them. /me nominates oleonard as the #koha dedicated search engine 17:27 oleonard :P 17:28 oleonard I'll commit only to searching for the details of any unsourced images referencing French stereotypes 17:28 reiveune bye 17:28 * libsysguy accepts oleonards proposal 17:31 Dyrcona Reminds me of my childhood in Hillbillyvania. 17:31 Dyrcona Minus the royal title.... ;) 17:31 oleonard Replace that bottle with a 2-liter of Mountain Dew? 17:32 Dyrcona No, a quart of Pabtz Blue Ribbon. 17:32 oleonard That comes in quarts? :) 17:32 alohabot Hi mib_e0nfj0, Welcome to #koha. 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If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 17:32 rambutan new bot? 17:33 oleonard Nice enhancement to alohabot 17:33 oleonard Old bot that didn't do anything before I don't think 17:33 Dyrcona It used to. 17:36 mib_e0nfj0 hi, i got a problem with koha mapping, it says "The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield" in the test,but if i continue using the default settings and using Koha version: 3.08.06.000, i can do any searches :S any sugestions? 17:36 mib_e0nfj0 cant* 17:45 mib_e0nfj0 any1? 18:03 tcohen how do I search for a title using yaz? 18:04 tcohen (a Koha's zebra biblio DB) 18:12 jcamins_away I have found the place to buy Bok Choy! :D 18:12 jcamins_away tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server 18:12 cait bok choy? 18:12 jcamins_away tcohen: sorry, wrong link. 18:12 cait in california? :) 18:12 jcamins_away I meant... 18:12 tcohen ah, you're on vacation! 18:12 jcamins_away tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing 18:13 cait and you are on vacation!! 18:13 jcamins_away cait: in New York. 18:13 cait oh? 18:13 jcamins_away But I had the desperate need to find out where to buy bok choi! 18:13 jcamins_away And once I had found out, I thought y'all might need to know that. 18:14 cait you are getting thta bored already? :) 18:14 jcamins_away I had an inspiration about what I wanted to serve for dinner on February 23. 18:14 druthb @quote get 232 18:14 huginn druthb: Quote #232: "<cait> oh... i miss myshkin <cait> I mean jared.. of course" (added by druthb at 06:31 PM, January 28, 2013) 18:15 * cait hides 18:15 * druthb whistles innocently 18:15 jcamins_away lol 18:29 rangi Morning 18:29 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:31 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:31 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on January 30, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 18:32 rangi Hehe, there's not a single cloud anywhere 18:33 rangi 5th day in a row, I don't have a wardrobe designed for this kind of weather 18:38 cait you don't have more than 5 t-shirts? :) 18:40 rangi I have about 50 18:40 rangi It's shorts I'm low on 18:40 cait aah 18:41 rangi Ok my stop 18:41 rangi Be back after wellylibfast 18:52 alohabot Hi mib_bz9hrr, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 18:53 mib_bz9hrr hi, im looking for help on error from marc mapping 19:02 alohabot Hi mib_y9ooho, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 19:02 mib_y9ooho hi looking for help on mapping errors 19:02 mib_y9ooho (got dc'ed a few minutes ago) 19:03 oleonard You can ask again mib_y9ooho, but I don't know if anyone new has appeared who can answer 19:03 mib_y9ooho humm ok 19:05 mib_y9ooho i get this error in the test "The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield," after changing the the biblionumber to 001 , if i leave it to default i dont get error but i cant find anything in my DB 19:06 oleonard Why did you change it? 19:06 mib_y9ooho so, if left at default i cant search, im using Koha 3.08.06.000 19:06 mib_y9ooho cause ^ 19:07 oleonard Koha to MARC mapping is not usually the cause of failed search 19:07 oleonard search faq? 19:07 wahanui search faq is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 19:07 mib_y9ooho im importing the DB from DocBase btw 19:09 cait mib_y9ooho: don't change it 19:09 oleonard mib_y9ooho: I would leave your mapping as it was by default and check out the search faq 19:09 mib_y9ooho only thing i changed was this "biblionumber 001 @ control field" so i could search for books, im looking ate the faq 19:09 oleonard 33000000072326 19:09 oleonard Heh, sorry :) 19:11 mib_y9ooho ok so i read the FAQ and didnt really help fix my problem, lets say i got everything at default, i still cant search for my books ... :/ 19:12 oleonard mib_y9ooho: Zebra is running? 19:14 mib_y9ooho good question -.- im just conf. koha i didnt install it, im a student from my university and they made me config and ready koha for the library, but i didnt get to install or do any of the things before, is there any way i can check? 19:15 oleonard Do you have command-line access to the server? 19:16 mib_y9ooho erhmm nop -.- idk how they really want me to work, but if u can tell what to do ill just get them to do it 19:16 alohabot Hi mib_pueqov, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 19:16 mib_y9ooho even if its just a little help its better then sitting in the dark :S 19:17 mib_y9ooho this command? misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v 19:18 oleonard mib_y9ooho: That rebuilds the Zebra index if Zebra is already running 19:18 oleonard mib_y9ooho: The people who installed Koha should come back and confirm that it is installed correctly and that Zebra is running 19:18 mib_y9ooho humm ok 19:18 mib_y9ooho thanks 19:19 oleonard They built you a car with no engine mib_y9ooho :) 19:20 mib_y9ooho yeah and they making me fix it for free -.- 19:22 mib_y9ooho well thanks for been so friendly and helpfull :) ima work on a diferent part of koha till they come back tomorrow 19:27 cait oleonard++ :) 19:45 oleonard Bug 8007 introduces a python dependency. That seems odd. 19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Discharge management 19:46 cait h 19:46 cait oh 19:47 cait oleonard: also peopl eare supposed to create a htaccess file? 19:47 oleonard Yeah 19:47 cait oleonard: not sur ethat the python-pisa is new tho 19:47 cait I think one of the print things uses it already 19:49 cait oleonard: but I agree it seems a bit weird 19:49 cait should be possible to replace with a perl module? 19:54 * cait goe to tidy up her kitchen 20:19 rangi back 20:27 jcamins_away [off] What not to do when making a library website: http://rivlib.info/palm-desert-library/ 20:28 rangi heh 20:29 cait [off] hmm, wonder what it is made with 20:29 jcamins_away [off] Also, Polaris _sucks_. 20:29 wizzyrea that's drupal 20:30 jcamins_away [off] Other than a complete lack of awareness that people go to a library website when they want to use the catalog? 20:30 rangi [off] yeah it gets awesome ranking .. i wonder if thats honeymoon period 20:31 jcamins_away [off] http://inland.librarycatalog.info/ <-- wtf? 20:31 chris_n [off] jcamins_away just can't stay away from library foo in spite of being on vacation :-) 20:31 jcamins_away [off] I wanted to know if they had a book! 20:31 rangi heh 20:32 wizzyrea uh 20:32 cait jcamins_away: guess you got drawn here because i am going to look at the query parser again :) 20:32 eythian hi 20:32 jcamins_away Yay! 20:32 jcamins_away I'll be leaving shortly. 20:32 eythian why thank you jcamins_away 20:34 jcamins_away Argh! I can't use this stupid catalog. 20:37 jcamins_away Maybe I'll see if they have a copy of American Gods. 20:37 jcamins_away I've never read it. 20:37 rangi ahh its a good read 20:37 jcamins_away Thankfully it's fiction so the fact that I can't tell based on the catalog doesn't matter. 20:37 rangi heh 20:39 eythian yeah, you should read it, it's good. 20:40 * jcamins_away would look to see if they had other books he wanted to read, except the catalog wouldn't help anyway. 20:42 cait jcamins_away: you could try to persuade them to move to koha :) 20:42 jcamins_away cait: hehe. 20:51 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha et "Bibliothèques Sans Frontières" http://t.co/Tr11TzO2" 20:57 drojf [off] isn't that this 'charity' with the bad reputation? 20:58 jcamins_away [off] No, you're thinking of Libraries without borders, which is Canadian. 20:59 oleonard [off] What is the bad reputation for? 20:59 wizzyrea oh hey oleonard 20:59 wizzyrea thanks for looking and doing that bootstrap stuff 21:00 wizzyrea our student is going to be coming back on mondays (I think) to do more 21:00 wizzyrea work - what do you think is the best way to go about that? 21:00 cjh oleonard++ 21:00 wizzyrea so you're not duplicating effort 21:01 cait oleonard: is there something we can help with? I would really like to see bootstrap in 3.12 21:01 cait [off] got a mail today about the accessibility issues with the current menus and buttons :( 21:01 cjh \o/ 21:01 cait I think I will change the templates for now - make it links 21:02 cait and hope for the next version to fix it for good 21:02 cait :) 21:02 rangi [off] oleonard it seems to be a front for lexis nexis 21:03 oleonard wizzyrea: The next thing I want to start tackling is replacing YUI buttons, split buttons, and menu buttons. I think that means taking it on toolbar-by-toolbar basis 21:03 rangi [off] the canadian one anyway 21:03 wizzyrea would it be helpful if corey kind of eradicated the yui, then you can go through and style it? 21:03 jcamins_away [off] I didn't even know that. I dislike them because they sent out a plea for help, and then when I offered to make arrangements to have exactly what they asked for done, they suddenly vanished off the face of the earth, and when I followed up they said "thank you very much, but we've basically decided we're not doing any charitable work." 21:04 rangi theres librarians without borders too 21:04 eythian oleonard: is it possible to make T::T modules for buttons, so the actual definitions are centralised? 21:04 cait oleonard: could you start in circulation maybe? 21:04 rangi its all very confusing :) 21:04 eythian rangi: wouldn't they just collapse in a jelly-like heap on the ground? 21:04 cait eythian: ? 21:04 rangi eythian: only when confronted by a publishers unreasonable demands, that seems to be the natural response 21:04 eythian if you remove the borders from a librarian, there's nothing to keep them in a people-shape. 21:05 jcamins_away lol 21:05 cait i was referring to the TT stuff :) 21:05 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm not sure what you mean by eradicating YUI... I think the only way we can do it is to do it piece by piece so nothing is broken 21:05 drojf [off] i sent them an email a while back and wanted to know what library systems they were going to use to set up libraries with the money people donate. they took weeks to answer and said "we can't say generally, without knowing which project you mean". i did not answer since it sounded as if they did not want to be asked anything 21:05 wizzyrea I mean, page by page, swap out the YUI for bootstrap standard buttons 21:06 wizzyrea then, much like what happened with the toolbar, clean it up and style it like koha? maybe that's not practical 21:06 eythian cait: oh, so instead of putting the HTML in for a button, you could just refer to a T::T module that does it for you. That way all buttons share common code. 21:07 oleonard wizzyrea: Yeah, I don't have any specific plan to do custom styles on the buttons at this point, just trying to get things working in Bootstrap 21:07 eythian So when we want to move to jquery-ng buttons 5 years from now, there's only one place to worry about. 21:07 cait I am not sure how bootstrap buttons work and if we win a lot with it 21:07 cait we got includes for the toolbars now and the styling is central anyway 21:07 cjh eythian: awesome idea, that way we can easily rip out bootstrap and replace with something else 21:07 cait ah 21:07 cait i see 21:07 cjh bootstrap buttons are really just css classes and ids 21:07 eythian cait: sure, but every button still has to have its code written. 21:08 cait hm if it's doable 21:08 cait don't want to overcomplicate this if possible 21:08 oleonard wizzyrea: My next step is to revive some code I did a couple months ago on a Bootstrap toolbar. Needs some heavy rebasing 21:09 wizzyrea oleonard: we can do it however makes sense 21:09 wizzyrea we just want corey to feel helpful 21:09 jcamins_away And to make good use of his time. 21:10 oleonard wizzyrea: There are a lot of examples of toolbars which aren't used on a lot of pages which could be quickly "upgraded" 21:10 oleonard wizzyrea: When will Corey return? 21:10 wizzyrea then maybe a better plan would be to declare what toolbars we are going to do 21:11 wizzyrea he's working out when he can come to Catalyst - his school term just started 21:12 wizzyrea he has afternoon study period at 2pm our time on MOndays 21:12 cjh it sounded like he may still do some work at home, but no idea on times for that. 21:12 wizzyrea and he may come in for several hours during that 21:12 wizzyrea and if we can get him set up properly, he can do work at home too if he wants 21:13 wizzyrea he's pretty enthusiastic about the project 21:13 wizzyrea :) 21:13 cjh xD 21:14 cait well done cjh++ and wizzyrea++ :) 21:16 * oleonard is not working at his normal location today and laptop is being difficult 21:17 wizzyrea gr, stinky laptop 21:18 libsysguy grr zebra indexer 21:18 libsysguy sorry, is that not what we were doing? 21:18 wizzyrea hehe 21:19 libsysguy I have a library that is running dom, and for some reason they can periodically search for barcodes 21:19 libsysguy I think there might be an issue with the fast indexer and dom 21:19 libsysguy when I do a full index it works fine 21:20 jcamins_away Fast indexer = rebuild_zebra -z? 21:20 libsysguy si 21:21 libsysguy maybe not 21:21 libsysguy it seems that to get the fast indexer to work with the barcode you must pass the -x option 21:22 jcamins_away You should never not be using the -x option. 21:22 cait libsysguy: which version are they using? 21:22 libsysguy 3.8.5 21:22 wizzyrea jcamins_away: is that documented? 21:22 jcamins_away wizzyrea: probably not. 21:23 jcamins_away Also, DOM indexing was known not to work properly prior to 3.8.7. 21:23 jcamins_away See the 3.8.7 release notes. 21:31 eythian http://imgur.com/AonBGUj 21:33 libsysguy reddit ^^ ? 21:35 wizzyrea I had that edition, with that pic 21:37 cait lol 21:52 drojf looks like my spontanous idea to make SRU output JSON is doomed to failure. 21:53 wizzyrea haha they named the winter storm that is about to hit Kansas "Magnus" 21:57 oleonard We're naming winter storms now? 21:57 oleonard When is it due to hit wizzyrea? 21:58 eythian hopefully it doesn't hit wizzyrea 21:58 wizzyrea I think it's hitting now 21:59 wizzyrea or imminently 21:59 oleonard @wunder 45701 21:59 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 20.6°C (4:31 PM EST on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 21:59 wizzyrea yes, if it hits me, then climate change has gotten way out of control. 21:59 oleonard ...and snow predicted here for Thursday 22:00 oleonard Climate change is already way out of control, but I take your point wizzyrea 22:00 wizzyrea yes, true. 22:05 cait hi kathryn 22:05 cait and good night #koha 22:08 eythian wahanui: git guide is <reply>http://marklodato.github.com/visual-git-guide/index-en.html 22:08 wahanui OK, eythian. 22:09 wizzyrea good one 22:10 wizzyrea my grandma turns 103 today 22:11 eythian that's a good effort 22:11 wizzyrea indeed! 22:11 cjh oh wow 22:12 wizzyrea well yesterday 22:12 wahanui yesterday is almost over for me, and it's been pretty awful. 22:12 wizzyrea yesterday is also all my troubles seemed so far away 22:12 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 22:12 wizzyrea yesterday? 22:12 wahanui yesterday is probably all your troubles seemed so far away 22:27 libsysguy is the biblibra work for solr still alive? 22:28 libsysguy biblibre** 22:29 rangi its all there in master/3.10.x you can switch it on, but it needs a lot more features added to be comparable with zebra 22:29 libsysguy fair enough 22:29 rangi im waiting for jareds search rewrite to finish, with the much saner/simpler parser 22:29 rangi then ill look at 22:30 rangi solr again 22:30 rangi i guarantee ill still hate it for being a resource hungry pig, but ill look at it anyway :) 22:30 libsysguy heh well you can choke it if you'd like in the mem configs 22:31 bag isn't it a hungry moose and not pig :P 22:31 libsysguy jcamins is hiding his work on his git.cp repo 22:31 wizzyrea moose? 22:31 wahanui somebody said moose was liking dumping every tool in the world into every module 22:32 libsysguy Moose mouse moo 22:32 rangi libsysguy: still have to run a full java stack 22:32 libsysguy true, I wonder if it runes better on Oracles version 22:33 bag runes? 22:33 bag heh 22:33 libsysguy ugh 22:33 libsysguy friggin typos everywhere today 22:33 drojf either you ask the oracle or the runes. don't mix those things 22:34 libsysguy heh 22:35 libsysguy rangi is jcamins query work in the OpenILS-QueryParser branch? 22:35 rangi most of it is on bugs 22:36 libsysguy oh 22:36 libsysguy enteresting 22:38 rangi some even awaiting qa :) 22:39 libsysguy hehe 22:39 libsysguy I was doing some QAA last night 22:39 rangi i know, thanks :) 22:39 libsysguy heh np 22:59 oleonard See ya #koha 23:37 drojf rangi: i'm playing with the svc reports feature, but i wonder how to make it output json. any hints? i tried http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Count_of_all_items_and_broken_down_by_branch and get [["MED","Mediothek","19389"]]. i would have assumed something more like {"homebranch":"MED","branchname":"Mediothek","items":19389}?